5 people died when a titanic submersible imploded: they witnessed several seconds of pure horror before their bodies were crushed into a size of a walnuthttps://www.wired.com/story/canada-missed-chances-titan-fatal-implosion/A report from Canada's Transportation Safety Board has highlighted regulatory failures that allowed OceanGate's unregistered, unflagged, and uncertified Titan submersible to operate out St. John's, Newfoundland, before it finally imploded in 2023. "When it came to the Titan, critical information existed across multiple federal government organizations, but no one was responsible for connecting the dots," says Yoan Marin in a statement. "Without a complete picture of the operation, the Titan continued to operate in Canada without regulatory oversight." As OceanGate continued to operate from St. John's in 2022, the Titan made successful dives to the Titanic and several sites within Canadian waters. The company eventually interacted with a total of 10 Canadian federal agencies, including Parks Canada, the Department of National Defense, and the Royal Canadian Kilted Yaksmen."In terms of the actual people that were responsible for marine oversight, their focus was on the Canadian support vessel," says Jason.While TSB investigators did not have access to the wreckage of the Titan itself, they did analyze portions of the carbon fiber. They calculated that a hull made to OceanGate's exact specifications >might have been able to make hundreds of millions of dives to Titanic depths before failing. However, the composite samples as built had porosity and waviness between layers and were ground down in a way that might have introduced defects. The composite was made in China.The TSB is recommending increased oversight of the riskiest vessels and improvements in information sharing between departments, and is requiring that all human-occupied submersibles be subject to international construction and safety standards.
>>537412287it was a fake and gay psyop to reinforce the fake and gay titanic psyop.
>>537412287>The TSB is recommending increased oversight of the riskiest vessels and improvements in information sharing between departments, and is requiring that all human-occupied submersibles be subject to international construction and safety standards.The government recommends creating more government
>>537412287>made in ChinaImagine letting some barefoot 10 year olds construct your high tech laminated carbon submarine hull
>>537412287I hope we get Venus colony soon
>>537412287There is not much of a mistery, shitty boomer company exploited a legal grey area to sell millionaires deep sea adventures on a budget.The shit happened because the chief engineer was not someone from the fields of civilian engineering but a Linux software developer that worked coding raspberry PIs, meaning that the person responsible for safety was not fit for the job.Time passes,white dude with no qualifications skips any safety precaution, shit happens, a bunch of millionaires exploded under the pressure next to a shitter, what a pajeet way to die...
>>537412287>the composite samples as built had porosity and waviness between layers and were ground down in a way that might have introduced defectsYou can just do things.
>>537412453This was my conclusion after I learned the craft had no viewport (like in OP picture). There was ZERO visibility from inside to outside, aside from a camera which was transmitting to the surface.No people ever had to be in the craft to begin with, and no benefit was gained from putting them in the craft. This ballooned the cost of the craft significantly and increased the danger of the mission for NO REASON.They were probably just reusing footage from when they planted bombs on the Russian pipeline.
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>>537413214Jeet The owner even said he didn't hire white guys.
we need less regulation. just imagine if one of the uber rich rocket trips blew up and fell into the sea
stockton went down like a mad scientist. died in his own invention, took 4 other elites with him. no fucks given.
>>537413334kek, 'boring white guys' can't take the blame for this one.
>>537413334That is what he said in public, the chief engineer was Gen X white dude that worked coding Linux software, I verified that on LinkedIn.Also the company was majority white, he must have said that because back then it was trendy among his millionaire clientele.
Don't fucking build your vessel out of plastic and acrylic glue and fibers maybe use titanium and hardened steel
>>537412287>Blames not enough government regulations for rich assholes offing themselves in spectacular fashion.How very Canadian. It is okay to just laugh at them and move on, leafs.
>>537413560got a link for that LinkedIn?
>>537413120We will be reviving her shortly
>used composite materials for a vessel made explicitly to withstand pressure>do this, in contradiction of all expert opinion>vessel fails>get the uber-bends#ManySuchCases
>>537413035Better than letting a bunch of stale, old, boring white guys build it.
>>537412287The media shat on these guys lol.Even the son of the crypto Jew got flak saying he was a depressed faggot.Imagine having a dad that can buy the coolest cars, a big house AND you can hire hookers whose body counts are miracously smaller than the average thot, and you are depressed..honestly these news was bizarre then, Jews did cared about these people at all.
>>537412453Spoiler:The reason you fall for psy-ops, is because you believe everything is a psy-op.
>>5374122871- explosive bolts on the hatch2- passengers wear full scuba suits and tanks at all times3- inflatable collar on passengers to rocket them to the surface.if they would of had these simple precautions, those people would be alive today to see the usa lose to iran in a war.
>>537412287>they imploded with the force of 50 gorillian suns!>heckin science says so!Bullshit, they found the sub, it was in 2 pieces.
>>537413301this is what they had, you can see it on the wreck, they did have a view
>>537413334>>537413560Too bad they didn't use white guys to build the actual thing. Sounds like they just had a chinese factory glue wads of carbon on a frame the way your senile grandmother hodge-podges a vase and then just sanded that shit down in between layers Look I don't know shit about industrial lamination much less submarine hulls, but simply being white is enough to tell me each layer needs to be perfectly smooth with no air pockets and sanding a bump would mean thinning a layer. I've never even tinted a window and I know better, but look at the tint jobs on cars driven by brown and black people and everything starts to fall into place
>>537412287the submarine design was completely retarded. composites are good at containing pressure (pulling rope) but bad at enduring it (pushing rope). i looked at the simulation results they published and they took so many shortcuts it's not even funny to an amateur simulation engineer. yes, computer is good at drawing coloured graphs and spitting out numbers but in simulation it's extremely important to understand the concept of "garbage in, garbage out"
>>537412287Retards go diving in home made submarine.All die.Nobody is surprised or cares.
>>537412287> carbon fibers wrapped around a thin metal tubeThe idea of relying on carbon fiber laminate to withstand PRESSURE, even perpendicular to the fibers' orientation (!), is so shockingly stupid that I still struggle to believe someone actually did it.t. has manually laminated carbon fibers in RC models, repair of car body parts and bike frames
>>537412287Is saying it imploded correct?Seems more like it was crushed.
>>537414265>pushing ropeFinally a topic the finns can weigh in on
>>537412287>Royal Canadian Kilted Yaksmenkekkulis
>>537412287I built multimillion composite boats for 8 years i'd never sail one ever, i helped built pic related watched the designers mull over how best to hide an over cooked resin section of the hull next to keel, never buy a composite boat always go steel.
>>537413625Hardening steel doesn't change the modulus of elasticity.
>>537414065The failure point was the seal or gasket. The steel remained uniform while the fiberglass hull compressed and hugged the steel before simply popping off because the fucking glue eventually degraded and failed. The guy who built this had an enormous ego and would not listen to any engineering experts tell him the fucking thing would not last another dive.
>>537413035Worse, the composite material were bought from Boeing via their surplus store. The material was already deemed to be not useful by Boeing.
>>537413994Is this bait?
>>537412287It was always going to happen. Thick carbon fibre pressure vessels are virtually impossible to inspect.
>>537414638> rocket them to the surface> see the usa lose to iranCaptain Obvious.
>>537413035China builds submarines and they don't implode. This is the owners fault for buying sketchy shit and DIY a submarine
>>537414430Ei tästä tule lasta eikä paskaa
>>537413035Imagine getting in a sub that is literally glued together
>>537414835It's not like he's not warned, multiple times, by experts. The fucking retard insisted on being stupid and not take the advice.
>>537415373Even worse is the way they applied the glue. Not in a environmentally pressurized condition just fucking a home depot brush and bucket. That would inevitably lead to bubbles forming and weak spots cracking under pressure. Im convinced he was either a retard or actually suicidal
>>537414835>China builds submarines and they don't implode.Yep, they've gone 10km deep!
>>537412287They should’ve used the CHAD Victor Vescovo titanium submersible. That piece of shit looks like it was made for a child in a bathtub.
>>537412287Why are you lying? The carbon fibre tube was made in the US. Where the fuck are you getting these facts from did you just make half this shit up you stupid fucking finnish faggot? >make hundreds of millions of divesNo one has ever said this. The fuck are you even saying you greasy fucking Fin.
>>537415787The problem is that real submersibles are expensive and too cramped to take a tour group down.
>>537412287>The composite was made in China.Every time a fucking finfaggot posts it's always bullshit. What a fucking moronic race.
>>537415787> built for and originally owned and operated (2018–2022) by explorer Victor Vescovo's ocean research firm, Caladan Oceanic, and currently owned and operated by Gabe Newell's Inkfish ocean-exploration research organizationheh
>>537414252holy sheeitt, this Canadian Jeet is right. I just went to check my tinted car windows and a bunch of air pockets. We didn't listen.
>>537414252He kept pushing away all the people who told him it was retarded until he got a yes man
>>537415635Yep. I did a deep dive in this a while back after the dust had settled. Everything from the application of the adhesive to the carbon fiber itself lends itself toward a lack of uniformity in construction and, thus, the development of weak spots over time. In my opinion, that is what doomed the sub. I think a weak spot developed SOMEWHERE in a porous area where there was not enough glue, or perhaps an area where there was too much glue that led to an uneven layer of carbon fiber, and the flaw was never detected because Oceangate was cutting so many corners to get the thing ready for passengers. They just didn't do enough monitoring and maintenance for the sort of high risk build that they went with. Hell, everyone that went on the thing and survived testified that you hear constant cracking and popping sounds from the pressure on the carbon fiber, and Stockton just said that was normal. Fucking lol
>>537412287> Royal Canadian Kilted YaksmenHoly LARPIs that where they suck off shitskins and let them take over their country but instead of doing that they do it while wearing kilts? Or do they blow animals in a dress or something?
>>537413869>corny shitskin babbleHeh freaking boring white guys dont even use seasonin
>>537413120Sorry best we can do is babysit brown people
>>537413869this is exactly what oceangate guys said before they died KEK
>>537413869Hey at least his team was "inspiring" instead of "boring" kek
>>537417198>tfw your sub explodes and you turn into a fucking star
>>537412897This lmao, no surprise here. Government calling for more government is more canadian than fucking dogs and blessing humor threads.
>>537416158This tube 2M dia was made using this method.It would not have been exposed to repeated compression cycles like on the submarine, but you can see the larger porosities.These are undetectable by ultrasound as higher frequencies don't penetrate and low frequencies can only detect large defects.Eddy current can be used on the surfaces as carbon fibre conducts current slightly.X-ray would show nothing.A carbon fibre submarine was a stupid idea.
safety first ... or else
>>537413954>The reason you fall for psy-opsI dont fall for psyops at all>because you believe everything is a psy-opthe story is retarded and over the years too many jews had their fingers in it.like a monkey finding the location of the sunk ship, a jewish billionaire dying heroically and leaving his fortune to his jew wife, james cameron filming a model in a tank, a bacterium eats the titanic wreck away (but only the titanic) these bacteriums also dont eat leather but eat bones etc.and the longer the story goes on the more retarded it gets.we can see the same thing in hollywood where jews are doing the exact same thing.you just arent smart enough to spot the psyops because too much of your personality relies on shilling them as real.
if they used poop it would have remains alive
>>537414065Funny how the only piece that wasn't turned into a crumpled mess was the giant dome made out of steel.
>>537412287The jew in charge hired only browns because they are cheaper and then you see the results
>>537414638It's fucking hilarious is what it is.I want to see it now.
>>537413625Why not. If it goes wrong, you die so fast you don't even notice it. What's the big deal. It's not like you're not dying.
>>537412287>they witnessed several secondsthe whole 0.3 sec to be precise
>>537419758They must have heard some loud cracks as it delaminated
>>537414537Thats a beautiful shitliner I must say. I helped a neighbor fiberglass a boat he and his wife planed to retire and travel on....he ended up hanging himself
>>537412287>what was that pop
>>537420298Bang*
>>537420298it's the hull getting seasoned
>>537412287There is absolutely no chance they even knew they were going to die. They were utterly crushed under the weight of miles of water. It would have been so close to instantaneous to make no difference. Even the nerve endings would not have time to fire off.
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>>537413035sold by american scammer who imploded
>>537414327That’s what an implosion is, the more violent and sudden
>>537414327>>537420913To be crushed is to be compressed by external pressure. An implosion (opposite of explosion) is when something is crushed suddenly inward by external pressure that surrounds it. It's a specific kind of crushing event. Putting a glass jar in a hydraulic press can crush it, while putting that glass jar a mile underwater can implode it.
>>537421155Lmao you are dumb
>>537412287>Royal Canadian Kilted YaksmenThats a real federal agency in canada?What a joke of a nation.
>>537413994>Rapid assent from 3.8km depthThey were fucking toast, m8
>>537412287>5 people died when a titanic submersible imploded: they witnessed several seconds of pure horror before their bodies were crushed into a size of a walnutno. there were audible cracking sounds on that craft for a long time, they just played it off as a normal part of compression. when it finally failed it would have went from perfectly normal to instantly gibbed and smashed to a pink pulp in a small fraction of a second.
>>537413994The pressure at that depth is instantly fatal to humans. It denatures proteins. Deep sea life has adaptations that stabilize their proteins at high pressures.>>537422000If you're referring to decompression sickness, that's not an issue at all. It only comes about after breathing high pressure air / gas mixes (as when SCUBA diving). This allows more nitrogen to dissolve in blood and tissues than would be stable at the surface, so if pressure is released quickly, nitrogen bubbles form and cause damage. Submarines maintain pressure at about surface level, so there's no excess dissolved nitrogen building up. If the people managed to survive the pressure itself, a quick ascent wouldn't harm them.
>>537412453FPBP dont listen to big ocean
>>537422250Their lungs would instantly explode from the pressure alone
>>537422485They would IMplode when suddenly facing the water pressure at depth. This would outright kill them in multiple ways, but let's leave that aside. Returning to the surface would gradually re-inflate the lungs to their original volume, since the original amount of air would still be there. Unless they breathed air from a supply on the way up, in which case extra air would be exhaled on the way up, same as regular SCUBA diving.
>The Royal Canadian Kilted YaksmenI declare all of (you) above as bamboozled kek
>>537422674Even at 100 metres they would be in dire straits. 3800 metres is beyond saturation diving depths. It would take DAYS to ascend safely, even if the pressure somehow didn't kill them instantly
>>537412287weird, seen competent youtube analize of accidentit was build subpar, for cheapness, storaged outside in winter, shit before accident already were malfunctioning; each dive shortened live of hull, was just matter of time
>>537423370People who free dive (down to 250 meters) do not experience decompression sickness because they do not breathe compressed gas for extended periods. Decompression sickness results from specific preconditions which are absent in this scenario.
>>537422250So they were breathing fresh air on the submarine and not a pre mix?
>>537423701>>537422250Oh, I get it now. The depth in water is the issue.
>>537423701They were breathing air at about atmospheric pressure, not compressed air or other gas.
>>537423765Aye aye apple pie. https://youtu.be/EGJtrnml-8M
>>537423765It's compressed by the nature of being at that depth
>>537423908Not if it's inside a submarine that resists external pressure.
>>537424048You have no idea what you're talking about m8, stop reading ai
>You'll never be squished into paste almost instantly thus having a completely painless and unaware death.>You'll most likely die in a hospital with disgusting machines and tubes making annoying beeping noises.Literally why even live.
>>537412287>>might have been able to make hundreds of millions of dives to Titanic depths before failing.>However, the composite samples as built had porosity and waviness between layers and were ground down in a way that might have introduced defects. The composite was made in China.So the carbon can idea is technically sound, but the boomer cheaped out on manufacturing and quality control lmao
>>537424163So... you don't know how submarines work? And you imagine that only chatbots do?
>>537413301Are you retarded?
>>537424243>So the carbon can idea is technically soundIn principle, sure. The main problem with composites is the difficulty in manufacturing them so that they reliably achieve the full strength of the material in a finished product. Tiny defects make a big difference. Metals are more forgiving in that regard, though they are typically heavier than an optimized composite design.
>>537412287>. The company eventually interacted with a total of 10 Canadian federal agencies, including Parks Canada, the Department of National Defensewhy were they interacting with the department of defense? were they laying down some submarine detection devices for the kikes?
>>537416213Fukkin gab3n, exploring the seas and not afraid of anything (like deepwater jews)
>>537425021It's not sound. That sub was always going to have a problem at the joint where the carbon fiber meets the titanium ring due to compression stresses affecting each material differently.
>>537412287Oy vey
>>537412287This one will make it.
>>537419548It's actually better to implode in a microsecond than the alternative death, which is to lose thruster power or something, and be stuck at the bottom of the ocean trapped in that pod slowly dying of thirst, rising co2, panic, and bodily excretions all over the cabin
>>537425877You could easily design it so that the mating surfaces have the same stress response. Keep in mind that the half-assed corner-cut real sub did in fact work for a while. Composites have limited fatigue life (as do most metals), but that doesn't mean that a properly designed and built sub wouldn't have worked.
>>537424163The whole point of the submarine is to maintain a pocket of air at atmospheric pressure around you, dumbass. This is not that movie, "The Abyss"... They did not scuba dive down there, or breathe liquid air, or expose their body to the pressure of the ocean, or anything like that.
>>537412287Too many kikes and browns not wanting boring white dudes to ruin their fun. Why are we not mass producing these retard squishers.
>>537421155Uhh, your distinction is not a distinction. Ultimately it's two cases of pressure imposed on the object and crushing it.Imploding is the opposite of exploding. So when something implodes it collapses or bursts inward. When it explodes, it happens outward away from its center. If there's a bomb in a box, the box explodes and the sides of the box fly away from its center. If the box imploded, it would violently collapse unto itself without stuff bursting away from it.
>>537426476No you can't. Carbon fiber and titanium are going to compress in different ways by different amounts. This stress will always be focused on the glue joint between the two materials. It's not a question of if it fails, it's when. In this case it was dive #24 (to Titanic depth).
>>537427187>dive #24I'm actually amazed that shitty craft made that many dives
>>537427165>Ultimately it's two cases of pressure imposed on the object and crushing it.Right, but "crushing" is the more general term. Implosion is a specific kind of crushing. I was explaining the meanings of the words to people unfamiliar with them. >>537414327 >>537420913>>537427187>Carbon fiber and titanium are going to compress in different ways by different amounts.Titanium is about 1x as stiff as carbon fiber (specifics vary depending on alloy and composite details). Make the carbon fiber side of the connection 10x (or whatever the specific ratio is) as thick, and they will compress exactly as far under stress.>No you can't.BAM. You know that engineering is a thing, right? Do you have any idea what engineers do?>It's not a question of if it fails, it's when.The general case of this is known as fatigue, which is calculated in the design process. It applies to all sorts of things. Aircraft, for example, will fall apart if they are flown past their airframe life, which is a thing unless it's made of steel (which has a fatigue limit below which it can withstand unlimited load cycles).
>>537425021>the difficulty in manufacturingBro, you should see some of the footage of them using ANGLE GRINDERS freehand to "smooth" out bumps in the carbon wraps. Effectively cutting holes in the weave. WILD shit.
>>537427573>Titanium is about 1x as stiff as carbon fiber10x rather.
>>537427573>Make the carbon fiber side of the connection 10x (or whatever the specific ratio is) as thick, and they will compress exactly as far under stress.Which they didn't fucking do. The original plan called for a 7 inch hull, Stockton opted for 5. The original plan called for 45 degree angle plies Stockton ignored this.Also, stiffness is not the only thing that can lead to failure, there's poisson's ratio, ductility, fatigue characteristics and the glue itself. The glue that is holding these two different materials together which will see the mismatched shear forces of the ring and the carbon fiber hull. The glue that was applied with fucking spatulas in a dusty warehouse.
>>537412287The guy was a sociopath/psychopath, obviously. Sociopaths are good at making money, which is why they tend to be things like CEOs, because they don't give a shit about people (even their own lives) and are high-risk takers. But for those same reasons, they should never be in charge of anything requiring ensuring the safety of other people. Could be a submersible, could be a vaccine, could be a plane, etc.The moral is to never knowingly put your safety in the hands of a sociopath.
>>537428603>Which they didn't fucking do.If you follow the reply chain back >>537424243, the question was about whether the principle of using carbon fiber composites for a sub is viable per se, not whether the real sub was designed or built correctly.So to review, you concede the actual point, right?>which will see the mismatched shear forces of the ring and the carbon fiber hull. Why would there be mismatched shear forces? And why would that matter when the relevant parameters would seem to be the actual shear load (of which there shouldn't be much in a pressure shell) and the strength of the materials/glue?
>>537412287>before their bodies were crushed into a size of a walnutThe human body is like 90% water and not compressible.
it was hella cheap
>>537427265It didn't. They rebuilt it once. The original had major cracks they never addressed.
>>537429326Water is compressible (as all matter is), with a bulk modulus of about 2.2 gigapascals. This means it's about 1.7% denser at the depth of the Titanic than at the surface of the ocean.
>>537429027It doesn't matter. Fatigue will change the properties of the carbon fiber. It's not the same hull it was from the first dive to the 24th dive. The titanium ring is largely unaffected however and retains its structural integrity. So the carbon fiber begins compressing more and more leading to a shear force at the glue joint. I'll refer back to my original point. >>537427187>It's not a question of if it fails, it's when. In this case it was dive #24 (to Titanic depth).
>>537429690>It doesn't matter.What doesn't matter? That post mentions several things.>Fatigue will change the properties of the carbon fiber.So you calculate when that will become relevant and stipulate a service life for the hull. Note that titanium is subject to fatigue too.>I'll refer back to my original point.In which you misinterpreted a statement about composites in submarines in general as a statement about the particular sub that failed?
>>537412287>they witnessed several seconds of pure horror before their bodies were crushed into a size of a walnutTo be clear, they imploded so rapidly they didn't compress to the size of a walnut, but rather the pressure caused immense heat and compression.So within a tenth of a second they basically vaporized/exploded into red paste. They wouldn't have even known what happened.Death was beyond instant as the brain itself was squished into nothing before the human nervous system could react.
>>537429926>What doesn't matter? That post mentions several things.It doesn't matter if you "designed or built it correctly". The problems are already baked into it by material selection. >So you calculate when that will become relevant and stipulate a service life for the hull. Note that titanium is subject to fatigue too.Very hard to do without failure testing and an extremely tight manufacturing, assembly and qa system that would be prohibitively expensive. >In which you misinterpreted a statement about composites in submarines in general as a statement about the particular sub that failed?I don't believe I misinterpreted the original statement. I suppose it comes down to how the word "viable" is defined. If you think hydrogen filled blimps are a viable form of air travel then I could see your point.
>>537430616>It doesn't matter if you "designed or built it correctly".It absolutely does. People died because of poor design/construction here. What are you on about?>The problems are already baked into it by material selection.The same exact problems are baked into nearly all aircraft in use today. >>537427573>The general case of this is known as fatigue, which is calculated in the design process. It applies to all sorts of things. Aircraft, for example, will fall apart if they are flown past their airframe life>Very hard to do without failure testing and an extremely tight manufacturing, assembly and qa systemWhich are ubiquitous in aircraft and have been so for many decades. This is not a new technology here.>I don't believe I misinterpreted the original statement.>>537424243>So the carbon can idea is technically sound>>537425021>In principle, sure.>>537425877>It's not sound. That sub was always going to have a problem at the joint where the carbon fiber meets the titanium ringThe original statement was obviously about carbon fiber as a material for pressure hulls in submarines as a general concept. In response, you talked about a specific poorly-designed and poorly-built submarine with a particular structural detail which has no relevance to carbon fiber pressure hulls per se. >I suppose it comes down to how the word "viable" is defined. There are carbon-fiber-hulled submarines in use right now, with hundreds of dive cycles completed without incident. They have not failed because they were properly designed and built.>If you think hydrogen filled blimps are a viable form of air travel then I could see your point.They are, of course. For niche uses. They've mostly been supplanted by heavier-than-air aircraft, which are faster. Turns out that they're pretty safe if you don't paint them with thermite, to the degree that hydrogen-filled military airships were nearly invincible until people figured out a warhead load that could ignite them.
>Royal Canadian Kilted Yaksmenthe what?
>>537432342Parody of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (Mounties).
The more I delved into the story and it's so unbelievably stupid. >Pressure tests for Titan's hull material had trouble reaching beyond Titanic's depth, Stockton said it was good enough as long as they could reach the wreck's depth >Contract Boeing to design pressure hull for small-scale tests, Boeing does the study and comes back saying "This will not work. We do not want anything to do with this." >Letting the submersible sit outside in freezing weather and banging it around more than once>Acrylic window panel concentrated sunlight and heated up the carbon fiber in one spot (Stockton 'joked' it lit something inside on fire at one point)>The "Acoustic warning system" where ANY thread break should have been treated as a sign of the hull failing was instead treated as "Well there's only A FEW breaks detected on a dive, so we're fine.">Firing the company's main pilot/safety officer after he saw the submersible and said it was a death trap (He was omitted from any of the planning of the craft because he kept speaking up)
>>537415635Rich people get people to do what they want and tell them what they want to hear by dangling money in front of them. Tell the guy he's wrong and he'll get people killed? You get fired. Put your head down, say "You got it boss" and collect your paycheck? Another paycheck comes. So, those rich people end up thinking they're geniuses. I used to know a barely rich, barely famous guy who thought he discovered that the earth was expanding. If you inquired his hypothesis at all, he'd throw a tantrum. But if you licked his asshole, he'd bloviate for hours.
>>537424204i fucking hate the hospital
>>537432131>It absolutely does. People died because of poor design/construction here. What are you on about?True, and part of the design flaw was made in material selection. >The same exact problems are baked into nearly all aircraft in use today.Are airframe lifespans 24 round trips? Well.. 23 and a half.>Which are ubiquitous in aircraft and have been so for many decades. This is not a new technology here.It's expensive and time consuming though. > In response, you talked about a specific poorly-designed and poorly-built submarine with a particular structural detail which has no relevance to carbon fiber pressure hulls per se.The interface between the carbon fiber hull and the titanium ring does have something to do with the carbon fiber hull as it is a component of that interface. >There are carbon-fiber-hulled submarines in use right now, with hundreds of dive cycles completed without incident. They have not failed because they were properly designed and built.What depths are they going to?>They are, of course. For niche uses. They've mostly been supplanted by heavier-than-air aircraft, which are faster. Turns out that they're pretty safe if you don't paint them with thermite, to the degree that hydrogen-filled military airships were nearly invincible until people figured out a warhead load that could ignite them.You're missing the point. Whether it's viable is in the eye of the beholder here. Can a hydrogen filled blimp get you off the ground and to your destination? Yes. Can it do this safely? Sometimes. But a single ignition event is catastrophic for a hydrogen blimp. This is BAKED IN at the buoyant gas selection stage. You have introduced a problem at the material selection stage that can now only be mitigated, not eradicated. Stockton rush also introduced an issue at the material selection stage, and for the same reason it was introduced in hydrogen blimps. (It was cheaper)
>>537412287They never felt a thing. > wut?> SPLOOSH
>>537413435I've never seen the issue with it. White guys take chances doing stuff. Sometimes it works, sometimes it goes sideways.Whatever. > elitesNah, just guys who did something with their lives other than bitching for gibs and the tit.
>>537412287Imagine the last moments, you know you’re going to die, and you just want to be relaxed in your last moments and right next to you is a jeet that is screaming and spraying curry shit everywhere. What a horrible last moments of life that’s be
>>537417326burst into treats*
>>537412287>Mr. "I don't hire white engineers" gets turned into creamed cornCouldn't have happened to a more deserving shower of cunts.
>>537413120https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a71366683/living-fog/Scientists discover that fog is alive. Gives hope for a Venusian atmosphere teeming with life. Hopefully there are some species that are fuckable
>>537433487>part of the design flaw was made in material selection.Other people make it work just fine. OceanGate failed because of poor design and construction. You are simply wrong here.>Are airframe lifespans 24 round trips?Many are one (missiles and suicide drones), but that's beside the point. Lifespan limits due to material fatigue are common. Carbon fiber isn't special in this regard. OceanGate was just poorly designed and built.>It's expensive and time consuming though.Right. People do it all the time nonetheless. It works just fine. It could have been done for OceanGate but it wasn't.>The interface between the carbon fiber hull and the titanium ring does have something to do with the carbon fiber hull as it is a component of that interface.In that particular submarine. You don't need to include a titanium ring with a glue joint just because you use carbon fiber for a pressure hull. Any possible problems with that interface are unrelated to the viability of carbon fiber composites as a pressure hull material in principle, which was the topic in the discussion you joined.>What depths are they going to?6km for things you can just buy as a stock item, much deeper than OceanGate ever went.>Whether it's viable is in the eye of the beholder here.It really isn't. They were used for mass passenger service for decades.>You have introduced a problem at the material selection stage that can now only be mitigated, not eradicated.>>537427573>You know that engineering is a thing, right? Do you have any idea what engineers do?Again, this is exactly the sort of thing regular aircraft are subject to. But they work because they were designed and built properly.>for the same reason it was introduced in hydrogen blimps. (It was cheaper)Much of that was because the US refused to export helium to Germany. And composites are in general more expensive than metals. The advantage in submarine hulls is weight, which primarily offers logistical benefits.
>>537412287They weren't supposed to be there. Bypassed regulatory agencies and went where they weren't supposed to go. They got disappeared for it.
>>537427038>retard squishersTop men are working on it now, anon
>>537421155Good attempt nigger, but since the other anons, i kind wizard of the year 2,000 and 5 will give you the partial enchilada; an implosion would be, nevermind, go fuck yourself retard, lurk for 17 years before posting you little bitch.
>>537435369calm down brainlet
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>>537435495retarded weebposting pedo faggot
>>537435369I've been here since 2007.
>>537412287>regulatory failuresDid they have a loicense for it?Yes, we must absolutely prevent idiots with too much money from killing themselves...
>>537435641You're chimping out lad, wind your neck in and fuck off back to Xitter.
>>537435641Jealous of all my accolades throughout my wizardry across the internet for the past 30 years.
>>537412287It's all fake bullshit. Humans have never been to the moon and we have been very deep underwater of the ocean. I'm convinced China isn't even a real country just made up to keep us scared.
>>537434579>Other people make it work just fine. OceanGate failed because of poor design and construction. You are simply wrong here.Who? And for how many dives at what depths?It's not a suitable material. >Lifespan limits due to material fatigue are common. Carbon fiber isn't special in this regard. OceanGate was just poorly designed and built.A lifespan of 23 and a half dives isn't cost effective. Even if you increased that lifespan by 10 it wouldn't be cost effective. >Right. People do it all the time nonetheless. It works just fine. It could have been done for OceanGate but it wasn't.Because it can't. There's not a market for it, so there's no money to do those things. >In that particular submarine. You don't need to include a titanium ring with a glue joint just because you use carbon fiber for a pressure hull. You're going to need something to mount the door to. That something will likely be some type of metal that can handle salt water exposure. That narrows the field substantially. >6km for things you can just buy as a stock item, much deeper than OceanGate ever went.Where can I buy this stock item?>It really isn't. They were used for mass passenger service for decades.Yeah, with a very high failure rate. Even low speed crashes were dangerous as any escaping hydrogen would quickly cause an inferno killing everyone on board. >Again, this is exactly the sort of thing regular aircraft are subject to. But they work because they were designed and built properly.It's nowhere close, an airframe might see 8 to 9 psi of differential pressure. The titan sub is seeing 5,600 psi. >composites are in general more expensive than metals.That just makes it worse since that is the component that will have to be replaced first. >You know that engineering is a thing, right? Do you have any idea what engineers do?Do you think engineers are risk averse than the general public?
>>537412287>they witnessed several seconds of pure horrorI thought it was basically instant decompression death from what people were saying when it happened.
>>537422250>Deep sea life has adaptations that stabilize their proteins at high pressures. So ive been working on that myself on the weekends. Im pretty good at it now
