Whether you realize it or not where you fall on this viewpoint will inform the rest of your politics and lifeview. However this is a topic which humanity cannot objectively answer since it is untestable. Therefore everything is informed by this 50/50 guess.
Predestiny is all over the BibleJohn Calvin's reformation was led by the Spirit
>>537670297> The sun comes out everyday>This implicates I have to die because a deterministic retard equals replicable observations with some sort of divine mandate
>>537670297>>537670297Determinism is for cuckolds like protestants or brown people. Chads are schizomaxing as above so below, having macro and microcosm bending to their Will.
>>537670937Determinism isn't bound to religion. The most common type of deterministic thought is genetic determinism.
>>537670794>>537670297>>537670937Determinism is patently false.Here witness my disproving of it by posting a meme of my choosing out of dozens of thousands.You have no recourse against this
>>537670297Determinism is very likely to be true. It doesnt even really seem matter from which way around you skin the problem, bottom-up (empiricism) or top-down (platonsim, first mover, god), both tend towards the same consensus. In a practical sense, we can literally never know. The divine argument requires divine revelation of the truth beyond mere phenomena (which we have not been granted), and the empirical argument postulates reality to be so complex that any predictive determinism past a certain point effectively requires us to "play it out in whole".Morally and socially, it behooves us to act as though we had free will, and expect others to do the same.In short:It is what it is, we are what we are, and we don't know what will happen until it happens and then we do.Do with this information what you will.
>>537670794not really, you see this a lot with calvinists where they just adopt the label and think they are automatically saved just like in catholocism where you just need to be baptized into the church and the deal is sealed.where is repentance?where is the change of heart and mind?where is the personal walk with Jesus Christ in life?the bible talks about the elect whos lifes are predetermined, but Jesus also said, many are called, but few are chosen.the elect are not in the majority.>>537671078>having macro and microcosm bending to their Willthats just satanism bro
>>537670297>However this is a topic which humanity cannot objectively answer since it is untestableNo, it's very easily testable, if you hold up an object and let go of it does it drop out of free will? Where is the free will in the object that it uses to make a conscious decision about taking a physical action?
>>537671113I said some sort, that includes retarded logical bungee jumping
>>537671128Your choice in meme was predetermined.
>>537671128you have always the option to rebel, doesnt mean God didnt know you will rebel beforehand.God doesnt jump up in surprise everytime you chose to do your own will like he didnt see that one coming.
>>537670297Free will cannot exist, once you understand physics and quantum mechanics it’s blatantly obvious.
>>537670297>Free Will vs Determinismactually both are wrong since the universe isnt a movie playing out a script (determinism is a lie) but neither are we gods capable of magic (absolute Free Will is a delusion).instead think of it as emergent agency, the universe is composed of non equilibrium, plasma driven, electrically active systems where complexity emerges. when that complexity reaches the level of a human brain, choice becomes a real physical property of the system.so basically you don't have free will in the sense that you can defy physics but you do have agency because the physics itself is too complex to be predetermined by initial conditions.
HOURLY REMINDER: there is no god, jesus never existed and when you die it will be nothingness for eternity!
>>537671759physics and electromagnetism are based on laws. the universe does not operate in randomness or chaos, the laws it operating on doesnt suddenly change.
i still do not understand how laplaces demon is 'debunked'. we are matter just like everything else.
>>537670297"There is neither creation nor destruction, neither destiny nor free will, neither path nor achievement. This is the final truth."
>>537670297There can be both free will and determinism. if you entirely understand someone to the nearest detail, you'll know what path they'll take even when they're free to do whatever they want
>>537671548>>537671567I didn't rebel, i chose a random meme.You are yet again confusing "omniscience" with " predeterminism"
>>537670297It doesn't matter if the universe works deterministically, stochastically or probabilistically. Free will is incompatible with every model of reality. There's no hypothetical explanation for free will beyond "it's magic" or "it's like, quantum mechanics dude". Anyone with some degree of curiosity about the world they live in should have this figured out by twelve years old.
>>537671113>The most common type of deterministic thought is genetic determinismLike some men will never be women?
>>537671924knowing the rules of chess doesnt mean the game is over before it starts, basically physics provides the constraints, but complexity creates the possibilities.a system can be 100% governed by laws and still be fundamentally unpredictable and capable of emergent behavior.
Libertarian free will gotta be it.Otherwise we're all destined to grow infinite towards God and some sort of universalism is true with the Perfect God as understood by 10/10 metaphysician Christians entails, but then hell is not forever and everything will be fine.
>>537672002>I chose "randomly"thats just your perception
>>537672027They confound material conditions with determinismYou will never be the planet Jupiter, but can still choose between eating and playing tennis
>>537671992if your future is known by your idea of what god is, then you have no free will. you are just a movie. you cannot be able to choose between two options and have the outcome already known before hand and retain free will. it could feel like free will though.
>>537672096chess operates on rules or laws as well, its not random, each move is dependent on the stage of the game.that doesnt mean every game plays the same, but the game is being played out in contained environment subject to the rules it was determined in the play out.
>>537672118Nope, you are again confusing omniscience with determinism
>>537672192We can still choose, we just don't. We chose to have this conversation even if it was pre-determined 1 second after the big bang
>>537672310you are operating in an environment that was predetermined. you did not chose the walk of your life, you are merely reacting to outward influences and perceptions.
>>537672192you can chose if the "movie" of your life is good or bad, and depends if you cooperate with the director of the movie.
>>537672385if i watch a movie i could skip to the end and it would be the same regardless.
>>537672454wrong, also not the definition of "predeterminism" at all
>>537671128>Thinks his choice to post a meme wasn't predetermined.Just imagine thinking like this, lol.
>>537672027No, like a swamp german will always say some stupid simplistic gotcha shit and act like he's clever and totally unperturbed by everything
Choice is an illusion, created between those with power, and those without.Everything has already been determined before you were born. Your parents your sex your IQ your appearance the country and time period you will live in.
>>537670297An individual can modify their outward behavior, but an individual's nature, or temperament, is set in stone and cannot be modified, as Schop wrote:>Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he willsIt's really not that complex. Free will comes from Judaism. There was no such doctrine in Christianity from Augustine to Luther. As Christianity degenerates it becomes closer to crude Judaism, and so the concept becomes more important as that degeneration occurs.
>>537672665so it was your choice to come into the world?did you just plop into existence?
>>537672293your logic is circular and following a rule isnt the same as being bound to a single path.even within the constraints of chess the sheer complexity of possible moves creates an unpredictable landscape. and when you apply this to a plasma driven, electromagnetically active open system universe you see that agency is not a violation of physical law but a consequence of it.also determinism might exist as a mathematical model, but reality operates through emergent complexity where choice becomes a tangible physical property.
>>537670297>Free Will vs DeterminismThat isn't even up for debate. You didn't choose your parents, the country where you were born, your race, your ethnicity, your culture, hell, you didn't even choose your name. Just because you decided to eat beans and toast this morning doesn't mean that your will is free.
>>537672826You're a nigger.Sorry, I was predestined to say that, don't blame me.
>>537672750not the definition of predetermination.Are you the male faggot from the witch thread You sound like him
>>537672818>your logic is circular and following a rule isnt the same as being bound to a single path.His analogy was bad, but you're bound by a single path. Free will is not a man choosing between two roads, but a river believing it chose the sea, it may bend, hesitate, split around stone, shimmer beneath different skies, yet every curve still belongs to the pull that carries it, and that is the illusion people mistake for freedom, because they confuse choosing within a current with being free of the current itself.
>>537671419You misunderstand the core message of the Bible. Repentance is indeed important but you are not saved by your works. Your works are merely a sign of true faith. We are still required to do works under New Covenant, but they don't achieve your salvation – from Romans 3:"For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. ... Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law"
>>537673009yes, I knew it was you from your very first post.weird how that "random" image you chose directly identified who you are on an anonymous board.
>>537670297
>>537672826>>537673039>brazilian intellectualbeing born into a certain culture doesn't negate the ability of a high complexity neural network to exercise agency within that framework.also there is a massive difference between "passive flow" of a river and "active navigation" of a highly complex lifeform.
>>537673122Yea keep getting dabbed on
>>537670297There is neither free will nor unfree will.There is only strong will and weak will.- Nietzsche
>>537672933>I was predestined to say thatYes.>don't blame meJust because a man does what was predestined does not mean he is therefore innocent, because he does not sin by force or against his will, but according to the corruption of his own nature. His will is not free, pure, or sovereign, standing above his heart as if it could choose good or evil untouched by what he is, his will is bound to his nature, and because that nature is fallen, what he desires, chooses, and loves apart from grace is itself crooked. So when he does evil, he is not some blameless victim of destiny, but a man acting out the very darkness of his own heart, and for that reason judgment remains just, because predestination does not erase guilt when the sin committed is the very thing the sinner wanted.
>>537670297actually, the answer is neither
>>537672565And the Jew who produced it was still free to make a brown woman the hero and the white man a villain
>>537673163>picrelatedIt's literally my favorite quote.
>>537673066repentance is a decision, a one time choice. not something you repeat or an emotion.>Your works are merely a sign of true faith. We are still required to do works under New Covenant, but they don't achieve your salvation – from Romans 3:I fully agree. and who writes the his law on your heart?>For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.Jeremiah 31:33>>537673247you are the one that is reaping the L's
>the hermitYou mean the hermetic?
>>537672818microcosm vs macrocosmyour choice dont influence how the plasma driven, electromagnetic universe operates, you merely react to it.thus your microscopic actions are a result of the macroscopic environment.
>>537673201>"active navigation" of a highly complex lifeformso you acknowledge that God or something like him exists?
>>537670297The human brain is a quantum computer- how the fuck have you faggots not yet learned to hold no proof 50/50 conundrum options simultaneously while adapting and probing both.This is why so much shit never advances- little gay babu thinks its going to get a nice easy neat answer and build off it. Anything with any substance isnt like that.The answer is yes. Your will and the choices it makes shape reality, but your will itself is shaped in turn by reality. The universe is both a rubegold(berg) machince set in motion by an incomprehensible deity, and soemthing you can shape warp and bend with merely your thought and focus.Stop expecting easy neat answers to complex open questions you damn hylics.
Please tell me you're joking. What's an /x/ thread doing on /pol/?
>>537673604your view is primitive and youre stuck in a top down determinism that ignores everything we know about non linear dynamics. and thinking that microscopic actions have zero influence on macroscopic states is like saying an individual cell has no impact on the organism.in any complex, plasma driven system the local fluctuations drive global changes. this is observable fact.basically your macro vs micro divide is a relic of failed newtonian thinking that should have died over a century ago.>>537673770my framework doesn't require a God because it explains how order arises from chaos through natural, complex processes.I'm talking about how reality actually functions via entropy and electromagnetic fields, meanwhile youre trying to use mythology to fill the gaps in your own understanding.basically the process is so powerful that it doesnt need a manager/God to function.
>>537673933Lmao as time moves forward X and pol will become more and more indistinguishable
>>537670297For a low iq brownoid like me predestination simply means my present life will reflect my future
>>537673983>because it explains how order arises from chaono it doesnt not, because order cant come from chaos. its against the laws of physics.>basically the process is so powerful that it doesnt need a manager/God to function.who put the laws on how this poweful process functions in place?chaos?
>>537670297>since it is untestableThe evidence for free will is apparent in every waking moment of your life. You experience free will, to doubt your own experience is both psued and cucked at the same time.
>>537670297>Normies are only just discovering bio-racism >The astute and competent are mapping mental-racialism >2000s/2010s racialists are at the Astral-racism level. Lol. One of the big life plot twists is that females in a sense are working backwards from this (implied/directional) starting point. Advanced male anons will soon start to discover that ghosts and astrology are auto-horny icebreakers for girls and the hotter they are the more bat shit psychic they are.
i hate it when /pol/cels try to do "philosophy" or theology
>>537674262you clearly dont understand what chaos even means in a physical context.chaos isnt mystical randomness.chaos is about dissipative structures.thermodynamics proves that when you introduce energy gradients into a high entropy (chaotic) system, order naturally emerges as a way to dissipate that energy more efficiently."order" is a predictable consequence of how complex systems handle energy flow.>who put the laws on how this poweful process functions in place?whether those laws are inherent properties of existence or set by some initial condition doesnt change the fact that the mechanism of emergence works without intervention.your argument relies on either everything is random or someone must have designed it.actual science (not mainstream jew science) shows there is a third option: emergent complexity driven by fundamental, nonrandom physical constants.
I find it hilarious that there are still some who think free will exist. You niggers could have been aborted at birth had you been born to taquesha when she was still a teenager on crack
>>537670794Dude, your Tanakh is the BBC News or CNN of religious texts.
>>537673351Repentance is not a one time choice. Jesus said you have to accept your brother who falls and repents seven times a day. You have a need for that, too.The sign of true faith is getting back up after every time you get knocked down, people who don't have it stay fown
>>537670297Determinism based on the behavioral patterns of individuals
>>537674627no, you have to forgive him his transgressions until 77 times.you know what Jesus is quoting? Genesis 4>If Cain's revenge is sevenfold,>then Lamech's is seventy-sevenfold.”the pessage doesnt talk about repentance at all.>The sign of true faith is getting back up after every time you get knocked down, people who don't have it stay fownthis has nothing to do with repentance as well.repentance literally means, turning around or changing the way you think.its the choice and act of giving charge of you life back to God in faith. "not my will, but your Will", Jesus perfectly demonstrated that.Romans 1212 I appeal to you therefore, brothers,[a] by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.[b]
>>537671924CHAOS THEORY SUGGESTS OTHERWISE
>>537674548>emergent complexity driven by fundamental, nonrandom physical constantsthats what I have been saying all the timethe only part we are in disagreement of is if there is a prime mover that is deterministic
>>537673933/x/? This debate is the origin point of all politics whether you realize it consciously or not.
>>537675189We don't talk about infinity
>>537670297God gave us freewill.
>>537670297>>537671128>You say I'm a fag, but I am actually gay. IT'S THE SAME FUCKING THING ON THE ASTRO-PHYSICAL LEVEL YOU DIAPERCLOWN!The emergent phenomena of consciousness is a force of determination, it's just not so obviously linear, especially from the pov of the witness, that it gets a different classification from the more mechanically deterministic mediums that are more quantifiable, but on the grand domino effect level, it was going to happen. It's comparable to the "mind vs body" dichotomy. The truth is the mind and body are actually kinda the same thing in that the brain is the body, but with the caveat that it also kind of isn't. What this means is that in practice, free will, as a real thing, becomes a mechanism of determinism. This is actually in part why jokes work and why plot twists can surprise people. It's also used in terms of auto-suggestion. You can forget something and "retrace" your steps to find it again, because of the predictability of these mental processes. THAT SAID, there's also very odd things on the pre-cognitive level where complex ideas and images start to appear, often in the middle ground between sleep and alertness it seems..A complexity to consider is that time and consciousness is an emergent phenomena due to a perfect imbalance between a defined past and future, that cannot resolve itself into a stasis and thus past and present is forced to adapt with incredible complexity to accommodate for the activities in the "present" where your consciousness operates. IF something like that is going on then your "free will" becomes and even more aggressively deterministic mechanism rather than the ultimate counter to the idea of determinism. (it may also explain time dilation, prophecy, manifestation, synchronicity and mandella effect).
>>537675343Nowhere in the bible does it say this. In fact the entire point of Christian prayer is thy will be done. Anything converging from Gods will is inherently evil. The one who actually gave us free will is Satan.
>>537675189a prime Mover is a solution in search of a problem and we already have a complete explanation:>fundamental constants driving non equilibrium emergenceso you adding a deterministic mover adds zero explanatory power, you just add an unnecessary layer of superstition to a process that is already fully accounted for by physics.
>>537675518What's to say another universe doesn't have completely different physics
divine might is the ultimate arbitrator of reality and truth.The first story of genesis says it all, I shall taketh thy brothers shit and whom are you to say otherwise? everything after that is to scare you away from that one truth
>>537675518>nonrandom physical constantsthis defeats your order out of chaos argument tho since physics operate on laws that constrain it.these laws have to come from a lawmaker.physics or chaos are not lawmakers.
If everything is determined then you were determined to believe that, making knowledge impossible. It’s a self refuting assertion
>>537675795Or learning is predetermined
>>537671078>Determinism is for cuckolds >key word "cuck" - usually a male who lets other men fuck his gf/wife etc.The cuck is the witness.>Chads are schizomaxing as above so below, having macro and microcosm bending to their Will.>Key concept: bending things to their will = determinism. The cuckinating force is deterministic.Ok so, while what you are saying is basically true, if determinism is for cucks and you are the determinator.. that raises the question of which role you are playing? The cuck is the witness.So that leave's the buck and the wife. ..............
>>537670297>Free Will vs Determinismwhy not both? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatibilism
>>537670297At this point, what difference does it make? Whether debtcattle are predetermined to be inagentic or whether they choose to be inagentic is irrelevant to the realities of your life. That said: neither free will nor determinism conclusively exclude another. You can excersise your free will, as debtcattle does, to become a temporally challenged honorary nigger and eternal victim citing determinism in defense of everything bad, or you can be predetermined to champion free will and live a life that implies it, whilst having none. It's just like the conundrum of solipsism: in a system resting on solipsism, the denial of solipsism becomes an necessary protective function of the system, maintaining its integrity.
>>537675795>>537675830Retconning can be deterministic.
“Oh, Thou who burn'st in Heart for those who burn In Hell, whose fires thyself shall feed in turn How long be crying,—'Mercy on them, God! Why, who art Thou to teach, and He to learn?”
>>537674906>"not my will, but your Will"Exactly!!! That's what I'm sayingAnd Jesus does use "repent" (metanoia) in Luke 17:4
>>537675617>bringing up irrelevant hypotheticals>>537675716you are fundamentally misunderstanding what a law is.its not an issued command by a legislator but is a description of how matter and energy behave.you say:>"laws have to come from a lawmaker"but that assumes a distinction between the rule and the reality.math is a derivative of reality, not the reality itself. math is math and reality is reality. jews and retards somehow cant figure this out I noticed.so basically physics doesnt require a lawmaker because the "laws" are just the mathematical patterns we observe in the eternal, electromagnetic interactions of plasma and energy.there is no legislator/jew god, there is only the inherent, self consistent behavior of an endless, complex system. you are looking for a god where there is only a process.
>>537676020Free will can be deterministic*
>>537670297If it's perceptible, it's conveyable; even if not by many. And free will does not exist, BTW. You were always going to be the person you are; you were always going to make the choices you have/will, based on your exact concoction of DNA & circumstantial/environmental influences. You perceive things the way you do; philosophize & believe & prefer the ways/things you do; because you never had a chance of becoming someone else -- with different preferences, etc -- other than who you are. Your predisposition/possibility of changing yourself/your ways/your views/etc is also predetermined. A TBI or other traumatic event or period, substance use, and malnutrition are like the few ways to really change someone down to their personality, preferences, and behavioral tendencies. Even the media I presume doesn't change people inasmuch as it might make their views more extreme. Rather, the personality seeks out the political party.
>>537676102If another universe has completely different physics then "God" is whatever made those physics different
>>537676020Argumentation presupposes the ability to choose the true or false otherwise we’re both determined to answer the way we are and you can’t know if you’re determined to believe a false belief
>>537675967>le centrist
>>537670297Depends on your point of view. You are free in the first-person, and determined in the third-person. Since there is no God to provide a definitive third-party verdict, the only meaningful question is: Which perspective should I adopt right now to live a richer, more conscious life?
>>537676091>Luke 17:4yes that is correct. its from the perspective of the sinner who repents.Peter was asking from the perspective of the one that was sinned against.>>537676102>its not an issued command by a legislator but is a description of how matter and energy behave.thats the same tho, because matter and energy behave according to law.>you are looking for a god where there is only a process.you want to cut out the lawmaker from his creation that acts according to his set laws.
>>537676169>muh speculative multiversal fanfiction
>>537676316No you are not free in any sense. If God doesn't want you to have a girlfriend he will move heaven and earth to make sure of it. Every thing is determined in the old testament. All the prophets acknowledged this. The potters house parable ect. The entire point of faith revolves accepting your condition
>>537676430Rather. The fundamental laws of physics can't be explained, we just accept them because that's what we live in. Like who really thinks light makes any sense
I am become death, destroyer of worlds
>>537676417there is no "setting" of laws.the laws are a permanent feature of reality.they have always been because they are the very essence of how energy and charge exist. so no god is needed.
>>537676542>being so dim that you think "we don't fully understand it yet" is a reason to revert to mysticism
>>537676558thats just arrogance and ignorance tho.
>>537676547he smiles like mr beast
>>537676654I'm just saying the complexity of the system and it's seeming irrationality means it's possible there's somewhere else that it's not the case. And if you stuck a thermometer in that you'd find the fundamental building block of reality, theoretically
>>537676654thinking a complex universe that self governs itself and came up with its on laws is peak mysticism.its straight up fairytail stuff.
>>537676706>thats just arrogance and ignorance tho.yeah, coming from you.
>>537676771there is not much difference, Yaldabaoth smiles unto his not existence
>>537670297I believe in determinism
>>537676283You cannot refute either one of them and they both have reasons to be true, the sane conclusion is that both are true.>>537676505Yes but that doesn't invalidate you having free will in any sense. Just because your options are limited doesn't mean you have no options at all
>>537676505>No you are not free in any sense.NPC detected.
>>537676813why, the creator and lawmaker revealed himself to mankind in Jesus, I just acknowledge him as who he is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzrRoDd9CxM
>>537677014I predicted this post
>>537677014
>>537676894You choice revolves around A. Choosing God's will for you that was determined by him or B. Going your own way. Thats not free will its still within the confines of a highly structured system. Its more like a highway route and diverges that you can exit to. Free will would be like going from any point to any other point.
>>537677074>fuck you buddy >fuck you buddy>fuck you buddy
>>537670297Determinism and free will aren't mutually exclusive. If you require any further explanation you're an npc shitskin retard
>>537671128Random choices is not free will.Free will is meant to sit somewhere in a mystical third category. A choice made not due to reasons and wants, and not due to any randomness. The issue is all choices can be explained by having reasons, wants and randomness combined, and that leaves no room for this mystical free will to be required.
>>537676793thats just more retarded fanfiction.>>537676797calling reality mysticism because you lack the cognitive capacity to understand nonlinear dynamics is truly hilarious.youre essentially arguing that nothing can happen unless someone gives it permission.>>537676929hilarious. your only defense against physics is some ancient jewdeo christian fairy tale.
>>537677270listen brother im telling you, club this fucker with a rock and be done with italso take his shit
>>537677123Now explain all non abrahamic religions
>>537677388find the exit or get crushed and do it again
>lol
>>537677437Rather, does the existence of non monotheistic religions indicate a possibility outside of "God's determinism"
>>537677270I was in favor of physics in every one of my posts.Jesus has proven that the laws of physics are subject to him through his many miracles.he is the lawmaker that physics abide to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpdHuo7YwBU
>>537670297It's not a guess, it's a choice
>>537677504we are deterministic, but it is with a blindfold onto you and if you dare to take off the pallid mask and gaze into the abyss, will your mind crack?>smoke salvia and hope abraxas doesn't fuck you in the ass
>>537677525thats just magical thinking disguised as logic
>>537677622>lets just ignore thathow genuine of you
>>537677621Spooks and shadows in your mind are what you find in my experience. Spiritual entities must be afraid of me
>>537677725we're ignoring the part where your entire worldview collapsed?how convenient.typical behavior when reality gets too heavy to carry. enjoy your jewsus delusions
>>537677751you have relived this infinity ways and you can choose to realize this, and then stay or leave "in another life, when we are cats" perhaps
>>537672565THIS MOVIE NEVER ENDS. ALSO, ONLY WITH GOD'S EYES CAN YOU SEE INTO THE FUTURE WITHOUT GOD'S EYES YOU ARE BLINDED BY THE DARKNESS OF ACTIONS… SO YOU HAVE FREE WILL UNTIL YOU HAVE ACCESS TO GODS EYES… YHVH
>>537677123Think of it this way: God foreknows the choice you will make from your available options, but your ability to act depends entirely on His continuous preservation of your existence (keeping your heart beating until you get to that point) Therefore, by sustaining the conditions necessary for your actions, the divine will actively facilitates and brings your own free will into fruition.
>>537677845Im definitely not a source of infinity, I'm a pleb
>>537677813how does my worldview collapse?it makes it more understandable.reality becomes the easy part the moment you come back into the fold of the creator of it.you are the one that needs to come up with copes that has to rely on "it is what it is".
>>537670297test
>>537677944>that's the spirit
>>537670794I think the concept of "free will" is different whether it's in a religious or scientific context. I believe Calvin and Luther's belief in a lack of free will was that we do not have the free will to gain our salvation without the Holy Spirit. A physicists concept of free will is that time is just another dimension and we do not have the ability to change what is going to happen, we are just along for the ride.
>>537678020You could make the argument offspring are the source of infinity and you should worship them
>>537670297>guess
>>537678044our free will ends when something turns us into house cats or cattle and we have no deterministic will, if you want to be pedantic about it
>>537677952>reality becomes the easy part yeah because you replaced thinking with blind obedience to fake and gay jewish religions.and calling scientific realism a cope while living in a jew fantasy world is the most hilarious form of projection I've ever seen.stay in your little fold.
>>537670297>smallest particles that every single physical object in our universe is constructed of are completely random. >literally mathematically proven to be random>deterministcucks still cannot stop forcing their "everything is predetermined" narrative you lost
>>537678079Yes I that's actually a healthy way of looking at the metaphysical vs material world.In fact, some would extrapolate that of the worship of saturn for some (we are snipping our kids lol, snip snip) Modern day worship of Saturn, disguised as progressivism You wana talk about Cain and Able, god damn
>>537678189believing God doesnt mean you have to forsake scientific realism.studying STEM and the mechanics of the DNA makes an intelligent creator God undeniable.
>>537670297Determinism is described by Quantum Mechanics in the "Observer Effect." The process of observing a particle changes the way the particle behaves. Consciousness creates the universe.
>>537678238How's fucking over your kids worshipping them
>>537678189besides, most scientific advances were discovered by God believing people.you are the outlier when it comes to scientific realities.
>>537678305The modern monolith of progressivism consumes their own children in a literal manifestation of the worship of the ancient kronus or saturn GOOGLE IT STOP EXPECTING ME TO EXPLAIN EMPIRICALLY DOCUMENTED PSYCHO BABLEmy actual argument unto the human condition is clubbing eachother over the head with rocks into submissionthats it thats all it is, and ever will be you being mentally clubbed over the head with rocks
>>537678409Don't cities consume children?
If determinism isn't real then who the fuck put asphalt roads in Africa
>>537678220many worlds and pilot wave interpretations of QM are not "random" though, and with QBism it's pretty much subjective
>>537678521yeah its why historically the steppe people ass raped them, until gunpowder BTFOd that gimmick
>>537670297Free will for the win. Even those that are believing to be slaves they have free will potential that is unrealized.
>>537678272studying STEM only proves how incredible nature is at creating complexity without your imaginary jew god and calling evolution God's work is just the ultimate cope for people who find actual science too intimidating to study properly.>>537678379science is defined by evidence, not by how many people believe in it.
>>537678581So if a city worships it's children enough they can defend against outside threats
>>537678614evolution is a theory because it was never proven.>science is defined by evidencethen you really should look into all the prophecies of the bible that have evidence for them.
>>537670297>50/50 guess.fucking basedAnd that's my exact answer actually, both are not actually disjointed and the question itself is kind of absurd because it's saying "pick one."It results in anyone who picks only one looking foolish.
>>537678614>how incredible nature is at creatingWhy do you feel the need to talk about nature as if it is a deity?>not by how many people believe in itScientific consensus is literally just that, nobody just believes for no reason
>>537670297Whether you have agency or not, your life is still predetermined or "known". Literally both science, religion, and religion co firm this, time and time again.
>>537678665The entire scope of a "city" in a "global world" means that banks want to leverage your existence against you with immigration, and if the public ever realized this they would rise uphow many people are here just because they are doing the ottoman genocide thing but with a fucking bank and tiktok we arent in the ancient era, and even the later empires of antiquity ALL died to the same thingnow, we are all just peasants who are more of an enemy to our respective nations than foreigners (this applies to the west) if you wana look at the death of the whole "cycle of infinite rebirth" I spoke about, look at modern day china, korea, japan similar issues despite being ethnically homogenous my point is cities now and cities as city states are two vastly different things in antiquity you lived in a city because bandits and nomads would fuck you, or you lived within the domain of an empire and had no choice now you live in cities becasue most modern fiat jobs are in the city what deterministic value is derived from generations of bearocrats? I guess we will find out
>>537678920*logic
>>537678733>hes fundamentally illiterate in both science and logic.>>537678815youre confusing worshiping with describing.
>>537678940Yes importing cheap labor to replace your children is the antithesis of planning for the future
>>537679138I see therefore I amWhat does that say about us, if we blindly go along with sacrificing our children to antilife of not existing, for corporate profit? Once again basket weaving forum, I present to you the bash that fucking cock sucker with a rock argument
>>537679211Well we're being lied to
Free will has nothing to do with choosing and everything to do with choice. You don't choose the choices available, only what is available chooses you by necessity or by instinct. Life is a restaurant and you have no say what's on the menu, your diet does.
>>537679316my next argument; modern society is a daycare for women and niggers
>>537679420And most of the drama surrounding them was created by lies
>>537679136You can describe reality without the implied personification and deification . For example using create there entails "to cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes". But somehow you innately feel like you need a God, you just renamed the being essentially
>>537670297Literally who cares. Such philosophy has basically zero relevance to every day life. I personally reject the notion of free will as nonsensical, but it has zero effect on my life. I still do what I choose to, just because free will is logically impossible, it does not bother me, I still feel in control.
>>537679468the literal reason we have automatic cars is because woman + road + workforce = we are fucked affirmative action is to financially incentivize not hiring white men the rock argument is pure honestly bravo big corporate, clubbing us over the heads with women and pets
>>537679485Im not describing an act of creation, I'm describing a process of emergence.
>>537679567You want to talk about 80 IQ bureaucrats deterministically destroying society. What about lies
>>537679508>I still do what I choose toBy your own admission you don't choose anything so what the fuck do you mean lmao?>logically impossibleWhich laws of logic does it go against again?
>>537670297the older i get the more i realize that our choices are not really made by us. life is an invisible maze that intertwines with everyone else's, and these "choices" we seem to make are merely the twists and turns through it. even when someone commits a terrible crime such as murder, they often give the reasoning that they "felt they had no choice". when we do things our gut tells us to do, we often feel like it must be done. we also have moments where things "feel" impossible and they usually are.naturally, this does not mean we aren't responsible for what we do, but it merely means that what we call "good" and "bad" are just reflections on the society we live in. life is not necessarily "designed" as the theists like to think, but just an endless loop of cause and effect - often times from sources we cannot possibly see or that happened years ago that end up impacting our lives only in the future.whether or not there is a "first cause", aka God, is another matter, but i don't see why there would need to be anything other than random chance. in some respects, we can blame the primitive cells that existed ~4 billion years ago that eventually evolved life as we know it on earth.
>>537679606
>>537670297I like to think its a bit of both since life is dualistic, pluralistic, etcahem... nigger
>>537679674The best you can do is realize this, and try and deject as much from that part of society without it consuming you. Find wife, teach kids to be better versions than you. That's life, and don't let society take that from you lest we become an indian dilat (in the literal sense)
>>537670297The answer is determinism, and if you don't see it you're just retarded.
>>537679764nope
>>537679606Great but the language used there is inherently assuming that "nature" is a creator of sorts and creators are commonly deities. It seems like you feel the need to worship existence
>>537679866Oh I'm not worried about "life" whatever that means. I'll probably fall into it eventually. I'm saying a lot of the policies that lead us here were based on lies first and foremost presented by institutions as fact by circumventing subverting liars
>>537679379I'll add becoming Christian made me realize even more how much religion is just absurdism, which is just closet nihilism, i still feel like pretending that universal moral absolutes are important seeing as the alternative is too unstable
>>537676547>rape Mexican kids lol
>>537679902you want a god, just not the God of the bible. thus creation becomes your god.
>>537679904no, describing a process isn't deifying it
>>537679958its hard to run on the platform of "we are snipping your kids and importing browns, because its cheaper" but its sure as fuck easy to run on the "freedom and liberty party"or in my country's literal case the Liberals hahahaor hey you can always vote for 300k immigrants instead of 600k annually, as its the "conservative" option
>>537679984>you want a godall the gods are fake, none of them are required to explain anything we see.
>>537680056Using language like that is subconscious deification whether you like it or not lmao. Would you be comfortable saying nature is your creator and sustainer who gives you every blessing you have? If yes that's exactly the language used by theists to describe God and it's also factual even from your paradigm
>>537680096"liberals" are liars, go figure
>>537672310Dating a witch will literally give you a disease like cancer I’m not fucking kidding, so yeah, demon magic might happen in your life
>>537680311>thinks describing a mechanism counts as worshippeak brainlet
we are determined to be freewe can't see the strings + limitation = the operative manifestation of freedom
>>537680578Why can't you describe a mechanism without resorting to theistic language? pic rel is what you're doing and you're too butthurt to admit it
>>537680882ignore the preachers of Yaldabaoth, for they know not that their god isn't real
>>537680882>muh semanticsdoesnt make your fake and gay jew god any more real, sorry.
>>537681039buddy if I smash enough of you with a rock your god will never be of known to of existed, then what? dont make me turn you into a giant pyramid now
>>537680175Can you see logic?
>>537681122>Can you see logic?can you?
>>537681151I’m not an empiricist
>>537681039So you have no response? Concession accepted. This is you lmao
I think free will is real. Freedom is the most important value, because without it everything else doesn‘t really matter. In my life experience when I live up to freedom I get rewarded, when I neglect it I get punished
>>537670297There are people who argue these topics and there are people who live. Who is right?
>>537681294so you don't believe in facts?>>537681324>So you have no response?you cant read good?>Concession acceptedyes I accept your concession
>>537671567>>537672118>>537672454moral choice aka free will is literally given to us in the bible so you're AT LEAST 50% wrong>>537681151>>5376812940wn3d nerd
>>537676505You are asking me to deny the most immediate, undeniable fact of my existence, that I am here, now, weighing options because of a third-party model of what happened before I was born. But that model is just a description from the outside. From the inside, which is the only place I actually live, the choice is mine. If God or a physicist sees it differently, that doesn't make my experience false; it just means they are looking from a different angle. And no angle is absolute.
>>537681660this guy is triple boostered :DDDD
>>537681660I believe you can’t observe metaphysical facts from sense data
>>537681660angrily lashing out because you believe in this is not a response sorry
>>537681707>moral choice aka free will is literally given to us in the biblecare to give me the bible verse?the bible says we are all rebels against God until we repent and it is God in the Holy Spirit who convicts us of sins into repentance.there are two states in the bible, those against God and those with God and God does the choosing.free will is the illusion.
>I Don't Know>I Don't Know>I Don't KnowDesu
>>537670297In order to affirm determinism you need to have enough knowledge to substantiate it which is paradoxical since it requires us to look inwards to a point where everything breaks down and that's why determinism will always fail.
>>537681771nope>>537681885>"I can say whatever I want, about whatever I want, and since I call it "metaphysical" you can't prove me wrong!">>537681907you are literally making things up now because you lost the debate and your low IQ attempt at semantics didnt work.
>>537681952Choosing God is an act of free will. God helps those who help themselves, it‘s when you are most free is when you get most help
>>537682038>self-introspection is hardbrainlet detected
>>537682070You can keep telling yourself that, it won't change the fact that you worship a personification of nature but you're too ashamed to admit it. Shame is a good thin you might see the error in your ways
>>537682115you cant choose God. it goes against the very definition of rebel.God reaches out to humans, not the other way round.>God helps those who help themselvesthat not even a bible verse
>>537682218>it won't change the fact that you worship a personification of naturebut I dont worship any personifications of anything and never claimed I did.you literally made this up because you lost the argument.
>>537670297And a 50/50 guess is the truth:The universe cycles locally between free will and determinism at every point in the Aether. Can't have one without the other. Can't have a universe without both.
If free will is an illusion than it is an effective one and knowing it is as such would be pointless>it doesn't matter>back to pondering my meat
>>537681907Shut the Fuck up, Use your Hindu yoggie powers to make gets. If not your we Religion is shit, I've claimed it. Go ask your holeyest men, guru's or godmen to come here And meme get.>We challenge them, your shit hindu gods or Any Pagen's. Match these fucking digit's, no hacking. Show you got the Vrill, "magic". When you can't be scared, because someone like Me, can step on your gods, piss on them and gets digit's while doing it?
>>537682247>God reaches out to humans yet sends them to hell, otherwiseman none of you make any sense
>>537670297That's a fable designed to keep humans blatantly ignorant of their own spiritual nature and the authority/power that comes with it.You can significantly influence the world around you with sheer will, if you're not a complete slave to your fleshly being.
>>537682333>noo you don't get it I don't think my goddess looks human therefore it isn't worshipDoesn't matter what you claim now, we all saw it. Everything you say is without a doubt akin to worship. You were just glorifying your deity and calling it your creator
>>537682443God being sovereign choosing on whom he has mercy and being just delivering punishment at the same time usually outrages people, yes.
>>537682185Who are you quoting? Because it's not me. Try again retard.
>>537682631>we all saw itwas only real in your mind.>Everything you say is without a doubt akin to worship. nope and repeating your shitskin lies doesnt make it any more true.
When you have enough knowledge to accurately predict human actions way in advance that's when you can accurately claim determinism is a thing. But you never will have such a knowledge and that's why free will is the correct way of thinking.
>>537670297lol they are the same thing Two poles… walk into a bar
>>537682847lol Hylics are everywhere on this site lately
>>537682819dude you literally think a brown deity is your creator, embarrassing
>>537682070Just showing you truth is not only derived from sense data and it can’t be justified. This is literally just Hume’s skepticism
>>537683019Every accusation is a confession. Boring. Attempt to articulate a disagreement.
>>537683020>shitskin keeps repeating his lieskek
>>537683283>In Greek mythology, Gaia (/ˈɡeJ.ə, ˈɡaJ.ə/;[2] Ancient Greek: Γαῖα, romanized: Gaîa, a poetic form of Γῆ (Gê), meaning 'land' or 'earth'),[3] also spelled Gaea (/ˈdʒiː.ə/),[2] is the personification of Earth.[4]sorry your mommy is blonde, is the character described here the one that gave life to you yes or no?
>>537682247stop bro your retard brain is showing>>537682370something like this is the truth as far as we know tbqh famalam>>537683283>empiricist tears all over the immaginary floor>coping and seething>he cannot into philosophyhow sad
>>537683479>more shitskin fanfictionlmao
>>537676558Your country is dead because of midwits like you.>inb4 you deflect by admitting you're an immigrant shitskin
>>537683734notice how you can't answer a simple yes or no question, you worship dirt colored women ahahahaha
>>537683833>couldnt form an argument>goes straight to butthurt postinglmao>>537683862>you worship dirt colored womenbut I dont, do shitskins really think if they repeat their lies often enough they become true?yes or no?
>>537671128You only think you chose the meme but your choosing of it was already predetermined
>>537682247so basically how does that deny free will? it doesn't. all the angels are in your head and its always what you wanted because you cast them there which makes it idiosynchratic and paradoxical but basically...yea determinism is wrong retard
>>537684078read an actual book before you talk to us dirty midwit anon kun, you vaxxed boy
>>537670937God shares the ability to determine temporally but not eternally. There you go. Really easy to answer. Falling for illusory mutual exclusivity is the midwit's hallmark sign.
>>537670297Both. Freewill and determinism exist simultaneously. The question is who has freewill and who doesn't. Or does each apply at different times and when are those times. What can one do to gain freewill and be free of determinism.
>>537670297determinism is for cowards. choice is one of the highest blessings we have as humans.
>>537670794The version of god you worship is satanic and creates people that are slaves for the sole purpose of torturing them in hell and basically an insane schizophrenic larping as many different people then, but you do you my mindless indoctrinated unconscious retarded npc friend
>>537671941We are the consciousness in matter not matter itself
>>537684078No need to argue. I'd rather mock you while pointing out the obvious. Honestly, I only needed to read to of your posts to draw a conclusion: autistic Germ midwit, fully culpable for the nations decay, or Bombay MS (paper mill, of course) poojeet. Both signs of the same (terminal) illness.Old nation, old ideas, old arguments. It will be tremendously pleasurable to watch your people slowly eradicated over the course of my lifetime.
>>537671567So god created people knowing what they would do and would then punish some for eternity...seems utterly retarded
>>537684260>you vaxxed boyit was real in your mind?
>>537684303lol no they don't exist at the same time. get outta here midwit. you can't have both ways.
>>537684404>No need to argueI accept your concession, didnt read the rest of your cope post.
>>537684413>seems utterly retardedbecause it is, all religions are.
>>537674906>you have to forgive him his transgressions until 77 times.Yes. If they repent. Mathew i think omits that part, but luke does not.
>>537684078>Dheghom (Proto-Indo-European: *dʰéǵʰōm or *dʰǵʰōm; lit. 'earth'),[1][2] or *Pl̥th2éwih2 (PIE: *pl̥th2éwih2, lit. the 'Broad One'),[3][4] is the reconstructed name of the Earth-goddess in the Proto-Indo-European mythology.>The Mother Earth (*Dʰéǵʰōm Méh2tēr) is generally portrayed as the vast (*pl̥th2éwih2) and dark (*dʰengwo-) abode of mortals, the one who bears all things and creatures. She is often paired with Dyēus, the daylight sky and seat of the never-dying and heavenly gods, in a relationship of contrast and union, since the fructifying rains of Dyēus might bring nourishment and prosperity to local communities through formulaic invocations. Dheghom is thus commonly associated in Indo-European traditions with fertility, growth, and death, and is conceived as the origin and final dwelling of human beings.>If the PIE Earth-goddess is reliably reconstructed under the name Dheghom, with *pl̥th2éwih2 being one of her epithets, she was most likely the Earth herself conceived as a divine entity, rather than a goddess of the earth,[5] Proto-Indo-European mythology still relying on a strong animistic substrate.[6]Your ancestors worshiped the same thing don't be ashamed
>>537670297normal humans have free willthe npc, like socialists, are bound to determinism
>>537684420>more cryinglike I said go read a book or watch a philosophical movie or something you syringe rape victim >>537684503 you don't even understand science man. in fact you don't know shit, youre literally a small npc get of your pc man and jump off a building lmao (don't) do it retard (JK) no for real youre useless>>537684424it definetly could be, most probably is. dont talk like that to intelligent insight anon you newfag
>>537684629did you know that gypsys come from pajeets?
>>537684424YesYes they do Think more nigger
>>537684874>more cryingbut all the crying is coming from you.
>>537684973>no uempiricism fundamentally has no basis =) go die (or seek jesus if you refuse to pick up a philosophy book)
>>537684884>Prithvi is the most frequent Vedic word for both the earth and the Earth-goddess;[4][5] and the poetic formula kṣā́m ... pṛthivī́m ('broad earth').[4][6] The name Pṛthivī (Sanskrit: पृथि्वी) has its roots in Proto-Indo-European mythology, originating from the epithet Plt̥h2éwih2, which means "the Broad One." This term highlights the expansive and nurturing nature of the Earth and forms the basis for the Vedic concept of Pṛthivī Mātā, or "Mother Earth."[4]Oh you think your ancestors prayed to the jeet earth deity too?
>>537684326>imageMaybe he thinks your genetic makeup determines you to bitch out at the first sign of pressure or distress
>>537684326Freewill idiots when you ask them if they can will themselves to go to the moon
I don't need to disprove determinism or prove free will. I simply note that my lived subjectivity is the only fact I cannot doubt. In that subjectivity, I experience myself as the author of my choices. Any model that tells me this experience is 'unreal' is asking me to trade a certainty for a speculation. I decline. My freedom is not a hypothesis; it is the irreducible texture of my existence. You are welcome to your external models. I will live in the reality I actually inhabit.
>>537685424>claiming empiricism has no basis while using a digital device built entirely on empirical engineering and physics.looks like jew religions entirely destroyed your brain lmao
>>537685829>your ancestors prayed to the jeet earth deity too?yours did and still do.
>>537683862You suck at this shitskin bro
>>537670297Every possibility is predetermined by physical laws, you have free will within that.
>>537686045Determinist idiots when you ask them if they can doubt their own selves.
>>537687092Nooo I AM A WOMAN I Have a consciousness that’s super mystical
>>537686993>Every possibility is predetermined by physical laws, you have free will within that.In a thought experiment, from the outside from a god's eye view you are completely determined, from the inside, from your own being, you have agency and free will. For me it is a question of perspective. The movie reel is not the same as viewing the movie itself. Within the first person there is choice, but from the outside we could say it is all determined whether we chose the left or the right. We cannot determine our own indeterminacy. We cannot know our own interior experience with empiricism. It is not object-knowledge. It is the event horizon of our understanding and that's why it is the basis of our radical freedom. The moment it is a determined object of knowledge it is not "it"
>>537687591In the world of spirits and ghosts we cannot even know if the actions we take ourselves as simple minded observers are ours.
>>537684369Talking to these brainwashed NPCs is pointless, they shit up every single board
>>537687723Can you deny your own first person experience of deliberation even if you are a schizo and or plagued by the spirits?
>>537670297Except it is not a guess. Have fun being mindless though, I enjoy thinking.
>>537687591Don't need a divine architect to fuss that one out.
>>537688562>Don't need a divine architect to fuss that one out.Yes, I know. I am an atheist. That doesn't mean I am necessarily a materialist.
>>537686257>Technology works, therefore empiricism is completely trueYeah, right.So called empirical physics couldn't and would not exist without abstract mathematics and logic. You are way out of your depth here, kid.Go type into Google "The basis of empiricism has no fundament" and see what the AI summary answers you. Then refresh the page and read the AI summaray again. Repeat. See if there is basically no fundament to your whole worldview, it fundamentally has no basis. Just lost and scared of actually using your God-given rationality in good faith. Pa-the-tic.
>>537670297gay larp faggy wording.Freewill isnt real as your experiences dictate your reactions. freewill can only manifest if you control all your experiences especially what you consume with your eyes and ears.fuck jews.
>>537688828>your definition of "God" is wrong.I'm a rosy cross :)
>>537689165>physics couldn't and would not exist without abstract mathematics and logiclisten brainlet, math is math and reality is the reality.math is not the reality.math is just a derivative of reality. its not the reality itself.>You are way out of your depth here, kid.you clearly are
>>537689270Basically if you turn off your mind you can do anything
>>537689441This guys life is proof of free will, no one would be this stubbornly dumb if not on purpose. I bet you slave some IT job too. Pa-the-tic.
>>537690222I accept your concession.
>>537670297"People" who believe in determinism can't picture an apple in their head.
It's hilarious that most of you think you know the answer.
>>537670297>Therefore everything is informed by this 50/50 guess.--What are the chances that you will meet a dinosaur in the street?-50%.-What?-Well, either I meet him, or I do not meet him.
>>537690638Why yes actually I did see a few birds today
>>537690310Concession of how you think oh so highly of yourself but are actually lower than any worm, with the mentality of a cockroach and the ethos of a pig? Paradigmatically flawed? Less spirited than a zionist jew? In words you may understand: that you have the framework of an intentional parse failure. Yes, I concede.
>>537691035>throws a temper tantrum like a baby because his jew worldview doesnt hold uplmao
>>537689354It's not "God", but I guess we can call it that if you want to play this silly game. Is Spinoza's God the same as your intentional God? Is a hurricane, God? If so, you must abandon the notion of a personal intervening God. If not then your God is an impotent weatherman.
>>537690310>>537691128Most of all you're wrong and I would LOVE to tie you down on a chair and inject you with DMT 1 hour after slapping LSD on your balls and then drown you in salvia smoke and then showing you all the evidence of anomalous phenomena while lecturing you on the paranormal and showing you more of all the research on parapsychology and then injecting you with PCP and see yor little mind break
>>537684326Choice is a default to capitalism, because the system doesn’t work without the facade of personal responsibility and fairness
>>537670297there is no free will; no determinism; everything is fated. its called karma.you have to go through what you need to go through to fulfill your destiny; no way out of here.https://youtu.be/XZ6PVz-r26Y?si=pLFIWj_o5GPRCl3W
>>537691128thats literally your life xDi guess when your jew world view fundamentally has no basis its a big dillemma ¯\_(ツ)_/¯oh well
>>537691395>more seething brainlet copeLOL
Freewill inherently would be contrary to this world. It would mean that most peoe would end up good when we know that is not true. Their wills are tied to their own filthy nature's. I also will that I be a saint that only does what it good well am I fuck no.
>>537691819>your jew world viewbut you are the one with the jew world viewits funny you got that mixed up.you literally think math = reality, thats how dumb you are and thats basically what the mainstream jew science believes.you also worship some jewish rabbi.>big dillemmayes, for you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>537691850shhhh its okay lil guy we know that you know
>>537691938don't taalk about reality you wouldn't be able to define it except for whats in front of your nose bahahahahaand even then on the most pathetic surface level, less cognitive than a FISH lolol
>>537692073you are literally stuck in a cycle of repetitive, low-IQ outbursts.
>>537691258Both and neither.At some level of awareness between 1 & ∞
>>537692175nice assesment (nvm that its actually a low IQ outburst and youre projecting again for like the 11th time this thread) , to bad it ain't worth shit lel because you believe in nothing xaxaxxaxax oh wait no you belive in seeing the monitor lighting up showing these words written to you that youre a NIGGER lol immagine actually being unable to act truthfully because you can't even, fuken top kekaroo
>>537692555funny meltdown
>>537693158npc
>>537693221but thats you
>>537693254hahahahahahaha 3 letters to OWN your ass bahahaha anyway yikes cope and dilate mr empiricist
>>537693464I'm looking forward to your next chimpout!
