Someone noticed in another thread about the DSA that Mamdani won despite being completely opposed by the Democrats and Cuomo whereas Massie lost because he was completely opposed by the Republicans. Platner also won his primaryThe reason why is simple, the right-lacks motivation. The DSA were out there campaigning for Mamdani in person, we go door-to-door, we work our asses off to get the vote. Did Massie have people doing that? I think it's possible but no where near the extent. Winning elections against the establishment is a lot of work because they have all the funding, they have the ads.It's like imagine if you are trying to sell something and you are in competition with a corporation which a massive advertising budget and celebrity endorsements and product placement. Then you better start doing door-to-door sales, in-person meets, groups, samples, anything you can, or you will lose
>>537842044AIPAC strikes again.
Why don't you pretend the voting scam is not a scam and do some analysis to make it look real?
>>537842131Voting is a scam, in a way. But you still need it to shift national beliefs and consciousness because that is required for actual change
>>537842217Good luck with that. I'll get tooled up in case you fail.
>>537842311Sometimes it takes decades of failure before success comes along. The DSA was completely insignificant for most of its history. It isn't going to achieve victory overnight, it gets there inch-by-inch. It takes endless sacrifice. Not by one person but by a mass of dedicated people
>>537842434Sounds cool. Again, good luck.
>>537842044When Trump is out of the picture, it's going to be a free-for-all scramble for power on the right wing.
>>537842638The right-wing will not exist. Not of the GOP anyway.
>>537842722It's hilarious how much the MAGA/Fox News crowd is still in denial. We're going to run out of fuel in a month and get a recession for it, and they'll still be toeing the line.When you guys get into power in a couple years, please just go all the way. The dystopia will be so comfy
>>537843092Things are not going to get really bad until 2028. That is when layoffs will jump and real wages will sharply contract
>>537843287Yes I am looking forward to it!
The Right lacks political will. It lacks the stomach for violence. The Left will win because despite all the posturing the Right does in their greasy, obese, impotent, completely useless way, the Left actually kill their political opponents. Or at least they try to.Old horse-faced Charlie Kirk found out. So did that Health Insurance company CEO - he got shot up and left in the gutter like human garbage. Someone took a shot at Trump. How many Right wingers took a shot at Obama despite all the big talk?Exactly. Eight fucking years and nothing.When push comes to shove, the Right are cowards who, ironically, look to government institutions to deliver justice on their behalf. The Left? They're their own Judgement, Punishment and Justice. And it's why they'll win.
>>537843920The right absolutely kills their political opponents, they just have professionals in uniforms to do it
>>537844011Killing a middle aged Karen at a protest and then having those "professionals in uniform" get completely castrated politically was an embarrassment and a disaster. If that's all the Right have, you should just surrender now because the Left would trade a life for that sort of neutering everytime.
>most amount of money spent *ever* to remove Massie >Bro just go out and campaign Kill yourself tranny.
>>537843920You're the type of person that think the algorithm accurately depicts reality. You have no idea.
>>537843920>using chatgpt for your fedpostingSad!
>>537844323Most amount ever spent and they still only won it among the eldest demographic. And Massie was an incumbent which gave him a huge advantage Mamdani didn't have
>>537844011Everybody's forgetting the massive pogroms of leftists after Charlie Kirk bled out in front of his wife, his children, and his various gay lovers. Like the brave rightoids said, Charlie was the "moderate" option and they were "going to fucking kill" their enemies.
>>537844596Anyone who stayed up and watched that election could tell you it was rigged.The left gets a pass for so much because ultimately they help foment the anarcho tyranny that benefits the elites. The right represents a real and dire threat, the left does not.
>>537844395Feel free to post all the news articles proving my point like that other fucking idiot who admitted "professionals in uniform" perform Right wing justice. Remember when I said the the Right rely on the government? Kind of ironic for the "small government" party, isn't it?
>>537844596>and they still only won it>only won it>only wonSo the money they spent worked then? Kill xirself.
>>537844689Charlie's politics were the same as Ben Shapiro's.
>>537844730Elections have been regularly rigged in America since founding, if by rigged you mean voting in the name of the dead or absent. You have to take it into account that establishment opposition in bed with organized crime and the Jewish mob will always do that in an election they care about, and you have to overcome that
>>537844748I don't feel any need to try and disprove you. You don't actually understand the situation, you're an algorithm brain who is oversocialized.
>>537844873It worked because Massie lacked strong volunteers marketing for him on the ground and gathering crowds and doing public talks and going to door-to-door and having rallys and marches
>>537842044This is valid in this case but the evolutionary pressures are different. Left populism is opposed by the establishment but isn't socially unacceptable - gay race communism won't get you fired from your job. This creates a niche for something like the DSA where you can organize out in the open, and that organization can end up making a difference. With regard to right populism, you have to distinguish between right populism (nazism etc.) and "right populism" (TPUSA etc.); the former is socially prohibited so you can't organize around it, and the latter, while not socially prohibited, is also largely a big donor funded astroturf operation, and so likely wouldn't go to bat for someone like Massie. Furthermore Massie himself was kind of a wildcard who didn't fit neatly into a defined ideological camp (he's against Israeli meddling in the government but beyond that was more just a libertarian and against foreign policy adventurism) so it's not clear what kind of broader "movement" would be willing to organize and grassroots campaign on his behalf
>>537846243Being strong opposed to Israel can absolutely get you fired and blacklisted
>>537847199Yes, but that was really the one verboten thing he advocated for, and it wasn't downstream of being antisemitic. I'm sure most of the DSA volunteers oppose Israel as well, but it's not social / professional suicide since it proceeds from anti-imperialism / anti-racism, which are allowed
>>537842044Its worth considering that the right is currently in a position to reject its outsiders because its so recently already been usurped by a new meta. The Republicans might be able to shut out Massie *now*, but the Republicans were powerless to shut out Trump during 2016. Remember how much the GOP establishment hated him and how it looked for a while like they might reject him from the nomination despite his popularity? There was a war there, but the GOP surrendered. Meanwhile, in 2016 the DNC was able to force through Hillary despite the fact that she was not the most popular candidate and it ultimately cost them the election.The fact is that the DNC has been fighting the movement now being called the DSA for a decade. Longer, even. Their control is finally slipping and the DSA is making ground because the DNC could never eradicate the pressure for change, only try to deny it. But that was always a losing strategy in the long run.
>>537842044>DSAwhat the fuck is this?
>>537847867The name they have given the subsection of the democratic party that actually wants to be progressive rather than diet-conservatives. Bernie, Mamdani, etc. Think of it like how MAGA exists within the republican party, but is very much its own brand of it and has its own goals that don't always align with the GOP leadership. The DSA is becoming that for the Dems.
>>537845000And you have no argument. I'll accept your concession because you're most likely some ESL, greasy shit-skin with a fake degree in IT who thinks if he bandys around the term "algorithm" enough, people might think he knows more than taking a shit in the street.I, like I'm assuming most people on this foresaken Mongolian finger-puppet forum, have no social media. I don't pay attention to any news or mainstream media, no X, IG, FB, YouTube, BBC, FOX, SKY, Al-Jazeera, etc, etc- all digital or physical information media infact. Except , on occasion, the schizophrenic ramblings here.So, do pray tell, Sukdeep, how an individual such as myself would fall victim to your omnipotent "algorithm"?
>>537842044>Massie lost because he was completely opposed by the RepublicansBy the Republican voters, he had plenty of NeverTrump allies in congress. The Republican voters fired Massie because he spent the entirety of Trump's second term impeding Trump's agenda and the Republican voters voted for Trump's agenda. This, Massie refused to do what his voters wanted him to do, and was fired by them for it. Trump's endorsements have won everywhere except georgia where the governor Kemp is a Never Trump cuck and has rigged every primary since 2018. Thom Tillis, John Cornyn, McConnell's chosen successor, they all lost because they wanted to deny their voters the trump agenda they voted for. Thune is next
>>537847746Trump was an extremely well-connected multi-billionaire and was mentored by Roy Cohn, whose son-in-law knew Netanyahu growing up, and who was given unprecedented funding from AIPAC>>537847867Democratic Socialists of America
>>537848217Bernie is not a diet conservative he is a moderate leftist fake socialist and Mamdani's policies are very far left despite his rich kid background. I get someone like Bernie larps as a far leftist socialist which he isn't but you retards have to stop this disingenuous shit where everyone who isn't a Maoist is a Republican
>>537842044>we go door-to-door, we work our asses off to get the voteKek comparing the city to rural Kentucky is why the left will never win outside the coastal urban shitholes
>>537848822He didn't called Mamdani or Bernie diet-conservatives, he called them progressive in contrast with the mainstream dems which he said are diet conservatives
>>537842044>we go door-to-door, we-Commie filth, secede so we don't have to be countrymen a second longer than is absolutely necessary. GO, be GONE
>>537844689>massive pogroms of leftistsWhat
>>537848908Door-to-door canvassing by salesmen is extremely successful in rural Arizona. You just look for an excuse to lose, and Platner will be senator for Maine
>>537848919There is no such thing as a "diet conservative" leftist. Being a capitalist is not a republican only thing democrats can be capitalists too.
>>537848787Blatantly incorrect. Trump promised to release the Epstein files. We got some heavily redacted, innocuous banter emails with years of files missing. Massie held Trump to account and then impeded his agenda after he lied to the American public.I understand you love that obese, orange, spiritually-a-woman, fucking retard - but don't attempt to omit historical deception on his part. He's a fucking liar and at the absolute best - he just protects pedophiles. At worst, he is one. And you're defending it. Grow a pair you fucking embarrassment
>>537849044>rural Arizonayou mean where they have to build everything in close developments to make the water efficient, and everyone lives on postage stamp-sized properties close together because of it?nigger, you're too retarded to understand that you can talk to 50 people in an hour in NYC because you're hitting apartment buildings and maybe you can get to 15 somewhere like Arizona Rural Kentucky you cannot and you're a complete fucking moron for not understanding that logistics matters
>>537849075Being a Democrat doesn't make you "leftist", the Democrat party is massive and includes both left and right elements
>>537849183>everyone lives on postage stamp-sized propertiesNo I mean the real world
>>537849191What "right" elements be specific and explain how they are right elements
>lol
>>537842044>The DSA were out there campaigning for Mamdani in person, we go door-to-door, we work our asses off to get the vote>MassieYou're a retard.
>>537842044Right wingers are bad at mass politics because right wingers are the kinds of people who sneer and turn up their nose at the idea of going around door to door asking normies to vote for their candidate. Right wingers don't believe in any kind of political action that doesn't pull double-duty as self-edification. Canvassing? Cringe, libtard, woke-coded, slave-moral. Right wingers would all prefer doing lone wolf terrorism and glad-handing with "secretly based" elites in smoke filled rooms.
>>537849483Neoconservative and neoliberalism>explain how they are rightBoth are about enriching and empowering the ruling class
>>537850259I have to ask, is it tobacco smoke?
>>537850292Stop with a vague shit. Pick a Democrat you consider is diet right and explain to me specifically why they are "diet right" based on policies.
>>537850490Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris>explain to me specifically why they are "diet right" based on policiesPro war in Ukraine and Gaza.
>>537850670how are those right wing views? Also do you consider Putin to be diet right for instigating the war yes or no and why?
>>537850259>slave-moralThis kind of nietzschean nrx elitist etc. sentiment is forced / astroturfed as a pseudo-based way to sell neoliberal capital worship
>>537850827>how is voting to enrich military contractors and market expansion and promote colonial genocide "right wing"?>Also do you consider Putin to be diet right for instigating the war yes or no and why?I consider Putin to be right-wing>but what do you mean by wing>what do you mean political>right? How so?>what do you mean by do?>How are you defining how??
>>537851028please answer my first question. Also give me someone that isn't diet right so we have a comparison.>autist gets mad that he can't vague answer everything
>>537851127I did answer your first questions. Fighting wars to promote market expansion and colonial genocide is right-wing cause for a while nowMamdani isn't diet conservative
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>>537842044There is no independent right and never has been. Rightoidism is the ideology of capital, king worship, and conformity. Every rightoid movement is astroturfed and funded by anglo kikes because to be independent is to not be a rightoid.
>>537851313>colonial genocide bad>Zohran "Globalize the Intifada" Mamdani badwow that wasn't hard to find hypocrisy at all lol. I think you are pro genocide just for the right targets like most far leftists
>>537851416Mamdani gets along with everyone, even Trump. He is almost the anti-Trump since Trump is preoccupied with getting into personal shitflinging with everyone over everything, Mamdani just focuses on policy and being likeable
>>537851534I never said he was bad. I like him and Sanders a lot
>>537851655"Bad" or "good" is irrelevant subjective morality. He is for something you said you were against.
>>537851655Also you invoked Sanders who is in support of defending the Ukraine. How does he not get pigeon holed with Harris and Clinton?
>>537851817Sanders supports Ukraine but he is steongly against giving them military aid and wants a diplomatic solution.
>>537851740No he isn't.
>>537851957Do you know what globalize the Intifada means?There are 2 times Bernie voted yes to support the UkraineH.R. 2471 — Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2022H.R. 7691 — Additional Ukraine Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2022Both included military aid. Ok cool as I suspected you are one of these far left children that has no idea what they are talking about.
>>537842044do retards honestly belib that the dsa took over the democrat party? They are the same party, with the same policies and ideologies.
>>537852288Of course I know what it means, I support it. Both packages also included food and medical relief and he made it clear that's why he supported them
>>537851594He gets along with Trump because they both suck the same Jewish cock.
>>537852398DSA is a small movement within the party. I don't think Cuomo and Mamdani are the same ideologically though
>>537852613He gets along with Trump because he understands diplomacy. Even Mao got along with Kissinger and Nixon while in policy he said China should be prepared for nuclear war with America
>>537842044because the GOP is explicitly an Anti-White party, thats why Massie had to go. Because Libertarianism is the ideology of the White American Male, the GOP has been explicit they want more Latinx and Jewish voters and Massie just doesnt appeal to them at all. With this changing demographic and preying on Boomers White Guilt alongside his explicit Anti-Zionism and not cowtowing to Jewish voters, he was a shoe in to lose which is sad. I am moving to the UK, but wouldve stayed if Massie won his primary.
Left and right should be thrown in the fucking trash, i don't give a shit about voting, what matters is cultural movements and voting is a means to that end and on it's own meaningless.Libertarians should stop bending the knee to leftists and rightists because they are all scum.Purist Libertarianism is the only way forward in the future.Yes you can have left/right small L libertarians but they are not true libertarians and this should be immediately recognized, all small L libertarians should be totally excommunicated from the main Libertarian movement to keep it pure and strong, otherwise people get confused about what freedom is, it's just the fucking NAP.Voting is subordinate to movements.
>>537844530>>537844395>>537844011You’re obviously the ones who are feds. You really don’t like this subject being talked about I notice.
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>>537854576Are you suggesting Roy Cohn and the Rosenbergs were playing for the same team?
>>537842044>Winning elections against the establishment is a lot of workNo it isn't. It's extremely easy because literally everybody is disgusted with the establishment 2 party shitpile. This is precisely how Trump won.
>>537854951Israel Epstein didn't work for the Rothschilds
>>537855106>>537848809Trump's wealth is .2% of the GDP.
>>537854915Jews always play both sides, he was 23 and was part of the prosecution team he was also a homo who went after gays but he probably went after those (gay or not) he thought were a threat to Israel..Jews will sacrifice their own for the cause.Lead the opposition.
>>537855773If you are killing people on the other side, that isn't playing both sides. Roy Cohn was connected with the Jewish mob which hated communism.
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