>>537416685Not a good idea. With no supernatural consequence to fear, people will become monsters. Religion is unironically needed to prevent the collapse of society, and I say that as an atheist myself.
I hope they are not conflating actual atheists with anti-theists. Because anti-theists are absolute retards.
>>537416685>Atheism
There's no god to set the rules of the divine even, that's why people are persecuted by spooks.schizophrenia is just evidence of god not being real.
>>537416685More like "why do non-theist retards consider themselves more intelligent than everyone else?"
>>537416897so you're saying there's a bunch of would be murderers running around faking being christians?
>>537416685If you simply teach biology, then the kids who understand it will come to be atheists. The problem is that most kids (especially brown/black ones) are too retarded to understand it. So it doesn't really matter, in the end.>>537416897This is a stupid concept. Religious people do horrible bullshit all the time, they justify it in xyz ways. Many times, they think "God" agrees with them. Whether or not you're a piece of shit has nothing to do with religion. Otherwise there wouldn't be Christians in Central America mutilating each other on a daily basis.
>>537416685Because believing in no God or higher power is retarded, but even more retarded is believing that higher power is an Evil Desert God with schizo prophets, rules for slaves, child abuse and genital mutilation.
>>537417472so why did your god, the true god, make niggers?
>>537417376Your post but replace religion with secularism. It’s a moral dialectic you retard. Man is inherently flawed which is why no matter which concept you root for, man is the overlapping variable that is the source of the issue. Atheists disingenuously blame a concept that doesn’t exist in their worldview while reacting to an institution they axiomatically infer isn’t actually functioning from a ‘God exists’ standpoint. So I can argue that neither institutions actually believe what they espouse because it completely contradicts their ontology. Even metacognition when aware of this doesn’t excuse the fact that no matter where you go in the dialectic, man is reacting to guilt in some form and attempting to process it. Whether you externalize it or internalize it, it’s irrelevant.
>>537417472idk mate not a whole lot about reality points to a benevolent godat best it's a cold, calculating being that doesn't really give a shit
>>537417153Whaaa the fuck is that dog what did we do to the wolf genes
>>537416685Correlation != Causation
>>537416685>We have investigated ourselves and found that we are actually way more intelligent than Christians>We are also very moral despite bigot Christians claiming otherwise due to our support for every form of sexual degeneracy
>>537417376>Otherwise there wouldn't be Christians in Central America mutilating each other on a daily basis.Those aren't Christians, they're Mexicans. And say something bad about Islam next time, you fucking pussy.
>>537417610God doesn't exist and all religions are false. That is a fact. You can cope however you like, come up with justifications for believing a lie, etc. Yet the statement will remain objectively true.
>>537416685Atheism IS mandatory in schools and has been for decades.>Space>Evolution>Miscegenation>Women's 'rights'>EmasculationTired of being Wrong?BE RIGHT!!!On the Right, we believe in: * God (not Allah or G-d), who's Son, Jesus Christ, was born of a virgin, lived, died on the cross for the sins of MAN, was buried, and rose again the third day as prophesied.* The Bible defines ‘antichrist’ as the denial that Jesus is God come in the flesh. Judeo was made to be anti-Christian.* Creation, micro, not macro evolution.* Space is fake and ayys are gays.* Manchildren should grow up. Suffering would help.* Women have no rights. They only have privileges given by simps. Women should never be allowed in the military, police, any position of authority, nor the voting booth.* Sodomy should be recriminalized.* Sodomites should be publicly executed for attempting to seduce children.* The 59% should catch up to the 41%.* Usury, the prime source of Jewish power, is evil.* Race mixing is genocide. It is an attempt to destroy both races. Miscegenation should also be recriminalized. Mixing at a personal, community, or national level only leads to trouble.Please stop letting centerist ‘conservatives’ pretend to be us. They are ideological transvestites.
>>537417745Meanwhile, the Christian:>I jerked off all day, but it's okay because I told my priest and he said Jesus and St. Nigerius the Black forgive me.Retards gonna retard. Has nothing to do with anything.>>537417855Mexicans are overwhelmingly Christian, which supports my point.>say something bad about IslamI actively dislike Islam, as opposed to Christianity. You may notice I didn't say anything disparaging about Christianity, I simply said it was untrue. Stop getting assmad.
>>537417728True you also missed the most important part just like > A jack of all trades is a master of noneBut actually should end with often times better than a master of one>correlation does not equal causationbut correlation is a prerequisite for causation. You cannot have causation without correlation
point out that it's because athiests tend to be european and you'll see their mental gymnastics routine hit olympic levels
>>537417153>>537417376>>537417472>>537417618>>537417866Jesus rose from the dead, and that's a proven historical fact.Christianity is the true and correct religion.We will continue to spread it, and there's nothing you can do to stop it.Christianity is true.God is real.Demons are real.Hell is real.Heaven is real.Jesus is Lord.https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writings/scholarly-writingshttps://laurazpowell.org/blog/just-the-facts-maam-the-minimal-facts-argument-for-the-resurrection-of-jesus>The best explanation for the facts agreed upon by virtually every scholar of every religious persuasion and worldview who has studied the evidence is that Jesus actually rose from the dead. If someone wants to dispute this, they must deal with the evidence, including the criteria for historical reliability, and offer some reason why this explanation falls short or provide a better explanation for the facts.https://youtube.com/watch?v=12syh8dPOtohttps://youtube.com/watch?v=JzklRPDfAj0https://capturingchristianity.com/fact-fiction-resurrection-jesus-comprehensive-case/https://crossexamined.org/the-minimal-facts-of-the-resurrection/
>>537417376>Christians don't understand biology (evolution)This is all atheists have to say whenever the magical theory of molecule to man evolution gets Btfo by statistical probability. >You are a nazi!>You are a bigot!>You want to kill trans people!>You don't understand science!Parroting slogans and lobing baseless accusations at people is not a valid argument against what has been stated. Atheists have no answers for the many arguments that Christians in the scientific community have made over the years.
>>537418145Epicurus never said that lolAtheists are so stupid and gullible
>>537417376Typical atheist liar.Biology was created by Christians.
>>537418191>well, crucifixion totally existed, and then there's all this stuff in the bible and christianity, so together, it's proven historical fact>literally using the hallucination (((Saul))) had as "evidence"
>>537418326Yes, the bodily resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth is a proven historical fact, vindicating his claim to divinity and power over death.
>>537418145Atheists have no standard of what "evil" is, to appeal to, absent the very God that they deny.
>>537418082>Automatically defaults to strawmanning
>>537418321>Biology was created by Christians.Never said it wasn't. You people are unbelievably stupid.>>537418494Neither do the religious. Atheists and religious people are exactly alike in this regard, it's just that religious people try to appeal to their imaginary friend who conveniently agrees with whatever they believe is "evil".>>537418764So you're denying that confession exists and it's all a "strawman"? Someone better tell those 1.5 billion Christians who believe in it, then.
>>537416685Only retarded shitskins are dumb enough to believe in skydaddy
>>537417376>>537418918Wrong.www.hoover.org/research/religious-faith-and-charitable-giving >Religious Faith and Charitable Giving >The differences in charity between secular and religious people are dramatic. Religious people are 25 percentage points more likely than secularists to donate money (91 percent to 66 percent) and 23 points more likely to volunteer time (67 percent to 44 percent)... For example, among those who attend worship services regularly, 92 percent of Protestants give charitably, compared with 91 percent of Catholics, 91 percent of Jews, and 89 percent from other religions. www.philanthropyroundtable.org/philanthropy-magazine/less-god-less-giving >Less God, Less Giving: Religion and generosity feed each other in fascinating ways >In study after study, religious practice is the behavioral variable with the strongest and most consistent association with generous giving. And people with religious motivations don’t give just to faith-based causes—they are also much likelier to give to secular causes than the nonreligious. givingusa.org/just-released-giving-usa-special-report-on-giving-to-religion/ >Giving USA Special Report on Giving to Religion >People who are religiously affiliated are more likely to make a charitable donation of any kind, whether to a religious congregation or to another type of charitable organization. Sixty-two percent of religious households give to charity of any kind, compared with 46 percent of households with no religious affiliation. >Religiously affiliated households give as much or more to other types of charities as non-religiously affiliated households do.
>>537417376>>537418918 www.pewforum.org/2019/01/31/religions-relationship-to-happiness-civic-engagement-and-health-around-the-world/ >Religion’s Relationship to Happiness, Civic Engagement and Health Around the World >People who are active in religious congregations tend to be happier and more civically engaged than either religiously unaffiliated adults or inactive members of religious groups, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of survey data from the United States and more than two dozen other countries. >This analysis finds that in the U.S. and many other countries around the world, regular participation in a religious community clearly is linked with higher levels of happiness and civic engagement (specifically, voting in elections and joining community groups or other voluntary organizations).
>>537419004>God is real because I donated to a charity.Damn. Well, I'm sold. Pack it up guys, God is real.
>>537418959Atheists have daddy issues.>In his 1999 book Faith of the Fatherless: The Psychology of Atheism, psychologist Paul Vitz proposes another likely effect of the loss of the father on children: a distance from and doubt of God, which leads in many cases to profound atheism.>Taking up the insight that a child’s “psychological representation of his father is intimately connected to his understanding of God,” Vitz proposes to test a “defective father” hypothesis, in which an “atheist’s disappointment in and resentment of his own father unconsciously justifies his rejection of God” (p. 16). His method is a historical survey of the biographies of prominent atheists and theists, particularly major figures in the development of modern atheism and their interlocutors on the side of faith.>In the column of founders and major proponents of modern atheism, Vitz addresses nineteen cases, from Voltaire, Thomas Hobbes, and David Hume, to Nietzsche, Bertrand Russell, Jean-Paul Sartre, Joseph Stalin, and Sigmund Freud himself. In each case, the “defective father” hypothesis holds to some degree. Each of these men experienced a rift in his relationship with his father: whether the early death of his father, or abuse, neglect or abandonment at his hands, or an unattractive weakness or overbearing character in his father, which led to a personal break and rejection of the father’s values. In a few cases, these men themselves draw a parallel between the absence of their fathers and the absence of God.
>>537419062You claimed >Atheists and religious people are exactly alike in this regardI debunked that.
>>537417376>>537418918https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(11)62799-7/fulltext Most studies have shown that religious involvement and spirituality are associated with better health outcomes, including greater longevity, coping skills, and health-related quality of life (even during terminal illness) and less anxiety, depression, and suicide.
>>537417376>>537418918 www.forbes.com/sites/nicolefisher/2019/03/29/science-says-religion-is-good-for-your-health/#445372e43a12 >Science Says: Religion Is Good For Your Health >There is ample reason to believe that faith in a higher power is associated with health, and in a positive way. For example, researchers at the Mayo Clinic concluded, “Most studies have shown that religious involvement and spirituality are associated with better health outcomes, including greater longevity, coping skills, and health-related quality of life (even during terminal illness) and less anxiety, depression, and suicide. Several studies have shown that addressing the spiritual needs of the patient may enhance recovery from illness. >That said, the lack of knowledge linking religious behaviors and health is fascinating given that health care is deeply rooted in religious institutions, and vice versa. In fact, it was religious organizations that built many of the first hospitals, and clergy (supplementing low church wages) were often practicing physicians and medical providers. >80% of research on spirituality/religiousness and health focuses on mental health. This is because most associations with faith are related to how one thinks about the world and their role in it. Words that are often associated with religious beliefs include connectedness, hope, optimism, trust and purpose. All of which have been shown to boost mental health. Compassion, forgiveness and gratefulness are also qualities that are strongly associated with individuals who are spiritual and religious. Practicing these qualities is thought to be associated with deceased stress and increased resiliency.
I have one simple little table to BTFO the entirety of the seething retards ITT
>>537417376>>537418918researcherslinks.com/current-issues/The-Wager-Renewed-Believing-in-God-is-Good-for-You/9/5/42/html >The Wager Renewed: Believing in God is Good for You >For example, consider the conclusion of a meta-analysis published by panelists for the National Institute of Healthcare Research: >The vast majority of studies report that religion has salubrious effects on health. Indeed, beyond case-reports and samples of fewer than 10 people, we have found no evidence that religion can harm health in representative samples of community residents or in systematically sampled clinical populations….We believe that the state of the evidence probably reflects reality…the dominant pattern is one in which religious involvement either has no effect or has positive effects on health. (George et al. 2000, 110).
>>537418918>Please engage with my strawman, saar. I'm not following your scripted path, retard. Either come up with an actual argument or choose another subversive tactic from your list.
>>537416685Atheism is for closed-minded faggots and all atheist opinions should be discarded like that of a memeflag. Shrimple as. Just be an agnostic or fucking kill yourself nigger.
>>537419062Yes, God is real.https://archive.org/details/edward-feser-five-proofs-of-the-existence-of-god
It already is. Tons of schools teach>900 genders>men can get pregnant>take 40 vax shots for a non-lethal fluThat's modern atheism
>>537419062>God is realCorrect.https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/book/10.1002/9781444308334>The Leibnizian Cosmological Argument>The Kalam Cosmological Argument>The Teleological Argument: An Exploration of the Fine-Tuning of the Universe>The Argument from Consciousness>The Argument from Reason>The Moral Argument>The Argument from Evil>The Argument from Religious Experience>The Ontological Argument>The Argument from Miracles: A Cumulative Case for the Resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth
>>537416685Mandatory atheism is just another form of religious oppression. Become what you hate much?
>>537419257>>537419272>>537419451>>537419547T. >>537419195
God just flew over my house!
>>537419626>tied with cape verdelmao germcucks are such pussies
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>>537417339Yes. They tell us this whenever they "debate" people like aron ra
>>537416685Look up what the smartest man in the world has to say about religion.
>>537416685Christianity in particular is a PsyOp, which is why it's spammed so hard on /pol/ to reinforce the psychological and emotional control and manipulation
>>537416685It's a misrepresentation of the data without controlling for other factors.Atheism is more prevalent in urban/cosmopolitan areas. Most people in the cosmopolitan area are within the average range with a subset of the urban population being somewhat above average. The suburban to rural populations tend to be more religious overall. Farmers, trade workers, small business owners, etc. People who have lower education.Now one might say "Intelligence correlates to education levels"And this is not true, especially in the modern world where higher education has become an indoctrination center for urbane retards.However.The most intelligent people throughout all of human history have been theistic to some degree. Deists, Gnostics, Pagans, Hermetics, etc etc etc.On the IQ bell curve, atheists will naturally occupy slightly right of center. Smart enough to question things, but not smart enough to ask the right questions, not smart enough to answer those questions.Christians will of course occupy mostly the left side of the bell curve. Lower IQ. But the far right of the IQ curve is full of religious/spiritual people.
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>>537419547It’s not oppression it’s reason and common sense, China does it and the Chinese are ok with it.
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>>537419907The man with the highest IQ ever recorded says his life belongs to Jesus.
>>537417745it just keeps happening
>>537420078Who gives a fuck what bug people do, shut the fuck up.
>>537419066Sad that it's true. Atheist need to know they are loved. >>537419907>atheist thread>1st response is to attack ChristiansWhy are atheists trained like this?
>>537416685> Why are Atheists generally smarter? Race, the answer is always race.
>>537419744There is no one more spitefully retarded than the western liberal atheist. You people aggressively misunderstand every idea that you do not want to be true. You destroy definitions and meaning so that no ground can be made by the person/people you are talking to. You people are the ones reacting with violence against people who are trying to bridge ideological gaps using reason and logic. You people are the ones calling for violence against those that you hate. The truth has always been that you people are liars who accuse people of everything that you are guilty of because that is one of the tactics from your communist playbook.
>>537419732Feminists and Christians both use the "neckbeard" assault which basically boils down to "you have short, fat, ugly men on your side, therefore you've lost the argument" essentially trying to paint their opposition as incels. Let's not pretend that no Feminist male or Christian male has ever been short, fat, wore a fedora, or had acne. The difference is that our arguments don't rely on virgin-shaming our opponents but actually deconstructing the contents of their arguments, framing a response, and then debunk them. Sometimes I think that Christianity on this board is a psyop by the Mossad because an Atheistic right-wing movement can truly challenge Jewish cultural supremacy in a way that a Christian right or a Judeophile Atheistic left can't. Much like how Islamists terrorise Syria and Iraq but seem to leave Israel alone, Christians don't really challenge Jewish power, they actively defend it because they cannot attack enablers on their own side.
>>537418267>Epicurus never said that lol>Atheists are so stupid and gullibleYeah, wasn't it Celsus who supposedly said it? And he got btfo by Origen
>>537419907>>537420109Case in point.
>>537416897This isn't true at all. Reciprocation and reputation are the very basis for morality. Fucking with others raises the likelihood of them fucking you up.
what's the view of atheism about LGBTQIA+?
>>537418191>minimal facts approachlmao>Jesus dies by Roman crucifixionWe know they crucified people, but any claims to have the medical records of Jesus are pure fantasy>After his death, his disciples had experiences that they believed were appearances of the risen JesusThis isn't evidence.>asserted unanimously in the gospelsAlso not evidence. Besides, the gospels were curated>TransformationSo they held their ground after their main guy was martyred. Not evidence by any means>Early ProclamationNot evidence. The whole point of martyrdom is that the message outlives the man. No shit they'd frame it as a resurrection, since they still carried his message. Not evidence in the slightest>James' Conversion>Paul's ConversonSame as my previous statement.I can see why they named this the "minimal facts approach" given that there is nothing of substance here.>The empty tombHis body being missing also isn't evidence of a resurrection. Even this fact was uncontested, it still wouldn't hold any weight.
>ideology where adults convince themselves they're super special high IQ for not believing in Santa Beyond cringe.
>>537416685OP is a retard with dunning kruger effect
Same exact fucking threads every goddamn week.
>>537418479>events more likely if its sources are: eyewitness, firsthandThis isn't even true if it happened today. We can't even reliably use witnesses to identify who beat the shit out of them in criminal cases. And it's been 2000 years. Literally nobody has firsthand experience of this dude walking out of the grave. Do you know how much embellishment occurs in a story that's passed down for thousands of years?
>>537419257I don't suppose you have any idea of the cause, source, purpose, or meaning of God, do you?
>>537416685Atheists are retarded, simple as.
>>537424017Generally benign mutations of sex and sexuality. They're a boon to the species since they aren't producing offspring, but still labor for society, much like worker bees to a hive.
>>537416685HOURLY REMINDER: there is no god, jesus never existed and when you die it will be nothingness for eternity!
>>537417014I hope you're not inverting meanings like every one of your kind does. Would be a shame if you didn't know what words mean.
>>537416897How's that working out for us currently?How about a compromise - we end judaism and then just pause for a bit and see how the other religions get along afterwards?
>>537424910We all know that as soon as that happens, some other group is gonna pick up the torch and claim to be the original jews.
>>537416685You are a Satanist. Satanists pretend to be atheists.
>>537425032It's never been tried, we don't know that. But it's a hypothesis that deserves testing.
>>537424814Hourly reminder this faggot sucks cocks for a living and his dad rapes him every night while he sleeps
Secularism has failed Europe and the west.You don’t like to hear it, but Christianity is true, and abandoning it has less to a follow and desolate society.
>>537426026*has lead to a hollow and desolate societyThe fruits of secularism speak for themselvesOnly Christ can save you, nobody else, no leader or politician is going to save you
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>>537426077>The fruits of secularism speak for themselvesAll of the most propsperous countries in the world have secular governments, and all of the biggest shitholes are theocracies.
Jesus is God
>>537426077>>537426204
>>537426026>Secularism has failed Europe and the west.How? You keep saying this and don't provide any actual evidence or metric besides "muh birthrate", which checks out, because extremely poor religious populations with no maternal healthcare have more children than rich populations with strong maternal healthcare.
>>537416897But Christianity doesn't prevent people from killing, it simply absolves them after it's already done. Most people in prison are religious. Atheists are smarter on average, which mean atheists are less likely to commit crime.
>>537416897>With no supernatural consequence to fear, people will become monsters.Christians are already often monsters, and constantly use their faith as a justification for behaving monsters, so your hypothesis falls apart pretty quickly.
>>537418145Here>>537418494no OBJECTIVE evil standard. Unless one, one's self, is the God, which isn't true, because the bible doesn't say anything like that, and God wouldn't try to set you up. He's not a woman, after all. According to wordly wisdom, there's nothing that rules out solipsism, though. It's consistent with the physics, as wigner pointed out. And the argument is above philosophy. Meta/beyond physical, and unanswerable, without having ready access, to all of the variables. Though, I have actually elaborated a logically consistent, objective way out of solipsism. "Proved" it, logically, informally, to be not the case, or incorrect. Otherwise, it's just an assertion. Proving other minds. Christianity solves other minds, as well. Other minds aren't mentioned in the bible. Solves not having to be the messiah yourself, as well, which is another high level problem. And this leads many highly intelligent people astray, as well as lowly intelligent, individuals. They start talking about the I am God shit. And the chosen one/messiah complex, which is tedious. Ends up being at least necessarily douopolistic. At least two entities, one of which having info not readily available to the observer. One could call it God. I don't, because I am a Christian. I don't need to defeat solipsism, though, because I believe in the KJV, and it doesn't say any thing about solipsism. Says there's other people/minds. And, even the second person of the God head was made like unto flesh>"Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devilAnd that's why you don't have to be the messiah. Nobody does. And you don't WANT to be, because it's not an enviable task. To be the sin offering. And, this is why we must glorify Him (the Lord Jesus Christ). One of the innumerable reasons. Also, because he "first loved us".
>>537426077>hollow and desolateIs it really? I've been having the time of my life. Got a comfy job, have hot water showers any day I wish, can afford 3 meaty meals a day if I wish, always have clean socks, friends to hang out with, and endless entertainment for when I feel like a hermit. I am genuinely in paradise in one of the most secular regions on the planet.
>>537418494>Atheists have no standard of what "evil" isConsistent values are seen across secularism. It's not that hard to optimize for human well-being. We have data to measure such things.In fact, the main thing holding human well-being back are people who appeal to supernatural moral standards that have no material connection to human well-being.
>>537416685We need to teach noahs ark to children because they arent knowledgeable enough to know how dumb it is
>>537418494Evil is subjective, but we can all agree that anti-social behaviors (violence, theft, wanton destruction) would fall under the umbrella of evil
>>537418494I'll ever so gently remind you that human morality begat religion, not the other way around :)
>>537429582>Brigham YoungI don't know why anyone is surprised he fucked kids. It's right there in his name
>>537429759>I'll ever so gently remind you that human morality begat religionThis. Religion and law are just different ways humans have attempted to incentivize ethical behavior in large populations.Even without these things, most people don't do evil. The evil among us are the traumatized, the narcissistic, the cruel, etc. They don't care about the rules, unless under duress, which is why law and religion have been useful throughout history.
>>537416685jews fear the inner swastika
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>>537430998Kek
>>537416897People who are already monsters will just use the skyspook as a rationalization for their misdeeds.Numbers 31:17-18Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by sleeping with him. But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves.
>>537418191>Christianity is true.>God is real.>Demons are real.>Hell is real.>Heaven is real.>Jesus is Lord.
>>537418764>Literally believes in a strawman in the sky
>>537417199Personally, it's because I don't give all my money to some con artist who pretends to speak in tongues.
>>537431915I dunno, man. This guy seems legit
>>537416685>Must be teaching atheism like a religionYou succesfully missed the point retard.
This universe is fucking horrible. Damn near every living thing is attempting to eat and consume, while still alive, every other living thing. A mother suffers while her newborn child gets slowly, painfully devoured right in front of her. Over, and over, and over, to the quantity of billions of times...trillions.....more....And in all of this, I have never witnessed a miracle, never saw anything that could not be rationally explained.And from what I can tell of the scales of this universes cosmic justice, goodness, kindness, honesty, are rare things overwhelmed by the sheer enormity of the horror dwarfing and drowning them out. If there is a god, then it not only tolerates the worst suffering imaginable upon its creation, it seems completely indifferent to suffering of its creation. Then what the fuck would you even say it is that you do around here?You hit the power button and that is all? Randomly throw out a few miracles every few thousand years and then disappear? For me the worst thing to comprehend and come to terms with, is that without a god, then greed is good.Without a creator and an afterlife, judgement, then none of this matters.Killing, rape, torture, theft, in a universe without any type of God, they are all good things. They bring you maximum pleasure in this very limited amount of time that we have. And my greatest concern and worry is that the leaders in our world government, the rich and powerful, the insiders and deep state, they know this by now. They know there is no god, no judgement, no afterlife, no cosmic justice. And are using it as a tool to enslave, exploit, rob, rape and torture at their leisure. Because why not? What difference does it make?In a universe without a god nothing matters at all. Just how much you can take for yourself.Amen.
Reminder.>If Edom says, “We are shattered but we will rebuild the ruins,” the LORD of hosts says, “They may build, but I will tear down, and they will be called ‘the wicked country,’ and ‘the people with whom the LORD is angry forever.’”
>>537432135TRVKE
someone post the screencap explaining how atheism is lowkey satanism in disguise and a classic plot of the yidsim tired of these shitty baitthreads and nufags falling for them honestly
>>537432645>atheism is lowkey satanismUhh... Based?
>>537416685Atheism is jewish demon worship
>>537432645If you are tired, it only means that they do some damage. Personally I enjoy knowing that all anti-christ and atheists are all garbage loser.
>>537432853Best book to argue against followers of Abraham's gerd. Their own holy book.Numbers 31:17-18Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by sleeping with him. But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves.Numbers 15:32-36New International VersionThe Sabbath-Breaker Put to Death32 While the Israelites were in the wilderness, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, 34 and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. 35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp.” 36 So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the Lord commanded Moses.Deuteronomy 21:18-21King James Version18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
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>>537433011Cry and seethe. >I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
No.
>>537416685Ultra atheists and ultra religious are both fucking stupid. The truth is the middle path.
>>537433170I don't see what the problem is
>>537433062Gerd:Isaiah 45:7King James Version7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.Also Gerd:Wait no, evil was Satan which I also created.This is the faggot shit you believe in and you expect anyone that has more than a few brain cells to take you seriously.
>>537433179What is Truthful about your middle path?>Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.
>>537433285The strong is good, and the weak is evil. Your definition of Good and Evil is garbage.
>>537433305>What is Truthful about your middle path?People who still believe in the tooth fairy are in no position to be asking that.
>>537424814>HOURLY REMINDERThis used to be true. Now you only do it once a month.
>>537433448I have seen a literal God that can predict the future with 100% precision. It's not a fairy tale. You will die and go to Hell.
>>537433305Matthew is not the Lord.
>>537433495>You will die and go to Hell.Does it make your peepee hard to think I will go to hell? Do you jack off at the mere thought?
>>537432837Christians literally worship a Jew.
>>537433568It does give me a peace of mind. Knowing that I don't have to deal with your retardation forever.
>>537433568This has gotta be the most disrespectful wojak to respond to people with. This would honestly kill me if someone called me out using this as their image unironically.
>>537416685Agnostics are above both. The liklihood of there being more layers to this niggerverse is not objectively calcuable. All you have to do is admit that then you are free, because it is the truth, and the truth sets you free.
>>537433577Christians are burgers, confirmed.
>>537432135Yeah, the "muh perfect universe" idea is funny when humanity can't even live on most of the Earth's surface, let alone anywhere else in the universe.>oh thank you dear lord our God for creating Venus so perfectly that we can't even put a lander on the surface without it vaporizing in 20 minutes>Amen
>>537433400>Your definition of Good and Evil is garbage.Whose? You don't have a dog in this fight. You get your morality from the voices trying to convince a madman to kill his second born son in their name and who allegedly makes wagers with their own creation of evil incarnate to truly make sure the faithful believe by doing the equivalent of nailing them to a plank like the human incarnate version of himself, jesus.
>>537433771Agnostics are coward. But at least, they are honest about not knowing.
>>537433771>Agnostics are above both.This is the coward's position posited by people who don't know what "atheist" or "agnostic" mean. Agnosticism pertains to a knowledge axis, not a belief axis. You can be an agnostic atheist, or an agnostic theist.99% of people who say they are agnostic are just atheists who can't handle the social dynamic of admitting they are.
>>537433885I don't care about Morality. Strength is Justice, and Weakness is a Sin.
>>537416685majority of secular atheism is just rebranded slave morality. i dont think we can abandon god yet until we fix this. the most obvious example is the modern conscription of men
>>537433179>Ultra atheistsSo weak willed you serve mass appeasement instead of what's true bring age of the rake there's a reason popularity is a fallacy
>>537434051>majority of secular atheism is just rebranded slave morality.Can you walk me through the mental gymnastics you did to get there?
>>537434051>the majority of people who like blue are left handedYou sure are fucking stupid
>>537433974>I don't care about Morality. Strength is Justice, and Weakness is a Sin.So you have the same morality as a rapist despite being religious? KEK I guess gerd says that rape is okay sometimes so it isn't inconsistent.
>>537434092>Can you walk me through the mental gymnastics you did to get there?Ditto, except I ask why they think God exists and furthermore why their desert demon foreskin slurping one is the only correct one.
>>537434159Why do you think they are Evil? I see Genghis Khan as Good.
>>537434069The cuck Australlia who chants goofy songs in their parliament is bullying me :(
>>537418191It's that crazy Bulgarian>>537418191
>>537434092>>537434157majority of western values come from christian values and many atheists hold onto them. keeping slave morality without god leads to nihilism or the state becomes the religion.
>>537434292It's a function of ego. They can't tolerate cognitive open endedness, and need "closure" to maintain their sense of self. The idea that we might not be significant enough to continue after dying triggers their survival instincts, which makes it easy for them to subconsciously believe any retarded narrative that conveniently gives them an alternative option.They're cowards, basically.
>>537434562>majority of western values come from christian valuesSource?
>>537434335>man that would torture me by impaling me in the ass until the spear came out of my mouth is le gudYou are a fucking idiot.
>>537434617I can assure you. I am willing to fight to the death with you just to prove that I am the chosen ONE of God Almighty.
>>537434562>>537418321Christcucks are typical liars. Science came from a schism against religion. In fact science and religion had been at odds against each other since several hundreds of years ago. Religious practices goes against the scientific method, and scientists back then pretended to be part of a religious group when in reality they just wanted to understand psychology and other non-local phenomena such as consciousness, while also not getting the ire of the church who would then kill them for heresy.
>>537434664>Kill everyone on earth>no one left to judge meYeah. So what? Might makes Right.Bitch.
>>537434617>It's a function of ego. They can't tolerate cognitive open endedness, and need "closure" to maintain their sense of self. The idea that we might not be significant enough to continue after dying triggers their survival instincts, which makes it easy for them to subconsciously believe any retarded narrative that conveniently gives them an alternative option.>They're cowards, basically.This. They can't handle the evolved cognitive load of existential dread so they have to intentionally dumb themselves down with stupid bullshit that serves as a placeholder for things that we don't know yet or have no hopes of ever possibly knowing until we're dead and gone. I guess it's like a beaver gnawing on wood to wear down its teeth. The idea that there are things we simply do not know frightens and confuses the god fearing shithead.
>>537434898You are an idiot with mutilated penis.
>>537433285Don't know about playing good cop bad cop and Satan needing God's permission to harm Job. Put 2 and 2 together and everything makes sense. The story about Satan deciding he would rather rule in Hell than server in Heaven is retconned centuries after the Bible was written. Alluded to but directly stated clearly. It is an allegory for normal fags to warn them about spiteful mutants.
>>537421910Case and point what? Rebuke me
>>537434643Hospitals, orphanages, organized charity, poor relief, and many early universities in the West were founded by Christians, and ideas like the equal worth of all people and caring for the weak were strongly shaped by Christian teachings. Dominion by Tom Holland is a good source, but if you wanna explore ideas about this relating to slave morality read Nietzsche A Will To Power and Thus Spoke Zarathustra.
>>537434856>Yeah. So what? Might makes Right.>Bitch.I'm sorry to break it to you, buddy ole pal, you aren't Ivan The Terrible, you are not Vlad The Impaler, you aren't even Ghengis Khan or a Mexican cartel boss, you are the little faggot they feed to their pet tiger so it can chew on your little nuts. Might is right is a fine philosophy until you are the one getting boned in the asshole.
>>537433568Yes. Yes I do>>537433763It gets worse
>>537435129I am the King of Heaven and Earh, and the Lord of all creation. The Apex of all. The greatest and the best. There is no one in this entire world more poeerful than Me.
>>537435051Lol no, those came from white western countries. Brown and black countries that were Christian never developed those systems at all. And most of western philosophy came from Greek and other pagan traditions, not Christianity. Go read books from Dante, even the church tried to claim him when his philosophical additions that became pillars of western morality never came from the christianity, but from western paganism. You would be mercilessly gouging the eyes and cutting off the hands of "sinners" without western traditions and if the basis for morality was christianity, i.e. christianity is barbarism.
>>537435051>Dominion by Tom Holland is a good source,I meant like data, or a historical primary source.Dominion intentionally overlooks swaths of contributions from secular institutions, and downplays the massive, cross-cultural ethical contributions of non-Christian frameworks (such as Buddhism or Stoicism) that championed compassion and universal equality prior to or independently from Paul.
>>537435296This is the real history of the wolrd. Where is your race in this?https://youtu.be/-6Wu0Q7x5D0
>>537435197>I am the King of Heaven and Earh, and the Lord of all creation. The Apex of all. The greatest and the best. There is no one in this entire world more poeerful than Me.Meds. Now.
>>537435461That'a just who I am. God created the world just for Me. That's why none of you people are allowed to be smarter than Me.
>>537434856>Might makes Right.True... But, if the wrong guys have the might, the "right" can end up being very wrong for those without it.
>>537435519>God created the world just for Me.>gets ass cancer and drownsWow, you are right, he raeli did create the werld just for you! You are the chosen! You are the alphaomega! The AnunACK!
>>537435675I am the eternal lover of God.
>>537435617Hell is for my enemy. Yes.
>>537435617"Might makes right" ideologies are just weaponized projection. Once they kill all the jews and the browns, you know for a fact they will start dividing up the whites amongst themselves and finding a new boogeyman. These people are never happy. Always yearning. And it's always someone else to blame.
>>537434898>they have to intentionally dumb themselves down with stupid bullshit that serves as a placeholder for things that we don't know yet or have no hopes of ever possibly knowing"unknowability" would still be an epistemically apprehensible aspect of whatever you're referring to here.you can't really delete a metaphysically ultimate mind from a worldview without also deleting any possibility of truth, knowledge or invariance.
>>537435617>True... But, if the wrong guys have the might, the "right" can end up being very wrong for those without it.No problem, idiot thinks he will always be the predator and never the prey because anime and god are on his side.
>>537417376You pussy faggots only attack Christians because of how tolerant they are. Say something about Islam. Say something about Judaism. I fucking dare you.
>>537435887
>>537435795>"Might makes right" ideologies are just weaponized projection. Once they kill all the jews and the browns, you know for a fact they will start dividing up the whites amongst themselves and finding a new boogeyman. These people are never happy. Always yearning. And it's always someone else to blame.The thoughtform yearns for more bloodshed and torture. It dies when the goal is achieved, so the idea is to never raeli get there to keep the persecution complex going.
>>537435296Christianity started as a brown religion, it was brown for centuries. It was also heavily influenced by Hellenic greeks. Medieval Christian thinkers routinely incorporated Greek philosophy into a Christian framework. Christians can also be barbaric. >>537435335A primary source isn't going to say 'Christianity created Western values' its that's a historical conclusion drawn from many primary sources, and I think you know that. its not a secret Christianity founded the institutions of hospitals, orphanages, organized charity, poor relief, and many early universities in Europe. Look at University of Bologna, University of Paris, and University of Oxford and the Basilias in Turkey. Also Stoics believed in a common humanity, but they generally accepted slavery, rigid social hierarchy, and didn't create large scale charitable institutions.
>>537435887>Say something about Islam.The big 3 gateway anime have been a disaster for mankind. Mo Ham Mad (peepee be upon him) is jewish and christian adjacent so it hardly makes a difference whose space daddy I am shitting on if they are roughly the same desert demon.
>>537436006>The thoughtform yearns for more bloodshed and torture.They also yearn for their childhoods, which is why nostalgia is such effective propaganda. Every fascist movement is propelled by a vague plan to bring things "back" to an era that never genuinely existed. Every single one.
>>537436193>but they generally accepted slaveryWait til you hear about historical Christian use of slavery lmao.
>>537436193>A primary source isn't going to say 'Christianity created Western values'I didn't ask for a primary source that said that, so we're good. Still waiting, btw.
>>537436312Doesn't refute what I said. You know Christians in the west used Christian arguments to abolished slavery right?>>537436377I gave you them. Do you refute University of Bologna, University of Paris, and University of Oxford, the Basilias in Turkey, and the majority of orphanages and other charitable organizations throughout the West were ran by Christians?
>>537435825>"unknowability" would still be an epistemically apprehensible aspect of whatever you're referring to here.>you can't really delete a metaphysically ultimate mind from a worldview without also deleting any possibility of truth, knowledge or invariance.I agree with you that an ultimate mind is necessary for truth and invariance. But you might make a classic blunder: conflating 'ultimate mind' with 'a personal, intervening, morally perfect deity.' That is a massive, unjustified leap. My brute mystery is the existence of universal consciousness itself. I don't use that consciousness to fill empirical gaps I use it as the ontological bedrock. Your 'God' tries to explain why this specific storm happened or why this prayer was answered. My 'brute mystery' just explains why there is a reality at all. One of us is filling gaps with magic; the other is simply admitting that the foundation of existence is inherently inscrutable. And my foundation consciousness is the one thing you cannot rationally doubt.
>>537416685It makes sense. Retarded people NEED to lick someone’s boots at all times or they cannot mentally function. They lack any basic understanding of morality so they need the imaginary sky daddy to tell them what’s good and what’s bad.
>>537437004>Doesn't refute what I said. You know Christians in the west used Christian arguments to abolished slavery right?Did you wake up on the right side of the bed? Well no matter, because either way the holy book of contradictions has gott you covered. Yes, God's holy inconsistent book gott your back no matter what shitty mood you are in. Feel like raping, murdering and enslaving people? No problem! We gotchu!
>>537437076great response, ChatJeetPT>my foundation consciousness is the one thing you cannot rationally doubt.Cartesian cogito has been thoroughly critiqued for almost 400 yearsconsider switching to a different LLM or the paid version
>>537437538>inconsistentif consistency is an issue for you, as an atheist please explain how reality is invariant and epistemically accessible without recourse to metaphysics>>537437440>what’s good and what’s badif there's no mind beyond the human mind "good" and "bad" are fake, gay meaningless terms. it's all subjective and anyone's definition is as good as any other.
>>537437545>NNNOOO I SNEED TO SNEAK GOD OF THE GAPS THROUGH THE BACKDOORlol, lmao even. Just. Say. You. Don't. Know. Faggot.
>>537437751"I don't know" still presupposes a metareasoning faculty, a mind, AND a coherent unified "self" which your system negates.don't bitch to me about gaps, faggot
I see a complete lack of proof for atheists being able to define atheism.
>>537435887They're all the same shit, different flavor. Judaism is just old test combined with rule autism to the point of pissing off nearly every other society. Islam was started by a highwayman that got booted out of his hometown because he kept pulling his THE END IS NIGH bullshit until everybody got sick of him.
>>537437861>"I don't know" still presupposes a metareasoning faculty, a mind, AND a coherent unified "self" which your system negates.How so? INB4 TROOST ME BRO
>>537416685Atheists are going extinct rapidly so they are clearly not well suited for their environment and being naturally selected against.Newest Canadian census data just released and Athiests/non-religious are in the absolute pits fertility wise, like South Korea tier, meanwhile Christians are having 3 kids per woman on average, which is higher than any other group.
>>537437943most internet atheism is just a collection of ugly dysgenic freaks upset they were forced to enter a church once at 14 for their grandmother's funeral..or actual faggots literally buttmad at God for commanding them to stop shoving dowel rods in their ass.there are almost no philosophically competent atheists.
>>537438058Priests rape kids
>>537437701Morality is decided by the people who survive the longest. If you are a truly good person, you will prevail over others.
>>537438058>most internet atheism is just a collection of ugly dysgenic freaksBro, are you saying this guy is an ugly dysgenic freak?
>>537416685Guarantee you I could beat you in a debate and that you're some young retard who learned their brainwashed views from the general comment section on the internet.PS Charles Darwin, you main hero, is a Christian
>>537438058You're a smug idiot that thinks using big words makes you a philosophical genius. You aren't competent at all. You are just repeating the god of the gaps fallacy ad naseum.
>>537437440I'm sure this is what redditards tell themselves, while cohencidentally ignoring that "sky daddy" still instills good morals on how to act on public, very odd that importing people by the hundreds of thousands who don't adhere to this code has made this continent worse and worse for decades
>>537438131Religious people have their own ugly freaks to be sure, but there are also beautiful people who are religiousI've legitimately never seen an atheist that didn't look some kind of hideous mutant.that fact alone is strong evidence against atheism, even from a naturalistic evolutionary biology standpoint.listening to ugly people is dysgenic and should be avoided generally.
>>537416685I don't think it does mate.
>>537438003>>537438058The abrahamic faiths are becoming more and more in line with secular beliefs over time. Our way of life is too great to pass up. Religion will be forced to adapt in order to retain members. Left and right they make concessions to fit in with secular folk. This is the modern era. Everybody can see for themselves the kind of clown shows religions are made of
>>537438186>"sky daddy" still instills good morals on how to act on public(x) Doubt.Psalm 137:9KJ21Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
>>537437979ignoring the larger question of the ontology of logic...a brain/neurological system generated successively by purely stochastic evolutionary forces has no logical reason to trust its perceptions/generations hold any "truth value" or the existence of any of its generated concepts.the "self" is basically a convenient fiction, an interface for niche survival in a purely evbio view
>>537438244In the 20th century, not in the 21st century where the opposite is true.Atheism is a weak horse that is dying out and secular elite either realizes this or soon will and need to make a difficult choice.In America and Canada I think those that join with the fundamentalist Christians will be the winners long term while in Europe you might see a sort of Pagan revival in these extremely atheist nations alongside christian and muslim fundamentalism.
>>537438244>Our way of life is too great to pass up.lmao everyone's fat, sick, poisoned, drug-addled, gay and childless...not to mention enslavedsecularism barely lasted 70 years and won't last another 70.
>>537438355>MUH AUNTAWLEDGEY OF LOGIC MUH INVARIANCE AND NORMATIVITYHere we go again with this fucking faggot. How about this? It just is. Like perceiving the color red. Of course that won't satisfy dipshits like you because you want to sneak in YAGÜEY in through the backdoor and I'm not letting you. I don't sneed to believe in your dogshit metaphysical theories to perceive the color red and use logic.lol, lmao.>BUT MUH INVARIANCES AND NORMATIVITIES! NNNOOO! I SNEED TO SNEAK IN MY SILLY YAWEH BELIEF SYSTEM SOMEHOW!
>but muh arguments!Who cares, atheism is dead and frankly won’t exist by century’s end.Mass-irreligion is a quirk of 20th century prosperity and nothing more, it is already losing all cultural relevance.In 20 years atheists will just have to pretend to be religious and cope with it.
>>537438355>ignoring the larger question of the ontology of logic...Yes, I will ignore the question of ontology, because I don't sneed to know the trve nature of a fucking hammer in order to use it to hammer down nails you fucking idiot. Get your head out of your fucking ass and touch grass.
>>537438695>How about this? It just is.Ok if we're using drooling retard-tier arguments... I use the same argument you just used for the existence of Godit just is.>I don't sneed to believe in your dogshit metaphysical theoriesoh truth claims and value judgements? nice metaphysics you got therefaggotstay mad
>>537438355>ignoring the larger question of the ontology of logic...Yes.*wins the argument*Wow, such a humiliating defeat, you should probably take a break from 4chins bro.
>>537438846>oh truth claims and value judgements? nice metaphysics you got there>faggot>stay mad>t.
>>537438804ontology of logic is critically important for any discussion on worldviewsthe naturalist atheist either has to somehow account for how logic can be transcendental, invariant, universal and normative without recourse to metaphysics...or admit that logic isn't normative, which nukes any truth claims and any possibility of knowledgesorry you're upset. thinking is hard
>>537438901>I can't define, justify or account for X>but I 100% know Y is false>because of X
>>537438846>I use the same argument you just used for the existence of God>it just is.Nope. Not the same. One is a brute mystery the other is all kinds of extra assumptions like the idea that a being with its own will is responsible. Crazy the mental gymnastics "philosophical geniuses" have to go through in order to avoid simply saying They. Don't. Fucking. Know.
>>537439059You're right. The spaghetti monster is probably rael. I apologize.
>>537438961>the naturalist atheist either has to somehow account for how logic can be transcendental, invariant, universal and normative without recourse to metaphysics...No they don't. They can simply use logic. Did you ever think about that one, or is your head still in the clouds talking to yeway?>BUT MUH ONTOLOGY IS IMPORTANT!That's like... Your opinion, bro.
>>537439122>brute mysterylmao and you were bitching about "muh god of gaps" like 10 minute ago.>I 100% know X is just a brute mystery>how?>by using X of course!I'd use the above to ask how you know it's a brute mystery but.... you seem genuinely too stupid to even comprehend what's being discussed here.
lol OP thinks you can raise your IQ by saying you're an atheist what a retard
>>537439299>I'd use the above to ask how you know it's a brute mystery but.... you seem genuinely too stupid to even comprehend what's being discussed here.Because it is empirically inaccessible. We cannot definitively prove that complicated calculations and or clockwork have an interior experience like we do. It is a huge fucking stretch to call it god though, because I just as easily say it is My Little Pony or the Spaghetti monster instead with just as much confidence.
>>537439292>They can simply use logicsure, and if it's not universal invariant and normativethen all of its inferences are meaningless.if logic is just a stochastically evolved program running in our monkeyslop minds, then it's finite, contingent and possesses no normative "ought".>it is empirically inaccessible"only empirical evidence is valid" is a metaphysical claim....
>>537416685Atheism is the foundation of Hinduism. Islam is the foundation of West.
>>537439299You claim that without your God, logic lacks ontological invariance. But you're confusing the map with the territory. Logic is not an abstract object floating in a Platonic heaven it is the invariant metabolic grammar of universal consciousness. Just as my subjective mind cannot simultaneously hold 'I am awake' and 'I am asleep' as equally true without collapsing into nonsense, the universal mind necessarily manifests coherent, non-contradictory structures. That coherence is the brute nature of mind-as-such.Your argument is the God-of-the-gaps because you are taking a feature of reality the fact that consciousness operates logically and insisting it cannot stand on its own, so you plug in a supernatural agent to 'hold it up.' But that agent requires the very same logical coherence to even be intelligible! You're using the gap to explain the very thing that makes your explanation possible. That is circular, and it is exactly a gap-filler just a transcendental one instead of an empirical one. I simply stop at the brute, undeniable fact that consciousness exists and operates in invariant ways. That isn't a gap; that is the foundation.
>>537439485>I just as easily say it is My Little Pony or the Spaghetti monster instead with just as much confidence.we're still on the question of the rationality of belief in God's existence, which is philosophy.elaborations on God's nature and acts would be theology, so we're not quite there yet.
>>537416685Agreed.
>>537439629>the universal mindcongratulations, youre a theist, welcome aboard
>>537439561>if logic is just a stochastically evolved program running in our monkeyslop minds, then it's finite, contingent and possesses no normative "ought".Okay, now why would I believe in some variant of a foreskin slurping desert demon to cope with incomplete or missing information about the world? Why does the fog of war distress you so much? Why import a space daddy? So you can curl into a ball and suck on your thumb?>"only empirical evidence is valid" is a metaphysical claim....I didn't say that. It is the only evidence that I know of that is valid when I am trying to convince other people of something. My consciousness is indubitable to myself only, not to others.
>>537439841Why do you seethe at words?>I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
>>537439719>>the universal mind>congratulations, youre a theist, welcome aboardThat's a textbook equivocation fallacy. You're using the same word 'mind' to describe two entirely different things. My 'universal mind' is an impersonal, non-intentional, non-intervening ontological substrate the brute fact that reality is experiential at its base. Your 'God' is a conscious, personal, morally judgmental creator who acts in time and answers prayers. These are not the same. If you strip personhood, intervention, creation, and moral lawgiving from your God, you're left with my 'universal mind' but that stripped-down version is definitively not a deity. So by your own criteria, I am not a theist. I'm just a philosopher who refuses to anthropomorphize the ground of being.
>>537439841>some variant of a foreskin slurping desert demoninteresting cope given that I never mentioned any specific religion, only that a theistic position is the more rational than an atheistic one>empirical evidence is the only evidence I know is valid when I am trying to convince other people of somethingnot to steer us back to logic but...Aristotle's logical laws are generally considered good examples of transcendentally evidenti.e.. law of non contradiction>A statement cannot be both true and false at the same time and in the same sense.can't be observed, manipulated, or replicated in the tangible physical world
>>537416685I like how OP reposts this every day with a slightly different title and it gets so much engagement.At this point might as well make it a /general/.
>>537440048How would you define division by zero?
>>537440027>the 'universal mind' is an impersonal, non-intentional, non-intervening ontological substratemaybe ask your LLM to substitute a more appropriate term here given that nearly all definitions of "mind" inhere agency and intentionality.>>537439629> the universal mind NECESSARILY manifests coherent, non-contradictory structures. sneaking in purposive action/teleology here I see.
>>537440267>UniMind is non-intervening>UniMind purposively & necessarily manifests structuresanon...this seems like a MAJOR contradiction.what kind of garbled panpsychism LARP are you running here?
>>537440048>interesting cope given that I never mentioned any specific religion, only that a theistic position is the more rational than an atheistic oneWhy the fuck would a theistic position be more rational than an atheistic one? Because they put a placeholder on the unknown? How is that rational? Because the idea of a space idea makes you /comfy/? Why can't I both admit that life and or consciousness is a miracle and also not believe in god for too many reasons to list? The flower that grows out of the grave of a loved one and the rainbow that appears after the flood offers no consolation for me. I could just as easily believe in the incoherence of the world even if the basis for me to make such a statement is coherence. The friction between the beauty of a bumblebee contrasted with the raw terror of a hurricane.
>>537440516*space daddy
>>537440344>what kind of garbled panpsychism LARP are you running here?One that seals off the exits. Your God cannot retreat into consciousness anymore because I believe that mind if fundamental without God. If you don't think so, you can kiss my big fat phanny.
>>537440344>anon...this seems like a MAJOR contradiction.Suck on my tetralemmas. Your logic and its "auntalledgey" fucking sucks dick.
>>537440516>logic just IS>purposive intelligible structure arises out of brute necessity>a universal mind exists and is the ground of all being and intelligibility> but it is not agentive, and it doesn't interact, >...except to impart those necessary structures previously mentionedit's definitely more rational than YOUR position
>WHAT IS A PAJEET?the best way to define pajeet is>descended from south asian subcontinental ancestry.political distinctions on maps or signified by flags are false and irrelevant. everything south of the himalayas that isn't gooky-chinky is pajeet. pakistan, india, bangladesh, sri lanka are all pajeet territory. enough of nepal and bhutan are jeeted that they may as well qualify too.all of these pajeets could stay where they belong and call themselves what they like, and nobody would disagree because nobody cares. however, because they profusely shit up the internet, and they mass migrate to shit up everyone else's homelands, they're all pajeets now. all counted together as the same thing, on the same visiting team as far as the human world is concerned.hindu, muslim, sikh, atheist, etc; male, female, gendersexual, old, young, etc; deformed, odorless, fair & lovely, dark & deep, etc... forget all of it. none of that diversity matters once they exit designated land to race with the globalist rats. now their entire overcrowded neighborhood at the bottom of asia is known as one source of one type of trespasser: the pajeet.>ONLY A PAJEET DISPUTES THIS DEFINITION
>>537440820interesting that you would invoke Peirce considering he was not only a theist, but a lifelong practicing Christian
the majority of pajeets on /pol/ try to hide the fact that they're pajeets. in addition to "leaving that part out" they will proactively, persistently misrepresent their true form. pajeets are all about assuming other people's roles, from today's outsourcing and replacement migration all the way back to thuggee bandits lying to travelers about who they were. pajeets are devoid of their own identity, making them the ideal globalized goyim. they don't want a home where they belong. all that means to them is "compete in squalor." much better to go somewhere nicer, built by other people, and do their jobs for less pay and live slum-barracks life in their suburbs. pajeets don't want to be home. they also don't want to be pajeets. jews know exactly how to play their insecurities and dopey ambitions like the innocent rube fresh off the bus from the cornfield. this is their new golem to replace the ones that don't love them anymore
>>537440990To be divorced from God is to be divorced from Logic & Truth itself. There is no reason to take anything you say into consideration because it's ultimately just your subjective feelings whereas we are concerned with objective reality.
>>537424093All false.>atheist retard doesn't understand abductive reasoningLet's hear your alternative hypothesis.I'm ready for a good laugh.
>>537440257You can't, it doesn't work in the framework of current human communication and mathematical ability. The moment you disconnect math from absolute universal rule to just another language it becomes both clear and more confusing. You can say 1+1 = 2 and it makes sense when communicated. Take 1 stick, and put another stick next to it, it becomes 2 sticks.. But then you learn that there are infinite numbers between 1 and 2, then it becomes incomprehensible without the esoteric rules that our mathematical and philosophical autists have tried to ground into reality in ancient times. You'll look at those rules and say it's untrue, it CANNOT BE! But then, you remember in middleschool or maybe highschool if you're retarded enough and you learn about pi, but pi is abstract ain't it? Then you apply pi to some equation you learned to find out what a volume of a spherical object is, and wtf, the magical rules of our ancient turbo autists of Babylon and Egypt started laying the ground work for.. becomes a finite number? SO YOU THINK IT DOES.. You look closer to equation, maybe you took a class in analysis and logic, maybe a deeper level of geometry where the numbers just become the symbols you see in the Greek alphabet, perhaps you've given up your sanity and piggy back off the studies of the professors that mentored you, who at this point have become insane themselves, they've entered the akashic field and are beyond salvation from their own mind, but yo?, YOU are just a fledgling in the study of math. After years of tuning your mind, fracturing what makes you who you are, and have splintered into an unknown number of yourselves asking different questions yet are the same ones.. You finally figured it out, the magical symbols, they just cancelled out! HOLY SHIT, THEY CANCELLED OMG IT MAKES SENSE. But.. but wait, it.. no.. no it can't be... IT CAN'T BE! It was just a numerical approximation and it was just a coincidence, it just happened.. Back to the drawing board.
>>537441050>it's definitely more rational than YOUR positionSure it is. God loves us, all that yadda yadda, meanwhile niggers are getting covered in hot ash and lava.
>>537424382>This isn't even true if it happened today.Wrong.>We can't even reliably use witnesses to identify who beat the shit out of them in criminal cases.Wrong and irrelevant.>And it's been 2000 years.Irrelevant non sequitur.>Literally nobody has firsthand experience of this dude walking out of the grave.False. Plenty of them do and they wrote it down.>Do you know how much embellishment occurs in a story that's passed down for thousands of years?We have the manuscripts from back then, you stupid atheist retard.
>>537441179Just because his beliefs are completely retarded doesn't mean he didn't have his moments of brilliance despite his self imposed handicaps.
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>>537441317you already consneeded that your worldview contains myriad contradictions right before requesting a gay sex act be performed on you.why are you buttmad about "muh if God real why bad thing happen?!"
>>537441406It's usually some unresolved emotional trauma towards God that is at the root of every person's paganism/atheism.
>>537441406>why are you buttmad about "muh if God real why bad thing happen?!"Because apparently a hungry shark hasn't licked your butthole yet and made you question the idea that big daddy is looking out for you.
>>537435887We have no interest in attacking the Jewish religion. We want Jews to be sent to the ovens, not converted to atheism.
>>537416685*mind blown*
>>537441451>unresolved emotional traumaThere is a raelity too that none of you want to ACKnowledge.
when pajeets don't find acceptance for their mass migrant culcha, they seek by any means necessary to call everyone else into question. they go full jew with the culture of critique, hoping to break down whatever was standing before they showed up in the late 20th century to siphon at the trough of globalism.this strategy applies to every fundamental pursuit of life into which billions of abhorrent maximal foreigners now wish to be included, involved, and influential every step of the way: socialization, education, employment, gender roles, older and younger generations relating to each other, longstanding demographics relating to each other, maintaining their historically relevant and territorially established traditions.all of these defining concepts are splashed with acid and people are riled with inflammatory decoys 24/7 by churning kalergi intruders. they do this to contradict and confound as much of the host culture as possible, with the ultimate goal of demolition to "build back better" and rewrite history to explain wtf they're doing everywhere
*DESTROYED*
>>537441484>muh pain & death r unnatural and badis a CHRISTIAN tenet...in naturalist evbio they're just weak or maladaptive genes being weeded outand in your panpsychist dungeons and dragons magic system pain & death are probably just the impersonal inactive-yet-active UniMind purifying itself or whatever
He's so edgy!
when in doubt, try thisCLINICAL TEST QUESTION>are you descended from south asian subcontinental ancestry?any answer longer than "no" means yesnot answering means yeslying means yes
>>537441590>don't sneed to humor the existence of gerd or faggy metaphysics to perceive colors or use logic*MIND BLOWN*INB4 pink wojaks of "philosophical geniuses* BUT MUH ONTOLOGY OF NORMATIVE INVARIANT LOGIC! RRRREEEEE!!!!
Gervais is so BASED!
>>537441753Of course you need metaphysics to establish logical systems. You're lying to yourself and pretending it's insightful.
>>537441825>Of course you need metaphysics to establish logical systems. You're lying to yourself and pretending it's insightful.You don't. I can drive a car without needing to know the inner workings of it. I can use logic without worrying about its "ontology" or whatever the fuck. Who is lying? Me or you? Do you need metaphysics to perceive the color red? No. You don't. It's fun to speculate on them, sure, but they aren't strictly necessary to reason about things and live your life.
>>537442001>If I refuse to think about it, it'll just go away and I'll win the argument!The thought process of a child.
