I'm wondering if we're in a purgatory/limbo or a temporary Hell. it kind of explains the harshness of this world. We all were theifs, murderers, rapists, slavetraders, hateful fucks, liars, cheater, or more or all.So God wipes our memories and puts us in a planet where the animals rip each other apart to survive, and we slaughter animals to survive. The planet is full of disease and death and pain and injuries. The major religions say something like>God eternally tortures (majority view)>God enslaves us>Gays go to hell for being as they were created and acting on it even if they hurt no one else and do it faithfullyAnd this planet and the religions of this planet are just God fucking with us because we were evil before we were born. Then we get our memories back and realize how it feels to go through Earth compared to Heaven or a nice universe and we actually may not repeat the bad shit.Because even a great life on earth may be a huge punishment compared to Heaven or a good universe.And the punishing us when we don't remember, won't matter once we get out memories back because it was God fucking with us because we fucked with others.Has anyone else considered this? I don't fully believe it but I've considered we're in a Hell-lite or purgatory because of the species ripping each other and eating each other, death, disease, and pain. But God still gives some kindness even in a Hell like place because he's God.Babies are born with terminal diseases and shit. What if those babies killed babies in another realm?My theory helps me understand evil, but it's just a theory. I consider it, don't believe it.
>>537587749Achievable natty?
>>537587826Yes, but only if the Covid vaccine counts as natty.
>>537587749The problem with humanity's existentialism is that we're all such arrogant cunts that we assume we innately deserve better than this and that God must be sympathetic to that plight. Newsflash, h*moids, you're not better than anything else in this universe and you don't deserve ascension beyond the mortal coil simply because you're not enjoying yourselves constantly. The universe is indifferent and God's creation is justified by its own existence. Nothing more or less.
>>537587749Kabbalists think that good can only exist because there is bad. It needs the distinction and so if you want good, you need to accept bad.It also means that if you want to create good, you can do this by doing bad. The nature of distinction allows this and more so: The more good you want, the more bad you have to do.Now combine this with the kabbalistic view that man can de facto become god and you've got yourself a mess you can't get out anymore.
>>537587749There's a theory that Jesus already returned and we are living in Satan's little season now
or there was no past life and no wipe of memories but we were set up to experience in life the consequences of evil so that when we do go to heaven we won't act out or rebel. and the ones who will can be filtered out and not let into heaven in the first place. and thats why its heaven, because no evil allowed and everyone there knows intimately the consequences of evil.
>>537587749>anon rediscovers gnosticism
No, it's not hell at all. In fact it's very close to being a paradise.When people simply decide to do something about their shitty situation, misery is as good as over.People need to tell every large control scheme, religious systems, banks, governments, etc.. and every person associated with them to fuck off or kill them.Basically the planet needs a large scale genocide of lesser humans and shitty people and it'll be all good from there on out.But even in this era of free mass information, people still latch onto the oppressive systems like they're the only friend and answer people have, defending them and wanting them around.
We aren't all on the same plane.Earth is different level of "hell" depending on what you did in a past life.You can't say a kid who gets raped then gets cancer and dies is on the same plane as a rich man with pussy lining up outside his door, yet both exist here.
>>537587749God and religion is fake, dumb nigger faggot. Honestly, religion kikes need to be fucking gassed. I'm so tired of you stupid niggers. Honestly, how fucking stupid do you have to be? We aren't the same. You're not even human.
>>537588110well that's retarded>you can't have white bread without brown breadsure you canthe idea that all bad you do will be balanced by good somewhere else sounds absolutely random and insane. as if holding open a door for a man on crutches will create some kind of magical force that causes someone else somewhere to kick someone in the nuts for no reason to balance it out. absolutely fucktarded. >sorry i kicked you in the nuts dude, my leg just moved on its own>no worries guy, some retard probably held the door open for a cripple somewhere or something, it had to balance out, not your fault
>>537587749>Hands on godI see your spirital depth is equal to most normie retards. Poincaré’s Recurrence Theorem - A drop, a bucket, an ocean, a universe—they all have an edge. They all have a measurable volume. Even if you take the number of atoms in the observable universe and multiply it by a trillion, you have still compressed that number into a finite container. Against infinity, that unfathomable number is exactly equal to zero. If an infinite system just keeps running, it doesn't just play itself out—it plays itself out an infinite number of times, in every single possible configuration, down to the absolute atom. You live in a sandbox, playing out all possible reality forever as a fragmented conciousness of the whole. Enjoy, you are literally here forever.
>>537587749No, this is hell and you’re here forever
>>537587749>Has anyone considered thisYes, many. It doesn't get discussed often because no one has any idea what to do if that was to be true. So it's kinda pointless to discuss, because no one can imagine how to fix this or escape or whatever.I do find it quite probable. It would be the cruelest punishment ever, since no one tells you you're being punished, there was no judgment (that you can remember)Fascinating really, but pointless.
>>537587749I mean, everyone falls for the Good Place twist, there has to be a reason.
Yes, try to wake up and remember to escape.
>>537588514It makes me not hate God because even if people say it's a paradise for the richWhat about the insects that get brutalized? I think God cares about every creation. Maybe they killed their friends with sentience and get punished.Or the rodents that are killed.Or the animals that are killed.Or the children born with horrible crippling or fatal diseases.It makes more sense that we personally did something to deserve this shit, than our great ancestor disobeyed a command as simple as eating a fruit they werent supposed to, so everyone has to experience evil, because people ate a fruit.What if we all did far worse than disobey a command to eat a fruit? And especially did worse than be born after our great great-great-great-etc...acestor ate afruit they werent supposed to.But I have no proof, just a thoery that makes sense to me and makes this world seems more fair.We did far worse than exist after someone else sinned to deserve pain.
>>537587749First, Hell doesn't mean what you think it means.Hellhttps://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/529202923/#q529205344The condition of the deadhttps://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/529202923/#q529205399God's attitude of burning people alivehttps://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/529202923/#q529205433According to the Bible, when people die they cease to exist. They go to oblivion, nothingness and permanent unconsciousness. That's hell, permanent non-existence.
>>537588564I didn't fall for the twist. That show was much better than I thought it was going to be
>>537588395> the idea that all bad you do will be balanced by good somewhere else sounds absolutely random and insane. It's not about balancing good and bad, but good only exists when it's seperated from bad. When good and bad are mixed, then there may be no bad, but also no good. But since you want good, you have to accept bad.If you then do not believe in god, which is the arbiter over good and bad (as humans we can only guess), then you are either lost, or you have to resort to kabbalah. Kabbalah will then give you godlike powers, which means you have the power to know what bad is and then enact on it so there is good.> well that's retardedIt truly is. But that's esoteric Communism
>>537588171One of the most popular types of anons on this site for last eight years or so
>>537588222>people needYou're a kike or a retard falling for masonic memes.Your opinion is worth shit.
>>537587749>I'm wondering if we're in a purgatory/limbo or a temporary Hell.Yes this is hell because I am now surrounded by horrendous brown people, there is no worse fate than brownoid exposure everywhere.
>>537588839What memes would those be?I don't think that telling masons and all other organizations to fuck off is very masonic.
>>537588895>meme magic>socererCompletly kiked and hopeless.
>>537587749>(((the major religions)))This is why you people are called Christcucks.
>>537588130How can he return when he never existed? Grow up
>>537587749Plenty of people have considered that. I'm a Christian, so I believe that a benevolent creator created this world and that evil arises from sin.We enter sin when we turn away from the true god, in my opinion. Eternal life is possible when we turn towards the true god, but sin spells death and oblivion for your soul (which I can't imagine isn't painful or scary)I also believe that a spiritual war is constantly being waged over the fate of every human soul. I believe the true god created all-knowing, incorporeal spirits to carry out its will on Earth but that some of those spirits rebelled against the true god, and I believe those warring factions of spirits are fighting over our souls, aiming to turn us either towards sin or the true god.From my point of view, repentance (literally "turning away" from evil) and theosis (following the true god and drawing closer to it) amount to purging sin from my soul. You could say that this life is a sort of purgatory, but I wouldn't call it Purgatory if that makes sense.I
>>537588939What fucking meme magic? I didn't mention anything like that in my post you idiot.If you're referring to the picture triggering you and resulting in this knee jerk reaction, that wizard picture is just about opting out of society, which is the best course of action in a system like this.Fucking hell man, you function like a leftie.
>>537588717>It makes more sense that we personally did something to deserve this shitYeah.. Even the most (supposedly) fortunate people seem miserable, and everyone keeps going saying to themselves "hey, at least I'm not that other guy" then everyone (no matter how much luck, fortune or knowledge they had) eventually dies without understanding what the fuck was anything about.It's sad for those who think about, so I try not to think about it and distract myself with whatever I can, while trying to get more money for more distractions, until you know.. the music stops.
>>537587749>Has anyone considered this?nope, you're the first
>>537588781good can easily exist without bad. its just harder to notice good exists if you dont notice bad exists. good could literally just be the absence of bad as without bad everything is good by default. you might need bad exist to appreciate good if you're a moron who can't even imagine bad, thats about it. i agree with you they're retarded, kabbalah is baby midwit elementary school level slop overconfident arrogant schizo level philosophy.
>>537587749>it kind of explains the harshness of this worldit's not harsh. it's just nature. things die all the time in the animal world - "murdered" - but we don't see it that way because they aren't human. your error is that you believe in God and thus believe in some ultimate good/evil, which is just plain false. there is no good and evil. humans kill each other because evolution demands that we do.you must learn to see things for what they are and not how you want them to be through the lense of religion.
>>537587749Congratulations on reinventing New Testament Christianity. Sin is described as a basically anvoidable corruption of an embodied spirit by the natural world. The only difference is that if you lean toward Old Testament, you'd view it as unintentional, and if you lean toward Gnosticism, you'll view it as an intentional move from a lesser deity, but both camps reject the malevolence on the part of the greater God.
>>537588130There is another part to this theory: in Revelation 20:5 it talks about ressurecting the "rest of the dead" after the 1000 year kingdom. It is a far reach, but some interpret this as anyone who did not get a fair chance at knowing Jesus, whether they died as an infant, were born before Jesus's time, or lived in a place that hadn't heard of him and what he did... those are given a fair second chance during Satan's Little Season. The heavy push for abortion is satan's way to prolong his rule. We could be the "rest of the dead".
>>537587749If you ever had a near death experience you will start believing you are actually dead and you are in limbo.
If you ever tried to seriously commit sudoku, but you backed off at the last second, or the rope broke etc., then the chances are you're already dead.What you have been experiencing since then, no matter how long ago it seemingly happened, is a product of your dying brain, trying to give you a meaningful closure. However, your neurons are dying fast, which will manifest as increasingly irrational world around you i.e., the clownworld.I'm sorry. It will end sooner or later.
>>537589030Ok satan
>>537587749Meanwhile
>>537587749>Are we in purgatory/limbo? Has anyone considered this?Yes, if we are souls that have descended, then we are living in the underworld.
>>537587979And you base this on your own faulty arrogant perspective? Seems self-defeating to me.>>537587749We are in a fallen world, good things exists but much has been corrupted. God doesn't eternally torture people, they are thrown into the lake of fire, this is the second death. In the first death we simply go to sleep until resurrection, in the second death the sleep is eternal.
Yeah it's OP I've had several almost deaths>Looked like I was withering away from hard drug use as I recorded myself to see if my mom could tell I was on drugs or something, I passed out right after recording and I woke up and was 20-30 lbs heavier and tan instead of a pasty sunken eye in skeleton>tazzed by 2 tazers at once by the cops after quitting hard drugs and woke up in a psych ward I thought I may have been in heaven because I thought angels were talking to me through people telling me to try to be good, being good is cool unlike how I thought binging on 4chan and hard drugs>attacked by a pitbul and the thing tried to maul me for 5 minutes straight but seemed to have an invisible leash around it's neck>tried to commit suicide by eating what I thought were deathcap mushrooms in the park>got my head stomped into the pavement in jail by a bunch of guys who looked like white supremacists and i resisted getting in the shower as grown men who knew how to fight sucker punched me in the head and kicked me in the head when i was down I thought they were trying to kill meI've wondered if I died one of those times and God is merciful enough to save us from death, but force us to live our life to learn the needed lessons. Like if I was in a purgatory and you're all angels lying to me forcing me to finish my life on earth on a earth mimic because>no shortcutsWhat also explains me not dying is God protecting me and I didn't actually die.
>>537588110Good needs bad as much as a White village needs Indians. It's a false comparison.
>>537592352Bullshit
>>537587749If you cannot familiarize yourself with history, read through the sanitized softening and narrative, you would be able to realize in about 5 seconds you are living in the most comfortable, safe, and peaceful time in history
>Are we in purgatory/limbo? Has anyone considered this?I think so. Even as a kid I felt this way. I felt like I am here as punishment, like a spiritual time out.
>>537587749If this is hell it's not so bad. If it was purgatory I feel like there would be more instruction or guidance towards acts of contrition.
>>537588110>It also means that if you want to create good, you can do this by doing bad.So, all out war where everyone is killing each other, starving, and disease ridden is the best thing that could possibly happen? By this logic, everyone should aspire to become demons for the greatest good.
>>537592405I base it on pattern recognition
>>537588110The CONCEPT of good and evil are dependent upon each other, while the PRACTICE of these concepts are not related.
>>537588130Time doesn't exist in eternity. The patch to remove evil has already been running. We are just on a laggy server from our POV. Whenever God talks about this its in a past, present, future tense.>5 And He said: 'Incline your heart to every word which I shall speak to you on this mount, and write them in a book in order that their generations may see how I have not forsaken them for all the evil which they have wrought in transgressing the covenant which I establish between Me and you for their generations this day on Mount Sinai.From Moses point of view the covenant hasn't been made yet and God is telling him exactly how it will go into the far future.
>>537592806Ah well, what's true is that we don't deserve better, but what's also true is that we do rightfully recognize that things ought to be better. This is where grace comes into the picture.
>>537588134Free will to see what kind of hearts we have. Many people are evil without demonic influence but simple lack of compassion. The fallen angels had no one to influence them but each other and they sunk far in their corruption. Their Nephilim spawn are another matter. Pure abominations.
>>537588717What if their was only 144,000 sentient people in the world, and the rest were NPC's.Religion is fake and gay, you can prove it by looking at a history book and asking if at any point in time God put a stop to it.
>>537587749Maybe.Loves is something I see only other people who aren't me have.
>>537588717>Eve eats apple to understand what evil is>The world now introduces evil into its ecosystem>God changes the world so things die so evil won't be immortal>God has a hard time limit for this fallen state before removing the evil and renovating the world (a new Heaven and new Earth). Things no longer die.>God separates what is evil and what is good based on what people are attracted to. Good rejects Evil while Evil indulges.Seems logically consistent
>>537587749I must be a genocider then kek
>>537588781Sounds like something bad people say to be let into the gated community."Without diversity your country will die"
>>537591631The 3rd dimension probably seems very weird after experiencing higher dimensions. We are living at the bottom of a spiritual ocean in fleshy space suits.
>>537592406I believe you anon. We've been conditioned by stories that the world is one way but I believe everyone has had experiences they can't explain that gave them the opportunity to see the hand of God moving in their lives or choose to ignore it.
>>537594091Even you, dear anon, regularly view the 3rd dimension with a four dimensional perspective. You do so every time you view a still photograph.Maybe that's why you don't like the way you look in pictures.>>537593359God saw what he made and called it good. It's arrogant humans trying to put human values onto a non-human idea/entity. You might stop it because you think it's "Le bad," but who are you? Not God.
>>537592577Have you ever actually read a book in the Bible from start to finish? Pick one of the new testament letters that are like four pages long, total. Tell me there isn't guidance.>"yeah, but I want guidance for my specific circumstances in life"Ask AI, and it'll direct you to what you're looking for.
>>537587749I wonder it often
>>537594552God is far more terrible than any chapter in a history book or any devilish trick. The Bible says to fear God - and receive wisdom - and crush Satan. Not reduce God into a teddy bear in the sky Nice Guy wish machine and thereby give power to the adversary. Beware of false teachers.
>>537587826Kek
>>537587749Man you are such a fucking faggot.
>>537587749>Gays go to hell for being as they were created and acting on it even if they hurt no one else and do it faithfullyThink you're clever for slipping that in there, eh faggot? No one is born wanting a cock in their ass just fyi
>>537587749Its so easy to look at the terrible things but what about the good? Theres a lot of beautiful things in our world, cant you see it?
>>537587749This is discussed here on at least a weekly basis and been like that for years.Simulation hypothesis. Bible story is easy to interpret this way, e.g. the original sin. Also, many here are gamers and gamers are familiar with the idea of virtual world in a virtual reality and tend to expand to the so-called "real" world. Matrix movie is a top meme source here.
