I'm a huge fan of Zohran Mamdani, John Kenneth Galbraith, and Noam Chomsky. My left wing world views stem from my readings of history, politics, and philosophy. We simply desire to create a world where our individual rights are respected and we're able to all live good lives. We believe in wealth redistribution via tax cuts to the working class.And before you call us crazy nutjob radicals, even Bezos is endorsing some of our ideas. He's calling for a Federal Tax Exemption for the bottom 50%.
It’s a negotiating table.
>>537357765Trump is a very complicated figure ngl.
>>537357643>Noam ChomskyYou mean the jewish guy who defended pedo trafficker epstein?
Noam Chomsky and General Wesley Clark raised awareness about the Iraq War, but they falsely put the blame on "oil companies" to cover the tracks of Israel. They knew exactly what they were doing.
>>537357643Individual rights don't exist. The smallest human unit is a family, or at least a mother and her child. Societies that don't put the rights of the family first won't work very well.
>>537358123Yes.>>537358244Families can form under an individualist system
>>537358527Explain to me how you can lower taxes in a system where it is centralised and growing in both public and private sectors?
>>537357643>individual rights are respectedGood luck with that under communism faggot, collectivism means ZERO individual rights. You exist for the collective, the collective (NOT YOU) have all the rights. What a fucking brainlet. If you want individual rights, that is libertarianism or being a liberal (classic sense). Which is directly counter to communism. As for money, good luck getting your money back from Jews retard. If you fall for the Commie scam, you will get no refunds on your poverty. All proceeds go to Jews and you will not in your lifetime ever see it back.
>>537358726You can have individual rights and collective rights. It's just circles of responsibility.
Take off the meme flag, faggot.
>>537358726>collectivism means ZERO individual rightsSo what's the military then?
>>537358699You massively cut taxes on the poor, raise them on the rich, and cut government spending, fire Federal workers.
>>537358527>i am a huge fan of an epstein defender and pedo island enjoyerSo you're some GOP well poisoning LARPer. Got it.
>>537357643WHAT A USELESS POST.FUCK YOU FAGGOT.BURN IN HELL.wimp weak coward meme flag faggot right vs left meme u a hellbound lemming burn in hell pedo lover
>>537357643outside of wealth redistribution all of those are things supported by liberalism, and technically since they turned liberalism into pseudo socialism we also have wealth distribution through the central bank
>>537358920Ok so if the economy declines, the poor will become poorer and the rich will become richer because they is no welfare state to help the poor. The economy will more than likely decline because of taxes on the rich. They'll still be considered rich.
>>537358920>be moderately well off business owner in uk (by no means rich, but i guess im rich by tankie standards)>already paying fucking 40-50% tax> same people that want to raise my tax even more are telling me we need more refugees and to let the boats in> same people that want to raise taxes are usually broke and scream and shout at sjw and pallie protests> same people that want to raise my taxes gloat and smirk at how they will take my money>YFW I just simply leave the uk and go live somewhere else (digital business)
>>537358726You're a historically illiterate uneducated hick who doesn't understand BASIC history or philosophy. Literally white trash.>>537359012>He went to Epsteins island once therefore he's a pedo rapist1/10 bait.>>537359091>He's too stupid to categorize left-vs-right.Literally just admitting you're uneducated white trash too dumb to bifurcate ideas into different categories.>>537359146Literally none of this is true. Taxing the rich and balancing the budget so we don't have to borrow/print will be good for the economy. Sucking capital out of the private sector and/or printing money to finance deficits is bad for the economy.
>>537359146theres a benefit and dole epidemic here up north. Not sure how its down there with you bro but scamming the system for disability benefit is almost a badge of honor for smicks here.
>>537359269This is a complete lie, because you don't even begin paying Federal taxes in the UK until you're already very wealthy.>>YFW I just simply leave the uk and go live somewhere else (digital business)None of this matters. UK still has the same resources, people (besides you) and productive capacity as before.
>>537359104wealth redistribution is happening right now, how do you think Elon got his trillions?
>>537359505between 100-125k you are pretty much paying 60k. Tankies consider anyone over 50k as rich
>>537357643you guys blew it with the tranny and woke shitshould have stuck to the class war
>>537359505>None of this matters. UK still has the same resources, people (besides you) and productive capacity as before.You lose my tax money, and that of everyone else that leaves. I know about 5-6 business owners that have left in the past year (portugal, dubai, US, estonia) and with them left aprox 10m in tax revenue each year. higher tax brackets pay for almost everything lol, the more that leave the less money you have.
>>537359448TOO STUPID TOO SEE THE JEW UP EVERYONE ASS INCLUDING YOURS.YOUR TIME IS UP.BURN IN HELL.
>>537359704I'm very wealthy and when you convert British Pounds to my nations currency, I make 32k (in British Pounds).Obviously you have to adjust for PPP, but I can't imagine it's that much different. I'm in the bracket where I should be paying much much much more taxes. I basically rule my community.
>>537359448>Literally none of this is true. Yes it is. It's literally what happened before the great depression. You seem to be forgetting that the type of economy or system you want already existed in the past. We have evolved past it. Tell me examples where your ideas worked?
>>537359818Ah so less dollars floating around that drive up prices and skyrocket inflation... what horror.It's not dollars that make prosperity it's the actual goods and services that they can buy. Adding more dollars to an economy, all things equal, only fuels inflation.If you really want dollars, Venezuela and Zimbabwe are the places to be. They have many many dollars.
>>537360227>Yes it is. It's literally what happened before the great depression.Great Depression had nothing to do with taxing the rich too much, in fact the New Deal Programs that helped escape the depression were financed by deficit spending, of which the interest was paid by a 92% marginal tax rate.>when did your ideas workGermany under Kaiser, England after the Glorious Revolution of 1688, America in the 1950s, Scandinavia today
>>537360415>Great Depression had nothing to do with taxing the rich too muchI didn't say that? I said the opposite. I said your "idea" of economics already existed in the past and we already saw the problems, the outcomes and the solutions. >Germany under Kaiser, England after the Glorious Revolution of 1688, America in the 1950s, Scandinavia todayThey were nothing like what you're saying. Scandinavia for example has high taxation and a huge welfare state with a very regulated market.
>>537360668Your "view" of history is nowhere close to reality.
>>537360874You talk about "balancing the budget" while trying to reduce the public sector and reducing the private sector at the same time.You're reducing the economy, not balancing.
>>537361046Running a deficit doesn't expand the economy, it just siphons capital out of the private sector to fund the government deficit. You're selling bonds on the open market, capital that would otherwise be invested in private projects end up in government coffers. Running a balanced budget or budget surplus reverses this.Taxing more than we spend... and using the surplus to repurchase treasury bonds... doesn't shrink or reduce the economy, it puts more capital into the hands of investors.
>>537361213You’re mixing together two different channels. The real effect on the economy (output, employment, investment) and the financial effect (where existing savings/financial assets end up). The key issue is whether the economy is at (or near) full employment and whether interest rates are constrained—because government deficits/surpluses change the mix of assets and incomes, but they don’t mechanically “take money away from private investment” in a way that holds in general.
>>537361362Government deficits channel real resources (labor, capital) away from reinvestment and towards immediate consumption. When the government borrows money, and uses it to pay welfare, resources that otherwise would be used for reinvestment get used to consume our goods now, or buy imports. Full employment could actually be a bad thing, if the cost of paying labor is a greater cost than the value generated from the labor, you're actually destroying value by employing people through government. If the government paid people $20/hour to dig ditches but the actual value produced per hour is only $15/hour... you're destroying the equivilent of $5/hour. Unemployment in a free unregulated market occurs when wages demanded by unemployed workers exceeds the value they could create.
>>537357643>And before you call us crazy nutjob radicals, even Bezos is endorsing some of our ideas. He's calling for a Federal Tax Exemption for the bottom 50%This is why youre retarded and no cares what you think. The bottom 50% effectively pay zero taxes already you fuckimg nonce. Youre entire ideology is economically illiterate.
>>537361599>The bottom 50% effectively pay zero taxesRagebait, nobody is this economically illiterate, even the trailer trash that you belong too isn't this stupid.
>>537361599FYI, until you receive an education, even from a shitty college, nobody will care what you say. They look at you and roll their eyes.
>>53736022132k is a bit above minimum wage here.
>>537361500I guess the death Internet theory is true.
>>537360318ok you literally have no idea what you are talking about. You're either 15 years old or a complete retard
>>537361755He's using AI for conversations.
Why are American left wingers so damn obsessed with racial and sexual minorities ? If they'd just advocate for the common working man they'd be way more popular.. but nooo! They have to tell us about how America sucks and how we should apologize for things we didn't do but people 100+ years ago did
I don't think left vs right actually exists. The concept of the "right," is supposed to involve active capitalism we haven't seen since the Taft presidency. Likewise the left is usually just run by special interest groups, lobbyists, et cetera. We see like, 40 year long periods where these concepts actually exist once or twice and only by coincidence. Like, Newsom is supposed to be left wing. His entire partisanship involves continuing monopolies so that Israel can control elections. 99% of people espousing left/right in the election are brainless, so even if there's some sort of actual interaction, it's anthropologically irrelevant.
>>537362013Here's a good example of a newfag thinking American politics are real. "Why is the left wing obsessed with demographic replacement," you answered your own question but are more confused somehow.
>>537357643
>>537362109I'm asking why American democrats are so obsessed with narratives that America sucks and narratives about how we're actually horrible. Constructive criticism is fine but that's never the point for them. It's subversive in nature, because they just tear things down. They never build things up. Underneath their apologetics for gay race communists is this unsubtle hatred of America.Why? Why is this so normalized? Why does pointing this out make them shriek that I just be a republican MAGA retard? I'm not even right wing per se, I just love my country too much to tear it down like that 24-7
Friendly reminder that communists aren't people.
>>537362323The DNC is controlled by Jews and monopolies that want to give themselves money. The concept of them interacting with other people at all is an act. And you buy into it hook line and sinker.
>>537357643>even Bezos is endorsing some of our ideas. He's calling for a Federal Tax Exemption for the bottom 50%.and i agree with that since the bottom half only contribute 3% of the taxable income anyways. so in reality the government would collect more money overall if they got rid of that tax to help make it easier for the poor to rise up out of poverty and into a higher tax bracket. but what puzzled me is when bezos said this leftoids flooded the board to complain about what a terrible idea it was. saying they were going to cut programs and shit. i get they hate billionaires, and thats understandable, but still. i tried reasoning with them that its only a 3% cut of taxes and there's a million ways to make up that shortfall that dont involve cutting programs to the poor, just cutting some of the scams for example, but they were set in their mind that because a billionaire said it then it was wrong, even though it used to be something they said. but now it seems you're the only leftist still saying it.
>>537360221I guess you're a 3rd world? No fucking way the PPP is equivalent there as in England then if "very wealthy" is only making 32K BP.
>>537357643You are well poisoning
>>537358920raising taxes on the rich does nothing, there are a million clever loopholes by design in the laws that let them dodge taxes. in the end when we hear raise taxes on the rich we just expect more impotent laws where the richest have loopholes and the upper middle class and small business owners some of us still aspire to become has to pay the tax that was marketed as a billionaire tax instead. thats part of why we're skeptical when we hear that. also even if you taxed billionaires 100% it still wouldn't pay for everything and isn't some magic silver bullet solving all problems, it wouldnt even make a dent in most problems.
>>537362437If the minimum wage went up as well, the government would also collect more in taxes because most people's incomes would be higher (1/3rd of Americans make less than $15/hour lolol. We're 3rd worlders but told how great our country is lol). 0.07 x 40 x 15 x 4 = $1680.07 x 40 x 12 x 4 = $134.40 $34 dollars more per wagie for FICA.
>>537362721The problem isn't our revenue in the US, it's how much of these rich assholes scam and plunder our government in the form of direct subsidies or indirect. These fucks are the biggest welfare niggers, receiving more aid by just asking for it while even niggers only get like $300 maximum per month for EBT.
>>537359448>You're a historically illiterate uneducated hick who doesn't understand BASIC history or philosophy.that's not fair, his criticisms were valid. there is communism as the communists sell it, by the book, and then there is communism so far in practice, which he was referring to, which has been more similar to fascism than anything else. likewise it would be fair to say capitalism as preached doesn't match up to the reality of capitalism as practiced either but at least we're not starving to death.my greatest criticism of communism is that it never works in reality the way it was advertised. my second biggest criticism is that the logistics of a national economy are incredibly complicated, no one man or even group of men is capable of correctly setting the prices without breaking everything. its like trying to manipulate the weather or set up a man made ecosystem, there are too many moving parts and we cant predict the results. a free market is like a decentralized supercomputer for naturally finding the correct price, in theory anyways but in practice bad regulations and lack of good regulations and corruption and lobbying can ruin that. but still its easier not to starve to death under capitalism even in practice.
>>537357643People have been conditioned to fear labor side economic policy due to years of indoctrination.Meanwhile supply side economic policy has led to us losing our industry to China, jobs moving overseas, and mass importation of migrants to devalue domestic labor.
>>537362721>>537363003For example, Amazon. They fuck USPS because often they transfer over parcels to them to save costs. Then Republicans whine about the USPS losing money even though that's partly a Boomer problem (Boomer postal employees receive massive pensions while young postal employees are going to be fucked).
>>537357643>my readings of history, politics, and philosophy.you haven't read anything>We simply desire to create a world where our individual rights are respectedno, you don't, you believe in equity>We believe in wealth redistribution via tax cuts to the working class.absolutely no leftist believes this
>>537362810I'm in a poor state and nobody here makes minimum wage outside of the bottom 10% poorest areas. Minimum wage laws suck. If we want to address poverty we should do it with other ideas.It's also really baffling to me why we allow so many millions of immigrants over to do cheap labor but then wonder why unskilled jobs don't pay well.
>>537363162the usps, much like all low level federal government jobs, is a jobs program for incompetent niggers. the usps is failing because they hire a bunch of stupid fuck and corrupt niggers that constantly screw everything up and steal. all pensioners should have their pension funded looted. we are not going to pay the retirement for nigger and government worker trash, sorry!
>>537361723Where I live, that amount in my currency is richer than Bezos.>>537361755You're just highly uneducated and know nothing about business, or economics. You're what people like me call "white trash", you don't matter to any discussion
>>537363066>one man or even group of men is capable of correctly setting the prices without breaking everythingI guess you read Thomas Sowell's reference about that. Even actual Communists that read Marx acknowledge the USSR wasn't perfect... But USSR 9 gorillion starving is partly true and partly a myth. Yes, it's true famines in Ukraine happened, but it wasn't necessarily the Soviets' fault. Same thing happened in Kazakhstan and Russia on the steppe. It was common as hell in Tsarist Russia. But after the war, famines didn't exist.Peak USSR was sort of broken where people had a lot of leisure and had all of their needs covered, but they were bored as fuck (most complaints about the USSR at that time were about le no TVs or cars) and even high end officials were looting factories to sell on the black market lol.
>>537362518I make $60k in CAD, and I can afford literally whatever I want whenever I want.
>>537363518You're literally the high school dropout armchair expert.
>>537363545What's your actual local currency?
>>537363003yeah true. i think a lot of it because the rich and corporations fund political campaigns and lobbyists. that shouldn't be allowed. political campaign money should be a small stipend the taxpayer covers with no money beyond that allowed to be spent (i think the value gained from that would be worth the cost) and lobbying is obsolete just ban it entirely. then politicians could actually spend their time pretending to do their jobs instead of constantly campaigning to rich fucks for the next election.they are straight up buying all our politicians and its so obnoxious. israel buying all the politicians is just one example, and shows how effective the practice is, but every major corporation and rich fuck is doing it. get rid of it.i think the left and right should be able to agree on this but somehow when one side takes a position the other side takes the opposite, every fucking time, and we never agree on anything.
>>537363599Canadian dollars, I earn $60k a year. I commute to downtown Toronto to lower rent.I don't even budget and every month I have a surplus. I would have to go out of my way spending to not save money.
>>537363384I make $11/hour. Dollar stores start at $9/hour here lol. You are a fucking liar. I remember seeing a forestry job in Mississippi one time, paying $24K a year LOL. So while the percentage of $7.25/hour wagies is low, the percentage of people making only a bit above that is large.>It's also really baffling to me why we allow so many millions of immigrants over to do cheap labor but then wonder why unskilled jobs don't pay well.Spics are doing landscaping work or construction, not Dollar General wagies. There are barely any spics here compared to the other parts of the US, and wages are STILL shit here nigger.
>>537363687Why the hell did you say 32K BP is very wealthy then???? You're not wealthy for Canadians
>>537363518>I guess you read Thomas Sowell's reference about that.no, i don't even know who that is. i realized it on my own because it's obvious. it's hard to have a serious discussion with actual communists that read marx because when i ask too many questions, even politely, they ban me from leftypol. >all their needs covered>no tv, no carsbread lines, decades long waiting lists for housing, extreme censorshipyeah i don't know about that
>>537363843I don't know anyone wealthier than me besides one classmate who got hired at Capital One, and that's because he ended up getting perfect grades in literally everything and impressed the campus recruiters so much.
>>537357643Good cut taxes.But natural rights and private property rights are the only real individual rights, anything else is varying levels of tyranny.
>>537363939>perfect grades>hired at capital onewhat a waste, he could have done something useful
>>537363953The problem is right now so much of the wealthy's wealth comes from cronyism and subsidies and all that shit. If we just implemented a free market now, it would already be an uneven playing field for them. You could think of wealth redistribution as reparations in a civil suit against the wealthy for them using state power to enrich themselves.
>>537363763Buddy I'm from piss poor Deep South shitholes like the one you're laughing at for 24k. There's a difference between 7.25 and 9 usd an hour. That's almost a 25% raise above the minimum. Obviously that sucks, as a salary, but in poor areas raising the minimum wage just makes everything worse. They literally don't have the money. They're not operating with the resources to pay that much. There isn't an infinite money glitch. The best way to support them is to redistribute wealth to them, or invest in making the area more economically viable.
>>537357643>Noam ChomskyCovidiot and Epstein buddy
>>537364000Becoming the financial and economic ultra-elite is the most useful thing one can do. You're not going to be Alexander the Great, becoming a Technocratic elite is realistically the best way to gain power, influence, and wealth.
>>537363687How long is the commute? How much of your day do you lose doing literally nothing?
>>537364058So he was cool enough to get invited to parties, unlike Elon
>>537357643No one respects free shit. I believe progressive tax structures are the most effective and fair. I’d even argue for much higher top level corporate taxes. Especially, because of the massive advantage the highest earners have over mom & pops in every industry. Make them competitive.But, the lowest earners still need to buy in and all government assistance should come with an end date.
>>537358123>pedo-santaThe fags as irrelevant as John kerry
>>537357643By the way Noam Chomsky was literally on Epstein island. Totally controlled opposition socialist. None of these guys pay taxes, they just want you to pay more taxes.
>>537364073It's about 45 minutes each way, 10 minute walk to the subway, 30 minutes on the subway, and then 5 minute walk to Bay Street.I don't mind because the walk is exercise, and then on the subway I read. I have PDF books saved to my phone that I just chug through, more often than not I want the commute to last longer because I get so involved in the books.
>>537364129>None of these guys pay taxes, tSource?
>>537364083He died a dork's death, strangled by his masters' goons. You're a dork, too, and I hope you meet the same fate.
>>537364059>gain power, influence, and wealthwhats useful about that?alexander the great? i was more thinking he could do scientific research or something
>>537357643So when are you faggots goin to stop pushing this liberal fantasy so I can have my country back? You know deporting all the foreign brown scabs and niggers so we can have back the homogenous demographics required for high rates of unionization?
>>537364223Chomsky is still alive.>>537364225He studied finance and economics, not science stuff.Besdies, that's not even useful. Research is a drain on tax money. The only research that's useful is private sector projects designed to enhance returns, because that's what customers and people actually want. 99% of science research is welfare for grad students.At capital one he's actually providing value to a wealth generating enterprise.
>>537357643Not a single belief, policy, or agenda matters when we are controlled by Jewish interests. I’m amiable to some leftist ideas but until this issue is resolved nothing will work.
>>537364028>Making things fair is bad because they weren't fair in the first place, that's why we need to make everything unfair so it can become fair.Very silly.Privatize the entire government immediately, 99% of it will go bankrupt immediately, and that's a good thing, because the money never existed in the first place it was just an IOU of taxpayers stolen and destroyed wealth, end the theft.
>>537364328Thats a very silly idea, you're proposing soverign debt defaults
>>537364000>what a waste, he could have done something usefulHe must have gotten hired via nepotism because no fucking way do "good grades" get you anything. That's the bare minimum expected
>>537364212Buddy Epstein literally said himself his job was to help the elites maintain the system where they have to pay zero taxes and everyone else has to pay infinite taxes.If you think Chomsky didn't receive that service also you're a fucking mark.
>>537364282he is helping rich people become richer so they can use their money to become even more rich. still waiting on how thats useful. but ok he studied finance and economics so he was never going to do anything useful anyways, got it.
>>537364399If you're a top student at one of the top canadian business schools like Rotman, Ivey, or Queens, companies like Capital One or RBC capital markets will hire you. They go to these schools, recruit the top 5% in terms of grades
>>537364463Science isn't useful, finance is, it's where the money is. The only exception to this is A.I because it's actually generating economic value.He's helping wealthy people take their surplus capital and channel it into productive enterprise. That's good. Being able to convert savings into investments so the wealthy can use their wealth to enhance productivity is as useful as it ets.>>537364429>Buddy Epstein literally said himself his job was to help the elites maintain the system where they have to pay zero taxes and everyone else has to pay infinite taxes.Then why are the elites the only ones paying taxes? Progressive taxes have been in place since William Taft.
>>537364397No i'm proposing the state be fully privatized.
>>537364553>Then why are the elites the only ones paying taxes?Hahahahaha, ok bro, go back to sleep, let the goy deal in the real word.
>>537364565So how will interest on the national debt be funded?
>>537364644Yeah im sure your mentally ill conspiracy theories definitely reflect reality.
>>537364553>science isn't useful, finance iseverything is science. the finance types didn't invent computers, antibiotics, advanced metallurgy, carbon fiber, jet engines, etc etc. finance is only useful in so far as its ability to fund science. rich people getting richer and buying bigger boats or sitting on stonk in coca cola for a thousand years like warren buffet isn't really very useful.>He's helping wealthy people take their surplus capital and channel it into productive enterprise. That's good. Being able to convert savings into investments so the wealthy can use their wealth to enhance productivity is as useful as it ets.ok when you say it like that i agree. when thats what happens then finance becomes useful by funding science and tech
>>537364565>Lets have all of our important functions be delegated to the people who only think in terms of the next quarterly meeting.Great idea, I'm sure it won't just amplify the issues we're already having with industry moving abroad, wages being devalued, etc.
>>537357643Why would I talk to someone who announces they are retarded and has no interest in changing?
>>537364688Just use the buzzword conspiracy theory, then your cognitive dissonance can't hurt you.
>>537357643>neolib economist John Kenneth GalbraithRemember that there's a lot of different kinds of us, and this nigger does not speak for the entire Left, no one does. Don't get it twisted, this pow-wow let's all agree to a truce shit is LARP and always will be.
>>537364565I used to be ancap. Then I got into the real world and experienced a local business be a total asshole, just because they could; in an irrational way. They fucked over the community for a couple percent more profit. Completely irrational behavior, except they needed to show a quarterly profit for their bonus so they fucked literally everyone else over so they'd get paid. Private business is fine. Good even. But it's not necessarily as moral in reality as the theory suggests
>>537364653It won't, because the central bank will go totally bankrupt so actually valuable currencies take it's place, and that's a good thing.
>>537364848>nance types didn't invent computers, antibiotics, advanced metallurgy, carbon fiber, jet engines, etc etc. finance is only useful in so far as its ability to fund science. rich people getting richer and buying bigger boats or sitting on stonk in coca cola for a thousand years like warren buffet isn't really very useful.None of those scientific inventions are useful if they sit in a lab. They're only useful if they can improve lives, and that involves mass mobilization of capital and resources to mass produce those inventions to distribute them at scale. The usefulness comes in taking things like electricity, and raising capital to mass produce electric power grids so people can enjoy it.>e. when thats what happens then finance becomes useful by funding science and techThat's only when it's left up to the market, the free market will only allocate capital to a project when there's a reasonable chance of return.When governments fund projects, it's because the private sector won't. The investors believe it's a bullshit project, not worth the risk of funding, so the government steps in and throws money at it that will likely never return. It's welfare for grad students and subsidies to Universities.>>537364919Ah yes, because businessmen totally only think about the next quarter, they're SO much dumber than a 4chan poster like you.And offshoring industry is soooooo stupid, these Executives from Ivy League are just idiots, you'd run a business way better! God I can't believe we didn't listen to you rather than 4.0 GPA MIT Econometricians.
>>537365040You didn't present any argument for me to dismantle. The idea that the wealthy don't pay taxes is a giant meme."Buy Borrow Die" is as close as it gets to truth and even that's heavily overexaggerated because it fails to consider that one must diversify their holdings to reduce risk exposure if they want to continue borrowing, and that involves selling assets and triggering capital gains.
>>537364282>Chomsky is still alive.Unfortunately, but not for much longer, thank God.>wow, you have to be super duper cool to get invited to a pedo blackmail honey trapLike I said, I hope you meet the same fate as your idol Jeff.Death to Israel!Death to ZOG!TKD!Groypers and other useful idiots get the rope.
>>537357643No one cares faggot. You will never be a woman. Seethe and dilate
>>537365066Either you're a total liar or you never even came across the NAP and were therefore not Ancap, Ancapism doesn't say everyone will behave perfectly morally, and neither does statism, that's fucking stupid.
>>537365046Galbraith was extremely left wing, he wasn't Neolib at all. >>537365099So i was right, you're proposing sovereign debt defaults
>>537357643So you believe black lives matter, the future is female, no human is illegal, and men can become women? Disgusting. You should be eradicated off the face of the earth.
>>537365160You literally said verbatim that the elites are the only ones paying taxes.That's just completely false and asinine, not even worth addressing, you're lucky i'm even still entertaining your nonsensical bullshit.Sure buddy the sky is yellow and gravity flows upwards, I too am a complete moron.
Okay, so do this without alienating people's right to privacy and due process.You won't.Even if you would, it only works in racially homogeneous societies. Game over.
>>537357643This post is extremely revealing. The soi leftist doesn’t have original thoughts. He only looks at external celebrity characters and supplants their thoughts as his own. He protests the military while oblivious to the fact that his covid vaccine was developed by the military. It’s pointless engaging with these people. Cope seethe and dilate
>>537365224Call it whatever you want midwit, central banking is slavery and in a free market it would immediately go bankrupt so that the actual productive class of society can flourish while the violent parasite class starve.
>>537365282You said the elites pay 0 taxes, nothing you say should be taken seriously ever.You're lucky this isn't reddit because you'd be banned instantly for ragebaiting/trolling.in some countries the actual elites could sue you for that, as it's objectively libel and defamation, and verifably so.
>>537365105>And offshoring industry is soooooo stupid, It IS stupid sometimes. The problem with outsourcing everything to cheaper parts of the world is that it creates winners and losers. So in aggregate the society is better off, but lots of people who live in small industrial towns get Giga fucked and nobody cares. So it becomes a meth and opioid drug den and local society just collapses. There's huge parts of the US that were better off in 1996 or 2006 than 2026.
>>537365349Uneducated trailer trash, read a book
>>537364553>into productive enterpriseLololol. Wealthy people of today are not Andrew Carnegie, nigger. The extremely wealthy of today are all wealthy due to being at LEAST upper middle class while Rockefeller and Carnegie started from miserable poverty.The wealthy of today do not build or create, they use their money to buy already existing capital to extract money from desperate plebs.
>>537365105>None of those scientific inventions are useful if they sit in a lab. They're only useful if they can improve lives, and that involves mass mobilization of capital and resources to mass produce those inventions to distribute them at scale. The usefulness comes in taking things like electricity, and raising capital to mass produce electric power grids so people can enjoy it.that's fair, i agree.but sometimes a useful invention required decades of science, some of which it wasn't clear where the profit was, and many dead ends along the way that you couldn't know where dead ends until you tried it. private doesn't want to fund that, bad for quarterly gains. so a mix of private and public is still needed, though i admit public by nature involves governments and so much money is wasted due to corruption and inefficiency.
>>537365388>Buy existing capital, That's just exchanging cash for an asset, what does the seller of that asset do with the cash?Buying assets on the secondary market has always been a thing, it's what indirectly funds the primary markets which convert savings into investments.When a wealthy person buys a stock from an already existing stockholder... nothing bad happened, it's simply an exchange between two individuals. This isn't harmful to society in anyway.
>>537364919>Lets have all of our important functions be delegated to the people who only think in terms of the next quarterly meeting. But they don't even have to provide a service to earn a profit they can just steal from you.Yeah i'll take the businessmen over government bureaucrats any day, I love how extreme statist parasites whine and whine about productive businessmen while worshipping the parasitic bureacrats who produce nothing. Just says everything.By the way all industry is moving to China because they have 0% corporate tax and much less regulations, you fucking idiotic parasite.
>>537365205This is excellent bait. I've read stuff from Hayek, Hoppe, and Mises. I know what the NAP is. But businesses have an elevated ability to externalize costs onto others in ways that ancap doesn't have answers for. What do you do if a local factory opens up and starts dumping poisonous levels of arsenic in the local soil as runoff? There's no centralized courts or government. So what do you do? Mob violence ? Or hope we all boycott it?
>>537365105>Ah yes, because businessmen totally only think about the next quarterits hyperbole but kinda true. by law they need to prioritize shareholder returns and not pursue a decades long project that might change the world but might go nowhere.
>>537365482>When a wealthy person buys a stock from an already existing stockholder... nothing bad happened, it's simply an exchange between two individuals. This isn't harmful to society in anyway.>Boomer dies who owned house>Kids from Florida don't give a fuck about it>Some kike outfit comes in with CASH, the kids take it>Now that house will be apart of the rental pool rather than a home for a young couple who would have to mortgage it
>>537359448Classist bigot.
>>537361657>>537361702Kek double you? Struck a nerve eh? No substance to your counter just weak insults? See I know youre just a retarded 20 something who lacks everything I already have: an economics degree, decades of experience as a business owner, years living abroad to actually understand how different political systems affect the economy of other countries and actual intelligence. There's more but Im an oldfag going to bed. You couldn't even recite a Keynesian argument without Google. Your opinions are founded in hubris and ignorance. Get fucked you retarded child.
>>537365555>businessmen over government bureaucrats Lol. As if there's a difference. >By the way all industry is moving to China because they have 0% corporate tax and much less regulations, you fucking idiotic parasite.Corporations offshored to China because labor was extremely cheap there back in the 90's and 2000's. Now China sort of stuck with it but invested in automation to be high tech rather than "slave labor", and while they are "poorer" in terms of le dollars, they can rent an apartment for $30/month and oranges cost 11 cents there.
>>537365563>What do you do if a local factory opens up and starts dumping poisonous levels of arsenic in the local soil as runoff?What do you do under statism when the EPA allows and encourages corporations to dump toxic waste and then bans you from suing them with state force?At least in Ancapism you can attempt to counter their aggression.Every criticism of freedom is a 10 fold criticism of statism. Reality is not and will never be perfect but can be improved.
>>537365865>>businessmen over government bureaucrats >Lol. As if there's a difference.Yep the difference is that the state doesn't have to give you a service in return for your money, they can just take it and give you nothing.China is still an industrial powerhouse due to their lower corporate tax and lower regulations, this happened after they capitalized their economy, everyone knows this.
>>537362437Bezos knows that Americans don't actually benefit from giving Jews trillions of dollars for them to spend it on anti nationalism, anti consumerism, Jewish globalism etc. so Americans could just nationalize assets. Corporations want a tax as a halfway measure.
>>537366372To be fair, he probably suggested that because that would mean:>Consumers have more disposable income -> prices go up and wages go down to suck it upThat's why UBI would never ever work because prices and wages will match to it. You need to build and give people free housing and products for it to be actual UBI. UBI experimental programs are HORRIBLE because it's such a tiny subset of the population, so it's not actually representative of what a national or state-wide general UBI program would be
>>537366016Your ideology is ideological sound but doesn't apply to real life. You're the functionally opposite of a utopian communist. Ideology is nice, sometimes, but you need to live in the real world. You didn't even answer my question. I figured you'd say something about a decentralized court issuing a judgement and the subscribers to that court not doing business with the company until it's paid off. That's the textbook answer I expected under the NAP
>>537357643Noam Chomsky was a pedophile who told people to vote for Hillary. No "leftie" would ever cite Noam Chomsky as anything other than as an expert on how to rape children.
>>537357643>Canadian flagDon't you feel something about what's happening to your country?Canada has much less of a history than the UK so maybe I'm not fussed, but seeing what it's become is really just ...As someone who enjoys a world with so many different sights and cultures, it's so depressing that we're looking at a future where diversity no longer exists and every culture is the same sea of brown.If there was a left-wing party with left-wing policies that dealt with immigration seriously, I would vote for it without hesitation.
>>537365105>They're only useful if they can improve lives, and that involves mass mobilization of capital and resources to mass produce those inventions to distribute them at scale.Capital is only required to do this due to capitalism. Without financial pressure, people are free to simply do useful things of their own volition
