Is there a single Christian argument that atheists has ever debunked?Just seems like they're winning through sheer insistence with numbers and infinity teens.
The argument ultimately boils down to one of faith.Being convinced to have faith is an act of emotional persuasion, not rational persuasion.Therefore, there is nothing you can say to convince Atheists as they will only listen to rational arguments, not emotional ones.
>people have strong opinions about an ambiguous construct with no physical evidence and are convinced it could or couldn’t exist because they lack the mental capacity to see the world in grey instead of black and white.Faith is another word for you’re too retarded to come up with evidence so you trust thousand year old pedophiles that sky god is real. It’s the exact same thing as some atheist saying that a higher consciousness or power couldn’t possibly exist because they’ve never felt or seen it. You are all so lame. Get over it.
>>537647106>Atheists as they will only listen to rational arguments, not emotional ones.
>>537647106It's really emotional at the end of the day, it's what you make of it, but those people who are looking for the truth without any weights on their heart are rare.
>>537647308>>people have strong opinions about an ambiguous construct with no physical evidenceTalk about retarded.
>>537647407Cont.At the end of the day, although I've almost been an atheists many times, I surrender to my responsibility to be rational.
But this thread is about how confident and feisty the fedoras are, if they got any flair, I want to see how it is after my exile.
>>537647334Proving my point.
>>537647840Ok what rational argument do you have for atheism? Can you even defend the definition of atheism? Isn't it like a state of feeling at this point?
>>537647535You literally proved my point because you’re too ADHD to read to the end of my post. Great job.
>>537647972You kind of wound up saying the same thing to be fair. Like I'm supposed to excuse you cause you're self aware?
>>537648059That’s not remotely the same thing. Invalidating both arguments because there’s no way to prove or disprove an abstract claim isn’t the same as claiming the side you don’t agree with just because it doesn’t agree with you.You’re exactly what you hate, just on the religious side.God forbid I’m aware of shitty arguments and cope on both sides from people who just don’t want to think deeper.
>>537646952atheists and theists are both low iqagnosticism is the only rational position
>>537648418>>537648627I don't understand this argument because God can reveal Himself but can't do the opposite, now unless you're appealing to solipsism, there's really no sense, is what I would like to say but you'd also have to believe that you could be the only thing in existence and eternal, i.e., God, which is just retarded.We do know things, so agnosticism is not a viable option at all.
>>537648821There is a clear metaphysical layer or element to reality, which is why atheists are retarded, but there is no evidence that it is self-aware/beneficent/cares about anything in the desert books/etc. and by definition exists in a manner that is beyond our comprehension or ability to relate to it, which is why every distinct branch of theists are retarded
>>537648952>there is no evidence that it is self-aware/beneficent/cares about anythingWe're way less than a speck of dust of the desert in the grand scheme of reality, surely you aren't saying we are more than the origin? That is retarded, yeah.
>>537648821Would you give a child your time, effort, and money all life long because it decides dragons are real, and awesome, and should be worshipped as a god? Of course not. We pat them on the head and admire their creativity, but you also don’t sit them down for a lifelong tirade on why dragons aren’t real and the child is retarded for believing in them.We do that because we possess cognitive ability to decide what is “real” in this life and what is not, what deserves our attention in this life, and what is a happy little feeling of sureness we should encourage for simpler humans so they don’t go insane from not being able to inherently divine deeper whys.Maybe someday they’ll realize it’s all cope, just like saying dragons can’t possible have ever existed or will ever exist is an equally silly claim as being sure they’ve existed. Maybe they won’t. It doesn’t matter. What is real is that anyone who says they know what happens when your body dies is lying to you probably for money, power, and your time. No one can know where they were before they were born, and where they go when their consciousness evaporates from this plane of existence. Divine your own reason and meaning. If you’d prefer not to, and follow around some kike who lived in the desert, or schizos imagining imaginings is your basis for reality, that is equally as valid of a reason and meaning as saying the kike never existed in the first place and the schizo is retarded.Agnosticism is admitting you don’t know. It is not the same as acknowledging why it is impossible to know abstract things for sure.
>>537647106Rationally, the fact that the big bang theory about an infinitely dense particle exploding outward creating the universe and knowing that particles only move through a singular path/door/timeline when observed or measured implies either that God exists outside of space time OR theres an infinite number of universes and within one of the infinite exists a being who can transcend time and space and loves you (God). Atheists are midwits. Higher IQ people are Agnostics. The highest IQ people all seem Christian though. Christ is King.
>>537646952there are no such thing as atheists, they are only pagans. "Atheists" are just JIDF shills since they hate Yahweh.
>>537649121No, you don't decide what is real or not.As for the agnosticism and not knowing thing, do I presume that you believe there could be dragons in the world as much as there are stars in the sky?Since you do not know?
Prove a jewish rabbi had magic powers.No, a book written by jews is not proof.
>>537649361Nobody claims He had magical powers though. But yeah the resurrection alone is enough, the rest naturally follows.
>>537647106Atheists are inherently irrational though, reason/logic/truth is only found in & through Christ.
>>537649420The NT does. He was just a jewish rabbi who died. The end.
>>537649430The world existed before your rabbi cult. Civilization, mathematics, and rationality existed before your rabbi cult. Believing in a rabbi cult is inherently irrational. You are disregarding reality in favor of fantasy tales about Harry Potter jews.
There's nothing to debunk, jewish fairytales aren't real
>>537646952Nope.
>>537649361Even the enemies who hated Him admitted that He performed miracles and resurrected the dead.It's basically a fact, so there's no reason to deny a fact except to hold up your failing worldview.>>537649532Civilization, mathematics and the like are gifts from God actually. The world only exists thanks to God. You can continue kvetching about the fact that only those in Christ will be inheriting the Kingdom of Heaven, rabbi shlomo.
>>537649343Yes you do, he is saying you don't consider a retarded theory possible you just disregard it, If I told you your car goes to car heaven would you say well yes it could I just don't know, or do you say that's retarded and discount it?
>>537649638That doesn't answer the question.
>>537649638>i decide what is real or notAnd this is how we get trannies and other abominations of atheist/"jewish" fantasy.Let's all be honest here, atheism is simply another weapon of rabbinic judaism. "Atheists" truly are the goodest goy-golems of Netanyahu & Trump.
>>537647308absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence learn2logic
>>537649754They have all the evidence they could ever ask for, but they simply wish to remain in their sins.They ignore the truth in order to play pretend in their little fantasies.
>>537649830yea i know, but it's a game for two
brown fags gonna brown
>>537647908>Ok what rational argument do you have for atheism? Can you even defend the definition of atheism? Isn't it like a state of feeling at this point?Atheism is just a shapeshifting trick by rabbis.
>>537649343Who decides what’s real or not besides the experiencer of the reality? How can you know with certainty that you are even experiencing the same thing I am right now, my red is your red, or am I writing to you on some interdimensional portal of an image board?I suppose if you let others decide your reality for you, that’s valid. I don’t personally operate that way though. There is evidence for stars, exactly like there is evidence for dragons. I can see stars, and what people tell me are stars. I can read their descriptions, and how those knowings are discovered. I hear stories of dragons, and see examples of dragons people have claimed existed there there exist fossils of things I do not understand and could reasonably explain someone’s interpretation of a dragon. The bigger question is do I care enough about any of it to even decide if it is in fact “real” or not? Does it affect my life in any meaningful way if it is real or not? The answer for the majority of things is a resounding no, for me. I no longer ponder reality outside of my experience. It is up to me to decide which is real and which is not, in my mind. All you can do is judge me for my decisions and laugh, until somehow proven wrong, or perhaps you begin to glimpse another way of thinking, and then you must cope.
>>537649880>we need jewish fairytales to enslave people to keep this nonsense "society" goingthat's basically what you're saying.pregnant men are the mechanism to destroy your fake and gay control.
>>537649717christianity is literally jewish
what do you mean by "god" and what proof do you have for it?
>>537649931That's a copout.
>>537646952Atheists lost the ultimate argument by not breeding and thus losing the future.
>>537646952>Is there a single Christian argument that atheists has ever debunked?The classic "You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions" works just fine :^)
>>537649949>controlyeah when you're a control freak you'll def come up with such a retarded takebeliefs are not about ctrl but you can discuss all day about how it is because your 85 (feels like 35) iq can't understand the concept beyond thati'll pray for youin Christ,anon
>>537646952christcuck niggers literally destroy themselves no civilisation has ever survived christainity
>>537647106>they will only listen to rational arguments, not emotional ones.About God? Correct
>>537650058religion is literally control you deranged retard. make sure to show up to church and pay your goy tithe to your pedophile priesthood.fuck off. holy fucking shit. nothing is worse than a christcuck, not even pregnant men. at least they live in a fantasy that exists in the real universe.
>>537649361It depends on what you mean by magic lol. I think Jesus was an invented Greek character that parodied Jews but people ended up emulating him.
>>537649957Correct, Christians are the real Jews, now you know why I put "jewish" to refer to the fake, rabbinic jews who say that they are jews but are not (for if they really were Jewish then they would be Christian).The rabbinic/fake "jews" are the very ones who used feminism, LGBT, leftism, atheism, etc. to attack Christendom, and you are helping them.
>>537650103lmaosucks to suck
>>537649361Written by Jews but compiled by Romans. The first people to publicly affirm that Christ was God were Romans.
>>537650153>heh, you're jewish even though I literally worship a dead jew and his roman subversion cult.christcucks are literally insane.
No. It’s all strawmen, ad hominem, non-sequitur, etc.
>>537650103You don't even realize how brainwashed you are by your own religion, it's sad.None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe themselves to be free. The truth of the matter is that you are a slave of Satan and so a slave to Trump & Netanyahu in turn.There is only freedom in Christ.
>>537650002Absolutely not. It’s a different way of thinking. Your religion is exactly as valid as car heaven. >>537649638If the Aussie believes in car heaven, preaches it, ratifies it as a religion through the government, has full faith dead engines go to car heaven, it has exactly as much proof as any other religion has. You are told things by people that are unable to be proven and equally unable to be disproven without stooping to schizo level. You believe them regardless. That is your right. I don’t think of these things as real or not, I pat you on your head and say have fun in this reality, I hope it is fulfilling for you. I will have fun in mine.
aint gonna hear no shit from a brownfag that worships 7 armed elephant headed whores thank you
>>537650262>Known things cannot be false.>I know there is no car heaven.>There is no car heaven.Where were you even going with this?
>>537650197i never said you're jewish, just that you suck and your worldview sucks
>>537646952is there a single christian arguement that can be debunked/proven?faithfags prefer unfalsifiable claims to real ones
>>537650262Incorrect, as we receive the truth through our relationship with God, the rest of you pagans worship your dead idols that lead you down into destruction.Your man-made religion is nowhere near our God-made religion.>>537650364I wouldn't be surprised if he really is an israeli, for they are truly envious of us, the Israelites.
>>537646952How can you win an argument with someone who literally believes that this shit happened
>>537650392Is your statement that it's unfalsifiable, falsifiable?As far as I know, the non-existence of God is about the only thing which is unfalsifiable but again, but what's that even supposed to mean?
>>537650443your worldview accepts trannies.The worldview I adopted from God views them as abominations.
>>537650414i don't really care, no jews or gentiles remember?
>>537650514>your worldview accepts tranniesAmen sister
>>537646952I've never heard a single good argument why "faith" should even matter in the discussion of whether something is real or notIt's literally irrelevant whether you *believe you can fly*, the only thing that matters is whether you actually can or will you fall to your death if you jump out of your window. Truth trumps belief every timeUnless Christians can actually prove their gods existence I have no reason to care about their "belief" in him any more than I care about belief of mentally ill men they are are actually women
>>537650348How do you know there is no car heaven? What if the Aussie says he’s seen it, would you believe there is one then? What if 5 people say they met cargod and he gave them a book? What if 5,000,000 people agree with that book? What if half the world devotes themselves to a machine religion?It’s the same ridiculous principle, but when applied to something you don’t have a sunk cost fallacy in, or don’t care about, or don’t think is “real,” it looks retarded because you’re able to make a decision on your reality based on thinking. Societal pressure collapses that ability to reason. That’s okay buddy, you can decide how much is too much for you. I can only give you so many metaphors and allegories.
>>537650103>pregnant men live in a real universe Kek maybe if your religion is modern science
>>537646952HOURLY REMINDER: there is no god, jesus never existed and when you die it will be nothingness for eternity!
>>537646952>Man in the sky exists >Prove it>Uh... proves he doesn't exist. Wait you're leaving? See this proves that God exists!!!
>>537650590>The male seahorse is equipped with a brood pouch on the ventral, or front-facing, side of the tail. When mating, the female seahorse deposits up to 1,500 eggs in the male's pouch. The male carries the eggs for 9 to 45 days until the seahorses are released into the water fully developed, but very small. The male often mates again within hours or days during the breeding season.[33] checkmate, theist.
>>537646952Atheism is the philosophical starting point for all 15 year-olds.The beginning of their phase telling mom and dad to fuck off.Normal people outgrow this.
>>537650514Both God and "gender identity" are matters of feeling over fact (observable material reality)
>>537649610>the enemies who hated Him admitted that He performed miracles and resurrected the deadMay I see it? Why are you capitalizing pronouns? Are you a tranny?
>>537650680Exactly this
>>537647106>Therefore, there is nothing you can say to convince Atheists as they will only listen to rational arguments, not emotional onesbased, I'm atheist now
>>537650651It's the starting point for dll humans >100 IQonly serious indoctrination or mental illness changes it
>>537650514>My worldview You don't know my worldview, imbecile
>>537646952Kek typical judeo christian sophistryThere is no god retards
>>537650583You're losing the plot. If you're appealing to revelation to denounce revelation then God is already a given, why are you still fighting at that point? I don't see how upping the ridiculouness is supposed to help your case unless you're really gonna adopt them for the sake of the argument.
>>537650095He said what he said
>>537650504unfalsifiable means a claim cannot be disproven or provensome of these things are a matter of tech and tech most of them are simply broken retarded claimsfavored by faithers since they obviously can't prove the fake and having it disproved would be embarassingthey never give anything testable lol, it's all bullshit
>>537650622>No self-awareness at all.
>>537649175>word salad that ends with "and He loves you."religitards are such children
>>537650858You're projecting again
>>537650858Well. Prove the man in the sky exists
>>537650855>Demonstrate the cause of demonstrability.Now that's more like it.
>>537646952Is there a single proof christians have that the semitic god is real and it's not a different god?I'm a gnostic alchemist, but I'm just not a christian one.I'll say this though atheists and protestants stand in the same category in comparison to me.
inb4 the meme flag kike shows up making threats in god's name and repeating that he's chosen by god
>>537650934See: >>537648821I chose this argument because it's specifically tailored to be anti-fedora.
>>537649430I know this is bait, but it’s actually sort of true. The reason science as we know it exists is because Christians have a coherent enough belief in their god to think of him as the true existence. Every other religion has failed to manifest that belief that an absolute truth exists. And that’s the basic stipulation one must believe in to practice science it’s why trannies continue to fail at their goals (they believe in a god of gender that has only subjective truth)
>>537650777It’s called an allegory. A narrative used to confer meaning about something else, usually thought to be better understood by the recipient, to help them think about it differently. You are free to make up rules of engagement on the topic, I respectfully decline to follow them or even acknowledge they have any meaning or validity. They are not real to me. They can be real to you. I think I’ve gotten enough from this to see how far you’re willing to think about this before reverting back to your isms, and you have the ability now to see mine.
>>537649342>my god saves everyone who worships him, guaranteed, for free!There are tons of passages in the NT, both from the Gospel and from Paul, that contradict this
>>537648821>We do know thingsThanks for admitting your position is solely an emotional one
Agnostic atheist is correct. "God" is unknowable, and I do not believe in him. Why should I? Because I can't explain certain physical phenomena? And btw why your Abrahamic God?These are simply rational positions from first principles
>>537649610>Even the enemies who hated Him admitted that He performed miracles and resurrected the dead.Not really
>>537647106If atheists are rational why don’t they have racial rationality?
>>537651025You defeat yourself >>537648821>We do know things
>>537650936watno philosowank that's the guff i was talking aboutdemonstrate your claimsphysically, show me on the meters and gauge how your thing worksshow the proof i can take away and test myselfnon of that all in le head shit
>>537650858You don't even know what you're saying. You're the claiming that God exists, specifically the God as described in your Jew Bible, specifically the God that appeared as Yeshua bin Yosif on Earth. You have to prove that he exists. Atheists don't have to prove he doesn't exist if you can't prove his existence in the first place.
>>537651025I read your post 3 times and couldn't understand it much less see a proof of man in sky.Next
>>537647106Not emotional, spiritual.
>>537650622I cannot prove god exists to an idiot blind to his presence anymore than I can prove the sky exists to a blind man. But what I can do is prove god’s presence exists in humanity and therefore effects us in very unique ways like science philosophy etc. Gods presence has a measurable postive effect on some people and a negative effect on others. That’s no clearer an example of something existing than I can think of? I mean math doesn’t exist physically in the universe but we can measure its existence with thought and its impact on the world.
>>537649121Good post anon
>>537651142race is fakedisproven via geneticsepigenetics have some 'ethinic' groups that are sort of close to that idea but they're small loose and just as arbitrary as race
>>537651204>But what I can do is prove god’s presence exists in humanity and therefore effects us in very unique ways like science philosophy etck. so do that.
>>537651197emotional, there is no spiritshow me how you measure spiritualcause i can measure emotional
>>537651169I'm going to add, say you're appealing to the flying sphagetti monster, reddit's favorite quip, as your source of infallible knowledge in your worldview, then that means you're not an atheist anymore cause that's your God. Of course the argument ultimately fails to block God, as FSM is still a spacetime thing by definition which is just begging the question along with the infallibility and all.Here's the spacetime argument if you're curious.
>>537651142If you ask an atheist why they don’t think niggers are dangerous despite committing half the crime. And they have no satisfactory answer then they have no rationality just a brainwashed objection to god because his presence is toxic to the little men with small hats In their ears. Atheists are not the enemy of god it is those who worship false idols who are. Not just false idols but anti idols. Devils you could say. Those include Jews and Muslims. Christian’s have built peace loving empires and Jews and Muslims are still bombing each other.
>>537651204>I cannot prove god exists>but his PRESENCE exists in HUMANITY>it has a MEASURABLE POSITIVE EFFECT>but don't ask me to measure it hahaLiteral woman tier astrology bullshit
>>537648821>God can reveal Himself but can't do the oppositeSomething God can't do, therefore not omnipotent, therefore you lose.
>>537651147There's a way.
>>537650542I only care insofar as understanding why they hate Christians.>>537650556This is one of your people, a Christian would have detransitioned immediately, no longer suffering from gender dysphoria. Saints stop identifying with sin after all. Only sinners continue identifying with sin.>>537650680Jesus Christ lived in observable material reality, do you have anything else?>>537650689It's in your Talmud, you should read it sometimes.>>537650749your worldview is inherently broken, flawed, & imperfect, that's how we know that it accepts trannies, degeneracy and loves Netanyahu & Trump while hating everything Good.
>>537651204You could put a blind man in a balloon and give him a really long stick to wave around and let him know he's in the sky.
>>537651036Consider the problem of infinite regress and how Christianity is the only one that solves it.>"who created God?"He wouldn't be God then. A created god is not the transcendent-yet-immanent sovereign of the universe.>>537651117You're welcome to your personal feelings.>>537651142They're a socially-engineered demographic of people meant to serve as the frontal assault against Christendom, they don't actually care about rationality otherwise they'd stop pretending that God doesn't exist.They know in their hearts that God exists, and they hate that I'm right about this. I know I am right because this is what God says, and He can only speak the Truth.
>>537651381something can come from nothinglook up the high energy vacuum testsand this is a thought experiment not a proof
>>537651347You live in America a Christian nation founded and built by those who believe in god and carry his presence within them. You use the sciences built from his presence in humanity. “the scientific method and modern science were developed during the 16th and 17th centuries by devout Christian thinkers. They viewed the universe as a rational place governed by orderly laws created by God, which inspired them to study it systematically.“Sir Francis Bacon (1561–1626): An English philosopher and creationist who formalized the scientific method (based on observation, hypothesis, and experimentation).Roger Bacon (c. 1214–1292): A Franciscan friar who, centuries earlier, pushed for experimentation over mere argument as the basis for scientific progress.Isaac Newton (1642–1727): A deeply religious English physicist and mathematician who formulated the laws of motion and universal gravitation.To name a few examples. These men of science were only able to grasp the laws of the universe by understanding that a rational ordered mind had created them in first place.
>>537651488>This is one of your peopleIncorrect.
>>537651381>God of the gaps Aquinas did it better than your stupid Simpsons meme. And that doesn't prove the existence of God. It's a theory about how life came to be, same as the big bang theory. Also,>who made God?FSM is a red herring. But it's a good point about positing an unfalsifiable myth to answer your questionsNext
>>537651511>You're welcome to your personal feelingsYet you can't back yours. Kek
>Does God exist?There's no definite description that you can ascribe to God, so in a certain sense it's not even a false concept, it's literally meaningless. It's fundamentally nonsense. You can't prove, nor can you disprove the unprovable so the debate literally doesn't make sense and is useless.Ignosticism is the most rational position.
>>537650647>gestation vs incubation Wow I thought you guys wree smart
>>537651488>her source for jesus performing miracles is the talmudLol
>>537651488>Jesus Christ lived in observable material reality, do you have anything else?Who told you that, Mike Fart?
>>537651523Does this take place outside of spacetime, perhaps?
>>537651412At least the planets in astrology are real lmao
>>537651488>loves Netanyahu & TrumpThat's the most christian thing an American can do though.
>>537646952You worship a JewLOL
>>537651477lol, basically how i see itif you're thinking of joining a faith group consider the rope instead since something has clearly gone wrong for you
>>537651580Trvthnvke but watch this thread hit post limit
>>537651557you've named a religion's influence on society, that isn't proof of god's existence.algebra is a fundamental part of measuring the world and the universe, it isn't proof of Allah's existence.unless you concession that eastern deities are just as real as the abrahamic god, for they are heavily influenced by their religious histories.
>>537651610How would you know?
>>537651610there is no such thing as outside spacetimeand no it was an american optics laboratory
>>537648627Agnostism rejects neither theism nor atheism, therefore Agnostism ultimately saves yoursef from damnation either way.Agnostism is the ultimate religious/scientific position for the true critical thinker that doesnt lie to itself.Agnostism is in fact keeping itself “ism-essly” virgin and ready for anything.
>>537651488>Jesus Christ lived in observable material realityProof? There are no witnesses to Jesus when he supposedly lived, no legal records, no body.
>>537651566God of the gaps doesn't actually mean anything you know, isn't it just appealing to moving the goalpost? When the argument from the other side is that God is the eternal source?
I am moving away from Agnosticism because the pure vitirol and hatred directed towards Christians leads me to believe they have enemies that I do not want to share an earth with.
>>537646952if atheist are winning that means its gods will, why fight it? right? who are you to go against gods will? same with gods chosen flooding europe with refuges, same with niggers raping and killing, its all gods will. or maybe it isn't maybe its all bullshit and you are suffering from sunk cost fallacy faggot.
>>537651693>you've named a religion's influence on society, that isn't proof of god's existence.Trannies have also influenced society so I guess that means according to your logic that women can be men and men can be women.
>>537651738>God of the gaps doesn't actually mean anything you know,Sure it does. It means you don't know what started it all, so you put your favorite flavor of god in that gap.
>Counting the amount of people who have died between every point where there is measurable success >Implying that statistics are a force of god
>>537651523"What “nothing” means hereThere are three different concepts that popular accounts often collapse:Absolute nothing: no space, time, fields, laws or energy. Physics has no experiment demonstrating creation from this.Classical empty space: no ordinary matter present.Quantum vacuum: the lowest-energy state of quantum fields.Experiments address the third. The vacuum supplies the available quantum states and field structure, while an electric field, laser, moving nuclei or another external apparatus supplies the usable energy.So the scientifically defensible conclusion is:Matter can emerge from an initially particle-free quantum vacuum when energy is injected into its fields.That is remarkable, but it does not violate energy conservation and does not establish that something comes from literal nothing.">>537651559You are welcome to your own personal feelings.>>537651577You are welcome to continue living your fantasy.
>>537651597You have nothing left to say so you project your gender dysphoria onto me, why?>>537651605To be so far detached from reality as to question the existence of Jesus Christ is quite scary.>>537651628Incorrect, for Christians only love Yahweh whereas non-Christians are slaves to Satan (and thus a slave to Trump & Netanyahu by extension)>>537651729Space, time & matter only started existing when the universe began to exist. These three qualities that belong to the universe did not exist prior to the universe.
>>537651745Nooooo Anon! PLEASE DONT LEAVE! You are our most important faggot!!! What will we do without you?!?! NOOOO PLEASE STAY BRO!!!
>>537647106>they will only listen to rational argumentsPatently untrue. There are several logical, rational arguments for the existence of God - the cosmological argument and the transcendental argument being just two of them. Either atheists are too stupid to understand these argumentd, or they are NOT actually as logical/rational as they claim. Or both. Could always be both.
>>537647908the rational argument is being agnostic but also being anti-christian, anti-jew, anti-islam since they are all so detrimental to White civilization.
>>537651833>You are welcome to continue living your fantasy>>537649610>Even the enemies who hated Him admitted that He performed miracles and resurrected the deadProof?
>>537651693You think I can point you to a person place or thing I can’t because that’s not what god is. Not anymore than I can prove math exists by pointing to a university or phone. Math is the language used to describe how god orders and operates the universe god itself is the actual function of such a universe. And by understanding that truth you can begin to create the same kind of order and functionality god creates yourself.
>>537651852I am sorry you are in pain.
>>537651851>You have nothing left to say so you project your gender dysphoria onto me, why?>>537651488>This is one of your peopleKek.
>>537651735enhthere are a few judean preachers/cult leaders that fit the billname of josh, anti establishment 'one true god' shit, executed publiclydon't know about any that wear crucified though, romans just took someones head off or stabbed them up rather than faff around in the republic days
>>537651738It means you use "God" as a gap-filler to explain the unexplainable.>>how did life come to be?>idk lol must be GodIf we didn't know how lightning formed or how weather functioned we'd explain those with God too. Indeed, we used to. We posited many Gods in fact to explain droughts and other natural disasters. But we know better now.
>>537651738>isn't it just appealing to moving the goalpostit's the religious that move the goalposts.
>>537651895You are welcome to read the Talmud of your people.
>>537651880Christianity is one of the four pillars that BUILT Western civilization, dude. What the fuck are you talking about? We wouldn't have "the West" as we know it today without Christianity and Christian ideals. For a thousand years, Europe and Christendom were synonymous terms that could be, and were, used interchangeably.
>>537651851Why can't you stop claiming jewish books are factual accounts of history, tranny?>IncorrectNope. Christians love Trump because he loves israel.
>>537651932do you suffer from gender dysphoria as well? Are you ok?
>>537651960>still can't back it upKek
>>537651994>do you suffer from gender dysphoria as well?Nope :^)
>>537651950"God of the gaps" is a fallacy, but so is the atheist argument of "we just don't understand it yet, but science will eventually figure it out".Call it "Science of the gaps" if you will. Same exact concept, same fallacy.
>>537651950Before we understood the intricacies of how lighting worked the world wasn't any less created by Him.
>>537646952Is there a single atheist argument that christians have ever debunked?
>>537651986I'm not interested in what your people are interested in, you are free to continue destroying yourselves.Non-Christians love Trump, Christians love Christ.>>537652025You are free to continue living in your fantasy.>>537652045I am sorry for hurting you then. Feel better soon.
>>537652068>created by Him.Who's that?
>>537651861Or, option three, all your 'logical arguments' are actually logical fallacies. Everything must have a cause except, oops just kidding, no they don't, because I am literally naming an example of something that does not need a cause, but it's different when I do it, okay? We call this special pleading, anon.
>>537652096ALL. I can't give you undivided attention though.
>>537652056Kek. You really knocked that strawman out of the park. Nice job defeating an argument (You) made
>>537652108>still can't back it upWhy are ChristClowns like this? They make claims they can't back up then lose their mind when asked too lol
>>537652068Shut up retard
>>537646952What arguments? If you had actual arguments there would be no need for faith.
>>537651900In this sense god is a lawyer who writes a legal contact the judge and the cop who enforces it and math is the words written on that contract. By reading the math on the page you can understand the terms and conditions god has put on the universe and existence. But god is also not apart of that contract he’s the outside force that writes it judges it and enforces it perfectly. But not a subject of it like you or I.
>>537652140Right on queue>>537652161>They make claims they can't back up then lose their mind when asked too lolKek
>>537652096What atheist argument hasn't been debunked?Do atheists even have anything to debunk? Their worldviews are pretty subjective & relative with a weak grasp on reality, there really is nothing to debunk since they basically debunk themselves.>>537652161relax buddy, don't get so emotional. You only have to read what the Talmud says about Jesus Christ, that shouldn't be hard right?
>>537651833physics has no evidence for absolute nothing existing anywhere or even as a thing that can existyou can rip matter from true void with enough energy thoughjacks up the rates of the proto quarks eventually leading to matter with enough energy dumped on a small enough point
>>537652185What's even your response to the intelligent design argument? The simplest one.
>>537652108>Christians love ChristChrist tards think Trump is christ.
>>537652224>You only have to read what the Talmud says about Jesus ChristSuch as? Can you give an example?
>>537651900Math doesn't exist though. Math is a way of describing things that exist. Show me 4 without showing me 4 of something.
>>537652224Christian "arguments" are now just telling people to go read jewish literature lol
>>537652240A presupposition based on personal feelings it can't demonstrate past
>>537652224Atheists don't have ridiculous beliefs to debunk>inb4 he tells me i worship soienceJust don't believe in jewish god. Simple as
>>537652224>Their worldviews are pretty subjective & relativeLike your personal feelings about tour favorite flavor of god.
>>537651979The fallacy of this assertion is that the Christianity of the past is the same as Christianity of today.Christians of the past expelled Jews from their countries. They expanded, created, researched, and innovated. They were trendsetters and sought to create a sense of modernity.Christians of today are Jew and Israel worshiping freaks who wish every day for the end times. They kneel at the feet of Jews and worship billionaires. They only seek handouts and never to create. They go to places like evangelical megachurches and listen to actual demons like Kenneth Copeland.
Most of Christian vs atheist is an exercise of cat and mouse, how much the Christian can chase and how much the atheist can weasel their way out.
>>537651851the universe has no known beginning or prior statethe farthest we can look back with our instruments is a period of high density and high energy preceding the current expansion
>>537652240Are (You) serious? Evolution.
>>537652140>>537652224Name one atheist argument that was debunked.Atheists claim that there is no scientific evidence of God. Has this been debunked?Atheists claim not to believe in God because they see no value in it. Has this been debunked?Atheists claim that as a general rule, societies not based on religious dogmas do better by all objective criteria than those based on them. Has this been debunked?>inb4 muh gommunismCommunism is a religion in and of itself.
>>537651735>no bodyUh
>>537652365>weasel their way out.While saying this:>>537652140These fags project so much
>>537652224>You only have to read what the Talmud says about Jesus Christ>>537652358>They kneel at the feet of JewsI continue to be proven correct about my assertion.
>>537647908Atheism is not a belief system, it does not require arguments. Its an implicit pseudo-position.>>537652240I don't know which specific intelligent design argument you refer to. But any such argument has a fundamental flaw, such arguments don't resolve anything, they just move the problem somewhere else. Who designed god?
>>537646952>Is there a single Christian argument that atheists has ever debunked?No. Why do you think they repeat the same nonsense every day for over 10 years on here? There is nothing new, there is no question that hasn't been answered, no problem that hasn't been solved.>Just seems like they're winning through sheer insistence with numbers and infinity teens.Winning? On /pol/, yeah, it's communist and anti-white board so the atheists fit right in. Irl, it's quite different. They are dying out because atheists don't procreate, like all leftists. Just the way it is. They try to procreate via schools and the educational system, though, again, like all lefties do.
>things exist>this means you need to worship jews and an erroneous fairytale bookthe mind of the christcuck
>>537652409Atheists don't even 'claim' anything. That's the whole point; that's what the word means. This whole thread was just Christians dunking on themselves
>>537652240Unintelligent and hostile design. Why do you have a tailbone? Why can your appendix suddenly decide to kill you? Why is the spine such a piece of shit? And similar such things.
>>537652407I mean not just evolution, fine-tuning and all, retardation which encompasses the vast cosmos.
>>537652537Correct. The only thing that atheists claim is that believing in things without evidence is retarded.
>>537652409not as far as i knowthat's philowankery. binhasn't ever been proven to begin with so debunk what?
>>537652518You're going to lose because you underestimate your enemy.
>>537652358> expelled Jews from their countriesShuffled them around between Christian countries to protect them from angry locals. Quietly brought them back in once people forgot.
>>537647106>The argument ultimately boils down to one of faith.Only if you are very unedcated in thes ematters. Which, ironically, atheists seem to be. Since they also refuse to eductae themselves, it's definitely an emotional thing, a gut reaction. My guess? Some kind of narcissism where people cannot accept there is something bigger than them. By now, they know this isn't doable anymore, so they create things that are supposedly bigger than them, to believe in them. Like the Golden Calf story, you know? Muh Science, AI, sci fi... it's a last ditch attempt to avoid "losing to religion" in spite of becoming religious.
>>537652242You've basically already shown that Christians who think Trump is Christ, aren't Christians at all, meaning that they're pagan-atheists like you.>>537652278You're quite intellectually dishonest, it's quite sad to see.>>537652267If you truly cared, you'd look into it without requiring me to spoonfeed you.>>537652350>Atheists don't have ridiculous beliefs to debunkYou believe something came from nothing, that's the most ridiculous belief that relies on pure delusion.>>537652355You seem to be repeating yourself now, I hope you'll feel better soon.
>>537652365They always weasel out with intellectual dishonesty etc. they ignore logic because it's the only way they can maintain their worldview, by being intentionally fallacious.>>537652409>Atheists claim that there is no scientific evidence of God. Has this been debunked?Yes. For science comes from God Himself so attempting to use a tool to dispute the existence of the toolmaker of that tool is quite illogical.>Atheists claim not to believe in God because they see no value in it. Has this been debunked?Yes. Atheists have no morality/value other than their own feelings/preferences, and so they cannot talk about value whatsoever without completely undermining themselves.>Atheists claim that as a general rule, societies not based on religious dogmas do better by all objective criteria than those based on them. Has this been debunked?Yes. Look at Soviet Russia and other communist states that promote Atheism as their religion.>>537652469You people really do fail to read in context, even now. If it's not your comprehension that's failing you, then you are being intentionally deceptive.
>>537652155If your position is "I don't know", and you aren't inserting a speculative explanation, that's fine. I can do the exact same thing. But that's not much of a discussion.So what do you speculate to explain the gaps in our understanding? Is it science? It's science, isn't it? You're really just arguing here just to argue. Devil's Advocate is unnecessary - just speak plainly, man. We're on an anonymous yak herding enthusiast website.
>>537652620One who makes the claim has to prove that claim. If you believe that God exists, go ahead and prove it. Until this happens, I will base my life on the idea that there is no such thing. It's that simple.
>>537652680>You believe something came from nothingNo anon, that's what you believe. What do you propose God made the universe out of?
>>537651900>You think I can point you to a person place or thing I can’t because that’s not what god is. Not anymore than I can prove math exists by pointing to a university or phoneno, but a person can point to math existing by applying math. there is no application that you can give for god's existence.if I explain something using algebra, biology, psychology, calculus, the religious can unjustly claim "see! proof of god" no proof has been provided, it's a dishonest highjacking by adding a superfluous narrative.>teach a child how to add numbers>make up a story about a magical dragon that eats the numbers and poops them out to get the sum>we can't see the dragon but it is evidence of all addition in the universe, all sums are dragon poopthat's the same reasoning as religion. entirely superfluous.>>537652270sophists need not respond.
>>537652680>can't back claim>attempts to shift burden of proofYou lot are weasely cowards
>>537652680>wuzn't real christianityUh oh, he's going full commie!
>>537652742Is God nothing?
>>537652680>You believe something came from nothing, that's the most ridiculous belief that relies on pure delusion.Try less strawman kiddo
>>537652680here we go. not soon after we'll see the deus cuck meme flag come out and shit up the thread.
>>537652624>You're going to lose because you underestimate your enemy.You are very young and very uneducated. We have been over this before, in the 00s. You are much weaker now, barely able to force any reaction beyond "roll eyes". Soon, all of you will be gone, just as expected for the last 20-30 years. You can cope and deny all you want (and you will, there's that narcissism again) but that's just how it is.Atheism si highly, highly dysgenic, ther eis basically not a single good thing about it. And thus it will disappear after a few decades,
>>537652270>math doesn't existThat's a claim if I've ever heard one.No, it doesn't exist materially. It exists as a concept, a mental construction. But it doesn't need to be tied in to reality. A value of 2 exists as pure theory, not just "2 coconuts" or whatever. It can and does exist, as a concept, entirely mentally, with no physical tie-in, even if the physical tie-in is how we must interact with it.
>>537652700whereas you just failed to readredefining science as god isn't scientific evidence of god lolusing the scientific method, prove godif you can't then the answer to the first question is no
>>537652409>Atheists claim that there is no scientific evidence of God. Has this been debunked?Evidence? Nigger, we have had proof since the fucking 50s and 60s.>Atheists claim not to believe in God because they see no value in it. Has this been debunked?I think this was never an actual claim. Looking at history, religious cultures were always > non-religious culture by a massive margin.>Atheists claim that as a general rule, societies not based on religious dogmas do better by all objective criteria than those based on them. Has this been debunked?Again, just open a history book. The last big attempt was the Soviet Union and look how that ended up for all their bravado.
>>537652784God's an unsubstantiated idea.
>>537652881>we have had proof since the fucking 50s and 60s.Such as?
So far I've given three arguments which proves the existence of God, not a single confutation.>>537648821>>537651381>>537652582
>>537652877>using the scientific method, prove godWe did that 60 years ago already.
>>537652700>Yes. For science comes from God Himself so attempting to use a tool to dispute the existence of the toolmaker of that tool is quite illogical.Lol no, scientific method is a human tool designed to understand the world around us. Until you prove that it comes from God, which would require you to prove that God exists in the first place, this does not fly.>Yes. Atheists have no morality/value other than their own feelings/preferences, and so they cannot talk about value whatsoever without completely undermining themselves.Same is true about religious people. Why do you not believe in Islam or Hinduism? You chose a moral compass that best suits you, except instead of actually using your head, you chose to be a blind follower.>Yes. Look at Soviet Russia and other communist states that promote Atheism as their religion.Communism is a religion. Marxism as a whole is a religion. No different than Christianity in their harmfulness.
>>537652358I did not claim that the Christianity of today is the same as that of the past. In fact, I would strongly argue that what we have today is no Christianity at all. There's even a term we like to use: "Churchians", and "Churchianity".Blame Protestants. They are and always have been filthy heretics.
>>537652582> fine-tuningThere is fundamental flaw in the fine tuning argument. The universal constants are not true properties of the universe, but rather artifacts of the equations we invented to approximate (somewhat poorly) how the universe behaves over a limited range of conditions. We know our equations are wrong, and as such the so called universal constants are really just fiddle factors to make our equations work.We cannot assume the actual universe has arbitrary constants.
>>537649175>infinitely dense particle explodingIt wasn't a "particle." E=mc^2
>>537652931doubt it would be so quiet if true lollink the method and i'll start setting up
>>537652955Don't be shy, this is basically your argument, isn't it?
>>537652700Actually, even western civilization has been promoting Atheism, and has been degenerating as result, funny how that works.>>537652742Science shows that the universe had a beginning, meaning that it came about from a source, this source is God. You are proposing that either Nothing formed the universe or that it is eternal (which is scientifically/logically false).>>537652754You can copy us calling you all weasels like how a woman copies her man.>>537652764I feel bad for you, I hope you feel better soon man. I can't imagine the pain and suffering you're going through being like this.
>>537652920>proves the existence of GodYou mean it proves your believe your own opinion. I don't see why I should though
>>537649610100% fantasy. You worship a jew based on the word of jews, and the only insult you can think of to use on your enemies is to call them a jew. To label you insane would be to do the insane an injustice. You're willfully crazy.
>>537652913>Such as?Hm, I wonder how often I have to re-post this. It's been years already.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C5pq7W5yRMIronically, I got it from here originqlly, back when /pol/ was still right-wing. So, a long time ago. Over a decade.ButBut ofc you will cry and deny as usual. Ther eis such a thing as obstinate, after all. In fact, I would be surprised if you gave the video even a fair chance. Still, it's better than bore you with links to books and studies you won't read anyway.
>>537652754>>can't back claim>>attempts to shift burden of proof>>537653019Kek
>>537653061So where is the supposed proof?
>>537653019You dodged my question. You say that the universe coming from nothing is ridiculous. So what did God make the universe out of?
>>537653032It's not an opinion, it's a sound logical conclusion. You're the one claiming Ex Nihilo and being illogical. Tell me you don't understand the Cosmological argument without telling me.It's ok. Retards can live full and happy lives these days, anon.
>>537652991see >>537653061Btw, your only way out is claiming that they only proved a god, not the Christian God. Which is what you guys did the last decade. Which is pretty telling in itself. But the point is that atheism is provably wrong.
>>537652542Your spine is a masterwork of engineering, but then retards do things like try to backsquat 500 pounds with bad form.
>>537646952What's the point in pretending to believe in God when 99% of the subhuman faggots on this board are evil genocidal dipshits that would end up in hell?Not a single one of you turbovirgins are virtuous in any regard.
>>537652920>what's two plus two, huh?>and don't give me that 'four' bullshit, I want a REAL answer has the pollution in your third world shithole country made you this stupid?
>>537653106>I would be surprised if you gave the video even a fair chance.And here we go.
>>537650039So this physical mortal plane is all there is?
>>537653124>it's a sound logical conclusionNot really. It's a conclusion based on personal feelings and opinions
>heh atheists believe something can come from nothing, theyre so dumbwhat created god?
>>537646952Christcucks are weak so they believe sky daddy created everything from nothing to comfort themselves.Science has proven that everything was created from nothing for no reason because it was so many billions of years ago that any thing could happen in any way.You just got science'd Christcucks.
>>537653019>pain and sufferingA lifetime of powerlifting and combat sports will do that to you. My joints are pretty fucked.
>>537653110The only thing there was: Himself. Creator and Creation are one and the same. He is the All, and that means ALL.
>>537653138>Your spine is a masterwork of engineeringYes, such a masterwork of engineering that people randomly get back pain and there's no cure except guzzing opioids by the hour
>>537653156I've seen the video before. Where does it prove your favorite flavor of god is real?
>>537646952This is all a jewish simulation. Jesus would be the force to lead a person away from being materia/material obsessed and towards God.God and Jesus and those types of things need to be more talkative. I dont like this simulation anymore because they dont talk to me.Its lonely and my wife, mother of my four children, is no longer enthusiastic about sex due to menopause.Why is this simulation such a piece of shit? Who made it to let us all taste heaven and then rug pull that shit.
>>537653014Wrong image.
>>537652582English, mother fucker, do (You) speak it? Yeah your picture explains evolution quite well and simply actually>>537652593"Amen">>537652680>You believe something came from nothing, that's the most ridiculous belief that relies on pure delusion.There's the strawman, right on cue. I don't believe that. I don't know how the universe came to be AND I AM OK WITH THAT (what a concept!)>>537652704I mean I can speculate all day for fun. Why the hell not?>So what do you speculate to explain the gaps in our understanding? Is it science? It's science, isn't it? kek you're pathetic. "Science" isn't a thing; it's a method. That aside, I don't know what will eventually fill the gaps in our understanding. And I think THAT'S FINE. We will learn in time, just like we learned about the stars and the weather and lightning and states of matter. So, yes, maybe that is "science" in your mind. Yeah I think human ingenuity will eventually lead us to the secrets of the universe. Because it's gotten us pretty damn far already and nothing else will>>537652750>sophists need not respondI accept your concession *adds brainwashed kikeslave scalp to belt*>>537652802medizin>>537652857>it doesn't exist materiallyThat's what I'm saying. It's like language. It's a way of describing things that exist, but it doesn't "exist" as such.>>537652920>if i ignore everyone, im actually winning!
>>537653170Again, you don't understand what a logical conclusion is, if you think it's based on opinion. Logic is not an opinion, or a feeling - a thing is either true or false, regardless of how one subjectively feels.
>>537649175An infinite multiverse doesn't mean that anything is possible. Things still need to obey physical laws, which god doesn't, therefore god does not exist.And if god loved me I wouldn't be poor.
>>537653286>Logic is not an opinionBut "God" is
>>537652955>>537653014
>>537651851>Christians only love YHWH We know
>>537653138>herniated a disc in my sleep>forever nerve pain>lost strength on the left side of my bodyGREAT DESIGN, THANKS. MASTERWORK OF ENGINEERING. What a fucking way to tell on yourself that you’re no older than 25. You gon’ learn. It’ll probably take a few decades, but holy fuck, you will learn.
>>537653051Well, you're no different from Trump, Epstein & Netanyahu, because these people also hate Christ as much as you do if not way more. Why would you want to side with them?>>537653110You are being intellectually dishonest.Something from Nothing = No SourceSomething from God = the Source is GodColossians 1:16 - For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.>>537653194Science comes from God.>>537653201Fair enough, thankfully we'll receive our glorified bodies that cannot be injured.
>>537653205>Creator and Creation are one and the sameAre you even arguing for Christianity anymore? Since this is sounding more like pantheism than anything
>>537653134lol they proved nothingit was some cunt chatting about other experiments and reinterpretting them without running them himselfi knew you were full of shit xD if there was an actual proof for ANY spiritual nonsense but especially a religious figure it would be big newseveryone would be giving it a goi asked for a scientific proof of god and you gave me a philosophical argument for non materialism
>>537653434>Something from God = the Source is Godcircular reasoning and special pleasing>something can't come from nothing... except with god!what created god, kike? your own reasoning defeats your argument.
>>537652742>>537652784You know exactly well
>>537653458>i asked for a scientific proof of godHow's that different from>The supernatural is not real cause it's not natural.
>>537646952Yes, on the grounds that most Christians consider it heretical, but then again they're not Christian really.God is a verb.As such, God's goodness is done.It's embodied, it's lived by, and it's enacted upon the world by people.Jesus did this, and then according to Lucius chapter IX, all 12 apostles got the exact same miracle powers and embodied God and achieved the same feats that Jesus did.This means that anyone can be as divine as Him, and anyone can perform the same miracles with enough goodness or Godhood within.That's the heretical bit that not a single Christian in this world has ever considered because they're nothing but slaves to the church.Atheists meanwhile are stuck on the whole "God is a person" problem, if the person doesn't exist then the verb can't exist either... except that the Bible as well as other works tell stories and legends of utterly fantastical people achieving and excelling far beyond the mean.That's all that Godhood is, acting right by nature and doing no harm to the innocent, and excelling at life as a natural consequence.That would boil the Atheist position down to "humans suck".I'll add some gnosis to that.Sucking is a choice.So is being based.Christians and atheists both choose to suck, one beneath God and beneath the church, and the other beneath humanity and abstract ink on paper morality (once conceived by Christians but don't tell them).I choose to be based, as should we all. It'll be a nice change of pace.And the suckers who choose to stay behind can go be there, behind, exactly where they choose to be.They'll catch up in their own time.
>>537652950>Blame Protestants. They are and always have been filthy heretics.Based and correct. I came to this conclusion independently a number of years ago. I used to like protestants because I saw them as rebelling against the infractions of the (Catholic) Church, but after realizing just where that road leads us (people speaking tongues and flying around on wires in a megachurch before hopping in their tithe-paid private jet), I've learned to appreciate more orthodox methods of worship.
>>537653388god loves his lolishe impregnated one too
>>537651523>something can come from nothingWe don't know that.>high energy Not nothing.>>537651833The newest quantum physics theories are suggesting that spacetime comes from quantum fields. You don't have space, time, or gravity without quantum entanglement. So one or more quantum fields preceded the existence of our current universe. Our universe was created by some weird quantum tunneling or "fluctuation" is an already existing quantum field. Where that shit came from *shrug*.
Just provide one single shred of verifiable evidence that your cock-cutter god exists. Not "arguments" or "theories" just one actual provable repeatable experimental result that definitively proves the existence of your magic sky jew dad. Just one crumb of empirical evidence saar
>>537653544>keeps begging the question by adding more and more claims he can't prove Kek
>>537652704it's obvious just from your usage of the word that you don't even understand what "science" means lmaonothing is perfectly certain/known, knowledge is simply justified belief (we don't choose what we believe) and there are varying degrees of accuracy with regards to predictive models of reality fuck you people are all so fucking brain-dead
>>537653434>You are being intellectually dishonest.And you're still not answering. If the universe is made 'from God' then is God made of Hydrogen, Helium, Carbon, Oxygen, et cetera? If not, then where did all of that stuff come from?
>>537653590
>>537653518Sounds like an issue of the fallacy of equivocation.God is obviously not nothing. The nothing meant there refers to the absence of the properties of the world obviously, again, how is semantics supposed to help your case.
>>537653665>God is obviously not nothingTo you
>>537653264>I don't know what will fill the gaps in our understandingGreat. Then by what reason do you stand against God as an explanation? If you don't know (and that's fine), you really don't have any reason to deny ANY given explanation. Nor confirm, to be fair. But this leads to a position of agnosticism, not atheism. You have no dog in this fight, Anon. You're better off staying out of it.>it doesn't "exist" as suchMust "existence" mean only materially? Because the concept of "existence" is far grander and wider of scale than just what one can see or touch. Do emotions exist? Well, you can feel anger/angry, so the concept of anger must exist, even if you can't point to it and say "that is anger".Do you deny the existence of all metaphysical things? If so, what makes you different from a slug, or an amoeba, or a rock?
>>537653544the former denies a thing unless proventhe latter denies a thing because of category
>>537652240What the fuck is intelligent about having a nerve go down the entire neck just so a branch of it can go back up the entire neck to innervate part of the face?Was God just stupid?
>>537646952
>>537653625You don't need help with that: >>537651477
>>537653606well to be technical there is no such thing as nothingthe concept doesn't exist in reality
>>537653757
>>537653714So God is not supernatural but natural? Or are you talking? Talking talking talking, there always has to be something to say?
>>537651511>Consider the problem of infinite regress and how Christianity is the only one that solves it. Christkikes literally stole it from greek who already solved it without a kike volcano demon
>>537653323No. There are only two logical possibilities for the beginning of Creation: Ex Nihilo/something from nothing, or an Uncreated Creator.We have never, ever seen evidence for Ex Nihilo, but we *have* seen creations and know that there must be a creator. A house does not build itself, it has a designer, even if that designer is unseen or unknown. A painting always has a painter. Creation exists, so there must be a Creator. That is the proper logical conclusion.What this Uncaused Cause's attributes and traits are is a question of theology, but THAT he exists is, simply, undeniable. Unless you want to argue that Creation sprang forth from nothing with no cause at all. Which is fucking insane.
>>537653892>its impossible for something to come from nothing>unless that something is god then its fine
>>537653577I'm an Orthodox, so I have not much love for the schismatic Latin church either, but at least they have SOME epistemological grounding, unlike Prots.
>>537653833Ladyyyyyyyboy
>>537653665This is how atheists win btw.
>>537653665Mecha hitler debooonked
>>537653804Oh it’s a jeet. No wonder it can’t think from itself. Average of 68 IQ lol
>>537646952Well receiving the spirit is definitely a thing. It's really not that difficult to receive. I have a theory though. Maybe certain races are incapable of receiving it? Like Jews and browns. That could be why you see larp. A real Christian is not hard to id. If you have to id them, they usually aren't. Just thinking
>>537653833i was asking you you pillockyou say there is a god and i ask about iti ask for a proof of itreal things are quite easy to prove in generaland get nothing but philosowank in returnas is usual for believer types xDbefore we bother deciding categories to shove it into how about we prove it's even there first?
>>537653632>we don't choose what we believeWe absolutely do.>predictive models of realityReligion doesn't make predictions; it explains what is, now, not what will be (aside from prophets/prophecy). Even prophecies are seen and spoken of as present-tense, and can only be shown to be true long after the events spoken have come to pass.
>>537654004What the fuck is receiving the spirit lmao
>>537653638Yes to all of the above. What don't you understand about "Creator and Creation being one and the same"?
>>537654020That's called argument by pigheadedness.
>>537653933God is not nothing, He is everything. So yes, it is perfectly fine for "everything to come from Everything". You sound confused.
>>537653512You should really learn how to read in context, this seems to be a recurring problem among your people. Please review >>537651511 for your answers.Also, it's special pleading* not special pleasing. There is nothing to plead for because Yahweh is omnipotent & omniscient.>>537653638I don't understand where the confusion lies. God, an immaterial being, created our material universe. All of that material stuff came from Him.
>>537653892>but we *have* seen creations and know that there must be a creator.What does it even mean for something to be created? You believe God made everything, right? So when you find a constructed house or a painted painting, why is your first assumption that a human made it, and it isn't just a natural part of the scenery as God willed be? That's the problem with the Creator theory: you hand-wave away everything incidental, meaning there's no reference point for design anymore. A pocketwatch is as equally designed as a random rock I found outside, per the Creator theory. 'Designed' just means 'existent' which means nothing whatsoever.
>>537647535Dyslexia:"Na' true tho"
>>537654072Try Romans
>>537647106So....it's for women, gotcha
>>537654191"Everything came from everything" also describes the cyclical model of the universe's existence, but you'd reject that because there's no magic man who loves you.
>>537654113>What don't you understand about "Creator and Creation being one and the same"?That you're arguing for pantheism, not Christianity or really any traditional religion. If you want to say 'God' means 'universe' then knock yourself out, anon. No skin off my nose.>God, an immaterial being, created our material universe. All of that material stuff came from Him.But it can't have come *from* Him, anon. If He's immaterial, where did the material come from? Did He make it out of nothing?
>>537654072Christcucks actually lmao
>>537653892How about Newton's laws on thermodynamics?Every action has an exact and equal opposite reaction. Hard fact, we see it everywhere.Every single where imaginable... except the Big Bang.To me that would seem a violation of physics as understood.Perhaps the Bang happened.Perhaps it's still happening.For a Bang to occur, the powers of expansion MUST be opposed by an exact equal force of contraction, the Big Crunch.But if both occur at the same time, they cancel each other out.You get an equilibrium within which the universe exists.And it's possible for these forces to have more or less pressure here and there are energies move and interact.Perhaps it crunches here, and bangs there.Contracts in one part of space, expands in another at the same time.Maybe there are currents in space just like wind patterns which shift depending on atmospheric pressure zones.Those physics are completely unexplored because someone decided that the Big Bang is allowed to break the laws of physics.Perhaps it should be reconsidered.I'll go a step further with this line of thinking.If the bang and crunch are concurrent and infinite, there's no singular point of origin but a continuum of movements.Then we're not talking about a God who created everything from nowhere as Genesis puts it, but a God who created everything out of something else that already existed.Various mythologies describe this in detail.The primordial soup, the waters of heaven, Ea in Sumer and Kek in Egypt.The Muspel and Nifl of Norse myth describe expansion and contraction fighting each other as well, with the universe existing at the Spark of the World right in the middle where those forces are balanced and meet.I'm not acutely cognisant of the old Vedic take but I'm fairly certain their creation myth starts within a readily existing universe as well.It's only Abrahamic religion which deviates from this.Abrahamic faith, and atheism. They're each other's opposite poles, kinda funny.
>>537654301I can't afford a plane ticket to Rome
>>537654381Ooops, forgot to (You) this anon: >>537654193
>>537654072connectedness/transcendence and related emotions attached to a spiritual narrative>>537654158i call it a waste of time, all this time all these resources and the best spiritualists can come up with is magic tricks that don't hold up in lab conditions and philosowankers with nothing but words
>>537654072You need to be baptized with the Holy Spirit in order to become Christian. Jesus Christ is who baptizes us with the Holy Spirit.>>537654336Science & Math are strongly against the cyclical model of the universe, please try remaining in the realm of logic.>>537653979The greatest lie ever told was that atheism is the champion of rationality/logic.Nothing is further from the truth. Only in & through Atheism/paganism can men believe that it's okay to rape & kill animals and delude themselves into thinking that they're women.Pretty much every single evil act by a human in the world comes from an atheist mindset, never a Christian mindset.
>>537653953>epistemologicalThe fact you even know that word sets you above and beyond a lot of the others in this thread. You're a real one.>>537654336I think this is where we end up. The assertions of religion is that god is the everything that created the universe. An atheist says its a natural process requiring no deity. A religious person says its an initiated process requiring a deity.Moreover, because we can't see behind the "beginning", we can't know how any of this came about. The Big Bang is cool and all, but how did that energy exist in the first place? Where did THAT come from? Religious people say its a deity that just is because it is everything and all. An atheist says science provides no answers so far and so that's all we can know right now.That's the impasse. I don't think there's ever any way for either side to pass it because its fundamentally, as stated before, a matter of faith.
>>537654537>You need to be baptized with the Holy Spirit in order to become Christian. Jesus Christ is who baptizes us with the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ died 2000 years ago and spirits don't exist.>Science & Math are strongly against the cyclical model of the universe, please try remaining in the realm of logic. Science and math are even more strongly against a magic guy who loves you.
>>537654537As long as Christians comprehend that it all boils down to nature versus counternatural behaviour, they'll reach their salvation.
>>537647106and yet atheists entire motivation IS just emotional-- they're butt hurt that anyone or anything might tell them not to be wanton hedonistic psychopaths and do whatever they want all the time. everything else about atheism is post-hoc justifications and sophistry and denial of logic where did everything come from? it could not have come from nothing. it isn't all just random. consciousness is real. volition is real. morality is real.and it all only makes sense if God is real.you know exactly who I'm talking about.
>>537654494Wouldn't the supernatural case to be if it is natural where you can test and stuff?And you're complaining that I find this retarded to subscribe to?
>>537654681>NOOOOO GOD WOULDN'T WANT YOU TO ENJOY LIFE!! HEDONISM IS BAD BECAUSE... BECAUSE IT JUST IS OKAY?
>>537654193>There is nothing to plead for because Yahweh is omnipotent & omniscient.that is the special pleading.you can correct my autocorrect error when you learn what the definition is and how it applies to your fallacious reasoning.
>>537654756*cease
>>537654231>What does it mean for something to be created?It did not exist, and then it did.>why is your first assumption that a human made itBecause we have never seen a dog build a house, nor a tornado carry all of the bricks and wood and shingles and nails and drop them all precisely in place to construct a house. A house is always artificial, and it is built by human hands.>there's no reference point for design anymoreOf course there is. Even a fish's body is far too complicated to have come about entirely naturally, by random chance. Imagine you want to transform your car into a submarine. How many thousands of changes would you need to make? How many of them would be built off an earlier change? How many of them, if done sequentially, would render the vehicle inoperable as either a car OR a submarine?If you're interested, read the book Probability Zero, by Vox Day. He proves, mathematically, that evolution by natural selection is impossible, by a couple hundred orders of magnitude. The only alternative explanation is intelligent design. Whether that's God, or aliens, or simulation theory, that's up to you, but we WERE designed.I would argue that this is God's work, of course. But a design is unquestionable. The only question remaining is WHICH designer.
>>537654756complete translator failure>>537654789that's semantic and i don't carecall it what you want, but prove it
>>537654381You’re assuming that creation must work like ordinary manufacturing: either God made the universe out of Himself, or He made it out of some other material called “nothing.”But “nothing” is not a substance or raw material. To say God created without pre-existing matter does not mean He fashioned the universe out of nothing. It means there was no prior material from which He made it.God is the cause of the material universe’s existence, not its material ingredient. The universe came from Him in the sense that He brought it into being, not in the sense that it was physically extracted from His substance.In essence, there wasn't even "nothing" to work with, God simply willed matter into existence alongside space & time. They came from God as their cause, not from God as raw material and not from “nothing” as though nothing were something.>>537654647Jesus Christ has been alive for the past 2,000 years, try again.>Science and math are even more strongly against a magic guy who loves you.God created science & math actually, you can thank Jesus Christ for fashioning an orderly & rational universe for us to live in.>>537654781You're saying it's special pleading for God to be God? What?
>>537654811>If you're interested, read the book Probability Zero, by Vox Day. He proves, mathematically, that evolution by natural selection is impossible, by a couple hundred orders of magnitude.Why should I believe one man (who won't even publish under his real name lmao) over the entire scientific community?
>>537654895I see we've reached the final stage where the atheist vigorously insists that God hasn't been proven without any refutation whatsoever to the aforementioned arguments doing exactly that.Look, I've seen it all ok? I'm not even blaming you.
>>537654960>Jesus Christ has been alive for the past 2,000 years, try again. Really? May I see him?>God created science & math actually, you can thank Jesus Christ for fashioning an orderly & rational universe for us to live in. Not an argument.
>>537650556>pic>why someone who insists that 2 + 2 = 5 is a mathematicianno.
>>537655026It just don't work IRL. It's only on the internet over texts.
>>537654811>>why is your first assumption that a human made itWow, you really just cut off the second part of my sentence, you weasley little shit. Why couldn't the house have just been there from the start, hm? Maybe God just put it there because it's part of His design? If everything in the world is designed, this is perfectly rational to think, no?>Of course there is.No, there isn't. To say something is designed you need to show me something incidental first. I, as the atheist, have no issue comparing a rock to a stopwatch, because the rock came up by chance due to a multitude of natural effects, whereas the watch is way too intricate to have plausibly spawned in nature. But you can't do that. You believe God designed the rock, too. How can you say the pocketwatch is designed when the rock is, too?
>>537654401Those other religions speak of a universe already existing. Ok, great.The Abrahamic faiths speak of how that universe came to be. This does not mean that the pagan beliefs are true, or that the Abrahamic faiths are false. It is merely an alternate explanation.>They're each others opposite polesChristianity does not deny a duality. It's a big part of the theology itself - Light and Dark, wheat and tares, sheep and goats, God and Satan, the Tree of Life and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.What you're talking about is not a refutation of Abrahamic beliefs. Christianity gives an explanation for those pagans and their beliefs as well - idol worshipers.
>>537655028>Really? May I see him?Jesus Christ will draw you to Him so long as it is within His desire to do so.John 6:44 - 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.John 15:16 - 16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.Romans 9:15-16 - 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.
>You're saying it's special pleading for God to be God? What?your god is special pleading>claims that everything must come from something>this must apply to the universe >it doesn't apply to god because god is something.it's "god of the gaps" goalpost moving and special pleading scrambled together.I can understand believing in "god" if the foundation of your cognitive ability is based on fallacious reasoning.
>>537655209>source: my kike bookspiderman will also save me if I'm in danger. I read the comics.
>>537655026well yeaharguments ain't proofa thought experiment doesn't prove anything outside itselflogic doesn't prove anything outside of logici'm not interested in wordgames exactly because words aren't proofi was hoping for an actual proof y'know hypothesis method results conclusion
>>537651580>>537651646We're almost there BTW and no signs of stopping!
>>537654960>They came from God as their cause, not from God as raw material and not from “nothing” as though nothing were something.You say 'from His will' but a will is an attribute of a mind. You are claiming a mind existed without any thoughts of creation, then it had a thought of creation, and that thought became physical reality. That means a thought turned into matter. That is literally the definition of material being extracted from an immaterial source
>>537655238You are being intellectually dishonest by distorting the definition of God in order to fit your fallacious worldview.I believe that you are intelligent enough to recognize that a created god is not God at all. If you do not understand this then I recommend further education.>>537655346another false equivalence yet again. This anon is right >>537653665 >>537653979
>>537654556No, it's not a matter of faith, it's a question of logic. The Cosmological Argument, look it up.The great irony is that atheists have no justification for using logic, or even justifying that logic exists. Logic alone requires a Universal Mind, outside of a merely human mind, to even conceive of it - the universe operates on physical and logical laws, and it did so long before humans even existed, so being a pure mental construct, how was there logic in the first place without a Universal Mind, that men call God, to order the universe along logical lines?Religious people don't even need to grant the use of logic to atheists - logic cannot exist in a purely material reality. If you're using logic at all, you are "tapping in" to a tiny, tiny part of the Universal Mind, the Logos - God.Atheists, of course, by and large, are not smart enough to even begin to grasp this concept.
>>537655386Words are used to express logic yes, logic deducts the truth.The rest is just you trying to obfuscate and repeating yourself.
>>537651580ignosticism/panentheism was my previous stance before Christ saved me. Continue searching for truth & wisdom, hopefully He will save you as He has saved me.
>>537647106kek>akshuwallythe origin of the universe riddle is nothing more than a retard meter. iz pretty simple.>what is nothing but capable of creating everything?GOD JESUS made this incredibly easy if all you do is THINK about it, kek>what is massless but capable of producing mass>what lacks mass but can condense massless energy into formits the conscious I AM, nigger. the answer is consciousness. can you make sound with your thoughts? yup. does sound produce light photons? yup. do photons manifest subatomic particles? yup. >that ez, moshe mosheimagine lacking the ability to figure out the oldest riddle and instead thinking there are infinite dimensions colliding to produce mass KE FKN LMAO. >u r in a simulation>k and who created the creator of the computer on the other side?kek, imagine believing this. kikes call it the ‘Big Bang’ for a reason. GOD spoke and sound created the matrix. wowz. hard. atheism so smart huh. o7
>>537654966Because argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy? The Truth is not found by consensus - it is entirely possible and even quite common that the consensus is wrong. Ad hominem is also a logical fallacy - whether he writes under his own name, or a pseudonym, has no bearing on the soundness of the argument/math.Two fallacies in a single post. I'm impressed.
>>537655569I would say that they are smart enough to understand the concept, and they know that it's true and what you say it's true. It's just that they don't want it to be true and wish to continue living in self-deception.Romans 1:18-25 - 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
>>537653892>or an Uncreated Creator.Why not beings we don't understand?
>>537655526>distorting my opinion of GodFtfy
>>537655608Good for you then. Why convinced you that Yeshua ben Yosef is the true god?
>>537655165>how can you say the rock is designed when the pocketwatch is too?Because one being designed by humans doesn't automatically mean the other was (or was not) designed by humans. They're different objects.>Why couldn't the house have just been there from the start?Because we can remember a time when it was not there. It used to not exist, and then it did. I suppose, logically, God could have created the entire world as it is today, and created you along with it, and implanted you with memories of the house always having existed, but this is not what happened, at least, as far as we mortals can perceive. Maybe that DID happen, but we'd have no way of saying it did or it didn't. It's unfalsifiable due to a lack of alternate perspective.Things get funky when you're talking about metaphysical concepts.
>>537654065we don't choose what we believe - we're either convinced of something or we aren't; if you don't believe me, simply CHOOSE to believe meyou can'twe don't choose
>>537655386Logic is proof. That you refuse to understand that merely shows ignorance on your part.
>>537655976He's not ben Joseph though. Joseph got cucked by Hashem.
>>537656021Intricacy is a bad metric for deciding whether something is intelligently designed or not. There are lots of intricate things that are not intelligently designed. They may be considered "designed" by natural selection or some other natural process though.
>>537655976What convinced me is being baptized by the Holy Spirit, faith itself is a gift from God since a living faith can only be rooted in a regenerated heart. All the evidence in the world will never convince a hard, unrepentant/unregenerated, spiritually dead heart, it was never an intelligence issue, it was always a heart issue.Luke 16:29-31 - 29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’”Romans 8:7-8 - 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.1 Corinthians 2:14 - 14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
>>537655746An apt passage. Atheism is just the modern version of idolatry, with the atheist themself as the idol. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Amen, brother.
>>537655796Could be. Could be an extradimensional being/s of a power vast enough to create entire dimensions and worlds and universes.But that has two problems:1) Where did HE/THEY come from?2) If he/they were uncreated, how would that differ from God in any capacity? A rose by any other name...
>>537656037I CAN. You nincompoop. I can choose to believe you. I am not convinced you are correct, but this is not a denial of free will, this is a denial of your ability to convince me.
Thank you all for this thread, I continue to grow my fruits of the Spirit.
>>537656485Brown people don't understand that you can go through life without worshiping something. They see someone who doesn't worship anything and assume they must be worshiping themselves.
