"Israel" started the fight and continues the fight, and the majority of "Israelis" support continuing the fight. There are very few innocent people in "Israel."

>>537638414
>There is legitimately no "right" position to take on this conflict.
>yes there is
that they all die

>>537638414
>Hamas
>innocent people
>people

>>537638542
Hamas is a terrorist organization that openly wants to genocide Israelis, has perpetrated deadly terrorist attacks specifically targeting their civilians and will do so again, and still is the ruling power amongst that population. Of course they're going to support continuing the fight until Hamas is destroyed. Literally every other nation on Earth would do the same.
>There are very few innocent people in "Israel."
This is obviously genocidal language, and a similar argument can be made for there being no innocent people in any society ruled by a totalitarian ideology like Jihadism.
>>537638581
That is cruel and I hope you don't actually mean that and are just being edgy on the internet.
>>537638645
I didn't say Hamas was innocent.

you misrepresent the facts. it is jot genocide to oppose the zionist entity. it is not genocide to sent the settlers back home

>>537638414
You don't have to take a position (pick le side) about some war between brown semites that see you as a filthy goy/kuffar.

A ceasefire means an end to hostilities Hamas have not broken it but they have. Killing several more times children than the number of their own people (both civilians and combatants) who died during the war should make it obvious this argument is dumb. Israeli government officials and military leaders have stated in plain english that they consider even children and the elderly as terrorists so they openly bomb hospitals and schools and shoot kids playing in the street for fun.

>>537638924
When kike wars always lead to immigration in your country this become your problem.

>>537638414
now tell me, why does Hamas exist in the first place? could it be because Israel is a violent colonial state that has been killing people and stealing land for decades, and pushed people to violently resist?

>>537638414
Israel could simply stop funding Hamas. It's that simple.

>>537638870
Please share this bit of wisdom with your jeet friends. Thanks!

>>537638414
>There is legitimately no "right" position to take on this conflict.
remove jews from earth, everything gets better

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>>537639036
>why does Hamas exist in the first place?
Mossad

>>537638795
>That is cruel and I hope you don't actually mean that and are just being edgy on the internet.
Nta but why the hell should I care? My country is crumbling, I have no fucking future because of israel and their petty wars with various Islamic nations and their reliance on our money and resources, money and resources we don't have to give. It's us or them at this point, and I don't want to have nothing to look forward to because a bunch of backward savages want to have a pointless thousands of years' long holy war between backward savage god A and backward savage god B. Fuck them, fuck their countries, fuck their children and fuck their future, because they clearly view us and the rest of the world in the same light if they think this pointless waste of lives, time and money is worth throwing the whole world into turmoil.

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>>537638795
>Hamas is a terrorist organization that openly wants to genocide Israelis
International jewry is a terrorist organization that openly wants to genocide Whites.

>>537638870
Jihadists clearly want the violent destruction of Israel and Israelis, they don't want to just "send them back home" which is delusional even if they had a home to go back to. Also, any arguments for Israel being evil in this context could be applied to the USA or Australia or any other country founded by "colonizers".
>>537638924
This is a world event with profound geopolitical consequences, this isn't a dispute amongst the Sentinelese.
>>537638952
I already acknowledged that Israel has killed lots of innocent people in this conflict and that every pro-Israel commenter downplays this.
>>537639036
>why does Hamas exist in the first place?
Islam. Hamas are religious extremists, which turns what would be a legitimate political organization into a death cult.
>Israel is a violent colonial state that has been killing people and stealing land for decades, and pushed people to violently resist?
Once again, this is a leftist critique, and by this logic you are living in an illegitimate country and you need to go back to Europe. And if some First Nations people murdered you in your sleep tomorrow, they'd be justified in doing so.
>>537639165
There's a difference between saying it isn't our responsibility to send them resources we don't have, and sadistically cheering on the mass slaughter of millions of people.

>>537639027
Immigration happens irregardless if Palestine or Israel win. Remember the problem is international. Parisian parasites, are just responsible as the ones from Tel Aviv, and as those from New York or London

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>>537638414
>There is legitimately no "right" position to take on this conflict.
Yes there is, it's called the two-state solution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Rabin

it almost worked too. but you know.. shit happens..

>>537639358
Saying that all Israeli children deserve punishment for those tweets by secular American Jews is the same as saying that all Muslim children deserve punishment for Muslim terrorist attacks in other countries.

>>537639608
This can't work because of the religious extremist element. Hamas wants to destroy and seize Israel for religious reasons, that won't go away if they're suddenly given their own state.

>>537639724
You should read more about the history of the conflict if you are interested in knowing the root causes, and why/how Hamas and Hezb exist.
Only the first reason you mentioned is an obstacle. Jews lived in Palestine along with Christians and Muslims long before israel ever existed.

>>537639724
>Hamas wants to destroy and seize Israel for religious reason
Yisrael IS destroying and seizing Lebanon for religious reason.

>>537638414
All of these things are true, but it's all Israel's fault, so.

>>537638542
>"Israel" started the fight
They didn't commit the terror attack on the 7th of October in 2023.

>>537639971
>Only the first reason you mentioned is an obstacle
That was the only reason I mentioned
>>537640052
to whatever extent they are doing this and to whatever extent they are needlessly killing civilians in any of these conflicts they deserve to be condemned
also, both of their religions are stupid

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>>537638414
On the other hand, Hamas can easily fight Israel without killing innocent people.

>>537639612
>by secular American Jews
Nigger please, who are you kidding?

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>>537640264
I'm not kidding. And don't call me nigger.

>>537640198
>both of their religions are stupid
One of them is close to gaining world domination, and you're being a retarded fence sitter.

>>537639388
>they no longer have a home
why?
>they want destruction of israel and israelis
why not finland? why america and israel
>other colonizations
these civilizations have been irreversibly damaged. bad outcomes in the past does not mean we do it again
>hamas exists because of islam
no. the islamic resistance happens to be the successful one. there were more the in past
>natives can ethically kill whites
today, not. but centuries, ago yes
>>537639105
the average indian supporter of zionism does not deny the genocide, they want it. just calling it a genocide being a critique by itself is a first world thing

>>537640347
>One of them is close to gaining world domination
True, but it's not the one you think, funnily enough.

>>537640431
If it's wrong for Israelis to genocide Palestinians, then it's also wrong for Palestinians to genocide Israelis. Most pro-Palestine commenters are subtly (and sometimes not so subtly) in favor of the latter though.

>>537640458
i see islam as a gateway to secular/atheism, not the pther way around. given how illogical any of their beliefs are - like literally google anything about "should muslims do this or that" and it's like "muhammad said you should and shouldn't do this", its childish beyond belief - anyone with reasonable thinking abilities will peave the religion. i cannot imagine an islamic world remaining islamic unless there is some conflict always justifying it
>>537640575
i cannot speak for those commentors. it is not justified for Palestinians to countries from which jews "return home" and kill jewish future israelis families

Everything about israel goes against international norms. Youre in the wrong place if youre trying to make sense of it. Its an ethnoreligious cult from before Christ existed. there is no justification. none whatsoever

>>537640718
>anyone with reasonable thinking abilities will leave the religion.
A lot of people don't have this. Maybe the majority of humans, sadly. Most people just perpetuate the culture they're born into, whatever it is.
>i cannot imagine an islamic world remaining islamic unless there is some conflict always justifying it
Muslims are more than capable of fighting amongst themselves, if only for who has the correct dogma.

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>>537640821
evangelical wakanda

>>537638414
the legitimately right response is to stop being such assholes that everyone wants to kill you

>>537640871
that applies to both jihadists and zionists tho

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>>537638414
>"what do you do against an enemy who infinitely pokes and prods, then when you finally respond, the world then shouts "EVIL, MURDERER"? its basically the hypothetical of, how do you deal with pic related"

I used to think that too, a few issues here. Yes even if hamas are fundamentalist retards, the issue is that Israel holds a ton of power and elects to do things a moral army would not do in that situation. pretty sure in january of 2024, they sent a food truck somewhere, then quad-coptered civilians there. I think 50 or so people died. Imagine if a local police force or swat did something like this, you'd never forgive them, but instead we are supposed to chalk this up to a "fog of war".

The truth is that they have doctrines around how many innocent palestinans they are willing to sacrifice to take out present hamas soldiers, instead of evaluating current tensions/imminent threat, which I believe they have more of the onus to do when they have the more sophisticated defense systems and the allyship of the United States.

usually I criticize leftoid "oppressor vs oppressee dynamics", but thats not quite how i view this. its more a "what do you expect" thing when you are not doing everything you can to lower tensions in Israel's position. I dont put this same onus on the gungan army you know? they are like, retarded, of course they will throw spears and rocks forever into the future and beyond. the point is that if a nation truly thinks that, they have two BINARY ways of proceeding.

1, are you trying to gradually exterminate/subjugate them?

or

2, are you trying to be the best faith actor possible to reduce tensions, never violating ceasefires first, never illegally settling, avoid lying to rope the #1 super power of the world to send battleships to distract your enemy while you take 10% of your neighbor?

>>537638414
Theocracies at odds with each other. I think what has to happen is a secular neutral super government has to take charge. It has to enforce fairness going forward while moving on from past wrongs. The current generation will never heal they all suffered harm from the “other” side in past conflict. Its future generations under a neutral governance system talking to each other and learning to cooperate is what’s going to fix this.

>>537641090
I agree that Israel isn't blameless or benevolent, I just draw the line at then defending the mass murder of Israelis
>>537641218
>Theocracies at odds with each other. I think what has to happen is a secular neutral super government has to take charge.
Israel is a secular parliamentary democracy with no official state religion, but yes many Israelis are obviously motivated by equally apocalyptic religious dogma
>It has to enforce fairness going forward while moving on from past wrongs. The current generation will never heal they all suffered harm from the “other” side in past conflict. Its future generations under a neutral governance system talking to each other and learning to cooperate is what’s going to fix this.
I agree

>>537641479
there was no "israel" a hundred years ago. there is no "israeli". they chose this position. what about the hamasis killed? what about the hezbies killed?

>>537641584
Over 100 countries in the world are younger than Israel.

>>537641479
>I agree that Israel isn't blameless or benevolent, I just draw the line at then defending the mass murder of Israelis
Yes id agree that encouraging or cheering on death or destruction in either direction is immoral and unnecessary. My personal prescription has nothing to do with wishing death or harm. its simply this:

if we truly want an extension of our values that brushes up nose-first against an old world of blood and steel, I need them to be on their best behavior. If they arent on their best behavior, its genuinely not my problem anymore and good luck to both of them. I cannot care about every land/holy war dispute on the planet. they had ample ample overwhelming opportunities to have my support and failed miserably and whats worse, now they are lying in ways that rope my country into fucking up global energy that now makes my PERSONAL life more difficult. On every level, Israel does not deserve my support and what happens after that is on them.

I mean even now, im not entirely opposed to giving a final announced chance to them, a statement from our president saying "one more settlement/one more violation of a ceasefire first/one more seizure of illegal territory more/ one more verifiable lie to us to rope us into something, and its OVER, no support for the next 25 years minimum, good luck with building that third temple

>>537641652
this justified it how

>>537638414
Israel can stop invading other countries and annexing territory.

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>>537638414
Jew slaves will burn in the ovens too, disgusting fucking traitors.

>>537641883
I'm sure when you guys did that for hundreds of years it was based though

>>537641921
that person being quoted as an example of a rabid Zionist literally has Dirlewanger as his profile pic lol

>>537641971
sir we dont care for your insults. we sappot for diplomatic reasons

who cares about dead shitskins.
>they will migrate
they would anyway

>>537638414
I just want TKD, it's not that complicated.

>>537638414
> There is no way for Israel to fight Hamas without killing innocent people.

Because Hamas is innocent.

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>>537638414
Wacha doin rabbi?

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>>537638414
Kikes are subhuman and even shitskins have a right to self-defense, thus they are double justified.
However, they can have their right to defense in their desert shitholes.
Jews are shitskinned desert mutts too, thus not White.
The final solution is dropping dozens of atom bombs on Jerusalem after forcefully relocating these particular populations back to the "holy land."
Total semite death, including forceful relocation and death to all cryptokikes and shitskin lovers.

>>537642159
cool, now do the native americans

>>537639608

It's a smoke. Jews wants to rule over the world when they etablished Israel based on the bible they were motivated by religious motives that's why the whole let's go to Africa never been a thing except for hertzl

Israel last frontier is the limit of the universe.
No matter how shit they love to claim you've just got to read the ot and see what they do think about other countries and what they think about how to handle other people or what's the endgoal with their masshiah

Anyone claiming anything else is a dumb ignorant moron or a jew or a liar.

>>537642166
you either don't actually believe that or you don't actually believe in anything

>>537638414
This is why colonization doesn't work. The only thing Jews can do is leave like every other colonial project outside the Americas. They should have realized this during the second half of the 20th century in the middle of widespread decolonization. It's a well tread path with no deviation.

>>537642247
Even if that's true, their prophecies are bullshit so who cares

>>537642265
I believe in humanity, that's why I want all Jews killed. Jews are the enemy of all humanity.

>>537642293
ok, bud

>>537642290

It matters when they think it's their role to actually fulfill those prophecies by actively making them real you fucking dumb retarded morin jewish cock sucker.

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>>537642265
>You don't actually believe
I do
>or you don't actually believe in anything
When you realize that kikes and the shitskins in this situation are both semites, not White, and both subhuman, I fail to see what is so self-contradictory about this position?

>>537642349
Israel is a secular parliamentary democracy. They are primarily motivated in the survival of their people at all cost, not in any kind of religious prophecies nor in world domination.

>>537641934
I think there is this general agreement amongst most of the first world by now that we're done flag-planting and gradually eliminating groups of people in whole or in part to expand our territory because we realize it just causes more shit.

at least, that is what most civilized people are trying to have the first world be, and supporting israel directly goes against that

basically, provided you support the west generally, you cant support russia or israel right now and be logically consistent

and well, if you dont support the west generally, then you're like basically just a chinese/zigger spy infiltrating my country lmao get outta here, McCarthyism was based fuck commies

>>537642362
You've had some kind of trauma in your life and you've reacted by becoming a hateful edgelord. You'll grow out of it and look back at this period as something very silly. I did.

>>537638414
I came to this conclusion like - 15 years ago. That it is simply untennable and one side must be genocided. Its a matter of preference.

>>537642439
I don't have to support Russia or Israel to not want either of their civilian populations being massacred

>>537642315
You know it's true.

>>537642417
I want to believe you, but they arent conducting themselves like a secular parliamentary democracy. Sure they generally have western liberal democracies WITHIN israel, but how they conduct themselves with regards to their neighbors and even their allies, is not at all like a western secular democracy

when is the last time france's intelligence had special meetings with our president to present what our own intelligence would call, farcical lies, in order to rope us into a conflict?

If your response is "Well, Israel's situation is unique", then we loop back around to my "best behavior" post, in which I specify if you really want a distant ally who represents your values brushing up against an old world of blood and steel, they need to choose if they are 1. crushing their neighbors, or 2. being on their best behavior and making sure their acts of aggression are always in response to something, which they have not been doing so that kind of leaves just a 1 with plausible deniability thing for them, which is what they are doing

I feel like you really need to grapple with this bad faith thing, I dont know if you've quite accepted that Israel doesnt just make mistakes, they are a BAD FAITH actor.

>>537638414
>There is legitimately no "right" position to take on this conflict
No, the right position is to let yids and durkas kill each other in the desert, forever, and stay out of it.

>>537642417

Nice way to out yourself as a jewish cock sucker. Maybe not having a book that promises you great israel wich involve stealing lands of etablished people would help you to survive.
Maybe maybe not voting for religious extremists for now more than 30 years if not more who have claims as claiming great israel or quoting the bible to justify why they are eating lands around them would help for the survival of their people.

Maybe maybe i don't fucking care jewish cock sucker since people like you don't care about the shit Israel did to the native people of this region.

>>537642554
Is your ONLY contention here with people who want a civilian population entirely eliminated? that seems awfully boring and easy, like you're purposefully trying to argue with only the most anonymously psychotic/ironic here.

How about the harder question, do you support further aid to Israel right now, especially given just their recent roping of us into Iran?

>>537639612
>Saying that all Israeli children deserve punishment for those tweets by secular American Jews is the same as saying that all Muslim children deserve punishment for Muslim terrorist attacks in other countries.
Both of these are true thoughbeit.
The root issue is their behavior is dictated by their genetics, and so their genetics must be extinguished.

>>537642439
Its not the genocide. Those work extremely well still actually. Its about the infrastructure damage. Whats the point of conquering Germany if you have to rebuild it after?

>>537642577
*Sure they generally have western liberal democratic values WITHIN israel

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>>537642493
>a hateful edgelord
Sorry chaim, there's nothing hateful about instituting the final solution to the problem that has basically bankrupt my country with endless wars for Israel back to back in my 35 years young.
Plus, they drew first blood by importing nogs and brown hordes, like the parasite that they are. They can all be relocated back to the holy land and meet there end there, up to and including cryptokikes and shitskin lovers. This solves the "biblical prophecy" problem (they'd love this, they might even cover the cost of their own nuking), durka durka jihad, and kikes killing my country by starting wars and importing niggers and browns.
It's the final solution to the semite problem.
Both sides, and both of the sides' supporters, taken care of in one large relocation and merciful bombing run.

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>>537638795
Hamas is a sockpuppet enemy created by Israel to justify crimes against humanity. if you think otherwise youre brainwashed bluepilled niggercattle

>>537642666
yeah that too, even if I cede the pretty blatant overstepping on collateral damage the idf does, you could argue simply forcing a group to scatter over and over then they either predictably form a large terror cell you can clearly fight once they become desperate enough or, they integrate with you then you just put them in jail when they predictably do something wrong within your borders, are both just round about ways of conquering a group of people

>>537638414
>Israelis deserve to be genocided
could be the case, yet noone is doing that

>>537642778
not siding with OP here, but I dont believe the IDF had to encourage hamas to commit october 7th. I view hamas as more of an inevitability rather than some civilized false flag op. yes i know there are isolated incidence of the idf arming them or something, I just dont think near fundamentalist muslims being constantly bombarded by jews need much of a reason to be angry is all. That just feels like a very predictable powder keg situation to me.

>>537640130
My gf dumped me on oct 9 2023 and i still think about it and want to kill myself every single day.

I really want more bad things to happen to more people.

>>537642577
I didn't say they aren't bad faith, I just think it's based on a more secular "never again" trauma of the Holocaust (i.e. we need to look out for ourselves and be ruthless about it, the rest of the world will sit back and let us die because they did so before) than it is on religious texts.
>inb4 the Holocaust didn't happen and they were all chilling in summer camps while Hitler killed 20 million white people
>>537642627
>since people like you don't care about the shit Israel did to the native people of this region.
why do Neo-Nazis pretend to care about brown people just because jews wronged them

>>537638414
>kikes
they're neither innocent or people

>>537642655
>Is your ONLY contention here with people who want a civilian population entirely eliminated? that seems awfully boring and easy, like you're purposefully trying to argue with only the most anonymously psychotic/ironic here.
Every mainstream pundit on either side is downplaying or excusing the massacring of civilians
>How about the harder question, do you support further aid to Israel right now, especially given just their recent roping of us into Iran?
I don't think we're obligated to aid Israel
I also think Trump clearly fucked Israel / Netanyahu over on Iran so it's questionable if they roped us into it at all
>>537642696
>there's nothing hateful about instituting the final solution
stopped reading here

>>537638414
Saying the IDF and Israel should stop their ongoing genocide in Gaza is not the same as saying Israel should be genocided. Nice try Cruz, or huckabee, whichever traitor piece of shit you are, nice try

>>537643041
>>there's nothing hateful about instituting the final solution
>stopped reading here
You will be genocided, chaim. You are not a human being. Sorry to break the news to you.
Curious how you react so strongly to my posts insinuating that I'm "hateful" calling for the end of both sides of the semite conflict, that has again bankrupted my country after helping "save" them from ze germans, and in return all we get is browns dumped on us and involvement in their own attempts at genociding "unwanted" populations in their homeland, but not when anyone advocates for genociding any particular side.
Very curious indeed, chaim.

>>537643064
Saying that Israel has forfeited the right to self defense (like Norman Finkelstein is saying word for word here, literally justifying October 7: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LqBoeOqyX1k) as most anti-Israel pundits suggest is indeed functionally saying that Israel should be genocided.

>>537643393
No, they need to leave and abandon the colony like the UK did for South Africa and France did for Algeria and Vietnam. There was no genocide for the UK or France.

>>537643540
There are still white people in South Africa. I don't think Hamas is interested in setting up a truth and reconciliation commission.

>>537638414
>In both cases, it involves downplaying if not championing the slaughter of innocent people.
you must be new around here, americans and anglos spent the last 80 years or so terrorbombing civilians to ashes.

the big "dont say that" about ww2 is how many civilians got killed by allies. thats why axis statistics have to be pushed so high, too. did you know, for example, that brits to this day are correcting the dresden casualties downwards? and dresden is just a symbol for thousands of cities, dont forget that. it doesnt stop at ww2 ofc, it all continues to this day.

>>537643540
>>537643734
Also, British people and French people had a homeland to go back to. Jews don't.

>>537643734
South Africa is run by all South African nationals including the white people. Everyone else left.

>>537640130
you niggers need to stop acting like history started october 7th when israel has been committing atrocities against palestinians for decades.

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>>537643891
>had a homeland to go back to. Jews don't.
This problem is solved by just putting them out of their misery, along with the "unwanted" populations that inhabit their "homeland."
Like putting down like a dog who doesn't have a home and keeps causing problems at the shelter by killing other dogs. Compassionately, of course.

>>537643041
>I don't think we're obligated to aid Israel
thats putting it lightly, id say it is NOT in our interests to support them. Do you agree?

>I also think Trump clearly fucked Israel / Netanyahu over on Iran so it's questionable if they roped us into it at all

no no no man, you may be missing a TON of stuff if you dont know about the meeting mossad and bibi had with trump to rope him into epic fury. short version is that they presented trump what our intelligence called farcical typical israeli roping utilizing underdeveloped overpromised plans. they had a 4 point plan and only 1 of them was deemed reasonable, which was eliminating an 88 year old ayatollah. every single person in the room with trump said it was a bad idea and he did it anyway. this was all leaked btw and not disputed by trump or his admin. to me that means either good-goy negligence or they had kompromat on him. i think its more likely the former over the latter plus he wanted to be the guy that solved the middle east. reckless and retarded golem bullshit.

just because he is finally finally putting his foot down by retracting the battleships which never should have been there in the first place, after driving oil and fertilizer through the fucking roof, i will not call that a "win" for us. that is the absolute bare minimum. From the moment israel tried to LIE to our president they should have been on their own with Iran, not after we send the USS geralf ford and they take 10% of lebanon. if it goes that far, its not like us putting our foot down, its more like israel being upset they only got 9 cookies instead of 10.

>>537643891
Yeah, that's a tricky part, but like I said earlier late stage colonization doesn't work. The British, French, Dutch, Americans, and Germans have all tried to form a stable colony and they have all had to abandon them. Native people want to run their own country and they should. This was debated a long time ago before WW1 and the colonist country still tried to hold onto their colonies, but after WW2 decolonization started.

>>537643901
What is the difference between a white South African national and a jewish Israeli / Palestinian national in this situation? Israeli jews are Israeli nationals, they don't have some other country they belong to.

>>537642945
>I just think it's based on a more secular "never again" trauma of the Holocaust

yeah but you're just telling me why they are bad faith. I dont want to be allied with a traumatized schizophrenic group of people who try to trick me lmao even if they share some of my values.

>>537638414
>tacitly saying that Israelis deserve to be genocided
no Palestinian politicians have actually advocated for this, the idea of Jewish genocide is 95% Zionist propaganda and 5% stupid internet edgelords echoing them but saying that's a good thing
the divide on their end is between "actual independence for the west bank and gaza" or "one secular, democratic state with both Jews and Arabs"

>>537644074
>thats putting it lightly, id say it is NOT in our interests to support them. Do you agree?
There could theoretically be geopolitical interests to supporting them as far as opposing Islam as a civilizatonal bloc, but that's not really an argument I care to debate
>no no no man, you may be missing a TON of stuff if you dont know about the meeting mossad and bibi had with trump
>just because he is finally finally putting his foot down by retracting the battleships
There is plenty of other insider whistleblower shit saying that Trump immediately fucked over the whole thing, gave Israel a no kill list, Netanyahu is furious, etc. Ultimately neither of us were at these meetings so it's all hearsay.
>>537644174
>I dont want to be allied with a traumatized schizophrenic group of people who try to trick me
fair enough
>>537644181
>The 1988 Hamas Covenant (original charter) explicitly calls for the destruction of Israel. It outlines that there is "no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad". It defines the struggle in religious and antisemitic terms, quoting religious texts that advocate for the killing of Jews.

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>>537644115
They're not subhuman parasites bankrupting/subverting their parasitic host country on multiple levels to do their bidding.
Also, they are White. You are not.

>>537644115
Israelis need to give equal rights to all Palestinians. That's what South Africa the colony did to become South Africa.

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>>537638414
The point is that justice will only be achieved once all jews are dead, including diaspora

Which outcome benefits the ethnostate of the west?

>>537644658
To be fair, around 20% of Israel's population are Arab Muslims and Israel already gives them equal rights.
If Israel did what South Africa did, I don't see it turning out the same way for them. Black South Africans weren't Jihadists.

>>537644740
Well, there's 2 billion Muslims and 16 million Jews in the world, if we're going there.

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>>537644794
>Black South Africans weren't Jihadists.
Here's a thought: deal with it without the help of your parasitic host, i.e. dismantle AIPAC, accept the relocation of schizophrenic evangelicals into your shithole since they love you so much, and develop the means to combat le heckin terrorists on your own without welfare from your parasitic host. If you can't do that, don't blame others for calling for both your genocide and the genocide of le heckin terrorists.
It's pretty simple. Deal with it. You're strong, chaim, I believe in you.

>>537640130
Yes they did

>>537645422
delusional

>>537643393
Once again, suggesting that the IDF stop purposely targeting civilians along with hospitals and refugee camps, is NOT the same thing as suggesting Israel should be genocided themselves or that they have no right to self defense. I find it very dishonest and downright strange that you even suggest it is and point out things that are completely irrelevant to what I’m telling you. Perhaps you’ll call me an antisemite next?

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>>537638414
I'm using Israel
To help start WWIII

You Jews and Muslims are goyim and are low IQ and dumb enough to kill each other

Just like the other 70 IQ rape babies in
India & Pakistan

Sorry Goymen
Time for WWIII

You retards died in two consecutive world wars and gave me control of your entire planet.

Good idea. 0 Re-funds.

I denounce the Talmud.
The Christians, Jews, & Muslims are just mad
Their nations all collapsed after WWI, Russia, Europe, Ottoman Empire.

Their religions
Have been defeated by gooning & a smartphone. Top Kek.

3000 years of mental illness finally coming to a close. The Sand Niggers will spend the next 100 years fighting over uncontaminated drinking water.

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Thank you mutts for paying for everything.

Appreciated.
Good goys.

Most of you
Will die
That's a sacrifice Iam willing to make. Everyone dies. You'll get over it. XD

>>537645807
>Once again, suggesting that the IDF stop purposely targeting civilians along with hospitals and refugee camps
Hamas's entire strategy is putting their military targets within these locations, because either Israel won't attack or they will and lose the PR battle. There is literally no way for Israel to take out Hamas military targets without killing tons of civilians, and if they don't strike against Hamas then Hamas will just keep killing their civilians.
>is NOT the same thing as suggesting Israel should be genocided themselves or that they have no right to self defense.
You are correct. That isn't the same as saying they have no right to self-defense. Saying they have no right to self-defense is saying they have no right to self-defense, which is what plenty of pundits do if they're not outright justifying October 7.

>>537638414
>kek, let's bomb this school with civilians, nobody will know
>fuck, they found out
>quick, claim they had hamas tunnels underneath
>kek, they believe it, goys are so fucking dumb

in a nutshell.

>>537646083
No Moshi, the ritual human sacrifices WILL stop.

>>537646086
If they are actually this comic-book tier evil that they're specifically targeting schools just for fun, then Gaza would have been completely annihilated a long time ago.

>>537646083
What pundits are justifying oct 7? Give me just one example of outright support for hamas killing jews on oct. 7 by any major news source. I’ll wait.
And it’s not just the bombings, which of course are always justified because Mossad said there were le ebil tewoawists hiding in that daycare. How about the footage of Israeli troops shooting civilians, including children, that were just trying to get food queued up in line? They were gonna grow up to be terrorists anyway right?

>>537638414
Dude, Israel wants to be genocidal. They think it makes them old testament hardasses. And not rabid dogs
What they did to the 2.3 million souls in Gaza, they want to do to the 6 million souls living in Lebanon, and then the 90 million souls living in Iran, and then the 80 million souls living in Turkey.
Even this carnahe isn't enough to satisfy Israel's hard liners - earlier this week. they said they want to flatten Egypt as well. Over 200 million souls, either dead, starving or dying of thirst after having their civilization flattened because Israel is SUCH old testament God warrior. RRRR. very scary.
Israel is like this because their fundies are genocidal race supremacist creeps who dream of enslaving the world, and they have Israel's gov by the balls.
Israel needs to marginalize their blackhearted fundies and give Bibi up to the ICC

>>537646306
virtually every left-wing anti-colonist framework pundit downplays October 7 as the chickens coming home to roost, or comparing it to slave revolts, and are tacitly fine with it the exact same way they're fine with the Haitian Massacre

>>537646191
yeah they show remarkable restraint leveling an entire neighborhood. this is actually a Hasbarabot telling me that destroying all of civilization is jews showing restraint, you guys are sociopaths.

>>537646519
Israel just wants the Islamic Republic regime gone, they actually like Iranians

>>537646568
once again, if they're fine with just blowing up civilians for fun (as opposed to collateral damage during legitimate military strikes) then why does Gaza still exist?

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I'm on the side that doesn't look like this. Whenever, wherever, whoever.
Simple as.

>>537646637
>I'm on the side that doesn't look like this.
So you don't take a side either?

>>537638414
There is an easier route:

-reject Hamas and recognize both the injustice from the Palestinians and how Israel has tacitly let Hamas get funds to keep Palestinians divided
-support a one state solution with a dissolution of Judaism as the focal point of Israel and provide equal rights for all people

>>537646628
what are they doing if not completely destroying civilization and making it impossible for the people to return? do you need to exterminate every single one for it to qualify as a crime? this is your brain on the Talmud.

The policy and practice is extermination and expulsion. They literally fight to ensure aid spoils in the sun and is never recieved by the starving. But according to you they need to do more for it to be a bad thing. Jew.

>>537646533
That's a fair comparison but not justifying October 7th. You can show that the massacre was understandable without saying its justified. Likewise, the Turner Rebellion's massacre wasnt justified but was understandable. Hurt people hurt people and this way you recognize the hurt on both sides.

>>537646720
I didn't say they're blameless.
>>537646670
>with a dissolution of Judaism
First off, this is as absurd as getting Muslims to agree to a dissolution of Islam.
Second off, how would you even do this while having "equal rights for all people?"

>>537646582
That explains why they bombed a girls schoo twice in case they missed any school girls the first time around
Bombing girls achools and betraying flags of truce was Israel's way of saying "no quarter asked for! No quater given!". (which btw is an easy thing to say while you're in Germany or Florida or otherwise far from the front lines.) It was Israel declaring their intention to wage genocidal warfare as described in their scriptures.
The Israeli government was captured by genocidal fundamentalists (who are also race supremacists). They must marginalize their fundies and offer Bibi up to the ICC to face justice

>>537646783
When Norman Finkelstein says that Palestinians massacring Israelis is understandable, and also says that Israelis have forfeited the right to defend themselves in that situation, what is he doing other than supporting genocide of Israelis? The comments are always much more blatantly open about this, basically the left-wing version of /pol/ bloodlust.

>>537646864
>They must marginalize their fundies and offer Bibi up to the ICC to face justice
I'm not opposed to this

>>537646988
(Russia should do the same btw)

>>537646628
Because they can't be too explicit without protections. Hence why this time they are just murdering journalists and feeling safe with US protection. Despite the goal of genocide that people describe, and Israeli officials imply, their behavior is directed towards ethnic cleansing and genocide by erasing and denying their ethnic identity rather than explicitly erasing the people.
>>537646191
Gaza is now currently in a non-livable state and the refugee camps are being bombed.
>>537646083
Hamas is a null complaint towards Palestinians generally when the Israeli government is on the record stating that they had a divide and conquer strategy with the Palestinians. They would let Qatari money get to Hamas so Hamas has means to contend the PA and keep Palestinians too divided and appear too hostile to negotiate. This is well known enough that it created protests in Israel about how Netanyahu enabled October 7th. To enable funds to the darkest part of a group and then use them as motivation to crush the people wholesale is just manipulative tactics that points to Israel as the bigger problem.
>>537646951
Internet comments are always inflammatory.
My comment didn't say that the right to self defense is void. I ONLY stated that October 7th can be understandable but not justified same as the Turner Rebellion can be seen as such. You are injected in words I havent said.
>>537646794
Like the western world has equal rights for all people. Does equality seem crazy to you?
Also
>That's like saying to dissolve Islam
Zionism isn't a religion and Zionism doesn't need to be strictly an ethno-religious state. That's no where near comparable.

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>>537646951
>Norman Finkelstein says that Palestinians massacring Israelis is understandable, and also says that Israelis have forfeited the right to defend themselves in that situation
He argues that if Israelis are unconstrained by law, then Palestinians should also unconstrained by law. Send Bibi and the war criminals to the ICC, you get your moral and legal justification to self-defense back. He didn't say you "forfeited it", he said it's conditional on whether you're operating within the confines of international law. Which, we know you aren't.
Your justifications of leveling of more than 90% of housing stock in Gaza as if you have some magical SIGINT to say that all of those houses were occupied by le heckin terrorists is hilarious when you consider that you didn't have the capabilities to detect and pre-empt the October attack is textbook chutzpah.
Your chutzpah will be the end of you, kike.
>>537647008
>>537646988
Good. Send them. Don't twist his words.

>>537647365
>Zionism isn't a religion and Zionism doesn't need to be strictly an ethno-religious state. That's no where near comparable.
You said Judaism, not Zionism
>>537647393
I'm not Jewish, nor am I in Israel, and if I was both of those things I still wouldn't have the power to "send Bibi to the ICC" so I'm not sure why this is personally addressed to me as such

>>537647601
>I'm not Jewish
Strongly doubt
You were just twisting Norm's words a moment ago arguing that kikes have completely forfeited their right to self-defense. Instead, he says it's conditional.

>>537647601
The whole line was "dissolution of Judaism as the focal point of Israel" not "dissolution of Judaism". I'm saying to support a secularization as opposed to it being an ethno-religious state.

>>537647695
People can also just be confused and wrong.

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>>537638414
Adding you denounce the Talmud doesn't make you any less of a jew.
If you have to bomb children to "win" you're already the bad guys and that makes you the terrorist, ergo we should bomb you and your family and the whole of israel because if terrorists = can bomb innocents, then genocidal israel = can flatten all of israel.
Just go get your legs blown off for free trannyism.

>>537638795
Hamas aren't the terrorist organization when you're the one mass bombing children.
Hamas has a right to self-defence, you're the one invading their land, not the other way around.
Now fuck off shill.

>>537647695
"forfeited their right to self-defense" are literally his words.
>>537647727
Oh, gotcha
Yes, that would obviously and naturally have to occur if Jews become a minority

>>537648034
1. If it's derived by the states laws then it's not necessarily true that secularization will occur simply by being a majority.
2. If you're saying genocide will occur without the means to defend your ethnic group, state supremacy is not the way to go about handling it, nor is that a justified position by anything but ideology/fear.

Overall, what IS your position you're discussing? That both sides entail explicit support for genocide? I hope I expressed otherwise.

>>537640130
Many people believe they did

>>537640130
1. That's not the start
2. That's not entirely true as Israel explicitly made sure that Hamas got consistent Qatari funds to keep the Palestinian authorities divided and unable to turn to negotiations (since the PA control the West Bank)

I support Israel wiping Muslims off the map. Inshallom Assimlinkem

>>537648034
They don't. Self-defense under Article 51 of the UN Charter doesn't apply to an occupying power's actions against the population it occupies.
If they send war criminals to the ICC and actually have justifications for leveling almost the entirety of Gaza housing stock, operating within international law, then they have that self-defense claim.
Fuck off, retarded kike.

>>537638414
Fuck israel fuck kikes.. praise be to Allah

>>537648362
>If it's derived by the states laws then it's not necessarily true that secularization will occur simply by being a majority.
Officially, Israel is already a secular state with no state religion, obviously it has Jewish protections and customs but I feel like it might just become like secular European states that still pay lip service to Christianity
>Overall, what IS your position you're discussing? That both sides entail explicit support for genocide?
Both sides implicitly support genocide or at least implicitly support atrocities
If you refuse to absolve either side then you'll get attacked by both and won't have any friends on this issue

>>537648727
Okay, so the 1,000 civilians who got killed on October 7th didn't have a right to defend themselves and just had to let Hamas kill them? And ditto for whenever Hamas felt like doing that again, assuming they stopped the first time?

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>>537648605
>>537648752

>>537649025
99% of Israelis aren't civilians and Tucker Carlson has proof the IDF opened fire on that festival.

>>537649025
There's this word: "forfeited", you stupid kike. Maybe you don't understand it because you're a retarded subhuman.
A justified, proportional response under international law, this would not have forfeited their right to self-defense. They have forfeited their right to self-defense, by leveling almost the entirety of housing stock in Gaza.
You know that they do not have SIGINT or any real intelligence to be used as justifications for leveling the entirety of housing stock, which is why you play these subhuman kike word games.

>>537649185
Tucker Carlson has proof that demons scratch him in his sleep

>>537638414
there is a right position
win the war thats the right position, no need to complicate shit that's simple terrorists are bad and dead terrorists dont do terrorism.

i do think they should do it faster they barely kill 3-4 hamas per day but atleast we're winning

>>537649199
Bro, you are so fucking disingenuous. He was saying all that in regards to the October 7th massacre itself, not to what Israel did afterwards.

>>537648855
No, you should look into their laws. They aren't lip service. They are explicitly defining it as a Jewish state with jewish-specific laws and such and a need to recognize and adhere to Jewishness as a demographic and identity. And due to Jewish identity being both demographic and religious/cultural, Israelis strategically dodge claims of a central religion or an ethnostate because they lean on the other ways Jewish can be understood when it benefits them. Hence the idea of it being a secular state yet a state for an group defined by Judaism.
>Friends and sides
Fair position but if you speak so broadly of 'sides' then you're going to run into all sorts of views you don't support. I think recognizing mutual atrocities and how hurt people hurt people (which could be said of Jewish Zionists and Palestinians) while supporting a one state solution supports peace the best.

The Israelis will contend this because they'd say this would effectively disarm them from their enemies on all sides but fails to note how the state and military is the source of their enemies.

>>537642862
They literally funded Hamas' rise in the region. Netanyahu has admitted it in the past and so has former members of Israel's government. Netanyahu even got it thrown at him a few months ago during one of their sessions in the Knesset by a member there, who was saying he should be in prison. When the PLO actually started committing to peace, it killed any further justification for Israeli expansion, so they encouraged the hardliners who were against it and gave them money and support, so there would be a continuation of their boogeyman.

>>537649326
Yes, and the logic there is one held by the UN, the Red Cross, etc. - most international bodies.
When a state exerts decisive control over the territory's external environment, surrounding and can re-enter at any point, constantly bulldozing and changing the borders, with a blockade doing the control, it is considered an occupation.
Only Israel itself and some kike scholars dispute this.
That's the legal right to self defense gone. This isn't a self-defense situation when you completely surround, blockade, have re-entered the territory over 50 years.
And to your earlier point about the Haitian massacre, they left the Germans and the Poles alone. They even became "black" citizens.
Yes, they have forfeited their right to self defense. They have forfeited it even more by leveling all housing stock. But this was going on even before Oct 7th.

>>537649768
You're literally defending massacring civilians and then you accuse me of putting words in your mouth.

>>537649899
not only is Israel responsible for October 7th they killed most of the civilians themselves with the Hannibal Directive. you don't get to larp as a humanist now.

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>lol