The nation or nationalism?
>>537158989genetics>culture>nation>nationalism
>toxo worldgrim
>>537159040how so? How can there be a nation without there initially be the idea of nationalism?
>>537158989I wish I had a pre-prepared image that explained how cat obsession is a psychological disease
Assuming we're using these terms properly where "nation" means ethnic group and "nationalism" means ethnonationalism, the former has to exist first but it doesn't have to be perfectly formed. French nationalism emerged for example when regional identities and languages were still quite strong, and Paris spent a lot of time and effort over the course of the 19th century standardizing that into a unified, monolithic French identity. But this was still building on a solid base of all those peoples nevertheless having an understanding of themselves as French
Nation is an illusion to slop shabis, which means your nation isn't yours because all it does is take things away from you to enrich a tiny warrior klan who has advanced beyond silly ideas of membership to a big club. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_1YJWW0ds4The ranking members of the club you profess to be part of, works quite hard every single day to make sure you do not get to benefit from the resources you make for yourself, and then teleports them away to enrich the Klansmen. The depriving from you, is the purpose of the nation, which is why pledging to such a thing is lunacy and retardation. You don't get any voting rights, you have no representation, so why you are part of this thing that only hurts you so that a handful of bergwitzbaumsteinrothsschild Jews can be Centi-Trillionaires?The USA suffocated to death about 17 years ago,there is no USA. there is no nation, this camaraderie is an illusion to slave you.
>>537158989Christ above all
>>537159235We are on 4chan
>>537158989Why does the lion have a pussy hat? Learn to draw you knob.
>>537158989Allah. Followed by Islam. Followed by the nation. Followed by race. Followed by our human species (against Indian Hindu rape rats and kikeroach parasites).
>>537159261Just from the top of my head, Russia f.ex falsifies the relevancy of ethnicity. Its a multi ethnic shithole with everything from central asian, various caucasian, slavic and north asiatic ethnicities with many having a strong nationalist identity despite being an ethnic potpourri. And that hasnt been only the case post '90 but as well during the USSR, with not just a few hroups in former Soviets that consider themselve rather Russian then whatever they are called today
>>537159235Its AI obviouslyPrompt:"image filled with many confusing details that at forst glance don't seem to fit the theme but are related to the theme by first and third degree.Theme: Cat nation practicing cat nationalism"ideogram 4.0I just like cats because they are silly, dont care, are fundamentally alien in their behavior and still some people like to anthrophormize them
>>537159162how can there be a feeling of love for the nation without having a nation to love?
>>537160516That's the question, does something have to exist materially for the idea to exist, or does the idea have to come first for it to materially come into existence
>>537160730so go back to the first post i made>geneticsfirst you must love your family and your people>culturesecond you must love your customs, your art, and your beliefs>nationyour love of your tribe and its culture brings you together into a group and this group controls a geographic area which it defends from outsiders>nationalismwith the establishment of the nation there is now an organization which represents your people, your culture, and the lands upon which you reside. you stand with your nation because you are a part of it, your family is a part of it, your culture is a part of it, your land is a part of it, and your life is better for having all these things. nationalism can not exist without the prior elements.
>>537159478Land empires are always the most problematic thing to square with this. Sufficiently close people can be assimilated into a cohesive identity over the long term (Spain, France, England) but past a certain level of ethnolinguistic difference it's unbridgeable. In Russia furthermore there's a difference between pyccкий and poccийcкий, with the former being an ethnonym and the latter being a pan-ethnic demonym, even though they both translate as "Russian"
>>537161071So the idea comes first, not the material nation, which means nationalism exists before the nation, and without the idea of nationalism, a nation cannot exist
>>537161189Yes sure, ethnic "Russian" and "THE Russian"Russia post 1920s is hardly an empire, its a nation, and despite the name having been officially "USSR", the identity of a EAst asian in Novosibirsk or a Russ in Don was Russian; where in f.ex the Austro-Hungarian empire a Serb from the vojvodina did not consider himself an Austrian, nor did a Croat or even the Germanics
>>537161202you're being jewish and purposefully misinterpreting what i very obviously laid out
>>537162869No I am not. You state it yourselffirst the relationship between common culture, group and geographical territory have to be established, which is nationalism, the idea of these relationships being meaningful. When these relationships are formed a nation can exist. Without these relationships as being perceived as meaningful, there is no nation, no people willing to sacrifice anything for these relationships to remain
>>537163156>you see goyim, what you said is really what i say you said because i am playing word games
>>537163356the idea has to come first; which is why all the attempts at artificially creating loyality to the "planet" and "globe" as some grifters calling them self "international organization" that wish to govern have not come into existence.An artificially created nation with nationalism that came first, the former cannot exist
>>537163491>*without nationalism that came firstfixed my own shitso the idea not just has to exist a priori, it has to be concidered legit from the bottom up — top down "nationbuilding" is a fools errand
>>537163491>warlord unites tribes under banner>warlord has to create government to manage tribes and lands>people approve of what has happened because their lives have improved>people love being part of warlordia and nationalism for warlordia is createdwallah, now do another disingenuous jewish pilpul line about how people loved warlordia before it existed
>>537163563lol a priori nationalism, tell me more schlomo
>>537163634>strongman is all that is needed>magickally improves "everyones life"lolthose create maybe some pockets of order, hardly a nation. If this was the case, Africa would have the most coherent, strongest and most loyal nations on the planet; it hasnt>>537163665without the idea, all you get is territories filled with mercenaries and opportunist without deeper loyalty that scatter the moment another opportunity arises or the risk to reward turns negative, kind of what is currently happening in Europe, North America and the rest of the "west"
>>537163982>Nationalism: an ideology that elevates one nation or nationality above all others and that places primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations, nationalities, or supranational groupswww.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationalismthe nation can exist without nationalism, nationalism cannot exist without the nation, the nation must come first, enjoy your word games jew
>>537164208That definition comes straight out of an anti-nationalist marxist feather.Congratulations for letting your mask slip.Its not about supremacy, its about loyalty; loyalty to an idea, something a marxist is never going to be able to comprehend
