Poland juat doubled its F-35 order to 64.We already have the first ones.With all the order made (f35, 400 himars, 100 apache, 250 abrams, few thousands amraaams& other missles etc.) we basically sponsor a big chunk of burger arms industry
>>537198680>we basically sponsor a big chunk of burger arms industrypaid with German gibs kek
>>537198681> Poland is set to receive a record €43 billion this year >Poland’s nominal GDP is projected $1,13 trillion this year Cry more donbawue draft dodger
>>537198680>400 himarsWhat for?>we basically sponsor a big chunk of burger arms industryA sorry state of affairs for Poland
>>537198680>More EU givs that go to the US
>>537198684We all bow to the jew, for now at least
>>537198683To synergize with our 290(we have 150 atm) chunmoo
>>537198686Do you even have the ammo to reload all of them at least once? Or are they single-use?
>>537198687Yes and we even produce it here now, which is cool
>>537198680Ok, I'm not going to repeat the "Muh, German gibs" card, but hope you don't get played a three card monte, lime they did with germans tomahawk bulk order, or the Swiss F35 order. Drumpf has wasted s a huge part of their own stockpile, and they are putting themselves first on the list to replenish them.
>>537198689Mejor buscate un trabajo Paco
>>537198688>The contract, valued at approximately 14 billion zlotys gross, was signed between the Polish State Treasury, through the Armament Agency, and a consortium led by the joint venture Hanwha WB Advanced System Sp. z o.o., together with Hanwha Aerospace Co. Ltd. The missiles will be manufactured on Polish territory, with deliveries scheduled to begin from 2030.Ya don't
>>537198691Well we will then and very soon if the deliveries are ment to happen in 3,5 years max>>537198689>>537198689We already got the first f35s so it should be ok, they also opened the third abrams repair shop after usa and australia a month ago in Poland
>>537198683better safe than sorry or something. if the situation wasn't so fake and gay they could've just gave some of it at the very least to the likes of yours, but that enrages the monkey.if Ukraine falls and if for whatever reason the monkey in his infinitesimal wisdom and power decides that he's going further down the line, there's Poland.meanwhile the Turks tardwrangle the middle east, whilst having a identity crisis. idk wtf the Greeks do other than having experiencing a demographic crisis.i mean the stuff could be sent to the pacific theatre where they play Georgia except that Georgia fights back and they're gay for whatever reason.the Ukrainians are already holding them off to the point that the war is at a stalemate. possibly once they win or something the Poles might try and just send the stuff in to scare the monkey.now given that the monkey is aware of this he'll have two options maybe, try and screech in the hopes that they'll not move the stuff in or just indefinitely hold the line until something:tm: happens. the Poles could assist the Ukies with the F35s in a future conflict(???)(not this one DOE) maybe since the F35s are just that good or something. idk
gib me 1 f35 for me
>>537198693>possibly once they win or something the Poles might try and just send the stuff in to scare the monkey.When are they going to win?
Tusk just annoynced theyre starting to prepare a place for a pernament US military base like Rammstein but in Poland.I guess we bought it.
>>537198680>>537198681It's paid through FMF from the US. The US paid for it and Poland is going to pay it back slowly over the next 30 years [with EU gibs]. It's the same deal with all the Korean equiptment they brought where Korea had to change the rules so they could extend an even larger line of credit and basically the future of Korean banking and retirement futures is now in the hands of Poland
>>537198695I assume you haven't been following for some time now, since the operational and part of the strategic picture if very different to what it was in 2025.
>>537198694Wouldn't be surprised if a labour party nepobaby paki who was gifted a job with the MoD gives up sensitive f35 data to an Arab/nafri cunt because of muh islamic solidarity
>>537198699That would be based though Fuck ZOG
>>537198693We have learned the hard way that we can rely on ourselves for defense and defense production
>>537198699i said please so now you have to give me one
>>537198699da jews already jewed F-35 source code leaks and leaked them on accident (they were the only ones supposed to do it) europs can jailbreak their f-35s so they don't shut down when the software detects anti jew thinking
>>537198680>F-35Why? it doesn't even work. It's shit at being stealthy, it's RCS coating gets stripped away beyond mach1 at which point, once it is spotted, it's the easiest thing to shoot down. Plus the export model comes with a gorillion strings attached and reduced functionality
>>537198704If its so easy to shoot down why did iranians shoot down f15s but no f35
>>537198698Then tell me
We were considering buying F-15s or additional F-16s but I guess simplifying it to double the quantity of F-35 has its benefits.
>>537198705Because F15s were a distraction. It depends heavily on mission plans
>>537198708Hehe what duuude
>>537198705f-15s got shot down by kuwaiti friendlies. Not so friendly im afraid
>>537198680why is our government so retarded
>>537198711Post-komunistyczne standardy dla polityków czyli ważne żeby był swój. Stary porządek musi zdechnąć.
>>537198684shut up
>>537198706Well, the situation with military logistics is becoming increasingly dire for the russian troops on the occupied territories, as we have been scaling the production and use of middle strike drones. This is has become increasingly the case in the last ~2 months, after the prolonged SEAD/DEAD camping with aforementioned drones. Our analysts estimate, that if we stain and scale these efforts for the next 6 months, the russians will not be able to hold the line in the south.The land control dynamic has also improved this spring, to the point, where their rate of advance is negative. That is, we gain back more, then they occupy in a given month. Moreover, the impact of our strikes on their refineries and other oil & gas infrastructure is increasingly evident. To the point, where there is very severe lack of fuel anywhere close to us on their side of the line. The situation is most dire in Crimea, where the deficit is most acute, due to constant strikes on storage infrastructure and tankers moving along the land corridors in the south. Just today we set a refinery in Moscow ablaze, just 15 km from Kremlin. Also today, one of their largest vertically integrated oil and gas companies (Tatneft) imposed restrictions on fuel sales country-wide.Those are the just the key things that come to mind, but compared to the rather hard winter, things are looking much better.
>>537198714Imagine if the western politicians weren't a bunch of spineless cowards and allowed deep strikes on ruzzian soil from day 1. This retarded war would've already ended 3 years ago
>>537198715On the other hand, we would have a stimuli to develop our MIC as quickly and so broadly as it is exists now
>>537198680Poland will have to stay away from Greenland because those jets won't work there
>>537198717We're not interested in Greenland. We have a bigger fry to fry.
>>537198680Should have bought European arms. American products are too expensive and not trustworthy. They can remotely turn off those planes if they want to. They're a security risk
>>537198680poland is a much larger country than finland in terms of population and we already are getting as many f35s as poland is
This is all because of Lithuanian rearment. We cant have a ticking nazi time bomb near our border. We look with increasing worry towards the lithuanian nazi sympathisers and are gravely concerned with the growing persecution of the polish ethnic minority in the region.
>>537198719But at least they aren't indebted to their neighbours! Those Americans are known for their generosity, they'll surely not abandon them as soon as it becomes lucrative to do so. Those west Germans just had a skill issue
>>537198722Germans do the same thoughever and even lately hogged american arms investments
Was there a disinformation campaign as intense as there was for the F-35 for any other jet ever?It was literally like 30 years worth of active disinformation blasted across the entire planet and every form of media, 24 hours a day seemingly. Hundreds of millions of dollars must have been spent on it by foreign state actors and private sector competitors. They could have developed their own fucking jets for that money.
>>537198719>>537198722>>537198723as of now, there is no alternative to the F-35 that is equally capable. You can blame them for purchasing American HIMARS or Korean K2, but not over ordering F-35, as there is no alternative to speak of. Same goes for Germany, we will likely order additional F-35A and that will be a fully reasonable decision.
>>537198680I heard they can turn off your weapen systems if they decide that you're not cool anymore (are not doing what they want).
>>537198680cuckolds
>>537198724Just a jet by itself costs more than 100 million.Developing one is more like 100x times that money.My issue with the F-35 is it low load carriage due to stealth (load is inside the jet).
I polpologize that we bought them and that we didnt buy more
>>537198728You can carry more on the wings
>>537198726Europe doesn't care.
>>537198680>400 himars>polandjesus, no wonder russia goes apeshit over nato
>>537198732>96 apache
>>537198726>>537198731it's unlikely they would do that because that would kill their arms exports forever. Europe should definitely retain independent fighter jet construction expertise, but as long as that is a given, buying F-35 rn is a good bet imo (bet as in betting that the US won't backstab).
>>537198734M8 look at Trump and tell there is a retardation he would never do.
>>537198734>because that would kill their arms exports forever.It actually wouldn't. Americans and israelis can do anything they want without negative consequences and we europeans will still love them despite everything. Even if they turn off all the f35s during a massive invasion of europe.
>>537198732the 400 HIMARS seems over the top desu, 150 would probably suffice. What's more relevant is having huge stockpiles of missiles so those launchers can actually fire for prolonged periods. But idk, maybe they thought more about it.>>537198735Trump will be dead before all our F-35 will be delivered.
>>537198732They asked for that.
>>537198680And you think that's good? Terrible use of oyr money.
>>537198736>Americans and israelis can do anything they want without negative consequences and we europeans will still love them despite everything.not true at all. Some things are just a bit more complicated than black and white.>massive invasion of Europevery very unrealistic.
>>537198737They just elect an even bigger retard than Trump.Look at the shart posters. This is their majority population.
>>537198737>But idk, maybe they thought more about it.Kek, no
>>537198742>Kek, noIn the case Russia attacks, all border close cities will be ashed by them in a scale of minutes.
>>537198741they have an interest in continuing to sell to us, there are lobby groups that would likely prevent the most obscene retardation. But I can't see the future and I agree in principle that self-reliance is preferable, I just think in this specific case ordering F-35 is a reasonable decision as I laid out before.
>>537198680You're my fouvorite bufferzone. Keep it up!>>537198744Just buy it and steal its tech. Simple as
>>537198680We have 72 already delivered and I don't think anyone is really terrified of the RAAF.
>>537198744>they have an interestThere is that fag speak again.
>>537198719It's surely easier to figure out how to hack a plane than to set up the MIC to produce it from scratch.
>>537198680Pathetic
>>537198724>They could have developed their own fucking jets for that money.like the germoid said, agitprop is cheap but R&D isn't. itt is already filled with divide and conquer nonsense. if they can get just one country to give up on the planes the whole thing is a little more expensive already.
>>537198739>>537198746>>537198749I polpologize
>>537198680You've made a terrible mistake, you'll be waiting forever. Fuck knows when we'll get all of the ones we ordered.
>>537198725European fighter jets are just as good as F35's and even sometimes outperform them in trainings. F35 isn't even made for dogfights, you need the F22 for that which america does not sell to anyoneBuy European
>>537198680Only grateful eurocuck cuntry
>>537198753Dog fights aren't really happening in wars anymore.Eurofighter is good enough to fight dogs but not good enough to hit strategic targets in enemy territory.
>>537198753weren't a few euro jets shot down by chinese ones recently?doesn't bode for the euro planes since the chinese ones are just copies of american stuff.
>>537198756Which ones?No Eurofighter ever been downed in combat. Only in drunk fly training so far.
>>537198757it was rafales during the india-pakistan thing, but i looked it up and apparently no one has officially confirmed anything to avoid izzat loss. maybe it didn't happen.
>>537198680spacex is worth more than your entire economy lol
>>537198759Shut up ho
>>537198680Isn't this thing like a flying school bus? Why buy them if Americans themselves refuse to fly them.
>>537198680Why are poles this retarded? All that investment is today's generals are planning for yesterdays' war. It's going to end up like when you trained winged hussars for WW2
Holy shit, the amount of fake news, manipulation and distortion in this thread is astounding
>>537198680you dont need 64 jets you dont even need 1 jet
>>537198761>>537198762>>537198764:)))
>>537198685>for now at leastForever, you mean.
>>537198764Do we need to exist at all?
>>537198767nothing does
>>537198767>Do we need to exist at all?
>>537198680Inshallah you get this early like 2035
>>537198684It's not the poles' fault that the US still makes the best weapons in some categories. If defence leeches like fucking sbane contributed more, then maybe they'd be buying European instead.
>>537198771How are those F-35 doing in Iran?
>>537198772The F-35s are doing great in Iran, what are you on about?
The problem isn't that there's too much, it's that there's not enough and still not enough ammunition production capacity. A lot of smartasses here have an opinion without knowing how drone warfare actually looks like and why or the specificity of Poland's terrain and borders. Artillery is still king of the battlefield and drone warfare is currently in a sword vs shield race of radio warfare tech vs drones. We have drone factories in Ukraine that produce state of the art drones but not on a massive scale because this type of warfare is evolving at such a speed that it's pointless to mass produce right now because tomorrow the drones might be useless. Manned aircrafts are completely removed from this so in terms of security of investment they are the wisest choice for now.
>>537198770But we literally have some rn
>>537198773>They're doing so great that amerimutts are returning home dead and piled up in Amazon vans.
>>537198776No F-35 was downed as of now apart from quite a sizeble amount in drunk flight training.
>>537198777>>537198772
>>537198778They do their job. I have no idea in the first place what the US even doing there apart from serving Israel.Tho it is still not the F-35 fault. It's a good plane.
>>537198776americans aren't being droned in the ass at industrial scale, HIVan
>>537198680We have 64 F-35. Also 1000 abraham tanks store in our mountain valves. It is a strategy complete. No joint experience in our colder regions because of Finland being deterrent. And also north fleet frigates are capable as fuck.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhkpnnEjMhg
>>537198774>Artillery is still king of the battlefieldUhmm akshually it literally isn't anymore. Artillery used to inflict something like 70% of casualties, but now it's drones
>>537198779>They do their job.At the very low price 27$ billion, I bet that if they buy 64 F-35 more they would win.>>537198780Rent Free
>>537198782That is why the important question is "why". It's much cheaper to use drones but it's not at all more effective. They simply can't afford the artillery anymore so they are forced to rely on drones only. Artillery is still king.
>>537198783>27$ billionThat actually is a very low price. You don't seem to understand how expensive developing such planes is. Lets say if we abandon developing plans for our won jet and buy insteed 200 F-35 those development costs would be split over 200 planes.If we have one joint Nato weapins development program arming all of us it would be actually the by far most cost effective solution.
Airforce and artillery are good. Eastern ukr and parts of western russia look like a huge spiderweb with all the anti drone nets along the roads and sometimes like a skynet tier war with wheeled drones driving through the road. Better to walk on foot then drive at times, its a „pizdets”. Tanks and apcs are used for pushes if anything, cuckcages work on a small scale tbqh hombres. Konstantynovka is ogre . 4 month rotations are too long, voulenteered my part as pole done my job not going back. Thanks.
>>537198786o7
>>537198784War is about economics. Resources are limited, which is why you have to put them towards the most cost effective uses, such as drones. Of course, drones aren't the king of the battlefield either, but they are more important than artillery
>>222369940That's the way US military exports work everywhere.It's basically a scheme to give tax money to US military companies without increasing the US military budget which gets fags pissy.>>222376575It's still artillery. Even with all the drone developmet most deaths in Ukraine are due to artillery fire. Drones are rarely used to kill individuals, they are mostly to target equipment.
>>53719877615 US soldiers dead vs Iran compared to 500k russniggers dead vs Ukraine
>>537198711>>537198712>vaginal discharges of warszawka whores when they can't perform fellatio on a german dickStay mad retards
>>222376359Yes, and how is it fault of the F-35 that yanks and their kike overlords are unwilling to commit to a full-scale invasion? You cannot force a rugged mountain nation to submission with air power alone.
>>537198781>Also 1000 abraham tanks store in our mountain valvesCould be useful in Lapland plains if used correctly and with proper drone shielding.
