question about Tariffs for all you Economics fags. :)"Austrians" will tell you "Tariffs only hurt the consumer".BUTT....if you include that the Tariffs are going as Taxes, that means those same Consumers don't have to pay as much to support same level of Public Services in their other Taxes.Its like "do you include the extra taxes in the price shown, like for gas, or do you list the price then add 11% State Sales Tax like Amazon and retail?"I asked my anti-Govt Spending, anti-Tariff "Austrian" Econ 101 prof that and it was like asking the Pope about the dinosaurs.PS-"well, they will just use that TARIFF money to create other harmful Govt spending" isn't an argument against Tariffs, only against Govt spending.
>>537202964That woman is a Jew, surprise surprise
>>537203178Imagine my shock
>>537202964Ceterus paribus thinking is hard once variables increase for many.It all depends.The answer is always, it depends.Otherwise you are retarded.
>>537202964Did he see her cooter?
>>537202964lefties push and fall for the propganda "tariffs hurt the consumer" and "immigrants help the economy" but also shout "DEATH TO BILLIONAIRES" and "TAX THE RICH"
>>537203178>>537203287Her last name is Germanotta
>>537202964That is disgusting.
>>537202964Lets assume for a second you have a stable government with a fixed outgoing expenditure. Lets not care what it's on (you can assume it's entirely beneficial services if you want).The government, by some means, has to raise the finances necessary to cover those expenditures.Thus the people who are 'opposed to tariffs', to be consistent, would need to be opposed to taxes, fines, licenses, fees, additional money printing, and any other mechanism the government uses to extract wealth from individuals.It's pretty easy absurdism to prove: so instead of a 20% tariff, you have a 20% sales tax. The sales tax is worse because it includes the retail profit margin and the middle-man costs as well (tariffs are only on unit cost prices, not final-point-of-sale prices).Lets say you have a $100 Chinese electronic you're importing, ask them, would they rather:A) Pay 20% tariff on a good when you initially import it (that's $120), orB) Pay 20% sales tax after the retail outlet has increased the shop floor price to factor in wage and rental costs to say $150 (meaning total you pay $180, that's +$30 in taxes)?Anyone with a working brain chooses a tariff.
>>537202964i would like to see her pussy, but without the pee part
>>537202964I... i dont like the new linkin park.
>>537203482And? It’s not inaccurate. The issue is the fact that immigration is done to make labor cheaper. If that were illegal, there’d be a lot less immigration. You don’t fix the immigration problem without going after the employers of immigrants.
>my austrian econ 101 profthey dont exist outside of mises from the 80s; academia is pozzed to shit. OP is lying faggot
>>537203482>lefties push and fall for the propganda "tariffs hurt the consumer" Lmao what? What kind of fucking leftist has said anything remotely close to that?Maybe in gringo land, the bizarro country perhaps....
>>537203302>Ceterus paribuseven RE Agents, who are the dumbest shits, since, like "security guard", its a "default" so called "profession" that people like newly divorced women fall into, will tell you "well, Flyover State A has low property tax but higher income and sales tax, but State B has other way around".Fact is, "on paper" cost of Tariff will be split 50-50 between consumer and foreign producer, but when you figure the Tariffs are collected as tax and displace the consumer's other tax burden, it means Tariffs are 100% paid by foreign producer.
>>537203798https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=aqdG7t4AAAAJ&hl=enNinos P. MalekProfessor, De Anza College and San Jose State UniversityNo verified emailEconomics educationAustrian economics
>>537203866why would the cost be split? i figure it more aligns whoever wants to do the importing; which means tariffs are exclusively held and paid for by corporations using foreign labor for goods designated to be sold domestically versus someone importing rare cars or a product that was never destined for a domestic marketone would argue the cost is passed to the consumer which is partly true, but the other side of the issue is supposedly spurs domestic growth.you are conflating tax payer, corp/import business and consumer of imported goods. these can be mutually exclusive too
>>537204195that is your prof or did you just google him? cool, didnt think any avowed austrian economists would be on any board unless they were hardcore keynesians rebranded as neoclassical (whatever the fuck that means, new old??)
>>537202964under capitalism, all state spending is designed to perpetuate capitalism. The tariff doesn't hurt the capitalist, it hurts the worker who buys the goods and the foreign worker who loses their job. You are debating which fraction of the bourgeoisie gets to exploit the worker,the domestic industrialist or the foreign importer. The worker loses either way.
>>537203866How many threads are you spamming right now?
>>537203632not really a valid argument, since in theory the Govt would set in store sales tax to WTF is required to cover its "fixed stable".What is valid is that Tariffs tend to be very "Low Friction" in that its easy to collect one big check from an oil tanker or ship full of new Toyotas, than it is to collect 11.5% on $1.27 nick-nacks, or run 5 diff payroll deductions on every weekly min wage payroll (and keep records for 7 yrs).
>>537204456>foreign worker losing his jobwhen the fuck has that ever been a consideration?? who gives a shit about that? if he loses his job, that means domestically someone gains a job i figure; that is a good thing
>>537204418he was, but IMO his "avowed" was a little too performative.
>>537204586>tariffs easier than taxesthe gov engages in both?? the tariff hasnt replaced any taxes im aware of, simply makes foreign made goods more expensive and in theory provide more capital to the gov (which wont affect anything anyway seeing as how our gov prints and spends anyhow)
>>537203698kek
>>537204700no one school of thought in economics will ever be "right"; all answers are generally a big fat maybe. its an inexact science but the reason austrian economics appeals to most right wing or those who distrust government is because it is basically occams razor in practice as it is a pre priori instead of a post priori study (what is true is true, what is true to be defined as such)i have a degree in economics from georgia state, it is widely useless except to teach others the folly of economics. its where i learned that if an economist has a recommendation you generally better off ignoring it
>>537204681or a wasteful job has been eliminated. win/win.
>>537204936>a priori versus posteriorii suck at latin and my memory is terrible
>>537204967true; most jobs morph into something else. thats the hope with AI but it could just evaporate an entire industry as well
>>537203698Lmao. Agreed
>>537204200>why would the cost be split?because it comes out of foreigner's "excess profit" AKA the profits he can lose yet still choose to "do the business".Of course in the Economic world of pure theory it will make him a bit less likely to choose to continue, look for other shit, etc, so in the "big pic" it will be shared 50/50.Say he is importing pipe at $100K wholesale at 20% overall profit, but is suddenly hit with extra $4000 shipping fuel cost, or new 5% tariff.But his USA based competition is also at $100K wholesale, and if the foreigner rises price he'll lose the whole contract, so he has no choice but to eat the loss, and doesn't react diff if its fuel or tariff tax.
what band is this? the guy playing trumpet is like "wtf why did i take this job .. oh well i got a mortgage payment"
>>537204781in theory, in our current state in USA, you could say Trump Tariffs reduce the need to run the money printer, thus slow inflation.
>>537202964Damn it really sprays everywhere for women. They can't spread the labia to aim?
>>537204936Economists repeat the dogma of "tariff's bad, free trade (really any trade) is good" because the current World Religion by WEF, Soros, etc is "Globalism" (for its own sake) just like "Diversity is strength".Uni today in USA aren't any diff from Uni in USSR that would tell you "central planning" and Communism is the empirically superior economic system.A different (Biz 101) prof said "its mostly not good to have local sources, but instead to have no sources so you start to look around the world for the best source of raw materials." Example was furniture factory. If you got local wood you start thinking in terms of using that wood, not in terms of "WTF wood is best for this type of chair".I submit that Tariffs are good because they tend to prevent relying on foreign sources, because that in turn makes you vulnerable to all sorts of shit outside your control, and that can be used hurt you. Like in theory, if Japan had high tariffs on imported oil that caused them to invent a substitute, maybe they wouldn't have started WW2 with USA.Likewise we now see Trump Admin in danger of doing Something Stupid, somewhere, over the choking of Rare Earth.
>>537205768Tariffs in America are used to support American industry. Not necessarily American business. If a foreign company wants to get around our tariffs, the easiest way to do it is to just set up shop in America. This only benefits us, of course, if we reduce immigration.
>>537202964>BUTT
>>537203547>>537203698Her name is urethra franklinnewfags
>>537206607it's a punk band from new brunswick. Canadian faggots into piss and shit.
Beautiful. If you don't envy that man youre gay. >>537203630True, to someone who prefers sucking dicks that webm must be gross.
>>537206706Thanks but im not gonna go to one of their concerts
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>>537206747>getting pissed on is akshually good, from a certain point of view!! kill yourself
The point of tariffs is to spend on local products that dont have the tariffs. But it only works of you do make those products.
>>537202964>"Austrians" will tell you "Tariffs only hurt the consumer".I am Austrian and I say niggers tongue my anus
All Trump voters WILL be gathered and summarily hung.
>>537207092>no reason
>>537202964Faggots like your professor just want cheap shit while ignoring the associated costs the society they live in pays ie joblessness. Theyre antisocial to the point of viewing everyone else around them (you) as literal enemies unless they can present an immediate benefit to the faggot. They then attempt to hide that fact my loudly proclaiming to be patriotic or for “freedom” which carries a cost of blood, sweat, and labor they are again against paying themselves. In a tribal society they would be the work shy faggots constantly talking and employing manipulative tactics to avoid working but now contemporary society gives them the freedom to obfuscate their manipulations under bullshit like “””free””” trade.
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>>537207092what the fuck is in the bottom
>>537202964No taxation without representation. Happy to pay a tax or a tarrif if my representative votes for it.
>>537202964How come nu(/pol) never looks at the history of Austria when (((Austrian Economics))) was being developed? Quoting fromThe Jewish Question inEurope:The Causes, The Effects, The Remediesfrom La Civilta Cattolica, vol. VII, no. XIV. 1890 (Oct, Nov, Dec) https://ia803100.us.archive.org/16/items/civiltacattolicathejewishquestionineurope/Civilta%20Cattolica%20-%20The%20Jewish%20Question%20in%20Europe.pdf"The Jews were bandits ten times over in their domination of the House of Austria; and took firm hold under Ferdinand I,brother of the Emperor Carlo Quinto. In Austria, they were permitted entry; and they remained there as servants of the Holy Emperor, up to the time of Tersa who favored them, and permitted them to go into various provinces. In the German countries, there was an interdict on their entry, except in Vienna; they were permitted entry in the reign of Wenceslas, on the condition that they did not exceed a fixed number of families. They were more tolerated in the reign of Stefan, remaining there because of other countries’ laws forbidding them to immigrate. However, the greatest amountof liberty was accorded them in Trieste"That's the purpose the (((Austrian School))) defend Jewish looting operations in poor Austria in opposition to the American, German and Prussia Industrial Model which actual created enough national wealth to rival the Jewish Imperial stronghold in the City of London. There's NOTHING of value ever written by Jews to the goyim. NOTHING.
>>537204936Economics is only good to study not as a science but a part of history and political science wherein "economics" is a polemical art used by the ruling class to justify their rule aka it's Jewish propaganda for raping the Goyim and Shabbos Rulers who also find common cause with the Jews when wanting to manipulate things for various political reason. There is NOT and CANNOT BE by definition be a "Free Market" because ALL economics MUST take place within a POLITICAL economics (man is political animal not a free exchange one) which economists DO NOT STUDY or understand in the slightest.
