The right handicapped themselves by rejecting socialism when it's the key to saving the White race change my mind
They are too indoctinated by the media is accept this truth. Almost 100% of the immigration problem is because of capitalism.
>>537574916Femanon here. My husband said that right wing capitalism is very retarded. It’s selfish and narcissistic. We’re a Christian household so we believe the community needs to take care of itself.
>>537574916Socialism only works in a homogeneous high trust society, which none of the west is (by design)
>>537574916your mind is retarded so it's fine how it is
>>537575004shut the fuck up you fat faggot
We already have socialism. It's just not for Whites.
>>537574916If they rejected socialism for all, it would be fine.Rejecting socialism for the lower class while keeping it for the businesses is a problem.Businesses that wish for capitalist profits need to also be run in a capitalist way where the ones who fail to meet up to expectations (whether the people's or their host government's) should be allowed to fail and new ones should be allowed to fill the void.
>>537574916The left doesn't even exist, a democrat had a Nazi tattoo
>>537575011Prove it
>>537574916Any form of socialism is doomed to fail without a completely homogenous society. Prove me wrong.
>>537574916No. The key to saving the White race is TKD.
The western civilization can only be saved if all white men embrace Roehmism but the rightoids are not ready for this discussion (by desing)
>>537575004You are an obese, rotundoid man.
>>537574916>goys give up all property and income to Jewish central committee, they will care about youWe already see how "good" this work with central bank and money supply...
>>537574968>if you give free money to immigrants they ll stop comingthats why they re coming in the first place vpn kike
>>537574968>>537575011There is a right wing form of socialism that actually works. Corporatism. National socialism. Guild socialism. It's core facet is called distributism.The Third Reich adhered to a directed market economy which incentivized but rarely forced firms to do what the state wanted them to do and encouraged competition and long-term planning while increasingly eliminating the power of the stock market.The Third Reich in general adhered to a form of socialism that came to be known as Distributism which emphasized the importance of SMEs to the economy and nation, sought to break the power of stock markets but used the franchising model extensively with natural monopolies.The logic that the Third Reich engaged in quite profound in its way in that it recognized that the economy must be as autarkic as possible and with strategic industries/infrastructure that was an absolute requirement.
>>537575270While state planning was useful in war time; it was inefficient and expensive in peace time so the Germans privatized large swathes of previously nationalised companies (the Wall Street Crash) throughout the 1930s but also forced the removal of around a 1/4 of German companies from the stock exchange system by upping the listing requirement.This was clever precisely because while the stock exchange system was a potent way for companies to raise capital; it was also a system that could be easily manipulated for political power (as we often see today) and also used to crash economies for power (as jews tried to do to the Germans from 1933 onwards repeatedly via economic boycotts, propaganda and FOREX manipulation) and profit (the Wall Street Crash among other crashes then in recent memory).So by removing all the weaker firms from the Stock Exchange the Germans severely hampered its power and also forced firms in general to engage in long-term planning for their business and not just to focus on the 'next quarter' to please their stock market investors and make them profits. Thus in turn strengthening general industry by refocusing the German economy.They also used the much maligned MEFO bills as a form of B2B currency that wasn't to be cashed in without prior notice to the Reichsbank and kind of acted like government bonds that could be traded as a new kind of gold-backed Mark and which replaced the stock market somewhat. In many ways the economic problem the Third Reich had was not declaring 'Total War' far sooner (early 1943 when this should have been declared in early 1942 if not earlier) and rationalizing the over-specialised production common till mid-late 1943 that was caused by the marketsDistributism is actually closer to the REAL ideal capitalism envisioned by thinkers like Frederic Bastiat, than the loan and finance capitalism we have today.
>>537575052>>537575221Distributist socialism is how East Asia's economies got so powerful and reached first world status.Japan and the East Asian economies, starting with the Japanese national socialists (who unlike Germans were allowed to keep their government roles) also secretly practiced Distributism after WW2 in order to become as / more developed than Western economies. Many people believe they just developed because "Asian people are smart". Whilst slightly above average IQ may have played a role, the real game changer was they were Distributist.https://youtu.be/p5Ac7ap_MAYA documentary short version of the book Princes of the Yen by Richard Werner, which describes Japan's secret distributist system, it's being copied by other East Asian economies and it's destruction by traitors in the banking system
>>537574916more like, it's a purposeful scam that your choices at an election are either "trad individualists" or "woke collectivists" when in reality the universe is filled with "trad collectivists" and "woke individualists". it's designed so nobody gets everything they want so you keep hoping for the next election to fix everything whether you're a woke individualist or a trad collectivist. this is beyond race, it's just about leaders realizing it's easier to keep rebels fighting over elections rather than just gun the rebels down like they used to do 300+ years ago
>>537575225They keep coming because big business needs an army of cheap workers to support its revenues. That's the entire reason. Musk would import a billion foreigners just so that he could add another 100 billion dollars to his digits. He knows he is never going to have to deal with them himself.
>>537574916>The right handicapped itself by not being left-winghuh
>>537574916National Socialism
>>537575367If you can hire labor as a private individual it's not a socialism, it's exploitation see Marx.
>>537574916Need the robots and the free labor before we can have free shit. Everyone knows this. Go make some fucking robots. You give me free shit NOW!
>>537574968Yep. National socialism is a great system but it's been forever tainted because of the ethnic cleansing by Hitler. You can have national socialism without the wars/killing but the two are now forever intwined.
>>537575381they cant because armies belong to the peoplelookt at french revolutionthey could before because armi'es were random mercenaries or nobles dfeending their powernow they re people. and people dont want to kill their ownthey dont have the power to do that. so its not about that. they re doign this becaus eits the only thing they can do
>>537575405ultimately, the leaders of the world are hoping to get back to the good old days when workers were called "peasants" and looked at rich people as "chosen by god". BRICS is just openly bringing back theocratic aristocracy while NATO is trying to be sneaky and use phrases like "the experts" and "unskilled workers"
>>537575405so you re a national socialist who want sto cut welfare for foreigners? or just a kike ?
sorry you need the state to be social and make friends
>>537575505you say that, but i don't believe that, the armies keep losing wars because they're run by bootlickers, if the government says "kill all the grandmas and babies" then the army is either like "i'd better trust the college-educated experts" or "haha this'll show the libtards who's boss" depending on the country
>>537574916As long as socialists promise gibs to immigrants, this is bullshit.
>>537575473Socialism as a movement existed as an alternative to runaway classical liberal capitalism before Marx was born, and encompasses many diverse thinkers who didn't agree on everything. Marx didn't define Socialism, he merely engulfed it and his Communism took it over, in the same way Neoconservatism took over American conservatism. Distributism is a competing, and vastly more successful, alternative to Marxist socialism. >>537575052It is ironic but diametrically opposed writers like Frederic Bastiat in 'The Laws' and Vladimir Lenin in 'Imperialism' both identified the same thing that Hitler did in that the problem of laissez faire / libertarian economics is that a lot of businessmen simply steal from the government.Bastiat's point was that businessmen can't have free trade and then make a business stealing from the public then expect there not to be anti-free trade sentiment.Where Bastiat and Lenin disagreed was that Bastiat thought it an aberration while Lenin thought it a key feature.Hitler recognized that both Bastiat and Lenin were right in that it was a key feature of capitalism but it didn't have to be; if the state took its role as national arbiter seriously and re-directed capitalism away from raping the taxpayer and towards innovation and production.
>>537575695I would say Hitler's mistake (similar to Mussolini's but not as bad as Musso) was that he decided to handpick a few key corporations to be the ones to win.China's success comes from letting the corporations fight each other to the death and then promoting the winners, but keeping the winners knowing that should they ever fall behind in innovation they're dead too.
>>537574916>>537574968globalism and socialism is also a death sentence so no, go back to your subhuman nations and continue breeding recklessly you dumb fuck animals.
>>537575497if you call it "national socialism" and use a swastika symbol and talk about the future of the white race, it's impossible to win an election. BUT if you call it "market socialism" and have brown people as part of your leadership council, you can get a bunch of mainstream leftists to vote for you
>>537575762China's success comes from stealing and parasitising off of the West.
>>537574916>You don't know me but you owe me money for no reason at all.Get a job!
>>537575762it's simpler than that IMO, China succeeds where Hitler fails because their leadership keeps saying "We're not racist, we want what's best for everyone" even while they're building camps and erasing cultural minorities they're yelling "Racism is bad! Sexism is bad! Progress! One race, the human race!" It's all about optics, folks
>>537575497>>537575870It's why Bernie was sabotaged in the US (whether he would have actually stuck to his guns or not is another question), and part of why BSW is dead in the water in Germany.The polices that to be pro-worker means to be anti-immigration makes 100% sense and every worker agrees.That doesn't change the fact that it's easy to make people think of the nazis with it, so you either have to lean into that (and lose) or try to avoid talking about it (and lose when other people bring it up).
>>537575934every country steals, the USA kidnapped nazi scientists, this is the issue with christian culture, the idea that espionage is le bad
>>537574916>the right did this>the right did thatIt was done by propagandists, clever D&C hamstringing.
>>537575655Your entire financial system promises eternal gibs through debt instruments and loans to the RothschiId elite who are buying out your politicians and bringing in the migrants. A distributist socialist system have loans for the purpose of productive credit creation, actually investing in small and medium businesses and helping the real economy, agriculture and manufacturing and industry grow making everyone wealthier instead of just producing infinite debt bubbles so the super rich can enslave everyone and turn us all into BrasilWatch vvvvhttps://youtu.be/IzE038REw2k"Economics for Helen" by Hilaire Belloc which is probably the greatest economics primer ever writtenhttps://archive.org/details/economicsforhele0000bellThe Servile State by Hilaire Bellochttps://legiochristi.com/static/lit/H_Belloc_The_Servile_State.pdfThe Outline of Sanity by C. k. Chesterton https://www.menofthewest.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/The-Outline-of-Sanity-GK-Chesterton-1927.pdfManifesto for the Abolition of Enslavement to Interest by Gottfried Feder https://archive.org/details/manifesto-for-abolition-enslavement-interest-on-money-gottfried-feder"Usury" by Calvin Elliott. https://archive.org/details/ElliottCalvinUsuryWhere does Money Come From by Richard Wernerhttps://professorwerner.org/pubs/where-does-money-come-from-a-guide-to-the-uk-monetary-and-banking-system/(can be found on Annas-archive)Princes of the Yen by Richard Wernerhttps://professorwerner.org/pubs/princes-of-the-yen-japans-central-bankers-and-the-transformation-of-the-economy/(can be found on Annas-archive)KILLING THE HOST: How Financial Parasites and Debt Bondage Destroy the Global Economy by Michael Hudsonhttp://digamo.free.fr/hudson15.pdfHitler's Revolution by Richard Tedorhttps://archive.org/details/hitlers-revolution-expanded-edition-richard-tedor_20230406_2240NATIONAL SOCIALISM NOW! by William Joycehttp://www.mourningtheancient.com/joyce2.pdf
>>537574916All mainstream political entities reject socialismAll fringe groups embrace it somehow
>>537575973very true. bernie and AOC are scary for the bankers lol even though they're bith part-jewish they're scary for bankers because their policies are like "nonracist hitler economics" lolon the flipside, if Deutschland ever brings back the black-white-red and fraktur and all that fun stuff, it'll be some gay muslim drug addict yelling about marxist jihad, mark my words
lol people should make these threads more often. Holy shit, I had no idea the arguments against "socialism" are so retarded.>"Hurr durr free moni is stupid.">"Socialism causes immigration."It's too hot to argue today. But please keep on coping. And remember to never define the thing you're collectively arguing over. That would just lead to reaching common, sensible ground. Either either full communism with 0 property rights or anarcho capitalism with 0 collectivism.
>>537575762There was no mistake with Hitler's economy. He was invaded by everyone and destroyed. These systems work perfectly fine, and outcompete our modern neoclassical Western economies like it's nothing. They are destroyed by attacks from the outside by countries controlled by the Globalist parasite.
trvke. capitalism = pursuit of capital. it's right there in the word. Not pursuit of sovereignty, not pursuit of preserving your people/culture. Pursuit of capital.In that framework, the cheaper the labor, the better; and open borders + lax immigration lends itself to cheap labor.
>>537576196this is my whole argument i keep trying to make to this board>figure out what you want>AND THEN...>figure out how to make it sound wokepeople take labels too seriously, it's just made-up PR bullshit
>>537576304To be fair, this is an issue on the left too. Tribalism is human... But it's sad we can't rise above it on a forum of all places, lmao.
>>537574916Idk. Social welfare programs only help shitskins. I don't think more of it will help us
>>537575695>Socialism as a movement existed as an alternative to runaway classical liberal capitalism before Marx was born,Before Marx it had no theoretical base to stand upon. Marx scientifically found that hiring labor is theft there socialism. Without Marx you can't explain why socialism is better.
>>537574916Separate societies and then separate territories, Anon
>>537574968Why is the left against any restrictions on immigration? It's always the right that opposes more immigration and the left that goes into hysterics over any lowering of immigration.You have no answer to this. You never have an answer to this. You run away from the thread and wait for the next thread to make your post and then run away again when this question is asked.
>>537574968can you explain, without getting mad, how the people who vote for no borders and every other pro immigration and multicultural policy also happen to pretty much all exist on the left and are communists/socialists but this is "100%" caused by capitalists?oh yeah, you can't, because it's obviously a load of shit and a bad faith argument made precisely by a person who wants to implement failed socialist policies under the guise that they're somehow going to fix it and make everything right wing
>>537574916Any system can be corrupted. Looking at any one ideology as a catch all solution is small brain.The solution is for a population to be intelligent enough to not elect actual ill-meaning retards into office, and have the methods by which the people can remove them when they become unpopular.Any president that has a lower than 50% approval rating for more than 6 months should be impeached automatically.
>>537575004Message from your husband
>>537577457Because "left" is code word for anti white. Thats it.
>>537577287A lot of science is just creating models, hypotheses theories, experiments, proof and systems, inspired/based on stuff we see in "nature" or objective reality. There are even sciences related to acquiring, defining, scoping and philosophizing on knowledge.Honestly, just seeing retards confuse any type of collectivism (broad, applies to autonomous[ish] things) with communism (more specific, ideologica, human) is funny.How many people have the "hurr durr was Hitler socialist" discussion rather than rejecting the simple premise outright. Obviously, he appealed to collectivism and individualism. Everyone does to a degree, right? Nobody fucking discusses what should and shouldn't be a public good because people are kept fucking retarded with nonsense basic discussion about things that aren't even real. Laymen discussing models that ought to have helped with understanding society, which ironically reduces understanding, if taken as fact rather than guidance.>rant over, politics is depressing. Am I too autistic or is everyone just fucked up?
>>537577458Democrats are capitalists. Being pro or against capitalism isn't a left vs right issue.
>>537577287>scientificallyMarx never used the scientific method. He just used science as a credibility-enhancing buzzword.
>>537577528Damn, a common sense post in a sea of retardation. Rare 4kikes W.>>537577689Is China completely against capitalism? China industrialized and grew extremely fast by embracing aspects of free market capitalism. Unlike USA, they also invested in renewables like crazy, are protectionist with their industries (while stealing from the outsourced industries; and improving!), ensured there is fast and affordable public transport, and they do long term planning better, seeing how politicians aren't inclined to lie once every 4 years.>BUTObviously, China is a lot worse in lots of respects. Just not the industrial, engineering and economic ones. I wouldn't want to live in an autocracy. Covid measures were wild there, lmao.>>537577833Total nonsense argument. Either you're implying economics isn't a real science or you're a literal retard, who simply talks out of his ass. Das Kapital contains a lot of "theory". Whether you agree with it is a different story. Whether it still applies to modern society? Not really. It's rare for social sciences to stand the test of time in its entirety.
>>537574916I doubt socialism would ever work because it is built on the idea nobody would take advantage of the system, which has pretty much always happened with every socialist state in history turning it into a crueler version of capitalism. But it especially would not work in most western nations these days because you need nationalism for people to want to contribute to the state. They need to feel like they're part of something bigger than themselves but nationalism gives me the ick, ew, yikes, imagine being proud of your country. That's not even getting into opening the borders for every nigger from North-Africa or the Middle East with a fake sob story who brings over his entire nigger family and would rather keep suckling on the teat of western governments than contribute. These people feel loyalty only towards their own desert shitholes and cultures.
>>537578023oof, forgot to add a few more negatives: Corruption is higher on a local level in China. Probably elsewhere too. No free press. Internet locked down. Unreal levels of surveillance. No democracy. Obviously, better in the west when it comes to that. But economically? They really do make some fundamental arguments against radical individualists...>simple point: The individual thrives in a fair and collectivist society. There is a healthy balance between individualism and collectivism.
>>537577689Dems are more likely to propose pro-labor policies though. By a large margin even considering how supply side focused most Republicans are.
>>537574916i don't think many right wingers are necessarily opposed to socialist policies in principle, but in practice they understand that pushing for socialism under the current political state of the west is absurdly self defeating and suicidal. all it does is put an enormous tax burden on white people to provide for lazy shitskins, and creates a massive incentive for shitskins to flood white countries for gibs. 99% of the people pushing for socialism in the world today believe this is a good thing and want it to happen.
>>537578122>I doubt socialism would ever work because it is built on the idea nobody would take advantage of the systemI doubt capitalism would work because is built on the idea nobody would take advantage of the system, which has pretty much always happened with every free market western society, which doesn't curtail lobbying, insider trading and revolving door politics.---These kinds of arguments are one-sided. You start with your own conclusion (socialism bad) and then make up your reasoning for it. In the same way, I could make a one-sided argument profit maximizing leads to companies breaking the law, because they get a better advantage over the competition. Their cost cutting efficiency is (dogmatically) put as an advantage but it doesn't really fit the other dogma, that says that quality of services and products will improve, which we have plenty of examples of that not being the case. Water companies in UK have cost the tax payer more than they would've cost when they weren't privatized. I can say it with certainty because it IS so blatant.>I ain't fucking taking sides. Just sick of you ideological huffing your own farts.
>>537578191Having a social safety net AND increasing worker's rights as well as a minimum wage is patriotic. False flagging kikes are just connecting social welfare with immigration because they believe the goyim do not deserve social welfare, only they do. Paid for by the American taxpayer. Lmao.
>>537578023It's not an argument, it's a statement of fact. You can easily disprove it with a counterexample. Where did Marx use the scientific method?
>>537578549I've already mentioned it. Apparently, you lack basic reading comprehension.Have you ever studied the economy in any formal way? If so, you keep skim through Das Kapital and feel pretty stupid afterwards. You can disagree fundamentally in every way but your statement was retarded.
The best argument against socialism is to simply look at your country's current government. Does it waste tax dollars on DEI/woke nonsense? Mine certainly does. Here's a perfect example:https://www.fraserinstitute.org/commentary/taxpayers-are-generous-first-nationsSo, if your government is incredibly wasteful, why trust it with MORE power, and MORE resources? It will simply waste those even more. For the USA folks, look at the "Learing Center" bullshit going on in Minnesota for a perfect example of this.
>>537574916If modern day socialists would stop pushing their ideological grab bags of systems ultimately rooted in, or inspired by, Marxism, or any other kind of faggotry, people probably would be more receptive.
I'm desperately searching for the edit of OP's picrelated with the Bretonnian knight that says "I am very chivalrous".
>>537578746DEI means introducing quota in public institutions (mostly, also private, but government can't really enforce that in the same way). Socialism and (cultural) Liberalism has nothing to do with each other in a strict sense. Maybe there is an argument that "on the left" they are allied but it's as ridiculous as claiming American evangelical Conservatism is the same Libertarianism or something like that. You're just displaying ignorance rather than sharing an opinion.Also, wastefulness is not inherent to either capitalism or socialism. Neither says: Ah yes, we need to piss away taxes. Keynesian capitalists believe in things you might consider socialism. You are just too retarded to talk about these topics, yet delude yourself into thinking your words carry weight.---Going to assume this is all just bots. Nice mix of bots that can't parse together with bots that can't reason.
>>537579360Wastefulness is inherent in all institutions, but non more than government. The problem with giving government so much control is that eventually with time, it will not be a government that you approve of (See: Franco's Spain transitioning to a democracy). Governments have too few checks and balances to be trusted to this extent. Your ridiculous name calling betrays your malicious intent.
>>537579507Right, because China's public transportation is so terrible compared to free market haven, the United States. If your problem is not enough checks and balances, why not just say that?>name callingDon't be a fag, lol. If you're making a decent argument, I'm replying to it. This seems bad faith. If the argument is government inefficiency, I've already written enough about it in this thread. Enough examples that apply to privatized industries. We have the data to compare the privatization of health industries or water. Can't you admit to the varying degrees of failure due to privatization? I can freely admit that a government is inefficient but some industries just aren't better served in private hands. It has everything to do with the public interest, not with the underlying ideology.I really hope you get what I've been saying in different ways with a lot more arguments and nuance. I'm a retard but I'm not super one-sided, so at least meet me in the middle by engaging with the valid criticism of your radical anti-government position (as in: They are _always_ more inefficient and corrupt, as opposed to what I implied = sometimes).
>>537575531Aren't both words synonymous?
I want no foreign people and no jews and no womens rights. What political system is that?
>>537574916We advocated for socialism of the national variety but (You) faggots cried about that and called it racist.
>>537575004>feminine hereLying, attention seeking faggot
>>537581672>>537581853>"""we""" try to stoke ethnic tensions by supporting nazis while also supporting the ADL thus creating a polarized political landscape and feeding into our own victim narrativeThe reason kikes manipulate the far right ethno nationalists is because they're more inclined to believe retarded shit. I just made that up but ethno nationalists would've believed it. Any real American ethno nationalist is a retard who should go back to Europe, where they came from.
>>537582028Head canon
>>537574916Look up socialist communities in the US that tried socialism in it's truest form.They all collapsed in under 2 years.It turns out the "everything belongs to everyone there is no private property" doesn't actually work over time. People ended up wanting their own space and their own property and to eat more than others.
Everyone's a socialist deep down
>>537574916Socalism weakens the average person in a society. The only true answer is social darwinism but faggots and commies are violently opposed to succeeding on your own merits.
>>537582367>everyone's a communist if you think really hard about itYou are literally gay, no
>>537582223Yeah, sure. I know when I'm speculating as opposed to you. Although we have a whole range of countries israel actively lobbies and how strange it is to see 0 far left countries, lots of centrists and their fiercest supporters are far right. I wonder why. But yeah, it's still speculation.
>>537582447Ah yes, completely on your own merits. You invent your own language. Your own math. Your own health care. There is no such thing as "public". In fact, why are you using freeloading of HTML to view the website? You are such a disgusting freeloader. Open source is just a communist plot and it's not natural to share. Everything should be self-earned and you should never depend on anyone. Not even your parents. At any age. lazy ass babies.
>>537575270Given that nobody knows about national socialist economic theory and everyone thinks, after half a century of demonization, that the entire ideology constitutes being really really evil, wearing black, being schizo esoteric, drawing runes and hating browns, a ballsy political party could implement all of the NS economic model verbatim with no one really noticing
>>537574916Socialism doesn't work when shitskins are in the country or without accompanying it with harsh police state with workcamps to keep them in check
>>537574916>be lefty>hate capitalism >continue participating and changing nothing.>never stop complaining despite the opportunity to just leave.Leftists and rentoids need to go be poor somewhere else.
>>537582496Name a socialist policy you support
>>537582313All of the communes of the past 200 years don’t count. It will definitely work this time
>>537575934literally who cares, its the duty of each nation to get ahead of one another, every country "steals" knowledge from one another
>>537574916I hate how left wingers over explain a joke in a comic rendering it humerless and cringe.
>>537583371Yeah, not like colonialism didn't include stealing and slavery. Every country stole some shit, at some point, in some way, so no need to point fingers, when it comes to that.>>537583503I hate how some anons declared war on punctuation so you dont know where a sentence ends or begins or when stops being part of the preceding sentence mainly because it all flows into each other and doesnt make sense except if you want to maybe create a silly paragraph making fun of someone for being a retard like you cant even pretend it was a typo because it seems inherent to how you communicate
>>537574916hitler figured this out nearly 100 years ago. national socialism is the only answer. every migger should be burned alive in a JA TOPF incinerator.
>>537583780Sorry I don't run everything through chatgpt before posting it, faggot.
>>537583905>humerless
>>537583938Attacking grammar only proves you have no argument.
>>537584142do you really not know the difference between spelling and grammar?
>>537574916sure thang chang. low quality posts like yours rule the day. i honestly cant tell if these posts are just shit takes, stupid teenagers, pr actual shitskinned foreigners. >>537575312>so the Germans privatized large swathes of previously nationalised companiesyeah we know, and gave them to high party officials like Himmler and Goering
>>537583905Stop masking your inability to write like an adult by forcing nonchalance in writing. Shit like that mostly comes from insecurity and you either accept it or be offended like a little fag.>>537584247He does not. Bro hasn't managed his primary language yet nor is he aware of his ego fighting him on this. Not even hating on typos; I make em all the time. At this point, anon should've made some self-deprecating joke but insecure people rarely do...
>>537584408You still haven't presented an argument against my claim.
>>537576020and so did the soviets, yet the best they could do is fuck up constantly.
>>537584588What claim? Do you expect me to provide you a list of every single joke made by someone on the left, which was short and witty? Or provide a list of right wing people, who were trying to be funny but turned out to be long, boring and tedious? Yeah, nah. You gotta find someone else to be retarded with. People of all strides can be funny, witty and to the point. If you think being part of a category grants comedic powers, you're retarded. Not even all comedians are brief and witty... and that category is perhaps the most relevant one.>>537585322Soviet rocketry was impressive. Their country was corrupt, inefficient and didn't create the best situation for their citizens. Sure. But they managed to rival USA in some ways. This whole clash of ideologies cold war shit has instilled generations with ideological retardation.>"We are deciding which ideology is 100% evil and bad but you can't pick and choose single policies and aspects"-type era
>>537574916National Socialism is fiai. Socialism with class focus in multiracial empire is foolish.
>>537577637>>rant over, politics is depressing. Am I too autistic or is everyone just fucked up?yes, most of the people on this board are sexually-frustrated autists. trust me, at some point you just gotts turn it off and take a nap, let your brain stop spinning>>537585322i agree, fuck the soviets, they fucked up bigtime by not putting Bukharin in charge after Lenin died d:
>>537586236(this guy was like "what if we keep the market economy AND the tankie logo??" and somehow they were stupid enough not to put him in charge)
>>537574916>What, am I just supposed to not be hyper consumerist?Yes.
>>537585996>they managed to rival USA in some ways.thanks to Jewish espionage.
>>537587124lol, didn't the soviets have some crazy ass spies too? So did the Americans. I have no idea why you are picking a fight with nuance itself.
>>537574916Under the ancient regime, hospitals and care home were free. Louis IX often visited Hôtel Dieux speaking to the sick of leprosy.Most of social advancements were done under monarchy or by monarchists after the Revolution.Satanists don't care about you.
>>537577457Before Bill Clinton came into office.Prior to Clinton, every bill to increase immigration into the US was pushed by Republicans, two of them even had to get a veto-proof majority because the dem president at the time refused to sign it.Bill Clinton, at least among the traditional progressives and hippies, is seen as where the Democrat party went full corporate.Meanwhile Republicans still support mass immigration (that's why when they had a super majority during W. Bush's presidency they set up ICE, which sounds anti-immigrant, but you have to remember the system they shut down when creating ICE was a system that automatically targeted the companies hiring illegal immigrants).As a result, both US parties currently support mass migration, they just say different shit during the campaign.
>>537574916Give me one(1) good reason why my hard-earned money should pay for your food, housing and healthcare.
>>537589256The lesson is that heads of aristocrats have to roll for them to learn the lesson of basic human empathy.You are trying to argue for elitism. Elites exhibiting too much elitism will end up with fewer elites. Good riddance. I wonder if Elon will live to see the day.---Most people think the neurosurgeon is deserving of a luxurious life and think it's fair the plumber is getting less luxury. One sacrificed more in life to get where they are; the value of their work is higher; it's fine if there's inequality. But why does the person cheating the stock market get so far in life? Or someone who didn't even "earn" wealth by cheating and was born in wealth? Surely, these people are spoilt before they even got a chance to prove their merit.>>537590123Immigration is normal in a globalized world. The ones pushing against it are the same people who pushed for the outsourcing of jobs as the inevitability of globalization, rather than what it was, namely getting rid of all important industries for short term profits.>>5375902711. Pensions go to food, housing and health care. Some people pay more into the system than they take.2. India has extreme poverty. People are starving and dying in the street. I'd rather pay a few % extra in tax rather than stepping over a cadaver. Most people do.3. "Why do my taxes pay for X" is a stupid premise. Might as well start questioning representative democracy, which you could do, although I doubt you're able to. 4. Bad faith bot. Nobody owes you an answer. I gave one for the humans reading.
>>537574916>The right handicapped themselves by rejecting socialism when it's the key to saving the White race change my mindsoviets genocided white european populations out of existence
>>537590123The Immigration Act of 1965 was the act that changed America and flooded it with nonwhites and it was passed by a Democrat congress you lying shill. In fact before the Republicans Revolution of the 90s the Republicans hadn't had control of congress since the Eisenhower administration.
>>537574916Either you form left wing "deportations" squads and remove everyone who doesn't belong here or, stop lying to yourselves about who caused it.
>>537590585based en goed gezegt
>>537590585>1. Pensions go to food, housing and health care. Some people pay more into the system than they take.But you have to at least work to get a pension, the idea that some welfare queen or rapefugee can put nothing into the system and get the same as me is the greatest injustice imaginable.>2. India has extreme poverty. People are starving and dying in the street. I'd rather pay a few % extra in tax rather than stepping over a cadaver. Most people do.India is poor because they're retarded browns.>3. "Why do my taxes pay for X" is a stupid premise. Might as well start questioning representative democracy, which you could do, although I doubt you're able to.I fucking hate representative democracy, it's a oxymoron. You either have direct democracy or you have a dictatorship larping as a democracy.>4. Bad faith bot. Nobody owes you an answer. I gave one for the humans reading.Bots are more likely to have a soul than socialists.
>>537589033the soviet spy program was entirely overseen by jews, even the typing pool was jewish. it was ran entirely closed shop.
>>537591253Your dogma is preventing you from even trying to strengthen your position by accepting criticism of it. Go back to first principles, think about why you believe what you believe, and actually acknowledge thought-out criticism of it. If you don't do that, your entire worldview is a house of cards and the only thing keeping it in place is aggression. That's no way to be a good active citizen pushing for what they believe is best for everyone (or, at least, everyone of your race).
>>537575004based tolstoyan
>>537575270We already have corporate socialism and it's an abject failure.
>>537582028>Any real American ethno nationalist is a retard who should go back to Europe, where they came from.Say that to the third worlders who have been running roughshod on Europe for generations. We literally have nowhere to go, but they do.
>>537574916>the left: we should improve society somewhat?>how?>the left: by mass importation of the 3rd world and legalize gay marriage and teach kids about anal sex and demonize any real solutions as evil and racistWhy is the left like this
>>537574916How has that worked out in Europe?
>>537574968If you admit immigration is a problem then you admit that non-whites are a problem. If you admit non-whites are a problem then universalist socialism is by logical extension a problem, which means in turn that national socialism is the only solution, which is what we've been saying the entire time. In short, Hitler was right.
>>537574968When does it stop being capitalism when the government makes decisions on immigration, wages, and other regulations?
>>537574916>when it's the key to saving the White raceDoesn't look like it.
>>537590585>Louis XVI>lacking of empathyYou're historically illetrate.
>>537592828We're pretty much on the same wavelength. Rare to find on 4ch in my experience.>>537594458>WeUSA?>>537594821I guess you didn't pick up what I put down. We can talk about all the different forms of immigration a country like Germany, Netherlands or France has had. Then the different phases, from desperately looking for a work force after losing a big chunk of the male population up to different phases of political turmoil, which lead to political asylum seekers.Often times, it's super powers meddling in the middle east that's causing mass migration. Ironically, the same foam-at-the-mouth neocons from back in the day became "no foreign wars" Trumpers, only to then pivot again to being pro-meddling, when he decided to kidnap Maduro, who in turn is a symbol of failed socialism fr.I find it funny because I'm trying to ignore the tragedy of humanity failing itself, regardless of which system you're trying to tie to this globalized failing on our end. Shit ain't looking so hot right now (figuratively... Shit's literally hot right now).>>537594985I mean... You're inconsistent in the sense that anti-immigration isn't inherent to the left. Denmark has a social democrat government and they're portraying themselves as tough on immigration. Hence they didn't lose to the more right wing parties. If cultural liberal forces are getting too uppity and full of their own social justice theories, the left could split in factionalism.>>537595084I'm happy with some social safety in case I get into an accident. Glad the poorest aren't going in debt because of medical bills (normally) in the western part of Europe. Wages are decent for skilled workers but not as extreme as in the USA. One could earn a lot more in the USA, taken that you have decent education and skills, which lots of people are going into debt for. Whereas Finland has excellent education (both for workers as well as academia) for free. It just gets the best out of society.
>>537595649You're functionally illiterate because I've implied he was empathetic. I clearly implied it was due to the memory of the revolution fresh in his mind. But I'll give you a pass because you're a French anon speaking English.
>>537575101Every single european nation had a social safety net that is currently collapsing. Like was this a serious question? Lol this is beyond dispute at this point faggot. >>537574916You dont seem to understand, youre a degenerate nigger lover who represents everything in the world i hate. I WANT you to suffer. Maybe if I didnt literally hate you, id care if you lived or died. But I dont care that narcissists want more resources and I never will. So, FUCK OFF NIGGER.
>>537595973>One could earn a lot more in the USA, taken that you have decent education and skills, which lots of people are going into debt for. Whereas Finland has excellent education (both for workers as well as academia) for free. It just gets the best out of society.The people going into debt for school was a making of their own problem.Community college has always been inexpensive, typically half of a year's tuition at a state university, or even free.Even more recently, they chose to go to private or public schools, which they had no reason to go to or wanted an experience. Many majored in ridiculous majors or dropped out as well.
>>537574916Ay' Tone, how come in socialism there's different classes and all the people at the top have the money and power?
>>537574916>socialismyeah but only the national sort–
>>537574916You can't solve scarcity commie go back to your fantasy books
>>537596178>fearmongering on the loss of social security due to migrationIt's what I would do if I'd try to sell the population on austerity. But the 2015/2016 Syrian refugee crisis was extreme in terms of sudden migration, yet centre-right politicians were blaming the unemployed 2 decades ago, so they'll scapegoat any group for the consequences of their ideological indoctrination. As if they weren't the same fucktards who moved industries to Eastern Europe or even further to South East Asia or China. Getting so fucking sick and tired of this completely manufactured shit that we've been repeating for decades. All of this is a distraction. WAKE UP SHEEPLE.>>537596648Actually, this is a good point. I don't have the stats on it. Furthermore, I'm not sure what value it has in USA (community college degree). According to LLM: >Yes, it is possible to earn a bachelor's degree at a community college in 24 states. I'm too lazy to check it myself. It's not 100% the same as a bachelor's degree from a normal uni or college, right? That being said, adolescents get into debt for their dreams and some of their dreams are stupid and unrealistic. That's society for ya.>>537596932A lot of what you consider socialist dogma is bad fr. The question is how many "socialists" today hold on to the dogma. Most people don't really know the difference between a social democrat or a socialist. Some socialists aren't revolutionary in actions. Are they still socialists then? Meh, I think it's unimportant. Who cares about the packaging? Care about what's inside.--->btw im not a socialist>i hate ideologies and how serious people take them
>>537575497>>Yep. National socialism is a great system but it's been forever tainted because ofthe JewsThey can't bilk money out of goyim if there's a strong nationalism culture, which is specifically why they push propaganda against it so hardThey can swindle goyim under capitalism or communism which is why the two get pushed so much
>>537595973I'm also Belgian but I've lived in the USA for a long time. I hear similar things about the USA from my family there, but it's not really accurate.. medical debt isn't as widespread of an issue as it may seem. Anyone gainfully employed has medical coverage from their employer which usually covers everything past a few thousand dollars. Most private debt is from reckless spending and lack of financial literacy, like taking on credit card debt or buying a car (since cars are such a status symbol for the lower class here).The wages are as you say, though. It's why I've stayed here rather than going back to where it's much better living - I make ~3x here compared to what I'd make back in Belgium>>537597405Community college is a good option but it's a bit luck-of-the-draw. My state has really good ones, others do not. I had to go to a private university for two years to finish my bachelors degree, otherwise I would never have found an entry-level job. But higher education debt has workarounds, especially if you're a good student and are capable of working through college. It's part of the "work hard to win" mindset that America has, for better or for worse.Imo the worst problem where I live is indeed Jews. We have them really bad here, and social aspects aside (their abuse of women, questionable practices around children, and shunning of all goyim) they find tax loopholes wherever they can, drain whatever locality they infect, and profit off of everyone around them. They're everywhere in our government.
>>537574916The type of high time-preference behavior that socialism incentives is incompatible with the low time-preference values that constitute conservatism.
>>537598329Oh, thanks anon. That cleared up a few things.Aren't insurance companies really jewish with contracts though? It wasn't too long ago, when a CEO got end-of-life healthcare free of charge. For a split second, I thought Americans would've taken a very American route of dealing with insurance companies... False alarm. Sentiments changed for a few weeks and then people forgot.That being said, aren't the costs on your medical bills still inflated and dodgy as fuck? It's not just the social safety - let's forget about the poor for a second. What about the costs of it all? Belgian mutual insurances don't state the costs of an ambulance ride, but in Germany it's known and the costs are half of the USA. Even if we were greedy af, the costs for emergency services are still half of it. And the effective cost for the patient is something like 75 euros. I'm actually Dutch btw. Just living here. Also lived elsewhere in EU, so i can compare countries a bit. American ex gf was a student at the time and she was struggling with American insurance. Mainly because she wasn't covered by her parents' insurance from a certain age. It's all just messy for no real efficiency gains at the lowest level.
>>537574916>change my mindnot sure if you have one
