>be spanish wagie>half your wage is deducted every month by socialist regime>blame greedy boss for the low pay>building a home requires license, permits, high taxes, and impossible paperwork for socialist regime>rent is through the roof, landlord still wont do repairs, pay up or landlord finds a new tenant in a day>hate le ebil capitalism for it>be poor so look into payday loans>3000% annual interest rate>i dont know what that means, but i'll take it, just give money now!>becomes poorerKek we're so fucking pathetic
>>537704947At least Spain is trad and not filled with niggers
>>537705052>Spain is trad
>>537704947wew lad I'm pretty sure you can't find such an abhorrent interest rate in mexico lmao
>>537704947Usury is illegal and you can recover those abusive interests, but a lawyer also costs money. Too bad, wagie.
>>537705052Bro what the fuck are you talking about, only France is more niggerfied than them.
>>537705200Spain niggerfied France after the civil war.
>>537705255spanish immigrants never caused rape waves or stabbings idiot, we are socialist, low IQ monkeys, who are somehow not as poor as we deserve to be, but not like africans
>>537705052Huh? Our women are among the worst, the vast majority claim to be feminists. Nobody is having kids.Even if we don't have a lot of niggers we still have a lot of latinos and moros (i'd say it's about 30% of the population by now, in some cities already 50%), which in some cases are arguably worse.
>>537704947Why are you posting a fake pic, that's not your salary page
>>537705328that's the loan terms you fucking idiotsince you don't even know that, i guess you understanding my point about how people blame the wrong thing for their problems, is like explaining the blockchain to a dog
>>537704947Every single socialist and commie is too stupid to understand most of their "evil capitalist" talking points are direct result of socialist policies.Even migration and cheap work labour is not due to "greedy capitalists", it is due to retirement plans needing workforce and taxpayers. And the low paid wagies are the biggest tax paying group who cannot optimize and will always pay taxes. If government did not want these migrant taxpayers they would not allow them in. But they do. And it is socialist and centrally steered market problem, not capitalist one.
>>537705456high IQ
>>537704947You'd probably prefer turkey where buildings just fall on you
>>537705523kek why would i prefer that
>>537704947any right wing parties in spain and so if, do you think they'll ever have a chance of winning like AD or Restore yookay?
>>537704947For 3000% you should just have them killed. Law here prohibits 35% which is already ridiculous when it should be 0%. Fortunately kikes always charge more than 35%. Unfortunately people are retards and will make excuses about well it's not 'really' more than 35% they are just calculating smaller amounts over and over. Anyone could have their loans dismissed by courts.
>>537705799The far right is growing fast, like in most of europe. Most NPCs still keep alternating between the big 2 left/right that are the same kek.One day the far right will rule but they'll still be very mild, and change very little, because they are just professionals at doing speeches and getting votes.
>>537706437We had "far right" government for the last 8 years. These people are ar worse than leftwigners. They will do every single shit leftwing did, but tell you they did not do it. It is all there is to these rightwingers.Polish rightwingers won election on antimigration. And they are the ones who poured the most jeets and niggers into poland, because they sold illegal visas to them just to get some more money.They have people who earn 8kEuro/month who will still steal 100Euro when they can. But they go to church so their voting base claims they are not thieves but "misguided". We even have altright and far right people in politics right now who never ruled as government but they are already corrupted more than most of the leftwingers.Every single rightwing government in the world ended up with shitting up economy and going hard for oligarchy with them on top. See Turkey, Israel with Netanyahu, USA with Trump. If you think rightwingers will change anything and not make things far worse then you are deluded.Rightwing and leftwing is a choice between corrupted idiots, hypocrites and liars and between idiots and hypocrites who are also liars.
>>537705296Looks like islamists Madrid bombing has been successfully memory holed there.
>>537705799There's no genuine anti-immigration party in Spain. They're all openly in favour of turning the country into a Latrino shithole.
>>537704947Same here>Make $6,000/mth>Taxes are $2,000/mth >$4k/mth actual takehome>Rent is $1800 for a box>Now $2200/mth left over Everything I buy also has a 14% base tax on it because they need to steal the income at the source then steal it when you try using it. For things like wine or beer thats another 10% so 24% tax. For gas it's insane like half the price is taxes.We constantly have no money for any functioning services yet magically can afford to host FIFA and spend billions on security costs.
Spain's only saving grace is that the vast majority of women aren't fat.
>>5377049473000% interest per year ?! that sounds illegal...
>>537705296but you have good beaches and weather
>>5377049472026 the fucking goyim are still paying the peasant tax worldwide. unreal this has been going on for hundreds even thousands of years and all goyim are like yes massa i must pay my way to be allowed to exist
>>537705052Do you faggots even use your brain? Europe has had the flood gates open for like 20 years my retarded friend.
>>537706949?? i mean spanish people in other countries
>>537705052>He doesn't knowYeah, as trad as a purple haired hairy armpit nigger loving california chick
>>537705296He's right that a lot of commie fled to France and milited for communism.Now it's our fault for not killing them.
>>537706949still unclear if they were, maybe they were the ones that planted the bombs, but most likely not an islamist attack>>537705296retard, a 16 year old kid was just killed in barcelona, just because the media said that it wasnt a terrorist attack it doesnt mean it wasnt, its just propaganda for subhuman, which you are and thats why you are unaware
>>537708882i mean, a war was fought to liberate Spain from them for a reason
>>537709034>retard, a 16 year old kid was just killed in barcelona, just because the media said that it wasnt a terrorist attack it doesnt mean it wasnt, its just propaganda for subhuman, which you are and thats why you are unawareestoy hablando de los inmigrantes españoles, es decir, españoles en otros paises, esos no crean oleadas de violaciones ni apuñalamientosse perfectamente lo que hacen los moros
>>537709120he is a retard, dont reply, most of the spaniards that went to frasnce during the civil war went right back
>>537709053Yeah that's why I say it can't be blamed on Spain. They were parked in camps, locals hated them but our gov gave them a statut, they went in a lot of political positions, some are still there doing jack shit "working" for the "region", continue to offer help to natutalise niggers and all.
I would rather sell all my possessions on wallapop and sleep under a bush in the park than loan money. I can't even imagine the the mental state that would cause someone to get into debt. It's as degenerate as gambling and doing heroin.
>>537708882nah he is not, he is talking about the varg post, which is incorrect, most of them went back as soon as the war was over, it had no significant effect on frances demographicswhat you are talking about is other thing, of course the ones that stayed were politicaly active commies that would face trial if ever went back
>>537704947maybe franco should've ruled better and had some kind of succession plan?
>>537709459Varg is a retard. Im not sure he even bothered to learn French. He is a crypto commie, don't underestimate this neo-pagan menace. They will sell our people to foreigners just like commies if they get the opportunity.
>>537705052Hahahaha top bait, good bants lad.
>>537706437Abascal is kosher-right you fucking Jew. Was never far-right, never will be. You're asking for another Milei, another Sheinbaum, another Trump to open the country's anus wide for the West's greatest ally.
>>537705456who even are the evil capitalists in spain? i cant think of one spanish company. also, are canadian brands like lululemon popular in spain?
>>537710485why do spaniards believe in the wing war when they are really just in a sectarian fight for political power? you notice in sane multiracial countries like lebanon each ethnic group just fights for power and scams each other and nobody believes in the wing war.
>>537704947maybe you should try to resurrect general Franco or create fascist movement instead of complainig on stupid website run by filthy pajeets, jews and other shitskins?
>>537705456Your argument inverts reality. Capitalism requires a reserve army of labour to suppress wages. migration fills that role by design, not because of state pension math. The state manages capitalism’s contradictions, but doesn’t create them. Low wages aren't a 'socialist' tax fix; they're profit-maximization under capital, with the state stepping in only to subsidize capital’s costs (healthcare, housing) when wages fall short. Blaming socialism for capital's internal crises is like blaming the fire department for the arsonist's blaze.
>>537711582why does capitalism need cheap labour when what matters is the quality of the labour? if cheap labour is all that matters, why are we using google instead of a british website and why are we using apple instead of british phones? and why can't you use cheap labour to create global car brands?in economics countries talk about moving up the value chain by creating more high value labor by creating more sophisticated value added products. how does cheap labour fit into that?
>>537705052>Completely open border>All illegals were granted citizenship>Loud obnoxious women with a loud obnoxious language>Trad
>>537706602nie pisz glupot lewacki tuskozjebie.sami glosowaliscie na tuska pojeby to teraz bedziecie miec czarnuchow i wstretnych zjebow z indii na kazdej ulicy.ja nie glosowalem na zadnego z nich bo jestem faszysta. Ave Christus Rex , tuskozjeby!po co glosowac na patologie demokracji skoro jest to samo, wy skurwysyny i debile kurwy i kretyny glosujecie zawsze albo na pis albo na tuska to wypierdalajcie kupcie se teraz noze albo broncie sie sztachetami od plotow pojeby i wielbiciele posrane zydow i uni europejskiej
>>537711714>why does capitalism need cheap labour when what matters is the quality of the labour? if cheap labour is all that matters, why are we using google instead of a british website and why are we using apple instead of british phones? and why can't you use cheap labour to create global car brands?This is the most retarded thing i've read all year>CanuckAh
>>537710485Y yo que he dicho? Acabo de decir que son profesionales de hablar a las masas para conseguir votos, nada más, y no servirían de nada en el poder.De los que has dicho, Milei es la excepción. Las políticas de Milei son literalmente lo que necesitan España y toda Europa. Pero no lo vas a ver por la tontería de "los judíos".
>>537710895Mainly landlords and grocery stores. Because that's where people see the prices.Most people in Spain are low IQ monkeys, they see big number in price tag in grocery store, they get angry at the price tag, they don't know how money printing is related.People try to explain the simplest thing about economics on twitter for them: how supply and demand decide prices. If they understood that, they could know how something works. Some right wing people who are into economics keep trying to explain it to them, in incredibly simple terms without jargon. But they don't understand, they think it's a lie because it's too complicated, and a superstition that's not real.
>>537711767answer the question. if cheap labour is all that is required to make competitive companies:why are we not using dutch cellphones, dutch cars, dutch operating systems, and dutch search engines? why are we not using dutch AI?if capitalists want cheap labour to make their companies competitive, why don't dutch make an immigration policy that brings in cheap labour so they can have competitive global brands?
>>537711525I do what I want you fucking idiot, writing is important, and communication is important for ideologies. You're just like the people who believe that the internet is bad because it gives random people a voice vs just mainstream media.
>>537711917i still dont understand if you simply need grocery store workers why you don't just offer working holidays for people in other eurozone countries that want to live in spain for a few years and are happy to work in a grocery store. there's a swedish woman that works in the grocery store near my house.
>>537711721True. Retards haven't even got an idea that PO and PiS are secretly butt buddies (obviously). How do you explain Zbigniew Ziobro and Marcin Romanowski not getting extradited immediately? PO and PiS are just covering for each others scandals.
>>537711582Low IQ take, capitalism doesn't mean the government imposing anything that there's a profit motive for, if things worked by your logic, then the government would impose a 100% tax on everything, just have armed men take everythnig from everyone, and work at gunpoint, and that would be capitalism according to you, because "they do that for profit". Idiot.In reality capitalism is, in principle. free trade with no coercion, with the state having the monopoly on violence to enforce non aggression and private property, and the people running businesses for profit obviously not being able to enforce laws to their favor.You don't even know what capitalism is, do you think high taxes are capitalism because they tax people for money? KekRegarding immigration, its not even as bad as you think, if people could freely build homes, have freedom of association, and not live under an anarcho tyranny, immigration wouldn't cause the problems that it does. Let alone in Spain, with latin american immigrants who share our culture and values.I don't know if a shortage of labor would be good for workers. Because prices would also be higher for obvious reasons.
>>537711921Quality labour is expensive.Outsourcing quality labour is generally cheaper than local production.You can make everything domesitcally but due to labour costs you gotta skimp on materials or risk making your product unaffordable.Because in the end you want to sell it.Ok let's use expensive quality labour. But cheap materials. End product is shit. Market thinks it's shit and they won't buy it. You lose.>Let's import one billion cheap foreigners thenYeah because housing is free, energy is free, and you can just turn the entire country into highrise apartment buildings.Take an economy class then come back and i'm not talking about a flight.
>>537711978because the government is desperate for taxpayers in order to pay public pensions. they never made any investments with the retirement fund taxes, they always just spent it on bullshit, planning to just tax young people to pay for old people's pensions, forever. now with low birth rates that's a massive problem.
>>537704947You seem okay Spaniard. Come join us
>>537712196i have a hard time understanding what the dutch position is in the global value chain. import subhumans and export high value chain jobs. do you really think subhumans are going to do the intellectual labour at home that those oursourced jobs depend on? hint: they dont, and that's why we're not using dutch computers, phones, operating systems, etc. can anyone here name one dutch company?
>>537712212this is something good about canada. our pension funds are extremely well managed. my mom has multiple pensions and went on over 70 vacations in her first few years of retirement.
>>537712371Ok you really have no idea lmaoBye
>>537712457why cope and seethe rather than answering my questions?
> right-left brainlet threadfuck america
>>537712415whiter genetics mean that, despite there still being political corruption obviously (eg Germany is also a dump, Canada still has problems etc), things will be generally better managed. in Spain we are monkeys kek
>>537704947>>half your wage is deducted every month by socialist regimeYou also have VATs so it's actually 60% total tax rate.
>>537712633europeans not being able to figure this stuff out is why they lose to jews so easily. jews: here's the wing war siders: its right wing nazis and left siders are shitskinsgoyim: okjews: here's your right wing nazi. he's going to deport shitskinsgoyim: ok, lets vote for himjews to their right wing candidate they funded: give visas to more shitskins plsgoyim: what? why are there so many somalis now in polandjew: BWAHAHAHAHAHA.....goyim are truly politically retarded. goyim should have done what chinese did and called themselves a civilization state and said that only they can be members of their nation. lmao.
>>537704947Glad we outlawed loan sharks. It was the most antisemitic law we passed.
Is there a single party that won't end up bending the knee to the US and the EU? The Spanish right is next level cringe and the Spanish left is getting scandal after scandal and fuckup after fuckup. The only thing they're doing right is international politics for some reason.
>>537712985if you haven't figured by now you have to actually make the party and ensure they do what you want. if its impossible you need an entirely new political system where loyalty is enforced harshly (like in china's system where traitors are executed)
>>537712724no no, hold onplease note that, what im going to explain right now, for most people, is like explaining the blockchain to a dog (i have very limited knowledge of economics actually, but most people are retarded), so i typically avoid commenting anything complicated. but since you have the ancap flag i think you may be different.when i say half of the wage is deducted, i also mean the taxes the company pays for hiring a wagie, that technically, the wagie doesn't pay.however, the worker's wage is derived from competition between companies for labor, based on what they can afford to pay a worker and still make a profit (businesses that cant make a big profit from a worker, cant afford to hire, because others can pay more). when a company hires a worker, the fact is, part of what they pay for the worker is taken by the regime, it doesnt matter if they call it "the worker pays for his income" or "the company pays for hiring him", the fact is, the business pays for the worker but it does not go to the worker.then the worker goes to buy groceries or whatever, and there's a VAT. but i wouldnt count that, because the amount people will pay for a commodity like food or gas, based on the current supply vs demand, is the same with or without tax, as price is set by competition between people who pay for it.1/2 i will continue in another comment with the conclusion
>>537712724>>537713275obviously, sales tax is still bad for the worker, because the tax means money goes to the government instead of the seller. if less money goes to the seller, this will cause lower supply, which results in a higher price.but the thing is, here, transactions are taxed twice: your employer pays a tax for hiring you and then you pay a tax for your income. you pay a tax for buying something and then the seller pays a tax for the profitso in terms of what's taken from a worker, we can either count all of what's taken from what the employer pays for him (about half in total), or everything that he technically pays (income tax and sales tax, still about half in total), but if you count taxes on both sides of what's paid to him, and then his side of the tax on what he spends, then its not really accurate
>>537705560Because of course, if you don't want a million redtapes and pay up a thousand useless bureaucrats for fake needless permits, then obviously your house will fall on you and kill everyone in a 50km radius as if it were a nuclear bomb. Didn't you know?What? Did you think all that redtape was just to keep people as rentslaves? What are you, some sort of nazi who wants his own house instead of paying rent or usury to jews? Fucking NAZI.
>>537711784Kissing the wall and getting out all the gold in the country is what Europe needs?Vete a pellizcar cristales, anda.
I'll be leaving this hopeless shithole (and the entire EU) for good in a few months.There's no hope and no future here no matter what you do.
>>537714275lo que españa necesita es ser menos MISERABLE. pagar menos impuestos, y pagar menos por la vivienda, es decir, tener mas vivienda disponiblenecesitamos ser menos patéticos y miserables, y para eso, lo que Milei predica y lo que Milei está haciendo, funciona
>>537714357based
>>537704947Thats a loanshark agreement with interest of 30x
>>537704947The 3000% annual interest rate that was promised 3000 years ago
>>537704947Who pays that settlements is retarded. Just dont pay and the jugde will only oblige to pay the principal if even...
>>537705309You should've capped LATAM migration to countries only recently in the empire. That would've reduced like 99% of the intake received. I have a Spanish father and a Cuban mother, which if we're being honest is still very much a Spaniard herself at least in physical appearances. You lot should've known that indigenous trash will lie and claim to be Iberian just simply for the opportunity to leave their violent hell scapes.
>>537714673so a jew
>>537704947That's the situation in most of the western world right now, anon. Spain isn't alone. Canada I know is just as bad.
>>53770494733.46% is on par with American taxes if yo earn a decent wage btw>>half your wage is deducted every month by socialist regimelike any 1st-World country>>building a home requires license, permits, high taxes, and impossible paperwork for socialist regimesame for any 1st-World country now>>rent is through the roof, landlord still wont do repairs, pay up or landlord finds a new tenant in a daySpain doesn't have laws protecting renters? doubt
>>537710895>i cant think of one spanish companySantander, Puig, Telefonica
