First off, what did /pol/'s, "Great Awakening," actually accomplish? Oh yeah, it got the biggest ZioCuck imaginable and his administration of jew cum-guzzlers in control of the United States.Secondly, the internet isn't real life. To contradict something I read from American Futurist a while back: yes, most Americans just want an all-white Walmart again.>A people long accustomed to liberty will not easily abandon it.to paraphrase Machiavelli. That is definitely the case with not only Americans but every White Anglophone. Not only have we for generations lived in a free, democratic society under republican governments but literal centuries of our ancestors have fought and bled to not live under authoritarian, totalitarian and collectivizing dystopias where the rule of law is pointless and people are judged by fiat.>b-b-but none of the Anglosphere is really free now!1Yeah, do you notice that people are upset about that and have been? For decades? Do you think that's gonna course correct over night? It took almost half a century of political disputation before the ACW finally kicked off, for example.>OK OP, why is everyone sharing Nazi memes and edits then?It's counter-signalling, not a response formed by an intelligent assessment of a political ideology. White people want to stand up and regain their countries and their glory and National Socialism's aesthetic provides an expression of that. The people we've been up against used propaganda to demonize everyone against their agenda as, "Nazis," no matter how Far Right they were or weren't.It's nothing but a fuck you and kids being edgy. None of these people actually would want to live in the Third Reich or a state that embodies that ideology. We know our preferred government model can work for us and we know what conditions have to be replicated for that to happen. All of us would much prefer a return to that status quo than turning our society into an all-encompassing police-state.
>>537595891
You sound nervous.
The western world today is less free and more repressive than Nazi Germany was back then. It would be a step up in terms of freedom
Look.at 18-29.It's only going to get worse for you kikes.
>>537595891>wall of pilpul
>>537595891>All of us would much prefer a return to that status quo than turning our society into an all-encompassing police-state. It's only going to get worse too.
>>537596165Not particularly. I know what and who I am and what my beliefs are and what I stand for. I'm not afraid to stand for them even if I'm alone.Every once in a while I get the irresistible urge to show other people the way. What's gonna happen is what's gonna happen, I'm not important enough to really have any say.
>>537596277Some of us don't need a collar and a leash to be comfortable in life. We don't want to change one set of shackles for another one.>It would be a step up in terms of freedomRead a book or two. No nation that ever sacrificed freedom for security ever got either. Liberty is always dearly bought and when freely given away is never easily regained.
>>537596888Read a book or two. Have you read Mein Kampf?
>>537596482White Christians hated jews about as much as the Nazis did, even the ones who fought in the war against said regime. Just because people are waking up to ADL propaganda doesn't mean they want to surrender their civil liberties, especially not in America.Things like socialized healthcare for example sound really great on paper for example until you realize that means the government is going to then be forced to regulate>what food you eat>what you can smoke>how much you can drink>your daily activity levelAll of your self-agency will, by necessity, be taken from you and you want to roll the dice on the idea that the people you surrender total control to are always going to agree with you or be obedient to their comfort level?The very fact you think so proves only that you possess a democratic-republican spirit and not one accustomed to being ruled.
We are winning. Incrementally, inevitably, invariably, irrefutably, and introspectively.
>>537596888I don't care. I want the subhumans out. I would rather live in some borderline impoverished shithole on the Best Korea model than be free to be overrun with brown filth. Which is exactly what 'freedom' always entails; being free from the imposition of society's boundaries on your own degenereacy.
>>537596485Edits that appeal to your emotions are no substitute for a well-formed political conscience. I've shared and kept more than a few in my time. But you're basically getting your politics from your emotions alone and not your reason.
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>>537595891Asshurt kike kvetch thread
>>537597407>don’t step on snekYou’re a real good goy
>>537597055Yes. In fact it was this exact meme that got me to finally read the book when I first saw it about three days ago. I wonder how many people realize that Hitler's own political philosophy is rooted in Enlightenment ideas among these same people who also believe it was jewish nonsense from top to bottom. If you want to talk theory, the biggest problem with National Socialism is Fuhrerprinzip and what it demands and not only that but the fact that National Socialism has utterly failed to produce someone that seems worthy of that to the average American.It's been almost a century, anon. Where is the Man of the Hour? Nowhere to be seen.
>>537597174You've had 80 years to make the comeback. Germans themselves - to Hitler's own dismay - lost their faith in his vision at the very end. If they who knew the Reich's Glory have not risen to restore it, why should I?
>>537597562Denounce the Talmud
>>537597642> You've had 80 years to make the comeback. Germans themselves - to Hitler's own dismay - lost their faith in his vision at the very end. If they who knew the Reich's Glory have not risen to restore it, why should I?
>>537597190That's easy to say now, I'll assume. You are making an idol out of a man and a system that has not even materialized. This has made you horribly susceptible to getting fooled by people like Trump. How many people have come and gone in the last twenty years who promised all these things that /pol/ itself helped put in power that have not delivered?Do you really want to roll the dice on someone else who shows up and makes grand promises and has, "Aura," and sacrifice all the liberties you have left and hope that just maybe it'll work this time?Not me and not anyone else with balls.
>>537597648I denounce the Talmud and the Synagogue of Satan and all its adherents and members.Also, typo on my end - I meant three years ago, not three days.I'm only on my second cup of coffee folks.
>>537597562You’re here to attack the thing you agree with?
>>537597539My blood-and-soil is real and not an anachronism I made up from video games. 90% of you cannot say the same.
>>537597819That's a cool story bro. Only problem, of course, is that the National Socialist consensus here since 2015 is that Trump is the arch-capitalist, who made his money on land speculation and commerce with China, and half of his family is married to jews. He's just a liberal without a filter. The only pro-Trump people on this entire board are in /ptg/, and any time any of those retards steps out of their containment thread, they're told to go back.
>>537597689That all you got? Do you think I'm speaking from some lack of direct experience?I was affiliated once. I saw it on the inside and what, "the Movement," all amounted to and I am not impressed. No one who has actually been inside will be unless they're wiggers.
>>537597562So what you suggest? Woke leftism commie shit lolTimes changed Hitler is past, you are stuck in a loop
>>537595891I sense a lot of cope coming from this post.
>>537597947Can you read? Do you have the IQ to process a few paragraphs and understand the point or can you only strawman as a reflex based on what buzzwords tell your feminine lizard-brain?My issue is that I am not OK with a totalitarian state taking my liberties on the nebulous promise it will, "fix," our problems. I ask again: did Trump teach /pol/ nothing? Is Rupert Lowe gonna have to disappoint you all next before you'll realize what's being done to you by the same jews we both hate?
>>537595891So, you are "safe" because democracy is a sham?
>>537598026Still doesn't erase my point. The same Internet WigNats and NatSocs who were the backbone of this board in the /nsg/ days all were the people who helped getting Trump into the White House. There were literally leaders of major WP Orgs in the US telling people to vote for this faggot and disciplining anyone who pointed out what he really was.
>>537597642>picrelWhy did everything they do look so kino and perfect
Like everything in life, there is always a jester more jester than you.
>>537598040>equating Classical Liberalism with the Anti-Whitism we see todayGod help you break the jewish programming that has you unable to reason.
>>537598273I think who's afraid are the people who need some make-believe Fuhrer Daddy to tell them to get up and save their own altars and firesides from ruin.
>>537598500I have no time for pseudo intellectuals Have fun with your desktop politics
>>537598325The Founders never promised safety. That is what made them great men. They promised liberty and the glory of fighting for it. They didn't wait for someone to tell them to get started; they didn't even wait for money or a proper government building. They were meeting in their private homes and forming committees.
>>537598418I don't care what some pozzed retard says or did. My personal opinion and the consensus here has been the same since the beginning, that's what I'm talking about, and you haven't made a meaningful argument against it. Your strawman is irrelevant.
>>537598464The most successful psyop ever pulled on the Anglosphere was the one where the jews buried all our Kino and left you convinced that the people they are clearly not as concerned about as you think were the answer. All this has done is paralyzed people into waiting for a Fuhrer who isn't coming.Even if he was coming, the White world would revolt against him because he would take by force what civil freedoms they have left.
>>537598626Have fun being a willfull idiot.
>>537598418>WigNats>>537598555>Daddy You have had a dick in your mouth, and you’re scripting digits. Into the oven you go.
>>537598671I've made plenty of arguments. It's just that no one wants to address them. Probably because, like I have said: most of you guys' politics is compiled from video games, edits and undisciplined angst. You don't have a real coherent ideology anymore than your professed nationalism or racial identity matches reality.
>>537598813I think you're projecting.
>>537597407Kek, the lolberts got ousted from here for a reason, severe naivety or retardation and they only care about not being treaded on themselves.
>>537598860Youre entire argument essentially boils down to "I prefer globalists pedophiles erasing my ethnicity because jews made movies that said Nazis are bad"If you dont support ethnostates youre an enemy, everything else is irrelevant
>>537595891You're a raped kikeslave who votes for Republicans lol
>>537598899>doesn’t deny it>no u>is apart of a failed 10+ year effort to defeat National Socialism on /pol/
>>537598860No, you've done plenty of goalpost moving. I said I don't care about your degenerate "freedom" to import subhumans, to which you mindlessly changed the argument to Trump, as though I made an argument in defence of that orange retard, so I said I and everyone else I've ever talked to around here thinks he's a pied piper, to which you responded that actually yes I had been and then used a reference point of some tattood white trash 'neo-nazi' retards as doing some stuff, which had nothing to do with me or any point I made.You're just sliding through endless rhetorical fallacies, and when one doesn't work you just move to another. Do you understand why nobody in this thread is taking you seriously? You repeatedly go on the attack, and when it doesn't work, you ignore what they are saying and move to another vector, while not even bothering to address criticisms or arguments.
>>537599044The Gadsden is not synonymous with libertarianism and I wouldn't describe myself as one.
>>537599088I've seen cornfields with less strawmen in them than in this post.This is what I believe in and what the Founders did, too. Hitler admits to taking notes from our racial policies in Mein Kampf. Read some actual books you retard.
>>537599323National Socialism doesn't need to be defeated. It does that just fine on its own and has for eighty years.My only goal is saving my fellow Old Stock Americans from being sucked up into this stupid cult full of meth-heads and pedophiles and the Right-Wing version of Anti-White Anglo Self-Hating Masochism.
>>537599334>calling freedom degenerateNever in the history of Republicanism has the necessity of virtue and its maintenance been denied in its political philosophy. It is 100% necessary for a republic to maintain its freedom. Read Livy and Tacitus as well as Macchiavelli - grab Rousseau, too.If you think all the NatSoc posters have always had the opinion on Trump you have now you're just proving you're a NewFag Zoomie who got here some time shortly after COVID or during.I've answered all of your criticisms fine but if you wanna treat this like an actual debate and not a goddamn message board by all means: let's pick one thing to talk about and go from there.
>>537600232How has your vision of America done for the last 80 years? Are you pleased with it?>>537600163How do you intend to get us from here to there, and what policies will prevent the same subversion that happened last time from happening again?NatSoc is easy, it was bombed into oblivion by the same jewish pedophiles you love so dearly. But Democracy has no excuse, it destroyed itself while patting itself on the back. Why should we repeat the same mistakes of the previous generations? >>537600410Are we still pretending NatSoc and Trump are the same? Perhaps you would be more comfortable on Reddit, it seems more your speed.
>>537600410>newfagCool story bro. My old hard drive burned out in February 2014, so I am missing my memes from 2009-2014, but I still have everything else since.>I've answered all of your criticismsYou've answered with nothing but ad hominem, strawmanning, and goalpost moving.
>>537600232>Old Stock AmericansWhy do Republicans constantly invent these gay euphemisms? You can't even say White, you are just another faggot who votes for Lindsay Graham and JD Vance.
>>537595891>jew thinks words will save himOof.
>>537595891fascism is the wayfresh oc
>>537601076>Are you pleased with America over the last 80 yearsWhat, you mean the one that hasn't been practiced for the most part? The one Eisenhower warned everyone was coming in his farewell address? Warts and all at least for the most part it was still my home. I know that's a difficult concept sometimes for internet nationalists who hate their own nation and made up a fake identity so they can cope with their own self-hatred.>How do you intend to get us from here to there?First it's a moral and spiritual problem, not a political one. The intrinsic first issue is that we have not had a moral revival of civic virtue and appreciation for America and its founding principles in this country. That is I will contend what the jew fears the most. That is why they are happy to let the fabricated NatSoc fandom grow because they're not scared of it at all. Also, how can you say I love jewish pedophiles? You have no warrant for that. Again, it is a strawman of my position.>Democracy has no excuse, it destroyed itselfThe same can be said for every single one of the Axis powers who by their own geopolitical decision-making flew too close to the sun. Abuse does not negate proper use. America was the envy of the world for most of its history. Germany can claim no such honor, as great and noble a country as it is.>Why should we repeat the same mistakes?I'm not asking you to. I'm asking you to learn from them. No one in the Founders ever imagined an infallible and invincible governmental machine.
>>537601240Projection. I have pointed out several times that you are actually the one engaging in insults and strawmanning. I will wager it is because you lack the intellectual formation to discuss these topics.
>>537601361>invent gay euphemismsAgain, Americans prove the stereotype that we do not know our own history. This is a term that is older than the internet as a concept.Have you missed the memes I posted above saying, explicitly, the only real Americans are White ones? Here, have another one.>votes for Lindsay Graham and JD Vance.Nope, not even once.
>>537601966>derides me for writing>posts a paragraph of someone else's words because he can't formulate his own opinions from source materialThis board really is full of sub-whites and negroids now.
>>537602871>self hatredAh yes because recognizing the government is actively anti-white and run by foreign pedophiles is ACTUALLY just in my mind, right? Its actually just self hatred, and Jeffery Epstein did nothing wrong! Gtfo with that bullshit and recognize the problems we face are real >we need a moral and spiritual revivalCool, whats the time frame for that? How many millions of migrants will pour in while you put together an impotent revival program? Why havent you and your ilk done so already? And once you do institute a society wide civic revival program, whats step 2? What we need is a reform of the education system and a nationalization of private schools, but youre not ready for that. >You have no warrant for thatYou're defending the status quo. Its warranted. >Im not defending the status quoYoure arguing in favor of inaction, or for meaningless action. That is in effect defense of the status quo, which is in effect defense of the pedophile elites. >America was the envy of the world for most of its historyAmerica is an island fortress full of untapped resource deposits with no enemies on its borders and a very short history, its easy mode to be 'the envy of the world'. Not that that lasted long of course, now were synonymous with Starbucks and niggerball specifically because your ideology was incapable of dealing with external subversion. I still see no plan to get from here to there, other than an ambiguous need for a revival of civic virtue. Which in a sense I agree with, but while NatSoc has a viable plan to implement such a thing, you do not.
>>537595891>National Socialism isn't Reviving Good. It was a failed ideology, by racist leftists
>>537603104>Have you missed the memes I postedlmao this migger thinks that is enough to justify his kosher faggot politics
>>537603516Oh no, racist leftists?! I guess I support mass migration and jewish pedophiles now. At least Im not a racist leftist!
>>537595891If National socialism is dead you wouldn't be here posting this thread. But even if it was. Still worth supporting over anything you have to offer. So keep spamming 100 posts every hour.
>>537595891That's a lot of words when a crying emogi would have given the same message.
So what if it failed? Hitler was right, the SS guys were right, every fucking nazi was right. You were wrong, you ruined this world, you will burn in hell.
Glowie demoralisation thread. The white man is the future, simple as. We won under the most unfavourable circumstances in the 1920s, and we will win again. Why? Because we've only got one thing to fight and die for, an existence of white people and a homeland for white children. I have genuinely, and there's no point lying on the internet, went to a club and within 5 minutes met one group talking about the Jews, then 2 separate people talking about how much they love Adolf Hitler and throwing up Roman salutes. You fucking losers demoralised the white zoomer so far, they all became Adolf Hitler worshippers, the one group you needed that not to happen to you somehow fucked up. Good luck in the future, because there's an entire generation, and probably the next that you've totally radicalised. Let me add on to this as well, you somehow radicalised lemmings. Radicalising a free thinker is one thing, it's bound to happen, but radicalising an entire generation is something else entirely. That has rarely ever happened, let alone for National Socialism.
>>537603436>governmentIt would be one thing if you guys just hated the government and didn't decide you literally hate everything and anything American.>what's the time frame for that?Probably the same one as NatSocs getting their shit together I guess. One of these is a credible path forward and the other is waiting around for Superman to come along and show you what to do. I know, I know, revolution just isn't as fun when you don't get a snazzy uniform and fire support. I've been in the trenches way longer than you have. My views are tempered by idealism and wisdom as much as hard, embittering experience. You wanna go bet on the NatSocs there's plenty of orgs out there you can try your luck with. Don't say I didn't warn you.>You're defending the status quoBy demanding it be changed?>You're arguing in favor of inactionNo, just action you don't agree with. First lesson of activism: do not confuse catharsis with effectiveness. Doing that is how you get Charlottesville.>its easy mode to be the envy of the worldSo why hasn't anyone else done it?>your ideology was incapable of dealing with external subversion.If you wanna go there, your's was incapable of dealing with the consequences of pissing of 56~ countries at once.
>>537603568Feel free to show any contemporary liberal my beliefs and tell me how they feel about them.
>>537604340>you ruined this worldWigga I wasn't even alive in the 30s.
>>537605679Not every piece of information you don't like is jewish demoralization.As usual, Reactionaries of any kind are absolutely incapable of self-reflection and criticism.
>>537605935>jewish demoralization.Hang on mate, I didn't mention anything Jewish. Freudian slip, yeah?
>>537605775>you just hate America!Do I now? Or am I just doubtful that your vision is capable of restoring our lost greatness>One of these is a credible path forward and the other is waiting around for Superman to come along and show you what to doWhy should I put any faith in your nebulous plan to reinvigorate civic virtue? We want ethnostates. No amount of mass indoctrinaton in civic nationalism will get that done. You still havent stated what the next step of this great plan is; what happens when you successfully revive civic virtue? What then? Were still overrun with jews and immigrants who will do everything in their power to make sure you fail. How will you deal with them? >there's plenty of honeypots for you to joinReally, are we just playing pretend now? >why hasn't anyone else done itWhen they find another continent full of untapped resources and natives who haven't even invented the wheel let me knowI understand where youre coming from, I really do. I get it. But I dont have faith that your ideology has the strength to do what must be done. History shows that it does not. NatSoc does have that strength. Why should I accept the destruction of my race on behalf of your comfort? Whats in it for me? Everyone else benefits from your plan BUT whites.
National Socialism is a dead ideology best left buried in the past. But somewhere there is a strand of ethical philosophy that has its roots in the 18th or 19th century which can become the de facto elite political philosophy of the future and we really need to figure out what that is.
>>537607047China is NatSoc. So its not really dead and buried, now is it?
>>537607125You’re retarded if you really think that. Simply preferring your own people is not a de jure state nationalist socialist political philosophy. You’re confusing just being normal with the political theory based almost entirely on a made up racial mythology, the likes of which the Chinese do not believe or care about. Besides, I’ve been to China many times. China is a fucking shit hole. I could not care less what they believe or don’t. It literally means nothing to me. We’re not Chinese and God willing we will never be like them.
>>537606924You wanna suck off a guy who went from calling us all the second most-white people in the world behind Germany and then started ranting about how niggerfied and hopeless we all are after we didn't take his team, be my guest. Unlike you I am an actual coherent Nationalist. That's my biggest problem with you cunts. You would throw away our patrimony so you can go worship someone who literally died hating you.>We want ethnostates.So an ethnostate full of degenerate and selfish Whites still beholden to a Capitalistic spirit of plunder enterprise is going to be immune to the jew how? Go outside. Talk to other White people. Do you really want to try and build a Fourth Reich with them?>noooo they're all honeypotsThere you go. There's not a single legitimate National Socialist org out there today. Where are you going to get a Fuhrer from? You cannot have a National Socialist state without a Fuhrer. You'd know this if you read literature. Do tell me in who's hands I should place not only my future but my children's futures and all my obedience and civil liberties? Come on. Show me one living breathing man who is worth being the American Caesar.>NatSoc does have the strength to save usSo are we going to do that by rapidly militarizing the entire United States, forcing a people accustomed to and zealous of republican liberty, annexing neighboring countries and then pissing off the entire rest of the planet and hoping for the best? That doesn't sound like a winning formula to me - pass.>Why should I accept the destruction of my race on behalf of your comfort?Don't you mean our race, or is this the part everyone assumes I'm not white? I'm not offering you comfort. I'm offering you what you all supposedly want: heroic struggle. War, even. But you guys don't want that. You want to goose-step across the world with fire support and a marching band at your back.That's not how this works.
>>537595891This I grew up and went communist.
>>537596775you sound brown and nervous you should be
>>537607047>somewhere there is a strand of ethical philosophy that has its roots in the 18th or 19th century which can become the de facto elite political philosophy of the future and we really need to figure out what that is.lmao who the fuck is 'we'? No one cares about whatever gay political fanfiction you come up with.
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>>537607367You're very obviously a kike.Go back to /ptg/.
>>537595891/pol/ is naturally returning back to /leftypol/ unironically. What good did it bring obsessing with race for +14 years? A kike like trump at the helm, Palantir taking control of all information and piecing you together, Blackrock buying all your real estate and forcing you to live in pods, Musk amplifying the d&c in Europe while grifting all the way into trillionaire land. All while we all grow poorer and poorer in general and the kikes on top want to send us to die in pointless wars
>>537607267You're talking to a brick wall with these people. They don't actually know National Socialist political theory. Everything they know comes from YouTube, Twitter threads and TikTok Edits. They have not read one single primary source document. Most of them are probably too scared to get their hands on a copy of Mein Kampf.
>>537607504>i'm going to call you a slur mid-argument with no basis in fact because i have no rebuttalThanks.Germans didn't invent being racist. They weren't even exceptionally good at it.My people lost their great war and still kept control of their states for the most part until very recently.
>>537607584>insult trump several times>denounce the talmud directly>name the jewYes, very obviously I must be a kike.Meds, now.
>>537607678God I fucking hope not. The grass is not greener on the other wing of this bird.
>>537607882>if I say the magic words then no one will notice all the kikery I am spewingYup you are definitely a kike from (((ptg))).
>>537607709Back in the day /pol/ had daily /nsg/s and everyone was actually reading me in kampf. And i can tell you it's a pile of garbage. National socialism is long gone and it went extinct due to its own retarded principles. Race exists, but nations were farted out of existence post enlightenment and are another tool to send you to die for whatever interests the kikes at the top want. Retards who still recommend Mein Kampf need to read it themselves in the first place and understand how mundane and contradictory the whole world vision was
>>537608050Whatever man, I welcome the chance to bump my own thread for an opportunity at more discourse. I got nothing better to do for a few more hours.
>>537607367>then started ranting about how niggerfied and hopeless we all are...he was completely correct and his predictions came true lmao, do you even hear yourself>So an ethnostate full of degenerate and selfish Whites still beholden to a Capitalistic spiritPurging degeneracy and the establishment of a racial socialist state is kinda the point dude>is going to be immune to the jew how? Nationalization of private schools and youth programs did a really fantastic job in Germany, we should do that too. >Do you really want to try and build a Fourth Reich with them?Yes.>You cannot have a National Socialist state without a FuhrerWere spreading a worldview until the conditions are set for a Leader to emerge. Do you have a leader? Do you have an organization? The answer had better be yes if youre going to pearl clutch this hard. >So are we going to do that by rapidly militarizing the entire United StatesGermany had been disarmed, rearmament was a central tenet for the Germans. Were in the opposite situation, were too militarized, we need to go in the opposite direction. >forcing a people accustomed to and zealous of republican libertyHomogenous societies have greater liberty than heterogenous ones >annexing neighboring countriesAgain, were no Germany. We dont need more territory. We live on an untapped island fortress, remember? >pissing off the entire rest of the planet and hoping for the best?You mean that thing that the US is doing right now, as we speak? Lmao>I'm offering you what you all supposedly want: heroic struggle.I want an ethnostate>War, even...no, I want an ethnostate>But you guys don't want that.Correct, we want ethnostates>You want to goose-step across the world.We are actually very much against America's endless foriegn interventions >That's not how this works.It sounds like you dont know how anything works desu. Maybe you should read Mein Kampf instead of basing your view of Nazi Germany on Hollywood and Marvel Comics.
>>537608119I didn't find it especially contradictory. I found it pretty coherent. I miss /nsg/. But honestly I walked away realizing with time most of these people haven't read any of the literature and history.Lots of active clubs and NatSoc publishers push these books and manuals claiming they're authentic or whatever. A lot of them are literal forgeries from the 60s. Total bullshit. Those were probably two of the earliest chinks in my armor in terms of being a National Socialist.Do I think parts of the political philosophy are good? Yes. But I hardly adopt it wholesale.
>>537607948It's fucked in both sides but it's never going to improve with reactionary kosher-cucks taking the lead. Every single country that goes that way ends up gutted from the inside out. Anthropic, OpenAI, Google, Palantir, Amazon, Meta, these companies benefit from these far-right cuckoldry because it atomizes the individual and pits it against the other common men. And this comes from someone who aligned himself with natsoc/fascist ideological thoughts for almost 2 decades.
>>537608275>he was completely correctIf your mother is a whore and a drunkard who beats you and a stranger who does not know you or her insults her, how do you feel?>Purging degeneracy is kinda the pointNational Socialist movements in the US have utterly failed to do that. You don't know one drop of movement history do you? They behave as if cosplaying will manifest the Fourth Reich like some kind of gestalt.>Nationalization of schoolsGo read Mein Kampf. Look at the quality of Germans Hitler had to work with. Hell, learn what your own foundational ideology about genetics says about human nature. What makes you think you can just do the same thing here?>Do you have a leader?Don't need one. I am a free man. I don't need to be told what to do and will not be told by a stranger who does not know my people's struggles anyway.>were too militarizedI'd almost say we agree, but do you realize almost none of our miliary manufacturing is actually in the Continental United States?>Homogenous societies have greater libertyI'm for a homogenous society.>Waaaah I don't wanna fight for an ethnostateDo you think the Beaners, Niggers and other Nons are just gonna pack it in because you start acting tough in the street? Are you fucking crazy? You will have to have a war at home to run these people out, then you will have to fight the people who will make you take them back.
>>537595891National Socialism sucked ass. Total loser ideology.
>>537608318>anonymous users of an anime image board didnt read the book> I shall now align myself with ZOG out of sheer demoralization Then it was always just a means for you to act intellectually superior to people on the internet, and you never actually cared about white people or the fate of the planet >>537608119Care to point out the contradictions or are you just going to vaguepost for lurkers to fill in the gaps
>>537608401Except National Socialism and Communism are both collectivizing ideologies?
>>537608854Where in the actual fuck do you get the idea I align myself with ZOG because I love America and want us to have a real functioning Republic instead of some sort of puppet on the strings of AIPAC? Dear fucking God you people are obtuse.
>>537608886You don't exist as a standalone individual, you emerged from a collective. And without the collective, your identity will slowly disintegrate.It's impossibly for humanity to just exist as standalone individuals. There is always a collective.
>>537608768>how do you feelNigger idgaf about feelings Im not a woman or a child, he called us out on our bullshit and he was right. Better to just accept that and move on than get hung up on pride>National Socialist movements in the US have utterly failed to do thatAh yes I remember when NatSoc movements took power in the US and then tried but failed to implement- oh wait, that mever happened>Go read Mein Kampf"Education is the primary responsibility of the state".>Don't need oneAre you going to accomplish this national revival by yourself? If the answer is no, then you'll need an organization backing you. Sounds like youre no better off than we are. >but do you realize almost none of our miliary manufacturing is actually in the Continental United States?Very aware. I work in aerospace. >Do you think the Beaners, Niggers and other Nons are just gonna pack it in because you start acting tough in the street? Ditto. You want a homogenous society too, yet I dont see you touting yourself as a warmonger- only us. Why is that? Do you think your future revivalist movement will somehow circumvent the resistance of the populace? Why am I the warmonger here but you are not?
>>537595891>Oh yeah, it got the biggest ZioCuck imaginable and his administration of jew cum-guzzlers in control of the United States. They've always been in control of the United States.You're just too stupid to see it.
2 moar weekz till the day of the rope bro
>>537608980Because your proposed solutions dont actually do anything about jews and migrants, they just sound vaguely patriotic but ultimately will leave us worse off than before
>>537595891I just want the jews gone and I'll support whatever ideology is most likely to make that happen.
>>537609517His solution is to vote for the GOP and support israel, but with BASED and REDPILLED aesthetics.
>>537595891>We know our preferred government model can work for us and we know what conditions have to be replicated for that to happen.Machine guns? No everyone knows standing in a line with massed musket fire is the only way to fight.>All of us would much prefer a return to that status quo than turning our society into an all-encompassing police-state.Yeah
>>537609719I truly understand the place hes coming from, I really do. Theres a strong impulse to follow the 'American elbowgrease can fix anything' attitude because its what we were drilled with and (appeared) to work in the past. But in every practical sphere there is no path forward with that ideology, it always ends with whites getting fucked over and ending up without a homeland while the browns dance on our civilization grave. Unlike anon however Im not too proud to admit my nations failures and am just desperate enough to look for solutions outside the prescribed historical curriculum .
>>537595891Mutts are too retarded to grasp NS.Thats why
>>537609940>I truly understand the place hes coming from, I really do.No, you don't. He's a shill and you are stupid for taking his shilling at face value.
>>537608854I read both the Ford edition (trash) and the Stalag edition almost 13 years ago. From what I remember, I found it funny that Hitler denounced merging and associating with other völkisch groups and conservatives as they could derail and neuter a movement like national socialism from its revolutionary core. Then in Volume II (chapters 8 and 11 IIRC) he goes out of his way to say that national socialism must absorb the other conservative, reactionary and völkisch movements and present a diluted, less radical, less revolutionary message to the masses. Also the fact that in Volume II he even admits he co-opted the term socialism as he doesn't believe in class warfare but in racial consciousness of the germans who are looking to uproot the jewish capital. He constantly shat on Christianity but simultaneously used it against the jews, and in Volume II iirc that's where he brought the positive Christianity aberration which is basically making Christianity a racial-religious cult when Christianity is an inclusive religious movement. Also regarding the revolutionary tenets of the movement, he cucked out to Hindenburg and betrayed Otto Strasser and his brother, purging them and the true revolutionary branch of natsoc in favor of the aristocrat and conservatives that were opportunistically trying to latch to Hitler. There's even more contradictions from what he wrote in the first volume, vs what he put into the NSDAPs political plan on the second volume, and what he ended up doing in real life post 1933. I can't be arsed to look more into it since it's been more than a decade and the writing style didn't help. Hitler often went into long rants and tangents in Volume I that didn't contribute much. If someone tried to pull the same nowadays they'd be labeled a pseud chud
>>537595891It is reviving it's just not in the way you retards wanted. Nazism was created to combat socialism, specially the soviets. That's why they called themselves national socialists because they were competing with Russia or more like insulting them. "We did socialism better" while be funded by capitalists in Europe, especially the British. Churchill loved Hitler until they got their asses beat by the red army and turned to invade Poland. Now back to my original point, Nazism exists to embolden imperialism and capitalism and make it even more privatized. The US/Israel have taken the charge. But this is pretty much their peak because yet again, another communist force has beaten them, China. They are going to have to go to war eventually and the US will lose. You'll probably see the total death of Nazism in your life time, but don't worry because Israel became Nazis themselves and you'll see them lose everything too. If your goal was just to see the jews lose, they are.
>>537609209What are the building blocks of a collective?
>>537610288Shill or not his sentiment is reflected in a great many people and often encountered irl. The "disillusioned libertarian who has no solutions but hasn't come to terms with the need for a strong state yet" is a tragically common trope >>537610355>he shat on other Volkish groups Rightfully so, I too am frustrated by pagans and their endless infighting >but then needed to absorb them!I can relate to that. Dont see the issue here>He constantly shat on Christianity but simultaneously used it against the jewsI felt that his criticisms and observations on Christianity were both valid and poignent>Also the fact that in Volume II he even admits he co-opted the term socialism as he doesn't believe in class warfare but in racial consciousness of the germans who are looking to uproot the jewish capitalSo? Are you a Marxist? >he cucked out to Hindenburg and betrayed Otto Strasser and his brother, purging them and the true revolutionary branch of natsoc in favor of the aristocrat and conservativesSo youre a strasserite then I take itIdk these are all pretty superficial grievances
>>537610355>Hitler talked about positive christianity in MKYou didn't read it once, let alone twice. You are just repeating the same slop talking points.
>>537610445>acktchually the jews are the real nazis!Jfc go back
>>537609409>idgaf about feelingsThat's a blatant lie since almost all Neo-Nazism is grounded in emotionalism. You can say that to someone who hasn't been to street action. Feelings are a part of the human condition. The trick is reason and higher virtues subjecting that emotion.>Ah yes I remember when NatSoc movements took powerYou are literally not paying attention to yourself. These movements couldn't get out of Stage 0 - why? Because they were at best trying to graft something alien onto the national organism of America and at worst they thought they could edgelord and cosplay an American Reich into existence.>Are you going to accomplish this national revival by yourself?I'm going to do what I can. You will forgive me especially as an older and wiser man if I am no longer much of a joiner.>Dodging the pointDo you want RaHoWa or not? Do you even know what that is? Get a hold of yourself.
>>537595891Your skin is the color of SHITYour argument is INVALID
>>537609517My proposed solutions require action on your part and taking personal responsibility for what you are doing for your country. The reason that is so impossible for you is that you still see yourself as part of a collective whole that does not exist. I see myself as an individual free to act and move as I see fit for my interests and those of my people. You are bound to a Movement that only exists digitally and in your mind.
>>537609719The blatant strawmanning of what I believe really proves, post-by-post, many of you know I am correct but your pride will not allow you to see it.
>>537610794>disillusioned libertarian who has no solutions but hasn't come to terms with the need for a strong state yetThat's who he is trying to appeal to, while pretending to be an above-it-all former Nazi who learned to love Neoconservatism.
>>537609940There's no path forward with your's either. The Great Awakening came and went. You all had your chance. You all got us Trump. How's that working out?>NOOOO WE NEVER SUPPORTED ORANGE MANLie to someone else. I was here when the old magic was written and even back then I told motherfuckers where this guy was going to take us all.>outside the prescribed historical curriculumYou didn't learn American history or political philosophy in any meaningful way. You got bombarded with trivia for 18+ years ad nauseum and you believe a vacuous pool of dates and names is equivalent to reading the literature and knowing the history as it was.
>>537609955Do tell us, O Great Norseman, what the Norwegians are doing to restore the Reich?We're waiting anxiously.
>>537611032>taking personal responsibilitylmao this kike is doing unironic Fox News bootstrapism
>>537610794You absolute fucking ape. People voted for a Strongman in the personage of Donald Trump and he hoodwinked you all even when people like me told you he wasn't the fucking God Emperor or some gay shit.So the solution is just keep rolling the dice on a Great White Hope and hoping finally we get it right?Fucking spare me and my people from retardation at your scale.
>>537610909You asked me how I would feel if someone insulted my mother, but it doesnt matter how I feel if the insult is in fact a valid observation. This isnt a street rally, were not trying to out-emotion each other. Hitler was right for calling us out, we should have listened instead of acting like emotional children. >neo-nazis You really are old, no one says that anymore >these movements couldnt get out of stage zeroWell the feds shot rockwell and the rest were glownigger honeypots from the beginning. Where are your groups that made it out of stage zero? Oh right. You dont have any groups whatsoever. >I'm going to do what I can.I am doing what I can as well, yet that wasnt good enough for you. >Dodging the pointSpeak for yourself, you accused us of being obsessed with violence while dodging the point that your own position requires the exact same amount of violence if not more. You still didnt answer why I am the warmonger and you are the peace loving American. You also haven't mentioned how your ideology intends to deal with the jews, which is a pretty big deal. Care to elaborate?
Or are they?
>>537610958If you are an American and cannot find all of your DNA within the heraldy in this Coat of Arms do not ever call anyone else from the US brown ever again.
>>537611406>neo-nazis>You really are old, no one says that anymorejews say it. miggers say it.
>>537611208I'm not a Neoconservative and I think most self-descriptors that would make sense to people like, "Classical Liberal," would also get laughed at but I also think that's an inadequate label.
>>537611343This is your brain on fucking collectivism LARPing.>NOOOOO THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DOOO>I MUST WAIT FOR MEIN FUHRER TO COME AND GIVE ME A SHINY UNIFORM AND A PANZER DIVISION>THEN AND ONLY THEN CAN I SAVE THE WHITE RACEGrow the fuck up, please.
>>537611538You're a kike engaging in sophistry.
>>537611601>collectivismThe more butthurt you get, the more the mask slips.
>>537611032>my peopleHmmmmm sounds pretty collectivist anon>>537611212>>537611394Jesus Christ are you still going on about Trump? Our elections are rigged dude none of us, anywhere, had any say in the presidential election at all. /pol/ accurately told me he was a zionist traitor long before I was redpilled, so spare me your revisionism. >>537611481I meant no humans say it>>537611601Oh right he should be waiting for the revival of civic virtue instead LMAO
>>537611406I'm not listening to someone who wished my cousins in the UK to be exterminated and enslaved and then called my people niggerfied subhumans after his regime spent 10-15 years prior talking about how Ubermensch the Scots-Irish HillBillies are and also backed the play of Japan against the US for no fucking reason at all and then cried because he didn't understand, "Talk shit, get hit." All that bullshit about Glorious Warfare suddenly hits different when you're punching people in your weight class.>the rest were glownigger honeypotsIf they all had been I would be far more optimistic. No, the truth is the Fed is a master of, "Never interrupt your opponent when he is making a mistake." Most of the movements are full of burn-outs, losers, con-men, degenerate egomaniacs and people who were born into it and because of their name literally cannot do anything else. They are perpetually miserable and insisting on - whether they admit it or not - making everyone desperate, sincere or lost enough to join them. I've watched it. I know things about people I wish I hadn't found it. I wish I was wrong some days.Go talk to TAF about all the pedophiles who's books they still publish and plug. Fuck, I know half the movement doesn't know James Mason went to prison twice for Kiddie Porn.
>>537611620Someone who's smarter than you isn't a sophist.
>>537610794He was against absorption of dissident völkisch groups and other conservative elements from that time, which I do agree with, but in Volume II he did the same mistake the Spanish JONS were going to do in 1932: He outlined the need of absorbing and incorporating all these cuckservative and völkisch movements into the national socialist wing. The irony is that had he actually remained true to his principles, he would've prevented aristrocrat rats like Canaris from sabotaging the movement, the war effort from the inside. Hitler was an imbecile. He correctly identified the jewish parasite extracting capital from the German workers, he correctly called out the counter-revolutionary nature of the cuckservatives, the aristrocrats, the freemasons, and the other völkisch movements. But once he got challenged by Hindenburg he buckled, purged the revolutionaries out of the NSDAP, appeased to the old guard, and wiped his ass with the 25 points of the natsoc movement. That reminded me also when he didn't even nationalize the economy, the Brits even coined the term "privatization" back then because Hitler actually de-nationalized the state banks and sold shares to private companies like Krupp, Garden, Porsche, VW... The only difference with Weimar (which Hitler also rightfully denounced in Volume I) is that the Weimar republic was a complete whore to the jews, who had acquired a lot of state-owned entities post-1920. The contradictions go on the more you read about early natsoc theory and post-1933 NSDAP
>>537611786He thinks he can establish credibility by attacking the orange nigger, then use that to attack National Socialism. It's standard hasbara tactics.
>>537595891It always has been socialism
>>537598306You are too smart to be a right winger come home.
>>537611786As usual you apply the least charitable take imaginable. I am asking you - you - to do something yourself and recognize you're in a dead-end self-imposed cult. I'm asking you to embrace being an American, not subjecting yourself to the Far Right's version of Anti-White Guilt.You will pardon me if I don't see a difference in some blue-haired faggot telling me to hate myself because we are the source of all the world's evils and an SS wannabe telling me I am the source of all the world's evils.Both are incredibly stomach-churning to me. You are literally falling for a PsyOp they let you be a part of because they know it's useless. The Fed is not scared of cosplaying felons. They are scared of free men who cannot be bought or seduced.
>>537612296Left wing this, Right wing that. Fuck off.
>>537608768>If your mother is a whore and a drunkard who beats you and a stranger who does not know you or her insults her, how do you feel?really? leading your response with a non sequitur?garbage threadall fields
>>537612485Yeah you're right we should go argue in the same threads about women and non-essential topics we already all know the answer to.
>>537611962>I'm not listening to someone who wished my cousins in the UK to be exterminated and enslavedHitler was fond of the English, tragically the sided with the Soviets and now their daughters get raped. But I see youre no longer interested in honest discussion, now youre just lying to try and earn outrage points. Its a shame you shills dont do your homework. Oh well. But look on the bright side; were going to continue to spread while your ideology becomes globally hated and inevitably done away with. At least thats the bright side for me, you dont have a bright side.
>>537610909>as an older and wiser manreally because you sound like a zoomer larpingeverything I am reading screams you are in your early 20s.I would know, since I have been listening to psuedo intellectuals like you since '97but do keep tooting your own horn and blatantly throwing fallacy after logical fallacy
>>537612358>dont be far right>>537612470>Left wing this, Right wing that. Fuck offSending mixed messages there anonLook, if you dont want me to be a Nazi, offer me a viable alternative. You haven't done that. Vague notions of civic revival arent enough. We want ethnostates and will do what is necessary to get them. If you dont want us to do that, give us a reason not to. Im not sure if you even can. A return to the status quo is not happening and is not desirable.
>>537612552You realize by the time these policies got implemented that the Greatest Generation were fucking geriatrics? I know - know - I've said that already. Churchill wanted to run his next election campaign on, "Keep Great Britain White." But as usual, ironically, the supposed Far Right is playing by the Far Left (read: jews) rules: the same black-and-white, objectivist, globalist reading of history where there is an obvious protagonist of history and an obvious antagonist.Heed my warnings: you are not going to win the game for our people playing that way.Read the Iliad. Understand how and why two people who were locked in a war for decades could write to fondly of one another. This is only possible when you fucking deprogram yourself of the PWC bullshit paradigm where, again, history has a protagonist and an antagonist. It does not. There are no objectively Right or Wrong geopolitical actors in the way your video games tell you there are.There's your team and everyone else's. That's all there ever will be.I don't need a fucking, "bright side." I don't need a fucking man or a movement to save me. I know what is right. I am logical, free Aryan. I nor my people have ever been slaves. I do not need nor want nor trust someone who tells me he knows my best interests and all I must do is kneel and give him everything so that, supposedly, I and my people will survive.I am not afraid to die standing and alone for my people, my beliefs and the rights and liberties my ancestors spent centuries acquiring. In this at least they smile upon me.Can you say the same?
>>537610882 He probably didn't use "positive Christianity" explicitly but this is the bastardization he was referring to when twisting the definition of Christianity. He either used it in the 25-point pamphlets, or implied to it anytime he mixed the völkisch schizophrenia with Christianity.Chap 11"The religious teaching of the Jews is principally a collection of instructions for maintaining the Jewish blood pure and for regulating intercourse between Jews and the rest of the world; that is to say, their relation with non-Jews. But the Jewish religious teaching is not concerned with moral problems. It is rather concerned with economic problems, and very petty ones at that. In regard to the moral value of the religious teaching of the Jews there exist and always have existed quite exhaustive studies (not from the Jewish side; for whatever the Jews have written on this question has naturally always been of a tendentious character) which show up the kind of religion that the Jews have in a light that makes it look very uncanny to the Aryan mind. The Jew himself is the best example of the kind of product which this religious training evolves. His life is of this world only and his mentality is as foreign to the true spirit of Christianity as his character was foragn to the great Founder of this new creed two thousand years ago. And the Founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of His estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary He drove those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God; because then, as always, they used religion as a means of advancing their commercial interests. But at that time Christ was nailed to the Cross for his attitude towards the Jews; whereas our modern Christians enter into party politics and when elections are being held they debase themselves to beg for Jewish votes. They even enter into political intrigues with the atheistic Jewish parties against the interests of thdr own Christian nation."
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>>537611962>I'm not listening/pol/ accepts your concession. try reddit, sounds more your speed lad
>>537612833I've given you resources a plenty and many others in this thread. But if you want a good book to start from, OK.>"Ideological Origins of the American Revolution">Bernard BailynIt's an incredibly short book that will give you plenty of good eye-opening anecdotes and starting points for further reading. I have made my arguments.If my fellow American's estimation of his own patrimony is so piss-poor he sees no value in his ancestors then I question what on earth kind of Nationalist anything he is.
>>537612946You got caught lying about having read the book twice lmaoGo back to your kikeshill group chat and kvetch.
>>537612991Mocking people the rest of the room can tell are more intelligent than you does not make you appear like a Spartan with Laconic Wit. You just look like even more of an ass.
>>537613135>Bernard Bailyn>Bailyn was born in Hartford, Connecticut, in 1922, the son of Esther (Schloss) and Charles Manuel Bailyn.[7] His family was Jewish
>>537612833You are putting way too much effort into arguing with a slimy kike who is never going to reciprocate your good faith.
>>537613298jews served in the Wehrmacht.Hitler's personal driver was a jew who he actively gave Honorary Aryan status to save him from purges.One of the men who taught Hitler oration was jewish.Goebbels' favorite poet was a jew.If we're going to disregard literally anything written by any jew here, especially a book that is literally a dissertation and sourcebook on the ideological underpinnings of the American Revolution - a book that began as an academic essay, well-cited and respected by all academics in the field - then I'm really wondering at how even opposing ideologies will stand up under scrutiny.Or are you one of those Pseudo-Nordics who thinks the last time White culture was worth celebrating was three thousand years ago?
>>537595891>First off, what did /pol/'s, "Great Awakening," actually accomplish?it broke an important component of a multi-generational brainwash narrative.don't know what the future holds exactly, people are ultimately going to decide for themselves, but the goal has always been to undo the brainwashing, to stress the narrative control to its breaking point. and its not a past tense thing, still ongoing.
>>537613220? I literally proved my point. It's not my problem you got assmad about that. It's been 13-14 years since I read Mein Kampf and it was a contradictory piece of garbage. If people here actually read it they would've realized that sooner and lowered Hitler from that pedestal they hold him on. Another point, he constantly denigrated and detested the Eastern europeans and the slavs, yet he was retarded enough to sign the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and wage war against the Brits and western Europeans. The writing is garbage, the ideas are garbage, the concepts are contradictory, the political plan is counterrevolutionary. I can only give him credit when he denounces how the jews indeed parasitized over Weimar. It's a mediocre book.
>>537613513>Hitler's personal driver was a jew who he actively gave Honorary Aryan status to save him from purges.>One of the men who taught Hitler oration was jewish.>Goebbels' favorite poet was a jew.lmao there it isYou are just a lying kike trying to come up with a novel way of shilling the same old shit.
>>537613513>incoherent schizo rant response
>>537613635>I read the book twice which is why I have no idea what is in it and had to make shit up and try to justify it afterwards with pilpulkek
>>537595891>63pbtidCope
>>537613638So if we're going to throw out literally any piece of academia or history ever touched by a jew I'm afraid we are left with very little we can actually work with.What exactly is the standard for purity here?
>>537613784>standard kikeshill rhetoric>let me post a pepe, Nazis like pepe right?lmao
>>537613513>Hitler was never antisemtic goyI guess the Holocaust wasn't real then.
>>537613725So then point out what I made up then. The book is garbage and I pointed some of the contradictions he shows off in his typical pseud fashion. Was it the positive Christianity part that upset you because Hitler literally didn't write "positive Christianity" but pushed for the concept in the book? Go on kike, say it.
>>537613857>i'm unable to answer the question coherently so i'll call you a slur and keep insisting you're a kikeWhat a faggot.Every time people in this thread resort to this all I hear is>You're right but I can't admit it in front of everyone here or I just feel like you're wrong but I can't articulate how.
>>537613902No, he definitely was that but you're willfully dodging the point because you realize you can't just arbitrarily disregard the book I suggested for the other anon on the basis, "durrr a jew wrote it."
>>537612919>deprogram>far rightIt seems you think that we were somehow tricked into this, which tells me that you really dont understand NatSoc or the point of all of this. Which is particularly depressing considering how much of your life you've spent researching this topic and yet you are still utterly clueless as to our motivations and belief system. I recommend you go read Mein Kampf, since evidently you never did>Can you say the same?Absolutely, and with gusto! >>537613135I will give it a read abon>>537613638Emil Maurice was a real man anon >>537613495Dont be fooled, I use this place to refine arguments for use irl. I know lots of vets/boomers/churchfolk who think and argue exactly as anon does. It pays to practice these arguments on here first. Besides, /pol/ is like a stage play. Were not arguing to convince each other. Were arguing to convince lurkers.
>>537613977>in front of everyoneyou really care alot what random whos oj the internet thinks, this is how I know you were lying about your age, because any man over thirty that is half a man is well past peer pressuring.the reason you think such tactics would work here is because it would work on you.we are not the same
>>537613948>>537613977This is just embarrassing. Every day anti-semitism grows by leaps and bounds, and yids are still stuck doing>I'm too based and rightwing for Hitler! How about you, goy?shilling on 4chanThe jews are truly cooked if this is all they can come up with in 15 years.
>>537614089Emil Maurice was not a jew. He wasn't even a mischling. Stop getting manipulated by kikes.
OP is having a major meltdown I can see. Not only are we back, but we never left. You lost the culture war. The Right / Left wing are falling apart just like post WWI. No one takes you people seriously anymore.Putin & Trump are senile old men who are running declining nations that will collapse alongside western Evropa und Israel. Not only is our ideology the only show in town. But the entire world would benefit from living a NatSoc lifestyle. >>537596485This >>537596165Many Such Cases >>537596775How are the borders. You Weimerimutts haven't had borders in 60 years. XD >>537597562So like most midwits you don't have any solutions. Only nit-picking & complaining. Like a woman. You will never be a real woman. Sorry R3ddit. Here's the problem The white world died in two world wars Even if there was a race war which there probably will be due to mass migration policies. It would be white people against white people. Too many white people are too invested in niggers, spics, and all of the above.
>>537595891Didnt read lol
>>537614089People were not exactly tricked into the Counter-Signalling. It was an inevitable next step in the Culture War. I was writing think pieces and essays almost twenty years ago saying that the Democrats were going to literally conjure up Klansmen and National Socialists from the fringes of society by insisting that everyone who opposed them was one and continuing to embrace Anti-White policies. I literally knew this would happen and so did lots of people. I get completely how the adoption happened and I've talked about it a lot in the thread. But just because people are doing something for catharsis and to, "own the libs," doesn't actually make it an effective winning strategy.
>>537614089>Besides, /pol/ is like a stage play. Were not arguing to convince each other. Were arguing to convince lurkers.glad to know someone else gets it, I stopped pointing this out years ago because I like to keep the nons clueless on where to begin correcting course.
>>537614158>he can't see that the exact phenomenon he is attributing to me is what the other anons are doing in my threadHooo boy, amazing.
>>537614197I don't care how, "Based," or, "Right-wing," I am in relation to Hitler. I entirely reject the fake and gay political dynamic. I deal in schools and ideas and not Red-team Blue-team Jacob-Esau Gambit political theater.
>>537614625>I deal in schools and ideasThe Rabbi Shmuley School of Buttplugs and Zionism maybe
>>537614254First page of Google proves you wrong. If Emil Maurice is not jewish bring a credible source that says he isn't.
>>537614466>>537614552There won't be a collapse. You're already in a collapse. The west is collapsing since you all died in two world wars for Jews & Niggers. Lol. Lmao. You people still think you can 'vote your way out of this' Delusional & Naive. Like children really, it's pathetic & sad. Sorry your weak nigger jew government is collapsing Sorry you have no manpower for your war in Iran thus you're going to run out of Oil and your world empire will implode and many people will go bye-bye S o r r y [I lied Iam not sorry]
>>537614552>he doesn't realize he is just being poked and prodded so he sabotages his own agenda by dropping the banana on the floor like every other shill once they get emotional enough the continuous fallacies I keep forcing out of you is damaging enough but it gets worse tranny kun
>>537614197Then say where I'm wrong lmao. The other retard got mad and sperged out for a stupid reason.
Also You cannot fix anything with the police and the Army Everytime Weimerimutts call the Army // National Guard since the 1960 Civil Race Riots The Cops & Guard mostly just like the niggers burn your cities now. They don't even try to stop them anymore. You didn't read: Camp of the Saints or Dr. Pierce or Commander Rockwell or James Mason or H.A. Covington so you have no idea what is coming you way. If you had read books and not been illiterate all these years you would know what is coming, like I do. Kek
>>537614089> It pays to practice these arguments on here first.Practicing something the wrong way doesn't make you better at it. Treating bullshit arguments like they are legitimate, letting yourself get dogwalked by shills, and never getting to the point isn't educational.
>>537595891National Socialism didn't kick off in America because Americans are all non-Germanic subhumans with tainted blood who do nothing of value and are just simply mongrel goy cattle.
Julius Egola got filtered by the Spirit of Columbia
>>537595891OP is a faggot kike and is nervous.
>>537614741This anon gets it.I would like to add that rarely do the masses see the freefall, until it is too late. They dont even have a parachute. They're just a loot crate for the boys.
>>537614703>>537614850See how the kike always tries to drag you into some fake debate? Stop falling for it, stop treating them like they are human beings interested in the truth.If you want to teach lurkers, teach them to identify jews and treat them with pure contempt.
>>537608275This.Discourse with kikes is pointless. They all come here with had intent, nothing to offer but pilpul, and stick out like a sore thumb. We don't have to kill all the Jews, just sterilize them. The charges are less severe, and you can even get away with it ("omg the labels were wrong! Who knew!) >537607882 Jews love to insult trump and talk about themselves(naming the Jews) Hell it's not even hard for lying Jews to denounce the talmid through pilpul reasonings.
>>537614356Whether it's jewish oligarch tyranny or nazi totalitarian tyranny, it's still tyranny to me. Sorry to disappoint you.
>>537614773Whatever helps you sleep at night.
>>537614919Even National Socialist race science proves you wrong on this assertion. Many articles in the journal, "Rasse," point out that, yes, we are Germanic - we are Nordic and therefore Aryan.You don't even know that Hitler's racial Bible was written by an Old Stock American.
>>537615227/pol/ identifies trannies and jews with the same accuracy. They've become meaningless as much as calling anyone right-wing a Nazi did over 15 years ago.
>>537615482>can't even control his impulsive need to respond and have the last word over every little comment like some emotional schoolgirlI already own you :)
>>537615227>See how the kike always tries to drag you into some fake debateno you're the kike with no critical thought. You parroted this retard right here >>537610882 and then made a fool out of yourself. I proved all my points, and none of you pussies have countered any of them. /pol/ is not your hugbox, jewboy.
>>537615664>kikeshill once again inadvertently identifies himself as an outsider who comes here to shillToo easy.
The Russians knew they were going to be the bad guys for invading Ukraine and committing all those war crimes and atrocities, so their Ministry of Dirty Tricks came up with the idea of schilling Nazism hard mode. The decade-long natsoc raid on /pol/ was a deliberate Russian psyop to trick the most retarded people on the internet into becoming Nazis.
>>537615601stop larpingamerican is mere identity anyone can adopt, it has nothing to do with ethnicity or race. american is white, nigger, chink, pajeet and everything combined that melting pot produces
>>537615777>>537615794The more butthurt they get, the more retarded the rhetoric becomes. This is why you should never ever engage shills seriously.
we get it dudeeven the most bombastic fed posters have internalized the "nothing ever happens" reality of our world,no matter how much they say otherwise
>>537615714Every bump I get more engagement.You have some point to prove, I'm here looking for discourse and the love of the game.You're trying to win a war of attrition against someone who lives for the scrap.
>>537595891Yeah it did, we have MuslimWaffen SS executing kikes in the middle east and pressure cooking kikes with homemade explosives but /pol/ is sleeping on it
>>537614884Well its worked great so far and the arguments that work here also work irl so idk what youre on about>>537614466Well when you have a winning strategy lmk. At the present I still dont know what your strategy is, other than reading up on the American Revolution and hoping the general public becomes more civically aware. You still havent said what you intend to do with the jews or various minorities, both of whom you say you want removed from American society. But then you get mad at us when we say the same thing, lambasting our lack of plan and effective strategy. Like nigger, do you see yourself?
>>537615794you are a retarded nigger.
>>537615778I've been here for decades, try again. I don't think you get I can literally tell by how most people talk that all of you are, too a man, Zoomie Newfags who showed up during COVID.
>>537615601can a "slavs were considered subhumans" baltoid come explain to me what "ostische rasse" means
>>537615846The Founders did not agree with your assertion as I have already posted above. Try again.
>>537595891>what did /pol/'s, "Great Awakening," actually accomplish?Completely disintegrated the left
>>537616023>I've been on the board that has only existed since 2011 for decadeslmao you stupid kike
>>537616105it never existed in the first place. completely propped up and amplified by jewish money and faggot fink's "forcing behaviours" nonsense.
>>537616132>ah mm yes, there was no 4chan before /pol/
>>537615851>Employing COINTELPRO tacticsYou've been doing the same shit for 14 years straight.
>>537616064what does that matter what they thought? that's the reality now
>>537615960>You have some point to provenot at allnothing to provejust read your personality type 3 posts into thread and accurately gaged that all I would need is some low effort criticism of you and your fallacies to get you to drop the mask and open yourself up for a crash out, and as usual, it is working.
>>537616168Right well, deflated the inflatable the feds set up
>>537616209>>537616239yids absolutely flailing and seething at their inability to get anywhere
>>537616286for sure, their games don't end though. their goal was to upset people and build up the pressure cooker, they are about to release it and send more goyim to die, the retards mostly.
>>537615851>The more butthurt they get, the more retarded the rhetoric becomes.that is all I came here to do, well first was to lurk discussion, but upon reading his first five replies and the insinuated insults he began lobbing about I marked him as a b cluster personality type and decided to engage with some low effort flicks to his nose to get his mask drop moment accelerated.if there is one mark of shills here is that they cannot handle any pushback without resorting to their real thoughtsthe overuse of pepes by him is so obvious and tryhard I can tell he got signed up with leftypol discord probably sometime in the last week.
> but literal centuries of our ancestors have fought and bled to not live under authoritarian, totalitarian and collectivizing dystopias where the rule of law is pointless and people are judged by fiatWhen did you - who? - do this?
>>537616473These are the same people that have to pay people to protest and shoot conservatives in the face with rubber balls to get them angry
>>537616023>>537616209KTxd8pKS, pAMg+Jrx (1pbtd), ShQi9Jwn, 3RJZRO6c, EZa2oDIZ (1pbtd)These are all eglinigger sockpuppets derailing in bad faith. Don't even bother arguing with them
>>537616547>leftypol discordlol no he's just a jew, everything he says comes back to neocon patriotardism
>>537616746you are a foreigner.making your presence here spiritually and honorably jewish by nature
>>537614741Iran supports niggers and Jews just like Russia. They are not an ally of whites and never will be until their Islamic government is replaced.
>>537598727this is your fate for fighting against the great leader for the jewsthe whole anglosphere is thoroughly kiked. no chance of saving
>>537616852Go be a glownigger somewhere else.
>>537616854Yeah watching Tel Aviv get pulvarized really made me think "golly gee gosh Iran sure loves the juden"
>>537616852nigger hands wrote that post
>>537616852He's just your average everyday Costa Rican, deeply concerned about National Socialism undermining the liberal values of the American Revolution. Just a regular guy, really, definitely not an israeli on a VPN.
>>537617082>we have a right to come busting in on your discussions of your Nation!very jewish argumentwhat did Maduro call your type again?oh right "the wandering jew"so unless you are able to post nose and arm, with timestamp, next to a carton of milk and some Ham, then I am going to have to safely assume you are a shitskin foreigner attempting to muddy the water, because lets face it, there is no good reason you could possibly give as to why you are shitting up american message boards and websitesand we both know you will make up some excuse to not post your features, or prove you are lactose tolerant and keep some bacon in the cooler.
>>537596888>Some of us don't need a collar and a leash to be comfortable in life.Perhaps, but thats a vast majority. Most need order.
>>537595891It's time to go home now
>>537595891>78 posts by absolutely seething jewish subhumandon't you have your jewish cousins foreskin to eat and jew rat child siblings to rape?
>>537617437>1pbtidjfc do you glowniggers even put effort these days?
>>537608796ok kike
>>537595891Zoomers know what Goys are and what Chutzpah is.They've seen jews carry out a genocide and so now they believe Bolshevik jews also genocided Orthodox Christians in Russia. They see jews as genociders.And of course they all know about Epstein and the tunnel jews and so they see all jews as pedophiles now.It's a full reversion of the Boomerbrain.
>>537597642>Germans themselves - to Hitler's own dismay - lost their faith in his vision at the very endNo they didn't.The American jews actually needed to launch a psyop against the Germans to 'de-Nazify' them.Lying shit kike lmfaooooooo
This thread is more Jewish than a salmon and lox bagel in the financial district. Almost 80 post. Oy vey!
>>537621596>smoked salmondoesnt come from jewish culture or lands>loxis the same thing as above, you fucking retarded shill
>>537595891Ofc its not. There are less genuine national socialists on /pol/ these days than at any time in its existence. Sandniggers and commies crying about free palestine are not national socialists. By the way Hitler himself was an active zionist. Seething nonstop about israel has nothing to do with national socialism.
>>537621596not to say you are wrong about OPbut seriously, visit /ck/ sometime, you should have known what lox on a bagel is.try it with cream chives n cheese sometime.pretty good if you can find a bakery that has fresh bagelsalso, try a Rueben sandwich, and before you call that jewish too, a proper rueben is made with provolone or swiss cheese>inb4whythefuckdoesthatmatterjews are forbidden from eating dairy and meat together in the same meal.meaning the cream cheese and lox bagel, and the Rueben with RYE(German) will never belong to some edomites
>>537623962Is that so
>>537595891I just hope the race war happens in my lifetime and I get to kill a few jeets. And I hope to be able to contribute to my kids getting to live in an all White homogeneous society. I would die a happy man after that. I think we'd be better off under authoritarian rule as long as it was race based.
OP is a faggot
>>537596482Even kikes are damn near 50-50 lmao
>>537595891"Nazi" ideological narratives have entered mainstream adjacent visibility. This is something the left spent decades and billions of dollars to ensure would never happen. There doesn't need to be a named "revival", the ideas only need to survive and grow, which they had. White identity used to be unthinkable, now it is increasingly commonplace. Then biggest failure though, is that the left had cultural and institutional dominance for decades and squandered it. They allowed the ideology that has defeated them multiple times in the 20th century to not only survive, but go from taboo caricature to referenced as a form of in group resistance. Of course, the most damning thing about modern leftists is that they were beaten multiple times by a washed up has been cultural icon and politically unsophisticated masses with zero of the institutional leverage the left had.It's unbelievably embarrassing for them. It's no wonder they are seethe so much at the man.
>>537595891>most Americans just want an all-white Walmart again.Most Americans just want cheap shit and free money without working.
>>537598036>I was affiliated Maybe with a synagogue
>>537616602Coming from a Briton in particular this comment is ironic.But hey, your own people have done much the same. Why the British would ever have anything good to say about the architects of Operation Sea Lion is beyond me.Would the British prefer to be raped by Germans than by Arabs? Is that it?
>>537616746Every post is a free bump for me. I'm surprised this thread is even still here. I'm in this until the wheels fall off now.
>>537616969Nah.
>>537617474/pol/tards really think we're all newfags here and fall for this dumb shit. Even if someone passes you just keep moving the goal post.
>>537620780>he doesn't know about Hitler's last words concerning the fate of Germany as he was in the bunker beneath Berlin
>>537628597Do you not understand how the jew operates?Do you fail to grasp concepts like Controlled Opposition?They are allowing an ideology to grow and exist they could stop because they know it is no threat to them. It conditions your mind to wait for a Strongman to save you, so they will supply a hero for you that is already bought.They did it with Trump. Now they're gonna try and do it with Lowe but his last disastrous interviews make it clear that he's not smooth enough for the work he's been assigned.Anyone who's been in government at that level for 8-12 years is not to be trusted.
>>537629994Oh, do I not know what I'm talking about?Do some googling on the NSM and Burt Colucci. Why don't you go see what he's gotten up to on Twitter. Fuck go hang around any of the NatSoc and WigNat communities out there. If you walk away optimistic you are truly low IQ.
>>537596482That is a white minority. way to go retards, too late now. The "le redpill" generation hate jews for some sandnigger virtue signaling and not for their own safety
>>537595891It showed everyone in America that the other side is a bunch of mentally ill feminists and faggots who want to eliminate heterosexual white people.
>>537633352This is what I keep trying to point out about Generation Zyklon. They're not, "Based," they're miscegenated as fuck.The internet is NOT real fucking life, nor is it a reliable indicator of the conditions across most of society.
>>537628597You Nazis have had your fun but now your time is up.
>>537633263You still havent said what *you* would do about the jews
>>537595891https://youtu.be/g-2Didi1bnk
>>537596888>Lolbert spergingAh so that's what this is about.No one is on board with your meme ideology dude, you're almost as much of a joke as ns at this point. You're not getting your Rapture utopia where retards can blow themselves up with unrestricted freedom to be as retarded as they want to be and believing that is just as retarded as believing in Nazi revivalism.
>>537635682
>>537635987And how do you plan on going about this
>>537595891NS is absolutely reviving or you wouldn't be making this thread and kvetching
>>537633174>trusting the soviet wordlmao retard
>>537595891>Not only have we for generations lived in a free, democratic society under republican governmentsyeah, you never did this>bled to not live under authoritarian, totalitarian and collectivizing dystopias where the rule of law is pointless and people are judged by fiat.there have been at least 10 instances since the english civil war when white people fought against hired jew goons to protect the monarchy from being destroyed by democrats, parliamentarians, communists, or kosher "freedom fighters" of some flavor. The king can always held accountable by the people whereas a parliamentary government is just a ball of goo that can't ever grabbed. This is why Hitler governed via the Fuhrerprinzip; because he wanted to be held accountable.>All of us would much prefer a return to that status quo everyone in germany loved hitler. if you split america up into 10 mini states who could each appoint its own hitler, everyone would love that, too
>>537636343Well put
>>537595891>Kike wall of text Didn't read past the title. It has unilaterally United the right AND the left in our unbridled hatred for jews not just in pisreal but abroad. Threads like this are absolute proof that your Magog faggot army doesn't want to fight each other anymore. Nope, just pedo kikes like you swinging from fucking poles. Hurry up with your bullshit antichrist and (((alien))) invasion. Zoomers are in record numbers joining Orthodox and Catholic Churches, it's amazing to see. Even niggers hate you kek. Fucking idiots. See you in hell, but not before you bend your knee for Christ you child fucking parasite. Hail Hitler Christ is King
>>537596888We're living in a world right now that sacrificed liberty AND security, all in the name of democracy and anti-fascism.
>>537596482It's beautiful >>537596165They are freaking tf out >>537597648It's not denounce you retard, they have no problem denouncing anything. >>537597930Renounce the Talmud word for word and NOT denounce.
>>537595891The Druids are.
>>537635987>87 pbtidYou're a kike shill demoralization agent. Even if we don't return to a full blown nazi Germany like state your still terrified of the growning number of right wing and nationalist youth. We don't need to become nazis, we just have to remove parasites like you to win. Your afraid we actually will form our own movement and put a candidate in office who actually does represent us, you're screeching is nothing less than a bad attempt at slowing this down
>>537595891Jeff did not rape moot to push nazism on dumb americans as a tool to elect trump and then humiliate them.Pro tip. Nazism is for germans. If your not german do your own thing.
>>537639326And czechs since they started it.
>>537635974Not a libertarian, try again.
>>537595891Hitler has been turned by a mass of terminally-online autists into an avatar of something he absolutely was not in real life. He isn't a totalitarian dictator to them, but some Joker-tier cosmic trickster, or a Lucifer-tier cosmic rebel. Which Nazism was the antithesis of in real life, but these people don't care. Same as when they post anime girls with big tits wearing SS uniforms. I don't know what the hell this all is at this point but it's completely unrecognizable from historical National Socialism.
>>537636343>yeah, you never did thisAh. Is the Canuck who makes a living trading freedom for security going to teach us all how to be men? Assuming you're even a Canadian.>The king can always be held accountableYou mean like how when we went to war against him because he was a bought-out selfish tyrant?>This is why Hitler governed via the Fuhrerprinzip, because he wanted to be held accountableCan you point to to whom the Fuhrer is functionally held accountable to in the National Socialist model? How about a situation where his authority could be legally challenged by the rest of the Reich - was it ever done?>everyone in germany loved hitlerIs that why Germans fought less for their defeated state than my own people did for our's after the war was over?>if you split america upYeah, I'd be OK with smaller more localized republics. Glad we agree.
no one wants to emulate losers, its that simple. plus, national socialism is really just nationalist communism.the best form of government we had was the wild west. complete lawlessness and absolute law simultaneously. every human is both capable of taking what they want, and becoming the law thats taking back what was lost. its a system of power. it seems chaotic but its incredibly balanced. networking and relationships dictates ones success. see some land you want? its yours. taxes? to literally who? no one, thats who. in the wild west youre more concerned with covered wagon sex and not starving, bartering for food and luxuries like whiskey. gunslinging is a full time job. prostitutes are abundant. theyre all white.
>>537637227>orthodox and catholic churchesThis isn't a flex. One is an alient Slav ethno-cult and the other has always been globalist and anti-Nordic.I wish earnestly for Reformed High Church Episcopalianism.
>>537637238I favor a Republic, which is broadly a democratic form of government. I do not favor direct democracy except in local and homogenous high-trust, virtuous countries.
>>537637450I renounce the Talmud.You may move the goal post again whenever you're ready.
>>537637238>democracycalled the second worst form of government ever devised by the people who invented it. yet we hold it so sacred? thats such a post-christcucked phenomenon. always settling for shit.
>>537595891>It's counter-signalling, not a response formed by an intelligent assessment of a political ideology. White people want to stand up and regain their countries and their glory and National Socialism's aesthetic provides an expression of that. The people we've been up against used propaganda to demonize everyone against their agenda as, "Nazis," no matter how Far Right they were or weren't.It's nothing but a fuck you and kids being edgy. None of these people actually would want to live in the Third Reich or a state that embodies that ideology. We know our preferred government model can work for us and we know what conditions have to be replicated for that to happen. All of us would much prefer a return to that status quo than turning our society into an all-encompassing police-state.I thought we all knew that. Were there actually substance numbers of people's here who genuinely believed most people here wanted to model social around the fuhrerprinzip?Nazi Germany is to /pol/, what Rome was to Nazi Germany. It's literally all just a vibe. Always has been. Why do you think there are so many brown "national socialists" here?That'll not to say the Jew hate or the racism is just a vibe. It's obviously real.
>>537638000I'm for about 85% of what you said. I'm sorry this isn't a 1pbtid thread you can screech at someone in and one with someone you have to actually argue with.Surely, a rage-bait thread awaits far more deserving of your attention.
>>537595891Gee, I wonder whom the bell tolls
>>537640078you do know that jews can denounce/renounce the talmud, right? its an utterly meaningless statement. it was never something jews cant do. the talmud isnt a holy book in the same way the torah is, its just a bunch of rabbis opinions, and those rabbis are constantly arguing with one another. so denouncing the talmud is kind of implicit, because not all rabbis can be right if theyre disagreeing.this whole "denounce the talmud" thing is jewish in nature. its a way for jews to power trip like a child>drrrrrr i gots him to do what i wantedits literally the jewish equivalent of a knock knock joke and that by complying, you are affirming their ability to control you.jews can denounce the torah too, and even their own god, so long as they are 'thinking' about something else. jewish mental gymnastics are on a completely different level. its actually full blown retard tier.
>>537640332shouldve named that file christcuck simulator.jpg because i genuinely could not read it without abandoning it or delegating the task to someone else
>>537595891>literal centuries of our ancestors have fought and bled to not live under authoritarian, totalitarian and collectivizing dystopias where the rule of law is pointless and people are judged by fiat.Purely an American fantasy. Notice we lived in powerful empires before you stepped in, and people lived the result so much that they elected some crazy painter.
>>537595891This. I've been saying this all this time but poltards refuse to believe, they think edgy kids sharing hitler edits (probably CIA) and jewish cock suckers are le based because they hate immigrants and own the libs.I'd add that the only reason why everything is fucked these days is that people are retarded and ignorant, when they stop being so, they can do something to solve the problems instead of calling each other names like children.
>>537603006don't argue with meme flags
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>>537598555>picrelAmerica was literally founded by jews and built by them, everything else was just a side effect that would inevitably disappear concluding to this shithole human farm with the only goal of serving Judea. The real truth is that you can not win this war with Jews, they're smarter and stronger, and stand behind walls of allies and golems, all of this system that we live in is made to preserve and empower the global Judea, in fact why they won and why they rule today was because of the weakness of the goyim. And with this ideologies of separation you'd only make yourself weaker, imo the only way out of this jewish world order is a global alliance of all the "goyim" against the oppression of the jews, otherwise you'd always lose.
>>537640332Calling liberalism a way of life that leads to a totalitarian socialist state isnt very smart. The conservatives gave gays/whores/cultural marxists etc this surname by not respecting their individual freedom. Imo freedom to express and freedom to criticise are mandatory, and if you really eant to dismantle those corrupt movements you have to play fair, respecting their freedom of choise and pointing out the consequences. Ofcourse discrimination in their favor by law, courts, goverment funding etc is not acceptable.
>>537609711even if it means making your life worse? This is what OP was talking about, stupid reactionaries.>We made you life worse>now hand us all of your rights and jump from this cliff, I swear it's the only solution, didn't you watch those cool edits we made on social media?
>>537595891>Not only have we for generations lived in a free, democratic society under republican governments False>but literal centuries of our ancestors have fought and bled to not live under authoritarian, totalitarian and collectivizing dystopiasWe fought the wrong enemies and were conquered by the worst (((tyrants))) of all without a shot fired
>>537595891Educashum.>the movie
