Eventually UBI will have to be implemented in the west since there's no actual way to live in america anymore and have basic necessities. People cant even afford to go to the grocery store. To cook a meal for 1-2 days costs $40 for the ingredients. You are better off doordashing a meal from a restaraunt for $30 and make it worth your meal.90% of jobs are ghost jobs online when you submit your application and if its not, it will just be scams or data harvesting by AI or indians.Most apartments are $1800+ in rent now and need 700 credit scores minimum pricing out the majority of people in america.Even if you somehow inherit money, like $600-700K USD, you're still poor in america unless you get into AI right now and even then its not guarantee you'll be able to live..
>>537591890AI makes most people obsolete and useless, and billionaires own the AIs.why would billionaires share their profits with useless eaters like you?you will probably be genocided in the coming years, there will be no UBI as nobody needs useless eaters to reproduce and waste precious resources that could go to AI instead.
>>537592132>why would billionaires share their profits with useless eaters like you?Because 95% of the american adult population owns own of these with a stockpile of 500-800 bullets and the supplies to clean their own rifles.
I was rich before covid now Im broke.
>>537592317they will use FPV drones, these make your weapons useless.a guy from 30 miles away can blow you up easily.
>>537592317>can't afford food>can somehow afford a 1.5k rifle and thousands of dollars worth of ammoLmao, just that your bullets bro problem solved
>>537591890Get a job jeet and stop shitting up this board. Nobody wants to give you your gibs. UBI is literally retarded and you're a nigger if you want it.
>>537591890Fucking Communist
>>537592515*just eatWeird lag spike
hey man keep making this thread over and over like you're repeating some magic spell to make it come true, I'm sure it's going to work
>>537592449They cant control burning cities. Ukraine not all the population is armed. America is the most armed place on earth with fragile supply lines. A lot of the soldiers and population live decentralized on their own farms with their own communities.If america were to go through war, it would collapse from chaos.>>537592515Actually they are worth like $300.
>>537592664they just fly an FPV drone directly into your ass and split your obese body in half.its not complicated.you are useless and a liability and they have a better replacement already in production.useless eaters have no future.
>>537591890So you think the government will just give you enough to comfortably live? Why would anyone work again?Also: Fuck i copy and pasted something else.... Please someone link the pic of asmongold with the jew hat and hair. Cant find it anywhere
>>537592664>liberal doesn't know how expensive guns areColor me shocked, I bet you never even held one faggot. I'd willingly join the rich against your revolt, and the Geneva Convention does not apply to mercenaries so I'll have lots of fun making you scream as you die.
Most tax revenue comes from income tax and payroll tax (AKA the bottom 90% of people working for wages)Corporations avoid paying taxesThe top 10% avoid paying taxesThe first thing the government cuts from the budget are social services and welfareUBI will not happen.
>>537592732Ukraine is majority rural fields with no cover in the current battlefield.America is not all rural and lots of urban areas would be conflict zones.FPVs wouldnt work as well. Washington DC would be a warzone.
>>537592845Wrong again Jerome
>>537591890at the moment we still have elections, so people can always vote for something different.
>>537592317Right, because your weapons have availed you so far already.
>>537592872FPVs work very well everywhere. its the perfect weapon to kill useless eaters with.they can also use drones to spread anti personal mines or set buildings remotely on fire.>Washington DC would be a warzone.and the useless eaters would die in there in huge masses.
>>537592845UBI will happen. it must or society will collapse, especially with the incessant AI push.
>>537593004>brit talking about weaponsHa, you got your butter knife loicence bong?
>>537593004Im saying if everyones homeless eventually people will revolt. Epstein and trump or iran or whatever else doesnt concern people because it doesnt effect them.When the spics or the niggers dont get their rent for free and their family food assistance things will get chaotic. When whites can no longer afford rent and or groceries, they can no longer afford bread or circuses, things will get crazy.Either UBI or collapse eventually because of AI.
>>537592317You won't do shit. You never did in newer history and you will not start anyting any time soon.The Elite literally sex trafficed minors on an island and there is solid proof. And still. Nothing.YOUWILLNOTDOSHIT
>>537593101You're overthinking it. The undesirables need food to live, and they can't get a job to afford food with. You wouldn't need to execute them, just increase the price of bread and watch the problem sort itself out.>>537593185The only thing keeping the UK from becoming an open warzone is that the deadliest weapon any brit has to hand is sarcasm. What's your excuse?
>>537593290People will do shit when they cant afford to live. If spics in america are willing to risk prison to riot about ICE, americans are willing to riot about gas prices and grocery/rent prices
>>537592955You're a midwit. That's not the top 1% of WEALTH, it's the top 1% of INCOME. The top 10% of WEALTH do not have a traditional income. Most of these tech billionaires take $1 salaries (Zuckerberg, Ellison, Jobs, Musk, etc). Because they get paid in stock options, and because they want to take advantage of low INCOME tax benefits.They have large holdings of assets, mostly stocks, that they use as collateral to take out large preferential interest rate loans from Wall Street. They do NOT collect a paycheck (with income and payroll taxes) and they do NOT sell their stocks (with capital gains taxes). They pay NO TAX.The chart you have posted with the Top 1% of INCOME are doctors, lawyers, dentists, VPs, university administrators, etc. They get a paycheck every two weeks. They pay more taxes than Elon Musk ever has or will.
>>537591890Dismantle socialism. Roundhouse kick socialism. Throw socialism into a dumpster fire. Throw socialism into the sewer. Ridicule socialism. Make socialism wear a clown hat. Write books about how socialism sucks. Press your goverment not to support socialist countries and institutions. Do not buy anything from socialist economies.
>>537593539>open warzoneWhat with exactly? Your spoons? British people are all faggots and you're a shining example.
>>537592132And so will you
>>537592132AI makes useless people useless in the economy.. Real people with real skills will survive
>>537592317How press my country to legislate for the population to be allowed to owin guns?
>>537593566>people will do XYSee, you are sitting on your arse talking shit on an internet anime basket weaving board about theoretical scenarios and how people will flipYou will not do shit. You just will not and you well damn know it.
>>537593651Look how angry this nigger is, got proven wrong and he's seething about it lmao>n-noo I meant wealth not income even though I said income!>r-rich people bad!Kill yourself faggot peasant, useless eater.
>>537593212>>537593566Hungry, poor, divided people don't make good revolutionaries. Remember when they rioted about ICE nothing happened, and when you riot about grocery prices nothing will happen.
>>537593651>Most tax revenue comes from income tax and payroll tax (AKA the bottom 90% of people working for wages)>Corporations avoid paying taxes>The top 10% avoid paying taxes>The first thing the government cuts from the budget are social services and welfare>UBI will not happen.Your words nigger, sorry you're wrong
>>537594012I got these for 1,20 euros today. I will not riot for grocery prices.
I'm gonna skip ww3 out at sea on a boat like this with a water purifier, solar panels, a windvane steering system, and a horizontal mounted wind turbine.I would shoot pirates cause Americans are allowed to have guns in their boats.*raises red flag* YARR NO QUARTER
>>537594012What exactly do you want me to revolt against? I live very comfortably, maybe because I'm not a literal toddler angry someone more successful than me has more money.
>>537591890>UBI is inevitableOh boy! I can't wait to starve.
>>537591890UBI is already implemented in Canada at least for immigrants. They get allowances ontop of their income for the job they got thanks to their work visa.
>>537594094Man i really miss these. Southern Europe has vegetables not comparable to what they slop into the shelves in nothern Europe.
>>537594094Greece is a first world living standard country, america in comparison is third world.The average american is poorer than the average greek in daily life. The average american cant even afford a grocery bill or an internet bill or their phone bill. They cant even afford to fill their car up. They go to their job with less than $50 in their bank and can barely afford a meal at work.Then when their $2000 a month paycheck comes in after taxes, $1600 goes to rent immediately. >>537594012>Hungry, poor, divided people don't make good revolutionaries.>lol, lmao
>>537593907I said "the top 10%." YOU interpreted that as income rather than wealth because you are a midwit parroting the same line about income taxes. You even rushed to an AI chatbot to shit out a table for you. Just admit that you learned something new today about the tired propagandic lies you have been fed about Musk and Zuck paying taxes, when they in fact pay nothing at all.
>>537594302If you think you're going to have a whites only uprising against the global elites, you've already lost.
>>537594302>the delusionHoly shit you really are a redditor aren't you?Nothing you've said is true lmao I have zero difficulty doing any of that and you think everyone has a 1.5k rifleGet out of your echo chamber and touch grass you communist faggot.
>>537594389You can get them even cheaper than $400, $250 if you build it yourself like a lego kit.
>>537594367Nigger we can read what you wrote and you did not say that:>Most tax revenue comes from income tax and payroll tax (AKA the bottom 90% of people working for wages)You're literally talking about tax revenue and you're literally wrong. I didn't use any chat bot, I did what anyone with half a brain (which you don't even have) and googled it.Lmao, the absolute cope on this faggot
>pussyclown just saying random numbers
>>537594471That's a knock off and its literally garage. But hey, I guess thats the communist MO for weapons. Have fun when it misfeeds and blows your arm off.Doesn't change the fact nobody but the usual suspects who fail at life are having trouble with bills.
>>537594214You are entitled biblically to 10% of whatever a farmer leaves in their field. Most food that is cosmetically unappealing is rejected for markets.There's should be a 10% flat tax rate for property. That way society is entitled to 10% of whatever land/water produces from privateers.Also we waste so much food, so if you have goats or pigs, you can feed them garbage from supermarkets or apple cores, and banana peels. If we were to be biblical with fiscal budgeting that's>In fiscal year (FY) 2025, the U.S. federal government spent $7.01 trillion to $7.04 trillion, depending on the source7,000,000,000,000 x .1 = 700,000,000,000/300,000,000Every American should get 2,333$ a year.
>>537594302You. Are. fucking. brown.
>>537594882The average american teen has no money, lives on their parents zelle who is also poor but inherited money that can barely pay their bills, and they constantly are poor due to filling up their car with gas, insurance, $80 phone bills, $150 grocery bills and poor jobs and 10 hour part time $11/hr wage they are forced to work either on doordash or using klarna to buy things.In comparison the average greece or german teenager gets payed by the government, can go shopping, can afford food and has cheap fiber internet to game on all day.
>>537592317Better act before you're up against the drone swarms, etc. that you will never ever defeat.
>>537595139>payedBrown confirmed
>>537594500You struggle with reading comprehension. I'll go through it again in more detail.Most tax revenue comes from income tax and payroll tax. Income tax and payroll tax come from paychecks. The bottom 90% by WEALTH collect paychecks. This means everyone from burger flippers to vice presidents. This is why I said "the bottom 90% of people working for wages" as opposed to the top 10% who DON'T collect wages.Corporations avoid paying taxes. They accounted for 6% of federal tax revenue last year. They paid $210 BILLION on $4 TRILLION in profits. So a 5.25% tax rate. The lowest income tax bracket is 10%, for comparison.The top 10% by WEALTH avoid paying taxes. The top 10% of WEALTH do not have a traditional income. Most of these tech billionaires take $1 salaries (Zuckerberg, Ellison, Jobs, Musk, etc). Because they get paid in stock options, and because they want to take advantage of low INCOME tax benefits. They have large holdings of assets, mostly stocks, that they use as collateral to take out large preferential interest rate loans from Wall Street. They do NOT collect a paycheck (with income and payroll taxes) and they do NOT sell their stocks (with capital gains taxes). They pay NO TAX.Now if all of your bitching hinges on the fact that you interpreted "the bottom 90% of people working for wages" as meaning "excluding the top 10% of people working for wages," I am sorry. But I argue that in context it's extremely obvious what I meant, given that claiming the "the top 10% of people working for wages" pay no taxes is demonstrably false.
>>537593539yes they will starve them too of course and then finish them off with drones when they try to fight back.
>>537591890You’ll figure it out, men always do.
>>537591890UBI is impossible
>>537595290Not even with drones. Just police. If some cops get killed, that's just a wage they don't need to pay anymore.
>>537595272Tldr, don't care you literally said most tax revenue comes from the bottom 90%, which is literally false. I know ESL communists like you don't understand so its a waste of time responding.Cope and seethe nigger, its not the rich's fault you're poor.
>>537595506policing will be done by AI too.comply with what the drone says or get blown up.
>>537595195Nobody will have to act up, people will just chimp out and riot so theyll have to pay people food or something to live so everyones not on the street because of AI.UBI has to happen. Musk even admitted it. UBI is going to happen whether redditors like it or not.
>>537595572Most tax revenue coming from the bottom 90% by wealth is objectively true. I don't think you know what you are trying to say anymore. You just want to say "nigger faggot" online like a teenager.
>>537591890>no actual way to live in america anymoreSo you want Wiemar but with no guardrails? Lovely.>>537592317>owns guns>doesn't hunt own food>doesn't even forageNGMI
>>537595350see>>537594794You only would get 197 dollars a month with ubi using the current fiscal budgeting, which is enough for food. Housing is already a scam, and landlords are engaged in speculation and price arbitrage of property costs and rent. It's tied so strongly to the bond market that megacorporation like blackrock buy up property as part of their "asset portfolia"These companies and the retirement pensions tied to the housing market are why the price of homes is artificially high and why there's more empty homes to people in the united states>National Totals: In 2023, there were over 14.8 million empty homes in the U.S., with 640,894 people confirmed as experiencing homelessness on a single night. So housing and food are easily accomplished, just some rich people will have to relinquish their 4th or 5th property.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_effect
>>537595746You got proven wrong and you're still acting like you're right. That's a nigger if I ever saw one.Sorry I'm not jealous like you are of successful people. I'm sure acting like an illiterate ape online is doing wonders for you.I hope they do avoid paying taxes as you fantasize about. Based. Better going towards shit that matters than your gibs.
>>537591890Browns and blacks are already getting their lives subsidized, no money left for whitey. Ubi will never exist, they will sooner cull the population than let useless eaters live for free, after all its much safer to be an "elite" if you dont have to worry about a bunch of useless eaters threatening your life, easier to just kill them all.
>>537595815Trump couldve built soviet blocks, For 300 billion they just gave to iran, how many people do you think he could've housed?At least a couple million americans if they can get each block down to 2 million per piece and they start gestapo deporting all the birthright illegals with new laws so they self deport.The rest is just keeping people fed with internet and gaming. If they dont implement UBI and remove all the immigrants from society through law, by being a drain on the US, The US will never achieve greatness like china has.
I think home owners should pay the tax assessed value of what they are trying to sell their homes for, so they jew themselves. Like house owners should pay the exuberant tax prices for their failed investment strategies. I bet the state with the highest property taxes has the less unoccupied homes.
>>537595815You aren't entitled to the boons of another's labor, even if that labor happens to produce a sub-par surplus. It's common that farmers compost what isn't sold and even sub-par fruits/vegetables often get sold, so you are just a thief in the end.
>>537595697Nah we won't even get police bots. You'll still have regular human police, it'll just be AI telling them what to do. Robots will never actually be cheaper than wagies.
Everyone against this is a faggot. Plain and simple.
>>537596241But I am, they live in a society. In a society a person is required to pay taxes on real estate and labor using a natural resource. Onlyfans for example should not be taxed cause prostitution relies on self-employment.See? Like the fact we tolerate our extortion of a share commodity such as land means that whoever is owning it must pay tribute back to the society which permits that right to do so.When you use land/water for grazing, agriculture, or other economic activity you are opted to pay tribute to the local government of peers. If the value of land is too great, than a person must justify the value of their labor to utilize the resource as whatever is most economically efficient.People should also be taxed on their liquid assets. Whereby people who hold money are required to pay it back to society or else society takes it. Money does no use sitting in account whereby instead it could be used to building a company or employing people for private projects.So onlyfans women should be taxed based on how much of their money is not being spent towards grocery shopping, housing, car, and other essentials and then spend whatever is left on building a deck, or planting a orchard on a plot of land. So people are incentivize to produce goods and labor.If we give people free food, they can make recipes and open restaurants for profit.
>>537595890I don't really care that much about the conversation you two are having but at a glance-through, it seems you fail to understand simple volume and your opponent fails to understand the "top 1%" are taxed in EVERY SINGLE tax bracket. Idk, you might not understand the latter either...
>>537591890>>537592392>>537592572UBI is the result of>government, put money in random locations
>>537591890I'm ok with UBI if we first remove all the jews and their brown pets.Only way it will actually work.
>>537592132>AI makes most people obsolete and useless, and billionaires own the AIs.Ever heard of a thing called 'bread and circuses', retard? You keep a populace content with those two things. If you don't, bad things generally start to happen
>>537591890How does any of that translate into "UBI will have to be implemented"? They could just round up poor people, shred them into pulp and distill gasoline from it to run more datacenters.
>>537592317Americans would never use their guns against the government, they are too fat and docile.
>>537591890UBI is a communism for millennials.
>>537596945The top 1% by WEALTH are not taxed in any income tax bracket, because they have no income, as I have explained very clearly. Tech billionaires collect $1 salaries, have all of their wealth in equities, and don't even have to sell those equities (thus triggering capital gains taxes) because they can simply borrow against their holdings when they need cash. Billionaires pay NO TAXES AT ALL.The wealthiest people who pay taxes are those who collect 6 and 7 figure salaries. They are rich but not in the top 1% net worth bracket.
>>537591890It's never going to happen. Besides, it's only impossible for losers to afford to live. Most people already work for a living and live well.
>>537595350You can cut that in half or 40% because half the country or a large part of the country are hispanics who werent here 30 years ago. They have no lineage. Even blacks have a historical claim since their ancestors fought in the civil war and were freed slaves.They are all here on false pretense and fake citizenship as invaders en masse.
>>537597486They can't simply "borrow against their own holdings", a transaction has taken place even if reinvested right away and therein lies a tax as money changed hands. What you are describe is them leveraging equity they built to gain a loan but loans are still taxed as income, it is functionally no different to a pleb leveraging their paid-off vehicle to get a bank loan. The only real difference here is that the richfag has 30+ cars to leverage versus your ONE but they built that, you didn't or have yet to.
>>537591890If it's inevitable, why do commies shill it so hard?
>>537592317Buzzzzzzz KABOOM kekaroo I don’t see how those things are going to help much with the autonomous fpvs hunting and killing us. We have picked the worst timeline for ourselves
>>537598199Personal loan income is non-taxable. You do not even report it on your tax returns. This is simply a fact.
>>537592317Burgersharts - like yourself - would rather shoot themselves and their family than to aim those at billionaires.Don't wanna do a socialism!
>>537592132>you will probably be genocided in the coming years, there will be no UBI as nobody needs useless eaters to reproduce and waste precious resources that could go to AI instead.absolutely this.I expect>UBIto turn into>UBC (universal basic compute)which is a government paid program of giving every citizen a (mandatory) subscription to the most basic bitch tier of one of the approved AI vendors.If a human can't create abundance for him/herself with all that intelligence basically at their fingertips, then that persons eventual starvation is seen as justified.Yep, I believe it'll come to this.>Abundance is what you make of it.If you can't be le entrepreneurial with muh UBC then ... well... too bad sucka.I hate this gay earth.
>>537592664>They cant control burning cities.Like they'd want to. LMAO
>>537595572>>537595890Mate, just take the L.
>>537591890Nothing is going to happen.The elite want to wipe out most of humanity.They aren't ever going to do anything that benefits you. Just control access to necessities that render you dependant on them and call it "productivity".No its only getting worse from here. There is nobody coming to save you and nobody is going to make this a better place. It's just going to keep turning into a worthless brown shithole with an ever concentrating wealth class.There isn't anything about humanity worthy of love.
>>537591890This theead always comes back 5 min after the Atheist thread.GO FUCK YOURSELF COMMUNIST
>>537591890We were flirting with UBI up here until after COVID. Then, we found out it actually meant Unlimited Bharati Invasion.
do anons still not understand that UBI means you're getting it if you are working also?i'll take that untaxed income, thank you.>rising taxesstill a net win for me and most of the working class, poorer people will spend it all as soon as they get it without actually profiting.yes, it's a racket, just need to play it right.>it'll attract more leeches!breh, if they're coming for the social programs, they are on the way already, this won't make a dent on that topic.
>>537591890I can only see one real benefit of UBI. It could theoretically help repopulate dead and dying towns. Right now there's no reason to buy that $150K house in Bumfuck Farming Town, Idaho. There are no jobs there. The property is cheap there because there are no opportunities. But, if you were on UBI, why not?
>>537600616You're literally brown Achmed, and your shitty country is failing because of socialism.
>>537591890A decade ago I would've called you a retarded commie, but after watching every single western society support an unlimited horde of invading rapefugees by giving them infinite free food, housing, and discounts on luxury goods I can't even refute it. If a country can support millions of jobless shitskins for a decade then it can support millions of actual citizens for decades, and the citizens actually put the money given back into their local area instead of sending 3/4ths of it overseas to their family. We already live in an absolute clown world. Might as well hand out free popcorn.
>>537592132What’s the point of forcing people into civilization then? When permaculture takes no work outside of setting it up and I can literally just make my own shit, get a tribe based on mutual aid, why can’t I go live on unauthorized land near the beach somewhere and build a house. That’s the moral consensus for having UBI, because we’re forced to live in civilization whereas life ordinarily, with permaculture and granted that you know basic survival skills and herbal medicine could provide you a quality life with people that all have skills to contribute to it.
>>537595815You could give every homeless person a house tomorrow and in a month all the houses would be trashed. Garbage everywhere, copper ripped out, and probably 10% would have the person inside dead from suicide, overdose, or electrocution while ripping out live copper wire.Homelessness is more of a drug addiction and mental health issue than a housing cost/availability issue.We're better off with modernized mental institutions and mandatory drug treatment facilities than just giving people houses to rot in.
>>537591890Those who do not work will not live. Goodbye white socialist parasites. India will take care of america>>537592317timmy wont do shit>muh gunsand niggers still rape your women.
>>537592132>ai makes most people obsoletelolroflmao, eventhey have a very interesting time coming for them if they truly try to discard the masses all at once
>>537592132God is dead and we killed him.
>>537593105Go live under a bridge, tool. You can't even socialize health care, nobody's paying you to eat.
>>537591890Ok, but the only meat you can buy with the free credits we give you is Bill Gates' mystery meat.
I think that we'd all rather you die than pay for anyone's free ride
>>537592795He's right though, there are plenty of 300 dollar rifles that are good enough.
>>537591890hurry the fuck upI want to just sit here
>>537592845Most of what you said is just false or misleading. The bottom 90% only pay roughly 25-30% of all income taxes and the top 10% of income earners pay roughly 70-75%.
>>537601547What is the income limit of being working class? Rich get poor and poor rich, classes are a stupid interface. Income over 2-3 generations is mainly determined by character, choices, effort.
>>537604814>top 10% of income earners pay roughly 70-75%Yes, but the bottom 90% doesn't have government contract income either.
>>537591890how would such a thing be financed?
>>537606238Western nations already have a pseudo UBI, basically social welfare that costs nearly as much as just giving everyone money with light bureaucracy. The rest of the cost will pretty much come straight out of sales tax since 100% of the money given to poor people will be spent on additional consumption.
