*AND TEMPORARY VISA JEETS!
>>537406671I dont think you understand capitalism
>>537406763I don't think you understand judaism
>>537406671You've been saying this for 4 months now. Nothing will be retroactive even supposing SCOTUS approves it, which isn't likely.
>>537407010>which isn't likely
>>537406671
for anyone who cares you can go directly to the presidential order and see clearly that it specifically states it is not retroactive as portrayed in these threads.if the scotus decided trumps order is legal then it's retroactive to january 2025if they vote it isn't legal then trumps order gets flushed down the toilette and nothing changes.regardless of what happens it's still just a presidential order and the next president is going to flush it anyway.
>>537407408>Presidential orderIt's called an Executive Order my brown friendAnd the Executive Order has nothing to do with the SCOTUS decision on Clause 1 of the 14th AmendmentSCOTUS is not making a ruling on Executive Order 14160 they are making a ruling on the US Constitution, specifically, Clause 1 of the 14th Amendment.
>>537406671promise to kill yourself if it is not retroactive?
It's a new world, it's the same Constitution
>>537406671Isn’t Marco Rubio a birthright citizen? I wonder if he will get deported by Trump.
>>537407783Sure hope so, ALL, anchor babies must go!That includes that scamming jeet in Ohio.
When was the 14th Amendment overturned?
>>537407529you are regurgitating leftist talking points such as the ACLU who don't want the order to pass.again, the order specifically states no one is affected prior to the date 30 days after the order.
>>537407881>overturnedthe 14th amendment and standing precedent supports the Trump Administrations argumentsSCOTUS will UPHOLD the 14th amendmentWhen you want anchor babies and visa jeets to have US citizenship by birthright that is (You) wanting to overturn the 14th Amendment, it also makes (You) a traitor who should be hanged.
I will scream MAGA if Trump deports all niggers>Repeal the 14th so I can see a trail of tears. I will cry tears of joy.
>>537407983The Executive Order is irrelevant, retardEO 14160 only had one purpose from the moment it was signed; to be used as a vehicle to push the question of Birthright Citizenship, specifically, Clause 1 of the 14th Amendment>and subject to the jurisdiction thereofto the Supreme Court of the United States
>>537407990Nigger loving hands typed this
>>537406983>It's best if you have a shrinking population>You also need to let in foreigners to boost your population
>>537406983>WEP>Whi pepo bad, need more immigrant less homophobia!They record it because we cant do shit, ffs.
>>537408171>WEFTypo.
So Europeans, jeets, africans and the rest of garbage from the old continent are finally leaving the America continent? About time
>>537407010No you see, they're going to tank the economy by ripping out a third of our population and ship them off to...uh...well, there'll be countries, not very good but many, I hear, that will take 100 million people who have no nation.Sure there's international laws in place that you can't just revoke someones citizenship and kick them off to an island somewhere but /pol/ lives in some delusional fantasy about what the orange kike's doing.
>>537407990Doesn't the 14th Amendment sate "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."That seems pretty clear.
>>537406671I'm ready to mine migger salt in 10 days desu.
>>537408346>and subject to the jurisdiction thereofit says it right there anonThis line means that those in the US on temporary visas (H1b, Tourist, etc.) and those who enter the country illegally are not protected under that amendment. If you notice uses the word "and"this means that being subject to the jurisdiction thereof as a REQUIREMENT.
>>537408346Anytime you bring this up it turns into a literacy test where they'll hyper fixate on>subject to the jurisdiction thereofWith a spergfit that foreigners aren't subject to it; as if foreigners can enter your lands and commit crimes without recourse.
>>537408567I see we got Kentanji Brown Jackson in the thread now!Jackson unironically argued in oral arguments on this case that if a person entered Japan Illegally, stole someones wallet, and then was arrested that makes them a Japanese Citizen.
>>537408486Talking specifically of people born here, they are citizens, correct?
>>537408069>EO 14160 only had one purpose from the moment it was signed; to be used as a vehicle to push the question of Birthright Citizenshipyou are right about that.however, the supreme court can't rule in abstract. they can only rule on the text of the order as written.the text of the order as written is that it will not be retroactive prior to 30 days after the date it was signed.this really shouldn't be that hard to understand. we are going to have to agree to disagree.
>>537408709Yes, if their parents weren't illegal migrants or here on temporary visas.
>>537406671DEPORTTHEMALL
Thanks, putting it on the calendar to remember to farm MIGA tears
>>537408711THEY AREN'T RULING ON THE EXECUTIVE ORDERSCOTUS is making a ruling on Clause 1 of the 14th amendmentThe 14th amendment was ratified on July 9th, 1868That means that their ruling will be, can be, retroactive to July 9th, 1868.
>>537408657I'm not sure if you realize you're putting your own argument onto the same level as an illiterate nigger.
>>537408823>NO Uits all so tiresomeMy arguments are based around the 14th amendment, standing precedent, and the meaning of the words "domicile" and "allegiance" especially in the context of 1868 when the 14th was ratified.
>>537408751>"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."Please explain how parents being here illegally or on temporary visas negates "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
>>537408990>and subject to the jurisdiction thereofyou answered your own question
>>537408820screaming and having a hissy fit about it does not make it true.but you keep ignoring my question: promise to kill yourself if it is not retroactive?
>>537408947Your arguments are based around your own incapability to read above a sixth grade level.You are the same type of negro who argues the second amendment doesn't apply to the people because you're hyper fixated on a single bit.
>>537409057>and subject to the jurisdiction thereofWhat does this text mean in the 14th amendment?In 1868 Jurisdiction meant more than simply being withing the "geographical limits" of the united states and subject to its laws as that would have applied to Native Americans who were explicitly excluded from Birthright Citizenship in the 14th amendment.So what does "subject to the jurisdiction" mean?Jurisdiction meant Allegiance which was separated into two groups in the 1860s and still is today, its an ancient concept that goes back all the way to the Greeks and the Code of Justinian and eventually Common Law>Natural Allegiance: An intrinsic obligation of loyalty to the sovereign from birth.>Local Allegiance: Owed in return for the protection provided by the sovereign during a sojourners stay.Jurisdiction means allegiance, and allegiance of an alien present in another country is determined by domicile and that precedent set by SCOTUS goes back to The Venus (1814), The Koszta Affair (1853), Elk v. Wilkins (1883), Fong Yue Ting (1893), Law Ow Bew (1892), and finally with Wong Kim Ark in 1898.
>>537407217This poster is jewish>>537408284>they're going to tank the economy by ripping out a third of our populationYou mean the inflation bloated economy of falsehoods and usury built on cheap disposable goods? What a cryin' shame... My kids might actually be able to afford a house in their lifetime. It won't happen though, the only way to reduce population here is a 100-year moratorium on all immigration and a civil war to remove globalists.
>>537409032So children of people here on visas are above the law?
>>537407010>You've been saying this for 4 months now.The spam started a year ago, though I don't know if it's the same anon.This one has admitted he will be spamming indefinitely, so it might be the the same spammer.
>>537409111Wong Kim Ark supports the Trump Administrations ArgumentWong Kim Arks parents were "Permanent Residents" who were "Domiciled" in San Francisco and held "Allegiance" to the United States of America when they gave birth to Wong Kim Ark. They were not Temporary Visa Holders/Sojourners/Workers, nor were they Illegal Migrants.To be protected under the 14th Amendment you need more than to be "subject to the laws of the united states" as was determined in Elk v. Wilkins (1884) where it was ruled that one must be "completely subject to the united states political jurisdiction" and "owing them (the united states) direct and immediate allegiance."This was later reaffirmed in 1898 with United Sates v. Wong Kim Ark in which the word "Domicile" was used 28 times, and the word "Allegiance" was used 114 times.What was the legal definition of "domicile" in 1898?>Domicile: Lawful presence with the intention to stay permanently. What was the legal definition of "Allegiance" in 1884?>Complete/Permanent/Natural Allegiance: an intrinsic obligation of loyalty to the government from birth.>Partial/Temporary/Local Allegiance: Owed in return for the protection provided by the sovereign during a sojourners stay.
Why were native Americans excluded from Birthright Citizenship despite their territories being within declared US Geographical Limits and no Native Tribe ever at any point in US history having recognized "sovereign" land?They were subject to us laws and regulations, they could even brought to a US judge and tried in a US court for laws they broke on tribal lands. So why weren't they considered "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" and explicitly denied the birthright citizenship protections under the 14th amendment?The answer is "ALLEGIANCE" the US was at war at worst and in tense relationships at best with ALL the native american tribes and it was believed in 1868 that those born to the tribes held "ALLEGIANCE" to their tribe and thus were not eligible for "DOMICILE" in the united states which would have granted them protection under the 14th amendment. It wasn't until 70+ years later through an act of congress in the 1920s that Native Americans were granted birthright citizenship, and no act of congress exists today for Illegal Migrants or Temporary Visa Holders.
>>537409226Yeah, I took a break from /pol/ for awhile back then. So he's been doing this longer than I thought, regardless the outcome is decided. Trump is just pulling a similar shitty switcheroo to what Texas governor Abbott did, which was to send all the migrants to blue states to deliberately give them more seats in congress through apportionment and then bring 100s of 1000s of JEETs in. Trump is going to deport a bunch of migrants but fill their void with JEETs because he's a globalist transnational fucktard.
Notice how none of the shills actually engage in arguments.This is because they have no argument.Pic related is the current state of the opposition, they have no argument, they can only hope that the justices make an EMOTIONAL decision and not one based on legal precedent, facts, logic, and history.
>>537409808There is an easy answer, amend the Constitution to correct the meaning of the 14th Amendment. Say something like, "Only children of US citizens are US citizens" I'd be in favor of that.
>>537409808If anyone was competent enough in their arguments they would suggest to put it to a national vote on the ballot as a measure. May the best argument win. They won't though.
>>537409992They don't have to amend the 14thThe 14th as it is written today already supports the Trump Administrations argumentsThe 14th Amendment today already denies protection to those who are not>subject to the jurisdiction thereofwhich includes; Ambassadors, (Formerly) Native Americans, Temporary Visa Holders, Invaders of a Foreign Army, and Illegal Migrants.
>>537406671Jews arent going to play along now, theyll vote in favor of keeping it. Expect 500 votes all saying to keep it, courtesy of aipac
>>537409808will you kill yourself if it is not retroactive?
>>537408567Wait what did Julian Assange do to become a chud? I thought he was beloved for exposing le Bush?
>>537410275Image was made back in 2015~ ish when he released those hillary emails and they wanted blood.
How come browns want to live near me so badly but can’t stop running their dumb nigger mouth about me?
>>537410104So temporary visa holders and their children born here are above the law?
>>537410446I see we got Kentanji Brown Jackson in the thread now!Jackson unironically argued in oral arguments on this case that if a person entered Japan Illegally, stole someones wallet, and then was arrested that makes them a Japanese Citizen.
>>537406671You are a stupid nigger if you think Trump will do anything except bring MORE indians. Hes brought more visa jeets than any other president, and deported less people than fucking Obama. Beat yourself to death with a bat bro
>>537407529You will never be a woman.
>>537410679Repealing the 19th will happen in my lifetime.
>>537410446They are subject to criminal law as visitors, not entitled to the status of a citizen and the laws that govern them.
>>537410880>They are subject to criminal law as visitors, not entitled to the status of a citizen and the laws that govern them.So you're saying that they ARE subject to the law?"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
>>537411027>Jurisdiction means subject to the lawDASSS RITE!!!SLAY QWEEEN!! DASSS RITE KENTANJI BROWN JACKSON!IF DEY BE IN JAPAN AND STEAL A WALLUT THEY IZ CITIZEN CUZ JOORISDIKCHUN!
never gonna happen. trump installed deepstate kikes and a rino whore that adopted a dozen afriacn niggers
>>537411027They are outside the law as foreigners, however that doesn't grant them carte blanche to commit crime. They are subjected to our rules while here but that doesn't make them a citizen any more than a visitor to your home having a sleepover with you would make them a resident of it. Your home is your own, even if they crap out a kid in it that kid isn't suddenly yours too. Stop being jewish or brown, whatever the case may be.
>>537411283Seems to me that the 14th Amendment does make them citizens if they are born here. This will be any easy call of SCOTUS to strike down the OE.If you want to change birthright citizenship, do it the right way with a Constitutional Amendment.
>>537411493>and subject to the jurisdiction thereofthe 14th amendment supports the Trump Administrations arguments If you don't like it you can utilize your Article V powers and amend the US Constitution.
>>537410736In 10 days, you will kill yourself.
>>537411493Guess we should be thankful you aren't in charge of anything that matters?
seems to me the shills have abandoned the thread
