The game is over.New RC drone tech flies at near Mach 1.Picture this:> You're in the trenches of Ukraine> You're not anymore.It's just that fast, you don't even have enough time to blink your eyes, you got obliterated.Look at how fucking fast and nimble it is. Look at how it can do sharp u-turns in less than a second. Even supersonic interceptors won't hit them.4chan will drown in drone gore footage when they hit Ukraine.
>>537514984any idea of the cost?
>>537514984Isn't that video from over 5 years ago?It is cool but turbine jets aren't cheap. The vast majority of the cost in that case is the engine, it's really expensive.
>>537515128No price given>>537515132Japan has cardboard drones, Iran has motorcycle engine powered drones. It's a matter of months, if not week, before these miniature turbojets engines will be manufactured for cheap by the Chinese.
>>537515132that's from a youtube video that's like 12 years old.
>>537514984>newi saw this video many years ago how is this newhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPGDAZyQ44k> 8 years agowhat is new by your definition?
>>537515132It also cant fly very far. Because of fuel consumption.
>>537515418I feel old now thx. :(>>537515275I guess they have come down in price, about $3k-$4k.
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>>537514984That doesn't look like Mach 1.
>>537514984It also uses kerosene as fuel. No batteries so it's easier to mass produce.
>>537515961They're expensive to make
>>537514984Intelligence > speed. If you've seen any of the videos from ukraine you'll know you only need to fly slightly faster than an encumbered man can run.What will really matter is when these things have such powerful onboard intelligence you just launch 1000 of them and they swarm and kill all nearby life without human intervention.
>>537514984>not getting the pre - gore scared facesSome people just lack finesse.
If that thing crossed Mach 1 would it make a sonic boom that you could hear? Or is it too small to make a noticeable boom?
Now put 10kgs of explosive and tell me how fast it flies
>>537515961>Jet turbines are easier to get than batteries
Good luck with your little drone army against a nook.
>>537516177You'd it. It sounds like a far off gunshot in the sky.
>>537516177It doesn't go mach 1
>>537515995Not really. It's stamped sheet metal for the engine and the wings. Has lower parts. AI integration would make it autonomous. 750 km/hr kerosene drone.
>>537514984People reinventing missiles and acting like they've made something new is hilarious.
>>537516260>If that thing crossed Mach 1>If
>>537516321But a remote controlled missile though.
>>537516281>just stamp out some sheet metal, that's all it needslmao
>>537516321>People reinventing missiles and acting like they've made something new is hilarious.Drones have completely changed modern warfare. Ukraine would have collapsed by now without them.
>>537515128If it's a valveless pulsejet then it's probably a lot cheaper than a quadcopter because the core component is literally just a metal pipe.
>>537516321The issue is less them doing something that was already doneThe issue is cost and ease of useMissiles are expensive, hard to produce and often require specialised storage or else they break.Modern drones are cheap, easy to produce and require no specialised storage or launch platforms
They used to say that machine guns could be overwhelmed during the time they were being reloaded.That's what discussion about drone counter measure feels like
>>537516367Woah that'd be so futuristic.In 1938.
>>537516393Ukraine can make the supply chain within 2 months. They got a billion dollars a month budget lol.
>>537516412Its basically a model jet engine. They're pretty pricey but compared to a rocket motor? Cheap as chips
>>537514984ahh yes i remember watching that video like 4 years ago do oyu have the other one from the drone that wins against the formula1 racecar ?
>>537516465Yeah I guess they could, but I'm sure they're aware of this, so there's probably a reason they don't do it I would think.
>>537516471Correct. Mini Jet engines are way better for cruising than the shitty propeller shahed drones.
>>537514984And you can make that at home. Anyone can just have a fucking missile on standby and bomb places they don't like.
kekthis threadIran has been producing their own jet turbines for yearsPic rel is the KerrarCosts about 80,000 and they have been modifying it to carry heat seekers along with what you see in the imagethe turbines cost about 40,000 a pop
>>537516409>>537516447OP's post was claiming faster drones. Guess what happens when you try to make faster bigger drones? They turn into missiles.
>>537516367remote controlled is bug not a feature in this caseits better when it has ability to follows/flies towards the target itself after previously designating it as they wont cut you from your missile with simple EWand we had those since decadesanother thing is that payload will slow it downand another thing is that its overkill compared to normal cheaper drones
>>537516557Yeah but the prop driven ones are a lot cheaperA shahed is basically the xanatos gambit of weaponsIts insanely cheap compared to what it will blow up or what is needed to intercept it.No matter what your opponent does you come out ahead strategically
>>537516568The tricky part isn't the kerosene and plane body, it's the part that goes boom.
>>537516577at full whackthis is theorized to get to mach 0.73
>>537516609shaheds and similar can be cheaply intercepted with faster drones that have shorter range and less explosived
>>537516056>such powerful onboard intelligence you just launch 1000 of them and they swarm and killYou can do this now for $100 per unit or so. Most of that cost is the camera an a decent image recognition chip. The swarming, motion/orientation detection, and physics requirements can b done on a $10 chip.You are right that it only needs to be faster than a man or small ground vehicle.
>>537516281>kerosene droneIt has a miniaturized jet engine, it's not cheap or easy to make or fly. This isn't for your common retard. You can build something cheaper with propellers for sure. The most efficient would be propellers, then rocket boosters to thrust it into the target at higher speeds. Model rocket engines are cheap and easy to make.
>>537514984These have been around for years.The Russians already have jet powered Doritos.They have a tiny range compared to the propeller Doritos.They are very expensive. Turbines are far more expensive than piston engines.Meaning they are low numbers produced.
>>537516696Yes but that technology is not being widely used outside of Ukraine yetAnd even there its not as reliable
>>537514984old clip, i have an rc turbojet, buying the a1 jetfuel is annoying cuz it is used up quick
>>537515275They have been doing it for years and the Chinese ones are expensive.
>>537514984id put little lego dudes on it
here is the shahed 136 and its big brother the 238the russians modeled their gerant on this370mph suicide dronethey are not used much
>>537516609Cheaper but a lot slower. Jet engines are super loud but it's so fast, it needs multiple interceptors to stop it. Even with no explosives it's a 750 kmph decapitator.>>537516697Adding AI will make it self sustained. No EM radiation or jammers can stop it. You don't even need fiber optic cables. Just a 4k camera module and a computing chip.
>>537515275>It's a matter of months, if not week,I posted the exact same video as OP 3-4 years ago along with predictions of exactly how warfare would change and what people need to do to prepare. The jet engine ones did not take off because they aren't really needed. They'd be useful for anti-air but we already have anti-air weapons, and the small jet engines don't go as fast as jet planes or missiles, so they can't chase them down. They're useful for helicopters which are on their way out. A propeller drone can chase down a human so a jet is not needed.
>>537514984It’s going to be insane when we start seeing politicians and world leaders get insta gibbed by civilians with these tools. we might never see open air political rallies again and if we do then everyone will be in a bomb proof cage
>>537516724Ramjet is yet to be deployed for small scale. It actually has no moving parts.
>>537516918>suicide dronesuch a fuciking retarded propaganda language fucking smoothbraion faggot niggercattle created this and use this fuck you suicide dronereally ?a machine doing a evil verboten suicide ? fucking faggot woman brain
>>537516957>>537517090You are describing a very expensive cruise missile for small strikes.
this one is the head ache for defenses and is most likely what took out most of the radars etcthe Hadid 110The theory is that it homes into radar signals, so once its close to a radar and the radar fixes on it, that becomes the target
>>537517132And very short ranges.
>>537516577>this threadits sunday and its hot in the barracks so the nafo shills are bored because there are no real anons they can propagandize friendly reminder that 80% of the posters itt are paid by tax money
>>537517089wouldnt even need explosives, just hitting them at that speed would do the damage
>>537516367
>>537517212ITT most people acting like they'll reinvent war that's already been invented.
>>537516281>AI integration would make it autonomousJust strap 4 GPU's to it bro. Using AI that way would totally be a warcrime but we can do it bro.
>look what is thissomeone mowing lawn on a sunday !??i'm going to go get myself a icecream cone now fuck you sun
this is the Arash-2the heaviest loitering munition Iran have150kg plus warhead2000km rangesolid fuel booster that changes to a piston propthese typically go in behind a shahed swarm then target the defenses/radar that become active
>>537516957AI will make this thing much more expensive.
see>>537515637https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK6PT2uVmbA
>>537514984My dude, that guy's video has been out for at least five years, probably more like ten.Found it, the record flight was set on August 23, 2017. So, nine years. 465.544 MPH (749 metric thingies) by the way.* The model aircraft is just a big turbine, a small fuel tank, a fiberglass wing shape, and a few bits of R/C control gear.* the jet carries no payload, certainly no warhead* the jet's flight time is just a few minutesWhat is exceptionally silly about this is that the REAL record is 564 MPH by Spencer Lisenby:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCVK3w5DHbkThis one is even more impractical as a weapons system because it's a slope-soaring sailplane that only flies that fast near cliffs with a steady ocean breeze flowing over them.Now, if you want something truly impressive, go look up TAM-5, aka "The Spirit of Butts' Farm". Butts is the name of the guy who owned the farm they tested the R/C model at. It flew over 1800 miles from Newfoundland to Ireland on 0.91 U.S. gallons of fuel. The Russian Ministry of Defense even released a statement warning of the weaponization of such aircraft at the time. That was in 2003.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_of_Butts'_Farm>>537515132>Isn't that video from over 5 years ago?Just under nine years, yeah.>>537515128Probably around $3000 to $5000 for the engine. The rest is negligible in comparison. The primary "cost" is that the guy needed to be an aeronautical engineer in order to do the math to design the aircraft.
>>537517348Modern chips don't need GPU's for computing.>>537517498An open source AI code installed into the processor. You could even use raspberry Pi for computing if you lower the resolution and speed of the drone. A small SD card for data, RAM and a processor.
>>537515128Anywhere between 1500 - 4000 USD for civilian RC (toy) turbine engines (170n). If you want a real jet engine that can deliver a small payload, arround 20-50k USD for ~1200 newtons. It ain't cheap.
>>537517328i know its fucking retarded do you remember in the 90s when the amerikeks lifted the public relations ban on their super sekrit F-117 nighthawk angled surfaces ( but totally secret sauce radar absorbing paint like for real ) ?>>537517137looks like the iranians watched those lockheed docus too same shit every time some fag decides its a good idea to give away secrets because it revives the competition and gets the money flowing again so they give the "secrets" ( like the "super duper fast kinetic impactor anti slow drone interceptor faster than drone drone ) basically open source seeding the know how with how to instructables and then bitch and cry about some when the evil enemy uses that technology against our own people to justify getting more money from the same people that dont want to get maimed by 1000 grams of electronics wrapped in recycled water bottles. the fucking anglos released tatp recipies to the public around the time of the london bus psyopsthese people are insane increase of suffering in the civilian population is a commodity for them they feel entitled to the fruits of labor of that civilian population so lack of real enemies makes them cannibalize their own war is their vehicle fear is their weapon your mind is their target
the Mohajer-10if you think you recognize it, you doits a direct knock off of the MQ-9 reaper2000km range24 hors flight300kg payloadvery configurable, everything from air to ground, electronic surveillance to glide bombsIran will be trying to get air to air from this
>>537517692cant sell it if people dont know what they are buying
>>537517645That has limited supply chain. There's already DIY jet engines on YouTube that surpass this easily. The raw materials are 10 dollars for this lmao.
>>537517641That thing will be barely able to tell up from down, anon.
>>537517766Now we're just mixing up platforms. It's a drone but a UAV carrying missiles.
>>537516281>It's stamped sheet metal for the engine and the wings.Dude, at least try learning a little bit about R/C before blowing your credibility like that. It's either carbon fiber or fiberglass over balsa and foam.>>537516957>Even with no explosives it's a 750 kmph decapitator.ROFL. Good luck hitting anyone at that speed. Maybe if you slammed it into the Moscow Victory Day Parade, assuming the Russians ever have enough men again to show them off at one.What next, gonna say "you could attach razor blades to the wings!"?>>537517645>If you want a real jet engine that can deliver a small payload, arround 20-50k USDI was pricing a Solar a while back, I think it was $150. Solar is the name of the turbine manufacturer, BTW. Yeah, silly name for a jet engine maker, like naming a medical center "Death Valley Hospital" or sth.
>>537517886A smart phone motherboard is good enough for battery drones.
>>537517645way too complex of a contraption requires all sorts of delicate and unflexible things like precision manufacturing, logistics chainseven if you argue metal 3d printer and use a organic streamlined design to reduce parts its still using specific parts that are purpose builtso instead what you want is open source instruction to just for the lulz have normies build a dozen diy 3d-printed $for cheap consumer plc using open source drones then distribute flight software via internet to 1000s of "volunteers" who produce these drones at home ( think during the corona dry run people sewing masks or printing "visors" ) then one day ahve them all go to the park and bring their 12 drones, set them on the grass and turn the power on, the rest will be taken care of by the predistributed control softwaretotal anarchy
>>537514984That’s such an old video.They have 500 mph prop driven drones now.
>>537517899they have about 4-5 variants on this typeall multi use
>>537517924This thread is hopeless.
>>537517945The world record is 400 mph.
>>537517571Remember when HobbyKing sold pulsejets?Ah those were the days. Can't even get a bixler off HK anymore.
>>537517822top kekvery good xDit is like you say that reminds me to check on the oil filter price for my lawnmower engine i hope they have the 5.56-/-9 back in stock on craigslist
>>537517922>Good luck hitting anyone at that speedAI Computing has solved it.
>>537518003That's cool, what's the point of trying to mix up missiles and drones though? Your claims don't have real teeth though since most of what Iran fired during the war has been ballistic missiles of their regular Fattah and Emad and above class. Drones have been the more easily destroyed in air threats. Traveling only 1 mach or less doesn't cut it against American and Israeli air to air missiles.
>>537517894https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPGDAZyQ44k
>>537517886>>537518011>delusions of denial copemy icecream cone is waitingfuck this thread i'm out
this is the grand daddyAbabil-3this actually started development back in the 80's during the Iran Iraq warmost likely none left, they would have been the old stockpiles used first
>>537517922That thing is running a jetcat for sure
>>537514984Yeah so you need line of sight because a camera won't be able to keep up. So that makes it obsolete. Maybe with a fiber spool but there goes your speed. Thr current drones are fast enough. And Yolka is the Apex interceptor.
>>537518016Yeah! WTF happened to HobbyKing anyway? They used to be fucking huge, now 90% of their stuff is out of stock when I try to find anything on their site, especially all the engines and ducted fan stuff. I kept trying to buy their cheap styrofoam FPV goggles and could never find them in stock.
>>537514984You gotta relax, froggy. That shit has no warhead attached. And to kill regular infantry it certainly isn't necessary. There's a higher likelihood that it will miss the target at such high speeds. The 130kmph drones are more than enough to get the job done. But I can see it being used for other applications, depending on its range and actual viability, such as AI assisted helicopter downing, perhaps even against certain slower moving planes because they're soft-er targets that require a less powerful warhead compared to ground based equipment.I'm sure they're well aware of this and there's a good reason why they haven't employed this tech.
>>537517922>I was pricing a Solar a while back, I think it was $150.Whoopsie. That should have been $15K, i.e., $15,000. Stupid me.
>>537514984Still waiting for drone dogfights.
>>537518139they use layered attacksthey send in the cheap shit first then follow up with what they think will hit while defense is reloading etcthese all exist, they have been shown at arms shows for years
>>537518349It's been a thing since the war started in 2022.
>>537517090And how exactly are you going to get the drone to the supersonic speeds required for a ramjet to work at not -40,000 ft?
>>537518196Basic smart phones don't have the ability to handle the AI and sensor processing you'd need. And anon claimed even a Rasp Pi would cut it. Maybe for a slow drone, but definitely not something fast and needs to make an accurate decision.
>>5375182334k camera module, AI processor integration to detect and guide the drone, and multiple ram sticks. That's all it needs.
>>537514984With zero payload. LMAO you're retarded LMAOOOOOO
>>537518375Yes in theory, it hasn't been the main things getting through and hitting things. There's a reason why they focus on ballistic missiles over slower flying drones. These aren't stealth, anon. They are easy to detect track and kill. The only things they have at range that are hard to intercept are their missiles.
>>537518264They still exist. They just sell exclusively to militaries now. Plenty of Temu clones you can use though. These anons have no real RC or UAV knowledge. I remember Ukrainoids were flying tricopters through the Donbas mapping out trenches in 2014. They don't even have good OSDs or FCs anymore. Antenna tracking? Good luck, build it yourself.
>>537518398Nah thats just drones crashing into eachother, Im talking about drones chasing eachother around the sky shooting eachother down
Shahed-171In 2011 Iran got their hands on a US RQ-170https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16098562They got it pretty much intact and reverse engineered it to come up with thisThey use it for intelligence, its got the low radar profile shape but not the proper materials
>>537518510they are meant to be easy to kill anonfor every shahed taken out you have to use a massively expensive missile that was designed to combat incoming aircraft or missiles, not lawn mowersthe jet drones are not that easy, not saying you cant but one or 2 will always get through if you send enough
>>537517028the other problem is these things need to be compatible with fiber optic control. radio controlled devices can and will be jammed.
I'll leave this here
>>537518264Hobbykings entire business model was being a middleman between RC enthusiasts and Chinese factoriesThe enthusiasts realised they can just order direct from the factory and Hobbyking has been dying a slow death ever since
They won't fully automate AI drones because there's no 100 percent guarantee it won't glitch out and kill the forces that deployed it by accident
>>537518768>if they send enough.They've been firing mostly their missiles and you can say the same about their ballistic missiles than their drones they need more expensive electronics to build.
Jet drones are actually so powerful it can take down heads of states and I think that's the way it'll be introduced to the mainstream military scenario. Like Putin getting killed by 5 plus jet drones.
>>537514984You want really cool? Here's a new Estonian interceptor. Quadcopter that takes off and can loiter wherever, then a rocket engine for the actual interception of an enemy UAV.
>>537518986>still reinventing the wheel
>>537514984Or here's a good one from Ukraine. Just a quadcopter with an antitank shaped charge -- but their operator is skilled enough to aim that sucker. BOOM, headshot.
>>537519140I want 1,000,000 of these on the border.
>>537518833Sad. They were more than just a portal, though, their "Turnigy" brand was stuff made to their specs.>>537518608>exclusively to militaries nowSad, they could have just spun off a separate division and sold to both.>Ukrainoids were flying tricopters mapping out trenches in 2014Yeah, back in 2013 I was telling /k/ that drones were the future of warfare, that with nothing more than Google Maps and a hobbyist quadcopter loaded with explosives you could take out SAM sites and whatever else you wanted. Needless to say I got laughed off the board. No fucking vision whatsoever.
>>537519288Best part is that would cost less than a squadron of F-35s.
>>537519140Won't say more why this is not as smart as it seems
>>537519248Quadcopters with rpg heads will not be beat lol
>>537514984how long?? those shits have an autonomy of 60 seconds.
>>537518945I think they have been firing everythingas for re-armingthey have everything they need apart from time and thats what they are playing for nowover land road and rail links will have kept them going and if sanctions are dropped they will be in a better position than before the war in 6 monthsbetter tooling, materials and production lines
>>537515275>no price givenThis means it's heaps and bounds above usual drone prices and possibly negotiated individually with buyers.
>>537517571haha that record is funny just a boomer doing circles with a glider cucking all the high end jet fags
>>537518449Ukrainian drones uses less than mobile phone processors.
>>537519416They were just rebranding stuff for the most partI wouldn't be shocked if they moved into supplying military clients though, since most western militaries won't be comfortable buying from Chinese factories so the goods need laundering so to speak>>537519589According to American intel they're projecting that the Iranian stockpiles are down to 70% with most of what they have now being their better more advanced stuff They lobbed all their obsolete or low quality stuff in the early days
>>537514984Fuel for 2 minutes
>>537519679wouldnt surprise me in the leastthey started making drones in the 80'sno-one really has a clue how much stockpiles they have
>>537519633Not for what you're talking about and what this thread started on.
>>537518349I think ammo is too heavy for these drones right now realistically
>>537519729Check out the Ukrainian jet drone. 800 km of range.
>>537518076>AI Computing has solved itthere is no way a small on-board ai chip is going to be able to discern friend from foe or soldier from civilian.
>>537519989If it's in enemy territory like Russia or Israel, who cares? It has GPS, facial tracking, can identify planes and tanks, can track cars. So even if it misses some ivan dies. It's fast that's what matters. We can figure out computing later.
>>537519989NVIDIA jetson modules combined with YOLO (you only look once)range from 158g to 306 gramstheoretically it could distinguish between civilians and uniforms but in real world probably not the other things it can do are fucking terrifying though
>>537515132>It is cool but turbine jets aren't cheapRocket motors are surprisingly cheap. Mach 1+ jet drones definitely have a niche, but so do supersonic rockets.
>>537514984Isn't that a kangaroo jet? Been around forever, none of this is new including the propulsion. Wait until you find out how fast unpowered rc gliders are.
>>537520192You're right that's pretty based. I hope Iran releases a swarm of thousands of killer robots in New York.
>>537521210Kys
>>537517125>STOP USING WORDS IN CONTEXTS WE DON"T USE IN GERMANYgerman autism at its finest
>>537514984Ziggers must be sweatin rn
