Over time, capitalism will entail mass-immigration. This is an economic law. Why do so many conservatives have a tough time accepting this fact? Like them or not, a lot of libertarians are way more honest about this aspect of free markets, and will argue (correctly) that some form of open borders (whether permitted by law or not) will emerge under capitalist systems.It's quite easy to see why this happens, and to explain the process. It's a 100% inevitable outcome of the 'marketization' of the economy. A market economy entails globalization, the end of anti-trust enforcement (aka consolidation), and so on. The market does not want 'friction' caused by border restrictions. So, over time, those restrictions will erode.As long as market forces are given power over the economy, they will purchase whatever they need within the political process, and law/policy/enforcement will become a servant to the demands of the market. It's an economic law.And yet, many 'right-wingers' refuse to acknowledge these facts, or openly deny them. Why? By the way, the solution to all of this is a form of technologically-enhaced national socialism, but most people are too propagandized or retarded to discuss this in a mature fashion.
>>537817558>over time, this system that has been completely removed and replaced with bolshevik communism will cause immigration
>>537817629This is ultracope. And it's easy to demonstrate, since systems like the USSR or Mao's China did not have open borders. It was quite the opposite. You need to start thinking more clearly. Explain how free-market capitalism and closed borders can exist together. They can't, unless there is a strong central state which can overwhelm or veto the demands of the capital classes/Jews/etc.Otherwise, the capitalist system will naturally move toward the elimination of any barriers against capital accumulation and consolidation.
>>537817749wow im dumb
>>537817558Thats also how humans work. All of this deportation theater will be undone in 2 generations.
>>537817749first intelligent post I’ve seen on /pol/ in a while
>>537817749accurateliberalism = judaism
>>537817629FPBPRetards like OP can’t explain why this didn’t happen sooner. Reality is mass migration is directly downstream of leftist nigger worship.
>>537817749This is simply incorrect. Mass migration makes protecting accumulated capital harder.
>>537817749You need to explain to me how we don't have communism while practicing everything on this list(you can't, you'll just deflect and have the other discord troons in this thread agree with you)
>>537817558They like to squeeze 5 immigrant families into a single family home, thats called affordable housing. Whites dont usually have large families, so if it was a mutli family home it would have to be with other peoples families.
>>537817558I don't actually care because the left believes that browns are human beings and not merely the livestock that they actually are and have made it one of their core principles to protect the "rights" of these animals and obstruct any attempt to remove them from our country. Unacceptable. I will support whatever system views them correctly and seeks to remove them and their offspring. That system, whatever it is, is the only correct one.
>>537818807What do you mean by 'sooner'? The open-borders capital factions have existed in the US since the colonial era, and have gotten their way several times, like the Ellis Island era. Those eras were followed by temporary immigration reductions due to populist pressure and sometimes violence. On their own, the capital classes ALWAYS push for mass-immigration. From slavery to the modern age. It's nothing new. And over time, they are winning - just look at the demographics of the US today compared to the 1950's, during the era of the last big populist-driven immigration crackdown.
>>537817939(((Leo Sorokin))) is way ahead of you bud!
>>537818900We don't have 'communism' because the biggest economic actors in the American system are megacorps with loads of private capital. Is this a serious question? If you're not even willing to engage with the structure of the economy as it exists, you'll always end up in a bizarre fantasy-land of ideologies which don't correspond to real-world events.
>>537817558>Over time, capitalism will entail mass-immigration.KYS rabbi SocialistEveryone knows who funded the NGO's and "immigration" from 4th world shitholes.
>>537819087>the biggest economic actors in the American system are megacorps with loads of private capitalRight, communist party members who don't produce anything and got their money through wealth redistribution to loot the country
>>537817558US Leftist here, never voted Republican in my life.(1) You're a Jew. Wish I had more than 1 image allotment to bury you with.(2) No matter what race/creed/color, adding 14 million immigrants onto water/sewer/food distribution/supply chain infrastructure which was never designed to handle such influx causes objective problems. The racist would be YOU except your entire strategy is Jewish dominance via weaponized immigration. Why doesn't Israel take a million refugees? We know why.Image 1/4
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>>537818896The funding for that is public. Distributing the load down onto the plebs, as it were
>>537818896Obviously not. The biggest megacorps are all globalized transnational entities which push for open borders and immigration policies. That's because they want to reduce all barriers to their own economic activity, including enforcement against immigration. This should be obvious from the past several decades of real-life corporate history.>>537819094Modern capitalism is extremely Jewish, if you hadn't noticed. If you support 'capitalism' as an 'ideology,' that's what you get.
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>>537817558>Over time, capitalism will entail mass-immigrationnothe people determines what happens in capitalism. If you buy things from and invest in companies that try to drive wages down to increase profits for shareholders, than you will reap what you sow. Nobody is forcing the average american to invest for optimized ROI like a bunch of faggots but they do anyway
>>537817558Capitalism doesn't exist. That's a made-up jew term by Karl Marx. What does exist is just the free market, and that was ultra racist and kept foreigners out of every country for all of human history up until the kikes took over with their centralized banks and other big government nonsense that ended the free market, started picking winners and losers, stopped allowing freedom of association, and other crap that now gets blamed on "capitalism".Get rid of the jews, restore the free market, and immigration will not happen again, mass or otherwise.
>>537819196"Everything I don't like is communism" is a toddler-level understanding of the world. And it doesn't work. Because the response to communism in real-life (during the cold war) was to encourage free-markets, to develop open borders and trading blocs, etc. That was literally the west's 'cure' for communism. Capitalist West Germany with its Turkish and other foreign workers becoming more profitable than the immigration-restrictionist East.Do you see how this works? >Well, actually, West Germany was COMMUNIST!This is the kind of thing you'd have to argue to maintain your position.
>>537819398>"Everything I don't like is capitalism" is a toddler-level understanding of the world. And it doesn't work. Because the response to capitalism in real-life (during the cold war) was to remove free-markets, to develop open borders and trading blocs, etc. That was literally the west's 'cure' for capitalism.Do you see how this works? >Well, actually, West Germany was CAPITALIST!This is the kind of thing you'd have to argue to maintain your position.
>>537817558Objectively correct, I can guarantee without reading them that all protestations to the contrary ITT are some variation of "it's the Jews" or "it wasn't REAL capitalism"
>>537817558>capitalism causes communismWow. I wonder what communism causes.
>>537819398>>537819511Well now that you cunts both know that economic theories don't fix shitty people, we can have a better argument, right?
>>537819529>all the protestations to the contrary ITT are some version of "the sky is actually blue" or "water is actually wet"
>>537817558Dumbass commies. Glad I bought some ammo recently. Super heroes with guns and training are gonna have to save the day when SHTF.
>>537817558That's right. I'm a FUCKING. OPERATOR. And I aint got SHIT else to say
>>537819708Eventually when the current system is demolished and a free market capitalist system is re established to replace it, it's going accelerate human achievement in a way that will dwarf the renaissance.
>>537817558We already fought a war against importing cheap slave labor. Poland hasn't taken a single refugee its a choice like my body my choice, our nation our choice. Sorry if you dont like that, thats pretty much nature by now.
>>537817558>Over time, capitalism will entail mass-immigration. This is an economic lawThis is not true.It was a 1965 law which enabled mass immigration from shitholes. An act created by the Democrats.https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965The Hart-Celler act of 1965https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/89-1965/h125This was a deliberate act of demographic sabotage by The Left.
>>537817558>You see, the rules are set up this way, our hands are tied! What are we going to do, LEGISLATE??It is the government's job to set up safeguards to protect the nation from these issues.
>>537819016>open borders existed since colonial era No it hasn’t. Why do you fags always resort to revisionism to argue your dumb ideology. >>537819292This comment has no relevance to mine. >>537819299>obviously not Ok explain why capital is fleeing NYC. According to your theory it should be moving there to exploit the migrants.
>>537817558This is the highest iq post I've ever seen here. Will be igonored.
>>537818900We have almost none of these wtf are you talking about. You live in a fantasy world
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>>537817558>it's because of capitalism>just ignore all the mass migrations for the past thousands of years
>>537819978We have literally all of them lmfao you are a complete fucking goy
>>537817558Capitalism is an economic system. Immigration is a political decision. Different concerns. Capitalists who want cheap labor can be told no and still do other capitalisms. They'll have to deal. We're too used to giving them everything they want. But they can be told no.
>>537819954I'm not sure you're getting what is being argued here. In a capitalist system, there will be constant pressure from entities such as corporations to reduce or destroy barriers to their economic activities. This is a broad range of things, and it is not always 'reductive' or destructive; it can also be additive.For example, a lot of the early US river and canal system was built out due to private capital which sought to make it easier to transport goods. And that's fine. But you have to be able to see that the exact same logic applies to all realms of policy, including immigration. And, indeed, this is what we see in real-life. Which is always the ultimate test against which economic theories must be compared.
>>537817558People that want the criminal government to manage the means of production are fucking mutants that should be purged.
>Some random nobody has an opinion on twitter>OP writes a reddit-spaced reaction to it.
>>537820200>They'll have to deal. They 'deal' by bribing/blackmailing/purchasing politicians to bow to their demands. This is a long-term process, and the gradual result has been the demographic destruction of white America. Which is what my model predicts. 'The state' and 'the market' are not separable entities. They always closely interact with each other; the only question is how to manage those interactions. Capitalism as a system will always cede more power and money to the capitalist elites over time.
>>537819016The fact that there are that many counties in the US that are >95% White should be a whitepill. A lot of Klan rallies aren't even 95% White. 95% is extremely homogeneous, basically Japan tier. I don't think the US as a whole ever got above 90% White even at peak homogeneity a few generations after the Civil War but before non-White immigration really increased.Even just going from 95% to 90% significantly increases the number of counties. And it goes up exponentially after that, and virtually all of the US outside of the most highly concentrated urban ares and some racial enclaves is majority non-hispanic White.
>>537820245>im not sure you get what im arguing I know exactly what you’re arguing. It’s just retarded and wrong. You start with the conclusion you want (capitalism causes all issues) and work backwards to your argument. But the simple fact remains that America has been capitalistic for centuries, but was still predominantly white in the 1980s. Ergo, mass migration is the result of something else. Specifically, it’s the result of former Soviet Union communists immigrating to America and instantly inserting themselves into the institutions to spread their theories that crashed their former homes.
>>537818900Oh, surely you can help me find where my check for the earnings of factories are, right? You know in Vuvuzuela they had UBI because they sold oil and it was literally owned by the citizens, right? USA couldn't leave that alone. And my free healthcare? Why cant we centrally plan some party lead construction for a better power grid, we can do safe civil nuclear power, theres no oil lobbies even to bother us about it because we're totally communist, right? Hey if I lose my job and go bankrupt they bail ME out and not the corperations, right?
>>537820382>capitalism causes all issuesThat's not the claim being made. I am saying that capitalism as a system creates pressures against any sort of barrier to capital accumulation. This includes immigration laws. In the modern era of mass-transit and instant electronic transfer of money, those pressures become accelerated and intensified.I am giving a predictive model, and the prediction is that entities in a capitalist system will always and constantly be pushing for things like the reduction of barriers to immigration. Which is what we see.
>>537820128Serious discussions of real political and economic issues are impossible when people are this detached from the basic facts of reality. Destroying people's ability to use their brains and turning all discourse into a 0 IQ schizobabble contest between retards is the final victory of the glowies.
>>537820552Also, to be clear, i fucking hate Marx he's a fucking idiot, socialism predates him
>>537820567That’s exactly the claim you’re making. You know people are mad at immigration so you seek to construe it as caused by capitalism. All of you fags are exactly the same. Retarded and dishonest. Notice you keep dodging my question.
>>537820567> I am giving a predictive model, and the prediction is that entities in a capitalist system will always and constantly be pushing for things like the reduction of barriers to immigration.The entities that are currently pushing for open borders are also anti capitalist. The same exact people crying about immigrant rights are the people crying about the SpaceX valuation.
>>537817558Rightoids refuse to admit this because they are emotional and low IQ retards who can’t understand systems and logical conclusions. Most still don’t believe in evolution. Telling them a system that incentivizes greed naturally leads to the shittiest, greediest people in charge makes them shit their pants in anger.>we just need to make a failed artist incel dictator!Cope
>>537817749>Explain how free-market capitalism and closed borders can exist together.See: China's capitalist zones (aka, most of their coastal provinces).
>>537817558Capitalism vs socialism is a distraction. The modern world operates under Judaism. The Jewish debt based currencies and other financial instruments are the dominating force in the modern economy, everything else is secondary.
>>537820654You cannot have closed borders and a system which accords overwhelming power and wealth to capitalist entities such as corporations. Can't be done. That's what I'm saying. The question then becomes how to manage those corporations in order to reduce their power on questions such as immigration.My answer is national techno-ethno-socialsim. What's yours?
>>537820720China is a post-Marxist dictatorship, which is fine for them, but the power of capital and corporate power are both sharply circumscribed in a lot of ways.
>>537820786Yes you can. >my answer is techno-ethno-socialism A string of words that doesn’t mean anything. You people aren’t to be taken seriously.
>>537820245It's not 1988 and the current wave of migrants aren't seasonal Mexican farmworkers who didn't bother to fill out their paperwork.The millions and millions of illegals who entered the US in the last ~25 years didn't come here to work, and they weren't brought in by economic interests or rich business owners to be cheap labor. That's just leftist cope.The current wave of migrants aren't coming here for work, they are coming here for handouts. And they aren't being brought in by big business, they are being brought here by leftist anti-White (((NGOs))) that go into every shitty village in every third world shithole country, and tell everyone there that the US and Europe are so unbelievably rich that anyone can just go there and walk across the border and say they want asylum and get free money and housing and food and cars and cellphones and White women without having to work. Migrants claiming asylum (nearly all of them in the current wave) aren't even legally allowed to work until like 6 months after they officially file their application to get permanent asylum status.H1B and other similar visas should also be banned, but that is a completely different issue and a drop in the bucket compared to the insane numbers just walking in during the Biden administration.
>>537820716>Big corporations that lobby for H1B visas are anti-capitalist, actuallyYou've gone around the bend, buddy.
>>537817558Why is it that my threads that go into detail about why capitalism is actually a beneficial system always get zero replies, but this thread hits bump limit? Fucking leftypol pussies raid this board but ban me the moment I criticise their Marxist dogma.
>>537817558>>537820718The capitalism/communism dichotomy was created by left wing jews. Its not real. We do not HAVE to cede property rights to a bunch of leftists who want all white people dead. Nor do we have to select free markets as the alternative. We can just have, buy, and sell things with sensible oversight and interventions. Fucking idiot. There are left wing jews who want to homogenize the world and rule over it with “equity” (everyone must be stupid and weak), and right wing jews that just want palishit muzzrats out of their homeland and recognize islam as an invalid non-religion slated for eradication. Stop being a broad antisemite and pick the RIGHT side. MORON. You can starve and be killed by brown people for not being too stupid to succeed, or palestinians can get out. The DSA absorbed anti-zionism and now these are your choices.
>>537820877Explain why capital isn’t flooding NYC, retard.
>>537820877>big corporations want centralized control over legions of people who are weak, dumb, and subservientThat’s just communism in microcosm.
>>537820786He doesnt have ideas, he's just conditioned to bark at anything that threatens BlackRock's profits and he's not even aware of it.>>537820829Like he cant even read.
>>537820893> The capitalism/communism dichotomy was created by left wing jews. It’s not real. This is also very correct.
>>537817558Over time, that's the result of any system that doesn't lock jews out.
>>537821019Notice how these socialists resort to slinging mud when they can’t defend their theories. Maybe you can explain why capital isn’t flooding to NYC to take advantage of the mass immigration.
>>537820720China is not free-market capitalist. ~60% of all GDP is generated by state-owned companies, which includes all natural-resource extracting industries, infrastructure, power plants, utilities, and the banking sector. Most large private companies are partially owned by the state, and private companies that acquire big enough market share are nationalized. Smaller-scale enterprises are allowed to operate on a capitalist basis, while the "commanding heights" of the economy (see above) are centrally planned.
>>537821097No one said anything about free markets.
>>537820893>>537821031>The capitalism/communism dichotomy was created by left wing jews. This is correct. Confiscation of the I'll-gotten jewish wealth needs to happen. This of course does not imply communism. But that is going to be the narrative.
>>537817749Immigrationary capitalism can only exist in an environment with capital having the ability to make law, i.e. in socialist states. In a free market, capital would simply not have the control over the system they do today.
>>537819087>we don't have communisn because gigantic powerful oligarchs with political ties to the ruling parties run the economy!You, uh, wanna try that one again?
>>537820884Your threads probably aren't as good as you think they are
>>537821263Just wait until he learns that the entire housing market is subsidized and partially owned by the state.
>>537820913NYC has the largest urban area GDP in the world, depending on how China's Pearl River Delta is calculated. Literally what the fuck are you talking about?
>>537821433Answer the question. If capital is the cause of mass migration, why is capital fleeing the states most affected by said mass migration? According to your theory it should be the exact opposite.
>>537821133These guys did (>>537820720 >>537817749)
>>537821079You were asked a question and you ignored it and instead had a tantrum and pretended to not understand what he wrote. Im not who you were talking to but ill answer you question. I have no idea what youre talking about. NYC has 2300 companies worth $31 trillion https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/091114/worlds-top-financial-cities.aspIt's the single largest financial hub on earth. The stock market keeps hitting record highs because they know they'll be able to fire half their workforce in the next 10 years. That has not changed since Mamdani took office if thats what you mean.
>>537821433Also (and this is a critical distinction that many seem to miss), the corporate goal is not to 'maximize GDP,' but to maximize their own capital accumulation, which may have different effects on different areas and in different periods of time. If corporations can increase capital by abandoning an entire city like Detroit, they'll do it immediately. That's not their problem.>>537821494It isn't 'fleeing' New York. That's literally not happening; New York's GDP continues to increase:https://www.bea.gov/news/2026/gdp-third-estimate-industries-corporate-profits-state-gdp-and-state-personal-income-1stBut as noted, the goal of the corporate classes is not to 'increase New York's GDP;' it is to remove barriers to THEIR OWN economic conduct. Effects on New York or anywhere else are irrelevant in that context.
>>537821542Do you think America is a free market?>>537821636Notice how these socialists resort to obtuseness when confronted with simple facts. https://www.timetrex.com/blog/the-great-ny-wealth-migrationLike I said, if you were correct this would not be happening. >>537821665>it isn’t fleeing New York Yes it is. Stop coping.
>>537821172Lol. Here we fucking go. >Guys, what if the solution to corporate power is to... remove all limits on corporations???Maybe I should start with some fundamental explanations about how power actually operates in human societies, why it tends to accumulate in certain ways, etc. Needless to say, you won't get closed borders by giving market participants infinite freedoms.
>>537820786>national techno-ethno-socialsimThe techno and ethno parts are redundant and unnecessary.Normal National Socialism has a very strong emphasis on racial homogeneity and racial purity putting the interests of the nation/volk first. That's the primary distinction between NS and other forms of facism where there is less of an emphasis on national/racial purity. It's also the primary difference between National Socialism and kiked marxist communist internationalist socialism. Under NS, racial/ethnic/cultural/religious etc homogeneity means that the values/goals/interests of individuals will naturally align with each other. The Nation is primary, and the State only needs to strengthen it by supporting the natural bonds and shared values of a People. One of the main reasons why the Soviet Union and almost all communist states fail is because they have too many different, competing rival ethnic/racial/cultural groups whose interests DON'T naturally align. The State becomes primary, and evolves into totalitarian dystopia to repress the various racial and ethnic identities because they compete with the State for importance and primacy.The Chinese more or less successfully dealt with this issue by basically making Han Chinese the one primary race/nation and making all of the other ethnic groups in China assimilate or else.I'm not sure if the "techno" in National techno ethno socialism is referring to technocratic ideas or just an emphasis on technology in general, but either way it's also redundant to regular National Socialism, unless you are talking about full blown Technocracy where scientists and engineers are given full control of the government.
>>537821688You don't seem to fundamentally understand the arguments being made here. Let's go back up the chain a bit - how does the specific disposition of 'NYC's GDP' (which is increasing, by the way) affect the generalized claim that capitalist systems will generate entities which seek to eliminate barriers to capital accumulation, including immigration laws?What is the connection you are attempting to make? I don't see it. I don't see how a city's GDP being X or Y would affect this debate at all.
>>537821494>why is capital fleeing the states most affected by said mass migration?And what's happening the states you claim capital is fleeing to, anon?https://www.thequint.com/news/world/georgia-becomes-first-american-state-to-pass-resolution-condemning-hinduphobiaThese are GOP states in the deep south. How are the communists making them import trillions of Indians?
>>537817558Capitalists (especially those with wealth, who benefit the most from it) love to gloat about how great this shitty fucking system is but the fact is it has always profited off the worker, who is often poor and worked in dogshit conditions and wages until the government had to step in and make labor laws.they got rid of slaves and then moved onto children for workers lmao. SHITTY fucking system that is rightfully going away soon.
>>537821942lol back to gaslighting Why is capital fleeing the states that implement pro immigrant policy? Your theory says it should be the opposite. https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/20-companies-moved-california-texas-020819012.html>>537821949Look at how they gnash their teeth when you point out this simple fact that the flow of capital is tangible, traceable, and indicative of policy.
>>537822014Good news, it already went away and has been gone for several decades
>>537822036Individual states in the US don't have immigration policies. US immigration law is federal. So, once again, what the fuck are you even yammering about? To make matters worse, your claim isn't even correct, since Washington (state) had the fastest GDP growth in the US last quarter. That includes the far-left ultra-woke city of Seattle. California has generated entirely new trillion-dollar firms like Anthropic during the 2020's. Texas is a nonwhite shithole. Texan firms are just as bad at demanding mass-immigration as any others.You don't seem to know what you are trying to argue, or why.
>>537821942States that work to keep their migrant class in the country experience the most loss of capital. Why is this? https://www.illinoispolicy.org/highest-earning-illinoisans-fleeing-state-at-fastest-rate/States that fight ICE don’t seem popular for capital. States that work with ICE are very popular with capital. >>537822179>individual states don’t have immigration policy Yes they do. They choose to fight federal immigration enforcement. Notice the socialist always resorts to gaslighting when they are on the back foot.
>>537821688>https://www.timetrex.com/blog/the-great-ny-wealth-migrationOh wow I actually laughed out loud in real life. Did you not read this? "$4.5bil deficit" thats literally just a lie, he inherited a 12 billion dollar deficit, and then one month after your article came out Mamdani released his budget. The decision is $0. >but muh pensions!Yes, I am happy that the HR lady for the department of overseeing and compliance of inter- whatever is no longer getting a pension that a brick layer who breaks their body never gets to have, can now just live off her fucking SSI like everyone else. Let us have pensions again or shut the fuck up about yours.>but muh rich migration!Yeah, thats why we need to eliminate all taxation on those making under $75k at least, raise taxes on corperations federally (they can dodge them by paying higher wages and competing for the best talent! Like the '50's!. If they wanna leave the country, then we need to enforce the already existing treason laws we have if they try to extract us and and take it all to a foreign country.You're fighting ghosts.
>>537822386>Mamdani balanced the budget >by getting a loan from the stateI too balanced by budget by just putting it on my credit card. You people are incredibly stupid. It’s so hilarious.
>>537822036>Look at how they gnash their teeth when you point out this simple fact that the flow of capital is tangible, traceable, and indicative of policy.Yeah, and it turns out that all the capital flooding into these BASED states is demanding H1-Bs and flooding the states with foreigners and those state governments fully support it at the highest level. "B-b-but ICE", nigger these companies aren't running farms, they don't give a shit what happens to Paco as long as they can bring in Ranjeet and outsource customers service to Mumbai.But let's be honest, you know the actual reason they're leaving liberal states is because they want the billionaires to pay up, so they go to the red states where the governors open their assholes for them and then 10 years later the right is scratching their head at why Georgia is a purple state now.
>>537822650If capital preferred mass migration they wouldn’t be moving in the first place. Try to keep up.
>>537822688To repeat myself: why are all these states capital is running to importing trillions of jeets? Why do you have giant Hindu statues in Texas? Why is Greg Abbot saying Indians are welcome in Texas? Is this what the conservatives want, or is it what the capital flowing into the state wants?
>>537821688>>it isn’t fleeing New York>Yes it is. Stop coping.Do you know how little $76 billion is compared to $31 trillion? That's the ammount the companies choosing to stay are worth. They all pay a corperate tax direct to the city. I want you to prove you can do basic math so I'm challenging you to tell me what percent of 31t is lost if you minus 76b. If you have another tantrum I can spoon feed you.
>>537822688This is an insane level of delusion. >Capitalism doesn't mean corporations will try to evade immigration laws, goy! Texas is still 40% white! What are you complaining about???
>>537822846To repeat myself: capital wouldn’t be fleeing those states if it desired mass amounts of migrants. >>537822859So you finally admit that it’s happening. Good. Baby steps in educating the socialist.
>>537822897You’re coping, which is why you refuse to answer the question. If capital prefers mass amounts of migrants, why are they leaving such places?
>>537819398>"Everything I don't like is communism" is a toddler-level understanding of the world.yet you seem to think that everything you dont like is capitalism.You are just a retard dude. america doesnt even have capitalism. if it did you guys would have let the banks fail in the banking crisis. You wouldnt be paying for illegals welfare either.The fact is that american tax dollars are used on "social programs" for brown immigrants is a literal redistribution of wealth. which is communism.> It's a 100% inevitable outcome of the 'marketization' of the economyits not. you are just a brainwashed retard.>Explain how free-market capitalism and closed borders can exist together. with laws.You seem to be under the impression that if a system can be corrupted then it is invalid. I got bad news for you buddy. No system is immune to corruption, so you are either a secret anarchist or just a fucking retard.>bro humans are corrupt, thats why we need the government to have coomplete control of the internal markets of the countryis the government run by aliens then? they are so pure? The primary purpose of a federal government is to protect the citizens from foreign influence, whether that be foreign soldiers, criminals, or businessmen. free market capitalism does not equal free market global capitalism, to think otherwise is a result of globalist brainwashing.
>>537822898>capital wouldn’t be fleeing those states if it desired mass amounts of migrants.You're right, it's not fleeing because of migrants, it's fleeing because of taxes and then demanding the states they go to import jeets.If you can't understand that then you're hopelessly delusional and desperate to pretend the state of your country isn't because of profit seeking capitalists.
>>537822846The same reason the USSR imported fuckload of dingdongistan to work at their putrid factory. Labour. Soon China will receive the same fate.
>>537817558We know who and what brought non Whites into the US and Europe. It wasn't economic demands. It was direct subversive politicking from anti Whites, mainly Jews. The polices, propaganda, and written advocacy for it is all a confabulation of Jews and specifically Jews that were attempting to undermine White Nation states. Economic and political models have nothing at all to do with it. It's direct militaristic action by a foreign power/invader. And, guys like you are there number one chumps. They blow smoke up your ass about social inequality, economic robbery, and better, socialistic models. But, all of that shit is married to subversive, anti White agenda intent on destroying the country and causing the issues it's the supposed cure for in the first place.
>>537823001> You're right, it's not fleeing because of migrantsYes it is. The migrants vote for socialists which tax the capital to continue paying welfare for the mass amount of migrants. Thus proving that capital has an aversion to third world migrants flooding their homes.
>>537822930You seem too slow for this debate, but I'll try and explain it in simpler terms - Texas is not a white state. If corporations actually DISLIKED open borders/mass-immigration, they would specifically be locating in the very whitest states, which are Maine and West Virginia.That is not happening. The biggest states by GDP are California and Texas, neither of which is white. Both of which have taken in MILLIONS of foreign immigrants. As the model I laid out in the OP predicts. I don't think I can simply this any further.
>>537822846The area of Oregon where I live went from almost 100% white to Jeetville as soon as the tech companies moved here.
>>537823066More gaslighting from the retard. So I’ll ask again, if capitalists love mass migration, why are they leaving states that promote mass migration and protect migrants from deportation?You can’t answer this question. You prefer to deny reality instead.
>>537822460Are you lying? It wasn't a loan, it was a new tax on those over $500m that he got the govenor to agree to. He doesnt pay it back. Show me proof that it's a loan he has to pay back and not a tax on your owners and ill happily conceed that he shouldn't have done that.https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/mamdani-balanced-york-citys-budget-194020907.html
>>537819094>Everyone knows who funded the NGO's and "immigration" from 4th world shitholes.The corporations that wanted 'cheap, easy-to-deport and cannot unionize' labor.
>>537822973>america doesnt even have capitalismThe US has the RESULTS of a capitalist system which has generated large corporate entities which can in turn lobby on their own behalf and impose their will via money and other means. The US does not have a theoretical paper version of 'free market capitalism,' because such a thing is impossible. I am saying that the things we see today in 'corporate America' are exactly what we can and should expect a capitalist system to generate over time, in the absence of a stronger force to keep it regulated.
>>537823065Capital's inability to predict the people they import will eventually vote against their interests doesn't change the fact those people are only there because capital wanted it. Again, are you saying Texas is full of Indians because conservatives want it? How did they get there?
>>537817558The world divide in two groups of people, the masters and the slaves. The distinction is very brutal; masters are those with the ability and the will to try to achieve what they want, and the slaves are those without who can only cope.The shape the world takes is the result of the masters competing to achieve things. and civilizations run over a specific recurrent patternMen compete through violencea winner emerges, then snowball, they found an empirewith an empire comes richness and abundance. and leverage, why risk life in war for things you can achieve in a safer way? It is stupid, hence a new phaseMen compete through the marketa winner emerges, then snowball and gain an unshakeable dominant positiononce all blue markets are taken and developed, it becomes increasingly difficult for new generations to rise through the market. Hence a new phaseMen compete through systems,Men who offer the best rules governance eventually win, creating a machine that optimizes the masses. But systems breed their own poison: tradition broken, success leads to population growth, a ceiling of resources, space, and logistics. When the system can no longer expand, it can only be manipulatedMen compete through deceitMen can only rise by convincing others of something they aren't. The bigger manipulator winsonce the civilization is too full of viles in positions of power and citizens seeking excessive hedonism, it becomes dysfunctional and weak. inner or external enemies use violence and restart the cycle-Capitalism is a word commies invented to describe the final phase of competition through the market. They invented this word to try to pass the concept that competing and accumulating the riches through the market is an anomaly, to try to sell you their system as a solution.Mass immigration is a thing of the end of the vile phase; the importers don't truly care about political colors. Watching Kaly Yuga through the *iIsms lens is incorrect
>>537823117It was literally a bailout lmao. https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-hochul-and-mayor-mamdani-announce-additional-aid-and-state-actions-stabilize-new-yorkYou people are so stupid it’s so funny.
>>537823155If capital wanted them there they’d stay there. The simple fact of the matter is socialists want them there to vote in their elections. This is why capital flees these areas.
>>537823181>>537823117> Governor Kathy Hochul and Mayor Zohran Kwame Mamdani today announced new state support and actions to help New York City close its budget deficitSo I guess you could argue that Hochul balanced NYC’s budget for Mamdani.
>>537817558Why are the immigrants from lands with shit gdp?
>>537820381That percentage can drop like a stone if you become a focus of immigration and don't have the birthrates to make up for it.We were like 97% homogeneous in the 70s and in half a century we are already down to 85% (it's actually likely already below 80% since the government statistics are very loose on what they consider an ethnic spaniard) and the replacement is only speeding up.I grew up at a very rural area that was litterally 100% spaniard and now even there there are tons of latin american families and some arabs now. Also, the only spaniards left are all over 50 from back when all the jobs weren't concentrated at the blobalized major cities. Of the 70 people I graduated highschool with, I'm pretty sure only 10 or so stayed/returned, and on almost every case it's because their parents own a business or because they became a cop, teacher or some other government worker job. There are very few rural jobs remaining and they are done by desperate 3rd worlders who will accept litterally anything as long as it allows them to stay in the country and survive.
>>537822898Oh my god. You couldn't devide the two numbers. I now feel bad, you are clearly mentally handicapped and I no longer want to participate in something this embarrassing for you because I don't think thats right. You cant even comprehend the numbers. $76 billion is nothing, its already been replaced and surpassed with the valuations of the companies that stayed alone.
I've been telling you retards this for years, you idiots are always behind.
>>537820838What a load of horseshit
>>537818807Because the immigration restrictions of the 1920s, or other immigrant restrictions like the Chinese Exclusion Act, were done by socialists and labor activists. Socialism was a prominent force from the 1910s-1940s, and Roosevelt was a prominent socialist. The 50s still had socialism too, just under a different name, and the Red Scare helped keep immigrants out because it (mostly correctly) presumed it would let in Chicom and pro-Soviet spies. Immigration restrictions are incompatible with free market capitalism because restricting immigration is essentially a tariff on labor and therefore distorts the market.
>>537817558Doesn't realize AI will soon replace 90% of white collar jobs causing a catastrophic drop in demand for blue collar jobs.
>>537818807Mass migration is because of jews.
>>537820838Do you just not leave the house? Do you not work or buy services? They arrive with the job offers in hand, at least if they're from India. Illgeals coming up from the southern border are absolutely working, they are the majority in construction, agriculture and processing plants. Can you show me evidence of this civilization breaking mass amounts of welfare money the illegal aliens are receiving without you crashing out and not giving any evidence? I will happily update my knowledge and agree to that being a problem to be fought against if you can.
rightoids convinced themselves that multiculturalism is communism even though every communist state is an ethnostate
>>537817629Uber migger cope
In captalism there's 2 forcesThe companies trying to accumulate capitalAnd the state who makes sure their population isn't getting turned into pasteRight now only one of those parties are doing their job.
>>537817558Unbridled capitalism is Jewish oligarchy
>>537817558True post by ops image.
>>537824250>Can you show me evidence of this civilization breaking mass amounts of welfare money the illegal aliens are receivingMedi-cal is a massive $800 billion/year slush fund entirely geared to feeding illegal immigrants money. You can sign up without a social security number or proof of residence. Of course this totally pays for your health care, but through medi-cal you can also get-- Free food-- Free counseling-- Rent subsidy, housing subsidy-- Literally just handed wads of cash Every single page of their mailers reasurres you this will NOT affect your immigration status, dual-language spanish for everything. Of course, every single mailer comes with a voting registration form in spanish
>>537817749He’s right.
>>537823153>The US has the RESULTS of a capitalist system which has generated large corporate entitiesFun fact but under the original, un-jewed American system, corporations are straight up not allowed to exist.
>>537823248Literally "Yes.", cooperation yields more impactful results than being atomized, please internalize that and maybe they'll be hope. He told her what tax rates to pass and she did it. He was a leader that took from LITERALLY this specific man in this image and gave it to his constituents. full marks. Stay mad. You lost. At least LOOK at who you are the yapping lapdog for.
>>537824530If you wondered how 10 million illegal immigrants somehow afford living in the state with the highest cost of living in the world, stop wondering.This is just the tip of the iceberg>they will live 100 to a house, each dividing up their square-meter of sleeping space, so their rent is practically nothing>the husband will pretend to be divorced from the wife so she can scam all the single-mother benefits>they work 'under the table' and pay no taxes, but they can file a tax return with $0 and get huge benefitsThere is a massive constellation of groups sending them frequent mailers coaching them how to do all of this
>>537824542show me a working capitalist system with no open borders, then show me a communist system that isn't an ethnostatethe jew convinced you that his cock was candy, and he barely even tried
>>537824667Why are all these seemingly unrelated programs bundled with a healthcare organization? Because it's just being used as a 'slush fund', money for them to use however they want to use it.
>>537824530https://budget.house.gov/press-release/california-to-spend-84-billion-this-year-on-health-care-for-illegal-aliens$8.4 billion a year is going to illegals, I will NOT say "only", any ammount isnt acceptable, but it is not $800 billion. My hatred of California is equal to yours, I promise.
>>537820718How is value determined?
>>537824763Oh your article proves wrong all my life experience? Not likely. I think your article is fucking bullshit and the government has no idea what they're doing as millions scam the system.
>>537823153>corporate America' are exactly what we can and should expect a capitalist system to generate over time,Which is why both Japan and China have the exact same corporate bodies and entities while still keeping foreign immigration rate extremely low compared to both European and American. The delusional pink anon is right. You are extremely retarded to the core and cannot support your original premise for shit.https://geofactbook.com/compare/japan-vs-united-states
It's the same bullshit with the expanding audience shit in entertainment and media. Any company looking to make products with the intent of making profit will try and expand their audience. It's inevitable, and won't stop as long as the system requires it.
>>537824555>cooperationLmao Hochul is a zionist and memedani is a jewish bootlicker just like Trump. Congrats on moving the goalpost btw>hurr durr muh poojeet successfully balanced the budget!>ok he make loan>ok he make bailout>ok he retarded just like muh retarded poojeets ass but cooperation is good!Can't wait for Mamdani to publicly support jewish interest yet again.
>>537824978I wouldn't equate economic standards of the manufacturing industry with the entertainment industry though. The latter at least still can produce indie games and AA games that can sell a million copy.
>>537824763>>537824821For the record, the children of the illegals are the "cash cows". The more children they have, the more benefits they can get. While the illegal immigrant father might not get benefits directly, through the anchor babies they basically can. That might not count as "money for illegals" but it's basically the same thing1) Every single mailer is in spanish, with a voting form printed in spanish. ***Every mailer comes with a voting registration form*** even the routine mailers.2) When I get my hair cut by a hispanic woman, she immediately launches into a tirade because the government changed line 26 of page 542 of their benefits package. Why do hispanics have this extremely detailed, intricate knowledge of the benefits system and how everything works? Most white people have no idea.3) I have literally been told straight to my face by illegal immigrants that I knew, that they go driving around from district to district voting dozens of times in elections
>>537817558>>537817749>commie smugly informs you that mass immigration is a hecking evil billionaire plot against the workers to reduce their wages and living standards>commies also literally get into life and death struggles with feds in defense of that billionaire plot stoping them from throwing out immigrants reducing the wages and living standards of the works
>>537821172In a truly free market, policy is a commodity. If anything can be bought and sold, then eventually the guy with the most cash will rig the game further in his favor. Its simple game theory>Yeah goy, im totally gonna respect the governments wishes and never lobby them ever.
