The church is going to self-destruct on July 1st when SSPX consecrates four new bishops, is this good or bad, what does /pol/ think?
Vatican II is blasphemy. Nostra aetate is antichrist doctrine.
>>537843050Are they actually going to do something or is this just all talk smoke blowing?
I like Jesus, he was a good guy. I believe he existed and that he loved the world. Apperently that is enough.I am going to heaven.
>>537843050>>537843188Vatican 2 is exactly when mass attendce dropped sharply, it's Jewish and gay
>>537843335i would call you a heretic but im pretty sure you're just retarded. there is so much more to Jesus than l0vE evR3rYB0by
I'm not gonna bloviate. The catholic church is gay and retarded and catholics are dumb cattle race traitors.Use your brains you fucking iddiots
>>537843188>>537843435I'm not a Catholic but I agree, the first draft was written by a priest who was a Jew. I don't see how anyone can remain Catholic in the face of this going on.>>537843282I think the Pope is going to declare them schismatic and excommunicate, pushing out all the Traditional Latin Mass enjoyersPope Leo XIV on SSPX: "they refuse to accept certain fundamental elements of the Church, beginning with various points of the Second Vatican Council. And if they make those choices, I am sorry. But we must move forward.">>537843801Not really actually. Jesus summed everything up into two laws: love God completely and love your neighbor as yourself
>>537843964Just be a part of the latin mass or follow orthodoxy, prots are even worse
>>537843335You have to beleeb specifically that he’s the Son of God to get behind the velvet rope, sorry.
>>537843050Gross child molester cat fight, no thanks!
>>537843050I'm Turkish; I don't believe in anything. I went to Christ Cuck School because parents didn't want to put school with bad rep drugs, alcohol abuse, and other things.Can one explain why it is bad or good?
>>537844190Vatican 2 basically said Jews aren't to blame for Christ death, no more trying to convert the Jews , no more using Christianity as a political tool, and removing the saying of no salvation outside the church and that there are plenty of ways to reach heaven outside of Christianity ,it crushed to mass attendce rates from 90% to 17%
>>537844061>jewish adviceThat's why we're in such a mess. Your people have no trustworthy examples outside of Bobby fischer or brother nathan, basically only anti-jew thought-terrorist examples...
>>537844427Or my favorite , picrelPlease give them a better advice if you have
>>537844061Protestants are worse, how? The Vatican is Satanic outright>>537844190I think it is good that the Roman Catholic Church is being exposed and falling apart, I hope a bunch of people leave, like the Protestant Reformation. But I'd be kidding myself if I didn't say Protestants also need some reform...
>>537844593Vatican 2 is satanic, Jesuits are satanic , but Catholicism isn't.And prots don't use the correct old testament,prots in the USA worship the Rothschild created Israel , prots in the USA were literally controlled by a Jew, even martin Luther thought about converting to Judaism Google the no nothing party and see who's the founder
>>537843050Which side is tarting the anti ai, anti angloyid mutt butlerian jihad?
>>537844739Nice try but everyone knows Martin Luther was antisemitic
>>537844739All mainline denominations of Protestantism reject dispensationalism, btw
>>537844987He was antisemitic after reading the Talmud, but prior he was philosemitic, and his entire religion sect was coopted by Jews, he even regretted it, ending up killing himself sadly, all schisms were bad, weather it's the first one or the second one
>>537843050Doesn't matter. The Orthodox Church is the one true Church.
>>537843188the entirety of the papacy and romanism is antichrist
>>537845046Yeah, but which one is the biggest and most powerful? Which one has a grip on the American mind?Think about it, why does prots the only denomination that uses the masoretic text instead of the LXX? Why were 5 books removed from their canon?
>>537843050>another schismatic german sectI've seen this before.
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>>537843964>Jesus summed everything up into two lawsno, he did not abolish the lawlove God = first 4 commandmentslove your neighbor = last 6 commandmentsthat includes not having idols and to remember the sabbath day
>>537845254Am I wrong? Please tell me which statement was wrong
>>537844376All of christianity is stupid gay shit which pushes race mixing.Look at Franco. Look at Pinochet. Look at Winston Churchill who said keep Britain white.There is no good strain of christianity. It's all shit
>>537845174nobody removed books, retardeveryone has access to the LXX if he wants to
>>537843050What a good catholic™ can do and still go to heaven:>participate in a ritual featuring pagan Aztec gods>maintain relations with female bishops from the church that was established because one psycho wanted to have divorce on demand without killing his wives. >Become a Jew (Jews don't need to believe in Jesus to go to heaven)For what a catholic will go straight to the hell:>Participating in a catholic mass but in Latin.
>>537843050The pandemonium that the Vatican has become must be wiped out.
>>537845329you're a jew you're always lying, even if you're not conscious about it
>>537843188>Vatican II is blasphemysadly the Catholic Church was infiltrated very early on!
>>537845353That's bullshit, because if it was true, Europe would be brown by the 12th century >>537845379These books were included in the ancient Greek translation of the Old Testament (the Septuagint) but were excluded from the Hebrew Masoretic Text. During the Protestant Reformation, reformers chose to follow the Masoretic Text over the Septuagint, leaving these texts out of the Protestant canon:TobitJudithWisdom of SolomonSirach (or Ecclesiasticus)Baruch (including the Letter of Jeremiah)1 Maccabees2 Maccabees
>>537845488Please , show me where I'm lying, debunk me, please
>>537844987People parrot this but they never point out the timing- which is critical. Luther became antisemitic *later* in life (culminating in writing the famous work) after he saw the results of the Protestant reformation. Prior to that, he was exceedingly friendly and grateful to the Jewish community for their financial support and scholarly discourse on the Old Testament. Gee wiz, I wonder what may soured his opinion between the start of the reformation and at the end of his life. It’s almost like he’s regretful of having trusted them or something. Protestantism was always and will always be a Jewish psyop.
>>537843050Catholcism is a mafia, that's why it attracts mexicans and italians. It's also a fiction, and if I wanted, I could start vatican 3 tomorrow and there is not a fucking thing anyone can do about it.
>>537843435Wrong. V2 was in response to low mass attendance. Then the boomers of the time responded by clown masses and pushing ultra leftist doctrines.>speaking in english rather than latinOh noes were going to hell goys>consecrating a host facing the congregationAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH>not praying for kikes anymoreOmfg were dooooooooooooooomedGo be gay and jewish somewhere else, kike
>>537845382Jews believe the Goyim go to heaven just by being good people while they have to follow all sorts of rules instead. No wonder their panties are in a twist all the time, they're jealous.
>>537845806Research correlates the reforms of the Second Vatican Council (Vatican II) with a significant, long-term drop in global Catholic Mass attendance. Studies indicate that changes implemented in the 1960s contributed to a worldwide reduction in participation of roughly 20 percentage points between 1965 and 2010.
>>537845571no, they were not included to make the OT shorter.the deuterocanon adds nothing of substance.the masoretic translation was a massive mistake tho, I give you that.
>>537845937Bullshit, it was to remove the idea of pergutory , shouldn't have removed any books , and you don't even know the half of how bad the masoretic text is
>>537845816not exactly, they consider Christianity idol worship in violation of rule 1 and also all sex outside 1 man 1 woman in marriage in violation of rule 4. Together, that damns most of the western goyim
>>537845594Luther didnt kill himself or regretted anything.throughout his life he changed his mind on many subjects, for example the transubstantiation of the mass.Luther was a living person, not a wojak meme the catholics try to portray him as.
>>537846017purgatory is a heretical teaching.>just buy your loved one out of hell bro
>>537846113Or , just like orthodox,pray for the dead.
>>537843050There is only one Catholic church. This "SSPX", whatever it is, are nothing but heathens and heretics.
>>537844095yes, Matthew 10:33Choose wisely anon
>>537845594Luther didn't ACKhis sin was giving birth to what, one day, would become evangelitards. but the rest is just banter, don't worry too much about it
>>537846174>orthodoxso catholocism light with all its false teachings?And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgmentHebrews 9
>>537846232how many times did Peter deny Jesus?
>>537845549These are roman laws after the catholic church became the state religion of Rome. Blame the swarthy mutts in Italia, not the Universal Church
>>537843188this. Pius was the last real pope
>>537845571I’m gonna have to agree Jewbro, Christianity was the only thing keeping browns to the east of Greece from 400-1500s (save the Iberian monkeys)
>>537846280Oh, so a new 500 year old sect has the answers the 2000 something year old sect doesn't?
sspx has always been in schism this isn't new lol
>>537846458Iberia was , for all purposes, a Jewish Muslim colony
>>537843050what, do some catholics even want to import more niggers
>>537845816That is not true whatsoever. Jews believe goyim can be redeemed of their sinful goyim nature if they humble themselves and intentionally and willfully serve the Jewish people and follow the commandments knowing full well of their sinful nature. If the goy does good for good’s sake it doesn’t count- they have to *know* they’re submitting themselves before the chosen people.
>>537846483yesthe reformation was an act of God to judge the blasphemies of the Harlot Church.to deny that is to deny the omnipotence of God. Luthers life has the handwriting of the Holy Spirit all over it.the Reformation was the first time the roman church was not able to persecute and kill its enemies thanks to the printing press.
>>537846570Actually the opposite. SSPX holds that nations have an obligation to support Catholicism as the religion- and that failure to do so is heretical. It is basically unpozzed Catholicism in every way
>>537846539>taking what christcucks wrote as factI don't think any other group has existed, even the kikes, that are as disingenuous as the Christians. Act high IQ, but can't even count properly, can't even understand the meaning of basic elementary words, and distort text and history to fix their own narratives
>>537846684So basically latin mass?>>537846656Sure bro, sure
>>537845158maybe on planet retard
>>537846788Stfu, you should be sucking my Dick for giving you a prophet fucking homo
>>537843050No the Church will not self destruct. A ultra traditionalist group will be excommunicated until they say sowwy. Until then the rest of us who also enjoy the TLM will continue and the faggots at the novus ordo will continue to be faggy. The sui iuris churches will do whatever
>>537846841And if I prove to you Amina was a pagan not a Jew, will you throw that filthy idol the cross in the toilet and take a picture?
>>537844061Unless this is Cardinal Pizzaballa posting from Jerusalem you need to be quiet. Permanently.
>>537843964>love your neighbor That doesn't mean let people invade, destroy and rape your civilization
>>537843050the Church is illegitimate anyways and has just been used as a source of power/control among those who wield it
>>537846925Nah, I'll just wait for your copes
>>537843435A true follower of Christ's church is his heart. God doesn't reside in a building. I don't care if all these miserable boomer hovels go under
>>537846807ignorance is bliss...>>537846825yes, having another man other than Jesus between you and God is totally biblical.catholocism is the continuation of the levitical priest class that has been officially done away with to have access to God.28 After this, Jesus, [a]knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst!” 29 Now a vessel full of sour wine was sitting there; and they filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on hyssop, and put it to His mouth. 30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.
>>537847004>Abdul UZZA and abd MANAF aka worshippers of pagan gods are now Jews See how these filthy man worshipping christcucks lie? The use their disgusting lying tongues to lie about each and every single thing they can. Imagine using narratives by christcuck orientalists as fact.Now show your evidence aka non christcuck sources. You never will.
Just learn astral projection you fucking idiots.https://annas-archive.pk/search?q=Mastering+Astral+Projection+in+90+DaysThere you go.Stop wasting time on theology and religions. Find out for yourself about your eternal soul and the life beyond the body through actual experience.Everything else is fake and gay. So much bullshit built up by people, the only true path is the practical one of firsthand experience and development and realization of the self.Religions are all fake and gay bullshit and the institutions built around them are political in nature and about money not spirituality.
>>537847185Lmao >the first quran was written 42 years after the death of mohammed>the three men (caliphs) mohammed trusted most with reciting the quran scattered to three different regions of arabia to preach it>they decided they should get a written copy because remembering the proper recital was becoming difficult>each caliph transcribes different copies of the quran>each accuses the other of corrupting the quran>islam nearly goes into civil war>a random guy called Uthman claims he has the correct recital>how or why he has this is not explained>he convinces the caliphs (the men who mohammed trust most) to burn their copies>they do lol>uthman literally writes his own quran>uthman and the caliphs have ALL other surviving copies of the quran burned>including the past works of the caliphs themselves>the only quran left is the one written by Uthman>Uthman is now the sole author of islam and was buried in a Jewish cemeteryMy Dick is still unsuckes, I'm waiting Muhammad
How do you let a jewish homosexual infiltrate, rewrite your doctrine, while he goes back to being a fag and bragging about it? That destroys the Catholic argument against other Christians that they shouldn't read the Bible and think about it for themselves. Catholics say don't read Bible, don't draw your own conclusions or ideas, listen to the homo priest decked in purple and gold instead
>>537844593Everyone should study consciousness, study and practice meditation, study logic (the rules of reasoning), do energy work, do yoga, etc. not just read insane bullshit about foreskin obsessed fake god and try to make sense of it. I hate that I wasted so many years of my life on systematic study of theology just to realize in the end that the less you hear of anything Christian in a so called Christian movement, the better. If you have to be a Christian be a Swedenborgian, New Thought, Spiritualist, follow Rudolf Steiner, etc. just anything that will take you away from the inane bs in the middle-east and towards universal principles and actual experience instead.
I really don't understand the whole reverence behind the pope. It's strange that people can be brought up never being critical of a person
>>537843188christianity sucks
>>537843050>sspxthe fuck is this some catholic sect shitcoin?
>>537844739>Jesuits are Satanic Read about Augustin Barruel and Nicolas Deschamps.
>>537845382You're absolutely confused and have no clue what you're talking about here.One thing that is actually admirable about Catholicism is they emphasize that the way is through virtue. Unlike many other Christian cults that instead scapegoat Jesus as a human sacrifice to an angry God and say their sins are upon him. In Catholicism you have to actually follow the way of the saints to get anywhere. That is far closer to truth than the hurr durr jesus died for you do you accept this now you go heaven shit that is common in many sects.
>>537847543>I really don't understand the whole reverence behind the pope.They cried out, “Away with him, away with him, crucify him!” Pilate said to them, “Shall I crucify your King?” The chief priests answered, “We have no king but Caesar.”
>>537846017The religion would be very much improved by just removing all the books of the Bible and instead simply telling the actual truth instead of a bunch of parables and irrelevant pseudohistories and other bullshit.
>>537847543the Pope/Church had tremendous power in the past. it still has it somewhat but it is obviously waning and ceasing to be meaningful as time goes on and religion is shown to be the fraud that it is.
>>537845088He didn't kill himself,it's a false myth,i say this as a catholic
>>537847704>Nicolas DeschampsCouldn't find the second one, first one is basedSurprised Diego Laínez and Alfonso Salmerón tho...
>supposedly the one true church that will never defect>can't go to any regular parish or listen to the pope or your local bishop or priest according to randos on the internet
>>537843050Go SSPX!
>>537846113Purgatory and the thing you're talking about are two entirely different topics.Purgatory is the concept that some will suffer for awhile to be made fit eventually to go to Heaven.The buying people's salvation crap though the term is called "indulgences".
>>537847444>the first quran was written 42 years after the death of mohammedCool, evidence? Now name who actually wrote a gospel not who it's attributed to and I'll become a cross licker like you right now>the three men (caliphs) mohammed trusted most with reciting the quran scattered to three different regions of arabia to preach it>they decided they should get a written copy because remembering the proper recital was becoming difficultEvidence? Again a distorted claim by a lying christcuck that never happened>each caliph transcribes different copies of the quranEvidence? Didn't happen and you can't point out any differences in the ahruf>each accuses the other of corrupting the quranLies, let's see the proof >islam nearly goes into civil warDoesn't, another lie by a christcuck. And you'll never present the proof>a random guy called Uthman claims he has the correct recitalHAHAHA imagine misreading the hadith this bad. Used the copy from hafsa>how or why he has this is not explainedWhat a LIAR. Here's the exposee pic rel HAHAHA>he convinces the caliphs (the men who mohammed trust most) to burn their copiesThe other "caliphs" were dead retard >they do lol>uthman literally writes his own quran>uthman and the caliphs have ALL other surviving copies of the quran burned>including the past works of the caliphs themselves>the only quran left is the one written by Uthman>Uthman is now the sole author of islam and was buried in a Jewish cemeteryFalse there are different ahruf. See how they LIE?https://sunnah.com/bukhari:4987
>>537847444Now about crosscuckery>Jew rabbi circumcised gets allegedly ACKed>All the vagina followers run away>No witnesses>Jews make fun of crosscucks because the messiah was NEVER supposed to die>Didn't sit on the seat of David and didn't unite the people>They had to put in the narrative that this was necessary to happen>Enter Paul the kike >Subverts entire movement and makes a Jew divine >Pagan Greeks who already worshipped men as gods accept it>Pagan Constantine creates the most retarded and dumb doctrine of trinity>No one knows who wrote the gospels >Earliest full manuscript available is 400 years after jesus Let's see how well you can count. How many gods are in the trinity?
>>537847826>but it is obviously waning and ceasing to be meaningful as time goes onthe roman papacy is more powerful now than it has been ever before.the papacy runs the world through their jesuit agents.
>>537843050If the Vatican excommunicates them before the German bishops then the Vatican leadership must be Satanists. What other explanation is there? I would like to know.
>>537847972>>537848000>80% of the Quran is copied from the Talmud >Omer IBN Salem, uthman, and Rabbi Mukhayriq amongst other kikes surrounded and effected Muhammad >Literally was killed by a kikess when his role was over Again,why is my dick unsuckes ?
>>537846892See >>537848174
>>537847060Isn’t that what Judas said?
>>537847837https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Deschamps_(writer)Eng wiki is empty about Jesuits, this page also contain almost nothing. No wonder the Jesuits conspiracy works well.There were bad apples but they were pionneers in naming the intentions of free masonery and seeing the link with the enlightment philosophy.
>>537848000Ahmed the inbred goat fucker talking about Christianity lol. Your prophet was a fag and liked little boys as well it seems.
Who gives a fuck if a bunch of schizophrenic pedophiles have a domestic dispute about their fanfic lore? The whole thing is fucking retarded zogslop
The Bible is a bunch of books written by fallible and very ignorant men.Why do you guys not just learn astral projection?It's really basic, I've gone far beyond astral projection in the decades of my interest in the powers of the mind/spirit, you can like that book says learn it in 90 days.When you realize you have an astral body that can be decoupled from the physical body it changes your perspective on everything and helps you to stop fearing, and lets face it, the whole point of a religion is for people to cope about death.What do you need all the religious bullshit for when you can just step outside of your body and observe for yourself the life beyond the body and know that the death of the body is not that big of a deal?Then you can focus on the here and now: your character, how you effect others, your relationships, how noble of a life you could live, etc. instead of just getting caught up in religious bullshit.
>>537848000Who impregnated Mary you inbred mohammadan goat fucker? From your own sources, what does it say about Jesus' birth?
>>537846350only once after pete received the Holy Spirit, and paul straighten him out (Galatians 2:11–14). but if you refer to peter's denials during Christ's passion, the Lord Jesus restored the apostle quiet clearly in John chapter 21, and always "the blood of Jesus speaks a better word" than any accusation.
>>537848186>80% of the Quran is copied from the TalmudAgain a false claim. The mishna aka the oral law has many truths in it. When the Talmud says there's only one god is it lying?>Omer IBN Salem, uthman, and Rabbi Mukhayriq amongst other kikes surrounded and effected MuhammadImagine believing orientalists this hard>Literally was killed by a kikess when his role was overCan we see the autopsy which proved his reason for death? Meanwhile didn't your Jew god literally get raped on a + sign like a little bitch by a gaggle of kikes? They threw shit and jizz on him kek
>>537843188Just convert to Protestantism dumb shitskin.>>537843435YOU BELONG IN AN OVEN FUCKING KIKE DECEIVER!
>>537848392 >Jewgpt Lmao They were all kikes you fucking retard >According to Islamic tradition, Muhammad's death is widely attributed to the lingering effects of poison consumed years earlier. While he fell ill with a fatal fever and headache in 632 AD, many scholars and historical texts state that the poison ultimately led to his martyrdom
>>537848298Bro your god loved to touch itty bitty kids and used to FREAK when someone wouldn't let them come near him? And didn't he have a naked boy escape him when he got arrested?
Son, you must choose...>worship God who obsesses over foreskins and who creates confusion and whose followers clearly bear no worthy fruits and who forces people to perform enormous mental gymnastics to make any sense of the schizophrenic drivel and will have you learning about a bunch of sandpeople as if the universe wasn't way bigger than the squabbles of some retards in the desertOR...>learn astral projection and the mental nature of reality and the many ways through which mind and nature work, understanding fully and without confusion the eternal laws of the cosmos, achieving perfection and ever increasing your capacity to actually help your fellow men to conquer all fears and all problems
>>537848392Everything you say is negated by the fact your prophet got fucked in the ass. It's funny how confident and cocky you appear, yet what is your answer for this event? And please, don't embarrass yourself and start talking about djinns or some shit.
>>537848391my point was that satan will sift every believer like wheat, not just Peter.
>>537848374Didn't your god impregnate his OWN mom? Or was it some other god? And if it was the daddy god were his parents married? Wouldn't that make him the bastard god kek>>537848519>>According to Islamic tradition,Show where it says that was the cause of death
Notice that the Abrahamic retards can't even respond to any of my posts and can only squabble with each other.
>>537848607>gnostic talking pointjust take the L and fuck off
>>537848607>This shit again Nowhere it states he was a pedophile, Muhammad on the other hand...
>>537848742Nothing in his post is gnostic, wtf you on about. Gnosticism is where you learn from actual experience through meditation, prayer, fasting, etc. all the things only people like me do and the weak-willed and undisciplined christcucks never do.
>>537848719Sahih al-Bukhari 4428Narrated Aisha: The Prophet (ﷺ) in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison."
>>537847726Jesus called out the Pharisees for their hypocrisy, knowing that virtue signalers are doing that for ego, guilty conscience, and ignoring the downsides of their actions. Will God be smiling on the people who put in welfare and opened the borders? Or will he say why didn't you worry about the burden you placed on others, and then consider this your deed. I think God will smile on small things, that no person recognizes as a great work, they did it from kindness and forgot.
>>537848652Can you show it in the sahih literature? Besides the same word for possession in Arabic and Hindi/Urdu are the same. When someone gets possessed you write down that they are being ridden. Along with other meanings as well. It must be hard for you to understand but languages don't give one to one translations you dumb cross licker
what the fuck is a SSPXi hate cathcucks so much it's unreal
>>537848607>And didn't he have a naked boy escape him when he got arrested?nope. everyone can read it themselves (Mark 14). when Jesus was arrested his followers scattered, and when a boy ran away the arresting mob grabbed the boy and he ducked out of his 'light tunic' to run away. everyone had their clothes on until the mob came to arrest the Lord and harass His followers. >of course the zutt-positive would try to insert pedo-fanfic
>>537848719Muzzrat really revealing your true colors huh? Good, let everyone see what you rats really believe, we already see by action what your pedo prophet and your fellow inbred paki brothers do on a routine basis.
>>537848815Let's see the hadith number for that. Not like it's maudu or anything right?>>537848868Where does it say that that's the cause of death? Doesn't say in his ailment which caused him to die.
>>537848947Come on man, you're going to tell me that "riding" means possession? That is some weak taqiyya, though I don't suppose you have any other explanation.
>>537849134Hadith number 16245So wait you calling Muhammad a liar? He said that the poison killed him and you say he's lying
>>537848391God you people believe in such stupid shit.
>>537843050sspx commands little more than some schizo congregations in the us and brazil. it matters fucking nothing if they split
>>537849018How did he get naked? You don't just get naked just like that you retard. He was arrested for being a lestes child trafficker and rapist. He loved to touch little boys>>537849078>no chains given to verify>Hasan grade by who exactly?It has a broken chain retard kek>>537849287Yeah it does. Literally means it in my language along with clamouring on or acting insane. All of these can come from being "ridden". Can even show you in Hindi>>537849342Doesn't say this is my reason of death. But let's look at christcuck comprehension..When jesus said the father is the ONLY true god was he a lying kike too?
>>537849663The narration has been quoted with one or more chains of narrators by al-Tabarani[1], al-Bayhaqi[2], Diya al-Maqdisi[3], Ibn Abi al-Dunya[4], Tammam al-Razi[5], Khatib al-Baghdadi,[6] and Ibn Asakir al-Dimashqi.[7]Except for al-Bayhaqi and Tammam al-Razi, the isnad (chain of narrators) given by the rest includes Qabus bin Abi Zayban who has been graded as a weak narrator.Ibn Sa’d said about him: “There is weakness in him and he is not to be sought evidence with.”[8]Abu Hatim said: “He is not to be sought evidence with.”[9]Al-Nasa‘i said: “He is not strong.”[10]Al-Daraqutni said: “He is da’if [weak].[11]For this reason al-Nawawi (d. 676 AH)[12] and Ibn Hajar (d. 852 AH)[13] termed this report as da’if.Oooooooooof nawawi and ibn hajar classified it as daif. Cope now? You christcucks worship a circumcised JEW. A JEW was your god. His dick was cut. He came out of a vagina, used to eat and shit, drink his mothers milk from her breasts. That's supposed to be god? What a pathetic bitch god. Thought god was supposed to be all powerful
>>537849663>How did he get naked?says so right in the textAnd they seized him, 52 but he left the linen cloth and ran away naked.
>>537849869That's not how clothes work you moron. He was already half naked wearing his boy prostitute lingerie
>>537849936youre a sick fuck
>>537843050Same thing happened to the episcopal church years ago. There was a battle over gay. Gay won and took the real estate from the non gay side. Petty shit
>>537849663>Brown shitskin cannot understand the trinity >>537849936Like your prophet, you're a freaky cunt
>>537843050Based fuck Vatican 2
>>537850025Did I ever have a melty over people telling young children not to come to me? You know what's sick? Saying someone who used to squat and squeeze turds out of his asshole was god
>>537850095Ok can you understand troonity? How is there one god but not three? Explain without using modalism and partialism and appealing to gay ass scooby doo "mystery" and I'll go eat the flesh of chrust and shit it out right now
>>537850128>Did I ever have a melty over people telling young children not to come to me?you would understand if you realized satan targets children.there was this whole history of israel passing their children through the fire to moloch.satan targeted Jesus personally after his birth when all the newborn were slaughtered.so yes, God coming in human form to bring an end to that makes perfect sense. I couldnt give less of a fuck if he had bowel movement.
>>537850206>>537850095>>537849936>>537849869You're all a bunch of Abrahamic faggots - there is no difference between your shit religions. God does not exist - grow up, and go fuck yourselves.
>>537850290>God coming in human form to bring an end to that makes perfect senseBut the bible says I am god and not a man. So was the OT lying? And yes you're talking about the almighty creator of the heavens and the earth. If I accept what you're saying why shouldn't I just accept that god is in the anus of a cow like Hindus say? They say it makes perfect sense
>>537850473>God says he is not man while in heavennot the gotcha you hoped for.
>>537850025He's a Paki, they're the most deranged and rabid of mohammadans, it seems.
>>5378502063 forces from one being,3 natues of one being
>>537845571>>537845571The Bible has been translated, retranslated, and edited and re-edited a thousand times over by the rich and powerful. This is why have people wag their finger at you while quoting the Bible is ridiculous. At this point it's much more the word of man than god. What's important aren't the words, it's your connection to God. Which you must reach yourself by overcoming the challenges life presents you.>>537843050God gave us our freedom and will so we can live life as we choose. Not so some gay faggot in a robe can boss you around. The Vatican isn't holy, it's just another man made beurocracy. If you're following the Vatican, you are not following god.
>>537850802While there isn't a single universal "percent changed" metric for all Bibles, modern translations usually share about 97% to 99% agreement in their core message. Differences emerge from translator philosophies and new manuscript discoveries, altering specific verses.
>>537850605>doesn't say while in heavenYou know anyone who doesn't have your theological commitment of fitting in the trinity will never see it in the bible. Numbers 23:19New King James Version19 “God is not a man, that He should lie,Nor a son of man, that He should repent.Has He said, and will He not do?Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?Again it makes the distinction that god isn't a man.>But it says that he should lie!!!!! Aha gotcha!!But even more so. It says that the god of Israel will NEVER sleep or slumber and jesus slept.
>>537850791Cool so this is one chicken then right? One nature three persons?
>>537850940One person 3 natures, nice tariqqayh
>>537843435Forgot your flag Chohm.V2 is apostate and satanic.
>>537850984What? Do you even know what the distinction between ousia and hypostatis are? And you said I don't know what the trinity is. Hilarious. So is it one being (nature) and three persons(hypostatis)? So by that logic there's one chicken
>>537850881Modern translations all agreeing with each other just mean the couple rich ass publishing housing that print shit agree with each other. That isn't saying much that the rich and powerful all agree with their own message. Doesn't change the fact that this shit has been altered and realtered time and time again to suit the needs of powerful men.The book isn't what's important. God is.
>>537850900Isiah 714 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.Isiah 9For to us a child is born, to us a son is given;and the government shall be upon[d] his shoulder, and his name shall be called[e]Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end,on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold itwith justice and with righteousness from this time forth and forevermore.The zeal of the Lord of hosts will do this.
>>537849864jesus wasnt a jew, thats been debunked for a long time nowbut what's really interesting, is the screenshot. its right there, the prophet sucked nigger dick! wow!
>>537843188Based
>>537851333I was thinking that nothing will amaze me after the Zuttening.
>>537851249Doesn't say virgin in the original text though, the Christian translators made that into virgin.https://biblehub.com/hebrew/strongs_5959.htmThe word is actually young woman. Go look at it yourself. >>537851333So his dick was snipped and he was in synagogues with a Jew mother for funsies? And he said us Jews know what we worship but you Samaritans don't for the kicks of it? And he was called rabbi for what reason?
>>537843050The SSPX is already not in communion with Rome. These are during the talks to bring them back in.
>>537851333The barely spoken of difference is Jesus would have been an Torah Jew. The current Zion Jews are rabbinical Jews. Totally different, apples and oranges. Rabbinical Jews were invented from thin air. Two separate species
>>537843188100% thisimagine not wanting to convert jews and muslims???
>>537843188Did you know the guy who pushed nostra aetate was a jew who "converted" to catholicism?
>>537851541How about this one, explains why muzzies hate dogs. Bur so do Jews apparently, so maybe it's a semite thing.
>>537843188Fpbp. Jesuits have infiltrated the church. They are Satan worshipping pedophile Jews.
>>537851554youre literally a 70 iq brown nigger-dick-sucker-lover lol
>>537851582not a jew at all actually, might want to study more
>>537851554>implying a young woman cant be a virgin
>>537851582DONT google who the galatians were bro
>>537851893the papacy endorses the jesuits
>>537851963Why was his dick cut you retard and why was his mother a JUDE? Fucking dumb JEW worshipper
>>537852079Never said that. However it is by implication. I know you guys don't like tovia but he makes way more sense than any Christian that can't even speak Hebrewhttps://youtu.be/zBBDK0NPzxM
>>537852320>muslim>listens to rabbi
>>537852051Either way he wasn’t a rabbinical Jew like the Zionist claim
>>537852394>listen to a Christian about JEWISH scripture Why should anyone listen to a Christian? You guys distort text more than anyone else. The rabbi makes sense and can flawlessly make his case. If he didn't then I wouldn't listen to him. Easy as that.
>>537846113Only to an autistic german mind who can accept to be sacrificed for God's greater purposes only if he doesn't see the sacrifice. Purgatory is intolerable because it makes him aware he's a freier.
>>537851635Not only that but he was a sodomiteGregory Baum was his name
>>537852187his dick was cut because it was law and punishable up to death, 'retard'you can call them jews all you want; it doesnt make it true
>>537852589Why is the druze so active itt
>>537852702>because it was law and punishable up to deathhttps://sttimothysacc.com/circumcision-of-jesus/Here's what Christians say though RETARD
>>537845382This is why I always find it incredibly amusing when twitter Catholics tell others they are going to Hell for defying the Pope's stance on Nostra AetateNigga, by your rules NO ONE is going to Hell!
>>537852589you are refined in the furnace in this life, not after death.
>>537852880ive been providing images that debunk any notion of jewish heritage being accurate or plausibleshitskin 70 iq working overtime huh lil goat ass eater
>>537843335>What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? >Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?>For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.-James 2:14-26salvation is by gracebut your works are the fruit of your faith
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>>537845353the bible has always been against race mixing- https://rentry.org/Deus_Vult_XPfor thousands of years, christians have been against race mixing- https://rentry.org/Deus_Vult_NIincluding the national socialists- https://rentry.org/Deus_Vult_KAand many christians today - https://rentry.org/Deus_Vult
>>537847568you would say that, tranny
>>537848000>how is the trinity one god and not threebecause that's what makes sense when you read the bible. that there is only one god, and that he appears as three persons. here are some examples to help you wrap your head around it.>modalisma computer programmer (the father) makes a game via code (the spirit), and selects an avatar to play as (the son).you can see how he can die, while still being alive.>partialismstarfish and octopuses have neural networks in their limbs, essentially giving them independent brains.you can see how even though it's one organism, the three can hold a conversation with themselves.both modalism and partialism are considered heresies, because they do not fully represent the greatness of god.all analogies break down eventually, as god is like nothing else in creation>"To whom will you liken Me, and make Me equal and compare Me, that we should be alike"- Isaiah 46:5there are writers like Augustine of Hippo and Thomas Aquinas that you can look into the work of, for a non-heretical understanding of the trinity.but the best that i can describe it is something like this:there are things that are essential / the essence of being god- uncreated creator, all powerful, perfect, etc.before anything was created / time even existed, the son and the spirit proceed from the father.even though they are distinct persons, they each fully possess the essence of being god.trinity in the old testament:- https://youtu.be/odNoExd8a5U- https://youtu.be/rp92-3aBL-A- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CBh8lmgecs
>>537853114Have you even read what you're posting you dumbass? The Pharisees were being followed by these so called "modern" Jews that you Christians need to cope with and label as, to make a separation from your god being a Jew. Pretty funny. If you want I can pull up the LXX or Masoretic where jesus himself used the word Jew. To say he was different doesn't mean anything to anyone else. A Jew is a Jew. And you worship one.
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>>537853325Do you have this shit photocopied or something? I read Augustine and he says people who have a perverse love of logic are the ones who are misguided. So therefore trinity is not logical.
>>537848365>memeflagthe national socialists have always advocated for christianity - https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_gegen_Geheimlehren_und_sogenannte_Geheimwissenschaften
>>537843050>a schism of a schismOh nohs
>>537848610>why was circumcision implementedseveral reasonsfor one, it was to remind them not to be degenerates (fags, race mixers, etc)>"If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell."- Matthew 5:29-30but mostly, it was a sacrifice. an acknowledgement of god's authority since he is the creator of the world, he can even order abraham to take away the life of his firstborn son, isaac>"All that open the womb are Mine, and every male firstborn among your livestock, whether ox or sheep. But the firstborn of a donkey you shall redeem with a lamb. And if you will not redeem him, then you shall break his neck. All the firstborn of your sons you shall redeem. And none shall appear before Me empty-handed."- Exodus 34:19-20let alone a circumcisionbut that was in accordance to the old lawwith animal sacrifices at the temple, etcgod established a new covenant, through the death and resurrection of jesus, the messiah a sacrifice of the firstborn son of god>"Abraham looked around and saw a ram caught in a bush by its horns. He went and got it and offered it as a burnt offering instead of his son."- Genesis 22:13>"The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ."- Galatians 3:16so now we no longer have to keep circumcision physically, but mentally >"Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation."- Galatians 6:15>"Circumcise your hearts, therefore, and do not be stiff-necked any longer."- Deuteronomy 10:16
>>537848740christianity is not "abrahamic">"Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Then [the jews] took up stones to [kill] Him [...]"- John 8:58-59nor is islam, by the waythe claim that "arabs come from ishmael" is not only non-biblicalit would not even be relevant, as arabs do not see themselves as a chosen race "from the seed of abraham" as the kikes do >"The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ."- Galatians 3:16you have a kike's reading of the bible
>>537853343yeah, im reading what im posting; youre not. english is my native language, unlike you. ultimately i have a far more nuanced and capable understanding over youjudaism was destroyed entirely in 70ad after an event youve probably never heard of occured>If you want I can pull up the LXX or Masoretic where jesus himself used the word Jew.it better be in the original greek lmfao
>>537853360You didn't even read what I wrote and your picture isn't relevant to what I wrote. Please refrain from using your copy pastas to yourself. If you can't type down a proper reply then don't waste my time. I would rather get insulted than have to speak to a copy paste machine
>>537846656>>537847068based Hans
>>537853423humans are not all knowingthus we cannot rely on logic alonewhat we believe is ultimately based on trusteven the atheist trust his senses, that he is not hallucinating or in a computer simulation >"For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees?"- Romans 8:24that said, the arguments themselves presented for the trinity are logical you just don't care enough to study and address them
>>537853515Despite English being your native language, you're unable to process it and understand that your god was a Jew. Here you go. Now even if Jews got blasted in 70, or had a reform in their religion, it's still based on the original Pharisaical religion which jesus said you have to follow. I can see the angle of your cope>Nooooo they were judaaaaaeeens not Jews!!!!! They were SO different!!!Listen, they all got circumcised, they all said lakhaim lakhaim, they're all literally the same. Whatever cope you want to make doesn't fly. A Jew is a Jew and you worship one.
>>537853528you claimed that the earliest sources of jesus are from the 4th century, which is not true
>>537853785>humans are not all knowing>thus we cannot rely on logic alone>what we believe is ultimately based on trustNo if something is completely irrational and confusing then we don't believe it. God is not the author of confusion right? And if the trinity is a mystery why should I accept it because you who believe in it can't accept it yourself
>>537853856No I said the earliest full gospel present today is from the first century. See this is what happens when you aren't willing to read just copy paste blindly.
>>5378539794th*
>>537843050Oh noes, the schismatics are schisming again, who but God could have forseen this?Return to the One, True, Orthodox Catholic Church before it's too late, Latins. Revelations makes it clear that the RCC is the Whore of Babylon.
>>537846788>christians act high IQthe scientists in your science books are christian
>>537853834>it's still based on the original Pharisaical religionyeah, the images i posted said that, and also that jesus wasnt involved>>Nooooo they were judaaaaaeeens not Jews!!!!! They were SO different!!!the images also said he wasnt a judeanhow retarded are you buddythe image you posted vindicates my argument
>>537846925we do not worship the crossyou're just mad that it reminds you of jesus
>>537847185if christians are such cucks, how come we conquered the planet
>>537843335If you actually believed Him, you would do as He commanded you to do, but because you do not, you have only "faith", and faith without works is dead.Faith alone is not enough. It was never enough. Service is also required, and service means obedience to Him, and the Apostles, and the Church they set up in His Name.
>>537848000>Jewjesus's Y chromosome comes from the fatherand he wasn't a talmudic kabbalist either (books which weren't written until 600 years after Christ)>"Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Then [the jews] took up stones to [kill] Him [...]"- John 48-49he's not "a jew", he's god>rabbijust means teacher>allegedlysee >>537853360it's funny how atheists deny Jesus but don't deny any other ancient historical figures. The first history of Cleopatra came from Plutarch and was written more than one hundred years after her death. There is more written about Jesus in the one hundred years after his death than there is written about Julius Ceasar. Why don't atheists deny Cleopatra or Julius Ceasar existed?
>>537843050Écrasez l’infâme!
>>537854285Bulgarians were the ones getting conquered though
>>537854197I swear by Allah I don't know why I ever even have a conversation with a Christian. It was my mistake I should have learned my lesson but I always get baited. You go believe what you want to believe but the fact is that jesus was a Jew and 99% of the world accepts that fact whether you do or not doesn't matter at the end of the day. Because he was.
>>537848000>the messiah was never supposed to dieread: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah%2053&version=NKJV
>>537843050>what does /pol/ think?/pol/ is Jewish-leftist so they will celebrate everything that weakens the Catholics.
>>537854494Yes Isaiah 53 isn't about the Messiah it's about Israel, the suffering servant. Go read the previous and next chapters for context
>>537843188Yeah okay abo plz tell me more
>>537843050Why is their logo super gay?
>>537843335Nah leaf pajeet you gotta do good too
>>537848607refutation of your blasphemy here:- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEcNq5P9GlgRX_MWz4ukT9GeYKr0TPZGY>"“But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea."- Matthew 18:6
>>537854481>99% of the world believes this lieTruth is not found through consensus. If 99% of the world, as you say, believes He was at all related to what we today call jews, that merely means that 99% of the world is wrong.
>>537843435I like mass options in vernacular though Mister jew
>>537852481
>>537854708>I am right and everyone else is wrong He was a Jew at the end of the day. The fact is the only people who won't say he's a Jew are Christians. Why? Because then they'll have to admit they worship a Jew. That's the only reason. To everyone else: Jewish mother, snipped, synagogues= Jew. Easy as that
>>537853921again, we do not know what we do not knowand again, the arguments for the trinity are based on logic that you simply refuse to engage with
>>537854812Its only right wing e-christians that have a problem with it.
>>537854577>it's about IsraelHe was despised and rejected[b] by men, a man of sorrows[c] and acquainted with[d] grief;[e]clearly speaks of a man
>>537854768I mean Jews do worship one god at the end of the day not 3 like Christians. Can you explain how trinity is one god not three without modalism, partialism or appealing to mystery? (You can't)
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>>537854768Anyone watching other people talk on screens as a source of knowledge of and understanding about the world is literally gay.READ NIGGERSCOME UP WITH YOU own IDEASTo paraphrase Platos warning from 2300 years ago:Demagoguery is democracy’s internal contradiction—rule by the many without rule by reason.When persuasion outruns truth, freedom becomes the instrument of its own destruction.
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>>537854481the fact is, is that im more intelligent than you because i am of noble White blood and my knowledge is strengthened by God Himselfwikipedia also says the kalergi plan is a debunked far-right conspiracy theory, so it must be truekill yourself nigger
>>537843050Again?
>>537854906see >>537853325
>>537853146That can't be right that ordained priests have the same rate as ministers. It doesn't take seminary to get that minister, title, it just takes being employed by the church to do a thing like youth ministry.
>>537854902Yes Israel the collective is spoken of as a singular in the previous chapters. You should know this
>>537846622Orthodoxy is the closest thing to true christianity. The thought that you can become christlike; regardless if you believe it is possible to attain, makes sure you follow christ closely. The infallible pope concept is jewish as hell! Every man, born with sin, except jesus. Every man capable of sin, even in pursuit of becoming christlike. A man preserved by the holy spirit? What the actuality of FUCK is that blasphemy?
>>537843335Lil bro doesn’t know that faith without good works is death?Sad!
>>537854943Congratulations can everyone clap for this guy? Just by the way a compliment is only a compliment when someone else gives it. Pretty pathetic when you have to praise yourself. Lol what a loser. >>537855076Read it. Explain how it's one not three gods without the heresies and appeal to mystery
>>537845353>There is no good strain of christianity. It's all shitFact.
>>537855148Israel as a collective is referred to as a female, not a man.
>>537854906Read the Athanasian creed and be grateful nobody called you a heretic for saying "three Gods" like that.
>>537843335You must believe he is the truth, the way and the life. You cannot believe that and not do "works".
>>537855191the Holy Spirit conforms you to the image of Christ, not you yourself by your own works.
>>537843050Good, the pope should be hit with a drone strike and we should set up a new vatican in St. Louis.
>>537843050https://youtu.be/g-2Didi1bnk
>>537855229see >>537853275
>>537855224im not praising myself, im praising God. im telling you that genetic reality is responsible for your shortcomings, also known as being an inbred brown shitskin that lost an argument like a toddler
>>537843335This what protokikes actually believe. They think you can fuck whores, kill children, scam your brother and sister and you'll go to heaven as long as you cut of the tip of your dick and say "I believe" without actually believing
>>537854907Your point? Are you trying to say Christianity peaked in the 19th century because then Russians finally came to save ur asses while meanwhile you didnt conquer anything?
Prevost is a practicing satanist and you can bet your ass that he already raped little boys to death.
>>537855282Oh god. Fine waste my time here you goIsaiah 48:20New King James Version20 Go forth from Babylon!Flee from the Chaldeans!With a voice of singing,Declare, proclaim this,Utter it to the end of the earth;Say, “The Lord has redeemedHis servant Jacob!”Isaiah 44:21New King James VersionIsrael Is Not Forgotten21 “Remember these, O Jacob,And Israel, for you are My servant;I have formed you, you are My servant;O Israel, you will not be forgotten by Me!Isaiah 42New King James VersionThe Servant of the Lord42 “Behold! My Servant whom I uphold,My [a]Elect One in whom My soul delights!I have put My Spirit upon Him;He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.2 He will not cry out, nor raise His voice,Nor cause His voice to be heard in the street.It's a massive Christian cope to say that all of second Isaiah is talking about the servant Jacob but then outta nowhere bam the Messiah. Come on bro
>>537855521nigger, the entire book of Isiah is about Jesus Christ.
>>537855493>Are you trying to say Christianity peakednopebut that generation was more pious than the ones you're referring to>you didn't conquer anythingif that were true, we would not existwhen in reality, it is the pagans who do not existcommunism fell tooand the neo-liberal world order is also coming to an end
>>537855614According to who?
>>537855659according to the written scripture.
>>537855659like look at this >>53785552142 “Behold! My Servant whom I uphold,My [a]Elect One in whom My soul delights!I have put My Spirit upon Him;He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.this is 100% about Jesus Christ.>God says he is well pleased with his Son Jesus>the Holy Spirit descends on Jesus like a dove>brings the gospel to the gentiles
>>537855721Where does the written scripture say it's about jesus specifically?This is what I was talking about when I said that Christians pervert the scriptures that they get their hands on. You have a theological commitment to force your 3 gods in the OT but no one else does. So why should anyone accept what YOU say about the JEW scripture rather than listen to what a Jew says about it?
>>537849663total jewish style of argumentation.>"what hadith number?" as if you could not search for a hadith by a text fragment>"no chains given to verify">"what typographic font was used to print it">"how many people have read this hadith, anyway"dude, if you took this seriously, you'd investigate all this for yourself instead of performing for us here.
>>537855849Jesus literally said do not preach to the gentiles since his mission wasn't to do that, only to the lost sheep of Israel. So the fact is that it couldn't be jesus. If anything it would be prophet Muhammad
>>537855885I have. The apocryphal texts say that Christian women will become men and women will not go to heaven. Should we accept that too? Or are you now going to implement a Jewish style of argumentation too?
>>537855914ahahahahayes, he was sent to the lost sheep of Israel. what did they do to him in the end and why went the gospel from the jews to the samaritans and gentiles?muhammad is a false prophet and false teacher, he accomplished nothing but the work of satan.
>>537856010>what did they do to him in the end and why went the gospel from the jews to the samaritans and gentiles?Nothing. They did nothing to them. And it was actually the filthy lying snivelling kike rat Paul that was the deceiver. He said you can eat pork, no need to get circumcised, no need to follow the law and can eat meat sacrificed to Vishnu and Hanuman if it doesn't get your brother to stumble, but the apostles say that you cant. He was a wolf in sheep clothing. Do you think human sacrifice is a good thing tho?
>>537855992I'm an atheist and I shit on what christards or goatfuckers believe. it's all just barmy fairy tales. but you keep lying, because asking for information step-by-step like you did is not the behavior of someone who is interested in the truth, more like desperate stonewalling from a position of ignorance.
>>537855655>more pious than the ones you're referring toHow. Are you saying since they were conquered they couldnt have been as pious?
>>537853091Christianity is a dissipative process piloted by the jews, not by volition but as a matter of fact. To avoid their culture being dissipated by the process of history, jews redirect this energy in dissipating other cultures, namely the pagans. The project has been very successful so far because christianity has the structure of a semi-rebellion, but also semi-subserviance with respect to jews: first as a denunciation of the paratism of the elites, second as a seduction of the frustrated ego, which leads in a third time to the idea that "we are better than jews" and we're going to "show them because we're not as vile as they are". Of course this mental knot doesn't contain but redirect the energies of resentment and the christian man is left uprooted with a sensation of not belonging to the world (or rather that the world is an oven, yes one of these oven). What does he do with all this energy and all these free roots in search for a soil ? He seek to convert other non-christian so that these energies can keep circulating in the melting pot. What matters in a recipe is that the kitchen utensils you use do not get consumed as you make it, otherwise you can't finish the cake you're preparing. How would you be able to reach the oven stage otherwise?Local coherence. That's what your words stand for. Keep being coherent then, keep being a brick in god knows what kind of temple you're being a part of. You won't be here anymore to see the result. If in the end it's Moloch's temple, well, it's not your fault, you're a mere tool, and if it's God's will in the end then so be it. "I won't be here to see it". That's why my father, a follower of christianity main's extension, namely atheistic scientism. Sacrifices are not necessary, here is the junction point. In particular when it's your own and you're not aware of it. Maybe because those who point it out have exited the circle of reason.
>>537856196Listen there are scholars that have spent volumes upon volumes disseminating text. We have a specific standard and criteria for accepting narrations because people may lie or memory can become faulty, so a cumulative case has to be made for things to be taken as authentic. So why shouldn't I apply the same criteria?
All abrahamoids are different flavors of retarded.
>>537856138>Nothing.wrong, Israel rejected Jesus. thats why the gospel went out to the gentiles. Jesus talks about this in his teachings.>Paul that was the deceivernot according to Peter and the other apostles like James.>you can eat pork, no need to get circumcisedthe ceremonial law for access to God has been abolished with the sacrifice of Jesus who fulfilled all the law.>no need to follow the lawbullshit, he never said that. we are to keep the 10 commandments, God did not abolish his law.but keeping the law does not make you righteous before God, so a jew who thinks keeping the law will never be righteous before God.>and can eat meat sacrificed to Vishnu and Hanuman false, Paul was present at the council of Jerusalem and he prohibits idolatry.you are the lying deceiver here.>Do you think human sacrifice is a good thing tho?Jesus offered himself up. he could have commanded legions of angels and just walk away, but he accepted the cross for the sake that sinners could be forgiven.
>>537856374thats not what youre doing though. you were short circuiting when i was a step ahead and you werent paying attention LOLthank a White man for your phone and internet connection when you get a chance
>>537856220>but also semi-subserviance with respect to jewsstopped reading there. what a bunch of bullshit drivel.
>>537856215>Are you saying since they were conquered they couldn't have been as piousthe one true god favors those who follow his commandmentsdon't fall away and you won't be cursed (ex: Leviticus 26:14-20)that saidgod can cause you to lose as a means to test you (ex: book of job), or as a means to bring about a greater good (ex: joseph in egypt)
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>>537856381see >>537853506
the ones subservient to jews are the anti-christian communists
>>537856482>and can eat meat sacrificed to Vishnu and HanumanOnly if it isn't going to be a bad influence on others. Probably, better to abstain for how much it might engender suspicion. This goes for everything. Your deeds aren't in a vacuum, you have to want to be a certain way for the benefit of the people around and this often means giving up liberties that aren't necessarily bad deeds, but can lead others into temptation. That's what the chapter is really speaking towards.
>>537856482>not according to Peter and the other apostles like James.Yes in acts the apostles say this for the gentilesActs 21:25New King James Version25 But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided [a]that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.”>Meanwhile here is the rat giving permission to eat meat sacrificed to idols1 Corinthians 8:4-8New King James Version4 Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.7 However, there is not in everyone that knowledge; for some, with consciousness of the idol, until now eat it as a thing offered to an idol; and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. 8 But food does not commend us to God; for neither if we eat are we the better, nor if we do not eat are we the worse.>bullshit, he never said that. we are to keep the 10 commandments, God did not abolish his law.but keeping the law does not make you righteous before God, so a jew who thinks keeping the law will never be righteous before God.That's what Paul says. But why should we accept the snivelling Jew rat Paul?
>>537855355your post is incredibly jewish per usual x8200
>>537843050>CATHOLIC CHURCH IN FULL-SCALE SCHISMAdherents of the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) make up roughly 0.04% to 0.06% of the global Catholic population. With a worldwide Catholic population of approximately 1.4 billion, the number of people regularly attending SSPX chapels or following their Masses is estimated to be between 600,000 and 800,000 globally.
>>537856556>>537856750Christians are the less antisemite because by definition it's also a test of their character. Cue the long list of lesser punishments this other anon provided. "See we really don't like the jews". All I see is "but if we were to get rid of jews we would be the new jews". Not too dissimilar to the bargain that is currently offered to Europe: lose your body or lose your soul, fight the invaders and be painted a nazi or do nothing and be complicit in your own fate.You'll die like a Moriori and your customs will be forgotten and your virtues attributed to your persecutors. History can't be as complex as your souls could remember it unfolding back when they were still alive. It needs drastic simplification to keep composing further. Thank you for your sacrifice, in particular because it will not be remembered. That's what's precious in it!
>>537845144Get lobotomized, retard
>>537857109why do muslims hate Paul so much?
>>537845806V2 granted qualified immunity to jews. If you believe your own eyes you incur automatic excommunication.
>>537859208That quote is based. Western people think too much and have inflated heads and atrophied fat bodies. Overthinking and forcing children into chairs all day to make them overthink is how you get shitlib atheists.
>>537845144Eastern orthodox permit divorce and remarriage.
>>537859322Because he was a liar. There is some claims that he was actually an undercover kike sent to subvert the true followers of jesus into a state law abiding bunch of good goys. I'm assuming you're a German and therefore can speak German. If that's the case read up on German scholarship on Paul. They've done some great work and present good arguments with their evidence.Theologie und Geschichte des Judenchristentums (1949)Paul - Wilhelm Wrede
>>537860152I think you are just utterly incapable to understand the teachings of Paul because you follow a false prophet and thus have not received the Holy Spirit.repent.
>>537843964Sspx aren't the only ones doing Latin Mass. Any priest can do it I'm in Illinois and many parishes here have it.Sspx isn't schismatic for doing Latin mass, they are schismatic for consecrating their own bishops without the approval of Rome.
huh wow you mean to tell me the glorified hot topic clothing corporation of christianity (paulism) is splitting again? reminder luther did nothing wrong
>>537843050Old news, this already happened: October 31, 1517
>>537860267????That just begs the question though. Why should we assume you are correct about Paul when that's the very thing that's in contention? Repent for what exactly? And repent why? If jesus died for my sins, then why would I have to repent? Thought they're already paid for. If someone pays my debt do I still need to pay it back?
>>537843335The devil also believes all these things.You forgot the part about confession of your sins, repentance, and a living under the Lordship of King Jesus.
>>537843050the irrelevant fucks won't change a thing
>>537843050I wish they were big enough to elect an Anti-pope
>>537853123thisSaving Faith = Serving Faith
>>537860435Every Christian before Luther was a heretic? Luther was a blatant flip flopping, hypocrite with a visible lack of divine guidance.
>>537860752Not every Christian, but the "Official" church doctrine had false teachings added over time.
>>537860572because Jesus said so.its setting your worldly ambitions aside and giving control of your life back to God who created you in the first place.as long as you take charge of walking the path of your life your only destination is destruction.> If jesus died for my sins, then why would I have to repent? Thought they're already paid for.because you have zero assurance that you are forgiven.only with a new conscience do you know you are forgiven.
>>537860879>because Jesus said soWhen did Jesus ever meet Paul or speak about him? You know he didn't but the liar Paul claimed he saw a light and that was jesus. Cool story bro. Proof?
>>537843050The post- Vaticanum II Church has nothing to do with the Catholic Church.
>>537860872False like sola fide?
>>537861008his writings and life are in alignment with being born again in the Holy Spirit.
>>537861008Muhammad was a cross dressing sex pervert who got demon possesed. He wore his wives dresses. You are a faggot. Now fuck off.
>>537843888>trips of truththis board is literally all bots
>>537861266So he said you aren't better or worse eating food sacrificed to idols but the apostles said it's forbidden. Which one is it? Sounds a lot like he was a liar to me.
>>537861384he said it isnt an issue because we have one God who provides us food, but if you dedicate food to idols then you serve other gods and become defiled.but for the sake of the weak in mind we are not to eat food that was offered to idols so that they are not encouraged eating food offered to idols.this is in alignment with the council of Jerusalem, that gentiles are not to defile themselves with idols. it is good to eat food in thanksgiving to the one true living God.false gods do not get dips on food.
>>537861384Yeah, because idols don't exist. Placing food on a rock doesn't change its substance.
>>537861725>that gentiles are not to defile themselves with idols.False. Says ABSTAIN Acts 21:25New International Version25 As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.”>that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols>that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idolsShould they ABSTAIN or not? And if they can have idol meat why not allow sexual immorality since it's the same sentence?
>>537854307Thief on the cross. Get obliterated.
>>537845256>>537843335>>537844987>I was sent only to the lost sheep of IsraelIt was always fake gay jewshit
>>537861870its better for you to abstain but it doesnt influence your salvation.the question is, are you aligned in your mind with the one true God or are you feasting at the table of other gods. then it becomes spiritual adultery.>why not allow sexual immoralitybecause it pollutes the body and the body belongs to God.
>>537862146So basically it's just a suggestion. Therefore even sexual immorality you can just do but it doesn't influence your salvation I take it? You're free to eat from idols and you're free to brothel it up
>>537862218no you are not. you are not to walk in the ways you were used to walk in.the Holy Spirit changes the way you think and what you do.
>>537862366Can you eat meat sacrificed to idols? It's either a yes you can or no you cannot you must abstain. So either the council was wrong or Paul was wrong. >the Holy Spirit changes the way you think and what you do.Ok and? I changed my life without ever needing the holy spirit by my own sheer will. Gave my up sins and even started good deeds. So what's the use of it?
>>537862500you should abstain from it, its that simple.or do you think if you were tricked into eating food that was polluted by idols instantly cancels your salvation? no, because its not about food. do you not get it?>my own sheer willyes, its your will and not the Will of God. thats the difference. you play your own god by saying I dont need God to be good. the same lie of satan that you can be like God by your own works.>Gave my up sins and even started good deeds.all our righteousness is like filthy rags. your good deeds are nothing if you do not accept the good deed God provided by offering up his only Son for your sins.
>>537856650>god can cause you to lose as a means to test you (ex: book of job), or as a means to bring about a greater good (ex: joseph in egyptThats a nice cope to explain losing. But I guess its better than feeling hopeless.
>>537862779>do you think if you were tricked into eating food that was polluted by idols instantly cancels your salvation?But Paul says you aren't better or worse for it. And it's a right. Also by that reasoning you should abstain from sexual immorality but if you do it it's all fine and dandy and you still get your salvation.>all our righteousness is like filthy ragsAccording to who? Christians? Why should we accept that? The original sin doctrine is bullshit anyways and the OT negate that. That's why the Jews never believed in it. The bible says that if the wicked turns away and follows the law he will be saved. Don't see any man god being sacrificed there. Read it yourself Ezekiel 18:21-28New International Version21 “But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die. 22 None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live. 23 Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign Lord. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?24 “But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die.25 “Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Hear, you Israelites: Is my way unjust? Is it not your ways that are unjust? 26 If a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin, they will die for it; because of the sin they have committed they will die. 27(((( But if a wicked person turns away from the wickedness they have committed and does what is just and right, they will save their life.))))
>>537843282It's formalizing the status quo where these American "tradcaths" are Protestant in all but name. Now they get to be what they really wanted all along: Protestants with smells and bells.
>>537863124>Don't see any man god being sacrificed there.idk why I even argue with you. your own religion teaches that you have to walk around a rock to have your sins forgiven.absolute clown shit.>Also by that reasoning you should abstain from sexual immorality but if you do it it's all fine and dandy and you still get your salvation.1 Corinthians 312 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— 13 each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.
>>537848876God is not a personal being and what happens in certain mental states is that your consciousness grows very much and you suddenly realize in exactly what ways you've hurt others or helped others and you get to experience again all the dramatic moments of your life from different perspectives and with much more full understanding. You don't have to die for this to happen but some of the people that come close to death get this experience but you can also just learn it through astral projection.Also not growing your consciousness is its own punishment. Imagine that you could only sense the world very vaguely. Then keep in mind that many people experience higher consciousness as more real than real, ultra-vivid, extremely beautiful.
>>537863403>your own religion teaches that you have to walk around a rock to have your sins forgiven.Doesn't say that. It says that keeping the commandants can result in sins being removes. But a man god dying on a stick baal style is a good thing?>Corinthians Kek Paul again the liar who contradicts the prophets. Why should we accept him?
