Pope Leo finally goes THERMONUCLEAR on SSPX schismatics and other wolves in sheep's clothing.Excommunication soon?
Do we have any sedevacantists here? How do you justify straying from the papacy while remaining catholic?
CRUSADE
>>537841863Its the entirety of pol “catholics,” otherwise you would have catholics up in here professing the church and Pope’s declaration that the jews still maintain a covenant and are the elders in faith.
>>537842132I'd really like to hear what tradcaths here have to say about Francis and Leo compared, did he change anything interesting or is he legitimately continuing what the last pope set in motion?
>>537842204we've never had a legitimate reason to give a fuck about either, thats between us and pete
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>>537841537Vatican II is garbage anyway hopefully they'll double down
>ANOTHER flavor of christianityI'm sure they'll get it right this timeeveryone else has it wrong, I'm positive
>>537841537It's automatic since they're back to their schismatic ways. Pope Francis of all people, as arrogant as he could be, showed them a lot of tolerance. They didn't learn. Probably they end up excommunicating themselves and their followers permanently at some point, although that's not imminent.
>>537841537It is far wiser to put the sword to enemies behind your own walls than launch a far off crusade.
>>537844444Is it?
>>537842132Church doesn't talk about jews in the same way that /pol/ does
>>537842204What non Catholics don’t understand is that we are not Catholic because of the Pope’s activities and comments. We are Catholic because of the Sacraments and Jesus Christ. The Church is 2,000 years old. Our popes used to dig each other’s bodies up, put them on trial and throw them in the Tiber. Non Catholics are obsessed with the pope but when you have had 267 of them it’s really not that important as doctrine reveals itself over time. We go to Mass, we show up, we do our best, the Holy Father is who he is, and we hope to die in grace. It’s not a political party.t. Tradcath
>>537846400Kek I attended a TLM in Italy and yeah the priest absolutely did
>>537847554If Catholicism was the only component of Christ's Church then its benches would be filled with unrepentant homosexuals and progressives who substitute secular moral foundations for God's.
>>537841537>and other wolves in sheep's clothing.The Vatican sided with the Semitic Pharisees (hueman sacrificers), and have more in common with Shia Islam and Talmudic "Jews" than Jesus Christ.You, and the Pope, are Theologically illiterate and know not what they worship.
>>537847733I’m sorry I don’t understand what you’re saying.
>>537847664My grandmother attended a TLM when she was little. It is in Latin. Nobody understood anythingNot sure if our priests did TLM wrong, but I don't think so.And what I meant is that Church doesn't talk about the jewish ethnicity, because there are two options, either Israelites are not jews which means jews didn't kill Jesus and Pharisees weren't jews, or number two, Israelites are jews, and the jews killed Jesus, but also the Apostles were jewish and jews were God's chosen people once.Very sticky situation for the Church. Not to mention that all people are believed to be made by God so you cannot really be completely racist anyway.When Church talks about Jews, they talk about Judaists, the people who accept the Old testament but deny Jesus Christ
>>537847814>You, and the Pope ... have more in common with Shia Islam and Talmudic "Jews" than Jesus Christ.Why, because he says war is bad? When did the SSPX ever publicly denounce murder of Palestinians like Pope did?
>>537844444>>537847814Yes...but you meant that in the other way, didnt ya?...ya little bloodlusting Semite...
>>537847848If you have any questions the internet can answer them for you readily. I understand everything that is happening at the TLM perfectly. It doesn’t require much effort and the homilies are in the local vernacular
>>537847904>because he says war is badWrong, because he blessed the Talmudic, femocracy, Islamified, EU, outright ignoring inequities while LARPing moral standing.Wolf in sheeps clothing.
>>537848139It is not Pope's job to be against EU. And just because Ursula said EU is Talmundic doesn't mean it is.In fact, Ursula's #1 mistake is being a weak leader. Remember the Trump tariffs? She took 15% in the ass and didn't even retaliate. A very weak, weak leader.
>>537848139Besides, why would Pope be against EU when USA, Russia and China are openly hostile to Catholics? The only place other than Europe where Catholics are not mocked and berated on sight is South America
>>537841537>The mass immigration and sodomy will continue until spirituality improves!
>>537849082>when USA, Russia and China are openly hostile to Catholics? The only place other than Europe where Catholics are not mocked and berated on sightliteral anuddah shoah tier victim LARPing
>>537848856>It is not Pope's job to be against EU.>Its not the "Vicar of Christ's" job to drive out death worshippers from the Temple of Life.Oh, no raison et al.>And just because Ursula said EU is Talmundic doesn't mean it is.Youre (((European))), you know nothing about European culture that isnt a self deception...this proves it.>A very weak, weak leader.Just like the Pope, hence "his flock" of Talmudic, Shia, Eurocrat activists.
>>537852135Europe literally is the second most Catholic place in the worldPlease cure your derangement syndrome
>>537841537>>537841863>>537842021>>537842132>>537842204the religion is not of the time you live in now but of the time it began and any religion should be timelessi reject the temptations of the arisen snakes of your times and the known of then too
if anything is supposed to change over time it would be the government and that's why im not a priest
you have to murder temptations anywaythe idea of doing it cloistered in a church just doesnt work anymoreanyone else thinks they know better is almost definitely just another fool
>>537841863>Do we have any sedevacantistsNot a sede, just a Catholic layman suffering under a series of awful (and possibly anti-) popes. We've been here here before; it sucks, but will pass.
we shall build vast camps and stockades for all of the addictsthe crucifixion has a purpose
>>537842132>Pope’s declaration that the jews still maintain a covenant and are the elders in faithLike most V2 documents, this is not what Nostra Aetate actually says, BUT its what bad actors say it says. In theory the councils have Grace not to fall into error. For V2 I think that that Grace takes the form of going right up to the line but never crossing. The problem is this allows infiltrators to claim meaning not actually found in doc like NA.
>>537841537Catholics purity spiraling. Baptist bros it's our time to strike
>>537841537>SSPXhope it finally happens!they're all heretics.
>>537852222>Europe literally isIts literally the most "Worldly" region on the planet.>Please cure your derangement syndromeOh, so youre a Psychologist now? Or did you (((forget))) what you are to (((win))) an argument against someone that knows your people better than they themselves? Ok, Caiaphas...t.Doctor of Developmental Psychology and Cognition...also "Doctor of the Church"...since I understand the Gospel better than the Popes.
>>537842204>I'd really like to hear what tradcaths here have to say about Francis and Leo Traditional catholic doctrine study of revelation and the last days says that three things have to be in place for the appearance of the anti-christ(1) The gospel is preached in every corner of the world. This was achieved by 1900(2)The jews return to the holy land and create the state of Israel.True since 1948(3) The vatican is taken over by Satan and the popes become heretical.This was the third secret of Fatima and is suggested in older books such as the annotated edition of the Apocalypse of St John by Rev Sylvester Berry. Not to mention various visionaries approved by the church.This is obviously true since pope John XXII in 1958 and Vatican II and since then traditional theologians etc have pointed out the extraordinary amount of heretical statements and policies from subsequent popes in their encyclicals. This is obviously controversial and the Vatican and mainstream catholic media obviously suppressed older books which point this out. However the apostasy of the leadership of the church was reluctantly accepted by many leading churchmen in the old days though it was obviously uncomfortable to the people at the top.Therefore traditional catholic doctrine says we are in the end times and therefore Francis and Leo are essentially heretics
>>537841537Yay, more purity spiraling. Just as Christ wanted.
>>537853531>(1) The gospel is preached in every corner of the world.>This was achieved by 1900Lol no. China was never Christian>FatimaThe girl who said that "Russia will spread her errors all over the world"? When did that happen? Oh wait, never!
>>537841863There were dozens of antipopes in the history of the Church. To follow a man who claims to be pope but obviously isn't is not a Catholic action.However, the situation in the Church today is novel and not like, say, the time of anitpope Anacletus II or the first antipope John XXIII. Beginning with the second papal claimant who took that name, the Church has witnessed the biggest apostasy in its history. The Great Apostasy, in fact. Paul VI ended the Sacraments. Going Orthodox is not an answer either, because jurisdiction was given the Orthodox through the papacy, which ended with Pope Pius XII.In short, the Christian age is over. This is the warning of Fatima no doubt, as well as the message of La Salette. The Church has ended.We are in the age of the Holy Ghost.The SSPX recognizes the false papacy and the Anit-Church in Rome, they're part of it in fact. Lefebvre was an evil man who was in on it. Achille Lienart laughed about it on his deathbed.If you're serious, you'll read the books of Hutton Gibson and Teresa Benns, look up betrayedcatholics.com for lots of information. These men who claim to be popes since October 1956 are not Catholic, so they can't possibly be popes. Antipope Leo XIV isn't even a priest, let alone a Catholic bishop. Read "The Plot Against The Church."For those listening, it isn't even worth paying attention to the Anti-Church hierarchy from Rome down to your local parish. They're the Robbers, the Destroyers of Christendom. It's easy to keep the Faith today if you want it. But know there are no valid Sacraments outside of lay baptism and matrimony, no priests or bishops, we are in uncharted waters.
>>537847554exactly
>>537841863because they are larpers. larpers can be unserious and don't have to think about consequence because they're faking it
>>537854460The literal larpers are people who go along with the Montinian church of Vatican II. It's a literal larp, a fakery, a copy of the Catholic Church.
>>537854123> October 1958, typo
>>537853707>The gospel is preached>was preachedWithin a lifetime following the crucifixion.>Russia will spread her errors all over the worldTalmudic Communism? Yes, all over the world.
>>537854617that's not for you to decide larper. either you're with the church or you're a larper
>>537841537Fuck the mutt antipope.
>>537847554Catholicism is about slavish obedience to the Pope and the rulers that are in his favour. You are an organ of the Roman Empire that exists to extract political obedience to temporal powers. If you want to be a Galilean hippy who loves his neighbour, never takes out law suits, and despoits all property in common, then become a protestant monk like the beautiful soul in Goethe.
>>537854751>Talmudic Communism? Yes, all over the world.LOL please take medicine
>>537855320>please take medicine>(((I'M A PSYCHIATRIST.)))YOU ARE MENTALLY ILL AND DELUSIONAL LIKE A WOMAN.YOU KNOW NOTHING OF EUROPE EXCEPT WHAT WAS TOLD TO YOU BY YOUR TALMUDIC MASTERS.
>>537842204>I'd really like to hear what tradcaths here have to say about Francis and Leo comparedFrancis was a heretic, Leo is much better but if the rumors are any indication, also a heretic. It happens. Only Protestants think the Pope is some kind of infallible super source of truth, Ironically.You know, if the lighting hitting the Vatican when Benedict resigned and when Leo started his thing wasn't any indication for you pagans.
>>537856872You think the whole world is communist, yes, you are mentally ill
>>537854887>Catholicism is about slavish obedience to the Pope and the rulers that are in his favour.Not at all true. But Protestants think like that for some reason.(The reason is they are the baddies).
>>537841537suus 'super
>>537857041>You think>you are mentally ill>(((I'M A PSYCHOANALYIST!)))YOU ARE A SATANIC, EFFEMINATE, CHILD LARPing AS A MAN.>Acts like he wants to debate Theology.>Immediately gets BTFO about everything and retreats to auto-cocking.Classic European...
>>537857200>Jedi>Subverts democracy, kills cops, justifies terrorism for power, ignores child slavery, is against "The Father" (Vader).Yup...
>>537841537>larpers larpingbut what does this have to do with Jesus and the kingdom of god tho
>>537854827not worth arguing with you, you literally do not hold understanding. you should read some aquinas and augustine. it isn't for anyone to "decide" canon law shows that it was *decided* the moment they did it. do not follow those destroyers, it will be your ruin. you are the larper. wake up. act like a man.
>>537858285I understood what you meant the first time anon. But you are so arrogant you can't understand that this isn't a debate. There is no "out reasoning" you can do. Either you're with the church or you're not. Everything else is larp or atheism. You are probably a migger who has replaced religion with the Church of Trump essentially no different than the Church of Mormon.
>>537841537Leo's gonna do it Chicago-style
>>537854123>Going Orthodox is not an answer either, because jurisdiction was given the Orthodox through the papacy,lol what
>>537859195Christianity is a false religion, you're a jew in denial
>>537847554Correct
>>537854887Memeflag = Jew
>>537847814Shalom
>>537859195>the Church of TrumpHe is more representative of Christianity than the Church...thats not a projection, its a matter of fact.>>537507117>>537507524
>>537860737>He is more representative of Christianity than the ChurchKEK
>>537860737Lame.>>537860576>no u jewSHALOM, YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT A JEW IS YOU ZOG-GOLEM.
>>537860771>mrph-gulpSTOP SUCKING YOUR OWN DICK AT ME YOU SICK FAGGOT.Youre not a Christian, YOURE A SEMITIC GENTILE.
SSPX is based. Vatican is a cringe globohomo puppet. I don't care what the Vatican thinks of them.
>>537860811The picture in question.Denying this fact proves your worldview is founded on the "nose-Jews" (the Shabbos Goys) and not the Actual, Biblical, Adam & Eve, Jews.
>>537860737>He is more representative of Christianity than the Churchthis guy is just larping to bait larpers who think they're real
>>537841537This pope is literally going to destroy the Catholic Church.
>>537860961The task of the church isn't to cater to obese "based" faggots
>>537861036Yes, it's to cater to globohomo according to you fags.
>>537861024Stop sucking your own ego-idol dick you fake Christian, go be with your (((brothers))) in the Temples (Judeans and Hindus).>>537854827>that's not for you to decide larper. either you're with the church or you're a larperJust like the Pharisees said!SHA-LOM...your soul sided with the "opposite people" and now your cut off from God and only know "the Other Father".
>>537856872Larping Jew tendrils writing this person's posts, beware
>>537854827>with the churchYou worship chair and ignore who sits on its ways...just like the Pharisees who worshipped the outside of the cup and ignored the defilement within.
>>537841537Turns out, if it looks like, talks, and quacks like a Protestant, it's a Protestant
>>537861153Saying war is bad is globalhomo now? You miggers need professional help
>>537861304>beware>Ignore the Truth!>Defend the institution's reputation!Caiaphas, why are you outside of the Temple and in a Church?...>no u jewOK, ADOLFBERG...[eye-roll]
Sspx should excommunicate the Pope.
Explain how the doctrine of original sin is valid without ignoring evolution.
>>537860737You’re rather correct. Christianity is judaism for goyim, and what person alive could be closer to the ideal of the perfect golem other than Zion Don.
>>537861594Show flag.Youre eating your own shit and beathing it at me like your opinion is anything but disgusting self delusion.
>>537861036The task of the church is to get money and fuck alterboys.
>>537861416What this fuck does this have to do with anything?>Oh you think a group that doesn't support fags and gay sex and simping for globohomo is based, you must want war!Literal nigger-tier IQ
>>537859195You are either with the Church or you're not. Of course. And the antipopes beginning with Angelo Roncalli are NOT with the Church. Tell me, can a pope take the name of an antipope? There was an antipope John XXIII. Roncalli took the name again, as a satanic symbol to announce worldwide what they did. Can a non-bishop be the bishop of Rome? Nope. They're not popes, they're antipopes, just like the 75+ antipopes we've had before. Not The Church. As you say, it's not a debate. I may have a lot of schooling and education in canon law and Church history, but arrogance is not one of my afflictions. Be a Catholic, reject the Montinian church that seeks to destroy Catholicism. And reject Lefebvre and his minions, who have no jurisdiction in the Catholic Church. They are very far from "tradition," even though they've fooled thousands of people worldwide into thinking they're "trad."
The problem with Catholic prelates of today is literally Boomerism. Our Bishops are largely men not particularly committed to their religion, so they push the gay ass noeliberal boomer Catholicism. Why is it this way? Because they didn't have the guts to do anything else. Even their peers left the Church in favor of lame ass mysticism or bland atheism. But not our Bishops, they stayed, they advanced because they didn't know what else to do. They are Catholics of convenience. My only hope is that I've never met a priest under 40 that fits this bill. I've met bad priests but never priest who are priest because they don't know what else to do. In short they are Catholic because they want to be Catholics. The exception to this are the literal infiltrators; the difference is today both priests and laity know these people for what they are (of course our current prelates won't punish or expel them).
>>537841537>SSPXthey're even bigger pedofags than the fucking antipope, lolprbly hence why the latter is uppity
>>537862194No the problem with it is they insult the intelligence of anyone who actually inspects the doctrine instead of blindly believing and say evolution is true but offer no answer as to how humans inherited sin from Adam and eve and how all humans came from them. The church also historically did crimes against humanity and had a totalitarian empire
>>537859465> confused about the Orthodox schismThe Orthodox broke from the Church a millennia ago. They were only given jurisdiction through the kindness and care of the popes. Pope Pius XII was the last genuine pope who had the power to do that. Without jurisdiction, it doesn't matter if orders are valid, it's still outside the Church. And by the way, the Orthodox were so infiltrated by the KGB their orders are wildly corrupt now. It's over.
>>537862340>but offer no answer as to how humans inherited sin from Adam and eve and how all humans came from them.She offers no answer because this is considered an open question. The Church accepts evolution on scientific grounds AND holds to Mongenisis on theological grounds. However she is open to Polygenisis provided a sound theological basis can be developed, just hasn't happened yet. We can't go around Dogmatizing every question on a whim; let time take its course.
>>537862679If the pope and bishops can speak with the Holy Spirit why is anything a open question? You think Jesus called Catholics holy when they tortured and let people be burned alive and said slavery is good?
>>537862817Nevermind, your leading question on Polygenisis was clearly neither in good faith or your point.
As a Lutheran one might think that I support the SSPX because they stand against the pope, but actually the inverse is true. I have far more respect for your garden variety Roman Catholic than the SSPX. The reason for that is simple.Roman Catholics are, for all of their flaws and errors, consistent. If one truly accepts that the bishop of Rome is the vicar of Christ on Earth than it would only make sense to submit to him and his doctrines. That includes Vatican II. The problem with the SSPX isn't that they are wrong, but that they are inconsistent. They are right in that Vatican II directly contradicts prior Roman teaching, but the First Vatican Council is very clear that one must submit to the teachings of the Roman pontiff and his ecumenical councils. I entirely agree that Vatican II is wrong and full of heresy, but as a Protestant I understand that the Scriptures are the sole infallible authority and thus I comfortably reject Vatican II. SSPX are forced to take an inconsistent stance where popes and ecumenical councils are infallible, but these particular popes and councils are wrong. It's inconsistent. You can't just declare that the bishop of Rome is the vicar of Christ on Earth, then turn around and say his ecumenical council is wrong.
>>537844444Holy shit, is nobody even checking these digits?
>>537862916If the pope can speak with the Holy Spirit but just doesn't leaving open questions. Is the pope guilty of sloth and incompetence or perhaps maybe did they make it up and wait for other people to provide the answers other people can't disprove?
>>537841537Hahahahahahahaha yeah excommunicate actual Catholics while talking up Islamoshits, kikes and faggots, what a laughable clown. Hopefully they execute him when they win
>>537863451>when they winlol
>>537863373What does it mean if someone can speak as God himself but simply chooses not to leaving billions of people with questions instead of bringing them to Jesus?
>>537863119>Vatican II is wrong and full of heresyHi LutherBro. It really isn't. The problem with V2 is that its often vague and squishy, as infiltrators intended. You are left with a corpus, that while not themselves heretical, can be used to argue in favor of heresy. NA is one of the best examples: it in no way states that Dual-covenant is true, people use bits of it to justify that position. Of course, if I go around stating this some Bishop or another will shit down my through while demanding I affirm V2 while ignoring Fr. James Martin advocating for fag marriage. Its tiresome.
>>537841863You know how Americans will say>I hate the government but I love AmericaIts basically the same but for Catholics
>catholic churchzionist filth
>>537863529>16pbtid>8:17 AM EDT OPFor exactly SEVEN HOURS you’ve been here defending shitskin worshipping faggots. You’re embarrassing and should honestly kill yourself.
>>537863571I understand that Vatican II isn't everything the SSPX says it is, but I still fundamentally disagree with many of its core tenants as they are actually written. The problem the SSPX faces is that the proceeding Roman councils clearly state that only the Magisterium (led by the pope) have the authority to interpret dogma. The SSPX may feel that Vatican II violates Roman Catholic dogma, but Roman Catholic dogma is entirely defined as whatever it is that the Magisterium wants it to be. If the SSPX raises a concern about something in Vatican II and the Pope responds with "Nope, that's fine." than there is absolutely positively no recourse in Roman Catholicism to continue to press the issue.Despite trying to label themselves "based and trad", the SSPX forgets that the most traditional thing a Roman Catholic can do is submit to the pope of Rome. It makes no difference to me because I exist in a different paradigm. If the pope speaks against scriptures, the pope is wrong. If an ecumenical council speaks against scriptures, the ecumenical council is wrong. I don't have the same concerns as the SSPX because our root of authority is fundamentally different.This is part of why I have little respect for the SSPX. They have correctly identified that the Roman system has resulted in damaging dogmas contrary to the faith, but they cannot see the trees in the forest. They see the symptom, but not the disease. Thus they exist is a lamentable flux, able to realize the errors of Rome but unable to bring themselves to contemplate the ramifications of those errors to their only logical conclusion.
>>537856994>You know, if the lighting hitting the Vatican when Benedict resigned and when Leo started his thing wasn't any indication for you pagans.lel
>>537856994>You know, if the lighting hitting the Vatican when Benedict resigned and when Leo started his thingFrancis came after Benedict
>>537841863Because they don’t have any real spirituality, theology, or moral convictions and just want to latch onto an aesthetic like all fascists
>>537841537>Excommunication soon?Not a real threat.
>>537865070So what is the "correct" church?
>>537847554A dead pope is not competent to stand trial
>>537865327>So what is the "correct" church?THE BODY OF CHRIST.It is not a building.It is not a corporation.It is not a collection of priests.It it those who trust in the blood Jesus shed on the cross to pay for their sins.The catholics split away from the Church in 1054 and have bitched about everyone else splitting from them since. Now they are splitting from a splinter group before they have a chance to leave on their own.
>>537864659
>>537842132>jews still maintain a covenant and are the elders in faith.>elders in faith.Esau - EdomModern Counterfeit Israel - A Mess of Pottage
>>537841537Good.
>>537854887>Catholicism is about slavish obedience to the PopeSOURCE - Made it up.If that was the case there would be no issue.The pope holds a chair. What the pope says only has value if it is in accord with the Faith. Otherwise it is irrelevant.If you want PILPUL there are plenty of other places you can go.
>>537847814Whatever you say, ding-a-ling.
>>537865762Cool story.Off you go.
>>537864659>dogmaIt's got nothing to do with dogma.
>>537866032Very true, but it's more complicated than that. Namely, what is "the Catholic Faith?" The sad fact is that within Roman Catholicism, there's only one answer to that question: Whatever the Magisterium says it is. Only the Magisterium has the authority to make deterministic statements about the faith, you as a layman have no authority or right within Roman Catholicism to ever challenge the Magisterium on any matter of any kind ever. You can't use the Scriptures because only the Magisterium can interpret the Scriptures. You can't point to Sacred Tradition because only the Magisterium can approve, alter, interpret, or end traditions. So ya, you are told to disobey any pope who violates the Catholic Faith, what what is the Catholic Faith? Whatever the pope says it is.
>>537854123The Roman Catholic Church was conquered by the Jews. >>537862406You don't need the endorsement of some faggot in a pointy hat to be a Christian, anon. But my experience with American converts to Orthodox is they're some of the worst Christians out there, whereas the Orthodox from actual Orthodox countries are real Christians as long as they don't become Americanized degenerates.
>>537841537why should they care? tax status?
>>537847554yup no matter how corrupt the human might be that occupies a certain role, it can't corrupt the roleyou don't have to agree with anything the current pope stands for if it goes against the original intentions of the church to be faithful to catholicism
>>537842204Pope Francis indirectly recognized SSPX by indefinitely allowing them to continue doing sacraments. If you confess to an SSPX priest, it's a 'real' confession.
>>537864659The SSPX accept so much of V2. V2, the Robber Council, is so much worse than anything anyone involved with the SSPX will say. They are clueless. They go with John Paul II the Koran Kisser's new grotesque canon law rewrite, they reject traditional Catholic canon law. They accept New Order prelates among their rank. The SSPX even rejects the Traditional Latin Mass. Look it up. That's why the SSPV splintered off from them. They're just another aspect of V2.
I have a question for catholics.supposed you were in a cult, would the cult leader tell you you would lose your salvation if you left his cult?just food for thought.
>>537867724Right, and what did the SSPX do? They hated Francis and definitely partied hard when he died. They bit the hand that fed them, little rats.Leo saw that and knew what was up.
>>537864979It must scare you that we're not afraid of these thieves and liars and we spit on the V2 church and everything it stands for.
>>537867800Suppose you were in a gym. Would the gym manager tell you you're not welcome if you cancel your membership?
>>537867895But the Catholic Church isn't God.
>>537867895why would you be at the gym if you canceled the membership?
>>537867800You tell me, atheist homosexual leftnigger.
>>537868091atheism is just another cult.
>>537841863SSPX recognizes the pope, though, and still considers him the head of the Church (it's not the one Mel Gibson is a part of, like some false reports stated, which does not recognize any pope since the late 50s). They just disagree with changes from the 60s, onward. Somewhat akin to individual Catholic churches who ignored Francis' rule of no more Latin Mass, and the higher ups backed off of punishing more of those priests when they realized it was pissing more people off, because it was just a continuation of eroding traditions that weren't a problem in any way. Some priests still pray towards the east with the host, while others face the people. The Church higher ups are being faggots in trying to force rules, beliefs, and practices that are aren't a problem, antithetical to sacred traditions (not traditions for the sake of traditions), and zio bullshit. The pope isn't to be obeyed in all matters, and that's even been acknowledged since John Paul, because he is still a fallible man; only in certain matters does he have a final say that must be followed.
>>537867465The Catholic Faith is the making of Sane Souls (spiritus sanctus). The first way towards this has always been the Liturgy as set out from the start and tested by innumerable witnesses.. Which is precisely why they want to finally get rid of it. The current push alone has been 200 in the making and it will still not work. What they want is a religion reduced to endless PILPUL, discussion, negotiation and debate and this or that muh-story - like in this thread - a bunch of people endlessly asserting stuff. Out of which he who has the most worldly power wins. Just like everything else.
>>537847733>demoralization fag speak>naturally incoherantAllot of emotions in your post but ultimately says nothingChrist is King
>>537864659>correctly identified that the Roman system has resulted in damaging dogmas contrary to the faithBut they don't claim this. This is what their detractors say they say. This was kind of my point.
st.pius was based
>>537868071>why would you be at the gym if you canceled the membership?Presumably to push MORE jewish bullshit on people who are at the gym to work out?
>>537868655>MORE jewish bullshitthere is no other organisation that pushes jewish bullshit like the RCC, the levitical priest class that offers sacrifices for sins just like the priests of Israel and only through the priest you can come to God.Jesus said he is the door and the way. not a pope, or Peter or a priest.
>>537867813No one but atheists and leftists liked Francis, because he was blatantly a reddit pope, caring more about parroting shit that would earn him brownie points with those who hate Catholicism in the first place, and who would never join no matter how many epic mic drops he made that made them clap. That's why he started getting outright pushback by even the ultra traditionalist factions who usually don't make their grievances as public out of respect for the seat of the pope. One of the major things that created a rift was his strong arm rule against Latin Mass, which pissed off many of his own supporters in lower positions, because many Hispanic priests will still offer Latin Mass alongside Mass in English and Spanish, and there was no reason to demand, with punishment, that it be done away with, except for one more step in his obvious works to dismantle all traditions for the sake of dismantling all traditions, and not because they were some problem against scripture or morals of the Church.
>>537868982>reddit popeReddit hates Russia, Francis loved Russia and Putin.Fucking retard. Literally the one thing defining Reddit is Russia hate. Your father should have used a condom instead of making another downie in the world
>>537841537Sspx are following what the church did for nearly 2000 years. Rome right now is the rebel group trying to push faggotry and globalism and jews
>>537868844The advocacy of a "personal faith" built on endless exegesis is essentially arguing in favor of Judaizing the faith because this is how the Talmudics operate: pilpul until your version of "the faith" is accepted. I suggest you reread the Acts of the Apostles; they settled your objection in the first generation BEFORE much of the NT was written, much less widely disseminated. Our religion predates the New Testament because it was written TO AND FOR people who were already Christian. I say this all assuming you are speaking in good faith.
>>537869257no office in history was more talmudic than the papacy even going so far as changing the law of God.>I say this all assuming you are speaking in good faith.yes, because you cant serve two masters, its either Jesus or caesar, the pontifex maximus.
>>537869410>caesar, the pontifex maximusOh, I see. Nevermind.
>>537869492???
>>537869111Wow, the pope cited two of Russia's leaders who famously went out of their way to not isolate Russia from Western ideals and adoption of Western values. He must sure love Putin, who everyone believes is completely against everything West. Surely, that article pointing out how they were expansionists, like virtually any other nation on Earth, didn't have an agenda at all. You're very intelligent.
>>537869664>pontifexPeople like you refuse to understand translation. "Pontifex maximus" essentially means chief priest, which the Pope IS (even you won't dispute that), of course the Church using Latin would use Latin words. Then you go further and throw in the word "Caesar," for no reason. This behavior is traditionally called "well poisoning" provided you're not doing it out of shear ignorance.
>>537869929you should look up what the role of the ceasar as pontifex maximus is. why would a pope, a person set apart to God, accept a pagan title of a pagan pantheon. you need to start asking questions.>The Pontifex Maximus (Latin for "supreme pontiff") was the chief high priest of the College of Pontiffs in ancient Rome. Originating as the most powerful religious office in the state religion, the title evolved through Roman history from a pagan political tool to the official title of the Catholic Pope.>Julius Caesar was elected Pontifex Maximus—the highest-ranking priest in ancient Rome—in 63 BCE.
>>537870163>a pagan title of a pagan pantheonBecause "Pontifex maximus essentially means chief priest" Did you expect Latin speaking Christians to create whole new words? Post-modern word magic was still two millennia away.
>>537870328Pontifex Maximus is translated is "highest bridge builder" since he was between man and the pagan gods.by adopting this title you become the man that is between God and man.do you not know how serious this is? the pope claims the role that Jesus Christ fulfills. now you have other "high priest" and are ok with it?
>>537870561You have never bothered to address anything I said here >>537869257Go reread Acts.
>>537870561Since when is Jesus the man between God and man?Jesus IS God.
>>537841537>Excommunication soon?>from the satanic idol/mary worshippersdoes it matter?protestants proved that the catholic church wasn't the one true church 500+ years ago.the only true church is the one that proclaims the name of Jesus and honors HIM, and ony him.To Jesus goes all the worship, honor and glory.
>>537870696Why do you have Mary derangement syndrome is the real question
>>537870674Good catch. Flew right over my head.
>>537870616what about Acts?26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I too am a man.”when did the popes ever bother about feeding the sheep?the papal office is of simon magus rather than Simon Peter.
>>537870696>protestants proved that the catholic church wasn't the one true church 500+ years ago.The issue I have with this, on it face, is that it means for about 1200 years (Council of Nicaea to Luther) Christianity was essentially an extinct religion! That the "gates of hell" did succeed against the Church, it was destroyed, and rediscovered at a later time. Really?
>>537870810Don't quote chapter and verse. Go read it.
>>537871075I am well familiar with Acts and it in no way supports papal claims.
>>537871156Does it support the Anointing of new Apostles? Does it support the Apostles coming together to discuss and settle question of Doctrine?
>>537853707Socialist parties infested everywhere.
>>537872973You don't even know what that means though
>>537861586Genes are passed down. Original sin is passed down. Sounds exactly like evolution.
>>537841537>SSPX schismaticsqrd?
>>537841863>How do you justify straying from the papacy while remaining catholic?It's the papacy that stopped being catholic, since Vatican 2.
>>537873158Oh but I do >:)
>>537870929You mean like what Rome did to it until Augustine.
>>537874268>The king stopped being a monarch! Therefore I can be a monarchist and still be against the king!!!
>>537871599>Does it support the Anointing of new Apostles?no, God apoints apostles according to Acts.>Does it support the Apostles coming together to discuss and settle question of Doctrine?yes it does.
>>537870929That's not the claim the Reformers made though. The one true faith isn't a binary between perfect and damned. The history of the church is messy, and even amongst the Early Church we see differences and disagreements. We understand that some church fathers and great saints held to errors, but they are church fathers and great saints regardless.The only people who actually think that the church died out entirely and needed some kind of supernatural intervention to recover it are retards like Mormons, Jehovah's Witness, and other non-Christian cultists.
>>537875498>Mormons, Jehovah's WitnessThey're super smart.
>>537875637Well that's up to you if you want to have a gay and wrong opinion but it's not the opinion of the Reformers.
>>537841863>How do you justify straying from the papacy while remaining catholicIt's called Anglicanism/Episcopalianism. It's been around for a while, they often LARP as Protestants
>>537875712The reformers sound gay and wrong.
>>537841863I agree more with Orthodox theology, but there's barely any presence here. Not like Orthodoxy hasn't been through retarded periods, like the iconoclastic controversy and such tbf
>>537874825>no, God apoints apostles according to Acts.Explain. Because the decision to pick Judas' replacement is not claimed to be directly instructed by God. The use of lots to pick amoung two is irrelevant to the decision to pick someone to begin with.
>>537874760Hello migrant, may I introduce to European History, also known as "Today's monarch get replaced with various degree of consent and mass slaughters". More episodes than the Simpsons.
>>537870696Eastern Orthodox did 1000 years ago>>537870737>if you don't worship her you have derangementYou sound like MIGA
>>537875498>That's not the claim the Reformers made thoughIt kind of is, functionally at least. If the Bishops at Nicaea were wrong to lead as Bishops then they were wrong and the practice remained wrong all the way to Luther and beyond. We're not talking about small grey areas but functionally of what most the Church was for more than a thousand years. The refusal to pick the instance where it all went wrong while still breaking from the Church as whole is nonsensical. Pic rel.
>>537876145miggers are not catholic lmao
I'm watching the Sonic the Hedgehog movie. It's very kino.
>>537841537The Pope hates Spix?
>>537875848it was the apostles that decided to replace Judas by lot.who did God appoint as a replacement?Acts 1313 Now there were in the church at Antioch prophets and teachers, Barnabas, Simeon who was called Niger,[a] Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen a lifelong friend of Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. 2 While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” 3 Then after fasting and praying they laid their hands on them and sent them off.
>>537875848>4 So, being sent out by the Holy Spirit, they went down to Seleucia, and from there they sailed to Cyprus. apostle literally translates to "sent out".a man in Rome that sits on a throne is not someone that is sent out, he is stationary. thus the apostleship of Peter was not transferred.Peter is the apostle.Peter the bishop maybe, but there are bishops appointed to every church, one head bishop is not biblical.
>>537878417>that is sent outthat is not sent out
Sonic movie good
ALL GLORY AND PRAISE TO OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST
>>537881381This.
Amen
Double Amen
Triple amen
>>537844444Trvke checked
>>537854123Sedevacantists and the SSPX are protestants. They follow their own version of sola scriptura- they get to choose what's real magisterium, they get to choose who's a real pope. They are not Catholic.People who think every Pope since V2 is an antipope are not Catholics. It's been canon law for a thousand years that only cardinals can choose the pope. Every cardinal we have was chosen by a post V2 pope. That means if the popes are invalid there is no college of cardinals, and choosing a new pope is impossible. Sedevacantists believe the Church Christ founded has failed.Grow up, stop being a prideful moron and your own pope, and be obedient to the Pope and Magisterium.
>>537870737> Mary derangement syndromeTOP KEK
>>537885618One cardinal-line one Pope?
>>537841537based. no racists allowed in Christianity. we are all one people created in gods image
>>537865471Yes that’s the point. Look up the cadaver synod (Synodus Horrenda). As the other anon said, the corruption of the pope and clergy does not negate the Sacraments. That was determined very early in the Church. As we are all sinners it has to be this way. The pope goes to confession
>>537885618Ultimately you are right. Despite their good points, this is the point at which sedes fail. According to them the gates of hell have prevailed against the Church in opposition to the Scriptures
>>537853531>>537856994Based>>537868982Based but some tradcaths i know somehow didn't make a fuss about cunt Francis and they were not leftists either
>>537886613My church has a photo of St Pius X, Pope Benedict and Pope Leo in the lobby. We never had a photo of Francis and we are an official TLM kek. OP was right. While popes mostly do whatever and we just go about our day, Francis restricting the TLM was horrible.
>>537841537Well, in this case, the Pope is the rebel and the SSPX is the correct liturgy.
>>537886770>photo of St. Pius XGood>photo of palpatine-lite and burger-popeConfused.jpg
>>537887103Sir you have a lot to learn. Humble yourself and do that
>>537887813Perhaps. Not really understanding what Leo has been doing and didn't think Benedict's works were too important. His decisions also impacted the decision of picking Francis which was not good. Anyway they're all fallible
>>537841537funny there's people who still give a shit what the nigger loving pope does
personally I haven't taken that entire thing seriously since I saw a pope kissing random nog feet and shit. credibility over
>>537887813stfu little aussie bitch
>>537841863Sede here, if you as a Catholic ever actually read the teachings of the preVatican II Church you would come to the conclusion that the Sede position is the only position True to the faith and that Vatican II is a false counter church and is not Catholic and it is our duty to reject it and the false Popes. Both the Arian and Nestorian Heresies lead to the Vatican teaching that lay people have the power to reject even the Pope if he teaches contrary to the true faith. Simple as.
>>537886613In my experience, most "traditional catholics" are either mouthbreathers who will adopt whatever the pope says because it's the pope saying it, regardless of who sits on the throne, or are protestant converts who will demand some form of the totalitarian propaganda protestants believe about catholicism because many forms protestantism have become too liberal for their tastes (also among them is the typical actual totalitarian, extremely judgemental mindset that protestants have, and they want to bring that into catholicism, regardless of how many times they're told that shit doesn't work that way; whatever bullshit picture they painted in their head before, and upon, their conversion is what REAL catholicism is to them). The traditional catholics remaining usually aren't still with the Church in Rome or are part of one of the breakaways that might still be in communion with Rome. The Church fucked up over 20 years ago when they went out of their way in making serious efforts to welcome in the flood of protestants, rather than allowing them to find their way with guidance.
