>their American masters just got defeated, internationally humiliated and izzat deprivedWhat are they thinking right now?
>>537219465The Taiwan chinks have seen the writing on the wall for the last few years. Most of them are already doing extensive business with the mainland and probably expect a reunification within a decade. If Taiwan does this in a friendly and negotiated manner they will be able to create a more or less autonomous region with all kinds of special privileges. They'd be stupid not to.
>>537219803Hong kong economy literally imploded because of reunification.
>>537219960That was nearly 30 years ago and the circumstances have changed. There is also the factor of Hong Kong being formerly a British protectorate and having an economy based on that. The situation with Taiwan today is very different.
>>537219803They've been stockpiling arms and testing missile launches toward the mainland. That doesn't even factor in Japan is going to start eating chinamen again.
>>537219465Russia, with a lot more war experience, can't even take on UkraineA island invasion in this day and age? With a massivly aging and declining population? I doubt its going to happen, at least not under Xi
>>537219465I would be building a lot of drones if I were them.
>>537220076You are not a serious person if you want to talk munitions to use agains the Mainland. Japan is actually a reasonable industrial power worth taking seriously but they have a serious weakness that prevents them from becoming a real threat. That is energy.
>>537220112>DronesI have a theory that Russia is encouraging Europe to overinvest in drones because they've already figured out how to make radars to stop drone swarms. If you have such a counter weapon you won't deploy it until you are making your big move because the power of surprise against an opponent completely depending on drones would be enormous.As soon as anti-drone systems catch up the drone threat will decline significantly for major military powers.
>>537219465Negotiated surrender and merger with China. No other option really, hasn't been any real alternative for like 20+ years now
>>537220206The US would be supplying them oil. Putin literally about to get ousted because of the SMO. It would be foolish for china to invade. The best they can do is hope for peaceful reunification but chinese gdp per capita is stalling compared to taiwan.
>>537220300>The US would be supplying themThere's a big problem with getting that oil across the Pacific unimpeded, retard.
>>537219803This I'm not sure if most Americans are fucking retarded or if you people don't get the news. Taiwan has been moving towards peaceful reunification for years now, there won't be any shots fired at all, especially not after the Iran fiasco.South Korea isn't going to try anything over it. The weird freak in charge of Japan right now might in her endless humiliation ritual to suck off the US, but they'd get stomped pretty fucking hard if they tried and their country would likely collapse as a result being in the shitter as they are right now.I guess you also get retards like >>537220300 living in a complete propaganda land.
>>537220348String of pearls, chang.
>>537220404You should worry more about the Russkies and Norks in this case. If you're still impressed by the US Military then there is no hope for you.
>>537219465They are thinking that Xi completely purged all of his experienced Generals and appointed a butt-boy political loyalist flack who makes Hegseth look like George Patton to be his #1 General.Xi is far too busy purging and re-purging his command structure to actually attempt anything militarily. And by t he time Xi finally dies and someone less paranoid takes over, Japan will have re-militarized.
>>537220300>Putin literally about to get oustedPeople been fantasizing about this for so long and it's not gonna happen, not any more likely than all those constantly talking about how China is "gonna collapse any day now!"
>>537219465no one is safe if your country is relying on amerifats protection
>>537220485Yet somehow you’re impressed by chinese tech that copied from US tech?
>>537220566I sure fucking hope Putin stays where he is. If he dies or steps down whoever gets the seat will be way more aggressive.
>>537220300>Putin literally about to get ousted because of the SMO.Heard this one since 2022 but you realize that if Putin ever were to be ousted over the SMO, it would be because Russians want a full war with NATO, right? They wouldn't oust him to stop the war, they'd oust him because he'd refuse to flatten Poland/Balts/Finland.Especially after the Iran war, basically every source agrees there's more pressure in the Russian sphere to escalate. They saw the US (a much stronger power than Europe) fail to defeat Iran (a much weaker power than Russia) and are asking why not just bomb European production facilities. If the US couldn't defend against Iran's missiles and drones, who's going to defend Europe against 10-20x the volume of missiles and drones?
>>537220511Xi’s Purge of China’s Military Brings Its Top General DownThe ouster of Gen. Zhang Youxia, who was second only to Xi Jinping in the military hierarchy, marks “the total annihilation of the high command,” one analyst said.China’s top general, second only to Xi Jinping, the nation’s leader, in the military command, has been put under investigation and accused of “grave violations of discipline and the law,” the Ministry of National Defense said on Saturday, the most stunning escalation yet in Mr. Xi’s purge of the People’s Liberation Army elite.The general, Zhang Youxia, is a vice chairman of the Central Military Commission, the Communist Party body that controls China’s armed forces. Another member of the commission, Gen. Liu Zhenli, who leads the military’s Joint Staff Department, is also under investigation, the Defense Ministry said. Its announcement did not say what either general was alleged to have done wrong.General Zhang’s downfall — few if any Chinese officials placed publicly under investigation are later declared innocent — is the most drastic step so far in Mr. Xi’s yearslong campaign to root out what he has described as corruption and disloyalty in the military’s senior ranks. It is all the more astonishing because General Zhang seemed to be a confidant of Mr. Xi, who has known him for decades.
>>537220402> This I'm not sure if most Americans are fucking retarded or if you people don't get the news. Taiwan has been moving towards peaceful reunification for years nowWhat weird fake news are you getting in Ziggerland?The DPP has won the Presidency three times in a row. The majority of Taiwanese don’t even consider themselves Chinese. Taiwan is much farther away from unification China now than it was 10 years ago.
>>537220857“This move is unprecedented in the history of the Chinese military and represents the total annihilation of the high command,” Christopher K. Johnson, a former Central Intelligence Agency analyst who follows Chinese elite politics, said of the investigation of General Zhang.With the two generals effectively out, the Central Military Commission has just two members left: its chairman, Mr. Xi, and Gen. Zhang Shengmin, who has overseen Mr. Xi’s military purges. Mr. Xi has now removed all but one of the six generals he appointed to the commission in 2022.Mr. Johnson, the president of China Strategies Group, a consulting firm, said Mr. Xi seemed to have concluded that problems in the military ran so deep that he could not trust the top command to cure itself and must look to a new cohort of rising officers.He appears to have “decided he must cut very deep generationally to find a group not tainted,” Mr. Johnson said. “The purging of even a childhood friend in Zhang Youxia shows there now are no limits to Xi’s anti-graft zeal.”
>>537220888Rumors that the general might be in trouble had spread for days, since official news reports left clues that he and General Liu had been absent from a Communist Party meeting. But General Zhang has disappeared from view before, and a senior official is usually out of sight for months before the party confirms that he is under investigation.The speed with which General Zhang’s ouster was announced seemed intended to stanch the potential damage for Mr. Xi, said Su Tzu-yun, an expert on the People’s Liberation Army, or P.L.A., at the Institute for National Defense and Security Research in Taipei, a body funded by Taiwan’s Ministry of National Defense.“This could be a big blow to morale inside the P.L.A.,” Mr. Su said in an interview, referring to the removal of a seemingly invulnerable commander.General Zhang and General Liu were also the P.L.A.’s two top commanders for practical operational tasks, and their removal will leave a gap in experience, said Shanshan Mei, a political scientist at RAND, a research organization, who studies China’s armed forces.
>>537220706Are we still pretending that russia is capable of escalating? They can't. Escalating the war and including nato proper would be suicide. Ukraine isn't winning but Russia sure as fuck isn't doing much better. This is the same country that actually ran out of fucking gas in a country next to their border. They can saber rattle and threaten nukes all they want but France still has nukes and as we've all seen recently, you can't stop everything that gets thrown at you. They're not engaged in a meatgrinder because they want to, this is just how war is now.
>>537220511>>537220857>>537220888>>537220935>in full retreat worldwide>Taiwan will join China on their own after the US humiliation at the hands of Iran>melts down and starts spamming
>>537220935>“There’s no one right now at the highest level who has operational experience or who is in charge of training and exercises,” Ms. Mei said. “This is going to cut very deep, and there’s more to come, possibly.”General Zhang, 75, had seemed to be cordoned off from Mr. Xi’s widening purges. The two men’s fathers, both veterans of Mao Zedong’s revolutionary wars, were personally acquainted, and Mr. Xi had kept General Zhang in office beyond the customary retirement age of about 70.But Mr. Xi’s worries about the trustworthiness of his commanders seemed to finally outweigh whatever attachment he felt to the general, Mr. Su said. “I think this reflects Xi Jinping’s personal sense of insecurity, and that’s a major factor in his purges of the military,” he said.Since 2023, waves of top commanders, officers and executives for arms manufacturers have been removed from office and placed under investigation — or, in some cases, have disappeared from view without explanation.The first purges in that wave focused on China’s Rocket Force, which operates most of its nuclear missiles and many of its conventional ones. Ensuing investigations took down admirals, regional military commanders and members of the Central Military Commission.
>bloodless merger with Mainland China for eternal prosperityVs>continue to be a lackey to a lackey.
>>537219465I would die for Japan, Taiwan and South Korea.Hong Kong wasn't my deal.
>>537221079Many of the targeted officers had been promoted by Mr. Xi since he took power in 2012, vowing to cleanse the armed forces of endemic graft. But after a decade in charge, he seemed to have concluded that some of his own handpicked protégés had been infected by the military’s corruption, which historically has often involved taking bribes for contracts or promotions.The investigations’ toll on the military was visible at a meeting last year of the Communist Party’s Central Committee, a council of top officials. Of the 44 uniformed officers appointed to the committee in 2022, 29 — roughly two-thirds — had been purged or were missing, according to calculations made by Neil Thomas, a researcher on Chinese politics at the Asia Society.Mr. Xi seems to have calculated that in the longer term, his shake-up of the military will make it less corrupt, more loyal and more effective in pursuing his goals, like putting pressure on Taiwan, the island democracy that rejects China’s claims of sovereignty.But for now, and potentially for years, the disruptions caused by the purges could leave Mr. Xi less confident that his commanders are ready for combat, analysts have said.
>>537221127“It’s a dilemma,” said Mr. Su, the Taiwan-based analyst. “He wants to first get rid of these so-called corrupt people, but for the P.L.A., if you clear out these high-level officers, that means a whole lot of experience is gone.”General Zhang was among the few Chinese commanders with extensive experience in battle. The son of a general, he gained prominence as a frontline officer during China’s last war, a border conflict with Vietnam that began in 1979 and lasted for years. He rose to become head of the General Armaments Department, which is in charge of procuring weapons, and Mr. Xi promoted him to the Central Military Commission in 2017.“For Zhang Youxia, having combat experience — and being one of the only left who has any — has to add to his luster, at least to Xi Jinping,” John Culver, a former Central Intelligence Agency analyst specializing in the Chinese military, said in an interview before General Zhang’s dismissal was announced.But analysts speculated that General Zhang’s time in the General Armaments Department — which, because it controls arms contracts, became known as a honey pot of corruption — may have planted the seeds of his downfall. Other generals who rose through that department have also been purged, including Li Shangfu, a former defense minister.
>>537219803>If Taiwan does this in a friendly and negotiated manner they will be able to create a more or less autonomous region with all kinds of special privileges. They'd be stupid not to.China has offered to make them a SAR like Hong Kong for years. The idea is overwhelmingly rejected by the population.
>>537221002>>537221087Most cross strait relationships continue to be with taiwanese male and prc female. Until that swings I don’t believe Taiwan wants peaceful reunification
>>537221169Mr. Xi may need years or more to nurture a new crop of — presumably — trustworthy officers, and he must also fill the depleted ranks of the Central Military Committee.“To rebuild these chains of command may take him five years or longer,” Mr. Su said. “The chances of an attack on Taiwan in the short term have been lowered.”(So basically they need to retrain their whole officer corps, and that's assuming Xi doesn't make the new #2 get into the Spruce Moose)
>>537219465izzat doesnt exist outside of india.
>>537221286its fairly obvious they'd also get the HK treatment fast and lose their autonomy.
>>537220275shut up, retard. it's not a secret that you can counter cheap drone swarms with a microwave weapon. building the necessary hardening would make them significantly more expensive and defeat the purpose
tl;dr, China is caught up in a ceaseless cycle of purging and repurging it's military commanders, we are talking Mao levels of Purity cleansing, and Xi doesn't have anyone who's ever fired a shot in anger to run his military. And the Chinese were always notoriously poor at warfare.Go ahead, treat me to all the Chinknadian and Chinkstralian SEETHE you want, Facts are Facts.
>>537221087If Trump started threatening Canada telling them they needed to join the USA or else, do you think most Canadians would just go with it? Better to just give up your nation and accept peace and prosperity as Americans than have a bloody war. Right? Canada can be its own state so it maintains some autonomy but they have to ultimately become Americans.
>>537221375Now wait, I am SURE Xi's guarantees are just as rock-solid as Putin's....
>>537221571You're telling this to a Chi-nigger with a VPN, just so you know.
>>537221621You can tell they’re seething.
>>537221717They need to go re-watch the shitty Romance of the Kingdoms fantasy they are allowed, or some Wolf Warrior, and forget about any military action beyond bullying Flip fishermen.
>>537221522it's interesting to see how to paranoid the usa glowniggers have xi. they are totally exploiting the weaknesses of the dictatorship
>>537221605hmm
>>537221893Xi has solidified his leadership by executing and imprisoning everyone who even looks like a rival for "corruption". All of them have influential families with money and connections. So he's trapped in this endless cycle of killing anyone who even coughs at the wrong time, because if he tried to step down or even transfer a smidgeon of power, he'd be dead in hours.He's in worse straits than Putin in that regard.
>>537221375Even if the PRC’s follows everything to the letter, Taiwan would still be giving up its sovereignty and national identity. Hong Kong’s local government has more internal autonomy than any regular Chinese city but it’s still not sovereign. Its local govt has to ultimately submit to the whims of the PRC. People who say “oh Taiwan should just surrender, it’s the smart thing to do” often don’t understand what they are asking Taiwan to just give up. They would be trading their national identity and sovereignty for some limited autonomy and I guess peace.
>>537222504They already have peace, the mainland just talks shit. Hong Kong's bureaucracy is all approved by Xi's government, anyone who wasn't obsequious to the capitol was forced out. They have ZERO autonomy.
>>537222504>People who say “oh Taiwan should just surrender, it’s the smart thing to do” often don’t understand what they are asking Taiwan to just give up.That's completely immaterial to the question at hand. It is the smart move, regardless of what it requires, and every year they wait makes the terms worse. Same as Ukraine.
>>537225165How on earth is it the smart move?Taiwan loses: economic control of the world’s most precious and sought-after manufactured goodTaiwan gains: ????
>>537225165Maybe it’s the smart move if literally the *only* thing you care about is avoiding a war. Then sure, just surrender I guess. If you have other values like preserving your national sovereignty and identity then giving them up without a fight isn’t so smart.
>>537225698>>537226577What is the realistic assessment that America continues supporting Taiwan to a level that keeps the mainland away for another 30 years, let's say?If you grant that it's low, which it is, how does Taiwan win a war with mainland China without American support?
>>537219465They should just declare themselves a separate nation, get some nukes from NATO and ally with Japan and South Korea. Taiwan is so culturally different from mainland China, reunification would be pointless.
>>537226828>Taiwan actually wants to join China>why you ask?>China can take Taiwan by forceOh ok Chang, good talk
>>537227202This is not an answer to my questions and the greentext does not reflect anything I stated.
>>537226828If I understand you correctly your argument is basically: they are doomed to be annexed by China eventually so the smart thing to do is just ask to be annexed now instead of fighting it and maybe get better terms? Thats a fair read of what you think they should do and why?
>all you need to defend yourself from a world power is some cheap drones>this means that taiwan has no choice but to capitulate to a world powerit's the opposite, retard. both the ukraine and iran war have proved that the defender always wins in the age of drones.
>>537219465do native taiwanese hate all chinks?
>>537227345Learn how English discourse works before you come ono 4chan and humiliate yourself by paying the CIA money to post here using a VPNUkraine hasn't had American support for 2 years and as soon as the Israelimericans were ushered away from tactical decisions, Russia immediately started losing. Truth is, Israelimerica is looking to cause foreverwars with China over Taiwan whether they can win or not, There's profit and "infinite growth" in war economies. However, I can guarantee that the Taiwanese would fare better without Israelimerican "help"
>>537226945> They should just declare themselves a separate nation, They tried but the US blocked it>get some nukes from NATO They had their own nuclear program but we shut it down when we found out about it>and ally with Japan and South Korea. They both recognize China’s claim over Taiwan. South Korea in particular betrayed Taiwan by giving their embassy to China when they recognized the PRC. >Taiwan is so culturally different from mainland China, reunification would be pointless.This is an understatement
>>537228092What exactly do you mean by that?
>>537226828>how does Taiwan win a war with mainland China without American support?Taiwan will win a war with mainland China today without US support. That's why Xi keeps putting off the reunification project till later.
>>537219465taiwan will voluntarily join china in 15 years. most taiwanese are barely even opposed to it at this point>>537219960hong kong would have imploded anyway, it doesn't really serve a purpose anymore now that china freely deals with the west
>>537219803Exactly bro. If they actually worked together with the mainland, they would easily take over the rest of asia. Undercut and take over them.
>>537219465I think they're ready to welcome their new Chinese overlords. Not like they want to be on the losing side anyway
>>537219803chinese secret agent on a vpnor are you already living here as a sleeper?
Taiwan value is to be the Ukraine for China. Things are already underway for exactly this.>an increasing amount of weapon export to it>important manufacturing like TSMC moving out or setting up backup in other places like US and Japan>neighbors eating up its border like Japan and Philippines taking the sea close to Taiwan as their own economic zone>many of its wealthy already has assets and plans overseas, some in the mainland china, some in the west, ready to move out at any momentIf possible, they could become an obstacle that will bring down China, or a catalyst to unite everyone against china. Everyone is already treating them as a sacrificial pawn. Its birthrate just recently hit 0.56, likely the lowest in the world. How many years do you think it has?
