Good luck not being able to get out of a chair at 40. Meanwhile those who went to university are working under A/C in comfy office jobs
>>537637630shouldn't working physically make your body more resilient? tradies basically get paid to work out
>>537637630jews don't work out or go to non-jew universities.
my gf works and recently her company ran out of work to give people so she just leaves early every day and receives full pay. I cant imagine a blue collar company doing something like this.
>>537637630Sitting at a death is horrible for your back
Glute stretches
>>537638102You can't severely strain your body nearly every day for hours on end with minimal rest. The proper way is to work out is with controlled exercises, nutrition, and adequate rest so your body can recover. Shit ton of blue collar work says you need to get shit done regardless of how much you're fuck up your body in the 40 hour work week. Not to mention, shit ton of tradies eat like complete garbage.
>>537638371>you're fuck up your body*you'll fuck up
>jeets steal your college degree job>meximutts steal your manual labor trade job>apply to mcdonalds as your only option and the meximutt manager doesn't hire you because you're not a meximuttHow do Americans deal with this?
>>537638371>eat like garbageyeah, it takes time and extra money to eat well. something working class people don't haveyour problem is with capitalism>>537637630so how are those austerity measures going? your economy recover yet?
>>537637630Nigga wear a power lifting belt
i never post but i need to post this. there IS a cure for lower back pain. you need to stretch your glutes, hamstrings, and most importantly your hips and groin.go on you knees facing forward. put one leg directly to the side with your toes pointed forward and flat on the floor as much as possible. try touching your feet as you stretch. once youre done, do the same stretch but this time your toe is towards the sky. then switch legsthis single stretch alone will instantly relieve back pain. if done often enough you wont ever have back pain again. lower back pain doesnt come from your back. it comes from tight muscles and ligaments below your back (pelvic girdle) that are pulling down on the muscles of the back causing spasms, stiffness, pain etcyoure welcome
>>537637630Plumbers get paid more than doctors and engineers - and they're not getting replaced by AI anytime soon.
>>537638102Overworking your body destroys itAthletes die young and have their joints explode
>>537637630>trades>backpainthat's an office cuck problem around here, knees are getting fucked instead
>>537638511Checked. This anon is right. Back pain mostly comes from weak tight muscles. Get the back mechanic book.
>>537638511This will destroy your gains.
>>537638102Yes. My great uncle worked construction. He lived to 94 and died in his sleep, healthy until the day he died. My grandfather worked an office job. He had a stoke at 59 and and spent the last 22 years of his life slowly degrading to diabetes, heart attacks, infections, and eventually gangrene that took his legs until he died at 81 from sepsis due to an infection from a catheter. The back pain my great uncle might have had wasn't nearly as bad as anything my grandfather suffered.
>>537638563>more than doctorsno they are not lol the fuck a polish pumbler gets paid more than a surgeon that can literally save your life where the fuq are you getting this.
>>537638511This description turned me into a human swastika trying it
>>537637630It's called an inversion table. You can buy them on Amazon for like $100.
>>537637630>deadlifts>bridging>deqa hangs from a bar>yoga without spiritual gayness. Just the poses>running/walking>swimming>doing prehab/rehab if you are injured>dynamic stretches rather thsn static for warmups>have someone walk on your back>massages>foam rolling>ergonomic seating or stand more often than sitting at work/school etc.Nope truly, impossible as they say, must be those EXPERTS who always know whats upSaged because thos thread is pointless
>>537638511This explanation is terrible.
>>537638630if you do this you can lift way heavier since your back wont get fucked up because you forgot to stretch your groin/glutes my mom used to get crippling back pain once a month. she would literally be bed ridden and then walk around using a cane for 2-3 days. she now just does a child pose stretch every night before bed. 8 years later, she never hurts her back anymorei played hockey for 20 years, i could barely get out of bed some days until i figured this out. havent had a back problem since
>>537638511Some of these yeaAlso; traumatic relief exercises go a long way for oddball knots and nervous tension built up in the body also
Lower your tone unless you are working 60h a week like a real man
>>537638734you ever watch a hockey goalie make a toe save while hes on one knee? its like that
>>537638511Just do the door frame stretch its way simpler lol.put your elbows on a door frame entrance and lunge foward with one knee, then the other. Done this stretches the lower back. And anyone can do it.
>>537638895>60Lmao its 100 hours
>>537638895>flip flops>wooden board falls on his pinky toe>oooow it breaks>he cant walk good for 4 monthsWear some steel toe boots while working nigga. Amazing aryan physique tho.
>>537638937youre not stretching your lower back at all. youre stretching your groin. stretching your lower back does nothing if your groin is still tightthe stretch should look like this. one knee down the other leg stretched out
>>537637630>Meanwhile those who went to university are working under A/C in comfy office jobsNot anymore. They’re given to women with zero experience.
>>537638102Exercise is stress so it wears your body out. Think of your body like the condition of your car, except you cant replace any parts.
just lay on the floor completely flat, works for me
>>537638511>there IS a cure for lower back pain.the data is just clogged with liars who want pain meds anon
>>537639033brother...watch this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa0cbFSizjg
OP sounds like he's coping.
>>537638102Haha retard slav brain on display.Even the strongest body can be broken down by repetitive over use and/or malnourishment or sleep deprivation.The most sadistic jailers have always enjoyed breaking the strongest men down.
>>537639074>can't Adrenochrome and human farms say otherwise.
>>537638895>breaks his back for the tiktok videobased
>>537638430community colleges or subsidized training programs
>>537637630
>>537639074If only cell division was possible
>>537637630Sitting isn't great for your back either. Your back is going
>>537639447>what are telomeres..
>>537638511Please, make a doodle for this. I don't understand and my back pain is crippling.
>>537637630Lol I'm 41 and I can still kick your ass
>he fell for the working in the trades memeI smoke weed and do nothing in the trades and then bleed the county dry in union fees.
>>537638895Hey dumbass, quit fucking around and make 2 trips. You look like a fucking idiot
>>537639532My ass would swallow your leg boot and all in one bite
>>537639584Also it's fucking pine, that's light as hell
>>537639600Sounds super gay
>>537637630I've seen a lot of office people with fucking health issues worse than tradesmen. You just sound physically weak and helpless.
>>537638102That's only true in your 20s
>>537637630go to the gym, do cardio and light weight workout an 45 minutes day, with sauna afterwardswhy is common sense so hard to judentists?
>>537638852I stretche my groin on your mum .
>>537639829>my mom used to get crippling back pain once a month. she would literally be bed ridden gues why>>537639829
>>537639625It'll be even gayer when you don't have a leg anymore and have to tell people how you lost it.
>tfw an office worker who does nothing but shitpost all day and uses the office gym for freeI won
>>537639997Been office wagie for over 10 years now.Feel like my life is meaningless. I need adventure.
>>537640439Save up a bunch of money and sell all your shit and go homeless for a while. Traveling around homeless living in a tent and backpack in America was fucking amazing because I had $30k in my savings. Didn't have to beg ever and a little money stretched a long way in that lifestyle. You'll have an adventure that will radically change and define your life for the better. Do it in America for better results, hang out with the criminals and lowlifes. I did it for 7 years and actually began making tons of money back, have lifelong friends who I met on the road, and had anime thriller-esque encounters with people and amazing journeys that made me feel like I was in a book.
>>537637630I fell off a roof last year and fractured my spine. Swimming and medical cannabis have done wonders for me, got off the opiods asap.Also particularly if you are an overweight you need to lose that fat and stop eating inflammatory slop.>>537638102If you are young, yes. But once you hit the late 30s your body is on a downward trajectory. Lots of older tradies I know have all sorts of ailments
>>537640509kek nice, did you fuck strippers? Sounds like that part is mandatory
>>537637630>Good luck not being able to get out of a chair at 40Vitamin B9, the top shelf variants. Thank me later.
>>537640509Sounds like a sugarcoated Netflix adaptation of being a fent addict
>>537640550No I fucked incredibly hot hippie women out in Mt.Shasta who, yeah they probably have high body counts but they also do yoga and extreme hiking every single day and could rip your dick off with their pussy grip accidentally. The hottest one I had sex with had a massive SS black sun tattooed on her back and was extremely into Aleister Crowley on a technical near-autistic level. She sucked me off over 20 times and introduced me to anal and had a huge rack and just fucking amazing 10/10 body, short hair tomboy esque energy but she was savvy enough to know everything about that shit and milk it. Almost like Boxxy. Another lady I was with was slightly older but again ripped, huge thighs, thick hips, nice waist and abs, huge tits, loved killing things and skinning them and she had a cabin decked out in bear skins she processed herself. Tons of these kinds of women live out in that, and it is a completely hidden world from society due to needing to be broke and homeless to achieve even running in the same circles which I call high functioning homeless/houseless people. They could be CEOs if they wanted to, but they know that's not the kind of life for a human. TONS of drug use and people with extremely mental disorders, but it's kind of like what you'd expect a real-life 4chan to be like but as a precursor that's existed long before the internet.
>>537637630It's a spinal /Intervertebral disc problem where the disc between the vertebrae ether rips or wears down and then it's bone on bone friction unavoidable because of gravity.You can't regrow that disc and it gets worse with the age.
>>537637630There's a flip side to that, I work outside in the fresh air and get plenty of exercise, low stress with regular clients. My brother has owned an co owned big firms and had contracts to design and build big projects in sydney, he had a heart attack at 50. He's okay now but there's a big difference to muscle aches and pains and stress related illness and being sedentry.
>>537637630Aren't you the greek anon that's essentially milking whatever graduate program at your local uni, and living like freeloader there?
>>537638511>>537638614>>537638630>>537638734>>537638844>>537638861>>537638937>>537639103>>537639529TRE (trauma release exercises)
>>537640740>There's a flip side to that, I take cock outside in the fresh air and get plenty of exercise, low stress with regular clients that are not rough on my whore holesStill a whore, you fresh air whore.
>>537640719Also all the men in these circles are either super ripped or super fucking ugly fat bastard mode, and the women like both leaning towards the fat bastards more because the super ripped people are all very obvious fake people while the fat bastards all drink and have drugs and are in general chill salt-of-the-earth types. It would be an /r9k/ incel's fucking savior lifestyle if they could even stomach going outside for that long let alone lose all the comforts of babylon. There's a reason they sent you brits off to the foreign legion when you were young; so you could see the world and see how good you had it, and most of you would come back seeing the world and how good they had it instead. It's kind of like that situation long-term. If you live on this side of society you're living in hell and there is heaven right next door.
>>537640719wow, normies can be so wild.
>>537638102Everyone that replied to you is retarded.Exercise makes your MUSCLES stronger because they're meant to be worn down and then recover. Which is also why resting, sleep and nutrition is as important as exercising.However, your joints, can't recover like that. If you put strain on them, repeatedly, for hours daily, for years, you'll fuck them up. This is why athletes that gave 100% every day for their careers end up needing multiple surgeries later in life because they fucked up their joints. In regular exercise you're supposed to use proper form to put as much of the load away from your joints, like the knees and spine.Tradies not only are very commonly obese due to eating like shit, they never use proper form, they lift with their backs instead of legs, they crawl on their knees without pads etc. and end up blowing their joints.
>>537640719What kind of motorcycle do you ride?
>>537638216Her company won't survive a decade
>>537638102it should, you need at least 2 days rest between physical exertion so your body can recover properly. it doesn't help that tradies often eat like shit, smoke like train, and drink coffee like water.immigrants all look alike to white people so they can sub with their cousin every other day and none would be the wiser while whites can't do that.
>>537640808Many of them are bigger autists and nerds than people you'd find on here, and most of them are heavily acquainted with vintage anime and games and shit. I've been here since 2004 and came from newgrounds and felt completely at home with these groups.
>>537640816I tore my miniscus playing lacrosse in high school. I literally did nothing. Not even crutches. And just limped around until I was better. But there’s like bone that pushes outward from my right knee. And for the last 25 years this kinda dulling but not debilitating pain will come at totally random times for maybe a week or two on average. Maybe a couple times a year or once a year. Then no pain at all for 2 years. I hadn’t had it for 3-4 years and then it came on and it was the worst it had ever been and it lasted about a month. I didn’t think it would go away that time but it did. And nothing for a year now.
>>537640801K
>>537640968Don't "k" m you fresh air slut, you better come back with a crushing argument, AI is fair game, I'll crush your work holes anyway.
>>537637630MAID it is
>>537637630Sitting at a desk on a computer all day will fuck up your back just as good, dumdum.
>>537638371The "severe strain" feels like nothing if you are in shape and strong.I have seen my coworkers dislocate their shoulders from lifting shit I can curl with one arm.The tradies who fuck up their body are just comically out of shape and drink too much.
>>537640947It's a meniscal cyst that's causing you pain, although after all those years it's probably hardened into scar tissue.
>>537638102Most blue collar guys have shit nutrition. You can't squat and lift 5bdays a week on a cheap carbs diet.
>>537637630Incidentally, those with office jobs are having massive back problems because staying motionless and sitting in an unnatural posture 8 hours a day for decades is actually bad for you. You want a job that lets you stay active, ideally involves lots of walking, but doesn't require lifting heavy weights.
OP is partially correct. Don't hurt your back by working in the trades until you're old.Hurt your back right away at a specific job site, while you're young and can enjoy the time off and free money.
>>537641731Ty
>ITT the employim argue over which slave class is better.
lots of times the solution is a new mattresspeople are sleeping on old oneslots of people benefit from a harder, thinner mattress which can be cheapthe Ikea ones are primothey even come super-compressed, you can carry them by hand in a roll out of the storeyou let them expand for 4 days after you cut them out of the plastic
>working will destroy you>I should work with my mindNothing of value was lost.
>>537637630Walk on all 4 and your spine wont suffer. Animals invented this long time ago.
>>537637630Literal basic stretches and exercises will prevent that. Only idiotic boomers fucked themselves over. Plus my country is pretty lucky when it comes to safety laws and the like. If I feel unsafe I can quite literally stop work and tell my boss I'm not performing XYZ until it's safe to do so and they can't do shit but comply.
lol there’s more to the trades than just busting ass all day everyday, at least the ones that require licensing. That’s bottom of the barrel stuff. There’s still a ton of options, city and maintenance jobs, etc, where you have an excellent balance of working/chilling and maximum benefits. Busting ass every single day is for solo guys and apprentices. It’s truly not like that and shouldn’t be if you have any Iq and experience, and when it is you are getting well needed exercise and getting paid for it.
>>537637630>Meanwhile those who went to university are working under A/C in comfy office jobsThey got replaced by indians and AI which is just an indian that has no anus and it must shit.
>>537637630Actually sitting at a desk all day is worse for your back. No movement = no spinal fluid pumping t.Chiropractor
I never see trades destroyed bodies. People who have been doing work like that are still jumping around in old age. You are just a weakling.
>>537637630I've worked construction my entire life and I don't suffer these issues. My career allowed me to build a home, raise a family, and set back a good amount. I'll retire in a few years at 55, probably.
>>537637630I'm 40 and a mechanic so I know all about back problems. Luckily this thing called "chiropractors" exist and as long as I visit her every other month or so my back doesn't have much trouble....
Yep i've had a herniated disk for a few years now. Absolutely zero help from so many medical "professionals". I've seen physios, GPs, etc. Their only solution is "Dude just take painkillers for the rest of your life dude it;s that easy". Insanity. I wasn't even offered surgery but i wouldn't go ahead with it anyway because i know better. Spinal surgery almost always makes the person worse and usually you have to do multiple of them. Luigi comes to mind, that asian youtube guy who was a surgeon and left his job also shed some light on what a farce this area really is.
>>537637630All injuries occur from muscle imbalances. Lower back pain in particular is caused by a weak erector spinae. Back hyper extensions fix this dumb nigger.
My advice to any zoomers reading this, focus on flexibility/mobility, wake up and have a stretching routine every morning. Don't lift heavy, some things simply cannot be "fixed" once they happen.
>>537637630I fixed 80% of my back pain by doing a sacral reset, doing dead hangs, and going weighted hikes. I've had trouble getting rid on the pain in my L4-L5 area, but I've been making progress on that as well by changing my sleeping and sitting habits.
>>537646507Gay tranny advice.
>>537638371I'm a part tradie part management and the way I manage the work is by eating a body builders diet. Tradies who eat like I do last. The pacos and cletuses who don't end up fat and destroyed.
>>537637630you can just get a steroid, injection you fuckin galaxy brain
>>537638102It would only be a workout if they handled manageable weights in a controlled way, rested once tired, took the following day or two off from that, and ate lots of good protein.What tradies do is arse about, lifting wrong, lifting too much, lifting until the job is done, then doing it again tomorrow, on a diet of microwave burgers and van slop.That's why they're not ripped and capable
>>537638102Kek walking in concrete all day doesn't make you strong. It just wears down your bones and joints.
>>537638102Maybe if you only worked part time, but doing the same repetitive motion all day long isn't exactly a good work out it's a good way to blow out your joints for no good reason at all
the dumbest people i know have back problems and work the same jobs as regular intelligence people. pretty sure theyre just stupid and lift wrong all the time. i dont do manual labor for a living but i have a hobby farm and heavy equipment and never have any sort of back problems
>>537640547>If you are young, yes. But once you hit the late 30s your body is on a downward trajectory.Tired of this meme. This is only most people's experience because they live sedentary shit lives, eat yummy slop, casually overweight and undertrained.They break down because they abuse and underutilise their bodies for the preceding 20 years, not because it's an inevitability
>no treatmentsHundreds of treatments
>>537638430we don't, life is hell and there's nothing good to look forward to, i hope we get nuked.
>>537646567my tradie friend had to get back surgery recently. his diet is basically candy and monster energies, and he sleeps on a mattress directly on floor with no bed frame. he thinks hes cool
>>537637630Usually not even herniated discs and inflammation. Just muscular hypertrophy. I treat back pain with massage every day
>>537638511Checked and correct
>>537647276>pretty sure theyre just stupid and lift wrong all the timethat's really all there is to it, bad form
Im 41, have 4 children 11 and under, still a maintenance electrician for a school district. Highschool dropout myself. Trades are where its at, but you still need to take care of your body. Gotta exercise and rest. Recoup correctly, eat right. Almost all of the bad tradesman stories are coming from white trash who fueled themselves on drugs, alcohol and garbage food.
>>537647305by 40 you can really tell who eats right and works out. the retards will be broken down and say it's old age and the people who take care of their bodies will still be near peak fitness
>no treatment for back paininversion table, once a week
>>537640794>vigorous shaking to induce body wide vibrationsim no expert on this, but there's method to this, i remember seeing something about kicking medicine balls in physiotherapy trainingwas for some sport or martial art, i cant remember
>>537638430As a handome 230IQ white man? I made a day-trading robot, sold my house for almost 300k profit, and just keep pumping out more kids while my accounts slowly dwindle. Not good. I been looking for a job for a couple years but no one even calls back anymore. Pretty sure I have been blackballed by all the hiring robots due to anti-semitism. Idk maybe I will start my own business soon. Gotten into knifemaking but i doubt there is any money in custom knives
>>537647826oh sorry i forgot to mention that the kicking of the ball was supposed to induce vibrational waves throughout the body or something similar
>>537638102If you don't vary your movements you give yourself repetitive stress injuries, but if you varyyour movements you get buff. Tree trimmers get buff because they have to vary movements.
>>537638511This is actually very very true.A lot of your back muscle extend into you glutes area.Its same the same neck/head pain as those extend down into you high/mid back. Any head, back, but pain can come from different areas than where cause of the pain is from.No one gets help with his stuff or even know its a thing cause physical therapists would be the one to tell you and there are all 80IQ retards.Also its like 75% of a physical therapists business, if people knew this stuff and just chsnged almost nothing about there life these places would be out of business.The ignorance of the intersection of back muscles with the head neck and legs is literally their business model. The more their employees and customers are ignorant the better
>>537637630Lift with your legs MOTHERFUCKER
>>537637630I work at neurosurgery as nurse. 8 see trade cucks with back pain daily hoping surgery fixes their problem. In most cases the problem returns after just couple of years. This is why i never help fat patients to move and i will rather let them rot imobile in their beds covered by shit than risk injury. Fat people deserve to die.
>>537638511Tradie cope... this wont fix literal stenosis or hernia disci.
>>537637630I've been working an office job for 7 years and i just started getting back pains.
>>537648438How often do you get to touch BBCs?
>>537648526>I've been working an office job for 7 years and i just started getting back pains.I've been self employed in a office job for 30 years and dont know what back pain even is. Go for a walk/eat better food.
>>537637630The only true treatment for back pain is identifying which ranges if motion in your hips and spine have become limited and restoring full ROM with strength training.
>>537648612I have never seen nigger in hospital. You mutts are too fixated on niggers. We barely have any outside couple of them who reside in our capital. My city is literally 99,5% white and these 0,5% are gypsies who are basically jeet mantlets. No niggers and no mohamedans. Its safe whole day and night.
>>537648667Cope... this doesnt solve lumbal stenosis or hernia disci. Copelets like you always come sooner or later to our neurosurgery unit. Which doesnt solve their problems in many cases as well.
>>537637630its why we argue that blue collar jobs get paid more than white collar office plebs.Labour should be high paid, sitting on arse all day on telephone = low paid.fuck up nigas.
>>537638102Highly repetitive motions are bad for connective tissue, especially when thats combined with bearing strangely balanced loads at awkward angles
>>537637630I know this is a data mining thread, but I love young or wanna-be tradies recent cope...>...just learn to lift correctly bro!>...you have the right PPE, don't you anon?KEK! Almost all older tradies I know hates their life, has searing pain in at least one joint, and are addicted to painkillers. The only ones that don't own the business, but that's just a small group of tradies.
>>537637630Regular swiming treats back pain. Not just floating, swiming. Like a few miles a week, 40 mins to an hour 2~3 times a week.The time in the water removes the pressure of weight on your back, lets the muscles and tendons stretch out and reset their position.The swiming itself reinforces all your back muscles, ALL of them, without over stressing them. It gives them a full spectrum stretch as well.It also makes you lose weight so your back isn't as stressed.There's no shortcut, there's no magic pill. If you have back pain, your life needs to involve 3 hours of swiming a week.
>>537641655>HURR DURR look at the useless thing I can do that others cannotKEK, you are a faggot
>>537648619I walk every day in nature. Often 7-10k steps. And my diet is extremely healthy with eggs, fish, meat, and almost no processed foods. >>537649051thanks for the tip
>>537637630>your back hurtsyea, from carrying this entire fucking continent
>>537637630The slavic/asian squat fixes it really fast
>>537648938So that's why my pelvis hurtsToo much thrusting
10 years of physical labor and have zero problems, worked in IT for a year and I developed back problems.Went back to physical labor jobs working outside, office jobs will rot your brain and health.
>>537637630I feel sorry for all those people working in the office who have to walk home bending over forwards from sitting on their increasingly corpulent asses all day.
>>537638371>You can't severely strain your body nearly every day for hours on end with minimal rest.ThisThey'd do well to have Wednesdays off for rest and ChurchThen, again, Sunday
>>537638734That's normal. Keep doing it until you can speak fluent German.
>>537638511I'm sorry anon do you mean the same sort of position as when you're standing upright and put your foot on the kitchen counter in front of you, but down on the ground for an increased stretch angle?
>>537638511Even if this works, do you really see tradies doing this every day either before or after their 8+ hours of work? KEK
>>537638102I work in an office and we have a gym so I do get paid to work out and be comfy air conditioned when I want
>>537637630a chair does more harm to your back than labour
>>537637630My back used to hurt all the time. You know what helped? Using it you fucking wimps. Obviously don’t go overboard but a strong back is a healthy back. There’s plenty of yard projects that require bending over, get to it nerds.
>>537639280Retarded boomer faggot>>537638430things get worse and faggots post boomer faggot cope that worked 30 years ago because this site is full of gen xers who spent their entire lives crying about old people and didn't realize that at 55 they are now old
>>537650191Well thank god we have weak ass zoomie faggots to take over.
>>537638102The idea that manual labor makes you strong is 100% false. Those guys who say "going to the gym is tryhard, real men just get strong doing construction!" is gigacope To get strong, you need two things: progressive overload and recovery. Manual labor has no progressive overload. They're not maxing out squatting 405 lbs of equipment, they're squatting like 50 lbs over and over and over and over. There's basically zero hypertrophic stimulus, they're just slowly grinding themselves down, like a marathon runner who builds zero muscle mass while also grinding their knee joints into dust. And more importantly, this problem is compounded by the fact that they DO NOT GET ANY RECOVERY. When you lift heavy weights, you're going all out, but then you're letting those muscles/joints/ligaments rest and recover. You're not benching 315 for 8 hours and then doing the exact same thing for 5 days in a row. Manual laborers are grinding their bodies away for an entire day, and then having to do the same thing the next day and the next day. No time is given for recovery. They can't, they're not allowed to. Doing so would mean not working or getting fired. They don't get to work with a split or on an AxBxCxx rotation with recovery days.
>>537637630cope poorfag.
>>537650293if you spend your entire life undermining the system and refusing to enable skills training and outright give SBA loans to jeets instead of zoomers how the fuck do you expect the system to exist>heh you'll never surpass us, we drank from fire hoses because our boomer parents were divorced!Boomer lites should realize social security is insolvent in just 6 years, we are already at the cliff, there's no time left for all the shit people were talking about 15 years ago but did nothing about.You will suffer the most and young guys will just grow gardens in their backyard and work with each other, denying you their labor, leaving you to starve as your asset prices go to zero. This is the future you chose.
>>537638102All of the physical jobs I’ve worked are modern day slavery. There are no adequate breaks, no adequate fitness exams, no adequate ramping up of work. You are treated worse than an animal. It’s very simple to explain to anybody who has ever exercised or went to the gym:>what if you did arm day, leg day, full body day, every day, for 8 hours straight with one significant break and maybe two tiny other breaks? wouldn’t you get huge and big and strong, super fast?>”no, you’d obliterate your body and nobody could handle that except Olympians on a 4,000 - 6,000 calorie diet “So why the fuck do regular jobs hire random people and treat that like it’s perfectly normal? Should be a crime.
>>537639529Just sit flat on the floor and try to reach your toes. Do it until it burns/hurts a bit.If you can't reach your toes at all, lay flat on your back, and use a belt around the bottom of your foot, and pull your lower leg so your knee moves towards your chest. Hold for 30 seconds while it hurts/burns then relax for a minute or two then repeat.I had chronic lower back pain from too much sitting at a desk. Stretching and switching to a kneeling chair got rid of the symptoms after a month.
>>537649300If it's useless why do people get paid to do it?If nobody cares then why are you seething so hard?
Go to youtubeLow Back AbilityKnees over toes guybuy a hyperextension roman chair
>>537638102No... its like high blood pressure, you use the same muscles over and over and they reach a certain level of strength and then just stops gaining more strength and it doesn't become a workout at that point really. I'm a welder and people think I must have an iron grip, I mean I probably have a higher grip strength than your average person, but I don't think I'll be rock climbing any time soon. Your body also adapts to calorie efficiency for the tasks you do, it's rare my HR is elevated while at work because my body is used to the work.
>>537637630Stretch correctly and frequently, make sure your opposing muscles (chest, abs, pelvic floor/groin) are strong as well as the back muscles, utilize massage therapy, and making sure your mattress/pillow is correct as well as proper rest and recovery will solve 90% of back issues.
>>537650328>100% falseIt's not though.It's just not the optimal way to build strength.You don't need the same recovery period because you're not overloading to the same degree that you do in a gym. But so long as you're eating enough then your body will overtime develop the strength required to do the job and then maintain that strength. It's just straight up bullshit to claim that working construction will not build strength when anyone that has ever worked construction has seen their own strength increase over their first 12 months and seen the same in every other new guy on the job.
>>537637630If you are white, you should go into the trades. If you are nonwhite, you should go to law school or med school
>>537650752>your body will overtime develop the strength required to do the job and then maintain that strength. That's the point I'm making though. It does NOT require a lot of strength to carry light (relative to strength training) loads over and over and over each day. Just like running marathons will not build strong leg muscles. And if you ran marathons every day without recovery, you grind your joints into dust. Just eating enough calories to make up for the energy spent on exertion doesn't change this.
>>537641795Why athletes eat pasta then?
>>537642716Wait thats mattress girl?I missed that whole psyop back in 2011 so whe hear people refer to her now in 2020 i never knew what she did or what she looked like
>>537637630>A/C Only boomers say this.
>>537637630>muh poor uneducated tradies destroying their bodies.It certainly depends on the trade, as to how your body is affected long-term, but there are ways you can use the exercise to your advantage, if done intelligently, but there is no getting away from the fact that the body wears out, and a life of hard graft sends many men to the knackers yard early on.On the plus side, they have got to work early, not wasted their lives commuting, and have been a part of their kids lives, every night.They have been able to work in a male dominated environment, where it is still possible to talk like a real human being, not have to worry about your fucking pronouns, and enjoy the kind of life only possible when women are not part of the equation (I'm talking about women in general there, not ever woman, but it ends up boiling down to the same thing.).
>is your back pain muscular, tendon, or joint?>owowowo my back hurts give me pills
>>537638895>this cuntIs literally going to end up disabling himself for the likes.
>>537637630Working physical jobs is less damage than sitting still or standing all day.And if you work out you don't even feel pain. I started working out in addition to a physically demanding job and my elbows and knees no longer pop.The solution is to be less of a lazy piece of shit, not more of one.
>>537651033athletes eat more than just pasta
>>537651033Because athletic performance is heavier on the fuel reserves than being a construction worker is.They need the carb load to mitigate and delay the inevitable glucose crash in the middle of their run / cycling tour.Not that construction workers don't work hard ofc. It's a different workload. They're lifting heavy in short stints, while pro cyclists and runners are pushing for hours straight.
>>537638102Yes, assuming you use good body mechanics, don't strain or overwork yourself, eat well, and get plenty of rest. Those behaviors are seen as "gay" by most tradies so they are obese, jerking their weight around, ego lifting, subsisting off of gas station garbage and energy drinks, and hardly sleeping. I was in the trades for over 20 years and refused to abuse my body, I'm 40 now with no joint, weight, or back problems and the guys who made fun of me (even if usually good naturedly) have had multiple back and shoulder surgeries, are on painkillers, and most are diabetic. I still do finish carpentry from time to time and I try to convince the young guys to end up like me and not the broken fatasses they see struggling through the day.Strong muscles make joints strong, and using good body mechanics takes full advantage of your muscles, but it's not magic, you still have to keep your ego in check.
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>>537637630Sitting in a chair all the time is worse for your back. Yoga and sex is the best thing for your back.
>>537638430Women suck dick. Men live on welfare
>>537638470>yeah, it takes time and extra money to eat well. something working class people don't have>your problem is with capitalismbullfuckingshitThe company I work for offers on-site meals which are pretty descent, but 99% of my co-workers always buy a 2L bottle of coke to share, then at the end of the shift they take home a bunch of shitty snacks like doritos and monster energy drinksThey are still in children/adolescent mode even though they are on their mid-to-late 20sThey just don't think about anything else other than what makes them happy
also the secret to being a wageslave is fastingthis class was never meant to eat too much, if you learn how to fast properly you can become a super wagie.
>>537640842A decade? Her company is going to have a RIF (reduction in force, aka sweeping layoffs) very soon and they're just keeping the plebs satisfied until they figure out the logistics of it and who to cut. Then there will be enough work to fill a day for all those left. Seen this many times and in this economy things like this happen a LOT quicker. I give her company 6 months before the layoffs start.
>>537638430suicide or neetdom.
>>537637630reminder there are people ITT who will post snakeoil. if you blow out a disc, it's over. your only hope is spinal fusion, opiods or "luck."
>>537638212you are probably brown.
>>537638838>yogano, never.you are almost certainly a jeet.jeets have exactly nothing to offer the world in the realm of fitness, or indeed anything.
>>537638680which brings us to genes, it’s all about your genes and some luck whether or not you live long and relatively healthy despite your lifestyle
>>537637630ITT: poor people who don't have a chiropractor
>>537650518>Soft boy never worked past 5 hours a day.
>>537642716Could this be a thing? I sleep on an old mattress which is very soft, ive tried harder matrass from my ex but that made me wake up everynight with one arm fully numb. What do?Im not fat but my bloodflow isnt great
>>537637630anyone that isn't a neet or self employed is a loser
>>537637630I've been installing garage doors for 6 years. My back is fine. Stop being a pussy.
>>537638102As a coworker with a permanently fucked back once explained:>Busting sod creates strong back>Strong back creates lack safety standards>Lack safety standards creates poor lifting form>Poor lifting form creates herniation>Strong back makes herniation worseMotherfucker had the same herniated disc drilled out twice only to live with modest backpain as opposed to the crippling kind.That said you should never get surgery to fix a bad back. PT or nothing.
>>537637630AI is gonna merk all those Cush white collar jawbbies
>>537637630sitting in a chair for long periods is actually bad for your back, bud.
>>537653905AI-powered robots are coming for blue collar jobs too. The only thing holding them back is cost, which is the same thing holding back AI from taking white collar jobs.
>>537639008Drama queen.
>>537638371>you can fix back pain by eating salad instead of cheeseburgersso OP is just a liar?
>>537637630I'm 65, work as a tradie, and my back and knees are fine.
>>537638235>Sitting at a deathHow many funerals do you attend? Are you a professional mourner?
>>537637630Depends solely on the industry and country. I'm an electrician mostly doing b2b solar and smart lighting. It's rare I have to carry something heavy or work in awkward positions. There's a big difference between my work and a regular "climb in the attic" work.
>>537642249Dont ever sit like this. If you work at a desk, raise your screen on a rock or something until you are bolt upright when looking at the center. Looking down will kill your back.
>>537638511>go on you knees facing forward. put one leg directly to the side with your toes pointed forward and flat on the floor as much as possible. try touching your feet as you stretch. once youre done, do the same stretch but this time your toe is towards the sky. then switch legsYou're terrible at describing things.
>>537649827Kek
>>537638511>>537648133No mention of hip flexors? 95% of the people ITT have bad backs from sitting too much. Would you like to know more?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEfYw9ch3sw>>537642716Don't fall for the mattress jew. Sleep on a hard surface. I've slept on tatami (no futon) my entire adult life, no ragrets.>>537640794Don't know about back pain, but TRE is fucking great for stress. It actually is that One Weird Trick™ that works astonishingly well.Disagree with the "consciously" making your knees tremble. The idea is to put your legs in a position where they tremble on their own.For those who don't know: lie on your back, tuck your heels into your balls, and try to bring your knees together.Somewhere between a 120° and 90° arc your groin muscles will start spasming. This is what you want. Try to keep your knees at whatever position induces the most spasming.Fucking try it. It's fucking magical.
>>537638567what destroys your joints is when you stop using them and then you go out and use them before they've woken up and are still numb, people stopped taking the time to do stretches and warmups before they woke up 9 times out of 10 that's why they get hurt.
>>537642716I recently just flipped mine over so I'm sleeping on the harder bottom, I love it so far, no sinking into ir
>>537650043This. I spent all day yesterday literally helping a company set up a gym. I carried plates and dumbbells around for 7 hours. I feel fine. Never had any issues with my back.
>>537648526Do kettlebell swings for posterior chain, start slow and lowish weight
>>537650328your retardeda man that routinely carries heavy stuff for a living will be stronger than a gym rat bitch boy who only lift weights, 100% of the time
>>537637630Just don't get a trades job where you have to lift heavy things or crawl around on your knees all the time.>be me>study land surveying>get paid to go hiking in the woods or walk around the city measuring stuff >get at least 10k steps a day>no back problems after +10 years >my friends who got office jobs are mostly fat and out of shape, look visibly older than me >try doing office work and feel like garbage mentally and physically after only a couple weeks I don't know how people sit in a chair in front of a computer 8 hours a day for years on end
>>537646187ChiropractorYou could not even get into a Caribbean medical schoolPharmacy Tech at Walmart is higher up than you
>>537654784The tripods, how do they work?
>>537654763Yeah kettlebell swings are a great all around workout. Strength and cardio in one exercise.I do Pavel Tsatsouline's Simple and Sinister workout twice a week. Worked up to a 36kg kettlebell.That's 100 swings in 5 minutes then 10 Turkish getups in 10 minutes.I started with a 24kg kettlebell and was absolutely wrecked but now it feels easy.
>>537645340>If I feel unsafe I can quite literally stop work and tell my boss I'm not performing XYZ until it's safe to do soYou can do that in America too and if there is an actual safety issue the supervisor will often take your side with enthusiasm, because its a chance for him to BTFO the bigger boss. Having worked in both office and trades i prefer trades.
there is no such thing as a painkiller. the only thing that reduces the sensation of pain is sedation. you can only turn off pain by turning off the brain.the treatment for chronic pain is lifestyle modification - for example learning to move in pain friendly ways, and getting therapy to deal with the negative thoughts that pain causes to reduce its impact on your life.but people refuse to do that. they just want a pill.my father has chronic pain. he refuses to acknowledge it as a limitation on his life so he will go and clear lantenna on our land for hours and hours and be immobilised in agony for the next week. instead of doing this, if he was willing to accept that he has a chronic illness and is not healthy and young anymore, he could for example clear lantenna for 20 minutes each day - a pain-friendly behaviour.people do this naturally, but it's much more effective when guided by an expert in chronic disease.shit costs money though.
>>537640719interesting new fed tactic to push being homeless and rejected from society as romantic and you doing the rejection.Those people you described had a handful of kids at best across their entire distribution. As such its nothing more than another form of hedonism and escapism driving the host population into extinction. In the 1920's they had a big push like that to romanticize being a hobo/tramp as well. That underclass of society continued to simmer until the 40's, then was rebuilt in the 60's. All of it pushed by the feds in both decades as the vast majority of real people living in such destitution are in no position to exact change in life when they are barely able to eat a loaf of bread. Begging or dealing drugs/booze insured the system could easily round them up for 'crimes' if they became too competent and organized. As they lived on the fringe, but didn't become hill people, there was no martial risk to the population rebelling.Even if what you said was true. Exceptions do not make the rule, and that lifestyle is deranged when raising children. As well as impossible to forge roots as a tribe to defend against external forces. For every one person who moves thru that lifestyle in their early youth, there will be thousands who are simply ruined by poverty and social stigma even if they want to no longer live homeless.To be homeless is to be a refugee within your own nation.
>>537653339>>yoga>no, never.>you are almost certainly a jeet.>jeets have exactly nothing to offer the worldAgreed, but yoga isnt from the jeets, just the spiritual gayness. The exercise originated from British army calisthenics.
>>537654918Fuck I'd have to write a long essay on how total stations work. tl;Dr we set up on a point with known coordinates then measure everything relative to that point with trigonometry and lasers to map out the area. That's for more precision work though we mostly use GPS these days because it's faster
10 year tradie hereIt started to fuck my back until I learned to go slower, and do like 3 different stretches and some chinups. Now I basically just work out constantly with directed recovery and conditioning Sitting on your ass every day with occasional gym visits is worse than being a fit tradie. But it's better than being a fat tradie.
>>537639967you guys realize we have fully automatic assault cars now, violence is like breathing if done correctly what are you neolithic cave men use science
>>537655377Do you start with a new "known position" with every project? My experience with laz0rz suggests that would introduce monotonically increasing bias in a region. Sure it won't be much at first but every new project nudges it a little bit further...
>sprinted through warehouse to check stock of something>landed squarely on a giant crack in the cement floor where one side is 2 inches higher than the other part>takes me off my feet for 4 days>seems fine for a few months>suddenly can't walk around for more than 30 minutes now before i start limping and either the top of my foot starts semi-swelling which doesn't allow me to turn my foot at all or the heel starts getting inflamed and it slowly goes up to my calves>ankle braces do nothingwhat did i do to my ankle, /pol/? i'm so frustrated
>>537637630Yeah I played football in college and fractures my spine in three places and have been unemployed with a master's in electrical engineering.
>>537655717Walking on concrete for weeks or months will slowly destroy your joints and ligaments because there is 0.00% flex in it which your body isn't designed to handle
>>537637630Everybody saying to quit the nightly drinking and eating like shit is absolutely right. If you make every motion in your trade deliberate and controlled and fill your body with good protien and nutrition you all of a sudden wont be in pain. 8-10 beers a night after a rough shift and people wonder why they have permanent injuries, chronic inflammation and look like crack heads
>>537655717Sounds like a tendon or ligament slipped out of position and stayed there.Recommend rotating and extending your feet both directions prior to getting out of bed every morning.With luck, it will pop back into its proper place.
>>537638371People who work these jobs for a living are always much stronger than those who just pump iron at the gym.
>>537655717>>537655876It's illegal to house livestock on concrete. People work for decades in conditions unfit for pigsYou can help it by training jogging on your tiptoes on soft ground.
>>537650328Horsefeathers. I got really strong as a young man with no overloading and no heavy weights. I was following a book from the 60s, doing mostly calisthenics and body weight or isometric exercises. Plus some sandbags I made. I got strong that way, and I stayed strong. I have a friend who does heavy barbells, strength wise we are about the same. I can do his lifts, and we look about the same. I will admit that his way built muscle faster. But I will also say that when it comes to moving heavy objects, and we work together, I usually seem to have less trouble. I think the old exercises gave you great core power and energy management.
>>537655619Each provincial government set up a network of survey monuments with "official coordinates" referenced to latitude and longitude published online and technically everything is referenced to those.
Most back pains go away with weight loss, sprinting and stretching.
>>537655963>Recommend rotating and extending your feet both directionsdo you mean just rotating my foot in circles for awhile? does clockwise/counterclockwise matter?
>>537655619But yes propagation of error is a big thing in surveying that's why we have to reference out measurements to those monuments unless we're working in a local coordinate system like on a construction site for example
>>537638895Someday I will rape him
>>537638102everything comes at a cost.your body must split cells to repair itself, but cells can only be split so many times.if you work (out) really hard and build a lot of muscle, crack bones many times, work your cartilage, burn you skin, it's all gonna demand your cells to split up and repair damaged areas. so your cells will age faster compared to a person who lived an easy life.tldr; just don't place any unnecessary stress on the body by doing work, going outside, taking medicine, being fat, getting tattoos or anything else.
>>537655111The difference between this and every other platform is that our long posts are astonishing. Theres no angling for popularity here, theres no need to stay self consistent, if you have an idea you lay it on the table.
>>537656192>I was following a book from the 60sWhich book?
>>537656479Hormesis
>>537656285Yep, both directions. Also up and down. Basically go through your full range of motion prior to putting weight on them.>>537656204Let me guess, the Quebecoise somehow managed to fuck it up.
>>537641655you're aware it takes roughly your body weight to dislocate a shoulder unless there was an underlying issue? you can curl your own body weight retard?
>>537656717I can dislocate both shoulders at will and pop them back in like flexing a muscle
>>537637630this is why Luigi killed that faggot CEO btw
>>537657139Yeah and he’ll die in prison for it where his treatment will be even worse LOL
>>537657139we obviously need more hero's. nothing else worked.
>>537637630Genetics issue I can deadlift 3 plates at 160 lbs with no belt
>>537637630lol, desk fags are literally this. Picrel >picture of health
>>537637630bullshit, i eat 12 grams of kratom a day and haven't had a twinge of pain in my back besides the usual kidney stone ever since i started taking kratom, which by the way is much much better for me than the fucking morphine patches or percosets they were giving me unlimited amounts of. i also have this little waist coat looking thing they gave me post surgery that does pulsed magnetic therapy or some shit. basically promotes white blood cell production inside my bone marrow. i wear it 20 minutes a day also, so that + kratom=pain free since 3/17/20 when i switched from opiates to kratomt. has 4/5 lumbar vertebrae fused/caged vertibrae
>>537637630Proper diet and keeping the middle age belly fat down do wonders to alleviate back and knee pain.Stay away from foods that cause inflammation and/or take supplements to keep inflammation down.I haven't needed it, but I know a couple guys who had good luck with acupuncture.CBDs help some people.A shot of dark vinegar can take the edge off severe, acute back pain or even relax a seized back almost completely. I have no idea why it works, but the effect is almost instantaneous."Modern" medicine is a fucking scam.>t. 57 y/o tradie
>>537638102Tradie diets usually suck, and that's where pretty much all long-term, cumulative problems start. Look at the oldrr guys (45+) with pain issues and they've almost all got significant belly fat and were heavy drinkers at some point. And probably smoked.Injuries from an accident are a different matter.
>>537638102some do but they all deal with some sort of exposure to toxic shit. In my experience the worst include plumbers, sheetrockers, painters, welders, mechanics ... i build decks and porches and it's comfy af and it's really only the treated lumber that is nasty but at least i'm outdoors.
>>537654174Get rid of the carbs and junk food and most inflammation goes away or is significantly reduced.Most roach coach and fast food that tradies get is very high in carbs.Drinking 4-12 beers every night doesn't help either.>t. tradie for 40+ years
>>537637630>go to university >get a degree >work sitting down 8 hours per day for years >develop ass cancerlmao
>>537637630I use bayer back pills, 1 a day works finealso contains caffieneseriously if you're reading this and not a bot find bayer back pills, they make a difference back pain bros
>>537654431TRE is great, but inconsistently so in my xp.Also, if one can do it outside in thick grass or on the ground, relaxation effects might be amplified. Outside seemed to have better results than inside. YMMV.
>>537660878>not sunning your assholengmi
>>537655717You should have filed an incident report with management; they would give you a claim number; next would be go to emergency room for treatment; go see a workman's comp attorney and let them take over your claim.
>>537637630vicodin does, but they don't want you to have that
>>537638430Loser White dudes work night freight at Home Depot and similar; still majority of short haul truckers. All the loser Redneck who get out of the military work night freight since no one else will hire them and they do not want to go home.I would never eat at a fast food place with White or Black employees. Indians are buying up these places at least in SOCAL.
>>537637630A good job would be building hot dog carts, and selling hotdogs and hamburgers at public games.You can sell vegan franks and the cheap pork, chicken, beef, franks. Charge like 3 dollars for a 12 oz soda and hotdog.
>>537640509I would do so in a heartbeat but my knees are shot. Can't carry a backpack far offtrail, or repeated days in a row. Also, if one has the smallest legal prob on one's record, outside of traffic tickets, cops will absolutely hassle you if you have to interact with them. Ran a homeless shelter in Humboldt Co for awhile and can absolutely confirm there's people successfully living as you state.And, yes, some of the women are hot AF, though batshit insane. Had a GF that went back and forth between the US and Costa Rica. When she was in Costa Rica, she made bank doing silks on the beach for the tourists. Amazing bod.
>>537638511Im also finding that's the case to, anon. It's not the lower back. It's my glutes, groin, hamstrings that are the real culprit.
>>537637630>workingNo they arent. They have jobs. Big difference.
>>537639829Oh my goodness!
>>537661532If you want to do this, you need to have an in with whomever manages the event.The bigger the event, the bigger profits. You're probably imagining working stuff like Little League games but unless it's a tournament it won't be worth hauling shit out.We're talking attendance in the hundreds at minimum and several hours of captive audience.I know a guy who runs 3 such carts (donuts and shit, apparently they get better margin) and maybe does half a dozen events per year but they're huge events so he cleans up.That said, doing small scale events might be a good way to get contacts for larger events. You're just not going to make much money, as in barely enough to cover gas if it's a typical Little League game.
>>537639145Please, work a trade. We need guys like you in the field
>>537638371>Shit ton of blue collar work says you need to get shit done regardless of how much you're fuck up your body in the 40 hour work weekWith a white collar job you trade your time for moneyWith a blue collar job you trade your health for money>Oh you also trade your time for money
>>537638563>Plumbers get paid more than doctorslmao even here this isn't true, the average high-tier specialist makes three or four times more than a plumber>engineersyeah that's true
>>537641080>Fresh air slutKek
>>537641541but what if you lay down instead? or stand up?
>>537653418he's making a distinction between different lines of work retard
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>>537637630heroin.
Walking and mobility routines do. It’s counter-intuitive but if you get back pain there’s a good chance just doing more regular natural movement will help. How people sleep and relax is also a big contributors. Most sofas and beds are wrecking backs.
Another psy-op shill thread to dupe young men into breaking their bodies for $20/hr. You barely make more than driving a bus or a forklift.
>>537654784I can literally go on a 2 hour lunch break and go to the gym mid-day at my office job lol. Keep coping.
>>537638371>>537641655Yes and no.You can't do 90% 1RM equivalent every day and not expect shit to break.You can do 50% 1RM equivalent every day and be totally fine, and not need to go to the gym, it's endurance training.The issue is the following:>Many lifts in blue collar work are poor form>New blue collar workers haven't done anything physical ever in their lives and are totally untrained>Blue collar workers are often huge retards that don't know their limits or proper form
>>537637630What a faggot…..
>>537654174LEAVE BURGERS OUT OF THISNOTHING WRONG WITH BURGERS
>>537638511My nigga, the only correct post in this thread. Plus you can do squats too and give you a bigger booty
>>537656109gigacopehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNwve0x6Mkk
