Is it really that hot in Europe at the moment?A price of 5,000 euros is absolutely crazy.
Similar products cost less than 210 euros in China.
Even the most expensive air-conditioner model from Midea costs just 724 euros.How on earth does Europe manage to sell a rubbish portable air-conditioner for a staggering 5,000 euros?
>>537832524>>537832531Hey OP. Try this next time. Go to german google. Type in midea AC. Now you wont post stupid shit like that again.
>>537832632You are full of shit though
>>5378325245 euros is very cheap.
>>537832524Here is your exact 3.5 kw modelIts not 5000e
>>537832531This is 80e here. So you pay double over there. And midea is chinese company. Wow
>>537832695This item is definitely not worth 849 euros.At least 50% of the price is made up of import taxes.Why don’t Europeans install air conditioning when they build houses?As a result, when the weather gets hot, everyone scrambles to find an air conditioner first.
>>537832821I have 3 of those in my homes for decades, normal walled ones. I dont know what you are talking about everyone I knw has several. I do know you are full of shit on prices.What we can see its opposite. Germany is cheaper than China for mideas portable AC.For example 200e unit in china vs 80 for same thing in Germany. Meanin your entire thread premise is n9t only wrong its diametrally opposite lol
>>537832808lies and cope
>>537832821>This item is definitely not worth 849 euros.Market fluctuates. People are living things thats why it works and why you in china moved to than opposed to before when you planned and killed birds
>>537832929Check it yourself then. Google
>>537832821I'm guessing their houses are old and they didn't need air conditioning when the house was built.
>>537832940wtf?This price rise is ridiculous.
>>537832524Window must be fully shut.
>>537833025Its nit. Every year there is a spike like that. If you look at same graph you will see even bigger spike on the left side, you should have clipped that one ots larger than this on the right side.Anyway. OP is wrong.
>>537832997Or they don't need one, or they are rentoids and aren't allowed to install one, or they live in a historic building and aren't allowed to deface the façade, but that's mostly the case for Northern Europe. In Greece they are pretty ubiquitous nowadays, and by that I mean a mini-split in every room. In the 90s, it was commonplace for most apartments to have at least one mini-split installed. We had ours in the living room, my friend's parents had one in their bedroom, etc.
>>537833190People in norway dont have them so americans think all of europe is completely unaware that ac even exists. Its like they never go to mediterranean on hollidays.
>>537833025The German guy is also full of shit. These things used to be 300 now they sell them for 1400. Germanistan has this culture where the MUST suffer. And then they are prooud of it and defend it. Its really ingraned in their brains. Swiss germans have this too and its so tireing. They are proud of having a shit gov. Shit laws. Shit life quality. Like that is something to be proud of because it "builds character" or whatever the fuck they tell themselves to fall asleep in their 40C bedroom. They will actively attack you for pointing out that their entire system is retarded and at this point exists just to fuck the average German over at every corner. They will fight and die on that hill. Its all so tiresome.
>new board shill topic is airconthis one isn't even good you stupid trannies
>>537832524"portable" acs like that suck dick, do euros not have window AC units? They work so much better, and are more out of the way.
>>537833123>Every year there is a spike like that.Air conditioning prices really shouldn’t be rising to this extent. €1,400 is absolutely ridiculous.It’s simply not normal for the same thing to happen every year, unless all air conditioning units in Europe are 100% imported.
>>537833394>window AC units?'Ave a loicense for that, mate?We'll ring the authority, just to make sure.
>>537833394minisplits are the norm. people not having them is either because they can't afford them or because they wait until June to get one and all the certified installers have huge backlogs.
>>537833422Meh. We can afford it. Like I said. I have 3 normal wall ac units. My issue is your lies.You said 5000e for 3.5kw its a lieYou said small ac in china is 200e we found same here for 80.These 2 are my issues. You made a thread.You lied.You were proven to be lying.You pretend to not notice it now and you talk about 1000e not being wrong completrly ignoring your 5000e claim lie.Dont lie gay boy
>>537833422>Air conditioning prices really shouldn’t be rising to this extent. €1,400 is absolutely ridiculous.They don't. The midea portapotty is the exception due to its uniqueness. Mini splits are dirt cheap.
>>537833594>We can afford it.You shouldn’t have to put up with all this, mate.It’s just a robbery.This is an air conditioner, not oil.
>>537833579>Certified installers Wut?????????
>>537833784We lost the war. USA makes us do shit we dont like. Only way to do what you say is to be sovereign. to be thay you need to be able to defend yourself. we cant we can only do nato help us.
>>537834238The deal was hey guys communism bad it will win you do economy and we do war stuff and together they soviets cant match it. Later amrricans just said hey we have all the war stuff and soviets are gone so now everyone just do what I say.
>>537832524I had over 25°C tonight in my bedroomAs a brown-haired brown-eyed nordic aryan, this actually made me dizzyLuckily my Midea (900€) arrived just today and I only hope its not defective after I drag an unpack 65 kilos through my whole house
>>537832695Now post the in store price, not some out of date interweb add. We know how you department store jews operate.
>>537832524oofif it has to be removable, probably cheaper to buy pic related, get hangars and tubing made up for a custom fit through a window.
Did you know French people have bizarre Korean like ideas about air conditionersThey think of you come inside from brutal heat into air conditioning you'll have a stroke or something lol
>>537834610Split systems have to be installed by an electrician here, hard wired in with an fuse.
>>537834610You need special equipment and coolant to install these
>>537834610Oh and don't ever buy a Samsung aircon, they're crap. They're all crap actually but Samsung excell at the crappiness.
>>537832524ACs are for the weak
oh look another marketing thread by Midea. fuck off.
>>537834712Any reason why the hard wiring can't be next to the window where you want to hang the outdoor unit?
>>537833912>Certified installersI’ve heard that air-conditioning installation services in Europe are monopolised by trade associations.If you want to have an air-conditioner fitted, you must choose an air-conditioning engineer who is a member of a trade association. Prices range from a few hundred to several thousand euros.If you choose to offer air-conditioning installation services at a low price without obtaining a trade association licence, the European trade associations will actually call the police to have you arrested.The extremely high installation costs are also one of the reasons for the low penetration rate of air-conditioning in European countries.
>>537836136that is germany. They are retarded like that. I bought my AC in china. Brought it back in the plane and installed it myself. Fuck this noize. Chinkanon I dont think you realize how cucked the germans are. Like the other germanon said: They lost the war. What else is there to say ? Dont lose next time I guess.
>>537833025it's just an idiot tax for people who cannot plan ahead but only ever buy things when they are in strong demandanyone who isn't functionally retarded would just buy an AC in winter, instead of the peak of summer
>>537836259Why do you hate Germany so much, Swiss bro?
>>537832524>chink with shopped picturesneed to improve your social credit, Wang?
>>537836444Caus their retardation permeates to Swiss Germans and because of that my life is harded : Eg we cant build centralized AC in our houses Switzerland because "its bad for the environment" (courtezy of Swiss Germans).Meanwhile 60% of the electricity comes from Dams in the alps and everyone and their mother is buying the shitty "removable" ZERO efficiency models for 1400 Euro instead.What kind of bullshit is this? Its a free country. I spend money for my electricity and spend it any way I see fit. What the fuck is this German mindset of the governement being your mom and telling you what is bad? Fuck off with this Germanic bullshit its a free country.I love germans but their mindset when it comes to Government is utterly cucked since 1945. They will literally destroy their country (and make everyone's lives actively worse) to have "the moral high ground". Whatever the fuck that means in their 80IQ sculls.
How come there's like 2 or 3 portable models in existence like the Midea that are split?It's the way to go, and that shit already existed in the 80's, but disappeared for less efficient shit. The only other splits that exists are for camping car, but unsuited for homes obviously as they'd be too small.What the fuck is wrong with the market. Why did it shift to retarded inefficient not-splitted shit.
>>537832695thats so sad. sorry
>>537832524How much does a suckysucky cost in Chyna?
Just paid £250 for an Olimpia Splendid compact 9 SS. Am I gonna make it?
After years of quietly suffering through heatwave after heatwave, I finally gave in and bought an AC this spring. It cost me 930 euros, including installation. I've been blasting it nonstop for the past two weeks and it's a godsend.
Unaffordable to run here in the UK regardless of the upfront price.
MIDEA IS BEING SUEDTHEIR PRODUCTS MAKE PEOPLE SICKTHIS IS AN AD CAMPAIGN TARGETED TOWARDS EUROPEANS
>>537838082>Unaffordable to run here in the UK regardless of the upfront price.Is that because electricity bills are so expensive in the UK?
>>537838082It's a fiver a day at most for 12 hours usage. 'Unaffordable' lmao
>>537838237They are high but its not expensive to run a portable ac all day for a week. Split system is more efficient and cheaper.
>>537832524Doesn't even work... You need someone to install a stationary one...
>Is it really that hot in Europe at the moment?yes
Are you being a faggot on purpose?
>>537832821>Why don’t Europeans install air conditioning when they build houses?Same reason why houses in very hot countries don't install heating. It's not cost effective you have only 1 or 2 weeks of the year when you need to use it.
>>537832940buy cooling stuff in winter.. and heating stuff in summer...Normal normies are too retarded to do this, to see thru the system. They buy it when everyone else does.
>>537832821>Why don’t Europeans install air conditioning when they build houses?I could have them drill the wall and just install split AC system on my old house. But every year I'm like do i really need to do some construction shit for what like just 2-3weeks of scorching heat per year? So i rather every year just use noisy shit portable ACIf i lived in australia or some desert shithole, yes then it would be worth it to have permanent AC, but currently for those few weeks per year i dont care (and the rest of the europe too)....
>>537833094this was bothering me too so i looked it up and apparently the loss in efficiency is negligible on normal three position windowsthey do come with an optional window seal but from what i'm reading it's more for placating OCDfaggots
>>537838254$5 to run your ac 12 hrs? how much is your power? i pay $5/day to run my whole house including ac and a deep well pump. i pay $0.11/kwh
>>537832524Can't wait for the EU to ban these under some bullshit pretext.
>>537832524400 bucks over here
>>537832821XING XONG PING PONG MOTHERFUCKER. its not 5k like you claimed, retard. why would you make this blatant propaganda post.
>>537838350just install it yourself, the only specialized tools you need are a $15 hole saw bit for a drill and a vacuum pump. i pulled the pump out of my neighbors broken fridge and nigger rigged it to vacuum down the lines. it was super simple. picrel: my vacuum pump, ive installed 4 mini splits with it
>>537838911>pay $5/day to run my whole house including ac and a deep well pump.i actually just did the math, i actually pay $3.50/day
>>537832524Boy it sure is summer in here
>>537832524>Europoors finally experience Australian summers>Australia winter going sub zero temps
>>537832524899 euro at local Obi pic relatedNot that I need it, I have 4x daikin wall units (which I basically never use since I spend 90% of my day in the basement)
Mideas are considered low end, shitter units even here, what the fuck is going on with euros?
>>537838911I'm going by 27p a kwh which is 0.36 USD.
>>537839443>Mideas are considered low endIn its bid to keep costs down, Midea has become the cheapest rubbish on the Chinese air-conditioning market. More people are opting for Haier or Gree.The problem is, this thing shouldn’t be selling for nearly €1,000.It’s nothing short of daylight robbery.
>>537839723This entire board is being spammed with Midea ads because they are getting sued and try to offload their faulty stock. Its such a joke
>>537839175>i pulled the pump out of my neighbors broken fridge and nigger rigged it to vacuum down the lines
>>537839723I was shopping for one last winter before the summer rush and I wouldn't even touch Mideas and Haiers at around ~450EUR for 3.5HP units. Let alone 1k+. That's psychotic pricing.
>>537832524lol youre literally making shit upat least make it somewhat believable and dont slap a straight 10 000% on the actual pricemy dad bought one last week for a few hundred €fucking retard chink lmao
Now's the time to buy heaters, asshole. Those ACs will be on sale for 700€ in January.
>>537840290How hot does it get in Egypt in summer?I’ve never been to Egypt; all I know is that most of your country is desert.I imagine it must be quite unbearable during the day without air conditioning.
>>537832524Why wouldn't they just go on Alibaba or something and buy an AC for a hundred bucks?
>>537832821Or they could not be dumb apes and buy their shit in October/November while it's on clearance to make room for heaters
>>537832821In Europe, it was always cool enough that an AC wasn't necessary. At least that was the case until you idiots started polluting the air.
>>537840610Depends on where you are, around the medi-coast it's ok. In most of Cairo it's usually around 35C on average in summer, can get to the 40's on bad days.Down the far south though it gets bad, like if you get out in the sun at high noon you may die from sunstroke bad.
>>537840290Remember, the eurogoy niggercattle pays his entire life in taxes. Centuries of having their men slaughtered and women bred by their masters has left their blood mongrelized. The docile eurogoy is receptive to any demands his Lord puts on him.Fees and taxes built into the price of these units makes them 3 times more expensive than what a Canadian pays for a similar unit. Luckily for the collective mass of eurocattle they will be mostly brown turkoids in a few generations and have no need for cool air.>>537840678Obviously shipping costs and that the EU and national governments won't allow the import of those units without paying the built in taxes found in domestic sales.
>>537832524By the time they arrive the weather will have gone back to being cold. Just sprinkle some rock salt on ice and put a fan behind it lol.
>>537833025Cool it with the antisemitism.
>>537832524Not really, but even so it's way too expensive for what you're getting, you can buy a real mini split for that kind of money.
>>537832997>It's 25 degrees C again?! AAAAAAAHHH, SAVE ME AIRCONMAN!
>>537841069>Rent is 1000 a month.>Utilities included.>Temperature is a cunt hair above 20c>Turn on the portable AC17c is the perfect temperature for sipping a hot coffee.
>>537840756>Down the far south though it gets bad, like if you get out in the sun at high noon you may die from sunstroke bad.It sounds really hot.I suppose property prices will be quite low in the hottest places?
>>537832821>Why don’t Europeans install air conditioning when they build houses?My house is older than the U.S.A.
>>537841566thats not the flex you think it is unless you live in a castle or something. does it even have running water or electricity.
>>537832524>the tube makes it impossible to close the windowhahahahahaaahaaHAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAi may be sitting in 30 degrees indoors sweating like a madman but at least I'm not a retard
>>537841800>thats not the flex you think it isI would never flex because I'm not a zoomer. I would call it bragging like an adult. But I'm not bragging. Old houses suck and WIFI is a bitch.
>>537840678Ever tried shipping a 40Kg something from Aliexpress and look at the shipping prices? Yeah, thought so.
>>537832821B-b-but euros say tariffs are good but only when they do it
>>537842065You're definitely retarded.
>>537832531
>>537843248I beg to differ, I do not keep my window open when the outside is hotter than inside, thats a guaranteed tendency of people I define to be retarded
>>537843395This item was originally intended for export but has been diverted to the domestic market.For some inexplicable reason, someone needs this model of air conditioner—which is normally exported only to Europe—to be shipped back to China.The production cost of this item will not exceed 300 euros.
>>537832524Is tap water super expensive? It's relatively easy to make an a/c that will work on water like what data centers are doing.Water isn't a great refrigerant so it has to keep getting cycled into the system.
>>537832524Not my problem. It was 91 in my house yesterday and I just had a ceiling fan on.
You should be at work, not lazying about at home anyway.
>>537832524I was drunk yesterday and tried to sleep with only my underwear, I almost died of hypothermia.
>>537845840Describe the smell
>>537845840bullshit, i doubt that your even using AC at night unless your a big fat bastard that lives on the coast in cities like izmir, antalya, or adana, and even then it's not likely then because it's in the mid 70's after sunset this time of year.
The portasplit is an interesting product because it's literally the ONLY consumer grade portable split ac in existence.
>>537834610Yes but then there is some technological skill of tightening the lines, pulling a vacuum, checking the vacuum with gauges, installing an AC cut off, running Romex Cable. Then Knowing how to pump it down to the compressor when you plan to remove it. The other mini split is for rentoids and eurocucks. Theres added value in not having to do all that to set it up and move it around. T. got that model 12,000 BTU running on Solar panels to cut my Summer electric bills and have it for in case an Ice storm knocks power out since you can run in in reverse as a heater.
>>537832725What he said lol.
>>537832658899 is the daily rental fee, try again.
>>537838254My math is its max 1.5 kwh for 12,000 BTU. At a price of 10 US cents per Kilowatt. So 7 hours of running it at a cost of 15 cents an hour is a dollar per day. Of course I try to use mine to dump over production of Solar Panels into. So I can run it for free, when I do run it.
>>537847197Right now I have 600 watts of solar coming in at a 46% battery charge. So the 350 watt load on it is matched and some is starting to enter the battery. Later the battery will be 100% then I turn on the mini split to run the approximate 1.7 KWH solar coming in and not going anywhere.
>>537832524>yurop yurop white pipel white pipelFreakzoids are obsessed and can't stop thinking of us.
>>537847407Heres what my solar monitoring looks like its just an old useless phone connected to the Battery over bluetooth.
>>537846846>899 is the daily rental feeWTF?
>>537832524>>537832531Lying chinkoid I just bought a better on than that for £200
>>537847861>Rental feeWhyte pipel live rent free in your mind kekarooooo
>>537840710lol blame it on Nuclear testing on earth releasing all of the heat of the sun. Even the Ancient Pre dynastic egyptians had a myth of the Sun trying to scorch everyone but Seth got her drunk and calmed her down. Therefore the sun did not kill everyone by scorching the earth. That is an ancient story of the earth being hot.
fuck off shill
>>537848447>lol blame it on Nuclear testing on earth releasing all of the heat of the sun.Top american physicist take
>>537838117Go fuck yourself I will get sick in my thick brick walled altbau that saves the heat like an oven.
All portable air conditions are very loud, the piping has to be put out the window and they have to be kept short or they don't work properly, you have to cover the window well or the hot air will blow back in, they are expensive in europe due to crazy power prices and they create a negative air pressure situation (which means air from other places pushes into the room)they suck, but if you are boiling your nuts off then do the job as a cold blowing fan. move out of the fan range and the rook is still hot though, unless you seal the room really well
>>537848800Totally reasonable response bro! After all, I said all ACs and not called out this particular failing company!
>>537849195dude, I cant get the fucking baupolizei to grand me a installation of a split unit I wanted..do you have any other alternative then for a porta split beside midea?
>>537848342No you didn't
>>537832756How much is that in Freedom Units (btu)
>>537849348>DONT BUY MIDEA>T-t-the BAUPOLIZEI!!!!!So either sub 70 IQ or shill
>>537832524Nah, we bought ours for 390€ just a few months ago.5000€ will get you a high-end machine including installation. This looks like some drop-shipping scam desu
>>537846846No it isn't, KYS faggothttps://www.heima24.de/heizung/midea-mobiles-split-klimageraet-r-32-portasplit-35-kw-10002085.html>>537847861
>>537832524Those movies had way too many sequels.
Muslims can't into the future.
>>537832524>it doesn't even come with a window seal for the exhaust tubeholy fucking kek
>>537850695>I CANT FUCKING INSTALL A TRADITIONAL SPLIT UNIT>proceeds to sperg out like a shizo against porta split (no other good alternatives beside Midea)Retarded or middle eastern pedo worshiper
>>537849348DeLonghi Pinguino
>>537851050Loud and not as effective as a porta split. I have one in the living room tho the porta split is a bit more quiet and doesn't draw that much electricity in my bedroom
>>537832531they are also cost around 210 euros in Europa.BTW. China man saves EU again.. Why is he doing it?
>>537836694And reminder this is with the prices spiking over the last 2 months in the USA since we're hitting summer as well.
>>537851050https://www.mediamarkt.de/de/category/mobile-klimaanlagen-799.html?query=mobile%20klimaanlage&queryInitial=mobile%20klimaanlage&queryMeta[ga_query]=mobile%20klimaanlage&queryMeta[queryHash]=d153f68ba2e5b0f014e96a68028a2a604e33108d947b4f6a8896cdbd9066bbb5&queryMeta[queryRequestId]=d153f68ba2e5b0f014e96a68028a2a604e33108d947b4f6a8896cdbd9066bbb5&searchFeatures[0][name]=suggest&searchFeatures[0][value]=1&searchFeatures[1][name]=redirect&searchFeatures[1][value]=1Chinese delivery 1-2 days later than promised. looks like Chinese were ready for heat season and Europeans not..
>>537848733Oh really how much heat release of all earths nuclear testing? Its POSSIBLY 1 degree on the hockey stick graph you dunce.
https://youtu.be/tnJms_3Gbuk?si=zuqSiv44Ufj5mBhIThe persians figures Yahchal's out thousands of years ago, modern society hasn't because "Muh demand based economics!" and "My zoning laws need to fuck up everything"https://youtu.be/s-41UF02vrU?si=QMi9UTSS0nS154sL
>>537836136A shoddy installation job means a falling hunk of metal weighing over 100 pounds making an innocent person go squish. Of course, that's not a big issue in thirdie land where life is cheap.
>>537836694>tfw this shit is illegal in EuropoorsI'm really considering just making my own f-gas license, just to not pay some shmuck $300 for an hour of work. Well, actually I don't need a license at all, but the installation with usual splits isn't as straightforward as with the units in your picture. You have to make the connections by yourself and also you need a vacuum pump
>>537851420>All of the heat of the sunIf nuclear weapons testing did that then we wouldn't be having this conversation.
>>537851420AI generated answer is the effect of such megatons of heat is actually negligible source? FUCKING REDDIT!! TRUSTED SOURCE!!
>>537851739Yes everytime a nuke is tested the effect is releasing a mini sun in the atmosphere. If you look at the nothing burger of the hockey stick graph this can be attributable to absolute retardation.
>>537851849>releasing a mini sunI see, so not all of the heat of the sun then?
>>537851671>A shoddy installation job means a falling hunk of metal weighing over 100 pounds makingI certainly agree that you should get a skilled tradesperson to install your air-conditioner.However, I don’t want the trade association to maliciously inflate prices by creating a monopoly.That said, how much does it cost to have an air-conditioner installed where you live?In China, the cost of installing an air-conditioner is generally less than 100 euros.
>>537852014Im a Germanic bvll, naturally i install it myself
>>537851908this much sun. Can you please read me the left side of the hockey stick graph. I am apparently retarded.
>>537851738not illegal but tiresome harsh to get a loicense>get permit from landlord or if you own the apartment in a city permit from all neighbors>get permit from the city because "stadtbild" or other bullshit like "denkmahlschutz">building inspection by the city to check how loud the streets of the surrounding is and checking of the unit you want to install>needs specialist firm to install it and not one self
>>537852122That is a measured HALF A FUCKING DEGREE IN FAHRENHEIT ACCORDING TO ICE CORES
>>537838924>it will drive up energy usage and accelerate climate change
>>537832524Why are you lying chinkset?
>>537852229the units the burger showed are illegal, because they don't require any of this f-gas shit. The lines contain the gas already. You just screw them on. No vaccuum pump, no copper lines etc
>>537852401You just screw them on? You tighten them to torque(which torque measure turns out to be complete bullshit) So screw it down until it feels good then double check that work by pulling a vacuum and reading a gauge set to check the fittings you just tightened. Also on the new ones if it leaks you leak a proprietary blend of propane.
>>537851739We could actually use nuclear weapons to nuke the ice caps and create global cooling, but it would absolutely piss off the US as they would lose like 90% of their usable land and make Russia a sea super power
>>537850842Das war offensichtlich ein Joke, du Lappen. Erzähl mir mal lieber warum du irgendwelche Angebote postest die offensichtlich nicht lieferbar sind, vor allen Dingen nicht zu diesem Preis. Was war der Plan, soll mir beim anschauen des nicht verfügbaren Angebotes kalt werden, oder wie? Viel Spaß beim rumsiechen, ich habe in jedem Zimmer eine gute Split-Klimaanlage installiert.
>>537852682I dont know wtf was going on with torque spec but 1 you need to do special math because you need to crows foot the torque wrench and 2 theres 5 different torque measurement systems, so it looks like in my manual China just wrote some shit feeling the torque by hand wrenching it down. Way over torque based on the manuals suggested torque spec.
>>537852682your point being? I'm just saying we can't import this stuffAlthough I wonder if it would be stopped if I used intermediary shipping company
>>537853119I also used nylog blue which is a Fluid gasket tho.
>>537832524Pricing like this encourages companies to stockpile things that have very spikey demand. This is a feature of capitalism not a bug. Anyone who disagrees is a retarded retard who will not be allowed to live in the BSA (the Based States of America) after balkanization
>>537853208If were talking about the same mini splits you said you dont pull a vac and read the vac on gauges to check the flare connections you tightened for leaks. For Me you definitely do because its easy insurance to keep the refrigerant you cant find and nobody is going to charge the unit back. If the unit leaks its coolant its fucked. You buy a new one, is the feasible option. It sounds like your gov. have outright banned their import?
>>537853370well, then maybe check the thing I'm referring to first, before posting
>>537853370I meant the DIY version from this picture >>537836694the lines are under pressure and you don't need vacuum stuff
