Seriously what's the issue. Get over it.
They hate UPA, not this dude, I think
I couldn't give less of a shit, I still want nuclear weapons for Ukraine. Bandera is dead and killed much more ziggers than he killed Poles.
>>537797177Not really he killed around 40 thousand Russians and about 140 thousand poles
>>537797177you're a sub 80 IQ moron and a triator
>>537797177this. fuck polaks
>>537797775Well, his acolytes killed 1 million Russians since 2022 so whatever.>>537798900Why would I be mad over a dead man? Ukrainians use him as a symbol of fighting Russians, not killing Poles. I don't give a fuck if they like him.
>>537797042His formation is responsible for ethnic cleansing of>Poland (nobody cares)>Jews (USA cares)>Czechs>Ukrainians who refused to participate>Hungary>Slovakia>Romania (aka Gypsies)but also>Belarus / Lithuania>Latva>EstoniaThey killed civilians, never participated in any war battle, and the decisive factors were comfy in the western europe, while their armed forces were killing women and toddlers with forks, quartering them, burning alive, and so on.Ukraine has actual heroes, including Azov battalion, but for some reason, they are very focused on praising a balding cuck from 100 years ago. I omitted other things that ukraine does to its neighbors (including harassing hungarian minority), because you asked about this particular cuckThe problem is that modern ukraine base their personality, their politics and optics on this dead guys ideals, which are - Great Ukraine, and ethnic cleansing. They justify it with fighting russia, but considering that ukrainians are liars, they literally mean everything else. Recently, they accidentally told the truth what they think about allies, especially Poland. So people got kinda angryDo you have some questions? Ignore the shills and memeflags, I'll try to be as fair as possible and will not rape the logic
>>537797042>>537797177If Ukraine wants to be a Fascist state they have the self-determination to do so however they don’t need US money, weapons and resources taken straight from our pockets. Also if you want Ukraine to have nukes you are a moron.
>>537799080acolytes =/= upaif the acolytes are great, why there is no new Azov Battalion? But instead there is a resurgence of UPA? And no mention of other national Ukrainian heroes? It's like there is UPA, and nothing else? A big black hole. There obviously ARE other Ukrainian heroes, who were moderate, sensible and normal, but modern Ukraine, under zelensky, focuses on genocidial maniacs, who made nazi germany sick. Forget about my flag, we're not talking about Poland only, we're talking about the whole eastern region
>>537799226ok ivan, now go back to front
>>537799397ok memeflag, refute any of the points
>>537797042balding somalians shit on polaks every so often thats why
**ALL** OOKRANIANS ARE PSYCHOPATHIC WASTE EXPELLED FROM BOTH POLAND AND RUSSIA MIXED WITH KHAZAR KIKES. THEY ARE NOT EVEN A REAL NATION OR NATIONALITY JUST RUSSIANS WITH A MENTAL DISORDER.
>>537797042If he knew what I know about hell he would not be so comfy with committing atrocities, but alas....
>>537797177faggots like you should be sent to the front.
>>537797042>Why does this man make piss dribble down fingolians legs?Seriously what's the issue. Get over it.
>>537799673Technically the only man he personally killed was Poland’s president in 1930s. The rest of the murders are from his gang after he riled them up to Fascist frenzy and they went crazy slaughtering people (he was in prison at the time because he wanted Ukraine independent and he outlived his useful idiot status to the Nazis).
>>537799966why do mutts constantly confuse ministers with presidents in European countries?
>>537799828Amerimutts always have the worst takes when they discuss Ukraine's self defense, please shut up, it's a war of White people defending their homeland from the shitskin Muslim, niggers, and North Koreans Jewtin sends their way which you can't relate to since your country became brown without a single shot fired.
>>537800198It’s a defense of Donetsk Soviet republic from NATO tranny forces led by a literal Jewish comedian who does comedy skits with his penis playing piano. Donetsk Repunlic and Lukhansk Repunlic are frequently called orthodox fundamentalist states that yearn for the Tsarist times (Dennis Pusbilin has compared Putin to the tsar and said it’s the rebirth of the great empire).
>>537799673Of course, his gang will be there too. They will be in a very...."intimate" relationship, as to say.
>>537800369Russia has the largest Jewish population in Europe just shut the fuck up with your 2022 talking points hurrdurr Jewish comedian president means White Ukrainians should be murdered while not a hair is touched on Zelensky's head. I hate Amerimutts.
>>537800603and ukraine is ruled by a kike. which explains, why ukraine is at conflict with Poland. There are no winners here
>>537799585Fuck off, it's not true. The problem is bandera, and bandera only. Not Ukraine
>>537800603>> The Head of DPR is Denis Pushilin, and its parliament is the People's Council. As a breakaway state, the ideology of the DPR was shaped by Russian imperialist nationalism, Orthodox fundamentalism,[19] and neo-Sovietism. Russian far-right groups played an important role among the separatists, especially at the beginning of the conflict.[20
>>537799966he didn't kill our president, but he did kill our minister. He was sentenced to death, alas, because we are oppressors of Ukraine and we fucking hate their guts, the death sentence was replaced with prison time. Had we killed him back then, we wouldn't have such problem nowadays. Alas, we are evil
>>537801054>> Had we killed him back then, we wouldn't have such problem nowadays.OUN-B especially after the war was always a British funded MI6 psyop. Ukrainian separatists would have been killing people regardless of Bandera who is merely the face of the movement.
>>537801050Why do you think I give a shit that ziggers like to LARP as feudalists?
>>537801168I know all of that. What makes me happy is that MI6 later betrayed bandera, and allowed him to be killed
>>537797177Haahhahahhahhahaha
>>537799375Why are you never talking about what soviet union did to you? did them splitting poland with germany get memoryholed or isn't included in your education or what? if you think bandera killed mole poles than russians you are a disgusting piece of trash.
>>537799080>errrmm uhhhh whatevor lolthe smartest 82nd airborne
QRD?
>>537797177>he only stopped raping my poor asshole at half depth instead of thrusting all the wayThis is what you sound like
>>537799226Historical figures are largely symbolic for whatever people apply to them. When the west cherished Churchill it was for success as a war president and not all the racist genocides. Russians and Chinese often look to figures like Stalin and Mao and cherish the wars they won and the nations they built. Bandera was clearly a fascist retard but he was also a big proponent of a fight for independent Ukraine and saw a lot of success on that front. Imagine Ukraine that was like the original Rus but got buttfucked left and right by different conquerors and then became a backyard for the more powerful Russia as they got russified slowly and treated like an abused retarded little brother. So a figure who fought and won some battles against that force was appealing.I personally would try to pick better icons but that's not how society with their history and emotional investment works. So sure people will attack Ukraine accusing them of not just pursuing sovereign autonomy but something more toxic but they'd do that anyway because Russia want their bitch back now that they woke up from their vodka and shock therapy induced 90's.
>>537804580Seething Finn. Absolute classic.
>~20-23 million people left (51 million in 1991)>hasn’t recovered an inch of ground since late 2022 >motivation so high abducting people from the street and hunting for them at funerals is now regular conscription method >living standard completely plummeted>most of resources gone, most of industry gone>state completely dysfunctional, surviving on foreign donations and loans >”Ukraine’s totally gonna be a nuclear great power right after they win11!!”Why are these people not hospitalised?
of poland’s three great men who was the greatest? pic related of course
>>537805274>and saw a lot of success on that frontWhere? What success? >original Rus’Bro most of that “state” was literally outside of modern Ukraine. It’s called “Kievan” Rus’ cause Kiev was the largest city at one point, but it wasn’t the only city nor was Grand Principality of Kiev the only polity. Between those days and modern Ukrainian nationalism (which timidly appeared in mid-19th century) there’s like 600 year gap. This isn’t even some disputed theory, not even Ukrainians deny this. They just ignore all these facts. They simply don’t acknowledge them.
>>537805274>Ukrainians were Russians but actually Russians Russified them and they are Ukrainians
>>537804580>never talking about what soviet union didhe's obviously a pidor shill. Most of what he said is just pidor propaganda and lies.
>>537800198I'm sure this post will age like fine wine and the jewish thugs running ukraine totally won't flood the country with third worlders
Also it was never a state in common sense of the word, more like a loose confederation of polities ruled by same dynasty. That same dynasty (Rurikids) literally ruled Moscow, became top dog among these disunited polities and then actually unified/recovered these lands between 14th and 17th century. Saying modern nations of Russians, Ukrainians and Belorussians share this heritage is one thing even if debatable. Claiming modern Ukrainians are the only true inheritors of Rus’ legacy and that Russians are some kind of imposters is batshit insane. That’s like saying Germans in Alsace-Lorraine are true Germans are Prussians are Slavic subhumans. It’s just ridiculous from every standpoint common to a sane person.
>>537805611>It’s called “Kievan” Rus’it was never called that until the 19th century russian historians started calling it by that name for ideological reasons. "Kievan Rus" is an academic construct to describe a period in history, not a country. According to the early chronicles, the name Rus' only applied narrowly to the northern parts of what is today Ukraine, specifically to specifically to the central principalities of Kyiv, Chernihiv, and Pereiaslav.
>>537797042we hate him because we see our own norwoodian reflection in him
>>537805274it would be symbolic, but ukraine uses this rhetoric right now, in 2026. I don't know if they think that we are oblivious or what, but we know how it ends, and it will be stopped beforehand
>>537806070>That same dynasty (Rurikids) literally ruled Moscowthis retarded russian propaganda that since some members of a dynasty ruled some lands makes those lands one peoples is just false. The members of the House of Habsburg (the dynasty) literally ruled most of Europe at one time or another, but that doesn't make Spaniards and Hungarians one single ethnic population.
>>537805377if you post stuff like that, at least don't turn logic into whore and post as russian. there's no way, an american knows who these people are.the reality is that we use these people as memes, they did kill russians, especially dzierżyński, but they hated poland as well, maybe except jaruzelski, but that's questionable.All of them were scumbags, and I can argue that the fact that they murdered common russians, doesn't make them heroes, they didn't kill any high rank russians, they just gave the fuel to common man russian (who is a normal person) a reason to hate us, because they were polishYou are disgusting, but then again, you always were.
>>537806287>ukraine uses this rhetoric right now, in 2026.what rhetoric, can you be more specific?
>>537806070Thing is, Poland was always more or less good-willed towards Ukraine. The fact, that they treat us like enemies, and they do everything to destroy us, our dignity and our place in Europe? That's disheartening to say the least. We are a catholic country. We forgive, but we never forget
>>537797177>t. self- hating Warszawka leftie
>>537806508>Poland was always more or less good-willed towards Ukrainekek, that's why Ukrainians rebelled against the Polish szlachta rule every chance they got. Poland literally enslaved Ukrainians (the folwark system) and considered them as second class citizens at best and subhumans most of the time.
>>537806315Rus’ weren’t “one people” in the same way French weren’t “one people” in 12th century. Or Italians. Or Germans. These groups spoke same tongue, shared religion, shared political experience, had similar institutions and had similar origin (being Slavs obviously). That makes them same people in medieval context. Divergence only happened due to external influence, namely Polish and Lithuanian rule in western parts. If you want gross simplification, “Ukrainians” are nothing but Polonised Russians living in areas ruled by Poland for most of history, nudged into separate identity by Austrian rule in 19th century. Now modern Ukrainian identity (post-WW1 onward) is a schizophrenic hodgepodge of pre-WW1 ideas, Bolshevik nation-building, post-Soviet confusion and external propaganda efforts. It’s completely incoherent, cult-like. Basically the only constant is that they’re not-Russian. Everything else is fluid. >>537806123You are correct.
>>537806458the rhetoric of ethnic cleansing and greater ukraine. I don't ukraine, but I am afraid of what they want to do. Poland was waiting for war to end, to discuss problematic issues, but Ukraine accelerated with their chauvinistic concepts, and it didn't end with simple gestures, they also started to undermine Poland at every point. Whether we are right at reacting or not, is another matter. But the fact remains - Ukraine revives the concepts from 1942, and if you don't believe me, google SS Galizien - they recently honored it (like a month ago, but you get the point)
>>537806508>Poland was always more or less good-willed towards UkraineThat’s just Polish nationalist mythology. Poles historically treated them as inferior. Prior to 19th century, differences in religion and language aggravated the issues of serfdom, which resulted in a proto-nationalist resentment.Not that the majority of Poles enjoyed much better status at that time.
>>537806685Newsflash Polish schlachta included>Poles>Lithuanians>Belarussians>UkrainiansOne of the Polish Schlachta>Jarema WiśniowieckiWas Ukrainian, but he killed other UkrainiansIt's not black-white that one side good, other side bad. Fuck, Poles who were murdered in Wołyń, were very well Ukrainian - they were cleansing themselves and their own part of history, because UPA told them so. You had people living in the same village for 200 years, and suddenly they started murdering one another. Let me explain how nationality worked in 19th centuryIf a girl was born - she's catholic, she's PolishIf a boy was born - he's orthodox, he's ukraineIN THE SAME FUCKING FAMILY WITH THE SAME PARENTSHow do you explain this madness?Amd you can criticize poland all you want all day, but you cannot ciriticize ukraine ever, beause it helps russia
>>537806965All of those groups were heavily Polonised (speaking for nobility).
>>537800885Pootins mother was a jew...
>>537806508>Thing is, Poland was always more or less good-willed towards UkraineAmazing thread guys keep the gems coming.
>>537806928Nigger, it wasn't nationality, it was caste.Nationality was a XIX invention. Before you had>Nobility>Jew (the real reason of the problem)>SerfsPolish-Lithuanian Kingdom - I want to remind that Poland wasn't the end all be all here, because Lithuanians were ruling there as well, especially in the king department, were doing decisions as well. It's funny to blame everything on Poland, but we were a multicultural country. What do you mean? Multiculturalism doesn't work? No shit sherlock
>>537797042>manwas't he a faggot?
>>537807059Was it forced, or did they think that it would improve their status? I have literally no hatred towards Ukraine. But I hate bandera cult. This, and only this. There simply are better heroes than that. And if Ukrainians want to sue Poland for mistreatment, they better not use bandera as a point, they can start with petlura
>>537806685>Poland literally enslaved Ukrainians (the folwark system)But the folwark system was applied everywhere in PLC. Considering the % of nobles with "ruthenian" background and size of their property, one could claim that "Ukrainians" (in XVI century? LMAO) exploited Polish and and Lithuan peasants.>Poland literally enslaved UkrainiansNice soviet propaganda you have there "john"
>>537807068And I fucking hate russia? Everything about russia is jewish, what is your point?
>>537797042Because he organized large killing of women and children.
>>537806965>>537807114Apologise for mistreating Ukrainians
>>537807114The line between poor nobility (szlachta szaraczkowa, "grey nobility"), rich peasants and urban merchants was so blurred that the lower classes larped as nobles on daily basis.
>>537807230They don't understand that before XIX century we had like, gazillions of speaks and language. Ukrainians? How about Pomeranians? Gdanszcianie? Kaszuby? Ślęzacy? Wielopolanie? Krakusy? Each one of them had different dialect.
>>537807075Polish national mythology goes like: PLC was a progressive borderline utopia and a bastion of democracy and noble deeds.In more prosaic terms it was slightly richer but more chaotic Catholic Russia, where boyars (szlachta) weren’t curbed by central government and then proceeded to run the nation into the ground. Most of population were serfs who were treated like shit. That’s the difference between Russian and Polish mentality today. Russians derive their identity from emancipatory identity crafted by Bolshevik revolution, who crushed Russian noble class. Poles derive their identity from their self-hating degenerate nobility, since Dmowski lost the ideological struggle with Pilsudski.
>>537807304Apologize for enabling them. Without the support of nazis, UPA / OUN would never have any way to do what they did. It's germany, with their SS GAlizien, to permit what happened. And then, you prisoned their balding cuck, and removed any hint of ukraine whatsoever. But you were happy, because ukrainians and poles killed each other. This is you, and this is your agenda
>>537807363Not really at all. The szlachta are kind of seen as a joke. We make fun of them all the time.
>>537806928>Prior to 19th century, differences in religion and language aggravated the issues of serfdomThere was no Polish state between the last years of XVIII and early XX century. "Ukrainians" were mistreated in regions that found themselves in Russian part of partitioning.Peasants in Russia were forcibly russified and treated like farm equipment.
>>537807260Honestly i dont remember. Did they stop sending the nigger migrants from belorus?
>>537807363No, it was flawed. But we can talk about it. But we were not praise>german / nazi collaborators>we will not excuse ethnic cleansingIf Ukraine really cared about argument, they would use Petlura. Somehow - they never mention him, as if he never existed. We would certainly apologize for that. But Nooooo. Better use bandera, who pisses everyone off, beside Poland, he killed everyone around the region. Just wait when belarus realizes that UPA also killed Belarussians, because that's a fact. How are you going to cope then?
>>537807363PLC was lolbertistan that felt eventually because of major issues with collecting taxes from rich nobility, those who ruled over large patches of the country.
>>537807193>was it forced Yes? Power was held by Polish nobility and if they wanted power they had to become Poles. It wasn’t ruthlessly forced of course, but it wasn’t some free choice either. Poles conquered Ukraine. Lithuania joined on different terms and thus had more “freedom” but even before that Lithuania was Slavicized.
>>537806688>That makes them same people in medieval context.no it does not. We have no record what languages people actually spoke in different principalities, how different they were because the only written language was the church Slavonic, an artificial construct based on Macedonian dialect with which Cyril and Methodius were familiar. If the graffiti in St. Sophia church in Kyiv tell us something, is that the spoken language in that are was close to today's Ukrainian and not russian. >Divergence only happened due to external influence, namely Polish and Lithuanian rule in western parts. wrong, the literary Ukrainian is actually based on the Kyiv-Poltava-Cherkasy regionaл dialect and not on some Polonized Galician dialect. All the foundational Ukrainian literature comes from authors in eastern and central Ukraine in the 17th-18th centuries, not the west of the country.
>>537807499We sort of stopped them, with the reluctant help of Lithuania (they hate us too). In the upcoming months, we will have to send military forces, to defend Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, against russian forces, and no, it's not a joke. russians are literally retarded to attack baltics right now, in the middle of ukrainian-russian war,because fuck it, why not. This is the kind of shit that we have to deal with, just please kill me.
>>537807534No, it wasn't forced, because it was easily bought. Gotcha nigger. That's why Bohdan Chmielnicki (despite being Polsih) fought on Ukrainian side, while Jarema Wiśniowiecki (pureblood Ukrainian) fought for Polish side. Not that you would get it. I don't
>>537807499They are arrested on daily basis. Belarus is basically failed state at this point. Luka is trying to avoid getting dragged into war but putin keeps causing new pressures. There will 100% be a false flag attack in next week. Everyone already said it
>>537806070Rightful Finnish clay
>>537807419No, this is your slavic, eastern-european nature. You guys simply can't live in peace. You can't stop killing each other. This is why your region is called bloodlands.
>>537807442However they are superficially treated, modern Poland is for the most part rooted in their heritage. >>537807444There actually was a Polish state in the first half of 19th century, it’s just that Polish king was also Russian emperor.>treated like farm equipment No different to how serfs were treated in Poland. Or Hungary. Eastern Europe had very similar institutions.
>>537807563>no it does not. We have no record what languages people actually spoke in different principalitieswe actually do, but majority of it will be in latin. just sayin. the same was in PLC. Polish language wasn't a thing until XX century, before we had dialects. and Pole-Rusin(not ukrainian)-Litwin was more of a politicial-religion-other matter. Poles were Catholics. Rusins (modern Ukrainians) were Orthodox. Lithuanians were fucking Pagans. They were the reason we had a war with german templars. Oh, we also harbored Tatars, Turks and kikes. It served us well in the end
>>537807534Yes and no. Ultimately the nobility themselves became victims of their own delusion and power fell into hands of powerful magnates. There wasn't so much a consciousness on a basis like how you are portraying it.
>>537807765They are a failed state, which is why Trump and others are still talking with them. At this point, sooner russia will fail, than luka
>>537797042Amazing diplomacy you retards have there in Kiev.Now every major news station had to explain boomers sitting in front of the TV what was Ukrainian UPA and what they have done.Here's a screen from French one. 6 minutes, prime time.Żeleński with this childish tantrum did more to spread the word than Polish Institute of National Remembrance.Now kick this clown out of Kiev and replace him with somebody competent. Poroshenko and Załużny seem to be more rational kikes than this midget.
When will the pigkraine stop losing?What's the skill issue?
>>537807887You are fucking smart. What Poland should do with Belarus? How should we behave? Show us your genius mind
>>537807816I don't really agree at all, there are some customs and expressions connected to szlachta but overall not really any actual basis as noble identity. Slavic customs in Pagan times were heavily decentralised, so tradition of independence etc is not really invention of 16th century. Probably most influential piece of both literature and film connected to nobility is ""With Fire and Sword" and neither portray nobility in exactly a positive light.
>>537797042Why do you even care, dude. You're about to become a part of USSR again and you're worried about us?
>>537807694>That's why Bohdan Chmielnicki (despite being Polsih)How was Khmelnytsky Polish?
>>537797042European nations should move on. We killed each other for centuries at some point we need to make peace.
>>537808022The cossacks were not ethnic group, they were mobile settler militias that evolved into permanent military settler communities similar to American militias in early USA history. The difference was cossacks leaned far more into martial heritage inspired by Raiders from Tatars etc but their makeup was many different peoples. He had technically Polish heritage
>>537807816>No different to how serfs were treated in PolandPeasants living in PLC were free and the richer ones could pretend to be impoverished nobility. Peasants living in Russia were slaves to the land owner. Slaves in a literal sense, that could be used for plantation niggers. You know how bad it is when XIX century Russian realistic novels describe it casually as the part of social order.The MonteNegro flag suits you well, because you are a nigger.Soviet propaganda trained you well though.
>>537807973You’re free to disagree, but as weird as that sounds I think what I’m talking about is easier to see when you aren’t Polish. That’s just the impression I get from Polish history.
>>537808031Well to be honest everyone has. Banter and shitposting is never going to end. Only russia wants endless wars but that is because they have a corrupt kleptocraric regime that needs endless wars to keep itself in power via a centralised intelligence agency police state with strong censorship laws etc.
>>537808022he actually was a polish nobleman and he was awarded land and rights, before he got ripped off. Then he sided with cossacks (mercenaries), and started attacking a particular nobleman. Said nobleman whined for support from the king, and the war started. But yes, Chmielnicki was Polish, he grew up in the more Polish-speaking parts of the land, he was raised there, educated there (as a nobleman, he wouldn't be educated in ukrainian back then, because ukrainian, along with other, dead dialects were speaken by peasents - there is a chance that my ancestors spoke something similar to ukrainian back then, despite being polish). Ukrainian nationality is something we accept, but it's history is still not fully defined by historians, because cossacks and ukrainians were literally different in every point. And yet, it doesn't stop ukrainians from claiming cossacks, just like it doesn't stop poles from claiming hussars, despite both not being part of the group. Welcome to medieval nationalities
>>537808197We romanticize Hussaria but even that not so much anymore. The concept of "hospitality" that exists in Polish culture was not a noble thing peasants also practiced strong guest right privileges that came more from pre Christian Slavic society than anything else in terms of influence. The PLC is regarded a tragedy of its own undoing. I cant think of single person I know that views szlachta as anything except self destructive and selfish.
>>537808190Once again with dumb nationalist myths. Serfs in Poland weren’t “free” and while it’s true serfdom in Russia became more dire by the end of 18th century, it was abolished like 60-70 years later. Serfdom as an institution didn’t exist since forever. It developed, aggravated (in Eastern Europe) and was then abolished.
>>537808190>Peasants living in PLC were free and the richer ones could pretend to be impoverished nobility.Not quite true, don't bullshit people. There were jews, who were employed by higher caste. Medievial PLC was caste-system, not language-system, not-national system. These things started being a thing in XIX century, long after PLC was divided between Russian rule, Prussian rule, and Austrian-Hungarian rule
>>537798900He has to go back
>>537808301So what if he was Polish nobleman? He was Russian (or “Ukrainian” if you want) by ethnicity. I do agree Cossacks had nothing to do with “Ukrainians” of that age. >>537808325I’m not denying that, but just cause they’re seen negatively doesn’t mean their influence isn’t present.
>>537808348>peasants were free after Bolshevik revolution speaking about fantasies
>>537808371Compared to most absolutist European monarchies of the era PLC had a bit more opportunity. Of course this was often cultivated on purpose eg a wealthy magnate would grant noble privileges to some guys who would in turn represent his interests at the sejm so he wouldn't have to personally attend etc
>>537797042Only the dead Slav is a good Slav.
>>537808371>Not quite true, don't bullshit people.Why nobility bothered with registering all family names, so no rich peasant or urban dweller could larp as a poorfag coming from the "grey nobility"? Because they did it way too often for the taste of fat cats.
Bandera was based. Pooles have insane victim mentality and that's why Pooland will never ever be a great nation.
>>537808507Ukrainian is actually quite accurate term for cossacks because they were never really part of either Muscovy or PLC despite attempts to win them over. it was unique phenomenon brought about by large territory of land that was largely settlers and had low influence from various royal courts and thus a separate identity grew around it of course rooted in early settlers militias which evolved into something more with time.As for influence of szlachta I simply don't see it. Nobody walks around in a kaftan calling himself a sarmatian outside of some expressions or jokes.
>>537808575This.
>>537808552Peasants were completely free in Russia since 1867. And I get your point. But Bolsheviks “elevated” peasants as an equal group, at least officially. I’m talking about culture here, national ideology, not really practice. In Russian Empire peasant could advance, but rather rarely. Soviet Union was literally ruled by peasants. Gorbachev and Khrushchev came from peasant families.
>>537808887The Soviet union was just a less organised tsarist empire which wound up falling back into tsarism with Stalin
>>537808715You’re forgetting about Don Host that had nothing to do with Zaporozhian Cossacks or Ukraine. And historically they were “Ukrainian”, just not in modern national sense. They lived in Ukraine that is.
>>537808507We are talking about people who>constantly did pogroms (killed jews, and yes, we gave them rights, alas...)>attacked villages and robbed them over>were mercenaries that had to be satiated with gold and shitYes, we used them. No, there was kievan rus, ruthenians, and other names. Ukraine is the most insulting, because it's an old polish world for outskirt, or rather, a place long after your ass. Zadupie.Could we do things better? YesShould we apologize? YesShould we work for our mutual future? YesToo bad that ukrainians don't feel the same, and instead, they feel like undermining us, and co-work with germany, as if we weren't aware of that. Let's say that Poland is a mistress to germany. And then come Ukraine and they pretend "we are mistress know", and germany tells us about it. This is ukraine.
>>537808887>at least officially.yeah the devil is in detailsSoviet union was run by kikes, the same one that financed russo-japanese war (japanese side) which led to another financial project due to the yuge success of the first one
>>537808887Soviet nigger confirmed
>>537808964That could be said for Stalinist period, with many peculiarities. Stalin was de facto, functionally, a Russian nationalist.As for the rest of Soviet history, no. Were there elements of Russian nationalism (particularly after Stalin)? Many, but it was hardly Russian Empire for many reasons.
>>537808614There are literally tracts about the title of nobleman being bought off. There was a massive corruption and there is something hilarious about the fact that PLC wasn't really that different from RP IIIPersonally, I accepted that this is part of our charm. We are too welcoming and too peaceful. And you can always count on some faggots who will kvetch about anyone trying to enforce the rules This is Poland - you're a free man, more than in USA
>>537809076>Soviet union was run by kikesNo it wasn’t. Jews lost any power they acquired by late 30’s. Following Great Purge and purges in late 40’s you’ll be hard pressed to find Jews in any high official position.
>>537809050>noooo how could Ukraine side with the liberatorsYou are retarded. The entire Poolish psych is wounded and constantly short-circuits. It will take many generations to cure the victimhood out of you people.
>>537809416define Ukrainian. What is Ukrainian. What are the words of the word "ukrainian"? Doesbeing Ukrainian invalidates other terms? Because there were multiple types of people living there. These lands belonged to Lithuanian part of PLC,because we were busy (and lazy) being where we were. Should we do more? Should we do better? Too bad that nobody holds higher standards towards British empire, who gave us JEETS, Germany, who destroyed europe and gave us two world wars. Russian empire, who doesn't give a fuck, just swallows everything. Imagine the fact that Poland has guilty conscience about Balts and Czecho-Slovakia. Find me another country, who gives a fuck about others. you won't. And that's why we fail. Because we should had been ruthless and just rule this region with iron fist. No nationalities, just one. Instead, we believed in freedom, the right to choose. We weren't always good about it, but that's the jyst of being Polish, even today. Poland will be the only country to defend Estonia, Finland will not care, and others will not care. But we understand the weight of our ancestors. Is it clear, bro?
>>537797042I only know who this fag is from Russian propaganda memes. He seems like the Ukrainian version of that Romanian nazi guy with the legionnaires
>>537797042Can't wait to see you get fucked up in an FPV drone video you estonian cocksucker
>>537809200>There was a massive corruption and there is something hilarious about the fact that PLC wasn't really that different from RP IIIRead some memoirs from RP II and you will realize how little things have changed since 1920
>>537809736You can say that about any modern nation history in Europe. Ethnicities have right for self-determination and Ukrainian people have decided to rule over themselves in their own country.Rest of your post is typical victimhood crying and commienigger talking points.
>>537809809Yes, that's what kills me. Keep in mind that next year, there will be elections. Do you know for whom will you vote? It's a rhetorical question, because I will probably sit this one out, until someone has an argument. But then again, at the same time, we did improve since the 90s, so it's like the system improves against its will. Fucking uncanny
>>537809787Nigger hands wrote that post.
>>537809416>PoolishWhat kind of Estonian are you?
>>537807766we should dump eu and nato and join our brothers and sisters in east? get rid of swedekikes in our lands too..
