why didn't we listen to the science??? they were always predicting mysterious cold blobs. the science has been settled for decades.
>>537174154that's not the atlantic that's the arctic ocean
>>537174203It's the Atlantic, stupid
>>537174154what's the wet bulb temp tho
>>537174154remember when they flipped from "global warming" to "climate change"because people figured out "global warming" was retarded and obviously fakeand "climate change" is a nonsense statement since the seasons change
It's not mysterious, there's several videos to watch
>>537174294Yet you'll never learn because you just react to things.
cold blob is gonna destroy the planet, someone needs to stop it, oh no
>>537174154I was just thinking about climate change.My region has been unusually cold this summer. I just had to start up heating. Tourists used to come here to swim but now there's nobody.If we upset nature so bad here, what awaits indians?
>>537174294They changed it because people are fucking morons.>If global warming real then how come winter?>If global warming real then how come snow?>checkmate atheists
aymliens
>>537174460>They changed it because people are fucking morons.OMG you're like, so smart! Israel has the right to rape and kill children!
>>537174154>>537174154>>537174154HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!GETINHERE!!!!!!!!!!THERE'S A COLD BLOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!
>>537174294It was always climate change.
>>537174460>They changed it because people are fucking morons.they changed it so they could blame absolutely any weather event on 'climate change'. >gets unseasonably hot>that's climate change>gets unseasonably cold >that's climate change >have a hurricane >that's climate changeliterally every weather event is attributed to climate change. yet they can't even accurately predict when it's going to rain.
probably a fucking france sized iceberg
>>537174560>It was always climate change.it was global dimming at first, then global warming, then climate change. read a fucking book. these 'scientists' don't know shit.
>>537174294Remember when they switched from global cooling to global warming?
>>537174560they phased "global warming" out in the 90's>t old fag
>>537174154Looks like it is planning to visit a synagogue and also the wall
>>537174635>france sized icebergOY VEY
>>537174688>global coolingyea, global dimming, when they were predicting a new ice age. that was around the 70s.
>the earth becomes profusely unlivable the moment the brown population becomes too hard to control.And all was right
>>537174154All the sea ice melted well over 10 years ago and now we live underwater
>>537174246>no it's not the arctic! it's the northern, northern atlantic!
>>537174154I hate USA today and all these shitty news websitesbut the science about this is interesting, a change or collapse in thee atlantic ocean current system is a real worry as it would make much of the weather in yurop catastrophically colder
>>537174792>arctic is at the latitude of Ireland!
>>537174750global dimming was used until the 80's and then global brightening was used in-between global dimming and global warming
>>537174294It was also around the same time they wheeled out the retard and shifted from fake science to "muh feelings".
>>537174837ireland is in a completely different hemisphere
>>537174154Cold blob is real. I had to turn on heating in the middle of june because it's fucking cold here at night.
>>537174886Too bad geography isn't taught anymore. You'd point to Australia and say it's Texas
>>537174154>The swath of ocean — dubbed the "cold blob" or "warming hole" — has cooled by nearly 1 degree Celsius (1.8 Fahrenheit) since 1900.yawn
>>537174627Yeah, climate is complicated. One of the effects is more warmth means more energy which means stronger storms. But this is too complicated to explain to conservatives so "climate change" is an umbrella term.
COW FARTS MAKE COLD BLOBS, THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED CHUDS SO EAT THE FUCKING BUGS ALREADY!!
>>537175018>"climate change" is an umbrella term.yes, for centuries climate has been static and now it's suddenly changing. OMG!!!!
>>537174154>find new things>why didn't you knew about this new thing before?>new thing has to be fake or we would have known about this
>>537174825It is what it is, blue ocean events happen, arctic is free from ice, sun rays hit just water, warming it up further, creating feedback loops, all that ice water dissipates, currents carry it. The equator aka India is mega fucked from all this which is good news. But yes, for everyone else, carbon dioxide, methane do have a warming effect. It’s why Venus is hellish landscape.
>>537174708No I was in high school till 2008 and they were still talking about it then.We even had to watch that al gore movie where he said the ice caps would melt in 2014.
>>537174154>not every prediction was 100% accurate therefore climate change isn't realyou guys are some real fucking dumbass gorilla niggers, you know that?
>>537175279Goal post shifting is common in the field of climate science because not even the scientists know what the fuck will happen, then you get nut cases who are alarmists and say doomsday is gonna happen but in reality it’s a slow as fuck process.
>>537174860She got betterNot enough snip cock for her in Sweden though so she had to go to the wog and the jew
>>537174294why are you retards incapable of processing any new information and changing your views as time goes on? it's like you all just latched on to what you thought of the world when you were 12 and have refused to budge since then. it's ridiculous. it's impossible to have any meaningful debate with you because you refuse to acknowledge any information that didn't exist when you were in middle school.
>>537175159if we just pay enough taxes to weirdo socialist groups we will finally return to the One True Climate
>>537175417>THE SCIENCE IS SETTTTTTTLED!!!!
>>537175460Climate science is never settled.
>>537174154You should put a cold blob in your wet bulb
>>537175502That's not what the experts say.
that's a gas chamber you fucking psychos.
>>537174825>but the science about this is interesting, a change or collapse in thee atlantic ocean current system is a real worry as it would make much of the weather in yurop catastrophically colderThats impossible since there are no big sources of sudden cold fresh water injections into the ocean circulatory system. During the ice age this thing happened repeatedly when large amounts of ice and meltwater got released from the gulf stream transporting heat northwards. The gulf stream is super strong during ice ages because the thermal difference between the north pole and the equator is at its highest then. This means that huge amounts of warm water is transported north and a melting starts, and eventually a large chunk of floating ice shelf is relased, floats southwards and melts, releasing huge amounts of cold fresh water. And also huge freshwater lakes form behind glacial ice dams, when these dams melt enormous amounts of cold fresh water is released into the ocean. This shuts down the gulf stream temporarily and the ice age resumes until the gulf stream recovers and the process starts over again. Since we are in an age where huge ice shelfs and glacial dam lakes are absent, this cant happen.
>>537175417This is not reddit
>>537174294Wow, it's almost like they updated their schema incrememtally as understanding of climate change improved!?!
>>537174460>forced to change your lies because people are "dumb">your argument is now the planet is getting colder therefore it's getting hotterFunnier than all the climate propaganda insisting every other country is getting a bajillion times warmer than every other country for a *global* warming scamGoddamn climate changists are retarded
I'm getting tired of you guys trying to suffocate all my plants. Its why are rainforests are going away. If you have a planted aquarium you have to pump lots of CO2 into the tank and the plants then grow like crazy. I think they said there was high CO2, and O2 back with dinosaurs and they had those massive plants and trees. But now you guys are constantly trying to kill all our plants by taking all their CO2...what they breathe with. Why di you want to take away all their air? We need lots of CO2. Lots and lots of it. The plants will grow huge, forests will come back. And they make lots and lots of fresh oxygen for us. So for the love of God stop trying to suffocate the plants. Let them breathe!
>>537175417>it's like you all just latched on to what you thought of the world when you were 12yeah bro my TV was full of "climate change is fake and gay" cartoon propaganda that made me think that way during my formative years
>>537175018>be retard climate changist>insist that every piece of evidence, including the contradictory pieces, justify your batshit insane theory>blame conservatives when ice records show we had higher CO2 levels by double during the Ice AgeCan't wait for your next line of politically motivated delusional copingPS scientists don't make appeals to politics, they make appeals to evidence. Your climate change is bullshit because it doesn't have a falsifiability criterion, which makes it a meaningless theory
>>537175237Venus is a hellish landscape because it's nearer to the sun, you fucking climate retardCO2 doesn't affect heat because during the mini Ice Age CO2 levels were 889ppm, DOUBLE WHAT IT IS NOW
>>537175653you are mistaking millions years time line with the white american nazi gas chambering operation
>>537175417>it's like you all just latched on to what you thought of the world when you were 12 and have refused to budge since then. it's ridiculous. it's impossible to have any meaningful debate with you because you refuse to acknowledge any information that didn't exist when you were in middle school.Trump made a big deal about telling NASA to make Pluto a planet again lmaothose people can't be saved
>>537175676>climate retard insists cartoons had anti-climate change propagandaNo they didn't.Name one example, political faggot
denazification does not work. Cyanide pills work.
>>537175018>Yeah, climate is complicated. One of the effects is more warmth means more energy which means stronger storms. But this is too complicated to explain to conservatives so "climate change" is an umbrella term.This is wrong. The weather was much more violent during the ice age because that is when the thermal difference between the equator and the poles was maximized. The great hurricane of 1780, which happend at the end of the little ice age, was much stronger than any hurricane ever recorded with sustained wind speeds in excess of 200 miles per hour or 90 meter per seconds and intermittent wind bursts in far excess of that. The amount of carbon dioxide in the air in 1780 is not something climate changers want to discuss. During the ice age the amount of dust in the air was 20x more than it is now. This was because the air was much drier than it is now, so larger deserts, but also because winds were much much stronger due to far greater thermal differences north-south. What we call "weather" is a kind of heat engine that is driven by the thermal convection between the warm equator and the cold poles. The greater the thermal difference, the stronger the weather. A very warm earth with the poles completely ice free would also have the equator permanently covered by clouds, minimizing the thermal difference between the equator and the poles and creating very mild weather with feeble storms.
>>537175417>why are you retards incapable of processing any new information and changing your views as time goes on?Why are you incapable of recognizing a scam even when you have it explained to you? Climate believers are nothing more than another variant of the pious christcucker who rejects all objective information for faith in his jewish rabbi because he believes it makes him morally superior to everyone else and thus of higher social status than everyone else too.
The trees are not vacuum cleaners. The gas chambers pump that carbon up from millions of years ago and it's not going back down for thousands of years.>>537175851This is a lot of words for "I am not going to stop running the gas chamber"
>>537176097They dont know they are fluent in exterminationWhy does the forest ranger need a 5,000-pound oven to protect the forest?Why is the 'STATE' she serves the same state that built the highway that burns the forest?Why is she smiling while the carbon rises?
>>537174560nopeand now it's "climate chaos"
>>537174154The cold blob is due to melting glacier freswater, cold water cant sink like ita supposes to due to density differences. After all ice melts we will boil like chicken.
>>537175717>Venus is a hellish landscape because it's nearer to the sun, you fucking climate retard>CO2 doesn't affect heat because during the mini Ice Age CO2 levels were 889ppm, DOUBLE WHAT IT IS NOWPhotosynthesis life never developed on Venus so its primordial co2 atmosphere never changed. Earth originally had an all co2 atmosphere but eventually photosynthesis life developed that could "eat" the atmosphere by absorbing light. The oxygen released also served as a way to cleanse away the primordial older forms of anaerobic life for a win/win synergy. This type of life took over the entire earth biosphere and removed the carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. Also, the co2 during the ice age was not at 889 ppm but much less. You are some kind of pajeet-jew bot that just spews bullshit to poison the well because climate change is a jew scam.
>>537176251why does the forest ranger need a 5000 pound concentration camp oven with wheels on it to protect the forest?
>>537174294I also remember climate gate and had hopes it would end Al Gores retarded scam but no such luck.
>>537174294Remember acid rain and the ozone layer? 80sWeAreTheWorldAIDSridge Farms remembers
>>537176566And where the fuck is my flying car?
>>537174154That's the leviathan. It's cold-blooded.
>>537176218Is that true? If so that's fucked
>>537176607Never forget zoomerniggers, millennials were promised flying cars or that acid rain, the AIDS epidemic or some schizo in Russia was gonna nuke us
>>537176607the white librarian taught you to call a 5000 pound concentration camp oven with wheels on it a car instead of calling it a 5000 pound concentration camp oven with wheels on it. whites come to a place and teach the people that used to live there to NOT be able to read the world they live in as social control. That's the violent illiteracy of the white american nazi gas cambering operation.
>>537174294Hello exxon shill
>>537174688Yep. One of my old science teachers believed the theories that a new ice age was coming soon.
>>537176413deserved (you)
>>537176673And early 80s will remember the big bad Ayatollah and Bolton
>>537176687They also said it was German when it turned out to be Soviet
>>537174203That map isn't right the Arctic is above Greenland.
>>537175763Kek he was being sarcastic towards an Al Gore worshipper.
You’re failing the literacy test. They tell you it's Soviet or just "engineering" to keep you from reading the blueprints. Hitler designed the Kübelwagen himself for blood, mud, and guts. The *5000 pound concentration camp oven with wheels on it* you drive today is just that same design with better upholstery. Hitler burned the physical world; the white American Nazi gas chambering operation has perfected it by turning the entire atmosphere into the gas chamber. You’re driving a descendant of the Kübelwagen, and the librarian smiles because she taught you to call it a "car" so you wouldn't smell the exhaust of your own complicity.
>>537174947Its true, Australians are the Texans of BritainAustralians are intelligenter than Texans
>>537176738>>537177067
>>537176566acid rain and ozone holes were different not pure communist lie like climate change
>>537174249Polar vortex tier
>>537174294They changed it because retards were screeching "how come there's global warming if some areas are getting colder" even though they always said that global warming would cause some areas to get colder and others to flood more, not just raise temperature.Now you retards use it as "proof" that it doesn't exist.
>>537175417Do you think schools funded by government teach kids to question them?
>>537175502That's why big corps love counter narratives. Once you think "never settled", they can do whatever they want
>>537174294because you're to fucking room temperature IQ to understand how the climate changes around the planet actually works and needs baby words and mommy language to explain it easier to you. Please, kill yourself, and end you failure of a bloodline.You stupid fucking faggot.
>>537176566The ozone layer was fixed precisely because there was a global-wide effort to curve the emission of ozone-tearing gasses. Now the issue is that we have too much ozone from chemical factories.Acid rain was not literally rain made of acid like in the cartoons. It meant that rain was contaminated, which it is. Rainwater is no longer safe to drink.
Well the good news is Florida won't exist when Greenland's ice melts, raising sea levels by 7 meters. The Dutch will have a hard time
>>537175851>very mild weather with feeble stormsThat's not the very hot heatwave in recent years and texas freeze
>>537177530Acid rain is acidic rain below a certain pH, dumb communist
>>537174154>problem: we need people to be afraid of climate change.>Solution: make everything red and orange.
>>537174154>it's cold in the winter>"It's climate change!111">it's hot in the summer >"It's climate change!111">it rains in autumn>"It's climate change!111">there's pollen in the air during spring>"It's climate change!111"
>>537177529>>537177423>>537176695>>537175603>>537175417>>537174560>>537174460>>537174323does a faggot bat signal go out when ever a climate thread gets created on /pol/?
>>537177745>herp derp hurpdorpdhururppp??I don't speak retard, buddy
>>537177832>herp derpreddit, gothen kys
the problem is no body told you we were supposed to be using the gas chambers to land on earth. if hitler knew about the permanent ghost when hitler built hitler's high ways hitler would have made plans to land on earth.
>>537177832Yet you seem to be fluent in the dialect, you drooling retard.
>>537174294>remember when they flipped from "global warming" to "climate change"Just look at reactioins from the morons over here. The clima church faked everything, totasl desaster in prediction, taxes are made but you are an Oil shill. At least their influence is a cross each 4 years on a paper sheet that that ends in an urn.
>>537174294kekee tee kek-kek, yuo triggered npcs oh my science!
AAAAHHHHHH THE MAPS ARE RED I'M MEEEELLLTTTIIIINNNNGGGGG
>>537174154Shitskins are responsible for global warmingWe must nuke shitskins to save the planet
>>537174294YESFUCK GLOBAL WARMING HOAXFUCK COVID HOAXFUCK EPSTEIN(BTW THEY EVEN USED TO CALL IT GLOBAL COOLING ICE AGE)
>>537179775this is your gas chamber exhaust molecule. The holocaust never ended. The holocaust is the commute. You will be sent to the concentration camps for denying the holocaust in germany.
If I were a teacher irl in the US I would have to beat the students. white germans are really fucking dumb.
white germans get really fucking dumb from breathing gas chamber exhaust for 80 years.
>>537177726But what if we get a windy, cloudy, mild summer?
AMOC prevents everything north of Northern-Ireland looking like GREENLAND (yes, that's the ice covered one)
>the climate simply can never change because of human action because I don't like them folks who be talking about that subjectyou people are genuinely retarded
>>537174294Who's they?
>>537175717Venus has fucking 96 bar of pressure at the surface, retard
>>537174154Holy shit! A cold blob just flew over my house!
>>537176566we stopped hearing about the ozone layer once it was discovered that the chapman cycle applied to our upper atmosphere in a very natural way
>>537177423no faggotpeople noticed when all the predictions were wrongco2 doesnt have the ability to do what you faggots say it doesit is a temp response mechanism, co2ppm, not a driver
>>537177530>The ozone layer was fixed precisely because there was a global-wide effort to curve the emission of ozone-tearing gasses.this is wrongits both naturally created and naturally destroyedonce mother nature was unequivocally responsible,we never heard a fucking peep about it again
Good, hurry up. This is earth is gay and filled with faggots and stupid. Please let this thing destroy us all.
>>537181014you have a lot of growing up to do
>>537176251venus is hotter than Mercury because its massive CO2 atmosphere traps heat in a runaway greenhouse effect. that is an objective, well established fact. and ice core records put pre industrial CO2 around 275-284 ppm, with a slight drop during the Little Ice Age. Cso it was not double today’s level. It was about one third lower than today. you're literally lying on both accounts.>>537175851the equator pole gradient matters a lot for mid latitude storm tracks, but tropical cyclones are not powered simply by north south temperature difference. they are powered by warm ocean water, moisture and latent heat release, which is exactly why warming increases extreme cyclone rainfall and raises the share of intense storms. >great hurricane of 1780that 200 mph figure is a subjective damage based estimate, not an instrumentally measured sustained wind record. again you are just making up bullshit to fit your weak narrative.>amount of carbon dioxide in the air in 1780 is not something climate changers want to discuss? pre industrial CO2 was about 275-284 ppm, far below today. again, none of this is controversial, you are just a retard.>dust in the air was 20x more than it is nowproves the glacial world was colder, drier and dustier. does not prove greenhouse warming makes storms harmless>>537175574that is not the mechanism. where the fuck are you making up this shit from? the subpolar North Atlantic gets warmer and fresher, surface water becomes less dense, and deep water formation weakens. We know for an observed fact that Greenland is losing about ~264 billion metric tons of ice per year, plus increased Arctic melt and precipitation. >Gulf streamyou are confusing the Gulf Stream with the AMOC. the Gulf Stream is only one part of the wider overturning circulation. yet another tell you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about
>>537174627>>537175018Sterile biodomes with no atmospheres resulted in dead plants
>>537181210>venus is hotter than Mercury because its massive CO2 atmosphere traps heat in a runaway greenhouse effect. that is an objective, well established fact.you are a retardthe temp on Venus is because of its ridiculously high atmospheric pressurewhere the pressure = 1atm, its just like a record hot day hereHAS FUCKALL TO DO WITH CO2, RETARD
>>537180949>it is a temp response mechanism, co2ppm, not a driverco2 is both a feedback and a forcing. In ice age cycles, orbital changes started warming, oceans released CO2 and that extra CO2 amplified the warming. that does not mean CO2 cannot drive warming when humans directly add it to the atmosphere, it can and it does. >all the predictions were wrongstudies of past climate model projections find they were generally accurate or even underprojected warming when compared with the actual emissions and forcings that happened. cope more.
>>537174460It was always made up.It was always 100% on the sun.It was always to line their pockets through guilt-tax #47659Ecosystem degradation and invasive species is the ONLY thing that matters.It's hot in the cities because they rase green space for more migrants lair.
>>537181449venus’s huge pressure helps make the lower atmosphere extremely hot through compression, but that pressure is from a massive atmosphere that is mostly CO2, and CO2 is what makes the atmosphere strongly opaque to outgoing infrared radiation>pressure = 1atmirrelevant. that level is around 50 km above the surface. in a thick greenhouse atmosphere, radiation escapes from high, colder layers, then temperature rises downward through the lapse rate.you do not understand what you are talking about and you are lashing out like a toddler throwing a tantrum because you can't handle being told you don't know. pathetic.
>>537181499>no you can just double count, its okno you cant, faggot>my broken model from over 20 years ago is right even though it is admittedly lacking>but that's ok, see, it hit a temperatureyou will NEVER have a good climate model without a good solar modelwe dont have anything resembling a predictive solar model. outliers cannot be predicted = this means your model is rudimentary at bestyou will never make good predictions when "Total" solar irradiance (TSI) omits solar flares, CMEs, and the solar proton stream from consideration because they are muh insignificant transients and never mind that they can deliver a month's worth of irradiance in a daythe best most funny part is that this TSI bastardization was nowhere near enough and climate fags got outed in climategate tampering with shit because the warming trend had disappeared.we all now know about Mike's trick to hide the decline, where they stopped giving us real temps and instead put everything in temp anomaly and then select the coldest minimas to set the baseline from>generally accuratelol, lmao even>BUT THE SCIENTISTSargumentum ad vericundiamfuck off retarded faggotyour lies hold no power here
>>537181591>100% on the sunthe Sun's energy output follows natural 11 year cycles with no net increase, whereas global temperatures have risen significantly during the same period, ruling out the Sun as the cause of recent warming.https://skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm
>>537181635>venus’s huge pressure helps make the lower atmosphere extremely hot through compressionyou spelled>is almost entirely responsible forwrong>this wouldnt happen unless the atmosphere is 98% co2lol, lmaono this is just you telling the thread you do not understand physics>irrelevantno, you dont get to just hand wave that one awaybut when you're btfo and cant fight back on it, about the only thing left for you to do is ignore ityou are talking like someone who behaved well and believed everything their teachers ever said without questioncope moar bot abbo
>>537181757You've accounted on the star path of our star, right?
>>537181757>the Sun's energy output follows natural 11 year cycles with no net increase, whereas global temperatures have risen significantly during the same period, ruling out the Sun as the cause of recent warming.you can make retarded statements like this when your calculus ignores the role of the earth's magnetic field in the processthe sun didnt have to increase for the earth to be impacted more when the magnetic field drops precipitouslybut then again, you climate fags dont want to think about things like the magnetosphere because it will btfo the co2 meme
>>537181747Don't worry, he will be back next thread.
>>537174154earth is closer to the sun right now. that's really all it is. let the fools get their money stolen by Gretchen and her friends if they want to believe her.
>>537182117I dont know why those retards even botherthe window to prove this hypothesis is long gone and they've failedfailed hypotheses that people keep believing in wind up being mere conjecture
>>537181747nope. TSI refers to the spectrally integrated solar energy reaching the top of Earth’s atmosphere. It does not ignore some secret extra Sun. flares and CMEs are short lived space weather events, not sustained climate forcing. large solar flares show up as tiny TSI perturbations, around hundredths of a percent for minutes, not “a month of irradiance in a day” CMEs mainly affect the magnetosphere, ionosphere and thermosphere. they do not explain decades of ocean heat uptake and lower atmosphere warming>omits solar flaresClimate models do include solar forcing. they do not need to predict every flare to model climate, for the same reason a seasonal climate model does not need to predict every thunderstorm. climate is about persistent energy imbalance, not transient outliers. once again, you haven't the slightest fucking clue of what you are attemtping to talk about.>hide the declineknown tree ring proxy divergence problem, already discussed in the literature. independent inquiries did not find a climate data fraud conspiracy. try again dumb cunt>temp anomalytemperature anomalies are also not fake data, they are just temperatures expressed relative to a baseline. changing the baseline moves the zero line, not the trend.>argumentum ad vericundiamhmmm experts publishing peer reviewed papers who spend their whole lives studying the climate and atompsheric physics, vs some stupid faggot with a room temperature turd for a brain and unable to comprehend anything more complex than a fucking dogshit roy spencer climate denier slop blog with 180p MS paint charts?
>>537182161C'mon anon, you're certain that we're in the close point of our yearly orbit around the sun? Near the summer solstice? Please verify your claim...
>>537182202>flares and CMEs are short lived space weather events, not sustained climate forcing.>they've been shown to deliver a month's worth of solar energy in less than a day, but we dont need to account for that incoming energythis is just you admitting "climate" "science" is biased and selectiveI mean, anyone paying attention already knows this>they barely blip TSIthat's because they arent included in TSI, dumb fuckcompletely ignore them and you get a tiny blip>massive extra incoming energy doesnt affect the oceanlol, lmao even>climate science isnt about transient outliersno, "climate" "science" is about proving man's co2 outputs are going to cause a runaway catastrophe that will always and forever be well out into the future where the model breaks and the output goes sidewaysthe problem winds up being retards that think>WOW THIS MODEL OUTPUT IS REAL>its just a tree ring proxy divergence problemthat's a hell of a way to say that the data was cherry picked to support a given outcome and it was torn to shreds by a professional statistician, and as of 2018-9 the IPCC still had not employed a single professional statistician>we spent our LIVES studying this!no those faggots spent their lives fulfilling the grant making requirements of corrupt bureaucratsif they didnt write their grant proposals properly and mention muh global warming, they didnt get the grantfunny when you knew some grad students that often bitched about having to write their grant proposals to tickle the fancies of the idiot bureaucrats who would approve themand then we get faggots like you turn around and try to say money had nothing to do with the bastardization of climate science"climate" "science" needs to be put in quotes like this because you are only partly studying the climate and when you've abandoned the scientific method, its no longer science
>>537181899you are confusing lapse rate with cause. pressure helps explain why temperature rises as you descend through Venus’s thick atmosphere, but pressure by itself is not a permanent heat source. a gas only stays hot if the planet’s radiative balance supports it. the fact that you cannot understand this is fucking hilarious>believed everything their teachers ever said without questionclearly, that's why I respond by explaining actual physics to you and you respond with desperate insults, thought terminating cliques and slogans regurgitated from the fossil fuel lobby>>537181976earth’s magnetic field has weakened about ~9% over 200 years, but there is zero evidence that magnetic field drift or excursions are causing modern global warming. Climate is driven by the top of atmosphere radiation budget ie., incoming sunlight versus outgoing reflected sunlight and infrared heat. the magnetosphere mostly affects charged particles and space weather, not the bulk radiative energy heating the surface. upper atmosphere electromagnetic energy is usually less than one to a few milliwatts per square metre, while Earths surface energy budget is about 250-300 watts per square metre. that is roughly 100,000 times smaller. I know you need your fingers to count to 10, but even you should understand of scale.>>537182184the world has moved on from fossil fuels and trillions are being poured into climate tech and mitigation. your petulant, childish whinging is pointless which is why you come here sharing your dog shit opinion on obscure message boards hoping to convice people that you aren't a worthless failure. but you still got bullied. lmfao
>>537181210>pre industrial CO2 was about 275-284 ppm, far below today. again, none of this is controversial, you are just a retard.It's a trace gas 100 ppm is 0,01 percent is 0,0001 of all. It has a very small absorption band in the infrared and nearly no transportation property due to the neglectible concentration. Water vapor is 100 times more in the atmosphere and has way more influence to temperature by itself. Btw. know people calibrating smoke setecters. They say they do measure way less CO2 concentration as the "official" value. Me trust them 1000 time more than science where trust ends the way a rat can spy.
>>537182677> the world has moved on from fossil fuels and trillions are being poured into climate tech and mitigation.This has to be ai hallucination.
>>537182677>pressure by itself is not a permanent heat source.>now let's nevermind the sun and blame co2typical tard refrain>earth’s magnetic field has weakened about ~9% over 200 years, but there is zero evidence that magnetic field drift or excursions are causing modern global warming.this is like saying there's 0 evidence the pyramids are older than 2500-3500 yearsall you are saying there is that>our models do not account for this and dont even include this premiselol, lmao even>the world has moved on from fossil fuels patently absurd>and trillions are being poured into climate tech and mitigation.Enron, Solyndra, carbon taxesreminder the chicago carbon exchange folded because it was that fake and gayreminder that there would not be an EV market if the globohomo agents in governments had not provided massive incentives to prop up industries that nobody in commerce was willing to make a bet onits one big swindle, retard>you got bulliedand you're that retarded you probably think you akshually won instead of just making yourself look like a co2 zealot that was convinced by his purple haired teacher in school that humanity is bad and poisoning the planet and science wouldnt lie because there's just no money incentive to lie, how could they ever do such a thing as fake data and fuck up equations to tell lies, that's just crazy talk on its face and is 100% un possibleyou've got blinders on and only listen to the globohomo cognoscentiits basically no different than Ghislane leading plebbitors around by the nose for well over a decade telling them what to believe and being the most upboated plebbitor
>>537182539once again. solar flares are not excluded from solar measurements, flare signals have been detected in TSI, and the measured effect is tiny and short lived. you can literally verify this yourself with a quick google search, but you are incapable of critical thinking and fact checking so will continue to double down and embarass yourself being objectively wrong.>shown to deliver a month's worth of solar energy in less than a daylol. off by absurd orders of magnitude. earth intercepts about 1.5 x 10^22 joules of normal sunlight per day, or about 4.5 x 10^22 joules per month. a very large solar flare may release about 10^25 joules total, but it radiates in all directions, so earth intercepts only about 4.5 x 10^-10 of it. That is roughly 10^15-10^16 joules at earth, equivalent to a fraction of a second of normal sunlight, not a month you fucking spatic monkey.>CMEsonly matters for radio, satellites, power grids, astronauts and the ionosphere. they are space weather. they are not a hidden sustained climate forcing that explains decades of ocean heat uptake.>IPCC still had not employed the thousands of scientists who write and review its climate reports are unpaid VOLUNTEERS you mouthbreathing retard. the National Academies review found high confidence that the late 20th century was the warmest period in at least the previous 400 years, with wider uncertainty before 1600 because older proxy coverage is weaker. that is how uncertainty handling works, literally basic scientific process. >MONEY1!!1!!! MONEY!!!1!!!the greenhouse effect goes back to 19th century physics, before your imagined bureaucracy existed. and if this were just academics chasing grant money, why did Exxon’s own internal scientists privately predict fossil fuel warming accurately decades ago? they worked for an oil company, and they still got the same physics.
>>537183234>once again. solar flares are not excluded from solar measurements, flare signals have been detected in TSI, and the measured effect is tiny and short livedthis is little different than "the temperature record" being primarily proxies that compress out all the transients, and you then conclude that there must not have been transients, or those transients just simply didnt matter>its just a tiny fraction and it only affects the upper atmosphere and satellitesreminder that we literally watched solar flares spin up hurricanes last year>th-they're VOLUNTEERSjesus fuck....UTILIZEDbetter, faggot? understand now?>the National Academies review found high confidence that the late 20th century was the warmest period in at least the previous 400 yearsyeah let's nevermind that little ice agethis is they type of misleading shit I'm talking aboutlies by omission>the greenhouse effect goes back to 19th century physicsthere's no fucking glass ceiling up there, retardsaying the earth is a greenhouse is a contradictionnot that you fags let that shit get in the way of your memes
>>537183074>This has to be ai hallucinationWhy embarass yourself like this? takes five fucking seconds to look this up on google and you retards cant fucking do it - "IEA estimates clean energy investment at about US$2.2T, almost DOUBLE fossil fuel investment in 2026" https://iea.blob.core.windows.net/assets/4fda38df-523c-46f5-ae75-49481abdc8fc/WorldEnergyInvestment2026.pdf>>537183204>lets nevermind the sun and blame co2the Sun supplies the energy. the question is why Venus retains so much of it, which you cannot answer without the greenhouse effect. >EV marketIEA projects 23 million electric car sales in 2026, about 28% of all car sales. subsidies helped, as they do across all energy markets, but pretending fossil fuels are some pure free market creature is comedy. the IMF estimates explicit fossil fuel subsidies at US$0.73 trillion alone in 2024. A more efficient technology that does not need to burn fuel to move will inevitably take over one that does. you denying this reality is pure copium.>chicago carbon exchangeIt folded because the US never passed federal cap and trade, so there was no binding compliance demand. you gonna shit your little diaper and pretend that the EU ETS, China ETS, California cap and trade, RGGI, UK ETS, Korea ETS and dozens of other systems do not exist?>purple haired teacher this is what happens when your little pea brain gets completely melted by political brain rot and culture war slop. you no longer see the world as it objectively is, you see it through manufactured tropes fed to terminally online losers like yourself. touch grass phaggot
>>537183888Bruce, you disengenous fuckYou know Estonianon is disputing your claim that the world has moved on from fossil fuels, even if she didn't make that clear. The world is still very much using, and more specifically, burning fuel and fuel oil. See: ocean logistics, 2nd & 3rd world car markets, industrial solvents, and so on.
>>537183888>the question is why Venus retains so much of it, which you cannot answer without the greenhouse effect.do you even know what gas laws are>that there's a market now btfos your statement that this market was artificially created by government bureaucratsall you're telling us here is that you have terrible reading comprehension and take away whatever you want to take away from the words written>the chicago market failed because people werent compelled tolmao holy fuck look at this retarded commie
>>537183888>you see it through manufactured tropes fed to terminally online losers like yourself.the sheer levels of projection going on here
>>537184083This is one of the more common aussies, though we don't see them here. This type of person will give away their firearms, import china and India, then beg their government to fix the housing crisis. The prison mindset is genetic at this point.
>>537182687>trace gasconcentration alone does not tell you radiative effect. CO2 matters because it absorbs outgoing infrared radiation in bands that affect Earth’s heat loss to space.>water vapourwater vapour rains out in days, so it mostly acts as a feedback. CO2 persists far longer and acts as the control knob: add CO2, the planet warms, the warmer air holds more water vapour, and water vapour amplifies the warming>know people calibrating smoke setectersIndoor sensors measure local air, often poorly calibrated. monitoring bodies measure background atmospheric CO2 at remote sites all over the world with rigorous calibration and sub ppm precision>primarily proxiesThermometer records, ocean heat data, satellites and reanalyses measure the modern climate directly. proxy reconstructions for older records are additional supporting evidence, not the foundation of greenhouse attribution>solar flares spin up hurricanessolar activity during hurricanes disrupts communications during disasters. flares did not cause the hurricanes. hurricane intensification is explained by sea surface temperature, wind shear, moisture, pressure structure and storm organisation. the fact that I have to explain this shit to you is so funny>little ice age!!!!11!that 400 year window includes the latter half of the Little Ice Age. you are objecting with a period already inside the comparison, dumb nigger.>there's no fucking glass ceiling up therewow!!! great observation lil buddy! did you know that the "big bang" was not a literal explosion? that “black holes” are not actual holes? that “continental drift” is not continents floating around like pool toys? taking a metaphor literally because the actual mechanism beat you is comedy
>>537184242that's the problem with commies and lefttards, they simply kneejerk obey any authority and make sure to kowtow as their beta mindset dictatesliterally got to the point of them ignoring the scientific methodI realize baby probably just very recently graduated and is very happy about receiving the globohomo schooling stamp of approval, but he hasnt been around to see how this all came about over the last 35-40 years or realize that the climate fags were always 100% sure of their perpetually unproven assertions no matter how much they changed over the years
>>537184019it makes sense that the american schooling system is so shit because none of you can fucking read. an emergent technology scaling from almost nothing to literally double the investment in the incumbent energy source that has been used for over 200 hundred years in the span of a few decades is perfectly consistent with my statement that "the world has moved on from fossil fuels and trillions are being poured into climate tech and mitigation" I didn't say that investment in fossil fuels has been discontinued. even a dumb fucking monkey can see where the world is heading. you have to be so deep in denial and cope not to see it.>>537184146uh huh sure thing bud. gonna talk about owning the "SJWs" and "Libtards" next? maybe le "femenazis"?>>537184083slinging around your favourite political buzzwords because you have no actual reply. kek. securities markets, electricity markets, water rights and pollution permits all depend on legal frameworks. the CCX failing proves voluntary credits without binding demand are fragile>do you even know what gas laws aregas laws explain how a parcel of gas changes temperature when it is compressed or expanded. they do not explain why an entire planet maintains a 465degC surface temperature for millions of years. pressure is not a battery. It does not continuously manufacture heat you dumb fuck. why does the lower atmosphere stay that hot instead of radiating away the heat? A: radiative transfer. Greenhouse effect
>>537184421>CO2 matters because it absorbs outgoing infrared radiation in bands that affect Earth’s heat loss to space.an by 400ppm the log curve is nearly saturated, with the rest of le warming being statistically insignificantbut dont let that one get in your waynothing gets in the way, not even science>water vapour rains out in days, so it mostly acts as a feedback. CO2 persists far longer and acts as the control knob: add CO2, the planet warms, the warmer air holds more water vapour, and water vapour amplifies the warmingat what point is this just pure doublecounting copethis is like watching that spinal tap scene where nigel's going...and if you just keep folding...then you get this...and I dont want this>flares did not cause the hurricanesthis is like saying the 2023 quebec arson was totally natural wildfireswhen you go look at the video of them sparking up in the wettest spring they've had in a long time, you just laugh at it>it doesnt matter that our statement about it being the hottest in 400 years includes the first 250 of it being during what we refer to as a little ice agethis is you lying through your teeth on a jewish tier of lying>i-its just a metaphor!>even though we use fundamental parts to describe something entirely different>lil buddy!go the fuck back to plebbit already, what the fuck are you even doing here trying to convince people of your plebbit tier bullshit for globohomoco2isms are globohomo>the big bang wasnt a bangthe big bang is just another very narrow view conjured by people who could not fathom the wholeit is correct, from a certain point of viewbut in a similar way to darth vader having killed anakin skywalker
>>537184878Are you in the language thread, arguing for the discontinuance of conjugation? It would make sense if you're that anon, since you're confusing "has" and "will" as in the context of moving on from fossil fuels. You could just say you misspoke, instead of your wall of cope. Yes, 200 years does leave a technology fairly established. In understanding that myself, I wouldn't make such a blunder as to say>the world has moved on from fossil fuelsWhich is what Estonianon seemed to take issue with (which you ignored and berated her for the easily verified climate tech figure). I then clarify, and you're still being disengenous and downright logically inconsistent. Your posts aren't worth reading any further, for me.
>>537184878>an emergent technology scaling from almost nothing to literally double the investment in the incumbent energy source that has been used for over 200 hundred years in the span of a few decadeshow long did it take for oil to replace whale blubber, retardyou ignore the point entirely then act smug>c-co2isms isnt a manufactured trope!yes it is, that's why we're calling you retarded>the CCX failing proves voluntary credits without binding demand are fragileno it proves the whole thing was bullshit and the only way anyone would rationally follow it was if the government fucking demanded itwhich is exactly what you're whining about, that the government didnt force everyone so that's why it failednevermind the part about if it was a good thing, you wouldnt need to overtly force people to participatethis is just you saying real communism just hasnt been tried properly yet>co2 explains why Venus stays hotlmaothis is just fucking retarded>no really, it'd just radiate all of its heat away and that 96 bar of pressure would be quite chilly without co2LMAOOOOOOOyou cant even comprehend what a retard you are
>>537184242>oh no not my little gadets!!!know that your weak, dysgenic little faggoty arms could not defend yourself from a mouse, which is why you desperately need guns to remind yourself that you're a 'man' and not a weak little faggot incapable of self defence and any form of physical domination. yanks unironically all should get the rope like the halfbreed nigger mutts you are, you're too fat and weak to be allowed to live.>>537184466>commie!! leftard!!!!! beta male!!cringe>ignoring the scientific methodYou ignoring the predictions that were testable, ignoring the observations that confirmed them, and replacing the whole thing with “waaaa waaaaa everyone smarter than me is a bureaucratic cultist” very interesting scientific method
>>537185303>its ok if I ignore the scientific method and stick by my sandbox model, saying its real reality>but if you point out any of its failings, you're just copingthere's no arguing with tards
>>537185303Okay. You're a weird person. Just respond to my other post, since you're struggling with all the sensory input you're getting. Hopefully the internet wherever you're renting holds up long enough for the post to reach me.
>>537184931>400ppm the log curve is nearly saturatedwhere do you fucking tards recycle these lines from? I've only heard this one a thousand times. literal sheep behaviour. you don't understand atompsheric physics yet parrot this like like retard and think you "won". logarithmic” does not mean saturated. it means each doubling adds roughly similar forcing. going from 280 ppm to 560 ppm is not “statistically insignificant”. literally nothing you are bringing up is remotely challenging or requires effort to correct. the fact that you think you're in the know with hard hitting questions completely unknown to climate scientists is corny as fuck>double countingfeedback is not double counting. If CO2 warms the atmosphere, warmer air holds more water vapour, and that water vapour causes additional warming. that is a feedback loop. basic systems thinking. by your retard logic, saying “a microphone causes feedback through a speaker” is double counting sound>solar flares caused da hurricanes!!!if solar flares “spun up hurricanes,” you should be able to show the mechanism, energy budget and attribution literature. you cannot, so you changed the subject to Quebec wildfire arson conspiracy sludge. lmao. that arson case was a tiny fraction of the burned area. the major 2023 Canadian fire story was lightning plus extremely hot, dry fuels, don't believe me? look up the literature yourself>lying through your teeth on a jewish tier of lyingany way you try and desperately spin this you fail. recent climate changes are at levels unseen in centuries to millennia and changing at rates unprecedented in at least 2,000 years, likely many many thousands more>what the fuck are you even doing here trying to convince people of your plebbit tier bullshit for globohomoi don't give a fuck what you believe, retard. your life will amount to nothing and nobody cares about you. I am here to belittle, and mock special needs children such as yourself, because it's fun
>>537185782>you don't understand atompsheric physicsNeither do you, continue to use the navier-stokes equations to simulate the fucking atmosphere 20 years inti the future and proclaim you know what will happen.
>>537174154Wierd man. We should talk to the top contributors about this problem and get them to stop.India wont capitulate though so i guess its either extermination or it becomes the white mans burden yet again.
>>537185223arguing precise semantics because you have nothing of value to say. global capital investment has structurally shifted toward clean energy even while the existing energy system remains fossil heavy. your autismo cope will not change that reality. gtfo now faggot stop wasting my time>>537185224whale oil was not the incumbent energy system in the way fossil fuels are now. it was mainly an illumination and lubricant input. kerosene replacing whale oil in lamps is not equivalent to replacing coal, oil and gas across electricity, transport, heat, heavy industry, petrochemicals and agriculture>proves the whole thing was bullshit and the only way anyone would rationally follow it was if the government fucking demanded itstill confusing voluntary demand with market validity. If nobody is required to buy a permit for an externality, demand is weak. property rights, securities markets, electricity markets, water rights, fishing quotas and pollution permits all exist because law defines the commodity, the obligation and the enforcement. what does that have to do with muh communism you propagandised retard? oh right, you think and feel in buzzwords when your little feelings are hurt. cute.>this is just fucking retarded5th time now: gas laws explain the lapse rate. they do not explain the planetary energy budget. pressure does not continuously create heat. the Sun supplies energy, and radiative transfer controls how easily heat escapes. venus stays that hot because its massive CO2 atmosphere is highly infrared opaque. you are stopping where the physics starts and pretending that you've discovered something. >>537185556Just respond to my other postIm juggling four of you children at once, be patient and wait your turn my mentally handicapped tard
>>537174154>muh climate change!!stop being indian-phobic. we need high skilled h1b pajeets working at 7/11 to compete with china and those h1bs need to be able to pollute every river.
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Oh great climate changeists what is your proposed solution to climate change? What I have heard from your comrades is we swap over to just wind and solar power and every takes public transit while also paying carbon taxes. I say that’s communist bullshit and if you want to leave natural gas, oil and coal you swap to nuclear and hydroelectric power and not impose carbon taxes but that alas makes me a fascist.
>>537185930>navier stokesNavier Stokes chaos means you cannot predict the exact weather on a specific day 20 years from now. Nobody serious claims otherwise. same reason you cannot predict the exact roll of one die 20 years from now, but you can predict the average outcome of a million rolls if the die is loaded. initial condition chaos destroys exact weather forecasts but does not erase forced climate trends. the 1979 Charney report estimated about 1.5 to 4.5degC warming for doubled CO2.the 1990 IPCC projections implied roughly 0.15 to 0.3 deg C per decade for 1990-2005, and the observed value came in around 0.2degC per decade. you may now commence your pathetic cope. go
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>>537174905Probably true.We had a little heatwave earlier in May but it's been 16, 17°C throughout June.Easily 8 degrees lower than it's supposed to be.They're now warning for a massive heatwave rolling in to come cook people alive in their beds at night. I took a look on zoom dot earth and saw it's barely 26°C in two days. The French have it hotter but they always do.
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>>537186259There's nothing of value I can offer you, Bruce. You and I don't have comparable sets of value. See: you renting, subject to your governments whims and fanatically dedicated to pushing their narrative. It's no surprise you can't stay on track, your internal logic is too inconsistent to talk with actual people.
>>537186458>i dont like communist bullshit except when private companies take the profit and make the public eat the health costs, pollution costs, climate damages, disaster recovery, military risk, stranded infrastructure and fossil fuel subsidiesweird take>we MUST build either renewables or nuclear, but not both!!that doesn't make you a fascist, just a retard parroting a false dichotomy. crying over what is essentially free energy from the fucking sun has got to be one of the most pathetic examples of cuckery I've ever encountered. why be free when you can rely on a centralised power source for all your needs, right?
whatever happened to the ozone layer bursting? thought the sun was going to burn us to death by now??
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>>537175653Greenhouses already use artificial microbiomes where they double the CO2 ppm in order to double the growth rate.Interestingly, they didn't have to make any adjustments to the temperature inside those greenhouses after starting that practice. The CO2 made no difference.Now, teachers rather keen to teach you in school that greenhouses are sustainable and good for the economy and wonderful, but they won't tell you that they're hard evidence for CO2 being a huge big nothingburger in the climate change scheme.In fact, CO2 would improve forestation, it would combat desertification, and because it would help fight back the deserts, more warm land would be covered by heatsoaking forests and cool down.In other words CO2 causes cooling, indirectly.
>>537186471>the 1979 Charney report estimated about 1.5 to 4.5degC warming for doubled CO2.the 1990 IPCC projections implied roughly 0.15 to 0.3 deg C per decade for 1990-2005, and the observed value came in around 0.2degC per decade. you may now commence your pathetic cope. goWith enough predictions any outcome will have a prediction that predicted thar outcome. What about the many others that did not fit? It's easy to say they were wrong post facto.If you know the outcome you want you can always create a model that predicts that outcome.I refuse to belive any prediction based on navier stokes years into the future has any real value with the geoengineering going on, cloud seeding, solar and wind farms being built or not being built, sudden stratospheric warming and many other phenomenon and effects that aren't taken into account and can't be taken into account.
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>>537186721Of course I am a fool for seeing how EVERY green party openly despises nuclear power and is not that favorable towards hydro. I despise wind because of its insane inefficiency and the fact the blades get dumped into landfills and if we limited the deployment of soar panels to rooftops and parking lots rather than clear cutting woods and forests and yes you can use them on your property because I’m not a socialist faggot like the gay vegan jew who runs Britain’s green party.
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>>537187043>the blades get dumped into landfillsNigger that's peanuts compared to the amount of plastic shit we pollute the planet with
>>537187146>Nigger that's peanuts compared to the amount of plastic shit we pollute the planet withwho is "we"?
>>537186351>throws away the useless toilet.>shits in the garbage river instead.
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>>53718664175% of the ice that has melted away from Antarctica between 1970 and 2018 all grew back in 1 winter in 2019.
>>537187146You mean jeets and chinks, right? I’ve never seen a single green party EVER criticize those shit heap nations for their practices especially the jeets, on top of that the jeets enjoy trashaforming wherever the end up moving to by dumping trash wherever they go because it increases their izzat.
>>537186679not a reply, you can't and won't ever address anything I said, and now have surrendered to making some desperate weak limp dicked insults. cya faggot>>537186517>>537186558>>537186582time for the climate denier slop spam!! lets all post dog shit propaganda that's been circulating boomer blogs since 2006
>>537187297>all grew back in 1 winter in 2019.that checks out
>>537187297Now hundreds of gigatons of ice are added every year.It's increasing in area, volume and mass.
>>537187338>climate denier slop spam!!
>>537187397I'd like to take the opportunity to thank Snow Hitler for creating more Lebensraum for us
>>537174203God bless the American education system
>>537174154Obviously this would happen. This is a quasi control system. The total energy of a control system remains constant over time. Energy can never be created or destroyed; it can only be transformed or transferred. Therefore, global warming on a large scale means that it is pulling the heat from somewhere and will leave cold blobs.
>>537187478>God bless the American education systemundermined from the top down by genocidal maniacs
>>537175932>all objective informationretarded vloggers who have selling shoes as their job and not understanding basic text are poor sources of "objective information '
>>537174154>No more North Atlantic Current.>No more "small-frog" songs in Sweden midsummer festivals.>Scandinavia buried under a glacier.In ten thousand years, archeologists will think you were 100% niggers judging from all the thawed-out refugees.
>>537186849ah yes, the unfalsifiable coping mechanism. when old projections are wrong, you say models failed. when old projections are right, you say there were “enough predictions” that one had to be right. so what result would ever count against your view? nothing>A 2019 study led by Zeke Hausfather (Hausfather et al. 2019) evaluated 17 global surface temperature projections from climate models in studies published between 1970 and 2007. The authors found "14 out of the 17 model projections indistinguishable from what actually occurred."https://doi.org/10.1029/2019GL085378>I refuse to belive any prediction based on navier stokes years into the futureyou are again confusing weather with climate. Climate models project statistical response to forcing ie global temperature, ocean heat uptake, sea ice, heat extremes, rainfall shifts and risk distribution. >geoengineering cloud seeding is local and limited, and there is no accepted evidence that tropical cyclones can be modified by it. solar geoengineering is not being deployed at global climate altering scale. and sudden stratospheric warmings are part of internal variability, again not a replacement for the energy budget.
>>537174460>snowball in handhahahah, we're led by 10 IQ morons. god i'd live to hang retards like these from trees
>>537174203Holy shit I fly over the arctic when I go to Europe?
>>537174154>eat bugs and live in the pod as a goyslave if you want to save the planet!And what about you?>Oh lol I intend on flying on my private plane, to my beachside property that I promised would be underwater a decade ago, eating gold plated steaks and 50 year old premium winesAny climate change nigger who doesn't live like a tibetan monk is a liar.
>>537175417We know that many positive sciences are in a constant revisionism state, that doesn't nullify them but it also doesn't make them immune to criticism like the powers have been pushing any time it happens to serve their agenda.
When AMOC fails:- "Northern Europe" is looking at agriculture/livestock collapse.- prepare to start importing all your food.- heating-insulation will be insufficient homes - triple-glazing, porches will be de-rigeur.- roads & town-planning will have to be revised to manage iced-roads- pylons and electric distribution will have to be upgraded to handle ice.
>>537187338I did once, and you were so histrionic I stopped reading your posts. That continued on from there; maybe you can take it on the chin and learn from your mistakes here? Cya, prisoner.
>>537187752This is what should piss normal people off the most about these climate change swine, every last one of them is an egomaniacal slob who wants to rule as a feudal lord over the goyim. You could easily solve climate change by sterilizing jeets and nigs because chinks did that to themselves already and not have to eat ze bugs.
>>537174860>wheel out expert>call him a moron>wheel out scientist >call him paid shill>wheel out any body else>”omg why can’t you get an expert”You niggas never once cared about facts,
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>>537187043build nuclear where it is viable. build hydro where geography and ecology allow it. also build wind, solar, grids and storage where they are cheaper and faster. it isn't a fucking purity contest holy shit>despise wind because of its insane inefficiencysee this how I know all this angst is just your feelings and searching for a reason to hate something you have no reason to hate because the political tribe you have tied yourself to demands it. wind is free. the relevant question is cost per delivered MWh, and onshore wind is one of the cheapest new sources of electricity in the world.>blades get dumped into landfillsabout 85-90% of a turbine’s mass is already recyclable and the blade issue is the remaining hard bit being solved through recycling, repowering and design changes.>rather than clear cutting woodsutility solar can go on degraded land, brownfields, low value land, agrivoltaic sites and other low conflict areas. no new land required. try thinking and not just harbouring culture war-esque misdirected resentment and you may just land on a salient point
>>537174792the atlantic and the pacific are connected by the waters under south america. "it's not the pacific! it's the western atlantic!!!"this is why trannies like you shouldn't be able to vote
>>537187478I'm only ITT because I hoped>>537182161 would back up his retarded statement. I don't care to read what that sperging Bruce is posting - I might agree with it, but he posts like a fag and his shit's all retarded.
If global warming doesn’t exist why are all the global super powers trying to take over the arctic?
>>537174682I remember the global cooling scare in the 60s and 70s.
>>537185782>what do you mean, an asymptote's increase gets smaller and smaller the further up the asymptote you goare you really this retarded that you do not understand this basic fact?no wonder you tards believe fake shit>feedback is not double countingthe earth is dominated by negative feedbacks and that is why the climate is stable, retard>if solar flares “spun up hurricanes,” you should be able to show the mechanismliterally watched incoherent systems assemble rapidly, right on the heels of flares. more than once or twice.but dont let real world observations sway your beliefs
tl;dr: algebra vs official truth, algebra won
>>537174750Let's not forget the hole in the ozone layer.
>>537186259>still confusing voluntary demand with market validity.0 market demand, 0 market validityuntil globohomo agents provided tons of cashyou arent getting around this fact>no its all co2 for venus, it would be plenty cool if not for all that co2you're just dumb
>>537175631you are actually dumb and retarded. if you wonder why the EU has to put those shocking images on cigarette packs, it's because you're actually a fucking retard who doesn't know shit and you have to be treated like a child. when shit will go down it you'll pretend none of this happened and say "ee couldn't have done anything about it anyway" because you are in fact stupid
>>537175228so much of leftranny's understanding of the world predicates itself on the fact that the earth will never change for literally any reason. they don't understand that the earth is constantly changing. there's a barrier island off the east US coast that used to rise about 2 feet about the ocean surface. it has more recently began to disappear. leftrannies attribute this to the ocean rising as opposed to natural erosion.
>>537174825>it would make much of the weather in yurop catastrophically colderWinter-Chan finally wins.
>>537186471>our 1990 models were akshually right>even though we admitted they were underdevelopedaccidentally getting a number correct doesnt mean your model has predictive capability, retard
>>537187897>you were so histrionic I stopped reading your postsno you didn't. you realised that you were getting dog walked, ran out of talking points to regurgitate, and instead of being a big boy and admitting you were a brainwashed little bitch, you decided to be lazy and sling insults instead as a last resort. I bet your hands were shaking as you wrote this you wimpy little faggot. hahahaha>Cya, prisonerholy cornball. is this what passes for a "burn" for americmutts?
>>537187973OK, name one real climate expert, and one real climate scientist.
>>537175745NASA doesn't have a say in if Pluto is a planet or not.
>>537186722>whatever happened to the ozone layer bursting?once we discovered that the chapman cycle applied to the upper atmosphere, talk of the ozone layer vanished
>>537188246You really don't get it. Hopefully one day you'll understand
>>537187808Oh no, the temperature and climate here will be just like Halifax, what will we dooooo *closes window at -5°C"
>>537174154>WEATHER IS... LE CHANGE? OMG I'M GOING INSANE AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH BILLION DOLLAS PAID LOBBY (((SCIENTISTS))) HELP ME!
>>537188046>wind, solar, grids and storageAll of those are more ecologically damaging than so-called climate change. And suppose we cover the planet with solar arrays, windmills and storage batteries, and the climate continues to warm? Gonna remove all that ugly, ecologically destructive junk and just accept nature?
>>537188046>build nuclear where it is viable.you're not fully on board with the globohomo agenda, comradenuclear is verboten, we need to bolster technologies that allow new swindles to take place so that the bureaucrats and their cronies can take advantage of itits not real communism if there's not moar equal animals, after all
>>537188296>instead of being a big boy and admitting you were a brainwashed little bitchnow that's rich
>>537175228The reason for such denials is the abuse of science and all the DELIBERATE category mistakes by authorities and their minions. Even pulling the “science” card, a trend of our age, is a category mistake when it’s treated as a final authority that settles any kind of question, it’s not an ethical, political, metaphysical, legal authority, and isn’t a total wordlview that replaces all other forms of reasoning. All this scientism is turning out to be most retarded and destructive cult in the history of cults, and the first victim of it is science itself.
>>537188046Congratulations every climate changeist will now call you a fascist reactionary for your support of nuclear power. Have fun in the repurposed COVID camps.
>>537187464yeah, nobody cares or is interested in your pathetic little spam of screenshots trying to misinform and take random shit out of context. kys tranny>>537188150lol holy shit, three times now and you still can't fucking read. CO2 forcing is logarithmic, not asymptotically zero at 400 ppm. >earth is dominated by negative feedbacksstabilising feedback does not mean no warming. it means after extra forcing, the system warms until outgoing energy balances incoming energy again. new equilibrium and a higher temperature. that is basic energy budget mechanics. >the climate is stable, retardkek>>537188218>securities markets, fishing quotas, water rights, electricity markets, zoning, property deeds and pollution permits are all fake because they depend on lawyep>you're just dumba literal "uh uh no u!!" response. the sad whimper of a loser who has nothing left but to double down and mindlessly chant slogans. why engage with this thread if you don't know what the fuck you're saying, mutt?
>>537174294The Earth oil was going to run out in the 70sBy 2000 the hole in the ozone meant we would all dieBy 2010 all the glaciers were going to be meltedThe stupid shit never ends
>>537188843>I just react to things and never investigate why
>>537186471its hilarious that you have to resort to 1990 or 2004 models to say see we hit a datapointreminder that once cosmic rays could no longer be ignored and they tried including them in the v6 models, they broke ridiculously and made even moar shit predictions to the point where you dont even reference the latest models, you have to go back 20-35 years to say your model hit a datapoint
>>537174154I don't get this greenniggers, is the world is going tonburnnitself or get super cold? They can't decide what will be.
>>537188797>lol holy shit, three times now and you still can't fucking read. CO2 forcing is logarithmic, not asymptotically zero at 400 ppmyou still cant understand wordsare you an abbo or something?the point around where co2's contribution become statistically insignificant is right there, dumb faggotbut we get it, you can only write disingenuous things and cant face reality
>>537188797>securities markets, fishing quotas, water rights, electricity markets, zoning, property deeds and pollution permits are all fake because they depend on lawyou're a faggotNOBODY PARTICIPATED AND IT FOLDED BECAUSE IT MADE NO SENSE FOR ANYONE TO PARTICIPATEyou dumb fuckyour only bitch is that the gov didnt enforce itso trot out some completely unrelated shit and try to make a point because you have NONE
>>537188290a 1990 model does not need 2026 cloud microphysics to know that adding greenhouse gases reduces outgoing infrared radiation and warms the system you turd brained faggot. Hausfather et al. results are the opposite of “accidentally getting a number correct.” It is an out of sample test across decades of published projections. you are refusing to accept reality because it hurts your delicate little feelings.>All of those are more ecologically damaging than so-called climate changejust a complete outright and blatant lie. impacts of renewables are local, siting dependent and manageable. climate change is global, cumulative and already damaging terrestrial, freshwater and marine ecosystems through heat stress/drought/wildfire/ocean warming/acidification/coral bleaching/species range shifts and irreversible ecosystem losses. if you're going to make shit up, at least make it believable lmfao >we cover the planetrenewables literally need a fraction of a percent of available land to power economies. what the fuck are you on aboutyou are comparing the worst imaginary version of clean energy against a fantasy version of fossil fuels where its widespread destruction somehow does not exist. I don't get it, why write this shit? just say "renweable energy hurts my feelings and threatens the imagined narrative I have in my head" would be the most honest thing you've said so far.
>>537189270>a 1990 model does not need 2026 cloud microphysics to know that adding greenhouse gases reduces outgoing infrared radiation and warms the systemof course not, because co2 warming the fuck out of the system to the point of runaway positive feedback is an assumption built into all of these models you believe are akshually real>across decades of published projectionsits like you refuse to accept that they are admittedly incompletev6 including cosmic rays was but an admission of thisand it broke the fuck out of the assumptions built into the modelssimple shit, you'd think someone who claims to have some intelligence would be able to recognize thisreminder all catastrophic predictions will forever be safely well into the future where the models break
Here's the thing, the cold blob is the result of the great conveyor current stopping it's normal circulation, this means the rest of the worlds oceans are heating up now do to the cold water stopping. Who knows what the fuck is going on, certainly not you monkeys.
>>537189007>when i use magic phrase problem goes awaythe effect is not insignificant post 400 ppm. under the standard forcing approximation, doubling CO2 from 400 ppm to 800 ppm still adds about 3.7 W/m^2 of forcing. that is climatically catastrophic>>537189103voluntary carbon markets are weak unless there is a binding cap, because the commodity being traded is permission to emit. without a cap, that permission has no scarcity. no scarcity, weak price, weak market. this is not hard.>im too much of a dumb cunt to join the dots to please do it for mesure thing, property markets require property law, securities markets require securities law, electricity markets require grid rules, fishing quota markets require legally defined quotas. and carbon markets require a legally defined emissions cap. that is how markets for scarce rights function. unless you want to abolish most of capitalism then you can't keep pushing this shittly little point
>>537174750>>537174688>Let's not forget the hole in the ozone layer.This. The ozone hole was the climate emergency in my childhood. Everywhere, including in Uncle Scrooge comics, the world was ending soon because of the ozone hole. Zoomers don't remember.
>>537189626fucky shit has been observed across the entire solar systemincluding shit like Neptune's giant storm reversing its direction in 2017but yeah, its human's fault (retarded)certainly the migration of the magnetic poles has nothing to do with this, its not like clouds and weather have any electromagnetic component to them, right
>>537189708And they changed refrigerants. The problem fixed itself in 5 years.
>>537188109Yep, my uncle had a national geographic about global cooling that he kept
>>537189596>runaway positive feedback is an assumption built into all of these models they project finite warming because they include stabilising negative feedback, especially the Planck response i.e., a warmer planet radiates more heat to space>admittedly incompleteevery model in science is incomplete. aircraft models are incomplete, eather models are incomplete, epidemiological models are incomplete. The test is whether the dominant physics gives skillful predictions. until climate scientists can predict the exact behavious and location of every molecule in the atomsphere in 2050 you will cry and whinge about how its "incomplete" this is nothing but a coping mechanism for you to deny science. complexity adds uncertainty around the response, it does not erase the sign of the forcing, the observed energy imbalance, ocean heat uptake, stratospheric cooling, or the multi decade model track record>cosmic rays and cloud hypotheses has already been assessed for decades. the evidence has not shown they are a major climate forcing, and AR6 assesses galactic cosmic ray forcing as completely negligible.try again,this time with more cope
>>537189680>under the standard forcing approximationyou spelled assumption wrong>carbon markets require a legally defined emissions capsince carbon dioxide does not have the capacity to drive the climate as James Hansen wishes in his wettest dreams, there is no need to have any sort of carbon markets or emissions caps.among the biggest issues with co2isms is that is takes the focus well away from real pollution, real environmental issues, and puts it on a fake bogeymanbut you're probably ok with shit like Obama & his cronies running away with all kinds of tax money, because it helps further the meme having these swindles aroundyou arent going to establish communism and it is only a matter of time before the co2 catastrophe conjecture is laughed out of the halls of academia for being as fake and gay as phlogiston
>>537189757Magnetic field reversal is highly likely, big shit is coming. I don't believe the c02 myth at all.
>>537189773it was already healing up from the chapman cyclebut sure, all those way heavier than air gasses just run immediately right up to the stratosphere
>>537188296I never argued a single thing with you beside the current world reliance on fossil fuels. Without reading your posts or responding to them, what adversary have you manufactured in me in your mind? You're incapable of reflection or recant, and you're subjugated to a life of serfdom by people weaker than you. Bit sad, innit?T. Sent from my 1/3rd acre in a desirable US neighborhood. It's so quiet with the middle school and elementary school up the block being out out for the summer.
>>537189920>this broke our models, so its negligibleLMAO
>>537189680Now run the math on how many W/m^2 get absorbed by the new shrubberies and forests consequent to increased CO2 levels.That's the problem with climate models, the scientists never run every single sequence, they stop when they find the answer they're looking for.
>>537190034>fossil fuelsthis is dog whistle shit to make people not associate such energy with the word hydrocarbons, which are churned up naturally or perhaps those lakes on Titan were massive old plants, lmao
>>537189986>I don't believe the c02 myth at all.good, you have a brainI dont think we'll have a strict reversal quite so much as a transformationyou can only press the poles so close before something gets squeezedexpect new southpole to form in the south atlantic anomaly
>>537189956>assumptions are physics I do not like!!it means a simplified expression fitted to detailed radiative transfer physics. that physics comes from spectroscopy, which is directly measure in the lab.>there is no need to have any sort of carbon markets or emissions capswhat a pathetic backpedal. you can't defend the point so you attack the underlying purpose itself. Carbon pricing values what is an objectively negative externality. unpriced pollution IS the subsidy. you don't like it? cry >only a matter of time before the co2 catastrophe conjecture is laughed out of the halls of academiaoh yeah, sure thing bud. any day now. that’s why climate change is in global treaties, national security planning, insurance pricing, central bank risk work, infrastructure standards and energy investment models, while your pathetic weak denialism cope is just a bunch of unloveable losers online yelling into the void
A COLD BLOB JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE!
>>537174154I'm still waiting for New Zealand and venice to sinkWhy hasn't it sunk yet climate fagget, even the artic and antarctica is still the same after 10 years
>>537190095the land carbon sink is already in the carbon budget and already in Earth system models. the CO2 concentration measured today is the concentration left after plants, soils and oceans absorbed a huge share of our emissions. the Global Carbon Budget estimates land and ocean sinks removed about 56% of anthropogenic CO2 emissions on average over 1960-2023. you are bringing up nothing new. try again>they stop when they find the answer they're looking foroh the irony
>>537190298Maybe. I think you and Bruce are both kinda fags and I haven't read your posts. Climatefags (on both sides) are cancerous blowhards that accomplish nothing but circulating USD. Without reading any of the 60 or 70 posts between you 2, the easy answer remains: nuclear fission/fusion to produce electricity, constant investment in storage and transmission of the generated power. Leave petroleum to its *extremely* valuable position in being basically the alchemical substance the old chemists wanted. We can eat it, wear it, screw it, why burn it? Nuclear electric is sufficient for hundreds of years of research into transport and all the stuff Bruce correctly mentioned we've been using gas for until now. I'm not interested in discussing the validity or efficacy of those techs this very moment. I am certain that our path forward isn't using hydrocarbons for propulsion or mechanical labor.
>>537174154Global cooling is real, chud. It's been proven to have happened multiple times and are called ice ages.
>>537190502>doubling CO2 from 400 ppm to 800 ppm still adds about 3.7 W/m^2 of forcingthis is just fake and gay extrapolationsreminder that the covid lockdowns proved for us that co2isms are fake and gay>what a pathetic backpedal.its not a backpedal at allI have been very consistent in showing you plenty of ways that the co2 catastrophe conjecture is a falsified hypothesis that can only be conjecture at this point by true believersco2 is not a problemit is not pollutionit is plant foodergo there is no need at all whatsoever to regulate itonly fairy assed faggots that cant think outside of the box their mind was placed in appear to not understand thisyou believe because it was necessary for you to get passing grades from the faggots teaching you and it is incomprehensible that science would be falsified by anyone in the co2 camp>sure any day nowit'll take some time, but it WILL happenI can say this with confidence because globohomo is dying and its fake and gay shit will die with itco2isms included
>>537190034"climate tech figure" literally no figure was given you retard, you're hallucinating somebody making a point for you>I never argued a single thing with you beside the current world reliance on fossil fuelsyou literally said, dumb fuck, and I quote "you're confusing "has" and "will" as in the context of moving on from fossil fuels" investment in renwables doubling that of fossil fuels indicates that we have, not will, or in the future, moved on from fossil fuels. I didn't make a typo, mutt, I meant what I said.>desirable US neighborhoodso you live on the most polished turd in the septic tank. america is a third world nigger infested shithole and nothing you say can avoid that fact.
>>537190817globohomo wants to rape the plebes for everything they've gothigh energy prices are included in thisco2isms, literally set up to establish a new tranche of tax revenuesmake it a big enough problem and you have an excuse to tax the exhalations of the plebesif there was a real effort to give humanity free clean energy, glowniggers never would have absconded with Tesla's inventionsbut as Edison and JPM told Tesla, if we cant charge someone for this, we have no interest in the project
>>537174294they changed it specifically to address people like you who see temperatures below 0 in mid May and smirk actuallyincreasing temperature worldwide will actually lead to Europe being colder for example due to AMOC collapsing which acts as a temperature regulator of the Atlantic
>>537191460our greatest threat is indeed climate changeexcept co2 has no capacity to be this threatthe sun is the greatest threat aside from asteroid/comet impacts
>>537187643>>No more "small-frog" songs in Sweden midsummer festivalsWhy would a random America even know about Swedish midsummer and what we sing? Let us be heathens in peace, please don't come here.
We're all about to die /pol/! Catastrophic climate change, global boiling will end us all. Only if we stop using cars, move into 15 minute cities, take the mark of the beast, pay more carbon taxes, own nothing, eat lab grown cloned cancer cell meat and import all of Africa can we reverse climate change.
>>537174154Planet earth is a self correcting system.
>>537174154Ok but this summer is already sweltering around the globe and it’s only going to get worse. It seems like each successive year it gets increasingly hot and each year some people pretend that it’s just normal, when it is provably not. And fwiw that doesn’t mean it is man made. In fact i think all the pollution and shit pre-1970s actually somewhat prevented the global warming that everyone talked about.
>>537191684It was 8 degrees yesterday, sweltering indeed.
>>537191663yeah I'll just correct us out of existence
>>537191684traditionally I get one sunburn a year, once I burn then I typically dont get burned againthis year I've basically been burned every single time I've been out in the sun for a long period of time, like 4x alreadythe only sensible blame is the waning of the earth's magnetic field
>>537190754So run the wattage math then.Show the equations and the formulas.Demonstrate how much wattage is absorbed by the new forestation.Suppose the earth becomes 10% greener, how much more W/m^2 is absorbed?That's what I'm asking for, not a "trust the process" response.
>>537174154Your wife is a cold blob
>>537191026>everything i dont like or unnderstand is fake and gayyou have the mind of a toddler. 3.7 W/m2 per CO2 doubling comes from radiative transfer physics, and the effect has been observed directly. see feldman et al. where there was an observed measured increased CO2 radiative forcing from a 22 ppm rise between 2000 and 2010>covid lockdowns proved for us that co2isms are fake and gaylockdowns did not stop CO2 emissions. they caused a temporary emissions dip of about 5-6% in 2020 while the world was still emitting tens of billions of tonnes of CO2. atmospheric CO2 kept rising because of the lag effect brought on by 200 years of cumulative emissions>CO2 IS PLANTZ FOOD!1!1FACE experiments and carbon cycle science show the benefit is limited by nitrogen, phosphorus, water, heat, pests, drought, fire and ecosystem stress. this is the type of nuance your little brain cannot digest. https://skepticalscience.com/co2-plant-food.htm>it is not pollutionwhen we pump gigatonnes of it into the atmopshere that the planet cannot absorb, it becomes a pollutant>I can say this with confidence because globohomo is dying and its fake and gay shit will die with itretard cope fan fiction
>>537174460>yes goy, you are so stupid. now let's build six gorillion windmills and another 6 gorillion solar panels. what do you mean with nuclear? REEEEEEE
>>537191737>my local weather negates the measurable increase around the globeEmbarrassing.
>>537174154>YOU CLOSED THE HOLE IN THE OZONE LAYER TOO HARD NOW THE EARTH IS GETTING COLDERthese people are never happy
>>537191684each year it gets progressively harder to ignore that we're fucked, but stupid/paid retards like OP want you to turn your eyes away from it for JUUUUST a little longer, until the only thing that can be said is that we can't do anything about it anymore because it's too late
>>537174154GLOBALCOOLING
>>537191225>that we have, not will, or in the futureBrief little demo of how greentext works for ya. That quote is what I'm saying is wrong. That's all I've claimed, and while I'm still correct, you've posted pages of ad hominem, not worth reading drivel. Sorry Bruce, work on it!
>>537191247Yeah, figures you'd think highly of Tesla. You're on the other end of the bell, but I'm glad you got it right enough. Protip: globohomo can't rape you without your consent!
>>537191818standard CO2 forcing is delta F = 5.35 x ln(C / C0). the 2023 land sink was about 2.3 GtC per year. A 10 percent stronger land sink would be 0.10 x 2.3 = 0.23 GtC per year. 1 ppm CO2 is about 2.12 GtC, so that extra sink = 0.23 / 2.12 = 0.108 ppm CO2 per year. at about 419 ppm CO2, the avoided forcing is 5.35 x ln(419 / (419 - 0.108)) = about 0.0014 W/m2 per year. so even a generous 10 % stronger land sink offsets only about 0.001 to 0.002 W/m2 per year. a doubling of CO2 is about 3.7 W/m2sources:https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/03/TAR-06.pdfhttps://pure.iiasa.ac.at/id/eprint/20113https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8134589/https://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/121628/1/halfwayCO2doubling_revised_v2.pdf
>>537174154Yah, but we don't care about climate change and saving energy anymore because we need to double our energy consumption for AI.
>>537191604Maybe because his great grandmother taught it to him from her family in their home country. American (whites) didn't spontaneously generate from the soil here. Or the internet.
>>537192445Incorrect.You are citing CO2 sink.I'm not talking about how much CO2 gets sequestered.I'm talking about the absorption of solar output through photosynthesis, you delusional derelict judeonigger.How much more W/m^2 is absorbed by the increased forestation.In a college/uni you'd be thrown out for your incompetence already, I'm being lenient.
>>537192367>That quote is what I'm saying is wrongI know what you're claiming is wrong. I'm reaffirming what I said, which is that we have, objectively, moved on from fossil fuels. it is a legacy system, a stranded asset and financial liability.>pages of ad hominemI'm literally the only person in this shit hole of a threat making substantive points and educating tards. try again>not worth reading drivel.buddy you read every word of everything I've replied to you with. miss me with this smug condescending semantic faggery>Climatefags (on both sides) are cancerous blowhardsoh please! enlighten us with your centrist wisdom. just say you're too cowardly to think for yourself >nuclear fission/fusionwhy? fusion is not a deployable grid solution today. fission should be expanded where it is viable, but it is slow, capital intensive and institutionally hard to scale everywhere at once. nuclear has had a 50 year head start and compared to how fast renewables are scaling it has been an abject failure. the grid of the future will be dominated by clean, dispatchable (mostly) solar, (some) wind, with BESS firming. your nukecel cope won't change that.
>>537186532Imagine thinking anyone gives a fuck what a canuck thinks
>>537187478I'm sorry, I couldn't read your post over the screams of your wives and daughters being raped to death by grooming gangs. Can you try posting that again?
>>537192995Not reading that, but the bump limit looms. Make it good! You can't help yourself, anyway.
>>537174154There's a cold blob of cum in your sisters asshole
>>537192911it doesn't matter if you meant solar energy captured by photosynthesis rather than CO2 sequestration, the math is still small.Using terrestrial gross primary production GPP = about 123 PgC per year. photosynthesis stores about 39,000 J per gram of carbon fixed. so 123 x 10^15 gC/year x 39,000 J/gC = 4.8 x 10^21 J/year. convert to watts 4.8 x 10^21 J/year / 31,536,000 seconds/year = about 1.5 x 10^14 W. spread over Earth's surface area 1.5 x 10^14 W / 5.1 x 10^14 m2 = about 0.30 W/m2So all terrestrial gross photosynthesis is only about ~0.30 W/m2 as a global average. if Earth became 10 % greener and that somehow meant 10 % more gross photosynthesis, the extra captured chemical energy would be 0.10 x 0.30 = about 0.03 W/m2. that is the generous version. if you use net biomass production instead of gross photosynthesis, it is more like 0.01 to 0.02 W/m2. for comparison, CO2 forcing since pre industrial is already about 2.16 W/m2, and CO2 doubling is about 3.7 W/m2. so no, extra photosynthesis does not cancel the greenhouse forcing. also, most photosynthetic energy is returned as heat through respiration, decay, fire, and consumption.it only matters for long term climate if the carbon remains stored which is exactly the carbon sink calculation you tried to dismiss. and if by "absorbed solar" you mean lower albedo from more trees, then that is not a cooling effect as more absorbed sunlight is a warming term.>In a college/uni you'd be thrown out for your incompetence already, I'm being lenient.lol, shut the fuck up faggot. I guarantee you have never taken an undergraduate climate or atmospheric science class in your retard life
>>537191973>lockdowns did not stop CO2 emissions.disingenuous tardhow do you even look yourself in the mirror being this dishonest of a faggot> that the planet cannot absorbmore disingenuous crapI might as well be talking to a christian about the existence of jesus and whether or not the council of nicea rewrote the tale
>>537191997I mean that's what you did
>>537193045>muttmerican tries to read something longer than 4 words and 2 syllables
>>537193412>disingenuous tard>how do you even look yourself in the mirror being this dishonest of a faggotimagine crying this hard holy shit. cope more niggerfaggot. let me know when your single digit brain cells rub together hard enough produce a coherent reply>more disingenuous crapyou need a diaper change
>>537193515Ah I knew you couldn't lol. The ad hominem flows, falling on deaf ears because you couldn't even exaggerate well. (you) have typed so much and had 0 to say. I'll admit, I finally fully read a post of yours; this one. As this thread closes, consider running for office, because you're perfect for Oz politics.
>>537174249Ive got a wet bulb for ya
>>537193412^{b8}^Why didn't that itinerant preaching homeless man from 2000 years ago leave more behind? Like palaces n shiet? All we have is all these writings including Roman records of his crucifixion :(
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>>537175417>climate change is real.>so let’s import billions of jeets and Africans into the west, using billions of tons of fuel and increasing their carbon footprint by 10x>also let’s move all manufacturing to countries that have 0 environmental protections>lastly, let’s tell white people that the only way to solve climate change is by making them pay trillions more in taxes so the government can pay “climate think tanks” made up mostly of fat women and trannies, who never do anything but come up with cool ideas and will donate money to democrats.>look guys! We solved climate change!!!!lol, lmao
