Now that the dust has settled,was this true?
>>537373697kek all this to get your job stolen by high school graduate indian
>>537373697I'm still here asshole. Ask me anything Husserl related.
>>537373697I'm in a similar position but I don't care because I'm never gonna pay back my student loans. I enjoyed my time in university. No regrets. If they ever come for me I'll just move abroad (dual citizenship is awesome everyone should have a back up country)
>>537373873Who the fuck is Husserl?
>>537373697would you hire a guy with a phd in philosophy?it seems like it would be just asking for problems
>>537373873Did you get a job?
>>537373988>but, what is the real meaning of "clean the fryer"?
>>537373873first things firstwas Husserl jewish?Schutz?
>>537373873Who even is Husserl and why would you dedicate your entire life to him?
>>537374056How do we know the fryer is even real?
>>537374113Yes he was jewish. But he was a good one.
>>537373697>"man these philosophical minds are so deep! I just need to dive in to the abyss so I can figure out what is good in life">"ok I am retarded and lacked common sense for years because I had it knocked out of me and I regret everything. Hegel was right."
>>537374149Dude just needs to make a joke magazine called "Husserl" and relate it to modern living and life styles and make podcasts about why a love of wisdom often comes from a lack of it.
>>537373987Husserl was a late 1800s German philosopher who introduced his grand idea that he called phenomenology, but which really more like "bias-ology" as it's all about looking at the nature of the human bias that prevents us from experiencing reality as it actually isIn other words, it's an examination of how humans experience reality as phenomena, or phantoms of experienceAre they really there? Or to what extent are we just making things up and seeing what we want to be there? In other words, Husserl was thinking of what we experience in life as being not necessarily reality, but phenomena of what we are biased to experience in the first place -- hence, phenomenology, or bias-ology as I'd put itRespond to this post if you've read it and understood what I've bent over backwards trying to make fiber-optically clear
>>537374149>>537373873I've explained Husserl (EDMUND Husserl, actually) pretty simply and clearly (I think) right here:>>537374572
>>537374572Oh, he was a fart sniffing retard like all philosophers, got it.
>>537373987And then, also, in addition to "phenomenology", which analyzes bias, basically, there is also a related perspective called "phenomenalism", which looks at how and more exactly we actually experience what we experience, in terms of our mechanisms of sensory perception and analysisTo make this hopefully even more clear, "phenomenalism" presumes sincerity and a lack of corruption from the start, whereas "phenomenology" doesn't -- it includes, to put it politely, the likelihood of bias and bad faith from the startAnd if you look at these two terms, you will notice that they are just ending one with "ology" and the other with "ism" not because it creates two terms with overtly distinct meanings, but because it just makes them look different and hence be different ideasWhatever, as far as I'm concerned
>>537373697One time when I was 25 I met an anthropologist. I met him in Lynnwood Municipal Jail, the very fucking worst place you could ever hope to spend 2 weeks. Guy was a heroin addict and somehow sadder than I, also a heroin addict, could be. He was some kind of asian, and said he was installing DUI-devices on cars for a living before he got busted for some kind of heroin-related offense. So I believe this 100%. (this was 15 years ago and I have my shit together as a high school dropout turned machinist. tradies win again. picrel)
>>537374904Actually, I personally think there really ought to be a whole academic field called Bias-ology that specifically studies the phenomenon of bias and the corruption of honesty that trumps everything else
>>537374572>>537375026based husserl understander
>>537373697>disproves Karl Marxes theory on the value of labor
>>537373873How did you get 450K in debt?
>>537375026Isnt phenominalism a metaphysical stance on how the physical and non physical interact?
>>537374904We call them post-positivists, nowadays.t. phdstudent-anon
>>537375225it trooned out
>>537375101See>>537375101We just run statistical analysis. Easy peasy.
>>537375366Ah.>>537375332
>>537375243I would say not really -- not exactly. I think you've drifted away from the bottom line of us experiencing things with that thinking, into the purely physics-based level that is independent of human experienceI mean, yes, it will play a central role in what we employ in order to experience things, but it doesn't center around the experiencing of things per se
>>537373697I haven't read any of the crap he's had published and why would I? That shit (philosophy) is for the birds. Unless it's historical accounts and even then I'm just reading it for a general idea of what had happened in that period of time to generally come up my own conclusion. I will use it to further my ambitions as well.
>>537373873>be you>dig yourself into half a million dollars debt>to be a walking encyclopedia of a literally who dead German faggot>no one has ever heard of this person >no one has any interest in this person >you have wasted your lifeif I were you I’d kill myself
>>537375332Yeah, "positivists", "empiricists", "phenomenalists", even perhaps "actualists"In other words, the idea that we are only concerned with the extent to which things are actually actual, and not how or why they come to be, which is more like mechanistics or derivationism or something like that
>>537375366>>537375375
>>537373987>Who the fuck is Husserl?this
>>537375392we don't know at all how things are if we accept the concept of phenomenaphysics is also a human made 'bias'even reason iseven the purest reasonthis husserl character sounds like he founded a line of thinking on misunderstanding kant>>537374572if you can't know the noumena (which you can't) you can't know where the bias is in phenomena
>>537374572When I beat my kids my hands hurt so that pain sensation is real. Prove it's not.
>>537375514My brain is pretty fried. >>537375510You're reading too much into it. Probably a faggot.
>>537375485No, philosophy per se is not for the birds, but the problem is that much of what we have today is deliberate obscurantism -- aka deliberately making things confusing -- when they don't necessarily have to be, at allAnd why is all this obscurantism so rampant nowadays? For job security and to keep paychecks coming, basicallyIt all goes toward making things seem perhaps more necessary than they actually are -- this idea that "Oh, you're just too mentally insufficient to ever understand what we do, so just leave it all to us and keep the steady paychecks coming."As the old saying goes, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance then baffle them with bullshit" -- all to keep the field alive and the paychecks always coming
>>537374572who the fuck cares and why do you think you should be employed for huffing a long-dead fart sniffers farts in turn?>Are they really there? Or to what extent are we just making things up and seeing what we want to be there?yeah you deserve your fate, I did my PhD in an actual science
>>537375628Saved.> My brain is pretty fried. That's ok, I'm a lazy retard.
>>5373756281) Well, I do have a dick right up my butt as we speak and one in my mouth, and then I have one in each hand and have to periodically stop stroking them off to type on my keyboard hereSo, yes, absolutely a faggot2) The entire point is that it's all just about the examiner versus the examined, and the extent to which we want to know how "honest" both ends are in terms of what they contribute to the overall processAKA total faggotry
>>537373697Yeah it's true and more common than you think. PhDs outside of stem are essentially useless, with few exceptions that are decreasing every year as AI is prepping to rape them brutally. I have friends who keep "working towards" theirs in education or history. They have one to three masters which are equally as useless. Most people who get these are smug pricks anyhow so I don't feel sorry for them. I'll bet textrel is a smarmy cunt who likes to hear himself talk.
>>537374572so you paid 450k for what this man summarize in 45 min ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0sLHfcsPAA&t=124shahaha, worst deal of the century
>>537374572I read it, I think I understand it, it's basically the tendency everything has toward NPC-ism.
>>537373873Hey there- I hope you get this message because I just wanted to say that I think what you did with your life is really amazing even if you are working 80 hours a week at Wendy’s for minimum wage. This capitalist society doesn’t value art or treatises on obscure philosophers. And I’m a capitalist, but also smart enough to realize that some things are bigger than money, such as writing your book. I have also devoted my entire to something that is difficult to monetize and while I’ve been more financially successful than you’ve been, many people would not consider me particularly well off. But that doesn’t matter. I have a set of unique skills are rare knowledge only a handful of people on earth possess. I hope to eventually have time to finish my book and preserve it so it doesn’t die with me. It sucks that you probably won’t ever really be financially rewarded for what you have to offer the world and that money is the only way most people keep score in life. But that said, we need more people in today’s society who are willing to go all in on something with little obvious monetary value.
>>537375700Intellectual want to be the next james joyce with their cheeky symbolic refrences or dfw with how many footnotes you need to add to understand all the name dropping and buzzwords.Its almost like a compulsion to be so pedantic when your intellectualism just goes off and you spit out a tl;dr post that you will reread yourself 10 times just to stroke your ego.
>>537375714Well, the thing is, you see, all this study-of-phenomena stuff is really at the core of science itself because these are issues of the philosophy of science, which is way too often taken for grantedThis is how and why so much of the world fell prey to the fake-science mafia of Tony Fauci and Bill Gates and all this winged monkey minions -- because of not understanding what science actually IS, instead of what is merely the cheap and hollow facade of it
>>537373697>The preeminent Husserl scholar.JFC KEK!
>>537376072no, he asked AI and got the answer in 20 secondsit's a pilpul machine
>>537376111>Well, the thing is, you see, all this study-of-phenomena stuff is really at the core of science itself because these are issues of the philosophy of science, which is way too often taken for grantedYeah, my university covers it in a single mandatory undergraduate class because that is all it actually takes. You are either cognitively capable of recognising you are biased and able to take steps to minimise it, or you aren't.
>>537375931>PhDs outside of stem are essentially uselessI still say that we must always maintain "watchmen on the wall", so to speak, to make sure we have our techno-scientific heads screwed on straight in the first placeOtherwise science always quickly degenerates into homeopathy and Tony Fauci-ism
>>537374572>faux enlightenment nonsense babble
>>537373697why not? it's not exactly impossible for phd earner to end up like that, particularly in philosophy
>>537376230>Otherwise
>>537376072No, I didn't pay anything -- I'm the one who summarized what some other guy claims he took out $450K in student loan debt to specialize inNoooo, definitely not me -- I despise the entire vampiric college industry with a passion
>>537374572>Are they really there? Or to what extent are we just making things up and seeing what we want to be there?>In other words, Husserl was thinking of what we experience in life as being not necessarily reality, but phenomena of what we are biased to experience in the first place -- hence, phenomenology, or bias-ology as I'd put ithey he basically predicted what neurology found out about the way the brain works
>>537373697His problem is phenomenology.The purpose of life is to not know the purpose of life, for if you did, there would be no purpose to life.
>>537376072Also, the Germans are always pulling off intellectual scams, just like the JewsOnce you understand that both Germans and Jews are basically of the same puffed-up tier, you realize both that and why they're constantly pulling and successfully pulling off all this shitKurt Godel and Ludwig Wittgenstein were typical German bullshit artists, but Gottlob Frege less so -- but Frege gave his mathematical logicism the all-encompassing term "logicism", when that's way too broad for what he actually contributed, which is strictly the mathematical branch of logicism and not all of what should be called "logicism", entire
>>537376093I don't quite understand what YOU mean, now
>>537373873obviously not real but did you try non-US universities?
>>537376102Well, yeah, the world is full of the self-sucking of dicks
>>537376203Well then, if your university actually requires that this be covered from the start then consider yourself extremely lucky, because I went to an Ivy-tier school and they absolutely didn't and I definitely suffered for itAnd in hindsight I also believe that some people are just born with the kind of neurogenetics that just doesn't tend toward any interest in truth and justice but, rather, precisely the opposite -- they crave only what escalates stimulation and excitement, and nothing does that better than corruption and wanton destabilizationAnd those are definitely not truly science-minded people -- and they're not even very good technologists, because the proper precursor to synthesizing technology is to first analyze through scienceAnd if you can't do that science stuff properly because you're a twisted endorphin junkie, then all you'll ever be able to produce is horror, trauma, and chaos
>>537376535>Husserl was thinking of what we experience in life as being not necessarily reality, but phenomena of what we are biased to experience in the first place -- hence, phenomenology, or bias-ology as I'd put itIs it not pretty much the default that most people live their mundane lives in the realm of the "not necessarily reality" or "bias", and it takes years, if not decades of uphill climbing to achieve otherwise? That default state in some kind of evolutionary Pareto optimum, safely in the herd, is NPC-ism in a nutshell. Obviously there is a bias toward that thinking. I don't quite understand how YOU don't understand my meaning.
>>537376269Just because you either don't understand it immediately or maybe I haven't put it clearly enough, that doesn't make it "faux" or "babble"You might try saving the thread and then taking a nap and then come back and read these comments after your brain's detoxified via sleepIt is, after all, anywhere from midnight to 3 AM wherever you are in America -- unless you're in either Alaska or Hawai'i
>>537376327Yeah, somewhatBut I also think you should check out the other term that's very similar: phenomenalismThat, to me, is the much more directly productive approach because it implicitly presumes sincerity of intent from the startI personally think Husserl beats around the bush in terms of just saying outright that he's talking about a study of investigational bias, in favor of calling what he's talking about "phenomenology"
>>537374572Literally Kant for normies
>>537376892>ParetoI'm going to have to study this on my own. I've heard this term but don't know what it is yetBut I do understand everything else you talked about, which is that most people tend toward not only making things up themselves rather than develop their ability to notice actual, unvarnished reality, but also toward ecstatically rushing towards any bandwagon of made-up bullshit already being championed by some cultish collective
>>537377123Yeah, I guessKant did regard our world and everything in it as projections of some higher and transcendent realm he called the "noumenon", or the things-in-themselvesAll these ideas from the 1800s and earlier, all bear the heavy influence of religion-mindedness and have to be taken with a very large grain of salt, though not entirely dismissed, because they do have lots of actual and positive value
>>537377202The way I'm informally using it is to describe a situation where you cannot go in any direction without causing problems in some other thing. Or: all low hanging fruit is gone, all easy paths exhausted, now everything is zero sum. The implication is either you have "won" or you must change the game/reevaluate what are really problems or what are opportunities.I would myself take a bleaker view than Husserl, in that I believe many people aren't really conscious but are more of a "hypervisor" running purpose-evolved neural nets they have no insight into. Basically, for example, they see food, they press EVALUATE, answer spits out YES or NO, with minimal insight. I believe this is why some people eat McDs every day, etc.
>>537377626Sounds like a dreary existence of what the early computer science types called "garbage in, garbage out", but which I would somewhat more generously call "whatever in, whatever out"
>>537378004Yes, one might even characterize it as an unfortunate "bias that prevents [them] from experiencing reality as it actually is".
>>537377626I was also just reading that Pareto has to do with an 80/20 rule, whereby 80% of all meaningful content is accomplished by just 20% of actorsor something like that
>>537373873fucking legend.
>>537378126>The way I'm informally using it is to describe a situation where you cannot go in any direction without causing problems in some other thing. Or: all low hanging fruit is gone, all easy paths exhausted, now everything is zero sum. The implication is either you have "won" or you must change the game/reevaluate what are really problems or what are opportunities.As I've been more deeply studying the metaphysics of capitalism, I've come to see it as a method of severely truncating the full essence of things away from quality and into crass quantityAnd so it also looks to me like this is general sort of dynamic you're describing as well, a reducing of a herd of cattle down to merely a count of their heads alone -- aka the "capit" of "capitalism"
>>537378261Have you ever looked up the game "Universal Paperclips"? It's a thought experiment/critique/criticism where the game is "won" when all atoms in the universe are turned into paperclips. Hey, the game is the more the better, right?
>>537373873>>537374572God, I love this level of weaponized autism.I'm sorry you're a half mil in the hole, but I'm happy you exist, anon.
>>537378261Thank you for the lesson anon. I recently had an experience during meditation that lingers: I always found sunyata (no independent existence) to be profoundly depressing. Empty universe and all that. But the flipside of that, it turns out, is that everything and everyone, everywhere, simultaneusly and always is connected.How could I explain this realization to my autistic friends in academic language?
>>537376520> Kurt Godel ... typical German bullshit artist[s]you're full of shitkill yourself
>>537373873Okay, who the fuck is Husserl?
>>537374572Robert Anton Wilson did a much bettee job explaining this with his BS and Reality Tunnels.
>>537373697>>537373873Who the fuck would make up something so specific?
Ive never heard of Husserl or any of this shit. If you ever get published though, it sounds interesting enough to buy the book.
>>537373873as an actual PHD, how can you not get a job as a professor at a random community college in bumfuck nowhere teaching philosophy 101 or some other intro philosophy class?
So, in shirt, dumb af, entitled.Become obsessed with some fool, write a 1500 page bio, like a celebrety fanatic! Or a disney adult freak. Obsessed to a point he'd probably stall that persona if they were alive, call yourself an expert as if it's something to boast about.Roused to go 450K into debt, HOW? Doesn't matter, can't be real, no way! There surly is no such idiot out there.That's like become a doctor money.Do NOT give this person a job where he teaches or takes care of others, ever. Just hope he gets a living wage at some fake ass job that has zero affect on others.Scary.
>>537374572Lmao that's a garbage summary of Husserl and you deserve to be a low wage service worker with half a million in debt>Husserl was a late 1800s German philosopherHis work on phenomenology was from 1900-1930s, hardly describable as "late 1800s">it's all about looking at the nature of the human bias that prevents us from experiencing reality as it actually isWtf? His theory is literally all about the *opposite* of what you just said, namely about how we can achieve objective knowledge from subjective and always incomplete perceptions.>Husserl was thinking of what we experience in life as being not necessarily reality, but phenomena of what we are biased to experience in the first placeNo, he was thinking of *how* we experience things in life and how the experiences are "constituted" via acts of consciousness such as memories and expectations. To call this "bias" is not just extremely tendentious but downright misleading. "Bias" is usually taken as a negative epistemic factor and as potentially eliminable, but Husserl is talking about things which are *required* for objective knowledge, i.e. something which can be epistemically good and which is at any rate ineliminable. For example, if we see a table, we have no choice but to bring certain sensory expectations "to the table", i.e. we expect to see that it has four or so legs if we look at it from different angles. We never just see the table in completion as it "really" is. That's not "bias", it's just the nature of perception and knowledge acquisition.How the fuck do you manage to mangle your supposed specialization so badly? I know it's pol and popularization may require simplification, but this is just misleading and even downright false.
>>537379311Well, I think there's a very healthy compromise to be had there, and it's that each of us is both a local, self-sustaining lump of being that is also continuous with everything else around us, each of which is also its own self-regarding globule
>>537379731Not sure I've ever heard of himBut I'll look him up JIC
>>537373873Why are you so obsessed with a dead Iraqi dictator that you would write 1500 pages on him?I mean, I get it, Sadam Husserl hated the jews and all, so based blabla, but man, 1500 pages seem a bit excessive, don't you think?Why dont you instead learn a real job like lumberjacking (off)?
>>537373873>450k in debtDo Americans really go in debt for a phd? Or was this for undergrad?In Europe it would be insane to do a phd without getting paid. It's not much, but it pays the bills.
>>537373873>1pbtid
>>537373873I bet you dont even know German well enough to speak it.Why would you waste your life on such and then not go all the way and learn the original medium in which Husserl thought?Plus, I studied Philosophy at German Uni and we had a few Husserl experts in Munich.
>>537374572I thought phenomology was measuring skulls and noses
>>537380156I'm not the one who said he was in debt -- that's the other guy, you're just swinging wildly with your eyes closedPut down the bottle of whatever it is and go take a nap already
>>537373873u still play pharaoh?
>>537383885Lmfao if you're not the phd anon you shouldn't be shitting up the thread with your sophomoric understanding of philosophy and general sub-normie tier musings. You're just a retard and you should kill yourself.
>>537374572Makes sense.
>>537373697that is not the worst story I have ever heard in terms of going into massive debt for a useless degree. Probably true
>>537374572There is nothing better in this world right now than weed, vidya and shitposting.
>>537373697>Edmund Husserl was born in 1859 in Prossnitz, Moravia (now Prostějov, Czech Republic) into a Jewish family.1500 biography on some dumb jew, he deserves his fate.
