Can someone explain how they won to me?
America's War Objectives: Mission Failed
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>>537288036They didn't lost
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>>537288195This. We didn't win. USA strategic goals failed(mostly)
>>537288036forced amerigolem to pay 300X more for an update to the previous deal that was already in place.
Trump wonMaga wonTrannies lostLibturds lostIsrael first and onlyMaga!!!!!
>>537288036>gets a new supreme leader who isn’t a decrepit old man>gets billions of dollars >all sanctions lifted >all assets unfrozen >all those dead protestors memoryholed Which of these things benefits Americans?
>>537288125We will get then next time!
>>537288195>>537288261How can you not lose if you don’t win?
>>537288125Snake!?!? SNAAAAAAKE!!!!
>>537288036Simple, higher pain tolerance. The U.S. lost due to their unwillingness to sacrifice and do what it takes to achieve victory, much like every war the United States has been in post World War 2.
>>537288280>Trump wonDo you feel like winning yet!?I feel change is in the air! Affordable houses. Zoomers getting laid! White people making babies left and right!That multi billion dollar deal!? That my friend is called WINNING! The american way baby!I can already see all these immigrants being deported and that wall going UP! Remember the wall!? Is gonna be built any day now!Americans are so cool! Shadilay and MAGA bros!Remember, for every donation the trump administration gets one foreskin is saved!If you are a young man who just joined the work force then don't worry! These decades you have left until retirement I will be with you! Americans stay united!If you divorce, your girlfriend cheats on you, none of it matters as America comes FIRST!Don't feel bad if you short or bald, ugly fat or sad, Americans put LOVE above all!Spread this message to the world! Together we can overcome evertyhing!#EndRacism #ImmigrateToday #RememberNoRussian#GunControlNOW
They didn't, this shit's going to start back up in a few months and escalate further like it has been for the last two years
>>537288036Drumpf didn't send in troops to clear out the tunnels inside the mountains
>>537288036I wonder how this will shake out in the long term. Hopefully new younger leadership will learn the important weapon that nukes could have prevented all of this and the former ayatolla's reluctance was absolutely suicidal. they have every opportunity for 30 years and now they have seen what not having nukes gets you. Aside from that it made most of the west far more sympathetic to them.
>>537288288>all mossad spies flushed out and killed>Iran tolling strait of hormuz>Israel and Americas relationship on the rockstotal Iran victory
>>537288036The US ran out of stand off missiles and can only produce new ones at a rate of one a month. Specifically JASSM missiles.Not having any stand off missiles means that they would have to fly planes over Iran to hit targets... They were getting shot down.Iran is a failure of 50 years of US strategic planning. Everyone now knows how to defeat the US military.They are going to have to go back and rethink everything.
>>537288313We winning would mean having atomic bomb.Losing would mean regime toppledAmerica winning would be nuclear destruction(success), missiles destruction(failed), regime toppled(failed, reformist were always there), make us stop funding terrorists(failed)So either they failed their goals or stalemate
>>537288036freemasoniggers astroturfed christianity hard since 2016 and planned to have millions of goyim enlisting for the nu(((crusade))) but the antichristian shitposters on /pol/ stopped them
>>537288507But there was a fatwa against nuclear weapons. It’s not like you were ever going to build them anyway
>>537288036usa chickened out
>>537288036>Can someone explain how they won to me?1: Mining the straight of Hormuz was easy to accomplish and did a huge amount of damage to the international economy putting a huge pressure on the US to end the war quickly. 2: Firing a ton of cheap drones at targets all over the place and forcing the United States and Israel to use up all their million dollar interceptor missiles shooting down $20,000 drones was a good strategy.3: They spent years building underground missile bases that could survive heavy assaults.4: America's only real option to change the war would be to double down and do a full scale ground invasion which would turn into another Vietnam scale debacle in very tough terrain with a lot of dead American soldiers. Such a war would have absolutely no support from the American people so it was never really an option.The United States lost the war before it ever started. There was no strategy for us to win. The kikes tricked Trump into thinking that the Iranian regime was on the verge of collapse because they used the Mossad to incite a bunch of color revolution protests and riots before the war started then exaggerated how many people the Iranian government killed. When the Iranian people failed to rise up against their government the US strategy had already failed. Israel didn't care though because they just wanted a distraction while they invaded Lebanon and viewed any damage done to Iran as a fringe benefit.
>>537288579That was for easing tensions with west. Fatwas don't really mean anything.Regime always wanted to have the nukes, since 2003. But they wanted to have the nukes and good economics at the same time.
>>537288261How did you not win?Were lifting all sanctions.Youre going to toll the Strait of Hormussy.Were giving you 400+ billion dollars.All you have to do is promise to not make a bomb (you already did).You lost one old guy and some schoolgirls.You won, tranny.
>>537288036They didn't.
>>537288036the threshold for a win as a third world country vs the USA is much lower than the other way around. So post WWII Afghanistan, North Vietnam and Iran won. Iraq lost. North Korea lost but in the same was as Iraq lost Gulf War I.
>>537288036>Can someone explain how they won to me?Yea they went to war with a retarded conman, who after a decade of being assured by millions of Americans he can literally do no wrong and he's perfect in everyway, thought he could get Iran to surrender in only a few weeks. When reality set in that he fucked up, his only option was to end the war by any means necessary before midterms, even if that means paying billions to Iran. And as usual, miggers are doing backflips to justify that this, along with everything else Trump does, was the greatest thing ever yet again.
>>537288036if panama attempted to shutdown the canal how would panama fare?>lol
>>537288747Because winning is defied by the objectives of war. We don't care about 300 billion money. We wanted the nukes. The goal was to have every middle eastern country armed with nukes,even our enemies.In fact, first thing we're gonna do is revive the nuclear program with that money and this cycle will never end
>>537288342What is achieving victory? No nuke Iran? Why does North Korea have nukes?
>>537288707There was a perfectly fine strategy for us to win which was escalating in the summer when the water riots started. But Israel more or less pulled the trigger on the war early, before all US assets were in position, and before Iran's economic situation was at maximum stress. Because Bibi needed to keep continuing a crisis so he remains in office and Israel in general wants to keep the US eternally engaged.But ultimately this is eating seed crop because the US public opinion of Israel is now at an all-time low. Net negative for the first time in Israeli history. When you subtract people over 60 (boomers) it's even worse. Millennial evangelicals are at 37% pro Israel. That's literally as good as it gets for them in the youth demographics, and there is 0 reason to believe these people will have more sympathy for Israel as they age.Israel wanted to use these last years of US support to use their golem to smash the rival powers in the middle east which is why they were gesturing at Turkey next, before they had even gotten their golem to destroy Iran. Which could have happened, if Trump was willing to completely nuke his legacy by starting another land war in Asia.$300bln in fake money is honestly a fine deal to cement permanent disgust for US engagement in the middle east and finally getting a total withdrawal, hopefully followed by massive pogroms. (both here and abroad).
>>537288036>Can someone explain how they won to me?hole in mountain tough
Sure, no problem: >>537268457
>>537289185>Why does North Korea have nukes?because China wants them to have nukes and what's anyone gonna do about it?
>>537288036HIgh defense and a lack of will entirely on our side. We've been near solidly warring for this entire century and we're tired of it
>>537288707>>537289188>There was a perfectly fine strategy for us to win which was escalating in the summer when the water riots startedThe drought ended though. So that plan was out the window too. The reality is there wasn't enough internal opposition in Iran for us to incite an uprising. Maybe we could have pulled it off with more groundwork; but as you said the kikes wanted to push for this war fast and Bibi needed it to distract from his corruption.
>>537288036They prepared for this war for decades, dug in deep (literally).Trump got a call from Bibi and went in without a plan 20 minutes later.
The only way for the US to win was a ground invasion, which has zero support in the public and would destroy the GOP permanently (Trump's retarded war for Israel will probably still tank it in the mid terms)
>>537288747>You lost one old guy and some schoolgirls.>he says, coping like he's injecting it straight into his muzzie shitskin brownoid veins like heroinYea, I guess their entire navy was just a bunch of school girls, lmao
>>537288451>>Israel and Americas relationship on the rocksDon't believe that for a second, the US is still Israel's goy slave.
>>537288036falling super power thinks its 1991. Compare alone what the US war gear the US had in desert storm and now.
>>537288036Neither the jews nor Trump are very smart
>>537288036300 billion divided by the 300,000 Jews living in Iran…
>>537288036well, america is ruled by the epstein class who sold everything to china, while iran bought drone components from china, and the ayatollah told the iranians to spend decades digging indestructible mountain fortresses instead of having holocaust and slavery class and experimenting with genders and divorcing
>>537289346Spring rains mostly pushed off the inevitable. What Iran has isn't a lack of rain, it's the systemic destruction of its groundwater and freshwater systems by retarded management, which is still going on. A few rain events will not fix this issue.
if the reports are true, then everyone inside the pentagon and DoD told trump that this would be an unwinnable war. that they would close the strait, and how with modern drones anything short of a ground invasion and occupation would make stopping such a blockade impossiblethey knew all this, but supposedly trump trusted bibi who said "it's ok we got you this is gonna be quick no worries"
>>537288036Oliver Tree died
>>537288036.They never won anything.
>>537288036>Can someone explain how they won to me?Allah the merciful, works in mysterious ways.
>>537288036Because the regime didn't fall and now they are getting $300B and sanctions lifted
>>537288709yeah everyone knows japan can build a nuke in 6 months if they want it, and its not like theres a shortage of iranian physicists and engineers. netanyahu wasnt wrong that iran can make a nuke, there was just the international nonproliferation treaties and foreign relations
>>537288036Trump thought he could do there what he did to Venzuela, listened to Bibi's goading, Ignored any generals who dared to point out that it's potentially going to cause issues with the strait, and then couldn't commit to an actual ground quagmire (thank god for that).Meanwhile Iran built their entire infrastructure around this type of exact moment. To become resilient against foreign bombings, rebuild the offensive capabilities quickly, and turned the Zagros into a massive militarized shield.
>>537288992>with that moneyits not the money its the lack of international pressure, i could build a nuke in my garage if no one would stop me
>>537289484Imagine maintaining the largest military and convincing everyone that you would never use it because it's unpopular.You've lost trust in your military and in your debt service.You're falling even lower than the British did after World War II.That is why Russia continues to fight; strategically, it cannot give up its military strength - its ability to use it.The fact that the U.S. is doing this is just weird."We wont, bc they dont like it."
Iran won because they were using resource warfare
>>537288036>do nothing>win
>>537288036They didn't get two nukes and then get forced to "surrender" in the newspapers
>>537288036They got bombed out the ass, created tensions with their neighbors, civilan areas are destroyed, hundreds of civilians are killed and over a hundred children killed in one attack alone more likely dead, israel still wants them all dead... but they get a 300B stimmie and charge boats tolls so they totally heckin wonned.
>>537290308>e maintaining the largest militarya lot of military spending is pure waste of the "$100 for one screw" variety. The rest is spent on the airforce and navy, which don't help that much with land occupations, which always fail anyway.>That is why Russia continues to fight;Ukraine is their redline, if it goes, the country is basically over.
>>537288036United States Tactical VictoryIranian Strategic VictoryKind of like every war the USA has fought since WW2
>>537288036different objectives. america's goal>unconditional surrender: failediran's goal>truce where they control the future of the strait: achieved
>>537289655Sounds like a good campaign issue for some moderate we throw shadow money behind.
>>537290455You forgot>US gets embarrassed by a 3rd world country, again
>>537290455They're getting 300 billion in private investors trying to turn a profit. They aren't getting US tax dollars and it's likely it won't be dollars at all. Probably, investors that are strategic partners in the region.
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>>537288507Except, the US didn't achieve "nuclear destruction". The MoU maintains the status quo. Iran gets to keep it's enriched uranium. As well as not being capped like they were with JCPOA. If future Iranian leadership wanted to pursue a nuclear weapon. Nothing about this MoU would make it substantially harder for them to quickly acquire one.
>>537288036They didn't winMost of the "300 billion" will go to countless Epstein islands and only a few billion will be for reparationsWar had always been a scam, and Americans are being ripped off again and again, and in real time this time
>>537291250see>>537291074
>>537288186This has been a good war for everybody. Those bases served their purpose. The show is over now its time to go home.
>>537290308the US public would probably be more willing to consider it if it hadn't just been through two utterly disastrous middle east conflicts recently + even the slightest interventions seems to just fuck everything up (libya).
>>537288036God wills itThey held their placeThey were capable enough and had capable allies (Russia, China, Hezbollah, Yemen)Bonus: We had a live demonstration on how volatile and weak globohomo is and people are indeed goy cattle to let themselves be led around by such weak volatile bag of hot fart
>>537288036They're the Land of Aryans
>>537288186@Grok is this true?
>>537289955Remember when Iran took hostages under Carter and wouldn't release them until Carter was out of office and it cost him reelection. We killed the Ayatollah.
>>537289346sinfest has never been funny and it has a troon artstyle.
>>537292381>We killed the Ayatollah Fuck I forgot that happened. Damn that's kind of crazy lmao
>>537293140I'm generally not a huge fan; but I like that one.
>>537288571Taco did the same with chinks and also NAFTA, THE WALL ETC... back in 2017 and lost>>537112025same homo taco bluffs vs chinks in 2017 until he bent over to chink microdick in 2018
>>537288036Drone Strike Uno Reverso.
>>537288036Giving up their uranium ends their ambitions to be a dominant power in the Middle East. They cucked big time because they had no choice. Only delusional sandniggers think that giving up what they were unwilling to budge on before the war is somehow them winning.
>>537288036they won by not being a bitch for israel, which history will remember them for through all eternity. Unlike you amerishits of the epstein states, goofy freaks of nature
>>537288600Taco did the same with chinks and also NAFTA, THE WALL ETC... back in 2017 and lost>>537112025same homo taco bluffs vs chinks in 2017 until he bent over to chink microdick in 2018
>>537288036they will still make uranian which they never stopped and usa did not destroy hiding inside mountains. they got 300billion dollars for the lives of like 6000 people but the country population is 93.2 million people
>>537288036Two third world nations picked a fight with Iran.
>>537288288>Which of these things benefits Americans?Accelerating our kiked government's downfall.Waking up more Americans to the jew problem.
>>537288036Cheap drone swarms destroy bases and expensive battleships.
why do we suck so much
>>537288036They lost tactically, obviously. They got obliterated, and did relatively little damage to US material or personnel. Far less than Iraq did in the 91 gulf war, for instance. Strategically, it remains to be seen. It depends on what happens to their nuclear program. I highly doubt the war is over anyways. This is just a formal 60 day cease fire. I think they are just resetting the economy, and arming back up. Trump evoked the Defense Production Act to speed up missile production.>>537288263We aren't paying them anything. IF the cease fire even lasts, there will be an unfreezing of their own assets. And, there's talk of "300 billion dollars" in private investments. It's not going to be tax dollars. There's no way that would ever pass congress, in the first place.
>>537295825>battleshipsdid you see the kriegsmarines bismarck or the uss new jersey or something during your pedo operation epstein fury? you dense amerishit. you are so embarrasing its unreal
>>537288036They not ruled by hubristic narcissists and psychopaths. They put actually intelligent people in power.
>>537288036Their state and all of its apparatus still exists and is internally stronger than before, they removed enemy military presence from the region, got access to frozen funds, got sanctions lifted, got a wedge inbetween israel and the US, they dont have to pay anything to the gulf states they fucked up, they made a bunch of money off tolls, and they didnt have to give up anything except a promise to "talk about" the bigger things like nuclear shitYes we fucked their military up but they can just build back and they have spent all this negotiating time furiously doing so.
>>537288036Kind of easy to win when your enemy is too pussy to even invade you and just drops bombs on little girls.
>>537296307presumably he meant, warships, ya sperg.
>>537288036They successfully attacked and destroyed key US military assets even a few grounded F35s and strangled the strait. They get everything they wanted we said we would not give them such as sanctions relief, $100 billion in unfrozen assets, $300 billion in reparations, and control over the strait where they said they'd charge fees. We also promised to not increase troop levels in the region. Somehow despite our military destroying theirs, they won all their war goals and we got nothing in return except a vague promise.
>>537288036Just better.
>>537288263The funds are coming from private arab investors, and maybe some American ones. If it even happens. I would be dubious that this cease fire holds.
>>537296565oh no saying? you dumb ameriasswipe, your boomer homeboy didnt even know the basic bitch enourmous difference between battleship and warship while trying to sound all hardass
>>537296795A big impact is $100 billion in unfrozen Iranian assets too. Arabs have denied paying into these funds. It's a lot of money going to Iran to do whatever they want.
>>537288036It was Aryans vs Mutts. Couldn't have ended any other way.
>>537288036They didn't. They were pressured into opening the strait for 60 days in return for lifting the blockade and nothing else.>>537288125Either Iran will stick to the promise of removing nuclear dust or it will be bonked again.
They didn't win. There is an "Operation Iran Posts" discord somewhere to deflect from the overtaking of Europe. Everytime we win the shitpost flood in.
>>537296660>They successfully attacked and destroyed key US military assets even a few grounded F35sOne day of US government spending while their entire navy and airforce is dead>They get everything they wanted we said we would not give them such as sanctions relief, $100 billion in unfrozen assets, $300 billion in reparations,Nothing of this until they let nuclear dust to be removed and Hezbollah stops attacking Israel (which they won't)>and control over the strait where they said they'd charge feesNothing like this is in any published version of the agreement >We also promised to not increase troop levels in the regionThere is already enough to crush them and they could only kill 14 soldiers
>>537296968why so angry though?
>>537297483That's weird. Discord and most of western social media are banned here.
>>537288992>The goal was to have every middle eastern country armed with nukes,even our enemies.But that makes all nukes useless.The purpose of having a nuke is to give you strategic deterrence. So that no enemy could ever go 'all the way'.But it doesn't stop conventional warfare. Your enemy just knows it can't go too far with the war, at best it can try to win an attrition war, just like it plays out with Russia right now. They're stuck in an attrition war but they can't escalate to nukes either. So they might lose because they can't escalate.
>>537297563So what you're saying is the MOU is DOA? And Iran might as well not open back the strait for free?
>>537297803You're not in India . It's "Operation No H1-B" cope.
>>537290308There's nothing the US can win from striking Iran more.If they cause more damage it would flip the population rabidly against the USA. And then the regime would become strengthened for decades.Thus defeating the purpose of achieving any military 'win'.And the US can't invade either.While Iran can continue to disrupt Hormuz with little shit that can't be tracked from satellites or radars. It's enough to halt one fifth of the global oil market.Really the worst country the US could have gone to war with. It can't use its advantages.
>>537296059>It's not going to be tax dollars.yea that's reserved for our greatest ally.
>>537293713Iran doesn't really need nukes to be militarily dominant in the region. Their huge-ass missiles and endless supply of drones are enough of a threat.
>>537288186America gets humbled. This has been something
>>537297563>their entire navy and airforce is deadThey never invested much of their navy, it wasn't important.They had/have old shit in terms of fighter jets and air defences, but I think they're buying more recent Chinkshit and they might improve.Their strong points were missiles and endless supply of drones. As well as land army that has a grip on the regions and population.
>>537288036Pol is a sandnigger propaganda board seek info elsewhere
>>537288036More like a stalemate. Neither side won but neither side really lost except irans head sand nigger and a bunch of other top sand niggers. US learned it cant defend against hypersonic missiles so back to the drawing board. What china and russia do with this info is to be seen but if I know anything about this gay earth its that nothing ever happens so dont get your hopes up for any kind of earth shattering happening. Just more gay proxy wars until this dollar finally shits the bed. But here we are 40 trillion in debt and shits still chugging along
>>537288036there was no war, it was all a psyop. the only real attack were at the start that killed the childs from that girl school (they were sacrificed to baal) the the death of the ayatollah. those aside no other bombs nor attacks. the goal of this psyop?>change the iranian gov to other in neutral/favorable to the IMEEC(the great israel)>force tolls and controls over hormuz strait (to fuck china in the war)>destroy the petro-dollar system to open the doors for future israel expansions and the global reset of the economic to go to cbdc (which already somewhat installed through stable coins like usdt)>increase the instability in usa to make easir the change of gov to a full techno-feudalism
>>537288507>We winning would mean having atomic bomb.>iran>atomic bombNO, iran had no plans for atomic bombs, litterally is banned by religious laws. Iran goal was never the atomic bomb, the highly enriched uranium, and the nuclear and missile programs were never to have the bomb but rather threat about having it. it was deterrence strategy rather than a goal, if they wanted it they could have theorically done it long ago.
>>537288036you need oil, they stop oil.
>>537297563Kurds were just bombed the other day by either an Iranian F-5 or F-14. Trump and that drunk retard Kegsbreath lied.
>>537297301>Either Iran will stick to the promise of removing nuclear dust or it will be bonked again.>he didn't read the deal
>>537288186Based map.Imagine how many zogbots died from the iranian missiles hitting their bases though.. ZOGmerica will never reveal the real numbers
>>537289346I miss pedobear memes.
>>537298439>stalemateWhat stalemate ends with one side giving the other all that cash?
>>537288036They are Aryan, mutts are shitskins
>>537288036Easy, Trump is an idiot who thinks the real world works like reality tv does. Iran didn't win, Trump lost.
>>537298972Iran won all its war goals and strategic gains though.
>>537288036Human lives? completely expendable. Order, alliances and peace?? Laughable, completely optional. Geneva laws and rules of engagement? Naw braw we'll kill everyone and glass civilizationThreaten OIL? DATACENTERS? PROFIT??? THE STOCK MARKET???!111!No siree, we fucking surrender. The middle east is yours
>>537298908I got fucking permabanned by the faggy /tv/ mods for posting a pedo bear meme. Granted the mod staff over there is trash; but it pissed me off that it managed to go through review and not get shot down. When they permaban someone the review should really go through a mod outside the board that made the ban because the /tv/ mods are mad with power.
>>537298908>>537299070And that pic of him wearing a fucking sombrero is what I posted along with a pervy joke comment, which was a standard joke back in the day.
>>537298674This, it was Iran attempt to force USA back into a deal. Jcpoa wasn't a deal ira loved, but it was something they could love with , it was something they would prefer over war
>>537298674https://isis-online.org/isis-reports/the-plan-irans-nuclear-archive-shows-it-originally-planned-to-build-five-nu/We wanted to buy nukes from NK,but they didn't give us. Even one of Khamenei advisors said if we just shut our mouth and quietly started the program,We would've had nukes the same time as they did.
>>537299215>We wanted to buy nukes from NK,but they didn't give us.well if we are going about this in fact iran bought a nuke from pakistan to dismantle it and investigate it. if i remember well its no longer operational
>>537288186yeah but 0 (zero) casualties and a fire at the laundry of the biggest fleet carrier hehe right?
>>537288707>2Its honestly so pathetic that the us military did not predict that.
America has got a president with dementia.
>>537288036They made everyone a cuck to soaring fuel/gas cost which raises the cost of everything.
>>537288125Anon here is omnipotent and knows everything about US strategical plans. Absolute tard
>>537299471and he was smarter and more competent than the retard in charge now
>>537288036They choked ZOG out by closing the strait.
>>537288036>Resisted attempts by US/Israel ton force an uprising/regime change>Repeatedly refused to capitulate to US demands to open the strait >Demonstrated to neighbouring US allies that they can hit their countries and US military bases with impunity >Got a favourable deal from Trump that enriches them, hurts Israel and doesn't require any meaningful concessions from them in return
They can toll the straight
>>537288036US was the attackerIran was only defending itselfUS realized they had gotten themselves into somothing bigger than they had thought. (Plus Israel began hitting Lebanon)Probably less costly to pay now than continue junking money.Plus the the risk of loosing and loosing it’s facePlus US mid-terms comingYes US looks like a buunch of idiotsIsrael elections 27 October 2026US mid-terms 3 November 2026I would not be surprised hostilities start back after that.Gives time to Iran to replenish too.Is it a final truce or an angreement hat will not hold? Probably somewhere in between.
>>537288036They rolled a DEF build and it beat the US STR build
>>537299617This. The plan was always to affirm their nuclear facilities and give them 400 billion dollars. Mission accomplished. Just ignore the literal Whitehouse government website page saying (for the second time) they completely destroyed them. Just whatever you do dont go tohttps://www.whitehouse.gov/releases/2025/06/irans-nuclear-facilities-have-been-obliterated-and-suggestions-otherwise-are-fake-news/For any reason. The fake news about the fake news is fake
>>537288707>>537299428>2>Its honestly so pathetic that the us military did not predict that.You have to remember that the military industrial complex loves wasting money. The concept that they could ever run out of supplies is a very alien concept to a system that largely exists to funnel taxpayer money into the hands of the security apparatushttps://youtu.be/-5Ti92b_Kz8.
>leaders killed>military destroyed>capitulate and cease nuclear weapons programs>winningtds is incredible
>>537288036>Stop hurting the jews!>No.>Stop hurting the jews or I will kill you biggly!>No.>Understandable. Here's 300B and an extra 100B for goodwill, go blow up the jews King.
>US military is conventional, organized, but bloated and wasteful. >iranians are insane and use chaos. they have the home turf. they mined the strait. they stockpiled drones and missiles. they could've bugged in for another 6-12 months, forcing the US to kill a ton of civilians
>>537288036>Can someone explain how they won to me?There's no mods on /b/ and some fags are flooding log threads and BBC. I'm of the opinion they want to purge the usual posters in order to dilute the quality of other boards like /pol/
>>537300173>military destroyedThey were able to still strike at US bases and keep the strait closed. Leaders changed and their regime is stronger than ever. They did not promise ceasing their nuclear program.
>>537288036>Can someone explain how they won to me?By threatening the economy with bombs.
>>537288036They not only realized they effectively own one of the biggest financial chokepoints in the world, but managed to successfully defend it.
>>537288036> Get attacked > Shoot back > Destroy enemies > They stop and say ok we won't so it again sorry
>>537288186OMG more 4d Chess from the co-conspirators putting on a show for normies. America gets to take their shit the fuck out of the middle east. Iran gets the regime change they want. Israel gets to attack Gaza and Lebanon off the radar. What a smoke show. They are all in cahoots.
Allah wills itSimple as
>>537300173>leaders killedWe replaced a theocracy with a fatwa on nuclear weapons with an overt military dictatorship. We only killed the liberals.>military destroyedIf that were true why did we not just land troops in Tehran and take over the country?>end nuclear weapons programThe enforcement mechanism of which is "trust me bro", and even then they only agreed to talk about it later.Meanwhile Iranians got>no more sanctions>no more US in the Persian Gulf>Israel cucked in Lebanon>$300 billion in cash
>>537288186Iranians are incredible warriors.
>>537288036In the minimal sense the regime endured and survived, signalling strength internally and externally. But they were also able to achieve a bunch of further strategic goals like de facto controlling the Strait/establishing precedent to threaten the Strait for deterrence. And the MoU, beyond the economic incentives like the reconstruction fund, is principally status quo oriented and the regime doesn't have to commit to much at all. If you think the American empire is good this is a really bad strategic result all things considered.
>>537300798>Iran military is 1 million soldiersImagine losing and thinking those numbers mean anything.
>>537300798>cropping air losses in an air war>againLel
>>537300883WRONG AGAIN. It’s 994,000.
>>537288261>We didn't win
>>537300838Lifting the sanctions, if it actually happens, is a transformational change for Iran. They're economy has been strangled for decades and their still one of the most powerful countries in the region, they will completely dominate it with the shackles off. That alone would have been worth suffering 10 wars like this.
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>>537288036why is ever thread shilling for this muslim shithole either DR or Australian?
>>537301628And keep in mind Russia/China will certainly also help rearm and rebuild as well. A strong Iran controlling the Strait is huge for them.It's why I'm skeptical that substantial sanctions relief will really happen. If I had to guess Trump is hoping the issue just sort of disappears while the negotiations inevitably drag on and the next admins deal with it.
>>537288036They only lost their Supreme Leader, their top military leaders, 90% of their offensive weapons and now have to deplete all their enriched uranium.If this doesn't sound like winning to you then what else?
>>537288313stalemate
>>537288036the west is too busy losing to russia
>>537298872I did. 60 days to negotiate how to remove dust. If they won't get to do that the deal is over.>>537297881If they break the deal they will give Trump a just cause and even Democrats and Macron won't be able to deny that.
>>537304320It is extendable by mutual consent though and as the last several weeks of Trump's negotiations during the ceasefire has shown I would not expect the deal to be definitively 'over' once the deadline passes
>>537288487I fear this may be closer to the truth, given that the optics of this deal are so horrible that I can't see how Trump could think this is better than keeping the blockade in place.Probably the DoD knows if Iran starts firing off ballistic missiles or Shehads targeting desalination plants, etc., there's little that can be done to stop it, save retaliating in kind.
>>537288036Mountainous terrain that protects from US air power and there is not good countertech for cheap drone swarms yet.
>MAGAtards really thought they could pull off a memezuela operation in fucking Iran.This fucking people.
>>537288036the US couldnt get enough warscore for its peace deal so they had to peace out and give war reparations to Iran because war exhaustion was ticking up every monththey should use a casus belli next time
Iran is the biggest untapped economy on the planet due to sanctions. Iran has a 92 million population, gas, oil, minerals worth trillions, caviar, saffron, car, drone, missile and tourism industry. Etc.. Irans economic potential are at 2-3 trillion if everything goes well in the coming decades. America would make lots of money investing, probably 3x that they invest, and hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs for average Americans.
>>537298203>>537298895>brownoids>also flat earthersmany such cases
>>537288487your third world brown shithole has never won a war
>>537288036They had the world economy by the balls
Bump
