>>537172190So why are all billionaires satanic then? Does having money not require intelligence?
Dennis Prager once said on the radio that if there was no punishment in the afterlife he could not stop himself from doing horrible things to other people.
atheism is a religion because it makes faith-based claims
>>537172328no
>>537172267You don't need that much intelligence to get rich. All you need is charisma and the ability to scam or exploit people effectively
Actually the supernatural is based
>>537172190Atheists are only against Christianity. They will never protest other religions, especially islam.
>>537172392This is nonsense
look up "Atheism" and "Atheists" from new zealand flags in the archive and witness real mental illness
How many times are you going to make this thread?
>>537172190...and in turn, to own the cringy christ cucks...you stick a banana up your ass, push self mutilation death cults on kids, and worship failure on systemic and genetic levels?That's why Dawkins wants nothing to do with you. Both you and the Abrahamics are wrong but...you're wrong AND gay.Praise SOL. Accept no substitutes. Religon and spiritualism wouldnt be cleanly and evenly distributed throughout every corner of our species as a genetic and psychological trait if it was inherently negative.
>>537172267What even is satanic? The opposite of Christianity? Hindus? Atheists? Both? Satanic is too broad a description. Occult is the word youre looking for.
>>537172190materialism gone freaky
>>537172507I'd like to see you boys go hard against islam as you do against Christianity. Get some stab proof vests though.
>>537172190any proofs?
niggas worse than any christcuck ive ever met
>>537172684I think I used the wrong word, Saturnians
>>537173133Doubt it.
>>537172190Because we atheist are better persons, we aren't racist and homophobic retards, we don't follow outdated books.
This comedian presents an argument for deism that no athiest will ever refute and articulates his position with clarity no athiest could ever achieve, and he does it for laughs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfZOqer5iVA
>>537173459>This comedian presents an argument for deismTheism is just nonsense from Jews to Taoism, utter dribble there is no good evidence for fiction
>>537173459Ill bite. I watched the whole thing just for you anon.>Atheism is just a motorcycle edgelord Not relevant.>Nothing can't be provenYes it can.>It's metaphors and Christians don't actually believe in a magical sky daddySo what's factual about any of it?>When you die nothing happens you merge back into your creatorNo your brain ceases function and processing can no longer occur.I'm here for the next 5 hours please post more.
>>537173624retard, doesn't refute anything>>537173774Most of your points are hitting on comedic elements rather than the crux of the more important argument, so I'll focus on the one refutation that is relevant >nothing can't be provenby definition nothing cannot be observed, because the observer exists and therefore nothing does not exist. If nothing ever did exist there was either an outside force that acted upon it to transform that nothing into everything, or the nothing itself DECIDED to transform. If that nothing is able to decide anything at all that is an indication of conciousness, and a concious being capable of creating the universe is the definition of god.
>>537174003That entire video is comedy. Let's try this though experiment: is a rock conscious because an absurd amount of quantum transformations decay happens inside of it to create and decay into new elements?
>>537174069Is the rock capable of spontaneous creation of matter out of nothing?
>>537174142Yes.
>>537172190karl marx, abraham lincoln and charles darwin shattered conservatives minds and conservatives will never recover for the rest of history.
Atheists are so smart they have to make this same thread every day just to remind themselves
>>537174153>mass decreases with decay>creating matterAre you claiming there is a net gain in atomic mass that results from radioactive decay? Because that's scientific proof that you're stupid.The creation of the universe was a conversion of nothing into the total atomic mass of the universe. Show me a mechanism for that to happen spontaneously. I would even accept a micro version, like a rock transforming into a rock of greater mass would be sufficient
>>537174232No, it's just fun watching you retards cope and seethe.
>>537174340Hold on you just said contradicted yourself. So you agree nothingness is real. Also yes gravity can and does create virtual particle (and anti particles) as discovered by hawking.
>>537174232Christcucks are so cucked to kikes they have to go to church every day just to remind themselves they worship a kike
>>537174340>science?! not good enough, show me a mechanism!just because you're too stupid to understand half-life does not make it fake
>>537174420There is not contradiction, the premise is that nothing is only possible outside of the boundaries of scientific rationality, much like god, and a state that exists outside of scientific rationality AND is capable of creating the entire universe is something pretty fucking close to a general idea of god.Hawking radiation does not represent the net creation of matter because it is particle/anti-particle pairings that balance out to zero.>>537174524Are you claiming radioactive decay represents the creation of new mass while calling me stupid?
>>537174524Do you… do you think radioactive decay is an atom gaining matter?
>>537174590Why would God be outside scientific rationality? If he (truly) existed that's scientific. If he created the universe out of nothing there must be a mechanism by which to do so.
>>537172616>PRAISE SOL>PRAISE SOL>PRAISE SOLand sol be praised, young padawanssolstice will soon be upon us, fellow sol brothersfor some, it will be the longest dayfor others, the longest nightgrace to all, for making it sopraise to sol, for giving us soulpraise to solpraise to sol
>>537172190Not believing in the “supernatural” isn’t an atheistic view, it’s also more correct to call it “paranormal”. Plenty of non-theist currents and individuals believe in the paranormal. And plenty of theists selectively choose to not believe, like certain flavors of christian not believing in “ghosts”
>>537174626Science is just a school of philosophy used to try to understand the material. Just because a thing is un-scientific does not make it impossible or untrue. For example, there is no scientific proof that you love (or hate) your mother. Such proof could not exist because your love cannot be observed and quantified in an objective way. This lack of scientific proof does not mean it is not real.All scientists now agree that the universe has a finite age, it is not infinite or eternal. They also agree that matter cannot be created. If both of those things are true the creation of the universe must have occured but is also impossible. It's a breakdown in causality, and the only cure for broken causality is to find the cause. The rational assumption is therefore that the cause (creator) must exist.
>>537175133Scientist don't agree on that at all. And all scientists agree that the universe did not "start" with the big bang. That it was just a different state.
>>537175133Yeah YHWH is very rational flooding the entire world for his own mistakes and asking for foreskins from babies because he likes mutilating children
>>537175166Show me an accepted modern theory that claims infinite age for the universe or matter creation. If you are unable to produce those theories that means all scientists agree on those points. I never mentioned the big bang. Nobody did. The modern understanding of the origins of the universe still have a beginning point and no explanation for what was happening immediately prior, or what caused it to happen. Again, science REQUIRES logical chains of causaulity.
>>537175252
>>537175326Why would I need to reference what you said? Penrose, hawking, Einstein, (insert scientist) all had their own theories. Big bang is widely accepted as probable. Science isn't some dogma its just observation and theorizing. Everyone agrees quantum theory is incomplete so are gr and sr. None of them agree with the judeo/Muslim/Christian thought. If god can be infinite why not the universe?
>>537175455>science is not dogmaIt's not supposed to be, but for many laymen and even some scientists it is. That's where "trust the science" comes from, an inherently contradictory idea. If science was not dogma to some people (tips m'lady) these threads would not exist.
>>537175430>out of context bible verses
>>537172190We need a ban on all australians
>>537175638nobody needs to prayall of you have their work cut out for them, its all logicalin fact, scientists are literally the only people who _have_ to praydue to the quantum nature of reality(they must pray that god does not fuck up their experiments)all others need not, technically(all other can, and maybe should, though)>I regard consciousness as fundamental.>I regard matter as derivative from consciousness.>We cannot get behind consciousness.>Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.>t. Max Planck, The Observer (London, England) (25 January 1931), p. 17
I mean, my expercience tells me different. Spiritual isn't separate from the physical tho. They are both the same happening simultanously and we are just lucky enough that our payches can sometimes detect it. Only soulless golems can't
>>537175675>I deliberately created a world full of things that I do no tlike and now I am mad. How could this be happening to me?This is what I responded to. Your post contained no bible verses. Nobodies post contained any bible verses. Like a typical gypsie nigger scammer you obfuscate the argument . The relevant parts here are "God is mean" and "if god real why bad thing happen", which is your whole argument. You can't pick my intellectual pocket gypo scum, stop trying.
>>537172684Nice deflection, Jew
>>537175675>has never read a single pageany more gems, cutie?
Wabadadubdub
>>537175901>>537175967You can tell us all you know about the torah rabbi don't worry. I don't need to argue about it with professionals in torah like you rabbi
>>537176149>superior atheist intellectualism>refutation not requiredtruly the highest of IQs
>>537176294I don't specialize in jewish fairytales and jewish folklore like you rabbi. I am not jewish I don't know jewish folklore. Maybe you want to tell us about your folklore rabbi goyims are too inferior to talk about the torah with rabbis like you
>>537174664Damn, this anon traveler is extra based. May you walk warmly, this next morning and every day after!
>>537176405you seem angry. Why are you angry? I denounce the torah, god, yhwh, jesus, whatever you want me to denounce because I don't care about any of that. I'm not religious, but I'm also not an atheist. Anti-religious arguments to nothing to refute my position.
>>537176583Then what and who the fuck is god?
>>537175326Science does allow you to say "i don't know"it's one of the things that christcucks can't seem to understandYou can believe in science and accept that we don't have all the answers to everythingBut we do still know that christcucks are retarded
>>537176790I don't know. Neither do you. My best guess would be a concious being of higher order than we are capbale of comprehending, in the same way an ant cannot comprehend the existance of the kitchen wall they nest inside.>>537176861science quite literally REQUIRES that you say "I don't know" if it's true.Here's a list of scientists admitting they don't know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsolved_problems_in_physicsFollowing your logic all of these world renowned physicists are not scientists. They are though, and that's why they all said "I don't know".
>>537176861>>537177007my mistake, I thought you were making the opposite argument. You are correct, science doesn't know everything but I don't see the connection to "therefore religion is stupid"
>>537176563SOL is unfortunately somewhat Earth-bound.It's still better than the arbitrariness of Abrahamitic alternatives.I'm obligated to the UNIVERSAL God, and am searching for the name I should use for it.
>>537176790The answer is SOL. Both sides of the current hyperpolarized dichotomy are wrong. "Religion" has been culturally summarized as "worship of a invisible, personified father figure that cannot act or speak unless you do so for them." In reality, this dimension, true divinity does not speak personally with mortals or commit rape shenanigans. It doesn't look or sound or think like a human being.On the other hand lgbt cultism and failure worship is NOT standing with science or evolution. Modern pop atheism sticks a banana up it's own ass and fails to argue Traditonal religion beyond the obvious. It has no replacement.Praise SOL, the only true divinity.
>>537172684Luciferians
>>537172774Fucking Dawkins speaks out against Islam you moron.
>>537177007>My best guess would be a concious being of higher order than we are capbale of comprehending, in the same way an ant cannot comprehend the existance of the kitchen wall they nest inside.And? What does that change? It's just your assumption. I can also guess that Patriots will win the NFL season. What does that change? How is your life any different to an atheist? You don't pray or worship or nothing you just think about a supposed god you don't know about but would like to think and came to conclusion from yout biased opinions just like the one I said with the Patriots.
Yahweh is the original Epstein
>>537177211Now say all that bullshit back to yourself: >my best guess is there is no godAnd? What does that change? It's just your assumption. I can also guess your mom fucks grocery store stock boys in exchange for canned fish. What does that change? How is your life any different to a theist? You don't pray or worship or nothing you just think about a supposed lack of god you don't believe in but would like to think and came to conclusion from yout biased opinions just like the one I said with the your momequally applicable, but I'm exploring an interesting idea that humans have pondered and debated since the dawn of history and you're shutting it down because you don't understand. You are the very definition of a dogmatist.
>>537177127>It's still better than the arbitrariness of Abrahamitic alternatives.john chapter 8 makes it very clear that jesus is not an arbitrary abrahamic
>>537172190Nah we don't know shit regardless of what jews say, agnosticism is the correct path.
>Be God>Create men>Tell men they have to live by your rules or you'll punish them.>Thousands of years pass>Send yourself>To sacrifice yourself>To yourself>To save men from yourself
>>537172190?That's fucking stupid and asinine.Atheism is the less intelligent option for multiple reasons.
>>537177416i would thinkyou guys are being tolerated by SOLnot the other way around
>>537177413Exactly it's your assumption not factual stuff based on reality. My mom doesn't " fucks grocery store stock boys in exchange for canned fish". What if my mom was dead? Again you are just a retarded amerimutt who thinks he is special. You are literally circumcised because of jews you are not special kek.
>>537175430>If God real why bad things happenAnd 2000 years later there's still no good answer. No, not even le free will. Things would objectively be better if God just controlled everything, since He's so good.
>>537172190>By Laura Geggel>A Literal TroonThis HAS to something made by Christians to dunk on idiot leftists.
>>537175430Aside from the gay one those are decent arguments.
>>537177524The question was: Why do YOU care?I understand why a believer wants to proselytize, especially when the religion specifies that it is one of their religious duties. I don't understand why atheists feel a need to do the same. What is your goal?>inb4 turns the question aroundMy goal, as stated, is to explore an interesting and ancient ideas and questions.
>>537177820> don't understand why atheists feel a need to do the same. What is your goal?Maybe not get killed or other rights taken like they did to witches, "heretics", non belivers, pagans etc when christianity was state religion. Atheists don't "proselytize" (muslims and christians do that, literally no other religion does that so you are wrong when you say religion in general). Atheists just say their opinion they don't start crusades or jihads. Nobody forces you to be atheist, yet there are muslims who start jihads and christians who want crusades
>>537178052The last time there was a heresy law anywhere near you was under Byzantine rule. You sound like a woman ranting about being targeted by "rape culture", delusional and self-important.
>>537176294You are the gayest nigger on earth and this post has more weight to it than any religion faggot
>>537178148>let me tell you about your countryLmao you are retarded and don't know history clearly. Your flag literally checks out. You forgot the religious wars started between catholics and protestants, Romanian states got involved too, we were also under control by the ottomans. For example old calendarists (a recent one) were considered heretics just cuz they used a different calendar so there were always "heresies" retard. The patriarch told the king to stop them and even pay bribes to them. You forgot about the iron guard too which clearly hated atheists. Stop talking about Europe and history if you are so retarded and you don't know any history about Europe beyond what they teach you in school. I didn't talk about your history
>>537178148>"rape culture"You're proving the point of rape culture by being so dismissive of women's troubles with sexual harassment, you know.
>>537178310Yes, I'm going to tell you about your country because you clearly don't know: Not a single old-calendarist was prosecuted for heresy because there was no law against heresy. There are still old-calendarist churches operating today. >>537178499Yes, that is exactly what I'm doing because rape culture is pure bullshit, and so is the perceived oppression of atheists. Neither actually exists outside the heads of its "victims"
>>537178613https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_CalendaristsWhile the Greek Old Calendarists were "[o]riginally perhaps a million strong", they were severely persecuted by the State of Greece; Metropolitan Chrysostomos was imprisoned in Lesbos in 1951 as part of those persecutions.[14]Yes they were retarded amerimutt please kys.
>>537178613>Yes, that is exactly what I'm doing because rape culture is pure bullshitHow can it be? Rape is commited by men in the vast majority of cases, and then roaches like you come out of the woodworks to ask 'Well what was she wearing' as if wearing skimpy clothing excuses anything.
>>537178659>greece not romania>killed by a turkish lynch mob, not prosecuted for heresytry again
>>537177518if you saw jesus bring himself back from the dead would you lie about what you witnessed on the off chance that meme flag in the future would yell at you about SOL
>>537178820>From 1935 and onwards, the Romanian government enacted "drastic measures" aimed to "eradicate organized opposition" to the Romanian Orthodox Church. Due to this, Romanian Old Calendarist churches and monasteries "were razed", and Romanian Old Calendarists activists were incarcerated. "Many, like Abbot Pambo, were killed and Glicherie Tănase was repeatedly imprisoned." Those persecutions went on "until the collapse of the [Romanian] regime at the end of the Second World War."[1>by turksStop lying no you are a christcuck stop lying you are agnostic or deist nobody can be this two faced you literally suck christcuck dry asf.
>>537178816"rape culture" is the belief that all or most men are capable of rape and yearning for an oppurtunity. Denying this is not denying that rapists exist, only a denial that it is so common that women must constantly be on guard about it while simultaneously refusing to adjust their behavior to deal with this perceived threat. For what it's worth, I don't think what she was wearing is relevant because I'm not a rapist or rape apologist, rapists should be castrated. I just don't think 99.999% of men are even capable of imagining themselves committing rape, so the constant paranoia is unwarranted and childish self-serving self-important nonsense.
>>537178890>retard doesn't understand how citations workThat is a quote from "The Blackwell Dictionary of Eastern Christianity", which I imagine an atheist would agree is a less than dependable source.Pambo was egyptian, and died peacefully of old age. I can't find anything claiming he was ever imprisoned aside from that quote.Tanase also died peacefully of old age, and again I can't find anything claiming he was ever imprisoned. https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glicherie_T%C4%83nase
>>537178922Anon, that's just a strawman. While there are women who say stupid shit like "All men are rapists" most of them don't actually think like that. They know most men are fine, but the few that are rapists ruin it for everyone else, since they women are gambling with every man they meet to not be shitty. It's like with niggers. Not every nigger, but always a nigger. If I see one, I'm crossing the street, no ifs or buts.
>>537179028>pambo was egyptian died of old age>no source>he literally shows me the other guy not pambo>he was imprisoned >doesn't matter he had a good life
>>537179066I know most women don't believe in "rape culture". Most rape victims probably don't even believe in it, they likely acknowledge that there are dozens of men who care about them and would never harm them and the one who did. Rape culture theories are the domain of privileged women who desire victimhood to join the oppressed classes for social points. I don't attribute the ideas to women in general and never implied that I did, it's a tiny segment.>tips hat
>>537179028Also good life as orthodox priest under communism is crazy. Amerimutts are truly insane
>>537179181https://www.copticplace.org/Saints_E/Lives_of_Saints/Pambo.htmlEgypt, No mention of europehttps://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=6480Egypt, no mention of europehttps://omhksea.org/archives/2771Egypt, no mention of europehttps://www.bartleby.com/lit-hub/lives-of-the-saints/volume-ix-september/st-pambo-of-nitria-abbot/Egypt, no mention of europehttps://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2016/07/life-and-sayings-of-holy-abba-pambo-of.htmlEgypt, no mention of europeHundreds more available if that's not enough
>>537179237>Rape culture theories are the domain of privileged women who desire victimhood to join the oppressed classes for social pointsI guess that's fine. It feels more like you already agree with the idea I'm proposing, you just don't like the term and the types of people who often use it. Godspeed to you, anon
>>537172190"The supernatural is baseless" says someone who lives in a world where resuscitating someone without a heartbeat was once considered impossible.
>>537179328>saint pambo>385we were talkibg about 1920s btw>yeah he had an egyptian name must be egyptian>forget Chiril or other guys who were egyptiansWtf no you are truly insane. You are clearly a christcuck
>>537179299WAIT WAIT WAITARE YOU SAYING THE SCIENTIFIC MATERIALISTS (aka communists) WERE WORSE MORE OPPRESSIVE RULERS THAN THE THEISTS? HOW CAN THIS BEEEEEE NOOOOOOOO
>>537178835anon, you have to be the one to want to seek the truth yourselfSOL can be derived from first principlesthe bible cannot; you need to rely on human sourceswhich, do you think, would the REAL god prefer?seek the answer within, for there it must lie, and not in some arbitrary manualyou deny the power of god by denying other meansbut youre just some small-time hickso whatever, man
Atheism created feminism, LGBT, transexuals etc. If you support atheism you should kill yourself.
>>537179421Yeah to christcucks but christcucks are kike golems so I don't care about your life christcuck
>>537179443Esti tigan sau moldovean? Ma rog tot aia e
>>537179403You mentioned Pambo, an egyptian who lived and died in egypt, as an example of heretic prosecution in Romania. That's your retardation, I'm only responding to it.
>>537172267>Does having money not require intelligence?It doesn't when you can inherit it.
>>537179490>egypt in 385>old calendaristsWe were talking about old caledarists the wiki mink literally talked about old calendarists. I will stop responding to you, you clearly are baiting or you are too retarded to be alive, whichever is true I will not bother responding to you. Go talk to rabby Yeshua or to your unkown galaxy god or whatever the fuck god you believe in
>>537179570If Pambo is completely unrelated to Romanian heresy laws why did you invoke his name? I didn't bring him up, you did because you saw him mentioned in a wiki article (the same article I looked up before stating that there have been no heresy laws in romania since byzantium that's why I knew immediately what you were quoting) I love how angry you guys get. You pride yourself on being the smart logical ones and fall apart under anything resembling rhetorical pushback instead of your own straw man creations. Actual crusaders probably had less anger and a more thoughtful attitude towards heretics while executing them than you do towards theists. All of your posts reek of dogmatic thought. You care so much, yet can do so little about it because it's all literally over your head, above your ability to understand or deconstruct, and you refuse to look upwards and ask hard questions because you know the answers will baffle you and will do too much damage to your ego.
>>537172190I'm sure the average IQ of atheists is higher than the average IQ of theists.HOWEVERI would also bet that among people with IQ above 135, there are a higher amount of theists than atheists.Organized religion is a scam though.>>537172267>Does having money not require intelligence?If you've read the Epstein emails, you'd know that many of them are barely literate, let alone intelligent.
>>537179984>edge vs middle IQ distribution horseshoeThis Heisenberg quote >>537175638 is the best expression of this idea I've ever heard, from the pen of the most respected and influential physicist this side of Einstein.
