Is there even a more goycattle behavior imaginable than defending billion dollar industries with all your might so you can pretend everything is fine until you eventually die of a heatstroke while your future children inhabit a barren world where plants, animals and water are luxuries?
>>537780146You actually fell for the climate scam? Kek
>>537780146you are a dumb niggerthe heat didn't kill everyone during the roman period why would it kill everyone today?
>>537780146being more efficient is for TRANNIES and LEFTITSS
>>537780146The most effective way to stop climate change is an indigenous European ethnoworld. We can start by eliminating the population of India.
More shills spamming muh climate change garbage. This is like the tenth one I've seen today. How much are you guys getting paid to subvert your people? Or are you all bots?
if it is real then jeets are to blame, they are a cancer spreading extreme pollution wherever they go
>>537780358>>537780595https://globalcryospherewatch.org/interesting-events/opening-of-the-northwest-passage-in-2022/
>>537780768>the earth is getting slightly warmer, quick, it must be because of productive industry. let's install globohomo communism asap before we all die
If you care so much about the climate/environment, sanction India.It's just an excuse for the elites to control us even more
>>537782979>climate change is actually happening>listen to my schizo conspiracy theory about globo homosexuals taking over the world.
>>537783300couldn't even begin to describe how little i care for your green faggotry. kill yourself canuck, the highest moral act in our death cult. even better than killing capitalists!
>>537780146>die of heatstroke Sorry I don't live in europe or the 3rd world. We figured out how AC worked last century. Maybe you eurocucks will someday.
>>537780146Climate change isn't real and the boiling frog analogy does not hold water; when the frog gets too hot it leaves the pot in any and all tests done. Frogs are not retarded, they understand temperature.
>>537780146>it gets hot in the summer>germoids cannot comprehend this
>>537780358Germany is full of ultra goyim
>>537780146Get rid of the shitskins and i might care.
Oceans are green not blue, sky is white grey, corals all dead.The sheep's are still regurgitating lobby fake propaganda by BP and shell from the 90ies...Unpaid shillsChevron and Halliburton don't need to lobby at all that's how brainwashed they all are.
>>537780146The very people that spearhead the bitching about "climate change" are the ones putting in datacenters that use as much energy as 5 million homes. Let me guess, more tax dollars given to the datacenter freaks will somehow fix the climate?
>>537780146Oh, there are a few. Letting millions of military-aged africans and arabs invade your country. Covering rape gangs, and sometimes encouraging them, in order to not look racist.Letting a manlet dictate what people can and cannot do with their lives, on top of forcibly inoculating them with experimental poison.Letting a bitch in Brussels dictate your country's monetary policy.I could go on.
Coastlines haven't risen since before the industrial revolution
>>537780146It's not global warming and it's not climate change.It's a heat dome.With the Atlantic wind coming over in a few days, we'll have temperatures of 21°C which are actually below the average.
>>537780146how fucking stupid can someone possibly be to accept the climate change narrative leftists are fucking programmed retards that are a legitimate threat to peace and prosperity everywhere
>>537783360>I'd rather make up some grand narrative about liberals wanting to control us through green initiatives than point out the giant oil company's frothing at the mouth over the legendary northwest passage finally opening up to drop billion dollar drill bits into the ocean floor for money profits.
>>537780146Emergent countries like China have been calling it a scam, not oligarchs. It's because your country or mine produce virtually nothing, except for buziwork, so they couldn't give two shits about it.China however was explained that it had a powerful industry therefore warmed the globe therefore had to pay fees. But do not worry because China and others could buy "global warming quota" from the Western world. See: yes it's a matter of life and death for everyone on Earth but hey you can buy a pass from us, no big deal.How do you even want to keep arguing about the validity of it when it's the premise of the debate?
The problem is that too many services and commodities are available for the common man. If Gianni Infantino and Taylor Swift eat a gold-coated steak in their private jets, the planet won't notice; however if we have several billions of people taking planes, driving cars, eating meat, using plastic and buying new clothes every season, the whole ecosystem is in danger. The 99% are the problem, not the 1%.Go back to feudalism and the planet will heal. Let a small minority of very rich people be the only ones with access to all those modernities while the rest lead a vegan lifestyle and are forced not to pollute. Won't you sacrifice yourself for Mother Earth anon?
Sooo are the chemtrails causing a greenhouse effect ? It is a possibility.
>>537784883Chems or not, the primary element in the exhaust of jet engines is water vapour, and water vapour is by far the most abundant and most potent greenhouse gas.
>>537784624>Emergent countries like China have been calling it a scam, not oligarchs.But that's wrong, you fucking retard.https://english.cas.cn/print/index.shtml?docurl=https://english.cas.cn/newsroom/cas-in-media/202601/t20260119_1145825.shtml
>>537780146>climate change is real>it is man made>it must be stopped>we have to import 10,000,000 niggers and jeets to grow the economySee the disconnect there, m8?
>>537783300>globohomo>global homosexualsno they mean global menthey're the globogyno double psyop division
Measuring that temperature is rising on average is such an easy thing that has been done, verified and reviewed numerous times. Denying climate change because of political reasons is the most retarded thing you can do and just proves you are ideologically subverted.
>>537780146Caring about the weather is goycattle behavior.
>>537780146Climate change will be over come October.Stupid fucking german.
>>537780146Congrats you figured that the earth has seasons and temperature is not a fixed number but a variable based on angle and rotation of both the sun moon and earth. What you have failed to keep up with is the fact that smarter people than you have made you afraid of this process to extract wealth from you without you knowing. I guess ignorance is bliss.
>>537784066Take a guess who mainly finances wind energy
>>537783604So when it gets too hot in France what will the frogs do?
>>537785522I bet you thought you were really smart and contrarian typing that
>>537785522>Congrats you figured that the earth has seasons and temperature is not a fixed number but a variable based on angle and rotation of both the sun moon and earth. Explain how this leads to the planet continually getting hotter year after year you dumb fuck
>>537780146I maintain, jews using the German flag is just next level malicious.
>>537780146Probably you are confused. I understand... Let me explain it to you.The problem with climate change is not that it doesn't happen but the fact that they try to push it as manmade. In reality there's much happening in planetary and even solar system level that humans barely affect shit at all..Earth is going through temperature circles constantly.
>>537785839Explain to the folks at home how the data is conceived for pre modern temperature data. Roughly any temperature data prior to 1850.
>>537785522Ironic. The fossil fuel industry spent billions of dollars producing sophisticated anti-science propaganda, but, in reality, the majority of their target audience is content with something simple like "it's the seasons"!
>>537785965>In reality there's much happening in planetary and even solar system level that humans barely affect shit at all.What exactly is happening?
>>537785935The hottest summer I experienced was in 1997. Sorry that your hottest summer was more recent.
>>537780146You could cover the entire earth in 3m of microplastic like a giant blanket and the earth would cycle through it, humans arent doing shit.
>>537780146So how do you faggots explain NYC being under a 100 feet of ice 400,000 years ago?
>>537786053Well its hard to measure but you can still get rough estimates.Fact is that right now temperatures are statistically rising
>>537780146it's too bad its so cheap easy and effective to regulate global temperature with aerosols in the upper atmosphere, even a billionaire could do it on their own, and yet the goycattle and proles think there is nothing we can do about it, and the environmentalists have spent 50 years protesting the best solution there is - nuclear
>>537780146Countries all over the world are experiencing consistent, 'crazy' weather, or other environmental events that they don't have the infrastructure for, but if you try to tackle the issue, you piss of a specific subset of your country that believes this is all fine, and a difference of a few degrees is nothing. These people are idiots who don't understand the world around them, and don't want to. Temperature and humidity are some of he biggest factors in where and what we grow for our food, and a 'few' warmer, or colder, days a year can fuck with a lot.
>>537780146>Looks out the window>Sees green grass and trees>Temp is a comfy 77°If climate change is real, I'm not seeing it.
>>537780146>your future childrenanon... I...
>>537780146>not denying climate change in [current year]gay
>>537785431The climate is based entirely on the sun and mountainous regions. There's not a single goddamned thing you or anyone can do to change the earth 1 degree in either direction. If you think that man can change it, you're a fucking fool.
>>537786115>fossil fuelThere's no such thing. No fossils ever made any kind of fuel. That's a jewish lie.
>>537787464Maybe next time you could list all your retarded conspiracy theories in one post instead of posting them one by one?
romans used to grow grapes in england optimal temp is 25-30c its 25 to 30c here and everyone is losing their minds about how warm it is and its climate change
>>537787560Name the process in which a single fossil ever produced even a single drop of fuel.
>>537780146limate change is caused by niggers and by radioactivity and jewish geoengineering, its not CO2. why do you then worship niggers and nuclear powerplants? and collect punitive tax off people for emitting CO2. why banning plastic straws? why do you geoengineer the climate? because youre traitors, you actually want climate change because youre a jews and nigger.
>>537787390Denying climate change when it’s confirmed by science, such as the greenhouse effect that carbon emissions /atmospheric gases trap heat from the son in the atmosphere is low IQ. It’s just like denying evolution or the theory of gravity. I bet you still believe we all came from Adam and Eve, despite the Habsburg monarchy having too many genetic defects/diseases and being unable to breed because of generations of incest.
>>537780146>super el nino event was known since last year>shit that happens roughly every decade >only difference to past events is the currently weak westwind >causing it to build up and lasting longer than usually>instead of preparing for it nothing was done>massive storms will follow like always after a high pressure event>again nothing will be done to prepare for it>again the disasters will be attributed to muh climate crises of whatever it's fucking called nowI'm just so fucking tired, boss.
>>537787989Most volcanoes put out more "greenhouse gas" than all of humanity. If "greenhouse gas" had any effect on the global weather, then you'll need to explain why the hundreds upon hundreds of eruptions every year hasn't already extinct the planet already. You're a fucking fool if you believe the jews and their lies.
>>537780146>1pbtid
>>537788293>Most volcanoes put out more "greenhouse gas" than all of humanityFor fucks sake, this guy is really going to pull out all the "oldies but goldies", eh?https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/which-emits-more-carbon-dioxide-volcanoes-or-human-activities
>>537788230>again nothing will be done to prepare for itWhat are they supposed to do, pay another tax to jews?
>>537788494>revisionist history(((they))) already gave us numbers on eruption gas back in the 80's that surpass the entire human industrialization for decades to come. Now with doctored numbers you spew your jew lies. Man does not cause climate change, and neither does volcanoes, because that's all bullshit. Go buy an AC you jew faggot and shut the fuck up with your jewish lies.
>>537788736>(((they))) already gave us numbers on eruption gas back in the 80's that surpass the entire human industrialization for decades to come.What numbers. Show them.
>>537788972They never can. For them temperaturse dont rise on average and if they do its natural changes.They made up their mind a priori
>>537789100Either go buy an AC or die from a heat stroke. Seriously. "climate change" only affect you every single year for the last 30 years, because you're a cuck faggot. Your cuckold cries are getting really old. >>537788972Fuck off, jew. I'm not going to entertain you any further. I hope a random nigger immigrant kills you.
>>537789355>I'm not going to entertain you any further.You have nothing
>>537789355>Doesnt actually address the fact that temperature is in fact rising on average
>>537780358it's being pushed every waking second, so normalcattle gets brain fried by it
>>537780146The vast majority of pollution comes from the third world. Bring this up to any shitlib trying to import jeets into goymany and they'll shit and pass their knickers. Of course we could just nuke India, Pakistan and browns though - the ultimate solution
>>537783300>climate change is actually happening>listen to my schizo conspiracy theory about co2 doing things it has no physical capacity to do
Ocean levels still aren't rising
>>537790005Its not about pollution its about CO2 and other greenhouse gasses.If you nuke india there will still be way too much>>537790008The interactions of CO2 with radiation are very well studied
>>537780146why do you want to preserve the planet for the muslim invaders who genocided you?
>>537785935>Explain how this leads to the planet continually getting hotter year after year you dumb fuckit doesntthe planet continually getting hotter year after year and every next year is the hottest evah is scientific fraud and data manipulation and nothing else
>>537790260Wrong
>>537787989>confirmed by sciencedata manipulation is not science, it is politicsreminder that this is a political argument and not a scientific one
>>537780146Imagine believing in the "global warming/climate change/climate crisis" in 2026. Dob't ever go full retard, son.
>>537790008>co2 doing things it has no physical capacity to doWe can literally observe the atmospheric absorption spectra from space, you braindead imbecile
>>537788494>its just corrections, chud>its totally not fraudulent political manipulations
>>537780146>heatstrokeOnly kills old people which is based>childrenKekekekeke
>>537780146Climate change is going to be pure kino. I will finally be able to move to Maine, which would be the greatest state in the union were it not for the miserable winters.
>>537790005>The vast majority of pollution comes from the third world.not even on topic, as co2 is not pollution except in concentrations that are multiple exponents of what we haveif anything, co2 detracts from real environmental efforts
>>537790182>The interactions of CO2 with radiation are very well studieddo you even know what an asymptote is or what it implies?
>>537789804No it's not. You're just regurgitating more jewish lies. And no, I'm not going to prove it because you can suck off a shotgun for all I care.
>>537790363no uthe hypothesis has failed and was never even close to provenmanipulating models to say what your predetermined conclusion states is fraud, not science
>>537790260>>537790466Ah, now we get the "the world's scientific community has been lying to us for decades". Anything else?
>>537790453stfu u eurocuck
>>537780146Climate change is just another anti western propaganda tool.If you wanted to fix "climate change" as stated you would wipe out China and India.
>>537790523What do you think is keeping the niggers out of there, dumbass? Africans are built for Africa, thus the cold is the solution.
>>537790453reminder that the absorption is logand its at the top of the log curve where each additional increment adds an increasingly infinitesimal amountthe threshold where it becomes all but statistically insignificant is 400ppm
>>537790594Yes and now tell me when a logarithmic, steadily rising function reaches its asymptote.Just because a system behaves nonlinearily we do not have magically reached the point where any addition of further CO2 will not increase the temperature in a meaningful way.In fact all modern numerical atmospheric climate simulations will take the logarithmic absorption per concentration function into account and will still come to the conclusion that net energy intake of the earth rises in a meaningful way
>>537784318First of all, we have ports on the west side of Canada and highways that connect them. Who gives a shit about the northwest passage at this point. Two, the ice caps are thicker now than at any point on record for atleast 50 years. You lose. Scam over.
>>537790628I bet you feel really tough writing this kek
>>537790645>"the world's scientific community"you spelled >a handful of bought and paid for teachers that could not find jobs in the real world and went to academia to write grants so as to put food on their tables wrongalgore was telling us the debate was over and the science was settled in 1999, dumbassit was never true for a moment
>>537780595What about extraterrestrials?
>>537790850No, I've just got fatigue from your stupid nigger jewness
>>537780146Climate change is a schizo conspiracy theory There are just too many browns on this planet
>>537791013>a handfulIts an intensely studied field by a shitton of (often not very well paid) people who all come to roughly similar conclusions
>>537790776Oh, so now we've gone from "Co2 cannot physically absorb radiation" to "the effect magically flattens at 400 ppm". Well, guess what, it doesn't (see Venus, for example)
>>537791078>nigger nigger jew (picture from decades ago)You are either 12 or 50. Either way its telling that this board reacts with vitriol to reasonably stated facts
>>537790788>Just because a system behaves nonlinearily we do not have magically reached the point where any addition of further CO2 will not increase the temperature in a meaningful way.distorted from the getgo because TSI is not totalthe TSI gap was the initial effort to create a gap in the equations to make more room to inflate the GHG coefficient>but the magnetic field means nothing, it does the tiniest amountits literally our shield against the sun and downplaying it just shows further that you are a zealot who cares about pushing a meme instead of using the scientific method to arrive at a reasonable conclusion
>>537791013Did you not claim that the temperature records are fake? Do you have any idea how many people are involved that? There's weather stations, satellites, ship measurements... all over the globe. And all of them have to be in on it. It's so funny, you don't even understand your own conspiracy theory.
>>537791127>(often not very well paid)like all globohomo areasyou get a few top dogs that are paid well, and the rest believe harder and harder to try and get some of that gravy
>>537791150>oh here let me make some shit up about what you said>and what the fuck is an asymptote, I have no idea what it implies
climate changesjust not cuz of man
Did Europe set their expectations in 1816? The year without a summer? Before that yeat, they just rolled with it?In 1816, they said "this is the goal," and then just stayed confused for 210 years, before it never happened again?"This is insane, there isn't suppse to be a summer between May and September! There wasn't, that one time!"
>>537791150>(see Venus, for example)this is more or less admitting you've lost the argument, Venus is ~140F where the pressure = 1atmreminder that increasing pressure increases temperature and the 96 bar of pressure at the surface is the reason why it is so hot
>>537791304>There's weather stations, satellites, ship measurementsyeah some fag from england gave me a chart yesterday and then stopped replying once I started pointing out that hey this measurement here is on airport tarmac, this measurement here is on a fucking roof, etcAnthony Watts blew this out the water a long long time ago and climatetards just said>nah these measurements are fine
>>537780574>>537783892I am interested in talking logistics.
>>537791332No, the rest are doctorate students just doing research.Did you ever set foot into a university?
>>537780146I live on the coast. People have warned of sea level rise my entire life. Over 40 years the water has risen about 2-3 inches. Not even close to the 2-3 METERS they predicted.
>>537780146earth doesnt have a static climatewhat you are experiencing now is childs play compared to what peak of interglacial period looks liketo think you can fight against it by becoming gay and retarded shows that you are clueless about the world you live in and to be honest you should kill yourself to spare us, and everyone around you, your retardation
>>537791706Because these predictions were always retarded and not backed by any actual model.Even in the worst case sea level rising will be extremely slow
>>537780146I stopped arguing about warming and started arguing about ocean acidification. Seems to work on reasonable people who hate the climate scam.
>>537791628>Did you ever set foot into a university?oh I very much understand the groupthink that goes on
>>537780146>>537780146>climate - the meteorological conditions, including temperature, precipitation, and wind, that characteristically prevail in a particular region. Using the term climate change is extremely broad. What has changed exactly, and by how much?
>>537790008>It's just a coincidence that ticks and other southern or central hemisphere insects are migrating north. >the permafrost in Siberia isn't thawing at a rapid rate.>let me continue to tell you about my take on how c02 can't warm up the earth.
>>537780146>my farts burn up the planetthe absolute state of goytardsthe more i watch goytards the more i udnerstand jewsdo you know that the issue is here?jewdemons only give us what we ask fortake any demonic industry they are involved inthey only give out what dumb people willingly buy
>>537791880So. Did you?
>>537780146Nobody has ever denied climate change. What we are denying is your claim of human culpability. Which, mind you, half of all climate scientists who have made an actual statement on the topic do too.
>>537792092You talk like a mentally disabled person
>>537780595bingofantastic referenceeat more shit goyim, you're making the planet burneat your bugs
>>537780146HAARP. Not climate change. 1/5
>>537792029>>It's just a coincidence that ticks and other southern or central hemisphere insects are migrating north.Yes. Species have never migrated in history until now. Its such an uncommon phenomenon it cant possible happe-nevermind. >>the permafrost in Siberia isn't thawing at a rapid rate.Its not>>let me continue to tell you about my take on how c02 can't warm up the earth.Let me continue you to tell you that you dont care about science, never have, and never will. Also, that youre a dumb nigger that shouldn't be allowed to vote.
>>537780146>>537792263HAARP. Not climate change. 2/5
>>537791465>Venus is ~140F where the pressure = 1atmYeah, right, what you "forgot" to mention is that Venus at 1atm is at around 50 km up, which is where on Earth the temp is already below 0C. It's obvious that you're just repeating talking points without understanding.>>537791536Oh, so the fraud only extends to temperature measurements that are not on tarmac or roof?
>>537780146>>537792263HAARP. Not climate change. 3/5
>>537780146White men invented solar panels, so climate change is actually caused by jews and browns as a ploy to cause a climate crisis and climate refugess to invade the west.My AC is solar powered, problem tranny?Also many fake climate activists will claim they are against climate change but then will wear clothes made from oil or imported in a plane.
>>537780146The left is dusting off the oldies.You can smell the desperation.
>>537780768the manmade part is missing
>>537783300>>climate change is actually happeningby definition the climate is ALWAYS changing
>>537792278>It's notOh but it is. https://www.thearcticinstitute.org/permafrost-thaw-warming-world-arctic-institute-permafrost-series-fall-winter-2020/Again. Northwest passage is opening up. Did you know that?
Nothing anyone of you says is actually disproving the fact that there is a net additional energy intake due to the CO2 concentration in our air. One that we have caused and one that measurably increases the temperature in the atmosphere
>>537780146manhattan will sink by 2080 goyim fill my pockets now to keep crying about climate change!
>>537780146>>537792390HAARP. Not climate change. 4/5Picrel: ionospheric microwave heater antennae array, US is not the only country that has them. Even Ukraine has them. A common weapon that is not secret, yet the public is not informed.
>>537792691Nobody is saying that and companies earn more money by denying climate change or not caring about it
>>537792723>>537780146HAARP. Not climate change. 5/5
>>537792723Go and calculate how much energy you need to even match 1 W/m^2 additional energy in our atmosphere. Not possible to do it by human means
>>537780574is there a specific time frame within which this is scientifically feasible?
>>537792555Have anything more recent than half a decade ago?The ice caps are thicker now than they have been in 50 years
>>537792263>>537792320It always fascinated me how the US chooses to suffer from devastating floods and droughts and so on when they can actually control the weather with a bunch of antennae lol
>>537780146>if I give more money to NGOs It'll fix the weatherNuke India then well talk
>>537792730>Nobody is saying thatExcept all the politicians and the people they pay to fearmonger.
>>537793027Nobody is saying that
>>537792937>The ice caps are thicker now than they have been in 50 yearsThey are not. Again, the northwest passage is opening up. Do you even understand what that is? Why is China, Russia, and the US investing massive amounts of resources into the northern parts of the world? Because it's a new frontier to take advantage of. If there was no thawing of the arctic, there wouldn't be such a rush to try and dominate that region. https://www.thearcticinstitute.org/the-circumpolar-podcast-arctic-shipping-northern-sea-route/
>>537793169Maybe a few screechers. Most accept that sea levels will rise very slowly.Youre just building easy strawmen on purpose
>>537793192This. There are reasons they want Greenland so bad
>>537792029>correlation is totally causation
>>537792115>y-you cant be intelligent or educated if you disagree with the unscientific manipulated frauds I believe in
>>537792352>what you "forgot" to mention is that Venus at 1atm is at around 50 km upI didnt forget to mention that at allanyone who knows anything about venus knows it has a preposterously thick atmosphere that will weigh on you more than 1km of ocean depth here on earththose of us who understand pv=nrt understandthis isnt the gotcha you dreamed of>It's obvious that you're just repeating talking points without understanding.lmao this is some great cope-projection
>>537792937>The ice caps are thicker now than they have been in 50 yearsI can't with these people lol. Do you really believe that the world's ice caps somehow reversed decades of mass loss in five years?
>>537780146It's 24c...
>>537793192>the northwest passage is opening upthis is you being misleadingit HAS opened upand the sea ice extent and thickness has both increased and decreased since that happened
>>537793437That is not what i said.What i said is that you have no idea about how academic research is done but calling people liars and jews is easy
>>537793638It has only opened up recently to the point that ice breakers can easily voyage through those areas. At the rate it's going now, shipping can finally go from the pacific to Atlantic without even going through the South.
>>537793742>you have no idea about how academic research is doneclimate research goes like this>have compromised charlatan with globohomo connections talk to his handler and get told to make the data say something>work really hard at manipulating data until it says something remotely what's required by the handler>present false conclusions as if they are obvious>screech that nobody can challenge these assessments>after they get btfo, keep it because the btfo doesnt matter>find another area to defraud so as to help the overall picturethis is evidenced by the TSI fraud being the big initial fraudand when that wasnt enough, Climategate revealed for us that they lamented their failure and manipulated things to say that they werent akshually wrongthey did this by ceasing to use real temps in any public facing display of data and only using temp anomaly, then fucking with the baseline and that is 110% where we are getting "its the hottest year evah, every single fucking year" fromthey manipulated it until the MWP disappeared from their augmented data, compressed the LIA and then began their baseline from the coldest local minima to exaggerate the presented anomalyyou cant refute these factsyou can only bitch whine and moan and then ultimately ignore them because you've already been fooled
>>537793920just so long as you understand this will not last very long, lol
>>537793742and that's aside from taking measurements from airport tarmac, roofs, near exhaust vents, etcWatts completely btfo'd all these measurements and you religious fanatics simply disregarded it like it never happened, saying there's nothing wrong with measuring temp on airport tarmac
>>537780146Man made climate change is for low IQ homosexuals.
>>537793920not for long. the glaciers will come back eventually once the currents that help warm the artic up stop or slow down.
>>537794146Meanwhile reality>climate research goes like thisNo it doesnt. And there is not much substance to your post other than calling everyone a fraud.
>>537794318Temperature measurement data is widely available from a shitton of thermometers. You can get the mentioned heating trend with most of them>>537794404Not easy to predict currents long term
>>537794455>y-you cant just call people who manipulate scientific data..f....FRAUDSthat's EXACTLY what you call them
>>537794569>here let me give you this graph that was debunked 15+ years ago againget your fake garbage the fuck out of here
>>537780146>yuropoors chimping out because they're feeling God's wrath>blames climate changethere's no hope for you. With any luck, the entire continent will purified by fire and recolonized by its rightful negro population.
>>537793558>this isnt the gotcha you dreamed ofIt only demolishes your whole argument. When you consider the temperature profile of the atmosphere of Venus, as opposed to just its surface, it becomes immediately obvious that pressure doesn't explain the temperature difference wrt. Earth at all.
>>537794734>it becomes immediately obvious that pressure doesn't explain the temperature difference wrt. Earth at all.I advise you to stop taking whatever drugs you are being given
>>537794625>>537794579>who manipulate scientific dataDo you have any idea how many low tier billy bob doctorates are working on that stuff. Programming, calculating or being in the field measuring.Smart people mind you, i am talking atmospheric physicists and so on. They mostly dont falsify data.Funnily enough i once worked with a hardcore sceptic fluid scientist when i did an internship once. Great guy with many interesting conspiracy theories.Even he knew that IR absorption in our atmosphere is very real and cant be neglected and will warm up our planet.But its easy to go around and call people frauds. Politicians are often, i say that. Also the ones pushing their green agenda.But that doesnt change truth in any way.As if the side you are on doesnt have a fuck ton of frauds who profit of denying climate change either.
>>537794816pv=nRT describes a state of a fluid not how it got there
>>537795091>Do you have any idea how many low tier billy bob doctorates are just taking all of these assumptions without question and working within the guidelines they are given and taught to never ever go outside of them or they will be thrown outdo you?
>>537794816What would be the temperature of the Earth's surface if the atmospheric pressure were 3 bar? Probably not over 100C like on Venus at that level, right? See what happens when you actually start using your head?>>537795161It actually seems that he believes that planetary atmosphere is a Perpetuum mobile.
>>537795161>crunch gas by sheer shit tons of mass of it>it gets hotter>this is just flow, its not because there's a lot of atmospherejesus fuck are you people retarded?you accept whatever you're told without questionreject whatever you are told without questionignore everything you are told to ignore like hey the magnetic field doesnt mean much of anything here, its waning cant be the cause of warmingvidrel is pretty representative of the tier of people who believe the co2 catastrophe conjecture
>>537795349lmao now venus' atmosphere doesnt perpetually moveshooting yourself in the foot like this is what happens when you try real hard to prove fake and gay shit
what fools you are.
>>537794404Oh and these ocean currents are thawing the permafrost too?
>>537795409>jesus fuck are you people retarded?No. Contrary to you i know thermodynamics.pv=nRT remains an equation of gas state not one of how it gets there. Venus has a lot of sulfuric gasses and CO2 so this heats up the atmosphere a lot.
>>537780146>Is there even a more goycattle behavior imaginable than defending trillion dollar research institutes with all your might so you can pretend everything is fine until you eventually die of a malnutrition while no children are left to inhabit the world?ftfy
>>537795483>lmao now venus' atmosphere doesnt perpetually moveOf course it does. And where do you think the energy comes from? The SUN you fucking moron. Do you think pressure can create energy out of nothing? Do you think that pressure retains heat?
>>537795712no, that would be the atmospheric heat. pic related is north Russia right now (aka, permafrost) that is well above freezing.
>>537795770>Venus is not hot because of atmospheric pressurethis is how retarded you are, you cant even accept basic factsreminder that Mars has a very high concentration of co2 also, but since it has a very thin atmosphere....oh wait you just got btfo'd again
>>537795884>Do you think that pressure retains heat?atmosphere retains heat, retarda lot of atmosphere retains more heat than a little atmosphereare you that retarded you dont understand this basic fact?
>>537795886>atmospheric heat rising>ocean currents warming >the global temperatures aren't rising. Mmhmm.
>>537795886you are being signal managed65.7431245100918, -169.08366042931286
>>537784318>You nazi capitalists and your stupid conspiracy theories defending Big Oil>We just want to go forward with our global initiative of combating global warming through control of the economyI can't wait till you get older and finally figure out that all modern wonders are built on oil, and those profits you hate so much come from the people you claim to want to protect from death. As a second prize i'll take the imagined video of a green faggot like yourself traveling to a developing country explaining to them how they shouldn't abuse oil and gas to improve their lot because of the profits and apocalypse. Third prize is you just fucking stop talking about your death cult out of sheer embarassment
>>537780146Of course it's a German flag. You faggots are OBSESSED with climate change. How many cars were the dinosaurs driving to live in a world with no ice caps? How did they fuel them if oil is supposedly dinosaur juice?Climate change happens and there isn't shit you can do about it. Deal with it.
>>537780146The poles are currently shifting, as they do cyclically, and are going to massively jump soon, as they also do. Man's influence on the climate compared to that is completely insignificant.
>>537780146After decades of warnings, new data suggest the Atlantic’s vital circulation may withstand climate warming better than fearedhttps://www.science.org/content/article/ocean-current-warms-europe-may-be-more-resilient-feared
>>537790788>Just because a system behaves nonlinearily we do not have magically reached the point where any addition of further CO2 will not increase the temperature in a meaningful way.There is simply no fucking way to "model" the earth's climate and somehow reach the conclusion that enough fudge factor retardation makes it "plausible" that whatever logarithmic first glance effect will be amplified to such a degree that a global catastrophe is coming. >But we just don't knowSure would be great if the climate niggers would inform the public of the true faith one should put in those fucking models, just like it would have been nice to have been informed that the temperature proxies don't work anymore from the moment actual temperature readings were available. >We can model the climate with some degree of confidence>The system is chaotic and it might happen that extra co2 causes it to explode in some wayPick one and only one
>>537796067>basic factsThermodynamics are basic facts and I fucking studied this stuff. And i accept them very well. A gas can be under pressure and not hot. >>537796123>atmosphere retains heatIt absolutely doesnt. It gets into a state of temperatue equillibrium until it keeps a temperature. Venus atmosphere is hot because it receives a lot of heat by the greenhouse effect.>>537796327The dinosaurs among other biological mass of that era became fossile fuels though.Why do you think it was so hot in the cretacious era... >>537796594The part of the modeling that is energy intake into the atmosphere due to greenhouse gasses is not the hard thing.>Chaotic systemsWhile weather and climate can be called chaotic in a dynamical sense even in chaotic systems things like global energy may not be chaotic.Take a double pendulum without friction for example, its a basic chaotic system but you can still say that the sum of kinetic and potential energy in the whole system will remain the same at all times.
>>537797376>While weather and climate can be called chaotic in a dynamical sense even in chaotic systems things like global energy may not be chaotic.Except that it's manifestly chaotic, and your example also doesn't work because it famously does thermal mixing eventually just like almost all other non-integrable systems. The point is that the greenhouse effect is pretty decently understood as a gas-radiation interaction, with the resulting logarithmic effect on temperature (i.e. doubling co2 gives constant increase in temp. would be nice if this undisputed relationship were EVER mention by ANY climate alarmist but whatever). The apocalyptic predictions don't come from any paleo bullshit that feeds the supposed temperature data into the models, the predictions come from the models and their completely unscientific character. Once you admit, like that faggot brian cox, that those models are simply "the best we can do" you have retreated to the point of pascal's wager where you fucking don't know if the models are accurate but it COULD be possible that the climate does something extreme when co2 increases, beyond its expected effect. This is not even getting into the fairly obvious point that it's way more likely that there are dampening mechanisms (like oceans and flora sucking up the co2, hello?) neither of whose effects we have even the slightest idea about, let alone know how to model. The whole thing is so manifestly fucking retarded that it really takes an entire industry spawned from grant money and in bed with politics from the start to even keep this racket going.
So scary
>>537796123Really? So let's say that you have 2 balls, one at 1 bar and the other at 90 bar, and you launch them both into space. Do you think that the air in the 90 bar one will be significantly warmer? Even after a thousand years?
>>537792809Tell it to Middle Easterners who are suddenly getting rain now, NATO Jew
>>537797708Climate does *not* exhibit chaotic behavior. Not in the models, not in the climate reconstructions. See >>537797727Mind you, for the purposed for this graph, "present" doesn't mean "2026"
>>537798031This is literally reverse shamanism lmfao
>>537780146Fakest and gayestKys faggot
>>537796325I don't hate oil anon, I just think we should use it for certain things and not burn it up at astounding rates. As Charlie Munger put it best, oil is worth more in the ground than in vapors in the air.
>>537797708I mean of course climate dynamics is non integrable in that sense, what i am saying is that the mean general heat intake is not really chaotic.And i agree that alarmism is retarded and that politicians pushing agendas is dumb.What i am against is the constant anti science rhetoric on this board is retarded.The models always are just that, models but that doesnt mean that we cannot get any meaningful information from them and also that they are not getting better.We are getting better at ocean and biochemical modeling too. And its also not as easy as suggesting they are sucking up CO2 as both systems can also release it.
>>537798158>not burn it up at astounding rates.Why not?
>>537780146Who cares? I have AC.
>>537798158>not burn it up at astounding rates.Hey if we're talking about all the retarded fucking degenerate decadent wasteful shit the west engages in, i'm all for it. But unfortunately the oil is also used for everything not that, such as our entire modern world and infrastructure. You have to understand that something like the obama plan of -80% by 2050 is even worse than what we imposed on countries like germany and japan after the war. Yeah yeah but green innovations. How many innovations in the past 50 years? How many billions were "invested" in that? It's shameful is what it is. >>537798048I have no clue what you mean. It's absolutely a chaotic system and we have no idea about how to predict almost any of it for any reasonable length of time. You mean to say that there are no extreme behaviors suddenly because of all the dampening and shit? Yeah that's probably very true if you look at any particular measurable, like temperature or winds or pressure or things like that. Still chaotic in the technical sense tho.>>537798197>the constant anti science rhetoric on this board is retarded.This is where we part ways. What people want to mean by science is the scientific method, a set of principles. What they in effect mean is Science done by Scientists with the proper credentials. People on this board are against Science as done by quacks and hacks in the paleoclimatology and climate modeling business. Those people are probably criminal and should go to prison. That this bismirches the good name of science a reasonable person can mentally separate, since it's an institutional fault. >but that doesnt mean that we cannot get any meaningful information from themYeah no that's exactly what that means. If you go beyond anything like pascal's wager (it MIGHT happen) you are just talking out of your ass. This is worse than astrology since at astrology has a reasonably fixed base reality. We can't model water molecules or proteins, we can't jump to fucking mars
The climate changes naturally. The hubris of humans (really jews, since they are the ones usually championing the cause) to think we are the ones dictating it, and that we can easily reverse it is delusional. If all the hysterics are right, and the climate is changing 100% due to humans in a short timespan, it's the fault of jeets and chinks, the West has done more than enough to "contribute" to fixing it.
>>537798475>It's absolutely a chaotic systemWhy not just say Complex System, which it is? You know, all that ian malcom shit.
>>537798475>It's absolutely a chaotic systemHow would regular and predictable ice-age cycles be possible in a chaotic system?>>537798475>People on this board are against Science as done by quacks and hacks in the paleoclimatology and climate modeling business. People on this board believe that temperature measurements are fake and that you can control the climate with a fucking radar. Just read the thread.
>>537798655>How would regular and predictable ice-age cycles be possible in a chaotic system?Great, predict exactly those cycles over the next 300,000 years. Or, did you really just mean analyzing what’s already happened in hindsight? Because what you’re basically saying is that since i can look at a weather chart of the last century, that means i can predict the daily weather for the next century…
>>537780146German you are an Oxymoron. You have increased mass migration. Yes? You have added millions of immigrants into your population, and it in turn encourages overpopulation that go and deforest or simple increase expeditiously. You sell agriculture to developing nations who aren't growing the crops themselves but are doubling or tripling their population size. Where you German have then increased mass migration.Now you cry about climate change. You are the biggest oxymoron on this Planet.If a baby to the age of one in the West produces on average 56.8 million tonnes of carbon, how much is every illegal and immigrant? Explain the German in the room. They are ridiculous. Climate change, you're literally the harbingers of it. Then you come up with more consumption as in more energy usage, will beat the weather, and it powers even more perishables.l products with a diminishing lifetime.Enjoy your wildfires.
>>537780146There's an ice age coming, because of solar activity, and you're an actual retard. I assume you're a nigger.
>>537780146There is also a giant green industry.The reality is that a giant industry means giant investment by society (that already happened). It is a good idea to be sceptical before taking it all down.
>>537780373People like OP generally ignore pre little ice age temperatures. If they don't they use Antarctic ice cores and assume they reflect global and European temperatures.
>>537798475>People on this board are against Science as done by quacks and hacks in the paleoclimatology and climate modeling businessNo because there are also a lot of intelligent scientists in that field, most alarmists are either popsci retards or politicians.People here often are just against science in general.>Yeah no that's exactly what that meansNo it doesnt. Anybody who worked with fluid dynamics a bit knows that numerical simulations still are inaccurate compared to actual experimental results. But are they meaningless and should we not try to improve them and is there no information that can be gained from them? Absolutely not.Its especially hard to modify the specifics, how currents and weather may be affected and so on and i dont like people talking easily about that.But what i am definitely saying that a prediction of average temperatures rising due to greenhouse gasses can be done
>>537798650>>537798655Because chaotic system is a more accurate term for it. >regular and predictable ice-age cycles be possible in a chaotic systemThey are not regular or predictable.Chaotic systems still can have distinct behaviors or attractors.
>>537784267Maybe it will be below average but the weather report will show the temperatures as red, so actually it's bad and it's because of CO2.
>>537798950>It is a good idea to be sceptical before taking it all down.But not a good idea to be skeptical before initiating it, so that it then becomes the status quo that’s now “too big to fail”…
>>537798859I am not advocating for all of that
>>537798842>Great, predict exactly those cycles over the next 300,000 years.You think that this is an "own" but that is actually theoretically possible by analyzing the Earth's orbital geometry. Of course, in practice it's different, because we've already fucked the next cycle with man-made warming.
>>537780146>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!>YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT MORE TAXES>OR YOU'RE SOMEONE ELSE'S SLAVES!how about you go fuck yourself?if climate change were realthen banks wouldn't be giving out loans for developing coastal properties.and yet, they are.ergo, climate change is fake and gay.
>>537799242Great, just like it’s theoretically possible to exactly predict the daily weather everywhere on earth. I mean, certainly you can at least predict tomorrow’s weather perfectly, right?
>>537798650>Complex SystemWell that is true but a chaotic dynamical system is more like a subset of those. Complex systems in the ian malcolm sense are more focused on the (often surprising) macroscopic emergent behavior that isn't visible from the micro. This is definitely true for physical systems (like ice crystal - glacier, or atmospheric molecules - atmosphere) but also of other stuff like life and social behavior etc.>>537798655>How would regular and predictable ice-age cycles be possible in a chaotic system?They wouldn't be, it's just an observed rhythm that you hope continues, but might break at any point. You can see the same phenomenon with ball-bearings and other simple systems. >People on this board believe that temperature measurements are fakeThey believe the temperature PROXIES are fake, which they are. Also you have to be able to filter out some schizo retardation here, or at least know quality. I mean, duh.>Intelligent scientistI have absolutely no doubt about either their intelligence or their sincerity. Doesn't mean the whole field isn't basically fraudulent though. If you haven't seen these two things together you don't know the human condition. Hey man we can just agree to disagree. You have the majority position anyway. I'll continue believing modeling the climate is as hubristic as anything ever attempted by an astrologer. Man, when they model fluid mechanics they are just looking for possible behavior, and the scale is also infinitely smaller. They would never say that something like that can predict the fluid, and either way they try to make the models fit reality not the other way around lmao. Climate, absolutely not. Paleoclimatology, mildly interesting and good for generating new ideas. Extremely bad when given full force of politics and trillions riding on it.>Prediction of temperaturesRidiculous. We know simple greenhouse models and their more or less logarithmic relation. Anything beyond that, not a clue under heaven.
>>537799034>>537799471eh i missed a fucking quote. sorry bout that
>>537799471fun fact: chaos theory was born of halting and resuming a weather simulation.The more you know!
>>537799197It's an Oxymoronic topic. Until they actually address the route cause of climate change. Mass migration. What are they doing about it. Profiting off of gimmicks. Where there are only soothsayer.We are in warm period and a lot of it is brought on by our species quadruling the global population size in a century and all of it is attributed to mass migration. Nobody can say for certain what occurs except that if it keeps occurring the temperature will become unsustainable. It doesn't necessarily mean the mythical ice age. It means we will become too hot to sustain our populations.Until they address the route cause it's an oxymoron of charlatans and profiteerss, selling gimmicks. Tech is as much to blame for the weather.
>>537799573Funny, I kinda think the fermi-pasta-ulam experiment following poincare's non-integrability and maxwell's insistence on initial conditions was one of the first real confirmations of chaos and order mixed together. on a computer lmao.
>>537799471>Doesn't mean the whole field isn't basically fraudulent thoughI think its more of the practical side that tends to be fraudulent. Regenerative energy peddling and so on.The climate research itself not that much>I'll continue believing modeling the climate is as hubristic as anything ever attempted by an astrologerSo continue living in ignorance? We can model the weather for at least a few days with relative accuracy. Not much hubris to that. And so its not much hubris to try and model the larger system as long as people keep in mind the restraints.>We know simple greenhouse modelsWe know more than simple greenhouse models by now. If you wanna model combustion engines and combustion processes in general very accurately you basically need lots of knowledge about this stuff for example its not just climate science pushing these models.I also did not say we can predict temperatures, just that they are rising and maybe heuristically to what mean scaleBut at least you seem like a person that is not full of mumbo jumbo.Because as i said categorically claiming this thing is not happening is also hubris and there are also trillions and a shitton of politics behind that.
>>537799447I don't think it's actually possible to predict weather perfectly, even theoretically, because even if you had an infinitely powerful computer and a perfect initialization (e.g. let's say you knew the attributes of every molecule on Earth), due to quantum effects. This is different from climate prediction where you don't need to worry about such things because they average out.>>537799471>They believe the temperature PROXIES are fake, which they are. Also you have to be able to filter out some schizo retardation here, or at least know quality. I mean, duh.>oooh, right, when I said "people", I didn't mean people who think that temperature measurements are fake, those are loonies, I meant people who think temperature proxies are fake, that's a completely reasonable conspiracy theory lol
>>537800108I gtg so i'll make it quick on your last few points, sorry nothing to do with you.>The climate research itself not that muchIt's fine, I've said my piece. The real meat of why such models are insufficient is way beyond the scope of smth like this anyway. >So continue living in ignorance?Yes. False certainty is worse than ignorance. You can probably model the increase in co2 as some sort of increase in solar output and the whole thing loses its rapture-redemption bite.>as long as people keep in mind the restraints.They don't. We can't model it. We can't model a billiard ball, a water molecule, a fluid, a protein, none of it. You might say "well maybe we'll improve..." -- no, you don't understand. We'd need a trillion times more computing power and accuracy and still not reach such climate forecasts.>I also did not say we can predict temperatures, just that they are risingWell fair enough, they could be rising with or without co2, and I don't know anyone who suggests co2 has a cooling effect, though it wouldn't even surprise me with all the dampening mechanisms around. We're also coming out of a "little ice age" (what ever happened to that lmao?) and have a "medieval optimum" (again??) behind us. Pointing at a chart of temperature and co2 and going pog face is not something that appeals to a scientist, it appeals to a voter and power-point enjoying bureaucrats.>>537800191idk what point you're trying to make with that greentext, or whose pov it's supposed to be. But for the record I think people who believe you can't measure ambient temperature at all are either extremely autistic (somewhat correct) or just looney. And I think people who believe temperature proxies are retarded are reasonable "conspiracy theorists" (in the sense that yeah they are very lacking and nowhere near as powerful or consistent as people want them to be)
>>537800191Yes, right, weather and climate predictions stretching out centuries will more accurate…in a chaotic complex system.
>>537800588>in the sense that yeah they are very lacking and nowhere near as powerful or consistent as people want them to beBut that's not what "fraud" means. If you have issues with, say, error bars on a specific paleoclimate study, then you should make your case and write a reply to the journal or something. To me, fraud implies that the people who wrote the paper know that the results are fake, the people who reviewed the paper also know that they are fake, the editor knows that they are fake, and everyone who wants to publish a temperature reconstruction in the same geographical area will then be instructed to fake their results so that they don't contradict the original study. You really think that's how it works?>>537800681Climate is not weather. Nobody is trying to predict whether it will be raining in your backyard in 2100.
>>537801163>Nobody is trying to predict whether it will be raining in your backyard in 2100.But you predict that it’s going to be hotter, no wait, colder, with less rain, no wait more rain
>>537780358FpbpOP is a fucking FAAAAAGGOT
>>537801381Sooo... just to make things perfectly clear, if the total incoming solar radiation increased by, say, 5%, do you believe that it is impossible to predict how much the Earth would warm up?
>>537797376>A gas can be under pressure and not hot.as usual I'm forced to deal with retarded comparisons as if a lab experiment and a planet are somehow the same>It gets into a state of temperatue equillibrium until it keeps a temperature.this is your faggot way of agreeing with me>fossile fuelsnow the dinosaurs themselves are fucking fossil fuels, lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooanyone that uses this term should have his legs beaten like he's rick james on the murphy's couch>energy intake into the atmosphere due to greenhouse gasses you cant even tell when you say something retarded, can you
>>537797786>really, let's compare these two totally dissimilar things because of sheer scale, in my funhouse mirror this is winning
>>537801501Ah, so you’re going to start predicting changes in the sun now too, are you? Great, predict the next solar flare.
>>537798048>Not in the models, not in the climate reconstructionstalking like those are reality
>>537780146Demented communist pukes lie about everything else. Of course they will lie about the globe warming if they think they can get an ounce of power that way. So I do not believe.
>>537801163>fraud implies that the people who wrote the paper know that the results are fake, the people who reviewed the paper also know that they are fake, the editor knows that they are fake, and everyone who wants to publish a temperature reconstruction in the same geographical area will then be instructed to fake their results so that they don't contradict the original study.Yes, it is exactly how political and government science™ works. The only difference from Philip Morris funded science™ to support cigarettes is they use it to push "social change".Now KYS memegflag kike.
A good trick to beat the heat is to simply open a window and point a fan at said open window. It blows the heat directly out of the room
>>537801609Okay, let's say the balls are the size of Mars, how does that change your answer?>>537801644It's a hypothetical, you cretin. Although, the Sun actually does have a regular sunspot cycle, bet you didn't know that lol.
>>537799034>People here often are just against those who utterly abuse the scientific method and have the nerve to call it science in general.ftfy
>>537799242>e've already fucked the next cycle with man-made warming.you should stop saying such retard tier shit if you want anyone besides the other two climate fags itt to take you seriously
>>537799604>actually address the root cause of climate change.what are your suggestions for the sun and the earth's magnetic field?we're not altering either of thoseergo we have no path to altering the root causes of climate change
>>537801846Ah, so you can’t predict future solar output, but you’re still going to predict changes in the earth’s climate over the coming centuries and millennia. Seems like you’ll be missing some crucial dada points there in your precious models.
>>537801706How can you even say that the climate is chaotic when you (in your world) it's not even possible to observe it because everything is a fraud?>>537801820>The only difference from Philip Morris funded science™ to support cigarettes is they use it to push "social change".That's actually not true - The tobacco industry knew that it is not possible to simply buy out the entire scientific community - their strategy was focused on creating a "scientific controversy" (see "Doubt is our product.”). The same strategy was then copied by the fossil fuel industry to misled people about climate change.
>>537800588>I think people who believe temperature proxies are retarded are reasonablefew seem to understand that the proxies strip away the transients and give you a very rough averageso when you have modern measurement showing the transients, you cant just go>OMG WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE THIS LINE GOES TO INFINITYyou have to understand that you cant splice real measurement in with proxy in a seamless fashion like the fraudsters did with the hockey stickbut then you get absolute fuckin retards still posting the hockey stick like it hasnt been blown to smithereens already and its really facepalm worthy and you lament for their retard brain, it may have a bit of compute power to it but understand the fundamental processes it does not
>>537801846Mars' atmosphere is 95% co2why isnt it hot as fuck, moron?
>>537802027ding ding dingwithout a good working and predictive solar model, long term predictions of earth's climate are 100% impossible
>>537802191Your own fucking climate theory requires climate to be chaotic, since your theory is that small changes in the earth’s atmosphere will cause vastly non-deterministic changes.
>>537802191>it's not even possible to observe it because everything is a fraud?www.yourlogicalfallacyis.comit would help if you refrained from using these as the meat & potatoes of your arguments
>>537780358Nooooo giving billion dollar corporation more money will save us from the sun!! AIIEEEE
>>537801163>You really think that's how it works?First of all, yeah a lot of people are actual frauds involved in a basically criminal enterprise. If the climategate was only a small peak into the kitchen then I stand by my position that those people should be in prison. If you lie for that amount of money, and possibly that amount of political clout, that's corruption and people go to jail for so much less. Second of all, you can be a sincere believer and still be involved in a crime. Like what? They might sincerely believe they are fudging and changing things cause otherwise the world will end, and anyway they are up against Big Oil and denier hacks so of course this is allowed. That's still fraud buddy, sign the form. Oh but we didn't know, we believed our science was good. Yada yada.>>537802196well, as far as i know they have never recovered from the essential problem of "divergence" or whatever they called it, i.e. that the proxies did not match the actual measured record. Which to their minds of course means a possible new signal, maybe also done by humans, but the proxies are sound for everything before, instead of considering the heckin obvious.
>>537802027At this point, human activity completely swamps changes in solar flux. I mean, sure, in theory it's possible that the sun is going to explode tomorrow, so why make any predictions at all, hm? Checkmate, atheists.>>537802259There's like 20 times less Co2 on Mars than there is on Earth, duh.>>537802317>non-deterministic changes.What? No, it's exactly the opposite, the changes are deterministic, if they weren't then why would anyone even make predictions. Lol, are you dumb or what?>>537802360How is it a fallacy? If there are no valid records of, say, temperature, how can we evaluate climate at all?
>>537783300It's homogeneity you retard.
>>537802820>First of all, yeah a lot of people are actual frauds involved in a basically criminal enterprise.Okay. Why not sue them all, then? Why didn't the fossil fuel companies sue them? With a criminal enterprise this large, it should be trivial to find enough evidence to obtain a guilt verdict, no?
If anyone that believes climate change is caused by human emissions they would be demanding China and India be erased right now. They aren't, therfore they do not believe it.
>>537802831So, co2 being 0.042% of the earth’s atmosphere, and a slight change in this will drastically change earth's climate, and you’re saying that a non-chaotic system will have vast changes from a 1/10,000 part change?
>>537803002Because the government is involved in it too? The department of energy is the head funder of all that nonsense in america afaik. Besides there's almost no legal precedent whatsoever to use against scientists and university personnel in general, which is a big part of the reason we're in this situation in the first place. Not enough came from climategate, because of course there didn't. Nothing except a lot hemming and hawing and how we'll kick out the bolsheviks to be pure mensheviks from now on. Uhuh. Climate scientists can commit career-ending statistical fraud on a yearly basis and have nothing happen to them, because there is noone to go against them, and anyway it's just some mild scientific misconduct right? The thing that makes it fraud is they life for money, i.e. funding, and for clout, i.e. to make powerpoints for bureaucrats. As an overall point of order though, the huffing and puffing outrage of how DARE i suggest a conspiracy in the climate and green industry is the kind of faggotry an invested person engages in to accuse their enemies of lying trotskyist cretins. We get enough of that on the daily from literally every news source on earth, so no thanks.
>dont care.fuck jews
>>537783604>the boiling frog analogy does not hold waterProofs the theory that everything is a lie. >>537784267>It's a heat dome.Be careful with facts, could disturb the crowd.
>>537802831>There's like 20 times less Co2 on Mars than there is on Earth, duh.95% co2, disingenuous nigger
>>537780146Taxpayer Slide Thread Posting in [Current Year]. Its better NATO et al fund you, thats just less money for the hot wars. It doesnt matter who or what you work for, this is part of an operation that is taxpayer funded, and each post, just like each meeting, and each drone and bomb all increases the debt and prices, while decreasing the overall freedoms to speak and purchase without the banks et al telling us what is moral and immoral, what is true and not true. What a bunch of false gods. God Bless you for putting food on your table. It sucks we the people are cogs that are not allowed to have a wife and family and a good future.We the people are replaced today, with who will be replaced tomorrow. Its all numbers. Science is the only God we need, oh and the bankers gods.. those are more powerful because they fund the science god who also tells us reality based on a persons observations trying to understand and not enforce what is already naturally and thus freely enforced.The Orthodox Church is a hospital for the soul, and its free, but it requires work as well as humility.This kind of work I am reading here, is taxpayers paying a government and military that is now at the whims of the environment. Animals that deficate in the open, and eat their own whenever they get hungry. God Bless the Rotschilds who own NATO, UN, Erope, US, Israel LLC and all of the over very limited LLC, no liability, just death and profit and enslavement. All Western Militaries and Governments apparentlly are incapable of stopping a great enemy who engineered these wars to hide their identitiies. Avoiding the Light of Truth is not something a Christ focused spirit would do, so wars in the shadows and debt enslavement is very against Christ, and really all things good and true.Our modern governments and military HATE the Truth so much, they are forcing us to fight more wars to keep the the elite from awaits us all in the end, just the same. Christ.
>>537780146>your future childrenLike humanity is supposed to exist forever? Life is fleeting. Every species goes extinct and every star dies.
>>537803002this dumb fuck acts like globohomo doesnt even exist, lmaoyou were probably making fun of people for believing that elites fucked kids right up until Trump didnt release the files, werent you
>>537790182>The interactions of CO2 with radiation are very well studiedHas nothing to do with interactions on a global scale. Further the real concentration is way below the published one. (wich is "modeled" like sea level "change" or new ice age a few decades ago).
>>537803445>It's a heat dome.do these faggots really think the polar vortex only happens in winter
>>537803184First off, it's not a "slight change" in terms of Co2 concentration - but yeah, it's not a large part in terms of total atmospheric volume. So what? A thin thermal blanket can make a difference between you living or freezing to death due to heat loss. You don't need "chaotic" effects to change the temperature by a few degrees, it's just radiation physics.
>>537790453>We can literally observe the atmospheric absorption spectra from space, you braindead imbecileNow post the real spectral absorption lines of CO2 and the real concentration of that trace gas away from cities and Mauna Loa.
>>537803687>it's just radiation physics.l o g a r i t h m i c
>>537803687there he goes posting more misleading images again
>>537780146the Battle of Hastings was a tragic mistake.
>>537803276>Because the government is involved in it too?Aaaah, there we go. So, we went from a bunch of scientists faking data (easily believable) to a decades-long, global government conspiracy. But yeah, only the "temperature records are fake" guy is a loonie, lol
>>537803687So, minute changes in the earth’s atmosphere will cause drastic climate changes…in a non-chaotic system. Got it.
>>537780146Man-made global warming accounts for less than 0.3% of the total cumulative effect on the Earth's temperature.
>>537780146>maybe if I say goycattle they'll suddenly believe in debonked pseudoscience
>>537803890this is hilariousdude its not 2003 any longer, people know about the global government conspiracy & psyops nowif you dont, that just means you're the retard in the room
>>537780146>lived in the same state for a decade now>summers are still hot>winters are still cold>meme science told us that we'd all be underwater by 2010 or whatever fucking goalpost shift they want to makeMmmkay. I'll just keep living my life
Side A= You are a sellout to corporations!Side B= You are a sellout to the government!You can't win.
>>537804074when you dont know your government is corporations
>>537803537I'm talking about MASS, you dumb fuck
>>537803893No, you're not "getting it". Jeez, how can I explain this to a complete retard. Hey, you know how painting something black or white can massively change the temperature of the surface? Do you think it's because of chaotic effects?
>>537780146>defending billion dollar industriesAckshually, leftoids do that with migrants who decrease wages and increase costs. That only benefits corporations. No one on the right is against green shit for the sake of fossil fuel industries. We just don't want to pay more than we have to. Renewables should be competitive and then we'd be all for them. I personally love rooftop solar in places with a good net metering program (you sell excess production back to the grid).
>>537804152yeah as I said before, atmosphere retains heatand more atmosphere retains more heatit was so hilarious when I akshually got responded to before saying atmosphere doesnt retain heat, co2 does
>>537804315Minute changes in initial conditions causing vast repercussions is the literal definition of chaos in a complex system. >Do you think it's because of chaotic effects?If i only painted 1/10,000 of a wall, that would absolutely be a chaotic effect.
>>537803881What does the Battle of Hastings have to do with a German flag OP?
>>537804388>yeah as I said before, atmosphere retains heat>and more atmosphere retains more heat>>537797786
>>537780146>Is there even a more goycattle behavior imaginable than defending billion dollar industriesYou fucking retard. You think the people making your retarded windmills so they can sell you electricity at 5 times the price aren't billion dollar industries getting rich off you?Your climate hoax is just a scheme to transfer control of the energy sector from the current owners of the fossil fuel industry to the neoliberal investors of "green energy" who spent a shit load of money bribing politicians to sell you their products. They live in seaside mansions that would be wiped out by the sea level rise they supposedly fear and fly around the globe in private jets while they tell peasants like you that you need to sacrafice more to save the planet.When the doomsday prophecy fails the weather cult pushes back doomsday another decade and you still believe them because every time its hot, every time its cold, every time there's a flood or a drought or anything they scream "climate change" with no real logic behind it and you believe them.
>>537804490HOW THE FUCK IS IT CHAOTIC WHEN YOU GET THE SAME RESULT EVERY TIME?
>>537804653Ahhh, so we’ve run repeated experiments on the whole atmosphere and earth itself, and were somehow able to use controls too? I love to read them.
>>537803890I'll bet you have no problem at all conceiving of such a thing for the defense industry or the oil lobby. Also you dont seem to understand the logarithmic relation between co2 and temperature absent feedback effects. But its good we got our cards on the table, saves further post waste. BTW I dont think either scientist or politician or bureaucrat or naive activist lacks in sincerity. For anyone else reading that is of course.
>537795886wtf i thought russia was supposed to be this cold place in siberia, but it was over 80 today in mid juneeven yakutia is 80, i don't want to see anymore videos about 'worlds coldest place' since it's clearly a bold faced lie
>>537785258What was the OHC 10,000 year ago and why?
>>537804578>YEAH OK YOU WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PLANETS>HOW ABOUT THESE BALLS THO
>>537783604>Frogs are not retarded, they understand temperaturebut you clearly are since you didn’t get the point
>>537804653this kid ate paint chips and grayons as a child
>>537804959Summers in parts of Siberia can, and always have since man has been around, gotten to 20–35°C. Ignorance is no defence.https://www.climatestotravel.com/climate/siberia
>>537780146fotze idiot
>>537804780The wall, you fucking imbecile, the wall. The wall example shows that you have no idea what you're talking about. Because the paint effect is *predictable*.>>537804798>I'll bet you have no problem at all conceiving of such a thing for the defense industry or the oil lobby. Please tell me what sort of science did the defense industry or the oil lobby corrupt under global government cover.>Also you dont seem to understand the logarithmic relation between co2 and temperature absent feedback effects.Temperature feedback is not the same thing as chaos.>>537805050You won't answer the question because you know it ruins your entire "pressure" argument lol
>>537804653We never get the same results when we measure the interaction between three gravitational bodies ... but you think we can with earths climate?
>>537780146As an accelerationist, I welcome climate change.It will finally get Europeans to wake up when the wave of Africans and Arabs show up and make 2015 look like a picnic.
>>537805310>You won't answer the question because you know it ruins your entire "pressure" argument lol>scaling something up 4,612,000 times makes no differencebut the thread already knows you're a retard
>>537785258haha wow that's a lot of hamburgers harry potter star wars voldemort or something.
>>537805319Dude the guy I was responding to thinks that paint is chaotic lol, I can't even begin to talk to someone like that. >>537805415>>537801846
>>537785276um climate change is LICHRALLY killing millions of indians RIGHT NOW so we NEED to rescue them by taking them into our countries. are you a RACIST or something, goy?
>>537805310It took me this long to realize that the rest of us anons have been using actual mathematic and scientific terms, meanwhile your lead paint brain thinks “chaos” means infinitely random. Anyways, let me give you an example of the type of “chaos” we mean. Rogue waves. They are a predictable, but non-linear, outcome.
>>537786270have you been in NYC 400,000 years ago fucking idiot?You must've seen it then.
>>537780146They all said we'd be dead by now. I've lived through at least three of these climate grifts.
>>537780146Buy an AC, faggot.
>>537805355There is some truth to this but i dont understand the accelerationist position in the case where everything will get destroyed. How do accelerationists view a rhodesia or South Africa? Or British Egypt for that matter
>>537780146Climate change AKA give me even more of your tax dollars for things that won't fix jack shit oh and that's in addition to what we already give to kikes niggers and spics.Nah seriously fuck you.
>>537780146>Guise I'm telling you it's the cow farts!!!>Cows farting which has been occurring for thousands of years Huh. I'd think the planet would've exploded by now
>>537780146if we pay more taxes, our government(kikes) definitely fix problems with climate.we just have to pay more, more money and kikes will fix it faster.
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>>537805616>meanwhile your lead paint brain thinks “chaos” means infinitely random. No you fucking retard. Chaos is defined is terms of sensitivity to initial conditions. How the fuck does that apply to the paint on the wall example?
>>537805494>ok, lets say the balls are the size of marsthis is a never ending charade where every time you're btfo, you augment a little part of it and go >WELL HOW ABOUT THISnot realizing that your starting position was retarded and ever step you took from that starting position was also retarded
>>537806269So... if the balls are the size of regular football, you're willing to admit that the temperature will be the same? But, if they are the size of Mars, it won't be? But why, the pressure is still the same?
>>537806445have already landed on the Mars stupid faggot and you know how it looks like?The earth is flat stupid jewropean faggotyou may not notice earth shape from the plane because there's nothing in your skull instead of shit
>>537807360KILL YOURSELF JUSTPASSINGTHROUGH (BAN-EVADING ARGENTINIAN (Barneyfag)).I'M NOT EVEN JOKING, I WANT TO SMASH YOUR FUCKING HEAD RIGHT OPEN SO THAT NOTHING REMAINS OF IT AND I DON"T HAVE TO LIVE WITH YOUR EXISTENCE, YOU WASTE OF HUMAN FLESH. IF I KILLED YOU TOMORROW, THEN THAT WOULD BE ALL THAT WOULD SATISFY ME BEFORE MY EVENTUAL DEATH. NOTHING I WANT TO SEE MORE THAN ME CRUSHING YOUR FUCKING SKULL, TEARING YOUR FUCKING EYES, BEATING YOU UNTIL YOU'RE A LIFELESS FUCKING CARCASS, AND THEN GUTTING, DISMEMBERING AND GRINDING YOU UP UNTIL I KNOW FOR SURE THAT THE WORLD IS FREED FROM YOUR EVIL, YOU FUCKING WASTE OF LIFE, YOU FUCKING DEGENERATE SUBHUMAN, COLLECTIVE OF THE WORST FUCKING SCUM ON THE PLANET
>>537799727The route cause has been quadrupling our species in a century. It is solely attributed to mass migration. How do we cut down emissions. Cut down on migration. The oxymoron is it is being encouraged at rates of no tomorrow. Nations many in fact trippling their population in the last few decades. The UK adding 15 million immigrants in that time the late 90s and now. It then builds new developments on the greenbelt and flood plain. Until it is fucking moronic. How can you shout climate change and singlehandedly add millions in its path. Florida since 2000 and today. California the same. Hawaii likewise. Australia. Canada.Notice the pattern. Cause and affect. You're arguing if it's just a "Warm" period due to our planetary alignment and rotation. That's naive, it's a sum of all parts. We are also to blame the sun didn't evaporate our ground water. Our urbanisation infrastructure agriculture extraction transportation and industry are obviously also causing change. We can do this in history. Egypt there are the Pyramids thousands of years of history. They built those in a desert? The climate changed, they're in a desert now. Population and climate change. Humans primarily caused any affect. Deforestation agriculture infrastructure industry warfare and population.
