fucking stone age irrigation system https://youtu.be/lnqtrhUwoaE
>>537269835Yeah, built by Greeks and Roman's under their massive water systems
>Irrigation>negative relief carvings>Turkey refuses to explore the site any further lmao
>>537269835Genetic profiles migrate all the time. And tend to replicate their past accomplishments over and over and over again. It's why their pyramids on every continent somewhere.
>>537270307>Turkey refuses to explore the site any furtherNo, it's not turkey they refuses. It's the WEF. God knows why the WEF cares about the status quo in archeology.
And aqueducts with pretty complicated hydro engineering that we all still use today. Materials change but the physics and math used don't.
>>537270452Because the truth is then they'd have to have the awkward conversation of origin on the island of misfit toys.
>>537270307>negative relief carvingsExplain
>>537270362I don't necessarily disagree, but I feel like there might be pyramids everywhere because it's just the most reliable/stable shape to stack rocks into.>>537270463Makes me wonder how many other pieces of ordinary infrastructure we've assumed have some kind of great cultural/religious significance. Imagine what archaeologists a thousand years from now would think of a modern-day multi-layered highway overpass system if they uncovered pieces of it. They'd probably think it was some sort of artistic temple and wonder how many ipads it took us to build it.>>537270520Can't have anything undermine the accepted normie narrative (TM)>>537270618Some of the blocks have very perfectly geometric inset carvings that are thought to have been very difficult to accomplish with tools of the time
>>537270618It's carved into the monument, the momument is not carved around it.
>>537270362Pyramids aren't difficult. White Toddlers normally build them with blocks
>>537269835could you please kill yourself mohammad
>>537270844>inset carvings that are thought to have been very difficult to accomplish with tools of the timeIt's not just in this particular location, it seems this style is found throughout the ancient world but how did they copy each other? It's like a meme which spread and inspired everyone else to begin crafting and sculpting figures out of solid rock.
>>537270452>God knows why the WEF cares about the status quo in archeology.because jews dont want to accept history before theirs beganotherwise le archaeology would accept the full history of Egyptian kings instead of being ok with all the kings up through the beginning of jewish history, and everything before that is just a larp
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>>537270883Its carvings are actually positive. Meaning material around the carved image is removed in order to emboss it
>>537269835>irrigation on top of a tellRetarded hypothesis
>>537271447https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_evolutionit's like people being amazed pyramids are found in egypt and s. murica, when they're a blatantly obvious kind of low tech design for a large building made of stone
>>537270452I thought that the whole excavation pause was over now that the University of Istanbul had final say on it. Some german government group kept stonewalling more digs because they were concerned with ruining the site by turning it into a tourist trap
It was built before we were supposed to have been building.
>>537269835>>537270182tldr;Abrahamic retards conflated the Tepe Cultures with the persian gulf flooding, exposing yet another facet of the biblical larp.
>>537274011>nothing can travel faster than light\>the universe is allegedly like 25 billion years old>there was a "big bang" from one central point outwards>the visible universe alone is over 90 billion light years widewe guess at almost everything, often poorly
12,000 years old at least ... took thousands of years to get to the point of building them because you needed plans, writing, diagrams, engineering, math, planning, logistics, labor management, etc.etc. to make it happen
>>537274788they havent even figured out the proper shape of the universe yettoo stuck in their own conjecture
>>537274897>>537274788what is also "out of place" about it is there wasn't a record of settled civilization before it. we were supposed to be hunter gatherers.
>>537274987reminder that it wont be too long before the Titanic is completely disappeared as if it never happened
>>537274897>engineering, math>"wtf is "calculus"? anyway going to build a 75km aqueduct">>537274956to be fair it's kind of hard to guess at the shape of something you're inside of, when you can't even see one "edge" of it>>537274987>there wasn't a record of settled civilization before it.all of the earliest human coastal settlements are underwater since the shorelines were miles further out than they are currentlythe "biblical flood" that wasn't actually this globe encompassing 40 days of nonstop rain
>>537269835Why do hunter-gatherers need an irrigation system?
>>537269835>stone age irrigation systemhhahahahait is a old FOUNDATIONthen long after the building that sat upon it and the collapse of the civilisation that built it was gone their descendants that survived the collapse used the site
>>537275154every flood myth is a cultural retelling of the end of the ice age due to a comet impact that resulted in massive flooding when the ice caps melted.
>>537274987The answer to the mystery of "no record" existing is simple bro... The rest of it wasn't buried. Simple as is. We only know about it because some of it was carefully buried.
>>537275154>>"wtf is "calculus"? anyway going to build a 75km aqueduct"does anyone have this meme btw, swore I saved it>>537275243yes, but at the time, there wasn't much if anything for "written records" at all, everything to be gone off of is from archaeological evidence, all of which for the original human coastal settlements, including from much of mesopotamia, are deep underwater
>>537275154>to be fair it's kind of hard to guess at the shape of something you're inside of, when you can't even see one "edge" of itwell, as above, so belowthe torus is the most fundamental shape that existsa perpetual big bang at the center, this all explains the inflaton field, chirality, what came before the big bang, and "how will the universe end"I suppose this will eventually be proven when we start seeing blueshift out there unless those fags can figure this out before then
Modern Man is 400,000 years old. We were handed down primitive tools from our ancestors but honestly in the last 10,000 years we went from that to this. I bet there has to have been more than 1 civilization in that length of time. Then maybe a super volcano, meteor, pole shift wiped them out but maybe a few scattered people who had to start over.
>>537269835>irrigation systemOn the very top of a hill?
>>537273227So, people just so happen to start sculpting out of hard rock with precision which can only be matched by modern equipment because of basic forms? Maybe, but that doesn't account for their immense size and proportion, why would an ancient primitive people decide to perform an incredibly difficult if not impossible task when you may achieve the same purpose of building a housing with something easier? Why craft and stack these megaliths out of stone weighing in the tons instead of using much lighter material?
>>537275546>there wasn't much if anything for "written records" at allthere could've been, we just don't have evidence. but we have the records in the form of pretty much every flood myth and some foundation myths from the bronze age cultures. >>537275485wasn't all of it buried? they're still finding buried things in those hills
>>537274788>the universe is allegedly like 25 billion years old>the visible universe alone is over 90 billion light years wideThis isn't the problem or contradiction you think it is. When people talk about the universe expanding, it's not just all the stars and dust and matter expanding faster than the speed of light inside a big empty vacuum. The space-time itself that all the matter exists in is what is expanding. The entire frame of reference is expanding.It's not possible to go outside of it and look back and say "hey look, all of that stuff is expanding 3x the speed of light" because there is no outside of it.
>>537275708There's a shit ton more buried, yes. My point was, we only have a record because it was buried. We don't know how many times civilization started and rebooted. We wouldn't have known about this if they didn't bury what they did.
>>537275982>we only have a record because it was buriedOh ok yea I got you now. You were talking about all the other things that were destroyed and not saved like Tepe was.
Terrible video choice. Annnddd Shoa
Look to 1870-1935 archeology
>>537273116Gravity would be used to create a controlled irrigation system to the surrounding crops and residences.You can't even spell "hill", btw.
>>537275600>a perpetual big bang at the centerit's a supermassive white hole that returns all the data the black holes suck inwhy we've never found one, there's only the one>>537275694>why would an ancient primitive people decide to perform an incredibly difficult if not impossible task when you may achieve the same purpose of building a housing with something easier?boredom?in pre-written days craftsmanship was handed down word of mouth artisan to apprentice, a bunch of these things are likely multigenerational projectscouldn't write a book so had to do SOMETHING that lasted beyond themselves, a fairly ubiquitous human drive>>537275708>we have the records in the form of pretty much every flood myth and some foundation myths from the bronze age cultures.and you can tell they were word of mouth for extremely long stretches before being written down, since the details are seemingly all fucked"flood" seems to be the only accurate bit anymore>>537275851>The space-time itself that all the matter exists in is what is expanding. The entire frame of reference is expanding.the nothing is expanding, I've heard this before, yesnot entirely dismissible but as yet to have been proven anymore than the pen through the paper space folding thing
>>537269835why did they carve animals on the pillars, including animals they probably never saw? why did they bury the entire fucking thing?
>>537270362>And tend to replicate their past accomplishments over and over and over againsame reason I build the exact same house every time I start a new minecraft world. it just works.
>>537270452>>537270520>>537271682Wrong. Its because there are 2 seperste creations. One on "day 6" and another one post "day 7". If you read the two stories carefully you'll see that day 6 talks about early hominds and are described as hunter gatherers. Post 7th day, or Adam, starts specifically with agriculture. With the birth of agriculture you see the new blood type A come around, light colored skin, and sustainable communities. There is no way in hell they'd want that information getting out. Could you imagine the chaos?
>>537269835rabbinical student typed this
>>537269835basically the region had some autistic genious who convinced the local hunter gatherers to carve a hunting / grain processing outpost on a hill by taking advantage of seasonal floods and it actually workedmore fascinating is that he taught everything he figured out to the other tribesmen adn they managed to keep the project going for a millenia
>>537275243There was direct flooding from the ice melting and then a massive amount of ice was insta vaporized from the impact and it rained over a big portion of the world. This is though to effect even shit in Egypt because they date stuff based off of estimated rain errosion.
>>537275694Honestly when you have nothing else to do you would surprised how obsessed and focus you become for your hobbies.
>>537276370you have to understand these flood "myths" were not only retellings of the flooding, but also civilization foundation myths, cosmological myths, religious myths, etc. it was such a profound event in human history we mixed it in with myth. This is a great resource btwhttps://talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html
>>537276900>Deucalion survived due to his prudence and piety and linked the first and second race of men. Onto a great ark he loaded his wives and children and all animals. The animals came to him, and by God's help, remained friendly for the duration of the flood. fascinating, thanks
>>537275694I'd do the same thing if I had literally nothing to do and it wasn't illegal to just build whatever I want wherever I want to.
>>537275546>all of which for the original human coastal settlements, including from much of mesopotamia, are deep underwaterweren't most coastals settlements of hte kind that only left things that did not leave an archological record? well maybe pottery
>>537277127There's also Manu from Hinduism who bridged the flood between Ages
>>537277162Also, a lot of it was made of wood desu. That doesn't survive like rock does. >>537277127It's remarkable how similar flood myths from civilizations who never had contact are...Cherokee (Great Lakes area; eastern Tennessee): Day after day, a dog stood at the river bank and howled piteously. Rebuked by his master, the dog said a flood was coming, and he must build and provision a boat. Furthermore, the dog said, he must throw him, the dog, into the water. For a sign that he spoke the truth, the dog showed the back of his neck, which was raw and bare with flesh and bone showing. The man followed directions, and he and his family survived; from them, the present population is descended.
>>537277162as far as we know, but nobody has ever been able to significantly explore the remainsthe coastal settlements though would have had the most broad and diverse contact with other cultures, which is what drives tech progress, so the coastal settlements would have been more advanced than ones further inlandtheoretically
>>537269835You think anthropology majors are smart enough to know what an irrigation system looks like?
>>537270182>Greeks and RomansNah, made up . Romans were an ARMY , they DESTROYED everything, didn't build it.>their massive water systems Nice bullshit about "roman" "aqueducts", that aren't roman and aren't aqueducts .Just like they aren't "roman" "theaters".
>>537270362The pyramids all over the world were built by Thoth after the deluge, as instructed by his father Enki.
>would have had the most broad and diverse contact with other cultures*keep in mind the N. Sentinelese have allegedly been on their island for 40,000 years, and have both boats and bows/arrows, and can't invent shit themselves, so took that knowledge with them to the island
>>537270452>>Turkey refuses to explore the site any further>No, it's not turkey they refuses. It's the WEF. >God knows why the WEF cares about the status quo in archeology. WEF is globohomo org.There's another globohomo org , Unesco. If the site is on Unesco heritage sites list, 100% guarantee that globohomo is hiding ancient history there.
>>537270844>Some of the blocks have very perfectly geometric inset carvings that are thought to have been very difficult to accomplish with tools of the timei actually know exactly what youre talking about, and ive seen this argument with a number of different ancient sites. its always>how is [x] so straight/flat/detailed/perfect/etc??>this wouldve been (nearly) impossible with tools of the dayi think thats>1) massively underestimating the actual craftsmanship of many ancient ppls>2) not accounting for the fact that ancient kings/leaders wouldve had access to basically unlimited free slave labor for their various vanity projects>3) comes from a retarded modern-day perspective of looking at time/value for the construction of ancient monuments as if they were being built nowfor 1) we have plenty of evidence to show there were EXTREMELY talented builders/masons/architects/artists, in basically EVERY ancient civ worth a damn. so the designing of them was never the hard part. these wouldve undoubtedly been some of the best and brightest of their day, in their fieldand for 2) and 3) i guess its that modern globohomo tier historians like to ignore slavery except for in regards to the trans-atlantic. but islavery was absolutely a fact of life for every empire, nation, or even citystate that was important enough to where we still know about them. you cant look at some giant stone and think, "no one wouldve ever bothered to do all that". yes, they wouldve, because the dude standing directly behind them wouldve started whipping the shit out of them if they stopped working, and they prolly wouldnt have gotten any food that daytl;drjust because it woudlve been hard, doesnt mean it was impossible or no one would be willing to do itin fact the opposite is prolly true, where many ancient sites were built almost solely to prove that they could do it. ancient geopolitical dickwaving, basically
>>537275154>>engineering, math>>"wtf is "calculus"? anyway going to build a 75km aqueduct"With 10,000 irishmen that only have showels. >i.e. Erie canal.Fun times.
>>537277215>>537277287>Transylvanian Gypsy:>Men once lived forever and knew no troubles. The earth brought forth fine fruits, flesh grew on trees, and milk and wine flowed in many rivers. One day, and old man came to the country and asked for a night's lodging, which a couple gave him in their cottage. When he departed the next day, he said he would return in nine days. He gave his host a small fish in a vessel and said he would reward the host if he did not eat the fish but returned it then. The wife thought the fish must be exceptionally good to eat, but the husband said he had promised the old man to keep it and made the woman swear not to eat it. After two days of thinking about it, though, the wife yielded to temptation and threw the fish on the hot coals. Immediately, she was struck dead by lightning, and it began to rain. The rivers started overflowing the country. On the ninth day, the old man returned and told his host that all living things would be drowned, but since he had kept his oath, he would be saved. The old man told the host to take a wife, gather his kinfolk, and build a boat on which to save them, animals, and seeds of trees and herbs. The man did all this. It rained a year, and the waters covered everything. After a year, the waters sank, and the people and animals disembarked. They now had to labor to gain a living, and sickness and death came also. They multiplied slowly so that many thousands of years passed before people were again as numerous as they were before the flood. you kind of have to wonder how much of it is the story spreading word of mouth and getting re-interpreted for local cultures
>>537277473I wonder if they stay there because their ancestors had some horrible clash with other people and now it's just tradition to stay there, or if they're just really retarded and don't know there is land beyond where they live. There are a bunch of islands in that area but I'm not sure if they can see them from where they are.Having seen boats and planes doesn't mean they understand what they are or that they come from other lands.
>>537269835>irrigation>fucking spiralsThose aren't even acceptable supports. Why are you brain damaged?
It's clearly the work of a civilization, not just nomads who happened to collect together at some spot and do something weird for the fuck of it.This pushes organized civilization back by perhaps eight thousand years. There are stellar alignments at the site too, which indicates knowledge of astronomy which also proves the existence of civilization.More interesting to me is that on several stones the "bag" is shown, and also various symbols are enclosed in boxes, which is how the Egyptians wrote the name of cities, the god or emblem enclosed in a box which symbolized a city wall.For those of you who don't know what the "bag" is, it simply means civilization and the "pinecone" is a traditional tool to aid in the pollenation of various plants, you shake the pollen into the cone and then shake the cone over the female plants. The pinecone symbolizes the spread of civilization.
>>537276604Shut up, christ cuck.
>>537273893Excavation is inherently destructive, so now that we have a general idea of how incredible of a find this site is, there is an intention to wait until we have better means of fully assessing all data we can gather from the site. There doesn't need to be some grand conspiracy here. This is the same reason that the first emperor of China remains sealed in his tomb - we only get one chance at excavation, and every decade we develop better and better ways of doing so. Imagine if fucking Heinrich Schliemann didn't accidentally blow up the real Troy and how much more we could have learned about the site if we had just uncovered it now.
>>537277648It's very clear there was an Atlantic centered civilization in the late Ice Age that influenced the less advanced peoples surrounding them, and when the flood happened they spread out to help them rebuild after losing their civilization. And why do I think this? Because every civilization tells us it happened lol
>>537275243>the sahara is desert throughout the graphicOi.
>>537277130>I had literally nothing to do>>537276889>nothing else to do
>>537276900We have evidence of either a flood, or a massive global catastrophe everywhere, on every continent. I'd hardly call it a myth .Tell us buddy. Was Piranesi drawing fantasies, or was documenting actual history. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=piranesi&t=brave&ia=images&iax=images
>>537270307>>537270452It's because excavations destroy the site. It's literally standard procedure to delay such operations until you're absolutely positive it can be carried out competently and with the utmost care. Doubly so for a site as important as Gobekle Tebe.
>>537277859This graphic doesn't do the best job (look at Florida's coast), but it does a solid job. >>537277906Bro it's STILL not """settled science""" it even happened.
>>537277906Where did all of the water come from? Was this one flood at the same time, or smaller localized floods?
>>537277869my post was a joke, but feel free to kvetch
>>537269835Quite possibly the worst take ever on this*checks notes*Politics board
Einkorn wheat, the first domestic kind, was domesticated right in the same region where they found Gobekli Tepe as well.
>>537275694>So, people just so happen to start sculpting out of hard rocklimestone is very soft and easily worked
>>537277698>Having seen boats and planes doesn't mean they understand what they are or that they come from other lands.they can build the boats themselves, they apparently just don't leave any lying around>The cargo ship MV Rusley ran aground on coastal reefs in mid-1977, and the MV Primrose did so on 2 August 1981. After the Primrose grounded on the North Sentinel Island reef, crewmen several days later noticed that some men carrying spears and arrows were building boats on the beach. The captain of Primrose radioed for an urgent drop of firearms so his crew could defend themselves. They did not receive any because a large storm stopped other ships from reaching them, but the heavy seas also prevented the islanders from approaching the ship. A week later, the crewmen were rescued by a helicopter under contract to the Indian Oil and Natural Gas Corporation (ONGC).and no bows and arrows are going to last that long, doubtful they picked that up through any contact, since they're so aggressivebut we still have no idea if they've even invented fire yet>I wonder if they stay there because their ancestors had some horrible clash with other people and now it's just tradition to stay therethey seem to have this religious aversion to anything living that isn't from the islandalmost as if they had some knowledge of immune systemsbut the few that were taken by force from the island sickened very quickly, so they wouldn't necessarily have to have that kind of knowledge to know to avoidand it seems to wax and wane, they don't shoot at everyone, no seeming logic to when they do or don't, and sometimes they'll shoot headless arrows as a warningthey've been left pigs and what not as gifts before, tied up on the beach; they just shoot them and leave the bodies to rot untouched
>>537278011see >>537275243All the ice melting
>>537277906>>537276900The fact that there are ruins that are completely underwater should tell you that the sea level rose dramatically at some point during human civilization. Hell I believe the Mediterranean was at one point an empty basin that people lived in.
>>537278009>a massive disappeared Island Atlantis>outside of Africa>Azores Isladns remains of it. >massive sand covers half Afica>lots of strange ancient ruins all over Africa. >still not settled science Looks like an under water volcano exploded.
>>537278144>Hell I believe the Mediterranean was at one point an empty basin that people lived in.nevermind im wrong, this was long before civilization, but it was empty at some point.
>>537278126Funny, the Bible doesn't say that the flood was caused by glacier ice melting. Can anybody in this thread comment on why?
>>537278011 >Where did all of the water come from? Answered over there: >>537278185
>>537274788check>>537275851this, and lots of other supposed physics and theories about the beginning of the universe come from the zohar. https://youtu.be/tuKwz0MEawI>The text states that before creation, there was only the "Most Concealed One." The act of creation began when God "made a singular point" (nekudah). From this point, all thought, blueprints, and physical forms were carved out. The Zohar explicitly links this to the verse "In the beginning, God created," interpreting "beginning" as a radiance (zohar) that expanded from a hidden, infinitesimal source. >This narrative mirrors the scientific concept of a singularity—a point of infinite density that expanded rapidly to form the universe. The Zohar describes this as the "expansion of that point of radiance," from which all subsequent "Utterances" (stages of creation) emerged.
>>537278009It doesn't do a job at all with the continental shelf.How have they not done surveys to figure out what is end of ice age deposition and what was there? Doesn't even properly vary sea levels. Ice has mas. Polar mass means distortion of the sphere.
>>537278246Why would it? all they knew was that the water level went up. it's not like they knew what glaciers were. bible retards weren't all knowing of the entire earth. most of them probably never travelled more than 50 miles from where they were born. was this supposed to be some kind of gotcha?
>>537277614its a bit rarted isnt it?you dont need calculus to be able to physically see that water always goes downhill. nor do you even need to "understand" gravity other than it being something that happens (tho tbf romans seemingly DID understand gravity, at least to the point of knowing thats why the earth was ball-shaped. they thought the heavier elements like earth and water, sank to the "bottom" and formed into the earth, which is surprisingly close for ~2k yrs ago lol).but i digress, its as simple as>start uphill>end downhilldonehell, you dont even rly need numbers to pull it off on a small scale (tho itd help obv)
>>537278246You don't need a glacier melting for global flooding. Disruptions in the planet's crust could cause supercritical water in the mantle to literally explode into the atmosphere and fall back down as enormous amounts of rain. There is twice the amount of water below Earth's crust than there is above, and there's enough water above the crust to cover all land up to 9km if land was spread evenly.Plus:>Gen 7:11>"on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened"
>>537278284Ok but >>537278126 and >>537278416said it was glaciers melting. Meanwhile, >>537278889 indicates something entirely different, rather than an underwater volcano. Can you explain why these people are all wrong?
>>537278983To be fair, humans can tell the difference between flooding and tidal waves.So, uh. Maybe stop expecting anything from him.
>>537278983can you explain how 2 of every animal from around the world got on one boat?
>>537277706iirc one of the running theories is that they used them to fill up their natural underground aquifers. so the water would drain into the spiral drains, then collect in their aquifers, instead of immediately evaporating into the dry desert air. since they presumably, like every other civ, DID start out as some nomadic ppl, this wouldve been their "turning point" into actual early civilization. suddenly, you no longer have to constantly search for water or die, you now have the technology. now you can just live in one place. and suddenly theres time for art, or building elaborate shit, or thinking about weird abstractions, or figuring out how to write your language, or thinking about religion/god(s), or wtf is literally evenat least thats the most realistic version ive heard for gobekli tepe. most of em are all schizo ancient ayys nonsensepersonally i DONT think they were anything religious, simply because of where they were. theyre littered all throughout the settlement/city, even in places where clearly poorer ppl lived. it seems a lot more utilitarian. like an ancient manhole or ditch lol. not to diminish the civs accomplishments tho, as this may or may not be one of the most advanced things anyone had ever come up with on earth. and this tech rly didnt catch on, even for most of the civilized world, until greece and rome, which was many THOUSANDS of years after whoever tf lived in gobekli tepe were gone
>>537279259what the fuck are you even talking about you schizo. even though the ark story isn't true, it's retarded to look at it through a scientific lens and you are retarded. back then they probably differentiate between different species of the same animals. there are hundreds of species of snake, but they probably just referred to all of them as "serpent" and considered all snakes to be the same species.you strike me as the kind of redditor who thinks he's be the smartest person on earth if you lived back then because you'd know all about the round earth, the americas, and calculus, because you're too retarded to understand that you'd just be some poor peasant living in jerusalem who died when he was 17 from a disease that's preventable today.
>>537269835Annunaki taught them how to build that water infrastructure
>>537279452>even though the ark story isn't true, it's retarded to look at it through a scientific lensit's crazy you're crawling up MY ass and not his >>537278983
>>537279452also you clearly can't into thread ID's
>>537279452>>537278246>Funny, the Bible doesn't say that the flood was caused by glacier ice melting. Can anybody in this thread comment on why?
>>537279259Beats me, I'm not the faggot here trying to claim the Bible has all of the answers.
>>537279605you're both gay. bringing up bible shit for zero reason to refute a point that nobody was making in the first place is something that only enlightened reddit atheists do.
>>537279767then I mistook the point of this post entirely >>537279671
>>537279824>bringing up bible shit for zero reason to refute a point that nobody was making in the first place>>537279671>>Funny, the Bible doesn't say that the flood was caused by glacier ice melting. Can anybody in this thread comment on why?. . .
>>537278185kek I agree with you bro, I'm saying (((science))) doesn't>>537278246it's just one flood myth out of many. what does the bible say caused it?
>>537270844When archeologists and anthropologists can't ascertain the purpose of something, they call it a ceremonial site or votive object. Both terms are sciencespeak for "fuck if I know."
>>537279832All good, I find that Bible thumpers tend to crash out when asked to not only deboonk science but also conspiracy theories.
>someone else brings the bibble into it>speak to the bibble interpretation>OMFG REDDIT ATHEIST HOW DARE YOU BRING THE BIBLE UP WHEN NOBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT ITjesus bro
>>537269835GOBEKLI TEPE IS MYSTERY ANCIENT STONES FOUND IN TURKEYITS PART OF HIDDEN HISTORYI SEE THE RUINS IN THE SANDTIME TO RESEARCH EARLY MANWHEN YOU DO YOU'LL NOW UNDERSTAND ELITE OCCLUSION ELITE OCCLUSION
>>537270452>God knows whyNot saying that all of our current known history is false, but there are false narratives that the jews do not want known. Hence why jews are destroying ancient sites in Palestine and why their terrorist dogs ISIS are destroying ancient artifacts in Afghanistan, Syria, etc.
the best theory is that its a right of passage ceremonnial disney park ride filled with cock statues to symbolize masculinity
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>>537277332Nigger
>>537280101Thats just all hindu temples
>>537280087And those narratives are?
>>537279935hes absolutely fucking right thowtf does the fucking bible have anything to do with gobekli tepe? wtf are you even arguing about? this is a civilization that existed ~9000yrs before jesus was even a speck in panteras balls
>>537280211Well allegedly there is some ancient writing that they destroyed that detailed that Jesus wasn't actually a jew. Hence why they hate him so much.
>>537280251>hes absolutely fucking right tho>>537279935>>someone else brings the bibble into it>>speak to the bibble interpretation>>OMFG REDDIT ATHEIST HOW DARE YOU BRING THE BIBLE UP WHEN NOBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT ITkindly find whoever brought the bible into the discussion to begin with and crawl up their asshole instead
>>537277332>Romans were an ARMY , they DESTROYED everything, didn't build it.The Roman army built roads and forts which developed into towns. Part of the downfall of the late Roman army was filling it with non-Roman Barbarians, who complained that they shouldn't have to build things because soldiers don't build they destroy. >Nice bullshit about "roman" "aqueducts", that aren't roman and aren't aqueducts .Just like they aren't "roman" "theaters".Oh I see, you're a full of shit schizo.
>>537280251christians for some reason think the bible is the only flood myth ever. it's not even an original story ffs
>>537277332>Romans were an ARMY , they DESTROYED everything, didn't build it. Stupid low-iq nigger.
>>537277332Let's hear the schizo alternative instead of just naysaying
>>537280340>19pbtid>literally all pissmoaning about the bible>i dindu nuffin tho...nofuck off faggotyou are at LEAST half the problem. it takes two to tango
>>537280473>>literally all pissmoaning about the bibletrying waaaaaay too hard now
>>537278983Glacier melting not likely to raise water level. Just like ice cubes melting in your glass won't raise the water level. >>537279160 You indeed need to filter clueless, like you.
>>537280556glaciers in water, no; glaciers over land, yes
more than half of the antarctic ice sheets are over land so not currently affecting the water volume at all; were those to melt (and they're a mile thick), it would definitely raise the water levels
>>537277332Need a QRD on this badly bro, I have SPQR-fellating fatigue
>>537280342All of this is BS. They didn't have airplanes and thousands of builders and engineers that followed the army .What they DID have is an army. That took EXISTING cities. We can even tell that there were ancient technology in existing cities that roman army was destroying. I am suspecting those are ancient Energy Generators.We already found over 200 of them , they are called "roman theaters" .>which are neither roman, >nor theaters.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_theatres
>>537280261...but the whole reason they hated him was because he was a Jew who disregarded backwards Jewish customs and had a rightful claim as a descendent of the famous kings like David and Solomon? He wasn't just some schizo foreigner, but one of their own who figuratively and literally wanted to clean house of the worst aspects of Judaism.
>>537280792Here you go: >>537280815
>>537276604>DUDE genesis!it was written in the 6th century BC nigger they didn't know shit
>>537273227Copper and sand can defeat sandstone surebut pink granite cannot be worked with copper and sand
>>537280893pink granite is a 7 on the Mohs scale, so it is 100% workable with naturally-occurring materials. I think the biggest cope regarding this matter is that people like you insist on efficiency, as if people will ONLY do something if it is done efficiently, or otherwise not at all.There was a guy that carved a walking path through a mountain range all on his own and it took him decades to do it. This would have been completed at a much faster pace if handled with the proper tools, but he instead did it the hard way, but it got done regardless.
>>537280556Antarctica melting would raise water ~60 meters. Hard to accurately estimate as it depends on how much the ground will absorb. This is one of the most effective ways to solve the world's problems.
>>537269835>brown people claiming everything is an irrigation system >there was no natural water source here 10,000 years ago
>>537280409and you know who ISNT getting flooded? in any era?the guys way tf up in the mountains, in ancient anatolia lol. if these guys were around during some ancient flood, it probably didnt directly effect themtho, that said, that does leave a possibility for an ancient refugee crisis. having all the barbarians head to the hills, only to find some bizarre future city populated by skinny looking ppl that sit inside things called "houses" all day. to which they then proceeded to fuck up and destroy said bizarre future city to the point where it was wiped off the face of the earth and its history until like the 1990s lol.wouldnt be the first time. its an unfortunately common tale throughout history (and the modern day lol). iirc, its pretty much the agreed upon (tho not necessarily kosher) theory for why the various bronze age collapses happened.fucking seaniggers. makes me wonder what slurs they used to have for the sea ppl? probably some based ones
>>537271447>It's like a meme which spread and inspired everyone else to begin crafting and sculpting figures out of solid rock.Morphic fields are real, and nobody can explain them.
>>537280893this >>537281027>>537276370>a bunch of these things are likely multigenerational projects>>537281105hell it wouldn't even have to melt per se, it sliding off the land into the ocean would have the same effect
>>537270452>God knows why the WEF cares about the status quo in archeology.heh
>>537275694We often forget how fucking boring everything was before smartphones. People did incredible things because interesting work was preferable to boring leisure
>>537281105>Antarctica melting would raise water ~60 meters. This is unclear. I am suspecting , since the largest element on the plane is H, Hydrogen .and it's 75% of it. And based on various observations or lakes , rivers and water falls , randomly appearing and disappearing. I am suspecting that all water is made by the Planet. And removed. >yep matter gets created and destroyed. And if that's the case, and since we are on a PLANE clearly (i.e. Antarctica is our plane's border). What you posting is basically not legit science on many levels.
>>537275485That's the key detail most people don't know about. The wind didn't blow dust on it for thousands of years and cover it up. People deliberately buried all of it.
>>537274956They tried mapping the stars but they form flat triangles across all the visible universe. No overall space curvature, try again
>>537281741>I am suspecting that all water is made by the Planet.>And removed.most of this planet is water, not just surface but most period
>>537282248>visiblewhy would there be curvature anywhere but around the edge regionsnone of which we can see so we're likely not anywhere near the edgesif there even are any
>>537281152its because it probably wasnt irrigation in the sense youre thinking of, where the water is fed into some farm or a cistern or whatever. it was to fill their naturally occurring underground aquifers/wells. those are rly old mountains and theyre full of caves. a lot of ancient persia had the same set-up. it let em live peacefully up in the hills away from all the retards.so basically, that WAS their water source. its the only reason they could live there, at all.couldve even been the reason they left too. you think, you have all your civilization depending on some intricate underground cave/river system (that you dont rly understand). then suddenly a big earthquake happens (common back then), some underground lake starts draining into somewhere else, and ruh-roh, no more water. not even when it rains. something something the god(s) have abandoned us etcso you all have to pick everything you can up and leave, all at once, leaving a completely undestroyed city behind to be swallowed by dust for like 10000yrs
>>537278001this is BS. They are 100% covering it up because they found evidence of previous global cataclysms that may or may not be cyclical and potentially will be happening again very soon.
>>537280815What are your thoughts on chronology criticism? Gunnar Heinsohn et al.
>>537274538Gulf of Basra nigger
>>537269835>history is so basic and easily handwave-able>go back to sleep goyim theres nothing to fucking see here>haven't I made enough threads for that to be clear to you?Well I guess there's just nothing to learn here and we should all stop asking questions then.
>>537282379>most of this planet is water, not just surface but most periodExactly. and if that's the case ,you can't really tell that "if Arctic melts, then ocean would be raised by X" because ice cubes melting in your glass don't make water spill out of the glass. And if almost entire surface is basically water, you don't have ice caps that aren't on water.
>>537283055why does it come off like you're being ESL on purpose>ice cubes melting in your glass don't make water spill out of the glass.>>537280606>glaciers in water, no; glaciers over land, yesyou can still make the ocean level rise because land that is already indundated with water doesn't absorb any moreand the land under the overrland antarctic ice sheets isn't going to absorb a vertical mile of ice's worth of water
>>537269835>over 13,000 years old>buried under a mud flood>coincides perfectly with pic related
>>537281105No, that is a preposterous number.
>>537270362>>537270844If you want a monumental building and stone is all you have to work with then a pyramid is pretty much all you can build.
>>537282755>Gunnar Heinsohn> Heinsohn criticized the "barter paradigm" of money. Instead of money as a medium of exchange to facilitate barter, >Heinssohn replaced it with a property based credit theory of money that stresses the indispensable role of> secure property titles, contract law and especially contract enforcement, liability and collateral to create secure, >transferable debt titles that central banks will accept as collateral for issuing bank notes. >monetary theories of production developed in the Keynesian tradition Buddy I think all Keynesians are full of stuff, and are just covering Central Banks private money printing , Inflation , taxation, and confiscation of all properties by bankers and oligarchs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunnar_Heinsohn So, a guy is central bankers paid eCONomist . What does he know about chronology ?
>>53728345060 meters is only 180 feet, the ice is a mile thick
granted you've probably got a point since it'd spread globally
>>537283379He's speaking in hick, I can recognize it because I am also a hick. >>537283450Cool it with the antisemitism, pal.
>>537283379 >you're being ESL on purpose Don't care . Trapping retards into going into gramma nazi mode, and revealing that they are unable to argue the topic.
>>537283443also, the younger dryas impact hypothesis takes place during this time perioda meteor hit the ocean causing a massive tsunami
>>537270307>>537270452Its because here lay the origin of the child sacrifice cultists later imported into meaopotamia and arabia and babylon and egypt and carthage and on and on it fucking goesWoops, cant have that in a smithsonian sponsored agenda dictating who gets to be a have and a have notEnjoy poverty mr.teslaEnjoy arkancide mr.whistleblower seth richAnd countless othersThe Wrath of God abide upon every man and woman that does and goes to conceal the abominations, epoch to epoch
>>537278001Fuck off jewish faggot. Even dinosaur bones are dug out using shovels and brushes. WEF is hiding or not investigating history that could break the narrative. Also they fucking plowed trough the site and planted trees. Which is something that surely destroys it.
>>537283625It actually is theorized to have hit the ice sheets in canada, causing a catastrophic ice melt and flooding all around the world
>>537283608I did argue the topic, you didn't even noticelel just got triggered about the ESL thing
>>537282674What's more likely:>totally mundane thing that happens all the time>massive coverup of some bullshit "theory" you heard on some faggots shitty documentary
>>537283528Go ahead and post whatever retard shit you read that convinced you of this.
>>537283604I've known people on these that did it intentionally to obfuscate their writing style
>>537283739>The Antarctic ice sheet has an average thickness of over 2 kilometers (1.2 miles), with some areas reaching up to 4.9 kilometers (3.0 miles) at maximum.
>>537283703I am not arguing with you specifically.If you want me to comment on your post, link to a post.
>>537283787you already replied to it, you just ignored half of the post's existence >>537283379
>>537269835Aaron Judkins has done some extensive study at this site. i had the opportunity to discuss this with him. there are ceremonial rooms that were used for some 'rebirth into heaven' ritual and quite a few other things. no, it was not for irrigation. you don't carve fucking animals and shit in the sewer, do you or on your garden system, do you?
>>537279259>2 of every animalplot twist
>>537283746I hear you, brother, but I'd recognize that improper use of "don't" from a continent away
>>537277800Thats a blatant lie. We have scanners that can go deep. Gobeki teppe are literal stone buildings. Shovel and a brush level of tehnology.If poeple can escavate dinosaurs they can escavate an old house easily.
>>537275243that is wrong thoIt was just polar cap migrating(it happened at last few times)
>>537283730Why are the covering up an irrigation system?
>>537283670Dinosaur excavations need much less care than an archeological dig site you disingenuous fuck.>they fucking plowed trough the site and planted trees.That was done by private landowners before the acquisition by eminent domain. It was kikes knowing the procurement was going to happen and trying to extract extra money from the government.
>>537283513Yeah why's a banker trying to edit history to make jew fables true
>>537283782Okay great trivia bro, now how about you post what made you think that retard shit.
>>537284039Nobody's covering anything up. That's my point.
>>537284113>Okay great trivia bro, now how about you post what made you think that retard shit, that the ice is a mile thick.ok>The Antarctic ice sheet has an average thickness of over 2 kilometers (1.2 miles), with some areas reaching up to 4.9 kilometers (3.0 miles) at maximum.
>>537276604lmao you actually believe this shit?
>>537278144>sea level rose dramaticallyor ground level dropped
>>537284115Seems like a dumb position to hold though…
>>537284346>>537283998>flat earth poster appears
>>537284347What makes you think there's a coverup?
>>537284346huh
>>537284397how its even flat earth you deranged moron?
>>537270307They've found a couple other sites that are as old and maybe even older.
>>537284509
>>537283851I went to eat for half this thread. You didn't post anything serious . >you can still make the ocean level rise because land that is already indundated with water doesn't absorb any moreWhat I posted is that 75% of everything is Hydrogen, H. Water is H2O. And there's a water cycle on the planet. So you can make whatever rise and fall. > under the overrland antarctic ice sheets i Antarctica is the tallest land mass on the planet. So, we are physically inside a glass that ends with Antarctica . The rest of your stuff is irrelevant because planet generates all water it needs.
>>537284521it's just as silly
>>537284174Oh so your logic is something like:> The Antarctic ice sheet has an average thickness of over 2 kilometers (1.2 miles), with some areas reaching up to 4.9 kilometers (3.0 miles) at maximum.>therefore if they melted there would be 60 feet ocean riseSo I’m curious, do you think this logically follows, or do you think more information is required to come to this conclusion?
>>537284439I mean there are tons of them.Are you vaccinated?
>>537284671retardthere is nothing silly about it
>>537281027Did he see the Bigfoot
>>537284620>I went to eat for half this thread.?andwhat was it>The rest of your stuff is irrelevant because planet generates all water it needs.so, if the antarctic overland ice melts, the something something converts it into hydrogen, somehow, and thus it wouldn't raise the water levels?the ESL thing makes it a bit difficult to parse meaning sometimes>>537284696>>537283598>granted you've probably got a point since it'd spread globallyyou've been being such an ass I decided to wait to point out the post you either missed or ignored
>>537284558weird
>>537284885>grr I was only pretending to be retarded because you didn’t read the post I didn’t direct to you.You win this round, I concede.
>>537284976>I didn’t direct to you.>>537283528>60 meters is only 180 feet, the ice is a mile thick>>537283598>granted you've probably got a point since it'd spread globallyit's literally directly underneath the post you replied tonot my fault you can't reading comprehend>h-hurr you didn't link me so idk who you were talking toso, intentional it seems to have been
>>537284725I am not vaccinated.What, specifically, makes you think there's a coverup?
>>537285092Well, at least you definitely aren’t mad because you sounded like an idiot and no one is embarrassed.
>>537285394Well you said nothing is covered up, and I said that’s ridiculous, then gave an example of an event rife with coverups.And now hopefully we are on the same page.
>>537284885Let me try again. We are not on a ball.Antarctic ice can't melt because it's half destroyed matter. I know that nazis and american glowies are trying to find ways through .There are various theories.Your retardation is showing when you are bringing ESL once you start losing a debate. Its not my problem that I have to debate with retards here.
>>537285540Oh, you're pilpulling then. The discussion is about Gobekli tepe. Obviously the statement about nobody covering anything up was with regard to Gobekli tepe. You knew that though and are trying to be witty.
>>537285482>at least you definitely aren’t mad or embarrassed.>>537283739>Go ahead and post whatever retard shit you read>>537284113>what made you think that retard shit.you're right, ->I'm<- not...>>537285579>We are not on a ball.you could have just said this right off and I'd have understood I didn't have to bother
>>537269835>stone age>irrigations system>for hunter gatherers>who by strict definition couldn't have been engaging in agricultureuh oh stinky
>>537285668I just didn’t see a point in advancing if you didn’t believe in coverups at all. Would be like talking to a wall.Anyways, I beleive you were aghast at the thought that investigation to the site could be halted for any reason other than.. Preserving the site?What would be the purpose of preserving the site? What greater value could the site hold than the information it contains?
>>537282605there was almost certainly a fresh water source nearby, like springs.
>>537285822>no uI already conceded, why do you have to keep epic pwning me?Since you insist on continuing, would you answer my earlier question:>>537284696> do you think this logically follows, or do you think more information is required to come to this conclusion?
>>537286053>I already concededbackhanded concession>do you think this logically followsno, as I realized a minute later >>537283598
>>537285982>What would be the purpose of preserving the site?To ensure that when excavations do occur, as they inevitably will, they will be done under strictly controlled conditions so that the information isn't lost/destroyed in the process.
you didn't even have to concede, a simple "my bad" would have sufficied
>>537286127Okay, so do you understand why someone might find your proposition childishly retarded?
>>537284931
>>537285822>i don't have to bother thinking Nice, nobody is forcing you to think.You either going to move forward or not. Germans tried to establish a base there at the end of ww2. That's public knowledge. American military sent an expedition, Admiral Bird. >who obviously didn't fly over south pole, use your brain. >admiral bird expedition >Operation Highjump. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=admiral+bird+expedition&t=brave&ia=web https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_E._Byrd https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Operation+Highjump.+&t=brave&ia=web
I remember watching a Time Team special of them going to Greece. They seemed to be getting annoyed about how rich the archeology was there. Time Team spends a week laying trenches and sifting through dirt to find a few fragments of pottery. In Greece they were picking it up off the roadside. Anatolia is even more rich in finds.
>>537282495in the torus universe there is curvature everywhere, can't you see? The whole surface is curved
>>537286139>you can’t excavate it so we can excavate it later.I’m going to be honest with you, I don’t predict our conversation will be productive.
>>537286302I understand you either missed (unlikely atm) or intentionally ignored (seemingly the case) the very next post after the one you replied toso went at it like (You) wanted to "epic pwn" someone over it, and then buttblastedly backhand conceded instead of just laughing it offhence my instinct to draw it out a bit and play dumb, which still could have been laughed off had you not been disappointed your own "ebin pwn" didn't pan outI have great distaste for such>>537286330now I want to play gnomoria again for some reason>>537286351flat earth makes no sense as a conspiracy, what would even be the point
>>537286635It won't be. You've already demonstrated yoir willingness to take statements out of context to feel like you're getting a 1up in the discussion and are so locked in to the conspiracy narrative that you're unreceptive to more mundane explanations.Work is currently being done at the site, headed by the University of Istanbul. They are still documenting what's already been exposed.Do you really think it's a good idea to start sticking shovels in the ground when the stuff that's already revealed hasn't been fully documented yet?
>>537286784So… you DON’T understand?
>>537286865You know, you aren’t a very good listener :(
>>537269835They would tell you it’s natural if they could. Like this perfect pyramid with a walking ramp that sprung out of the water. You cannot go there. It is so sacred to the local tribes that the federal military guards it. Battles were fought here. Egyptian artifacts and mummies were found here. It is in Nevada USA
>>537286635I don't know that it's a valid excuse for the structures in Turkey but it represents the overwhelming majority of why Chinese tombs for example remain sealed despite the desire to know what's going on in there. When excavations happened in the 70s and the tombs and digsites were exposed to fresh oxygenated air the archaeologists noted that paints, pigments and even organic matter was in a nearly perfectly preserved state upon initial contact but over the following minutes and hours rapid oxidation and degredation occurred resulting in pigments changing colors, paints peeling and flaking off and organic matter rotting and turning to mush infront of their eyes. Ever since that humiliation of watching potential cultural relics turning to dust before the could be cataloged, they endeavored to never open another site until they could figure out a way to put the entire thing under inert atmosphere so they'd have time to preserve or at the very least photograph and otherwise catalog what was left behind. I'm sure there are other less noble motivations for keeping things under cover but to think there are no real reasons is to be ignorant to the challenges of excavation.
>>537286582>in the torus universe there is curvature everywhere>90 million some light years wide and there's no seeming evidence of any edgesI'm not even personally trying to say it's a torus, but there could be infinite space between curvature areas, nothing inbetween them would necessarily be forced into curvatures>>537286912knowing is half the battle, so what do you know when you only fight half the posts>GI JOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>537286945Did I miss an important point of yours? My bad if so.
>>537287046Okay so we just have to wait until they make a robot smaller than an oxygen atom and figure out how to get it in there.
>>537286945Well, I explicitly told you why I brought up what I brought up. You didn’t seem to catch that.
>>537286970Better picture, you can’t find this kind of views from an image search. They don’t want you to question that it’s naturally forming. Google maps censors but you can sometimes find user uploaded pics.Egyptian artifacts in this pyramid in Nevada USA. Everything is out of place. It’s like this everywhere. Egypt is in America, Rome is in Vietnam, Greece is in China. Very often at a State protected park. Babylon may have been Los Angeles. Maybe Carthage really was salted, it’s just in Utah
>>537287360Or you fill the tomb with argon or something and send the archeologists in with oxygen tanks. It doesn't have to be your ridiculous strawman. The issue is the logistics of actually doing that.>>537287389I assume this post is for me?I responded to your greentext in the second paragraph of that post. The work is currently being done. They're documenting what's exposed first before they consider digging more in the future.They sure as fuck don't want any old retard sticking shovels in the ground and breaking shit in the process.
>>537287360No they're probably just going to build something akin to the Chernobyl sarcophagus over the tomb of Qin Shi Huangdi and purge it with a gas that doesn't cause degradation. Who knows, it may be a heat issue too. Also there's the mercury toxicity hazard because of how much mercury has been found in other tombs and how much of it is rumored to have been interred with the emperor.
>>537275600You're close-ish. Time is emergent from measurement, that we are making at all times, collapsing wave-probability functions into tangible objects we manipulate -- incredibly powerful stuff, never forget what you are.I give you the close-ish due to the spiral'd nature of a torus. However, it's a tightening spiral and gravity is emergent electromagnetism within certain strengths. It is all a spiraled electromagnetic field, it has a descending and ascending pitch and the entire fucking universe of matter is spinning down this electromagnetic spiral'd well at a certain pitch as one, with no reference point. That pitch though, I will not give you.
>>537270844I'll be real I know what this is and I still can't tell you why we built it.
>>537287746I feel like you aren’t thinking this through at all. How will the scientist get in?Also on a scale of 1-10, how interesting is a hermetically sealed prehistoric site? That’s not easy to do.
>>537278460Uhh didn't the ancient Greeks figure out the circumference of the earth like 4 thousand years ago, way before they settled in Italy and became the Romans?
>>537278001>It's because excavations destroy the site. It's literally standard procedure to delay such operations until you're absolutely positive it can be carried out competently and with the utmost care. Doubly so for a site as important as Gobekle Tebe.Is that why they drilled a gigantic platform directly into it and planted a grove of olive trees directly on top of it? The weight of fatass tourists and the unrelenting force of tree roots surely must be good for it!
>>537269835Interesting theory but this youtuber generated the script for this video via an LLM.
>>537288570Uhhh like no dude, they didn’t.
>>537269835So..... Aliens?
>>537288103I don't have all the answers which is why they haven't done it yet. That's the whole point. People are actively working out the details to figure out the best way to document these sites.>>537288652See: >>537284044
>>537288858>Uhhh like no dude, they didn’t.Yeah you're right, they figured it out 2300 years ago, not 4000
>>537289011Eratosthenes experiment makes no sense. It required two exactly simultaneous measurements from many miles away. How is that possible without telecommunications and modern clocks? It assumes the sun’s rays are parallel and do not diverge. The sun’s rays are not parallel and diverge. Modern scientists know that this experiment is bunk. It is a pop science narrative. The narrative was different when I went to school in the 1990s. They told us it was Christopher Columbus who first discovered the earth was round.
>>537288946Right so we can’t excavate because then we can’t excavate later, and that is just good enough for you.I dunno man, do you at least recognize the structure of this proposition is bad?Also, and this is just my personal opinion, I don’t care if the paintings degrade. They were supposed to anyways. They have no value to anyone in the dark or in controlled access.
>>537289269>It required two exactly simultaneous measurements from many miles awayNo, just exactly on the same day of the year.>sun’s rays are parallelthey are, that's how shadows work as the day progresses.. or they would behave randomly>when I went to school in the 1990s. They told us it was Christopher Columbus who first discovered the earth was round.You were taught an incredibly wrong and incredibly American historical myth.The entire premise for Columbus voyage was to reach the Indies which is only possible if the earth is a globeThe whole idea is absurd: at the time of Columbus astronomers including Copernicus were working on advanced models of the solar system and starting to question Geocentrism...they didn't believe the Earth was flat.
>>537289611>do you at least recognize the structure of this proposition is bad?Your strawman version of the proposition is bad. Yes. The actual proposition, that we choose to defer excavation to a time when we can do so without destroying the very artifacts we're trying to document, is sound reasoning though.>They have no value to anyone in the dark or in controlled access.They have even less value if they're destroyed forever before we can study them properly.I don't want to have to give you a lecture on deferred gratification, but it's getting really tempting.What color is your skin?
>>537290030Waiting for magic is sound reasoning?I guess the difference is you don’t really want to know about the sites, you would prefer they be intact than to learn about them.
>>537269835>stone age>irrigation system1pbtid
>>537290347It's not "magic." What I described is theoretically feasible today. Construct an airlock outside the tomb. Drill hole in tomb. Pump with argon. Close airlock. Open tomb.The problem is "theoretically feasible" is not the same as "practical." But the theoretically feasible has a habit of becoming more practical over time. A cursory reading of history will tell you this.>you don’t really want to know about the sites, you would prefer they be intact than to learn about them.I would prefer 2 marshmallows in 15 minutes over 1 marshmallow right now
>>537269835>fucking stone age irrigation system>doubtI'm not going to watch your retarded video as it seems on par of the serbian pyramid tier bullshit. They had an irrigation system? Within their place of worship? The Gobekli Tepe circle with lots of monoliths? No. I'm not going to watch it. Please explain it to me.
>>537290773Jeez man… okay we will ignore it’s not possible because that doesn’t help you anyways…Why are you against it if it can happen right now?
>>537280792>I'm brown and mad at White people>Please feed me bullshit lines I can repeat to lie about their history so I can feel betterTeaching non-Whites to read and write will be remembered as a crime against humanity.
>>537277332>Romans were an ARMY , they DESTROYED everything, didn't build it.>Are you being retarded on purpose? You better not be.jpg
>>537290876What part of what I described is "not possible?" You made the claim. I won't let you ignore it >Why are you against it if it can happen right now?I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to it happening right now. But it would be a tedious, expensive, process that I wouldn't want to foot the bill for. I'm just not so arrogant as to think nobody could possibly improve on the idea given a few years to think about it.
>>537291013Rome took in the mystery religion of Babylon, and transferred many of its rites and rituals directly into the Vatican eventually. What do you think all this child sacrifice shit still comes from? The golden bull (look that up if you want a nasty way of sacrificing people) represented Nimrod's son, whom's mother claimed he was a messiah. Nimrod himself was revered after his death as the Sun-God, and the community of Babylon worshipped his son and his wife -- and him, the Sun-God: BAAL.
>>537291215I’m not going to bother taking the counter position because it would only strengthen your position.Did you really not notice how quickly you slid from>we can’t do itto>we can do it, but its expensiveWhy did you start with a position you thought knew wasn’t true?I sort of get the feeling you are just… saying things. Perhaps rather thoughtlessly.
>>537291408>>we can’t do itWhere did I say this?
>>537291465>>537290030> we choose to defer excavation to a time when we can do so without destroying the very artifacts we're trying to documentYet according to you, that time is right now, so the excuse changed.
>>537269835>14KYO site>earliest human civilization modern history recognizes is from 6KBC>megalithic site with stone massonry irreplicable to this day has double that age>a metric fuck ton of supranational organizations sending bureaucreat to stop escavations by over regulationnothing to see goyim!, just good old irrigation
>>537291711Two different meanings of the word "can" are being used in these two different contexts. I refer you to the first paragraph of this post as you are exhibiting exactly the behavior I described: >>537286865
>>537288570No it was during the Classical Hellinic period, four thousand years ago was before the coming of the Greeks in waves from 1900-1600 BC during one of the numerous expansions of the PIE peoplesFour thousand years ago only the Minoans were in the ageanThe guy your thinking of is thishttps://www.thearchaeologist.org/blog/on-this-day-eratosthenes-accurately-calculates-the-earths-circumference-over-2000-years-ago
>>537289940>>537289940>just on the same dayNot correct. They would have to have synchronised measurements. How did they do it?>sun’s rays are parallel because there are shadowsComplete nonsequiturDo you see how the rays lines are further apart from each other as they get further from the sun? Two adjacent lines start at one point and make a V shape, they are not train tracks. That is non-parallel divergence
>>537291842Okay so just do me a huge favor and clarify your position for me, because as far as I can tell it is>we can’t excavate it because we have to do it later>but we could actually do it now but there’s actually just so many reasons not to do it now that I realize my first reason was badRemind me, was this the conversation about a coverup?Is it plausible all your reasons are bad?
>>537287746>>537288103you guys are being fucking retardedfist of all, you dont need to "fill the whole place with argon", or turn it into some above-water scuba mission. you just seal a place and create a very slight positive pressure inside. then you enter/leave through a lock so no contaminants, as little moisture as is possible, no sun, no weather etc.same shit they do in control rooms in nuke plants (and for kinda the same reason desu)anyways, there is, in fact, a very good reason why you dont wanna just dig up something thats been buried for literally 10000yrs and leave it exposed to the elements. its been EXTREMELY well-preserved thanks to how it was buried, and its important that it stays that way while its being dug out. the history of archaeology is littered with exs of ppl fucking up shit that literally wasnt even half as old as this place>but whys it taking so long?two words: intl bureaucracybut lets list the more general problems:>its in turkey>REEEE nooooooo its not in turkey its in KURDISTAN REEE-[detonates vest]>the nearby border cunt just got done fighting a 15yr civil war>that cunt is now run by AQ>dumb intl red tape>slightly more understandable archaeological red tape>getting a dozen intl cunts to agree on fucking anything>getting hundreds of intl eggheads to agree on fucking anything>k but whos payin for it tho?take ur pickdid i mention its in turkey, bordering syria, and the area is full of kurds (aka retards)?
>>537291994I don't have much time for entertaining your silliness.Yes one year apart. Ancient civilisations even much more primitive than 4th century BCE greeks knew about recurring celestial movements, and had calendars based on them.The synchronic method is just what's used today to replicate the experiment (which you could do and check yourself).Not a non sequitur at all. If you were right and those you think are "rays" were actually how light diffusion worked, shadows would make absolutely no sense and be uniform and change constantly. You can easily test this yourself by having a strong non directional source of light and move away from it. After a certain distance the rays (which is actually irradiation at that point) become parallel.And the Sun is distant several hundred thousands kilometers even in a flat earth model.To have non parallel divergence of sun rays, the sun should hover a few dozen meters from ground and be the size of a football stadium.
>>537292316>>we can’t excavate it because we have to do it laterI didn't say this. That is your strawman. Try again.>>537292330I'll admit the argon mught be a bit excessive. But the fact that even satirical abundance of caution is technically feasible just strengthens my point.
>>537269835Its a mystery if you are broke and need a research grant.
>>537292441>how light diffusion worksThere was no light diffusion in Ancient Greece?> Ancient civilisations even much more primitive than 4th century BCE greeks knew about recurring celestial movements, and had calendars based on them.Yes the clockwork above is extremely predictable. They did all this without being heliocentric globists. This is why Newton invented calculus, to derive new formulas from the ancient math that could still “fit” but hide the true values
>>537275243Sure jan. Now explain all those clam fossils on mountain tops worldwide. Now explain the large cracks on the deep ocean floors worldwide. Now explain the discovery of vast oceans of water underneath us, just as the Bible says (Fountains of the great deep were broken open to cause the flood). It was worldwide.
>>537292635Then they created plate tectonics to explain away those ocean floor cracks when they were discovered in the 1960s. The reality is the crust cracked open like an egg, and flooded the world. A lot of ejecta made all the craters on the moon, Mars, (large craters are on ONE SIDE), asteroid belts (THERE ARE 3 ASTERIOD BELTS NOT ONE). All that is ejected Earth material from the Global flood. Meteors and Comets came from Earth Ejecta. Hydroplate theory is mostly correct.
>>537292838The Crust is still cracked open and still moving in vibration from the Flood Event. The Pre-Flood Earth must have been very stable. No earthquakes, probably at all. Water came up from the ground. Possibly little to no rain. No need for tornados or thunderstorms. A thicker atmosphere. Higher air pressure. And some say temperatures were not as extreme - the poles were possibly pleasant, not freezing cold because the canopy above.
>>537292512>try againI literally just asked you to state your position. You cry that I am misrepresenting you and refuse to clarify, because your position is always slipping and sliding around.I also just explained that. This is why I said you are not a good listener,
>>537292512i mean argon could workyou probably would use some noble gas to increase the pressure without introducing outside air/moisture. but ppl are gonna have to work in there too lol so you need actual breathable air. you just gotta be careful about where that airs from, how clean it is, and how humid it is. most likely just a factor of ventilating the place a very certain wayrly tho, the main problems are that its situated in an extremely politically unstable area (to put it mildly)
>>537293159I had already explained that your version was a strawman prior and you felt it proper to repeat the same starwman after it was already explained. Disingenuous pearl clutching doesn't work here. Especially when there is a log of exactly what had been said.But I'll humor you and spell it out, hopefully in a way you can't intentionally contort like you have been doing:Deferring excavation to a later date means the archeologists will likely have better tools at their disposal. This minimizes the risk that information, which is the whole reason for the excavation, will be lost in the process.>>537293221To be fair, I mentioned the argon thing in reference to the Chinese tombs, which are already a hermetically sealed container.Idk if building an enclosure around a site like Gobekli tepe is strictly necessary since everything's encased in dirt as far as I know. Just handing out some vacuum bags for organic material is probably good enough. And keeping an enclosure free of contamination and moisture would basically be just an AC and a HEPA filter.And yeah, political instability is like 99% of the real reason.
