is this normal for a 5th year of special operation
>>537317659>ack !
time for real peace talks NOW
>>537317659Its all part of the planZ
>>537317659And yet...Russia undefeated...The U.S. surrenders to Iran.
Did you not consider that Russia allowed these drones to hit their refinery so that they can escalate the war and deal a crushing blow on Ukraine?
>>537317659 Rebuild it all for free ! That's what Russia is thinking . Like Trump start a war and rebuild their country like Afghanistan who hasn't changed.
>>537318591Yea totally, potin won 90% of the vote last election. Now finally, if only he can get the remaining 10% of support to come onboard and then finally he will be able to do it.
>>537318591No. The front pages of Russian news have a little mention of Moscow highway being temporarily closed but otherwise the authorities are pretending this did not happen. They would be playing it up if they wanted to justify escalation.
>>537317659>>dedicate inordinate amount of resources to score propaganda points>>manage to hit oil tanks (super important target of which there is a lack of in Russia)>>make 500 threads about it as if you won the war>hohols lost a plane capable of using strategic missiles today>This is just a distraction from impending fall of Konstantinovka and probable fall of Lyman, which segues into begging for more money.This is a massive distraction from hohols mass losing a war lll
>>537317659Massive escalation pointThis is a humiliation blow to PutinNeeds a very strong response
>>537318591>Did you not consider that Russia allowed these drones to shut down the source of 50% of fuel in the region of moscow to escalate the warbrilliant plan
Russia lost
>>537318532Trump doesn't have the surplus of cannon fodder fauna that Pootin has. He prized amerimutt lives higher than Jewtin prizes russniggers. But it's for the glorious motherland ili chto-to.
>>537317659Realistically why didn’t russia back off when they knew it wasn’t going well like the US?
Meanwhile Russian tanks advancing on all fronts. Trannies may delude themselves they cannot deluded the reality.
>>537317659i wonder what the big prize will be for ukraine if they actually manage to press russia too hard
>>537319391they got bricked into this being existential for their state
>>537319391They should just nuke Ukraine. Problem solved.
>>537317659It's not like first disaster of russian military>it would be first win if they won
>>537317659BURN IT ALL
>>537317659What is the difference between Russia pre 2022 and this?
>>537319650They can't because nukes aren't real. They only exist inside your mind.
>>537319555It's not seen as existential or even a war. If Putin goes live on TV this night and says the SMO is won with all objectives achieved, 90% of the population will accept it without batting an eye.
>>537318591AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>537318105Lmfao
>>537319555You're completely retarded if you think building tanks, ammo, drones and wasting them in Ukraine is beneficial for the average Russian when they could sell those tanks, ammo, drones on the international market instead dumbo
>>537318591>the first step towards winning is to suffer massive, embarrassing, and devastating financial loses and major environmental disastersNow this is 4D chess
>>537319174I want Russia to win just as much as the next guy, but to pretend this is not a big deal is beyond delusional cope.
>big smoke for a cool photo op >fixed in a few hours>does nothing to change the battlefield>Zelenskyyyyyyyy & Co. can use it as justification for more money
>>537320236>I want Russia to winWhyHard mode: 0 buzzwords.
>>537318532This is distraction from trump so nobody talks about how he lost to Iran
Test
>>537318591why don't they just defeat Ukraine, what's the need for this elaborate ritual I'm likely too white to understand
>>537319346>Trump doesn't have the surplus of cannon fodder fauna that Pootin has.??? He got x3 the amount...
>>537320354I've had a passing interest in Russian language and culture for many years. It started with exposure to Russian folk music. I thought the alphabet was cool. I learned a few words. And years later I am now actively learning Russian because I would like to visit Moscow and Saint Petersburg and see all the historical attractions, reading everything in the native language. I've just grown to like Russia and it's people over time. That's all. It's not even a political thing for me.
>>537320621Is there any negatives about Russia?
>>537321304Moscow getting bombed is kind of bad I'd say. And like most nations, the leaders and the government are Jew loving, shit skin importing, incompetent pedophiles.
>>537317659>hohol drones weren't shot down>even if they were drone debris don't cause explosion/damagehttps://t.me/militarysummary/29221
Is it normal for uhg kikes to spam these retarded threads for years. Lets not forget krokus mall terrorist attack orchestrated and paid for by ukraine while you actual subhuman faggots laughed and cheered on innocent white europeans getting killed and beheaded
>>537321550>>537321304It doesn't exactly make for a good tourist destination when the capital city is being bombed.
>>537320621Russia would unironically benefit if Jewtin gets toppled. The country is sick, it needs to wake up and stop doing retarded shit.I too don't want Russia to cease to exist but it needs a wake up call.
>>537318532>>537320475Wrong. Marginal tactical/territorial gain was NOT the pre war stated strategic goal of the 3 days SMO.Russia will never regime change kiev. That was one of their strategic goals. They will achieve NONE of their strategic goals. So they are fated to lose.Your misunderstanding comes from not understanding the different levels of warfare, ie, tactical/operational/strategic. The US is said to have "lost" the afhanistan war because they didn't achieve their STRATEGIC goals. Tactically/operationally, they defeated the taliban when they took the capital city of kabul and regime changed the taliban, in Nov 2001. The taliban never it back by force. the US left for strategic reasons, ie, Biden pulled out for political reasons of the war not being popular. This would be like russia taking kiev, then after a while, going, >fuck it, lets split. Russia can't, and won't ever take kiev.The stated and deduced objectives included:>Regime Change: The primary political goal was to replace the government in Kyiv with a new, pro-Russian administration, creating a politically aligned and dependent state.>"Demilitarization": The destruction of Ukraine's military infrastructure, air force, and anti-aircraft defenses, and the prohibition of nuclear weapons, or advanced weaponry on its territory.>"Denazification": Eradication of anti-Russian ideology, legislative changes to abolish perceived discriminatory laws, and the prohibition of nationalist groups.>Neutral Status: Forcing a constitutional amendment committing Ukraine to neutrality, prohibiting participation in NATO or the EU.>Recognition of Territorial Claims: Official recognition of the occupied Crimea as Russian territory and the independence of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics (DPR/LPR).>Preventive Security Strategy: Preventing the expansion of NATO military infrastructure in Ukraine and reducing the threat of an, in their view, inevitable conflict
>>537320534The ass is in the ass
>>537320534>why don't they just defeat UkraineThere's a difference between winning a war and winning the peace. The real problem Russia is facing is that it is trying to fight this war in such a manner that it wins the peace.Thus the real question is, how does Russia win the peace? What is Russia actually hoping to accomplish?
>>537318930The US didn't get de-industrialized by having their it's crude oil/petrochemical enterprise destroyed like russia is having done. The US became more energy DOMINANT because of the iran situation. Many asian countries, for instance, pivoted to US energy sources.Also, russia has been irreprably demographically damaged of their fighting age Euro-gened males, which didn't happen to the US. As well, Russia lost IMMENSE amounts of military materiel, as well as defense industrial base capacity. So many defense industrial base facilities have been hit, it's hard to keep track. In terms of military materiel, for instance, during operation spider web, the AFU took out a good % of Russia's irreplacible strategic bombers. And they have lost strategic bombers in other incidents. The US didn't come close to having something like a B 2 stealth strategic bomber.Russia has lost between 35 and 50 Su-34 for another example.
>>537322401>Thus the real question is, how does Russia win the peace?By not randomly attacking. Too bad they fucked that up despite being BEGGED not to do it.
>>537322475>The US didn't get de-industrialized by having their it's crude oil/petrochemical enterprise destroyed like russia is having doneEvery refinery gets repaired quick, nafo troon. These attacks have zero effect on the Russia military.
>>537322475About half of this is true.1) The problem with US energy is that it will run out. Oil-production was cratering until the fracking revolution. But the current boom cannot last much longer. We do have a lot of natural gas though. If we're going to fight WWIII, we need to do it within the next five years or we're fucked.2) Russia is losing far more whites from below-replacement fertility than from war.3) Russia has essentially unlimited natural resources. It's only true limitation is manpower. Thus, the only losses for Russia that really matter are men.
>>537322723Russia didn't randomly attack, retard. You should literally kill yourself because you're too fucking stupid to live.
>>537319174>gasoline and diesel being rationed across pidorland>"not a big deal"Lmao.
>>537323340So it was a pre-emptive self-defensive invasion? Couldn't this justification have also been made for an invasion of Finland or the Baltic nations?
>>537323935It has zero effect on the Russian military, tranny faggot shill>The Pentagon has seen no evidence that Ukrainian strikes on Russian civilian infrastructure have reduced Moscow’s military capability, a senior defense official told American lawmakers on Wednesday.>Since January, Ukraine has launched over a dozen long-range attacks on Russian energy facilities, including oil depots and refineries, using kamikaze drones to damage several targets. Celeste Wallander, the US Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs, was asked about the tactics and Washington’s concerns regarding them, during a congressional hearing.>Responding to Representative Carlos Gimenez, the Pentagon official said that “so far” the approach did not seem to have affected the Russian military.>“The strikes that we have seen against Russian energy sources have not significantly altered Russia’s ability to prosecute the war,” she said.>“The evidence we’ve seen is that the Russians have been able to rapidly repair the facilities that were struck,” she added, when the Democratic representative from Florida asked whether such attacks could have a greater impact in the future.
>>537319346max ukranny iq at display
>>537318105kek
>>537324658Oh so these supplies were just decoys and distractions? Impressive that the Russian economy is so incredible that they can afford to lose vital resources. Surely the average Russian must be able to fill their car gas tanks up without any restrictions
>>537325184This faggot thinks he knows more than the Pentagon about war.You are a delusional troon from discord.You will say anything for a dollar
>>537325368I am complimenting the Russian nation-state for its ability to handle a situation that no other country on the planet can. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2026/06/18/russias-fuel-shortages-are-manageable-but-the-kremlins-options-are-shrinking-a93046https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russia-slashes-fuel-quality-rules-stave-off-shortages-kommersant-reports-2026-06-15/https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-fuel-crisis-ukraine-war-drone-campaign-oil/33783797.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Russian_fuel_crisis
>>537325368Holy VPN vatnik lmaooooooooo. Keep posting, you're fookin entertaining m8
>>537322401>dog molester
>>537317659This is actually a good strategy. Throw their old refineries into Ukrainian drones. That way they can deploy brand new ones
>>537325900Sounds like Russia's plan was to let Ukraine destroy all of their old Soviet leftovers. Sort of an explosive home makeover!
>>537324280>So it was a pre-emptive self-defensive invasion? Couldn't this justification have also been made for an invasion of Finland or the Baltic nations?Yes, retard. That's the Tragedy of Great Power Politics. Hitler was also acting preemptively.We can of course debate who we prefer to "win", but to say that wars happen randomly is utterly fucking retarded. And anyone who claims stupid shit like that should be immediately shut the fuck up and mocked for their ignorance and stupidity.
>>537324658Retards, many of the refining machines that were "repaired" were not designed to be put togheter after beign torn apart by 50kg warheads and are beign used at lower capacity than normal to avoid further breakdowns.I fucking hate pentagon "analysts"
>>537326196You are a faggotYou hate society in generalIts mostly just pipes and gaskets, faggot shill, its not that hard to fix. We are in the 4th year of refinery bombing, how come every single refinery was repaired in 2 to 6 weeks?Its like your troon brains are broken
>>537321998Perhaps some of the greatest neo-con revisionist cope I've ever seen involving Afghanistan in months.The US failed to take control of the country in a meaningful way (i.e. turning it into a Western satellite state like Iraq) and was unable to control the country despite occupying it, yet you conflate these two modes of "rule". The reality is that the US failed in Afghanistan in a manner no different than how it failed in Vietnam, and the only people who benefited were the MIC, the metastatic tumor of America, along with ZOG.The US does not have a single base in Afghanistan, Afghanistan is not its proxy state, and it fully failed to reach any lasting objective there. You do not waste trillions of dollars on an operation like that and use this insane cope of "fuck it, let's split" and call that a victory; that's cutting your LOSSES, you dumb fucking nigger.But hey, you don't have to believe me; go do a modicum of research and look at the myriad reports of our own command openly admitting ex post facto that they were stringing the American public, as well as politicians, along with blatantly exaggerated reports of how well the war was going for the US for years because no one wanted to own up to the stark reality of what a strategic failure it had become.
>>537323340Thats odd, your text didnt mention Denazification and Demilitarization, or Russian speakers in the Donbas.
>>537328103That text is from a RAND study you fucking moron. RAND is a US-funded think-tank that helps formulate US military strategy and US foreign-policy. It was created by the Air Force during the Cold War. That text is part of a much longer paper called "Extending Russia". Here, go read it. And pic-related is another section.https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html
>>537320038>money is everythingso, how much are you selling your daughter for?
>>537329546>in this 2015 study, people thought russia might be a rational actoryeah, but that went out the window
>>537320621if you like the russian people and culture why the fuck would you want the parasite mafia regime that currently rules over them to win? are you actually so retarded that you think that Putin is a legitimate ruler acting in the interest of the russian nation and not just his criminal clique?
>>537325184Keep coping lil bro, these attacks are just show for the goycattle, they do not have the strategic impact that you wish them to have
>>537331287So Moscow being bombed is all according to plan?
>>537330877It was a 2019 study, retard. It's literally the reason we sent Javelin missiles to Ukraine, and why Trump got impeached the first time. It was the imposition of these policies that created the impetus for Russia to invade. Had it not been for these recommendations, there would have been no war. Furthermore, the entire RAND study, and US foreign-policy, has long been about forcing Russia into an arms-race to keep it poor, and thus to destabilize the Russian political system in preparation for a Kiev-style coup(see Color Revolution).That's the reason we wanted NATO expansion, and that's why we unilaterally pulled out of arms-control agreements. We wanted to put as much pressure on Russia as possible(see Mearsheimer security-dilemma) until they collapsed or surrendered.As the report says, we simply do not give a fuck how many Ukrainians die in the process.
>>537317659that's just a typical Thursday in Moscow.
>>537317659those are ukrainian smoke plumes
>>537318591>SAAR IT IS JUST ANOTHER FEINT SAAR
>>537318532Good thing that Ukraine defends itself, and USA is not doing that instead.
>>537317659The seething and coping of zigger shills means puccia is winning
>>537331427If you actually read what you posted you would know they are using Data from 2015. In any case, using strategic assessments made before Russkia chimped out and send 250k+ men to their death is useless and meaningless. Just like your life.
>>537331841>If you actually read what you posted you would know they are using Data from 2015.The data was polling from 2015. But the report was from 2019. The polling from 2015 was probably more hostile to Russia than polling from 2019 because in 2015 there was still major fighting in the Donbas. By 2019 most people had forgotten about it. Which is why such polling didn't exist, or was excluded.Regardless, what the fuck is your point? You claimed the war was random. It wasn't. It was a response to what America was doing.
>>537332083I think most of us fail to see how invading Ukraine through Belarus was supposed to convince Ukraine that it should not join NATO or the EU.
>>537332083>probably more hostile to Russia than polling from 2019 because in 2015 there was still major fighting in the Donbas. By 2019 most people had forgotten about it.So the reasons Putin provided were bullshit? Why did he lie? Why did he not call US actions out directly and instead started fantazising about Nazi-Jews? >b-b-because he cant just...why? why is it always some convulated bs invented 7 years after the study and 4 years after the full scale invasion? >poor russia is just defending itself yeah yeah, the never aggressive ever expanding biggest country in the world. now post the map with the NATO base in Kz.
>>537332207What was the alternative? Do nothing while Novorossiya is ethnically-cleansed through anti-Russian policies and Crimea becomes a NATO base?
>>537332083>>537332337Also: If its simply a rational security concern, why is there 0 reaction to Finland and Sweden joining? >t.t.the travel time of missil.The baltic sea was already closer to Mscw and St Pete for to fire missiles from than ukraine. makes no sense either.
>>537332337>So the reasons Putin provided were bullshit?What was the reason Putin invaded? Tell me nigger.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrCr0_E742k
>>537332372>while Novorossiya is ethnically-cleansed>2019 because in 2015 there was still major fighting in the Donbas. By 2019 most people had forgotten about it. Right, people just forgot there was ethnical cleansing going on.You are such a time wasting useless bio bot.
>>537318105fucking kek
>>537331841>chimped out and send 250k+ men to their death is useless and meaningless.Nigger, Ukraine lost 40% of its population. 40 fucking percent. In the 90's they were on par with England, now they are little larger than Romania, and there are more young people in Israel than in Ukraine. The place has been completely destroyed and won't be an existential threat to Russia for the next century
>>537317659The losers handed over another 522 winners in baskets today, for 33 of their own.
>>537332520Ukraine lost 200% of its population tranny
>>537332372I'm pretty certain that this war has "cleansed" more Russians than any hypothetical shoah in your non-existent "novorossiya"
>>5373324671) Not having Ukraine as a direct competitor for supplying Energy to the EU2) Wanting to make history as a Russian leader that expanded the territory3) Maybe (maybe) some competent military guys in russia telling him that 10.000 rust buckets are very soon too rusty to ever use again and also will get fucked by new weapons so lets use em now.
>>537332487Answer to his question, nigger. Would the US allow Mexico to host Chinese military bases?
>>537332434>Also: If its simply a rational security concern, why is there 0 reaction to Finland and Sweden joining?Ukraine is not Finland you fucking moron. In the first place, 30-40% of Ukrainians are essentially Russians. Crimea is home to the Black Sea Fleet and almost entirely Russian. Moreover, Ukraine is open steppe-lands that are impossible to defend, contiguous with continental Europe, with a population 10x larger.
>>537332621Look up Ukraine's population in 2021 and compare it to how many people live in Kiev controlled territory today
>>537332658>impossible to defend,Reality is often disappointing.
>>537332337>Why did he not call US actions out directlyHoly shit look at this retard.Russia has been clear on ukraines nigger behavior for 12 years.>But CNN didnt mention it so it didnt happen!CNN is under new leadership. Everyone is getting fired and they are about to start telling you faggots that you will never be a woman
>>537318591Lmao
>>537317659Anon you are suffering a temporary delusional state, there is no smoke over Moscow, obvious hohol AI.
>>537332730>>Why did he not call US actions out directly>Holy shit look at this retard.>Russia has been clear on ukraines nigger behavior for 12 years.No, he didnt. Thats the point. It always some retarded schizo shit.
>>537331341How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning
>>537333175but I had breakfast
>>537332487>people just forgot there was ethnical cleansing going on.Ukraine virtually banned everything Russian, retard. He banned all opposition, he imprisoned Medvedchuk, he shut down all opposition media. Zelenskike even went to the Donbas and told anyone who doesn't want to speak Ukrainian to leave or else.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzXl7nX2rp8Wtf do you think was happening in Ukraine? Gay orgies?This was part of Brzezinski's strategy of "national consolidation".
>>537332988So Putin never mentioned anything about the canal to Crimea being blown up?How do you delusional cocksucking faggots live with yourselves?
>>537332658>home to the Black Sea FleetThe what
>>537332628>I'm pretty certain that this war has "cleansed" more Russians than any hypothetical shoah in your non-existent "novorossiya"Russians were essentially between 16-33% of Ukraine's total population which at one time was more than 50 million. So we're talking about 7 to 15 million who would have been forcefully Ukrainianized or expelled. Those who stayed behind would have been used against Russia, just as they are now.
>>537333311>Ukraine wants to solidify it's identity as an independent nation rather than continue to follow the customs and speak the language of the people that subjugated them and attempted to erase them from historyI don't hear very many people complaining about how Germany made damn sure that East Germans stopped speaking Russian.
>>537318532That's because Trump isn't as retarded as Putin who is 4+ years into his humiliation ritual.
>>537333456>Germany made damn sure that East Germans stopped speaking Russian.Things that never happened, faggot.It was the German Stasi running east Germany, delusional troon
>>537333435So the exact same result happened despite this invasion, except now it's also Russians from Russia dying? I'm not exactly seeing the win here.
>>537318591Russia is an autocracy. Putin doesn't need excuses to escalate the war. If you haven't noticed, he's actually already escalated it just about as far as it can go. The only real further escalation he has is nukes... but China says no. People talk as if Russia is just waiting to turn loose the "real" war -- to muster the steppe hordes and unleash its full power, or whatever. In reality, Russia already can't train, equip, and supply the troops it already has.It's not WWII anymore. Ukraine is getting satellite imagery of Russian movements. The entire front line is under constant drone surveillance. The sad reality for Russia is that it is already fully escalated.
>>537333456>I don't hear very many people complaining about how Germany made damn sure that East Germans stopped speaking Russian.East Germany is not Novorossiya or Crimea, retard. How do you think Ukraine came into existence? Tell me about Volhynia, Transcarpathia, Bessarabia, Crimea, etc. Why do you think Ukraine is so adamant about "territorial integrity"?It's a fake country with fake borders created by literal communists.
>>537333612So how many East Germans speak Russian? Why aren't you kvetching about the de-Russification of East Germany? How about in Poland, or Estonia, or Latvia, or Lithuania? Why isn't Putin trying to "settle the score" with all of these nations?
>>537319230I don't know what, if anything, Putin will do. Ukraine has had similar attacks inside Russia, but it's usually on infrastructure or an assassination attempt on a leader. Russia sometimes will respond by killing more men on the battlefield, but they don't really do much more than that. With Putin in charge I don't see why he would escalate now even though it looks really bad. He's taken so much and has yet to really respond.I don't know if Russia can, but they should send a non-lethal threat to the EU. Maybe something like flying a fighter jet over Berlin and London and dropping a beach ball. It would humiliate the EU and they would have to either escalate over something non-lethal or acknowledge that maybe they are taking this too far.
>>537333672Hold up, so what's with all of the talk about denazification if your issue is with fake borders created by communists? I thought Ukraine was a Bandera byproduct?
This war happened for a very simple strategic calculus. The US would go to war with Mexico if Mexico was about to host Chinese nuclear missiles on the Rio Grande. Israel would go to war with Egypt if Egypt allowed Iran to build missile cities in the Sinai. China would go to war with Taiwan if Taiwan allowed the US to harbor its fleet there. The US willingly allowed the eastward expansion of its empire. Ukraine was a red line for another empire, Russia. When Russia felt that it had lost the chance to keep Ukraine neutral by diplomacy, it invaded. Every other excuse is pure bullshit. Don't like it? That's the way it is. Is it fair? The US started it with Cuba. Was it worth it? Someone post a Ukrainian population pyramid kek
>>537323230>The problem with US energy is that it will run out.You niggers have been saying this for years. Oil flows arsn't going anywhere. America benefits from high oil costs because it makes the hard to get oil viable.
>>537317659Totally normal anon, the black smoke and burning oil refineries means they're winning.
>>537333893>was it worth itWhat was Ukraine's alternative? Bend the knee and let Russia shoot them in the back of the head? It seems like resistance has resulted in Russia completely losing it's credibility as the world's 2nd strongest military and is now destined towards fracture when Putin croaks
>>537333710East Germans spoke German.Why are you delusional?
>losing a refinery to a country that did not exists in 1405
>>537333893If the US collapsed in 1990 after a generations long economic/propaganda/social/political/intelligence/proxy war complete with constant threats of nuclear annihilation by both sides... I would not be suprised in the least that the Soviets would have expanded their influence around the US including places like Canada or Mexico. That doesn't mean I wouldnt expect the US or Russia to push back against this or try to stop it but it isnt particularly suprising.
>>537318591>IRL war is like anime where you let your opponent deal enough damage on you so that you can unlock your final formAnd here I was thinking that the best way of winning a war was by achieving all your main objectives in the opening phases!? Oh boy am I stupid!
>>537334029>Russia completely losing it's credibility as the world's 2nd strongest military and is now destined towards fracture when Putin croaksRedditesque fanfiction. There's no political, economic, ideological or social movements that could realistically push Russia towards fragmentation. We are unironically more likely to see the UK or France falling into civil war than this
>>537317659there was soviets laughing as they watched their countries largest oil refinery burn
>>537333620>So the exact same result happened despite this invasion, except now it's also Russians from Russia dying? I'm not exactly seeing the win here.What the United States wanted to do was encircle Russia and create as many security threats as possible to force them into an arms-race they couldn't win. Yet, would keep them poor and unstable.Why do you think we wanted NATO in Georgia so badly? Because they're white? Get fucking real. It's the same containment/encirclement strategy we had during the Cold War. But also to isolate them from Iran. Which is also why we tried to take Central Asia(see Afghanistan). To keep China and Russia out, and to prevent anything like the Belt-and-Road Initiative from forming. Which could break our potential to blockade the South China Sea.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPZNRZNvwCUThis was all part of what was essentially the Wolfowitz Doctrine strategy of permanent US global hegemony. Brzezinski wanted what he called "American primacy" across all of Eurasia.The point is, Russia was essentially forced to protect itself. That's what this war is about.Thus the questions raised are....1) Would it be a good thing if Russia was defeated? For who?2) Can Russia be defeated? At what cost?
>These people may live in Ukraine but they need to speak Russian in school because... because they just do okay
>>537317659Hundreds of Ukrainian drones were destroyed in this battle.
>>537334029Ukraine has every right to defend its freedom, break away from Russia and ask the West to help its struggle. For their own sake, it would have been wiser to adopt neutrality in the same way Austria did. What I refute is the western propaganda of "poor Ukrainians and poor America, they dindu nuffin and Russia bad". Russia works in the same way every other great power on earth does, don't want it to invade? Don't become a bitch for its enemies. There's no moral argument
>>537334229NATO wanted Georgia so they could build a pipeline to steal all the oil and gas in the Black Sea
>>537333783>Hold up, so what's with all of the talk about denazification if your issue is with fake borders created by communists?Are your retarded? Jewish oligarchs are literally funding far-right retards in Ukraine, and in other parts of Europe, to fight the Russians. Ostensibly because being pro-white and pro-European means you have to be anti-Russia since Hitler was. Basically, Jewish oligarch need people to fight, and right-wingers and radicals are the best fighters.It's the same reason Jews funded ISIS and Al-Qaeda. Right-Sector and Azov are literally just white ISIS, and they're being used by the same people for the same person.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzXl7nX2rp8
>>537317659yeah
>>537333975>You niggers have been saying this for years.I provided a chart, nigger. Had it not been for fracking, the US would have run out of oil already. The question is, how much longer can the fracking boom last? Especially since we've steadily increased oil production since the Ukraine War began to prevent Russia from profiting from high oil prices. While at the same time draining our strategic petroleum reserve.
>>537334229>March 30, 2021>https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/why-the-black-sea-could-emerge-as-the-worlds-next-great-energy-battleground/>Under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), exclusive economic zones (EEZ) extend 200 nautical miles beyond a sovereign country’s coastline. Since UNCLOS requires states to resolve conflicts equitably without giving further legal guidance, the potential for disputes is high in the Black Sea region since its deep sea is limited in surface.>Meanwhile, Georgia could be integrated into the wider Black Sea gas region through the existing South Caucasus Pipeline, which has been expanded to carry Caspian gas to Turkey and southern Europe.
London has fallen!This shouldn't be happening after 5 years of war!
>>537334054https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Germany%E2%80%93Soviet_Union_relations>>537334216>the west will fall before RussiaDude, did you not see what happened in the 90's? The inequality in the remaining regions that did not leave should offend every so-called communist like yourself. You really think Chechens will never break way?>>537334229>to protect itself, Russia attacked its neighbor and expended a major portion of its defensive arsenal to take less land in 5 years than they took in 5 months back when they invaded Ukraine in the 1940's.>>537334433So Russia is engaging in denazification at the behest of the Jews who also nazified Ukraine? Nigga what?
>>537334382You are assuming that "Ukraine" is a monolith.What's happening in Ukraine is more akin to if France tried to help Quebec gain independence after Canada banned French and the Catholic Church.
>>537318591> trust the plan, patriot
>>537335455Why are you a faggot?Nowhere in that link does it say Germans all spoke Russian.Are you 12?Or just a retard?
>>537335455>So Russia is engaging in denazification at the behest of the Jews who also nazified Ukraine? Nigga what?The Jews organized, funded, and armed Neo-Nazis because they're anti-Russia. Jews organized, funded, and armed ISIS to fight Assad.That's how Jews operate. They also fund Nazis in America, but only to create a boogeyman. That's how Jews play the game. You should learn to think like Jews so you can more easily detect their tricks. But we all know you are Jew which is why you support Ukraine.
>>537320558When you're waging a war of aggression with little public support its not about the nr of people in your country. Its about the nr of poor desperate idiots you have. And Russia is nr1 in that regard
>>537335455>The inequality in the remaining regions that did not leave should offend every so-called communist like yourself.You're just another retard peddling propaganda that was debunked before you were even born. Post-Soviet republics were largely harmed by the breakup"This paper examines the magnitude of direct transfers between the former Soviet Union central buget and individual republics. It shows that Kazakhstan and Central Asian republics were primary recipients of large net transfers of funds from the Soviet central budget amounting in some cases to about ten percent of their GNP. On the contrary, Russia was the single largest net donor of funds to the Soviet central budget through more transfers paid to the union budget than received from it, both in rouble terms and as a share of the GNP.With the dissolution of the central budget in November 1991, these transfers were discontinued. This has caused a dent in fiscal budgets and a large negative income shock in recipient republics. To some extent, external saving is suggested as the way to ease up the burden of the loss of income induced by the collapse of the fiscal system and the system of direct transfers within the former Soviet Union."Orlowski, L.T. Direct transfers between the former Soviet Union central budget and the republics: Past evidence and current implications.Econ Plann28, 59–73 (1995).>You really think Chechens will never break way?Chechen separatism was crushed years ago, even western sources admit this
>>537335702Wait wait, did you really think I said that? No wonder you are so upset, you're just making things up and getting mad at your own thoughtsEast Germans were taught Russian as a mandatory second language. Angela Merkel learned Russian in Erweiterte Oberschulen, for example. That mandatory requirement that all East German children be forcefully educated on how to speak Russian was removed. Are you still upset now?>>537335757So it sounds like Ukraine is the victim and Russia is the useful idiot slaughtering ethnically-similar people to the benefit of der Juden. Not a good look for Putin.
>>537336028>this nigga's only citation is from 1995Well yeah, if you want to use 1995 numbers, EVERYTHING was fucked in that part of the world at the time, including the new Russian Federation. If the former SSRs really miss Russia so much, why is Belarus the only one that is keen on letting Putin stick his hand up its leader's ass and puppeteer the country?>he thinks Chechens will not break away during hard times, just like they tried to in the 90's.
>>537336039>So it sounds like Ukraine is the victim and Russia is the useful idiot slaughtering ethnically-similar people to the benefit of der Juden.A useful-idiot is someone who believes he is fighting for something he isn't. For example, Ukraine believes they are fighting for sovereignty. They are actually fighting to join the EU(money). Many Ukrainians think they are fighting for the white race. No. They're fighting for US hegemony. Which means they're fighting for mass-migration and white-genocide.Russia at least understands what it's fighting for. Ukrainians are total and absolute retards.
>>537336219These numbers explain a sentiment that has been consistent for decades. By all metrics available, the collapse of the USSR was enormously harmful to the vast majority of the Soviet population
>>537336333>a nation that is a member of the EU is not sovereignYou wouldn't say the same of Belgium, would you?Russia clearly doesn't understand what it's fighting for, as you just confirmed they are being beguiled by Jews into murdering their own brothers.
>>537320621kyst. actually speaks russian
>>537336420>You wouldn't say the same of Belgium, would you?What do you think sovereignty is?
>>537336385>Survey conducted in 2013Ok so now we are going from 31 year old economic data to 13 year old economic... opinion? Like how is this quantitative in any way? Is this just a survey where old fucks who miss muh gibs are saying they think Russia would just give them free shit if they rejoined the dead USSR?
>>537336499You can't answer the question? Come on, who is Belgium sovereign to? Let me guess, da jooz?
>>537336039Now this faggot is lying about what he said.Do you have no shame?>>537333456>Germany made damn sure that East Germans stopped speaking Russian.
>>537336570Only powerful states can be sovereign. Dependencies cannot be sovereign. This is why Hitler needed "autarky".As long as Europe is dependent, it cannot be free. It cannot be sovereign.
At this point what can Russia do?
>>537334556America isnt "running out of oil" you retarded niggerfaggot. "oil reserves" just means "how much can be extracted at current prices with current tech". Canadas oil reserves are only like 10% of whats actually in the ground. Oil won't run out in 40 years but it will be significantly more expensive than it is today. Unlike the 1970s we have alternatives too so it wont be a crisis just a slow phaseout. The iran war has accelerated this trend since countries view being dependent on imported energy as a serious national security risk.
>>537336600Damn dude, really going to double down after you embarrassed yourself by coming to an insane conclusion? I just told you that East Germans were being taught how to speak Russian and that this mandatory requirement in the East German education system was axed with no subsequent invasion from Putin as a result. Again, WHY are you so upset? It's okay to be wrong, but it's not okay to find out you were wrong and refuse the information in front of you.
>>537336521Are you retarded? We have extensive data of how Post-Soviet republics saw their economic metrics and living standards plummet after the collapse (of such a scale that represents an irreversible economic loss), that non-Russian Soviet Republics were aided by Russian help (and not the other way around) during the Soviet era, and that people who lived through it all largely agree it was harmful. What the fuck do you even have on your side? Literal fanfiction taken from reddit and other echo chambers for cattle.
>>537336684>self-governing>makes laws>manages resources>conducts foreign relationsYou know what's wild? Ukraine hits every wicket, but you'll find some pilpul way to claim otherwise. You could rhetoric your way into suggesting almost ANY nation is not sovereign, I bet. Now please, inform me as to who Belgium is sovereign to.
>>537336570>>537336684>let me addPutin recently gave a speech where he said that war was to restore Russian sovereignty. Pic-related.
>>537336745KekThis is a shitskin using AIWe all saw what your jewish bot told you to say goatfucker
>>537336747>muh redditWhy isn't Armenia rejoining the Soviet Union? Muh jooz? The same jews that are trying to destroy Ukraine after they tried to not rejoin the Soviet Union?
>>537317659Probably Russians just smoking some ham....might have oily taste.
>>537336818>restore Russian sovereigntyHow can you restore what you have? Or wait, are you suggesting Russia is currently NOT sovereign or at any point recently was not? So who was Russia sovereign to?>>537336849>I can't defend myself so instead I will declare you are not a human beingI accept your concession.
>>537336815sovereignty means "without outside interference". It means you cannot be pressured. Which is why only powerful states can be sovereign. Europe has to suck American cock to survive. The "West" is really just America and its dependencies/vassals. Ukraine wanted to become another US vassal. The question is, why?
>>537336862Because you cannot turn the clock back, it doesn't mean it was a good thing you absolute retard. The evidence overwhelmingly points to them being worse off by what happened, unlike your retarded arguments with zero data behind.
>>537336953Tell us more about how Germany stopped everyone from speaking Russian after the wall fell, shitskin faggot.Its an interesting fantasy
>>537337010Ok, so if sovereignty means a nation cannot be pressured, it looks like I was correct when I said you would come up with some pilpul way to invalidate all nations from being sovereign, since this could apply to any country. The US can be pressured by its allies, as can Russia, as can Ukraine, as can Belgium, as can China, as can any other nation on the planet.>>537337017What do you mean? They can just rejoin, just like Crimea did!
>>537337066>DDR mandates Russian taught to all children>wall falls>mandate is removed>use cases for Russian removed as now East Germany is not beholden to the USSRStill upset?
>>537336953>How can you restore what you have?Russia hasn't been fully sovereign since the collapse of the Soviet Union. It was constantly bullied by the United States, and forced to accept all manner of humiliations because it was too weak to resist. America is really the only truly sovereign country. Russia wants to be like us.
>>537337261>America is sovereignOkay so Israel didn't pressure us at all in any way to do anything ever? Come the fuck on.
>>537320621Then you should cheer for the deaths of oligarchs, including good goy Putin, so that Russians can actually occupy a place of dignity and prosperity instead of being constantly anally raped and thanking the rapist for not sticking it in their mouth after.
>>537337261I don't blame russia for trying to do for itself but frankly what did they expect after that whole cold war thing? I mean honestly just a little regional bullying really isn't that big of a deal what the fuck did they expect? I mean I don't care if Russia invades some bordering country but geez there is no need to do this retarded "dindu nuffin US was bullying us routine" it makes me think less of them.
>>537337363No clue how you look at what is happening in The EU or NA and think that even in some jewish narrative that Putler and his buddies were deposed, that the same situation with Trump and Co wouldn't just happen again, ie a geriatric boomer wins a 51-49 split heckin freedom democratic election and immediately starts sucking off "other" oligarchs while the media tells everyone how free and prosperous the common man is.
>>537337363Every sane citizen of every country should hate their own government and their own elites. They should hate them so much that they don't have time to hate other countries' governments and elites that much.
>>537337141>The US can be pressured by its alliesThat's only been a recent development. During the period of "unipolarity", America pretty much did whatever it wanted and no one could stop us.Just think of sanctions. We can sanction you, you cannot sanction us, and even if you try, we will destroy you. We control the world's most powerful Navy. We control the world's resources. We could have destroyed Europe any time we wanted. Europe is a US dependency. It needs US financial markets, US buying power, US protection, and US resources. We were the ones who bailed-out Europe during the financial crisis(see Deutsche Bank). The only power our vassals have is in cozying up to our enemies and leveraging that competition to their advantage.Which is precisely what Germany tried to do vis-a-vis Russia and the Nordstream pipeline. Which is why we destroyed it. We could likewise destroy Ukraine any time we want. And they know this, which is why Ukraine's entire political system is essentially run by the CIA. They give us whatever we want, and throw themselves into perpetual debt, because they have no choice.
>>537337205Its amazing how none of you faggot shills will never admit you were wrong.You deny what everyone saw you postNow you are lying about Russian being manditory in East Germany.At what point do you stop lying?AI:>Russian was not mandatory in East Germany, but it was taught as a foreign language in schools and was widely used due to the influence of the Soviet Union. Many East Germans learned Russian, but it was not required for all citizens.
>>537317659Zionist-Chabad-Jewtin total humiliation
>>537319346trump literally has tens of millions of niggers available
>>537337430When did I say Russia "dindunuffin". I said was Russia was forced into a corner.A perfect example is Pearl Harbor. Why did Japan attack us?
>>537337684>America did whatever it wantedYou don't really believe this shit, do you? Henry Kissinger is just one of many who embody the lack of sovereignty that America had even during its peak.>>537337762Nigger, you are quadrupling down on being butthurt rather than trying to learn about something you didn't know until now. You should read up on the Soviet influence in the DDR and then come back later.
>>537337430Another example, why did Hitler declare war on us in 1941? Did either of them even want war with us? So why did they?
>>537337997>Henry Kissinger is just one of many who embody the lack of sovereignty that America had even during its peak.America wasn't at its peak in the Vietnam War, retard.
>>537318591ziggers have been saying that for 3 years
>>537337997I was there 6 months after the wall fell, tranny faggot shill. You might think its cool to brag to your faggot group on discord about how you lie on the internet but its really pathetic.One day you will look in the mirror and realize your whole life has been a lie and you will never be a woman
>>537338131>America was not at its peak in the 1960'sWe put a man on the fucking moon at the end of this decade, but that isn't peak? Please, tell me when was our peak?
>>537338297>I was there!It was real in my mind!
>>537321656There were multiple drones. Redirecting that one into a random apartment building was pointless, others still hit the refinery.
>>537338600In the 90's, retard. After the Soviet Union collapsed and we were the only remaining superpower or even great power left on the planet. This is often called "unipolarity" as opposed to "bipolarity" during the Cold War when the Soviets were powerful enough to check us.Our power has steadily declined since around the time Putin came to power. Although mostly it has to do with the rise of China. If there was no China, we could crush Russia and essentially rule forever.Instead, Xi Jinping tells Trump to his face that America is a declining shithole and Trump stands there like a retard then loses the Iran War.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exwtmAi7G04
>>537338600Ok, so you think the US was not pressured in any way in the 90's, how cute. It is funny how you are trying to not come across like you're sucking America's dick too hard here, but you know you're wrong and just too angry at me to let me make any point that dares go against you.
>>537338749Oops, did you accidentally link this?https://discord.com/channels/@me/946577873689509908/1517200610129346732
>>537317659As long as this area is safe it's fine.
>>537338788>Ok, so you think the US was not pressured in any way in the 90's, how cute.I'm not saying America was all-powerful and could do literally anything it wanted. But it certainly wasn't "pressured" by anyone to do something it didn't want to do. At most it couldn't always do what it wanted to do.There's a big difference there.>>537338838Does it work? I was trying to link to a video and clicked "copy message link". For me, it opens, but I would assume for others it doesn't? Since you aren't actually invited?
>>537339117You lost the pilpul game, dude. Israel has 100% ensured America can never be called a sovereign entity based upon your definition, and that means sovereignty does not exist as you wish to define it.So back to what I originally said, Ukraine wants to be sovereign in that it wishes to represent itself and make its own laws. Russia wishes to see this change to more of an arrangement like what it has with Belarus. Ukraine gains nothing from bending the knee, just as Belarus gained nothing.
>>537317659Aww shieeet nigga, another one of dem organic and grassroots threads.
>>537339447russia lost
>>537339238>Ukraine wants to be sovereignNo, what Ukraine has always wanted was money. That's its only driving motivation. Everything else is just a dialectic to convince retards to fight a war.Btw, that's not unique to Ukraine. That's pretty much everywhere. Do you actually think the Jewish oligarchs in Ukraine care about such nonsensical abstractions? Do you think Kolomoisky or fucking Zelensky give a fuck about preserving the fucking Ukrainian language or what the fuck ever. You're trying to ascribe positive motives that don't actually exist. Maybe among a few romantics, but for 99% it is really pure self-interest.>Ukraine gains nothing from bending the knee, just as Belarus gained nothing.Well, that's a complicated topic, but suffice to say, Europe has been the beneficiary of America's global predominance, both militarily and economically. It was the buying-power of the US dollar, combined with American resources and the American military that subsidized Europe. The reason Europe is in decline, is because America can no longer afford to prop Europe up.Eventually, Russia will be richer than Europe because Russia has resources, and America is going bankrupt. This is why America has been so reckless in recent years. We're desperate.
>>537317659trust zi strstegy. putin predicted this. it's is all part of the master plan. banan will be eaten no matter the cost.
>>537339731>a nation wants to do what is in its best economic interest because a thriving economy is good for its peopleNo shit, Sherlock. And Ukraine being independent and a member of NATO and the EU is better than not.By the way, Africa has a lot of resources as well. What's holding them back from surpassing Russia?
>>537318105Is this why ram is expensive?
>>537339447Not like Nafo trannis can ever be functional, they'll just impotently spam online til it's time to dial8 again.
>>537339731ExactlyEvery local store in the USA is owned by shitskins, there is nothing left for the government to sell us out over. So globohomo is using NATO to find more countries where politicians to sell out thier own people. Poland just got gay marraige. Soon the shitskins will flood in and buy up every gas station. The west is done for.
>>537320262>big smoke for a cool photo op >fixed in a few hoursmy sources tell me they actually increased the refining output to 6 million barrels a day after repair just out of spite
>>537339861>Ukraine being independent and a member of NATO and the EU is better than not.It's not "independent". Just "independent of Russia". Ukraine can never be independent. Nor does want to be. It actually wants to be ruled by Washington/Brussells for gibs. And while it cries about Russian, it will speak English and adopt our culture and values, just like Eurocucks.>AfricaAfrica doesn't have as many as you think, but even to the extent they have them, they are not centralized, and their governments are constantly in a state of civil war.
>>537339861>By the way, Africa has a lot of resources as well. What's holding them backUkraine>https://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/sierraleone/context.html>A Ukrainian parliamentary inquiry concluded that between 1992 and 1998, Ukraine lost $32 billion in military assets, in part through theft, discount arms sales and lack of oversight. (In comparison, Ukraine's spending on legal arms for defense in 1999 is estimated to have been $500 million.) Many of the missing weapons found their way into the hands of willing buyers in hot spots around the globe, from Sierra Leone to Croatia. And as these arms proliferated, so did evidence of international criminal networks that sold arms from Ukraine in flagrant violation of international sanctions and embargoes.>Theft and corruption in the military facilitated the flow of illegal weapons from Ukraine. It was also facilitated by forged or falsified end-user certificates, the export documents that are supposed to record the final recipient of an arms shipment. The ease with which arms shipments moved through official channels has led many observers to conclude that prominent Ukrainian officials were involved in the deals. In a 1999 report on Eastern European arms dealing, Human Rights Watch concluded that export-control authorities in the region were accepting arms brokers' documentation without question, either through "complicity or incompetence." Other observers say responsibility goes straight to the top of the Ukrainian government. Writing in The Christian Science Monitor, Ukrainian political scientist Taras Kuzio said, "High-level Ukrainian officials, if not directly dealing arms, are reportedly either smoothing the path for sales or at least looking the other way."
>>537339844> I trade you Konstantinovka for a Sadovod roof fire, deal?Trust the plan, the best yeshiva minds are in charge.
>>537340131And here we are back to the argument that you just BTFO'd trying to make. It's really as if you learned nothing from taking the "scenic route" in this discussion.>>537340263What does this have to do with Africa?
>>537340537>And here we are back to the argument that you just BTFO'd trying to make. It's really as if you learned nothing from taking the "scenic route" in this discussion.EU != sovereignty, retard. It's the opposite of sovereignty. The question is, why does anyone want to join it?
>>537340537Another question is, how did the EU get rich? Will it stay rich? Why or why not?
>>537340537>What does Sierra Leon have to do with AfricaThe current state of nafo troon shills
>>537337994Japan attacked the US because >1. They had embarked upon a industrial war of modern conquest in the pacific sphere which literally ran on US oil despite knowing that said war of conquest would surely chafe the only other major competitor in the Pacific (aka the US). Predictably of course the US stopped selling them oil and proceeded to play economic hardball. >2. The US policy of economic hardball was also *in-part* shaped by a well-known sentiment amongst war hawks in the US with the intention of creating a conflict with Japan and thereby providing entry into the world war- bait that the Japanese Government took and provided them a perfect opportunity to enter the war on a silver platter>3. The Japanese determined correctly that the global aberration we call world war II was a moment where various regional and global power structures were going to be determined and laid down for decades to come. They anticipated correctly that the outcome of the various global conflicts would determine the "status quo" during the modern technological era then emerging. They determined that because of this it was worth taking a great gamble of initiating war on the US with the hope that they could expel the US as a competitor in the Pacific and thereby secure hegemony over the Pacific sphere for the foreseeable future. When I look at the circumstances I don't blame Japan for wanting to rule the Pacific. I do however blame them for being so retarded to do so while stuck on the American Oil Teat and actually thinking they were entitled to take over the Pacific without rubbing their Oil-Overlords the wrong way.
>>537317659It's the 4th year. Why does everyone think it was 2021?
>>537339925no you dumb nigger, that's clearly a classic paint/photoshop copy/paste job. no AI used at all. are you so completely mindbroken that you can't even conceptualize OC made without AI?
