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Imagine living in a red state lmao
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>>537870104
Lol, no.
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You know something is wrong when the Trillionaire Jews are telling you to read the Bible like you did 20, 40, 60, 100 years ago.

Fucking Shabis, stop mutinying! Get a job so I can grab shekels off you!
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Which version of the Bible?
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>>537870104
The road to salvation leads through Jesus Christ.
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>>537870181
you retard
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>>537870104
Painfully based unless they're pushing the kiked scoffield. Duoay Rheims only
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oh no no no no
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>>537870234
The one with Trump and Epstein
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>>537870104
It's an important piece of literature that has shaped the world. How is this any different than any other novel students are required to read? Or is this just tranny seethe, kike
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>>537870104
red state: mandatory to read the bible
blue state: mandatory to cut your dick off
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>>537870234
There was actually a story where an Oklahoma education secretary (or whatever the title was called) that wanted to spend a few million dollars to buy official Trump bibles for Oklahoma schools that became a scandal even in Oklahoma with how blatantly corrupt it was in an attempt to curry favor with the orange king.
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>>537870104
Based. You should be more open to culture OP and quit being a luddite retard.
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>>537870104
>forced to read A Raisin in the Sun and To Kill a Mockingbird
>this is fine
>forced to study Bible
>reeee nOoOOO
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> nooo you can’t require the single most foundational classical text that would have been the most essential part of any classical education in your curriculum!!!
You lost tranny
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>>537870104
This won't end in lawsuits or a supreme court hearing.
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>>537870333
She gets sliced into pieces for being a whore t h o.
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>>537870104
This will likely have the opposite effect of what was intended. Catholicism worked for so long because so few read the Bible itself. I'm not bashing Protestantism or Catholicism or etc, far from it. Or the Bible on its own merits.

But the more people who read it post-Darwin, shit is just going to keep getting weirder. Industrial level scale production of people on a triune spectrum from like Dawkins (vehement rejectors) to James Talarico (cringe literalists) to Chud the Builder (based literalists).

When our countries were just white with whatever minority and so many petty ethnic and religious squabbles were put aside (because everyone was culturally Christian) all literacy including biblical literacy was good. Atheists were powerless in any explicit sense but people with doubt just had more tact and grace out of humility before the universe, and genuine spiritual connections through church and family even if they rejected the slop of it all. Now we are so divided in so many ways.
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>>537870234
Greek
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>>537870426
I live in Washington and still have my dick.
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>>537870234
Scofield Bible, with sermons by Joel Olsteen. They're going to make sure those kids learn to worship Jews and money. That's the GOP way!
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>>537870234
scofield
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>>537870741
Mandating the Iliad in Greek, that you're able to recite 50 lines would be a high IQ move for a state. It may take a whole semester but it would be a good bar to set.
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>>537870802
>Self reports himself as a non compliant publicly
Get this guy
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>>537870104
nothing wrong with that
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>>537870104
i bet they are going to memorize genesis 12
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Based. Read the bible, you filthy fucking heathens. Read about the synagogue of satan.
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>>537871151
Moving all the jeets from Texas to Greece would increase the IQ more.
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>>537870104
>Blue state education
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>>537871277
New testament isn't kosher.
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>The Trillionaire Jew wants me to go to church and believe in Christ Jesus that the Jews hung on the cross at bethany to save our sins from the evil jew lol.

haha, sounds good bro, can we hang Jesus Christ on the cross a second time and make it illegal to go to church or be a Christian and feed those motherfuckers to the Lions like old times?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgT8URb0HO8
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>>537870104
Texas is a brown state, like 10% white kek
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>>537870104
based.
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>>537871330
>can we hang Jesus Christ on the cross a second time
Sorry best we can do is a striptease while he is hanging on the cross in dodgers stadium.
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>>537870104
The Bible or the Scofield Bible...
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There is supposed to be a seperation of church and state, this clearly violates that.
It will be overruled, or overturned, or appealed, or remain "in-effect" but unenforcable.

Any district actually complying with this dogshit is asking to get sued.
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Will this force non-christians to read the bible? I guess making indians into christians will make them poo in the loo and burn down their demons.
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>>537870104
The problem starts with the "read" term.. right? ;)
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>>537870426
It's funny how only one of these is true but rightoids refuse to live in reality
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>>537870426
I live in Texas and can't read.
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>>537870517
First amendment of the Constitution states that Congress shall make no law enforcing or prohibiting the practice of a religion
>>537870643
Unfortunately the supreme Court hates the constitution and wants it gone.
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i hate what conservatism has become
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Don't americans have a ton of subversive books that are required reading?
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>>537870104
Separation of church and state needs to be enforced more than ever. All religions have no place in public education. If you want your kid to read the Bible, Quran, Talmud etc. in school there is this thing called private school. Send them there
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>>537870104
>>537871315
>this or that
we are living in hell
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what's wrong with that?
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>>537872738
Hell, send them to Bible camp during the Summer, if you really hate them enough.
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>>537872577
John Roberts wants it to be more of a book of guidelines, like Pirate Law, for an all-powerful President.
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>>537870104
Based
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>>537872386
>t. thinks women have penises, men get pregnant, and there are 1000 genders
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>>537870104
reminder that cucsktianity psyop is part of the alien psyop, they need cuckstians to scream demons when the fake alien invasion happens
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>>537872577
>First amendment of the Constitution states that Congress shall make no law enforcing or prohibiting the practice of a religion
So?
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>>537872577
Leftists support laws prohibiting "hate speech" (speech they hate).
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>>537873416
>least schizophrenic heathencuck
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>>537870104
Yayyyy let’s be mentally ill together! Fucking retards. Somebody glass that shithole.
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Convict Karmelo Anthony in 2 milliseconds
Require Bible reading

Blessed
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>>537873394
You have some weird fantasies.
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>>537870802
Eastern or western?
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>>537870441
>trump branded bibles
>probably not even kjv
Holy shit the absolute STATE of protestants
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>>537870104
which bible, which politically neutered translation of kiked church propaganda are kids going to read? because I know they're not reading the original scrolls
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>>537873557
https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(11)62799-7/fulltext

Most studies have shown that religious involvement and spirituality are associated with better health outcomes, including greater longevity, coping skills, and health-related quality of life (even during terminal illness) and less anxiety, depression, and suicide.
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>>537873557
www.forbes.com/sites/nicolefisher/2019/03/29/science-says-religion-is-good-for-your-health/#445372e43a12
>Science Says: Religion Is Good For Your Health

>There is ample reason to believe that faith in a higher power is associated with health, and in a positive way. For example, researchers at the Mayo Clinic concluded, “Most studies have shown that religious involvement and spirituality are associated with better health outcomes, including greater longevity, coping skills, and health-related quality of life (even during terminal illness) and less anxiety, depression, and suicide. Several studies have shown that addressing the spiritual needs of the patient may enhance recovery from illness.

>That said, the lack of knowledge linking religious behaviors and health is fascinating given that health care is deeply rooted in religious institutions, and vice versa. In fact, it was religious organizations that built many of the first hospitals, and clergy (supplementing low church wages) were often practicing physicians and medical providers.

>80% of research on spirituality/religiousness and health focuses on mental health. This is because most associations with faith are related to how one thinks about the world and their role in it. Words that are often associated with religious beliefs include connectedness, hope, optimism, trust and purpose. All of which have been shown to boost mental health. Compassion, forgiveness and gratefulness are also qualities that are strongly associated with individuals who are spiritual and religious. Practicing these qualities is thought to be associated with deceased stress and increased resiliency.
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>>537873557
researcherslinks.com/current-issues/The-Wager-Renewed-Believing-in-God-is-Good-for-You/9/5/42/html
>The Wager Renewed: Believing in God is Good for You

>For example, consider the conclusion of a meta-analysis published by panelists for the National Institute of Healthcare Research:

>The vast majority of studies report that religion has salubrious effects on health. Indeed, beyond case-reports and samples of fewer than 10 people, we have found no evidence that religion can harm health in representative samples of community residents or in systematically sampled clinical populations….We believe that the state of the evidence probably reflects reality…the dominant pattern is one in which religious involvement either has no effect or has positive effects on health. (George et al. 2000, 110).
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>>537872577
>Congress shall make no law
woah i didn't know texas was congress
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>>537870234
The whole list appears in this article:
https://apnews.com/article/texas-curriculum-bible-board-vote-06530403ff91c10462382422003e109f

Not positive why, but they swap between at least three versions:
>New International Reader's Version
>English Standard Version
>King James
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>>537873631
Leftists like you love to lie and gaslight.
Thanks for showing this to everyone.
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There are a lot of Indians in the South now, and reading the Bible is a +izzat, and quoting the bible correctly even if its out of context is ++++izzat.
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>>537873760
See >>537874298
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>>537872577
CONGRESS shall make no law. Is Texas "Congress"? No. The incorporation of the 14th is a disgusting, 20th century jewish trick to attack States rights.
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>>537874451
>muh jeets
Texas is officially like 40% spic. Unofficially, it's well over half, since they count a lot of them as white. And the whites who do live there are rabid Zionist faggots who think people, primary young people, turning against Israel is the number one issue facing the country. They hope that by forcing people to read the bible, they'll turn them into good goys.
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>>537870333
Ezekiel 23:20 and Old Testament Trips

Genesis 19:30-38 is also pretty awesome
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>>537872577
Does one consider reading as practicing religion? Does one that reads Harry Potter practice wizardry?
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>>537875691
I like Ecclesiastes as a literary masterpiece
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>>537870536
>>537870517
you have no arguments
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>>537870104
reading it redpilled me on jews
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>>537870104
It's great how mad jews and muslims are about this.
Don't like it? Go back to your fucking country then.
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>>537870104
You should be required to read the Bible, John Milton, and William Blake. It's a foundational work of English literature.
>>537870234
King James obviously, the one of literary value and power.
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>>537870234
The Zionist Jewidified Bible printed in Tel Aiv.
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>>537870104
Not just any bible
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>>537877247
Wasn’t kike James king of the foreskins?
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>>537870104
It's a foundational piece of literature for all western civilization. Believe it if you like, reject those beliefs if you like, but you can't deny its importance to history and the development of society.
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oh no the jeets won't like this one
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>>537877432
>It's a foundational piece of literature for all western civilization.
So is the Talmud, you think we should teach that in school as well Scholomo? I guess we are just throwing religion and state secularism out the window.
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Seems reasonable, but only the New Testament.
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>>537877593
>Seems reasonable, but only the New Testament.
no that is anti-semetic, only the Old Testament goy. This is a JUDO-Christain nation, goy.
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>>537870104
>last state to end slavery
>first state to return to slavery
pottery
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https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/1-enoch-from-the-complete-54-book-apocrypha-2022-edition-lsv-by-covenant-press-copyrighted-non-commercial-fair-use-permissable/287795565
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>>537877647
>last state to end slavery
the last states to end slavery was Delaware, Kentucky and new jersey.
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>>537877593
>>537877645
>dimwit normie faggot christcuck debating what part of their desert scam fairy tale fantasy that they role-play is right or wrong
you are literally kike cattle.
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>>537877687
Malachi already knows that
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It's a great book. Violence, philosophy, magic, love, betrayal, murder, sacrifice, sex and adventure.
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>>537877744
Do you want me to post the images of Texas being a kike Israel shit hole with jeets infesting it?
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>>537877732
>you are literally kike cattle.
I don't believe in kike on stick religion.
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>>537870234
Original hebrew. But then again, that only goes back to like 600 BC at the most.
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Based
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>>537870104
Retard state was the stronghold for creationism as well. Fatmericans would have all been reading about it in school books because the textbook market in Texas affects half the nation.
The main reason for all this "read the bible" bullshit is of course to increase support for Israel. Nobody shills for Israel like evangelicals.
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>>537877797
No
I just ate
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>>537870104
How many Christians actually read the Bible? Obviously before the printing press and widespread literacy the number was nearly zero and before the Bible was canonized nobody was reading it so it has really never been an important part of being a Christian.
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>>537870104
Why is controversial? How is different than being required to read Homer or F. Scott Fitzgerald?
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>>537877732
Stupid heathencuck.

Jesus rose from the dead, and that's a proven historical fact.
Christianity is the true and correct religion.
We will continue to spread it, and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

Christianity is true.
God is real.
Demons are real.
Hell is real.
Heaven is real.
Jesus is Lord.

https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writings/scholarly-writings

https://laurazpowell.org/blog/just-the-facts-maam-the-minimal-facts-argument-for-the-resurrection-of-jesus

>The best explanation for the facts agreed upon by virtually every scholar of every religious persuasion and worldview who has studied the evidence is that Jesus actually rose from the dead. If someone wants to dispute this, they must deal with the evidence, including the criteria for historical reliability, and offer some reason why this explanation falls short or provide a better explanation for the facts.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=12syh8dPOto

https://youtube.com/watch?v=JzklRPDfAj0

https://capturingchristianity.com/fact-fiction-resurrection-jesus-comprehensive-case/

https://crossexamined.org/the-minimal-facts-of-the-resurrection/
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>>537877913
>>537877913
>Why is controversial?
Ok make Quran mandatory reading in class. Or the Talmuid. After all, 1st amendment is dead we have no secular state.
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>>537877826
Kike means anti-Christian.
A stick is a small thin piece of wood.
Why don't heathencucks know the meanings of words? Are they stupid, or merely evil and deceitful?
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>>537877553
>So is the Talmud
Wrong.
>I guess we are just throwing secularism out the window.
Good.
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>>537878037
the bible is proven fiction in 2026.
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>>537870104
>kids read Bible
>learn that republicans claiming to be the Christian party is a fucking joke
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>>537872738
>>537871594
Separation of Church and State means that the Church doesn't get to run the State. It doesn't mean we establish an atheist state and ban all religions! It doesn't mean we ban Bibles from schools! It doesn't mean you can't have a religion!
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>>537877975
No.
>we have no secular state.
Good.
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>>537877975
I have no problem with the Quran or Talmud being mandatory reading.
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>>537878115
Wrong. It's proven fact.
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>>537878111
>Good.
Schools are for education, not for religious theocracy. We are one of the stupidest nations on earth with the worst education system on earth. Texas is one of the stupidest states in America. How will this help anything? There is a reason South is so fucking stupid and starts with r (religion)
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>>537872738
>Separation of church and state needs to be abolished more than ever.
Fixed that for you.
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>>537878165
>I have no problem with the Quran or Talmud being mandatory reading.
So why is it just the Bible? Why not every religious text ever produced? there is 2,000 religions created by humans since existence. As long as we teach "this is fictional, nobody should believe this sky fairy crap" I'm ok.
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>>537871594
>There is supposed to be a seperation of church and state
Wrong.
>this clearly violates that.
Also wrong.
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>>537878208
I don't care what a leaf has to say about US politics.
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I had to read Genesis in Sophomore Year to get us ready for the Jew propaganda Night (much of which is sold as true but the author later admitted to hyperbole)
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>>537878179
It starts with N for niggers
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>>537878326
and niggers tend to be the most religious Christians in America, thanks to white faggot slave owners teaching them the bible.
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>>537878179
>not for religious theocracy.
Reading the Bible isn't "theocracy".
Of course a stupid redditor like you doesn't know the meaning of words.
>We are one of the stupidest nations on earth
Wrong.
>with the worst education system on earth.
Wrong.
>Texas is one of the stupidest states in America.
Wrong.
>There is a reason South is so fucking stupid
Wrong.
>starts with r (religion)
Wrong.
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>>537878324
>I had to read Genesis in Sophomore Year to get us ready for the Jew propaganda Night (much of which is sold as true but the author later admitted to hyperbole)
Thankfully I live in Pennsylvania, where we are secular society where our public schools don't teach kike and Christfag propaganda.
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>>537878278
Clearly you do. Stupid heathencuck redditor.
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>>537878394
>Reading the Bible isn't "theocracy".
with the barrel of the gun of the state forcing you? It literally is the definition of theocracy. I could go to jail if I don't want my kids being taught that shit.
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>>537872577
Reading the bible is not the same as practicing it. It could be a legitimate part of studies of world cultures and American history.
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>>537870342
Holy fucking based...
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>>537878412
They teach you that women have penises, men get pregnant, and there are 1000 genders.
That's heathencuck education.
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>>537870104
jesus will save the indians
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>>537878470
>Reading the bible is not the same as practicing it.
Reading the entire bible and treating it as the religious tradition of America?

>It could be a legitimate part of studies of world cultures and American history.
if it was treated as a fairy tale, yea sure. We got people who believe this crap is real. Once society is 100% non-religious ok. I think society is collapsing regardless.
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>>537872738
>>537870104
This is a grossly dishonest headline. A Bible passage is part of a lesson. Some kike sues demanding it be removed. The state says no, which it’s allowed to do because otherwise would be viewpoint discrimination.
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>>537878470
Same people who think saying Merry Christmas is an attack on their identity.
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>>537878467
>It literally is the definition of theocracy.
It literally isn't, you stupid heathencuck redditor.
You're a nice demonstration of how retarded secular education is in America.
Figures that heathencuck atheists got rid of logic as a subject.
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>>537878603
>This is a grossly dishonest headline.
You are a lying sack of shit

https://apnews.com/article/texas-education-board-reading-list-bible-vote-eb6ea9e23e303da0ca2da6132889e020

>A state law passed in 2023 required a mandatory list of at least one literary work be taught in each grade level. The new list contains around 200 texts, including Bible passages, essays and books, far in excess of that requirement.

>Antero Garcia, president of the National Council of Teachers of English and a Stanford University professor, said he doesn’t know of any other state with a mandatory reading list that includes religious texts. Educators at the district and school level usually choose the texts their students will read, Garcia said.

>Kasey Meehan, director of PEN America’s Freedom to Read program, agreed the move was “unique” to Texas.
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>>537870104
What's wrong with this? Even if you aren't Christian and from a purely educational perspective the Bible is still undoubtedly one of the most important and impactful books in all of history so everyone should at least know what's in it.
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Getting students to read ANYTHING would be an improvement at this point.
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>>537878590
>treating it as the religious tradition of America?
It is. And it should be.
>if it was treated as a fairy tale
The Bible is a fact.
Atheism is a fairy tale.
>Once society is 100% non-religious ok.
Christianity is growing worldwide.
Gaytheism is declining worldwide.
Because gaytheists are spiteful mutant freaks and genetic dead-ends.
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>>537870104
Good. This shit is going to create so many atheists.
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>>537878625
I don't want my kids being taught this shit. What part of that don't you seem to understand? We hate your kinds and want you to die. I will home school my kids over having them in an environment where Christianity is 24/7 in their face.

Christianity is a form of abuse. you are teaching kids there is a real heaven and hell after death. when in reality we return to the state of existence prior to birth, nothing.
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>>537878667
Good.
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>>537878779
>Good. This shit is going to create so many atheists.
If they read the bible word for word yes it would. The issue is they will snippet parts of it.
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>>537878779
Then why are gaytheists crying and suing?
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>>537870342
LMFAO!!!
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>>537878787
I don't care what you want, heathencuck spiteful mutant freak.
Christians are superior to you:
>>537873989
>>537874037
>>537874101
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Atheist bugmen seething that young kids will be taught a simple moral framework from a book instead of gay racemixing communism
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>>537878779
>reading the Bible creates atheists
>teaching the Bible in schools is theocracy
Pick one.
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>>537878467
>>Reading the Bible isn't "theocracy".
>with the barrel of the gun of the state forcing you? It literally is the definition of theocracy


Cool.
Now do 'Diary of Anne Frank'.
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>>537878855
>Then why are gaytheists crying and suing?
because it violated the 1st amendment and TEXAS CONSTITUTION ITSELF
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>>537878851
No it wouldn't.
That's why evil atheist freaks like you are crying about it.
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>>537870104
Not a bad law, ngl
Plenty of wisdom in that book, regardless of how you feel about god
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>>537870104
I wish
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>>537878957
No it didn't.
And if it did, it'd be the right thing to do.
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>>537878926
The dumber complacent children will become followers. The smarter children will become atheists.
>>537878851
Oh so they're not going over god commanding the genocide of the canaanites? Or that the bible condones slavery?

How shocking.
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>>537870104
Imagine living in a place preaching the truth? As opposed to what?
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>>537879008
>No it didn't.
Read the text of the Texas constitution.

>NO PUBLIC MONEY
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>>537879047
Other way around.
Atheists are stupid and evil.
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>>537879080
I did. You're wrong.
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>>537879047
>Oh so they're not going over god commanding the genocide of the canaanites? Or that the bible condones slavery?

during sunday school, this was never taught. It was mostly the usual boiler plate shit. Mostly Jesus.
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>>537877145
There is an entire category of literary devices, called the allegory, that consist almost entirely of references to ancient religious works. The inability for both general audiences and authors themselves to understand and connect references to things like jobs wife and the burning of sodom or to orpheus and eurydice is how you end up with
>wow this is just like the time in STAR WARS when HAN SOLO did the KESSEL RUN
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>>537870104
Better than a lot of the modern slop I read in highschool. You learn greek mythology, why not christian too?
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>>537870104
Adultery, murder, incest…sounds like a good book.
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>>537878257
First Amendment: The principle is enshrined in the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." This establishes the legal framework for the separation of church and state, ensuring that the government does not favor or interfere with religious practices.
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>>537879054
>Imagine living in a place preaching the truth? As opposed to what?
most Americans are atheist in 2026. kys.
>raised Christian.
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>>537879126
Wrong. It was taught.
>>537879047
Genociding evil people is good.
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>>537879137
>You learn greek mythology,
how many believers of greek mythology exist in 2026?
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>>537879183
>Wrong. It was taught.
So you want to my Lutheran church and know what we were taught? I went to Sunday school and church service every sunday leaf.
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>>537879165
Texas isn't Congress.
"Separation of church and state" isn't in the Constitution.
Nice secular "education", you got there, you stupid atheist predditor.
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>>537879008
shut the fuck up you stupid indian street shitting dothead nigger, worry about your own dumb country.
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>>537879085
>atheism is stupid and evil
Sorry I couldn't be more accommodating with the bibles
*checks notes*
genocides, slavery, misogyny and subjugation and severe punishments for minor offenses.

It takes a truly warped or brainwashed mind to think they are on the right side of history.
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>>537870104
Up until a hundred years ago every home in this country had a Bible, and every family was familiar with its contents.
Its stories outline and define what a "nation" is. Like it or not, the U.S. were built around the Old and New Testaments.
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>>537879131
>There is an entire category of literary devices, called the allegory, that consist almost entirely of references to ancient religious works.
This is fucking COPIUM
Allegory did not exist 8000 BCE. When those writers were writing this shit down, the words they were writing were literal. There was no such thing as "allegory" prior to modern area.
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>>537879170
>most Americans are atheist in 2026
See? Atheists lie like they breathe.
It's in their nature.
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>>537879248
>"Separation of church and state" isn't in the Constitution.
No, it's just what Thomas Jefferson said the 1st amendment was you retarded leaf nigger.
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>>537878957
>because it violated the 1st amendment and TEXAS CONSTITUTION ITSELF

kek. Lmao, even.
Just pointing out that the first few books of the Bible are the "Old Testament".

Giving Christians shit about this may be missing the point.
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>>537879170
You were never Christian.
>>537879229
I said nothing of your fictitious church, heathencuck.
>I went to Sunday school and church service every sunday
No you didn't.
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>>537879316
>Like it or not, the U.S. were built around the Old and New Testaments.
So read the Jefferson bible where he takes out all the miracles. Or his Quran.
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Not reading the sandnigger kike fairy tale, sorry.
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>>537879276
Cry harder, heathencuck.
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let me guess it's the new AND old testament
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>>537879248
You're just fucking wrong and are in tard-rage mode, we had this shit already argued in the courts before. It's why creationism isn't taught in public schools.
Epperson v. Arkansas,
You're a know nothing retard way out of your depth, this is a waste of my time replying to you.
Teaching bible verses? that's favoritism to christians. This absolutely will go to courts and not stand. cry about it shrimp dick. ;)
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>>537879324
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derveni_papyrus
>the text is an allegorical commentary on an Orphic poem, a theogony concerning the birth of the gods, produced in the circle of the philosopher Anaxagoras. The roll dates to around 340 BC, during the reign of Philip II of Macedon, making it Europe's oldest surviving manuscript.[1][2]
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>>537879302
>genocides, slavery, misogyny and subjugation and severe punishments
So?
>minor offenses
You have zero objective basis for saying something is "major" or "minor".
>right side of history
Brainwashed redditor confirmed.
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>>537879393
>No you didn't.
My name was 7th generation of Adam. My brother was named adam. I got confirmation and went to communion on Wednesday. I went to Sunday school and church service every sunday. I went to Lutheran summer camp way up in the north of Pennsylvania near the mounts. I was an alter boy. I am not someone who didn't have religious upbringing. I know the bible and choose to reject it for atheism.
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>>537870104
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>>537877831
>Original hebrew
You retard
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Imagine being indoctrinated at a young age, fed a story about an invisible man in the sky and then choosing to believe it for your entire life.

It's no different to encountering late teens who still think Santa is real.
>>537879520
Bait used to be good.
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>>537879316
>Like it or not, the U.S. were built around the Old and New Testaments
Damn, so were all those people who were part of the founding of this country who all repeatedly stressed that America was not, never was, and never will be a Christian nation actually trying to say the exact opposite?
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>>537870234
the one where the jews didn't kill Jesus
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>>537879405
>Or his Quran.

Get fucked. He read it to figure out why the Barbary States were enslaving Americans when we had done the Islamic World no harm or gave insult.

He read it then went to war.

Think it through.
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>>537870342
Jesus and Lazarus?
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>>537879302
ohh noo they genocided the pedophiles unlike our society which props them up and worships them in all forms of government and media, nooooo you can't genocide the demon worshiping cannibalistic pedophile culture, noooo they deserve to live
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>>537871217
I'll always be non-compliant.
>>537873660
Western, though I spent a decent number of years in Pullman.
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>>537870234
The Thomas Jefferson bible where 90% of the original retarded content has been removed.
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>>537870104
There is no other time and period that impacted the rest of time, including now, then 200BC to 300AD. Everything else, is either an acceptance of belief of Jesus of Nazareth or a rejection or yet another attempt to subvert it. If you do not understand what happened in that unique and fubar period, you could never understand and appreciate any offshoot from that period which brought so much advancement. Leftist have proven you can not make people smarter thru indoctrination but you can make people understand the world around them through teaching honest history of what happened and why humans changed because of that-- for both good and for ill.
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>>537870342
>The one with Trump and Epstein
>>537879677
>Jesus and Lazarus?

If you read Hebrew the Book of Ruth is smokin' hot.
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>>537870342
>Epstein
Thought it said Elon, so I guess Judas.

Which, yes. Literally.
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>>537870104
This is going to create a new generation of fedora atheists.
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>>537879365
>what Thomas Jefferson said
Irrelevant, you stupid heathencuck predditor.
Private letters aren't the Constitution, and others disagreed.
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>>537879405
Nah.
And you'll just have to cry about it.
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>>537879432
The Bible is historical fact.
Atheism is a fairy tale.
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>>537879503
>You're just fucking wrong
Nope, I'm right.
Notice how you couldn't refute what I said.
>Teaching bible verses? that's favoritism to christians.
Wrong.
Also, favoritism to Christians is good.
Both things are true.
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>>537879152
i'd say drump would like it but he doesn't read
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>>537879248
The Constitution doesn't use the exact words "separation of church and state", but the establishment clause does exactly that

>Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion
Church does not influence state
>or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
State does not influence church

As for the part about Texas not being Congress, that is what the 14th amendment is about. "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States" would include our immunity from having to practice any religion (e.g. Christianity).
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>>537879525
I don't care about your made-up fairy tale, heathencuck.
You'll just have to cry about it.
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>>537879525
You affirm atheism because you're a spiteful mutant. Nothing more.

Atheism is a mental disease.
Atheists are just spiteful mutants throwing a tantrum at their Creator because they're failures:

>The mutant says in his heart, “there is no God”: the rejection of collective religiosity centred around the worship of moral Gods is associated with high mutational load
archive.vn/aNzyf

Atheists ought to be barred from public life altogether, for the good of society.

Religious people are healthier, happier, more social, stronger, more charitable, basically better in every way than gaytheist basement-dwelling neckbeard losers who failed at life and are seething about it.
Atheism is a suicidal delusion for weak, spineless, spiteful pussies.
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>>537879559
Imagine being an atheist (i.e., a literal retard).
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>>537880075
God is the Santa Claus "be good, or else" ploy on steroids.
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>>537879986
>>Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion
>Church does not influence state
>>or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
>State does not influence church


Mmmm. Yeah.
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>>537879568
You'll just have to cry about it, heathencuck.
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>>537870104
Why?
You can have an objective class about the Bible without getting religious.
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>>537879790
0% of the original content is retarded.
100% of atheism is retarded.
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>>537879865
Then why are the fedora atheists crying about it?
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Imagine being a predditor fedora nigger in 2026
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>>537879986
>The Constitution doesn't use the exact words "separation of church and state", but the establishment clause does exactly that
Wrong.
>Church does not influence state
Wrong. You injected something that isn't there.
>State does not influence church
Wrong. You injected something that isn't there.
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>>537880188
Oh don't get me wrong, I won't those motherfuckers classified as foreign agents and kicked the fuck out of the country.

>>537880241
Like the fact that the events of Exodus contradict a modern understanding of Egyptian history, or the fact that the events of Numbers and Joshua would be classified as war crimes by today's standards?
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>>537879986
>having to practice any religion (e.g. Christianity).
Reading a book isn't practicing a religion.
Let alone reading a foundational work of Western civilization.
Why are heathencucks so stupid?
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>>537880016
Accurate portrayal of atheists. Thank you.
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>>537880173
God is real and Santa Claus is real.
Why are gaytheists so historically illiterate?
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>>537870104
You have to read the Bible in English class anyway. Even in shithole california
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>>537880449
>the events of Exodus contradict a modern understanding of Egyptian history
No they don't.
>the events of Numbers and Joshua would be classified as war crimes by today's standards?
Whose standards? The people who claim women have penises and kids should be castrated?
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>>537880532
You shouldve pretended a little longer.
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>>537880617
Pretended what? I'm not a lying heathencuck like you are.
Lying is a thing for heathencucks like you.
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>>537879302
Now do atheism.
Abortions, communism, dictatorships, social darwinism, depopulation, sterilization, assisted suicide...
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>>537880428

>You injected something that isn't there.
I didn't inject anything, I interpreted. The Constitution is a legal document. The exact words "separation of church and state" are vague, and could not be present within the Constitution because it is hard to intuit a legal meaning. Instead you use words that imply a specific course of action or non-action. The literal meaning of a separation of church and state is that the church cannot cause the state to do anything in its favor, and likewise, the state does not have any such influence over the church. How do you describe that in terms of precisely-defined action and non-action?

To prohibit the church's influence over the state, you would say that Congress (the law-passing arm of the state) is not permitted to pass laws "respecting an establishment of religion". Here, the operative word is "respecting", which can have the meaning of "to have reference to" or "to hold in high esteem". It is as general as possible to describe all ways in which an establishment of religion (e.g. a church) could sway the government into acting in their favor. The other element of separation of church and state should be obvious in preventing the state from prohibiting the free exercise of religion, thereby making it impossible for the state to hold leverage over the church.
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>>537880589
>No they don't.
There is no evidence that Hebrews were ever enslaved en masse in Egypt. Rather, the Bible indicates that the fiction of this was used as a cultural myth to unify a diaspora people.
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>>537870104
I mean they're required to read other works of fiction like the Iliad so who gives a shit. They can read about how jewish kings are evil bastards, solomon was willfully evil, and how jesus says jews are the children of satan.
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>>537880838
>I didn't inject anything, I interpreted.
Wrong.
You injected. "Influence" appears nowhere in the text you cited.
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>>537880850
>There is no evidence that Hebrews were ever enslaved en masse in Egypt.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
There was an absence of evidence of various historical sites described in the Bible, until archeology caught up.
>the Bible indicates that the fiction of this
It's a fact.
Atheism is fiction.
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it's astonishing how someone can be smart enough to use the internet, but dumb enough to believe in retarded scripture.
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>>537880862
The Bible is a work of fact, not fiction.
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>>537880883
Just how fucking dense are you? I AM NOT REFERRING TO THE LITERAL WORDS OF THE FUCKING DOCUMENT I AM REFERRING TO THEIR INTERPRETATION.

>X is in the document
>X means Y
>Therefore the document means Y
"But Y isn't in the document"

Please develop some fucking reading comprehension skills.
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>>537880989
It's astonishing how someone can be dumb enough to be an atheist.
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They should make the kids read The Silmarillion and tell them it's Christianity and elves and humans were fighting some giant spider 3000 years ago over some shiny rocks
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>>537881035
Repeating your stupid claim in caps doesn't make it true.
The document says or implies nothing about "influence". You just made that up.
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>>537880989
By the way, Christianity created science.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqcnsy7pZ-k

Heathencucks want to destroy science.
That's why they removed logic from schools.
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I had to read the Bible during the 2 years I was in a private Christian school. Reading it every day made me ask a lot of questions in it and wonder about the metaphorical meaning of it, that might've been a big part of how I got to where I am now. I think it'll be good for kids to get to know God, however they may go about it.
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>>537870104
Your beloved spics are more Christian than modern Whites. Spics are the ones who voted for this.
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>>537880989
>but dumb enough to believe in retarded scripture.

Diversity, Equity, Inclusion.
The 'new' Trinity.
Racism is Satan, Tolerance is God.

Modern Progressivism is just the Catholic Catechism with a cheap graphics mod.

What do you really believe?
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>>537879559
>Imagine being indoctrinated at a young age
Everyone but feral children is indoctrinated at a young age. You were taught such doctrines as how to read, how to count, how to play with others, etc. School itself is formal indoctrination. The only disagreement in this regard is what things to include and not include in the indoctrination, not that it should be done.
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>>537881215
>About it
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>>537870234
Obviously the one that worships jews.
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>>537880589
>Whose standards? The people who claim women have penises and kids should be castrated?
Geneva conventions you fucking mongrel. And to be clear, the events of Numbers and Joshua involved the MURDER OF CHILDREN BY THE JEWS. You want to complain about non-existent child castration, but completely glaze over the Jews murdering every young boy among the midianites and forcing all the young girls into sex slavery. And in Joshua, the killing of everyone who breathed among the cities they did battle with. That would include non-combatants such as children.

>>537881101
Says, no. Implies, yes. I am not going to repeat the actual logic and analysis I provided in >>537880838
If you are not going to provide a counter argument other than just "nuh uh", I will consider you as having no argument.
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>>537870104
big oof if true
inb4 it's an elective like 'religious moral and philosophical ed' where obviously you have to read 'holy' books cause it's part of the subject lol
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>>537872577
>First amendment of the Constitution states that Congress shall make no law enforcing or prohibiting the practice of a religion
Imagine that a jew lying BOLDLY about the First Amendment, something anyone can look up in 5 seconds. Now tell me jew does the word 'enforce' actually appear in the First Amendment?
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>>537880838
>Here, the operative word is "respecting"
Also "establishment". "Establishment" of a religion is a rather specific thing, in context. It refers to how the Church of England operates with respect to the government, with formal government control and legal impositions of various religious things. Studying religious texts in school is not establishing a religion.
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>>537872620
Public school started in America to ensure that people could read the Bible dumb nigger, this is the definition of conservation. I notice none of you yids are advocating for the end of public schools all together which is the obvious solution, is that because you would be losing your golem factories?
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>>537870104
Will they let them read the New Testament or only the Old Testament? The people in this thread saying this is based are delusional if you think this will amount to anything. This move by Texas would only be a based move if the state is majority white and I mean actual white not "white". Texas is minority white so it will ultimately amount to nothing meaning this is just a preformative measure to make the state look like a Christian state but that's as far as it will go.

>>537870234
This, my guess is they will only let them read the Scofield Bible especially since that version has those side notes all throughout it which will be marketed as "helping" the students understand the subject matter in the Bible when really it is just subversion.
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>>537881442
>Geneva conventions
I don't give a shit, stupid heathencuck. That's just a piece of paper.
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>>537877432
importance sure
development.....i mean it killed rome lol, it's like anti society
even by the standards of bronze age savages the law is fucked, the morality is beyond fucked
is there anything actually useful in there?
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>>537881442
>MURDER OF CHILDREN BY THE JEWS
Atheists murder children every minute of the day
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>>537870104
LOL IT'S REAL
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>>537881442
>Implies, yes.
Wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuAmi_mQW8s
>logic analysis
Bahahaha.
>I will consider you as having no argument.
Back at you.
Simply repeating your false and silly claim in a lengthier way isn't an argument.
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>>537881471
big win, more like
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Remember that fallen human beings are coddled self loathing retards that hate anything that reminds them they're flawed. So getting mad at religion or government is tolerable just as long as it collapses. you also get to pretend to be morally righteous about how unfair the system you built is, just don't think about why the system existed in the first place and why you needed to build it. That's forbidden. Ontological metacognition is highly ILLEGAL. You can kill anyone, for the right reasons, you can pretend like your relationships actually have grounded objective value and that you legitimately care. but, tell a human being that God had to die in their stead, the shrink back in horror and say. "But i'm God! How dare you, the urge to kill you is strong!" while proceeding to stand on a soapbox about how the God they apparently don't believe exists, and know has nothing to do with religion because they logically infer that by differentiating the two, somehow offended them, while they schizophrenically borrow epistemics and reality to judge this non existent God, while pretending like the morality they're using is subjective while clearly using it in a animus driven rant against this, again, non existent God as per their own worldview.

You don't need religion to be a retard.
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>>537880978
>Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
In a major literate civilization that left records of commerce and accounting it is.

>It's a fact.
A great deal of the Bible is figurative, intended to convey wisdom and moral instruction rather than an account of history. The Old Testament predates history as a genre, after all. A clue that the Bible should not be treated this way is right at the beginning. In Genesis, there are two contradictory creation accounts. They cannot both be factually true, so the intent is obviously to relay something other than a straightforward account of facts.

As for what you might glean from the Bible, consider whether the myth of the slavery in Egypt has any parallels to things relevant today. Would people invent a narrative of victimization?
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>>537873236
Except you're a jew lying about what the 1A says, you can look it up in 5 seconds. US states had perfectly legal state churches into the 1800s, there is no language in the 1A that prohibits this in fact the 1A expressly prohibits Congress from prohibiting it not to mention the 10A. This is the power of public education a bunch of jews lying boldly to dysgenic niggercattle too dumb to look it up and read it themselves.
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>>537881684
>heathencuck illiteracy
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>>537880139
>atheism: the belief
lol failed in less than a sentence
lrn2read
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>>537881815
>it is.
Incorrect.
>In Genesis, there are two contradictory creation accounts.
Incorrect.
https://www.gotquestions.org/two-Creation-accounts.html
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>>537881518
Establishment in this context is a noun and not a verb. The verb is respecting and the object of that verb is establishment of religion. If the law were meant only to prevent the establishment of religion, then the language used would be "establishing a religion" or "that establishes a religion" or even "with respect to the establishment of religion". The specific choice of "respecting an establishment" suggests that the word establishment is being used in the context of an institution, rather than the action of creation.
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>>537881909
Atheism is a belief, yes.
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This canindian incel is having a field day larping as an obnoxious christian.
It's just sad that he doesn't show as much skepticism towards his own culture's religiosity.
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>>537881640
Logically the Canadian doesn't care about a set of agreements created because of how his own nation acted during war.
>>537881721
>Bahahaha.
You didn't even read it, did you?
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>>537881778
but it helps
philosphy spits them out at quite a rate too but come on now, we all know the spiritualists can't be beat for raw retard production
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>>537870333
That’s how you get them into bbc
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>>537881909
>my belief built on epistemics borrowed ad-hoc from reality isn't a belief!

Why are you people so insistent on pretending Agnosticism even, has no flaws when it infers via a lack of knowledge positionally that it's possible to know that you don't know. Atheists make a positive claim against God existence, even when proving a negative (which in the general sense, is not impossible. You're stretching the generalization over to God, because you presuppose it's somehow impossible before even evaluating a claim.)

You people literally have to work to deny God in a conversation, i simply believe. That's the offense. Atheist deflections often use moral language and posturing that implies religion, which they already know has nothing to do with God by the fact that they deny he exists, is entirely what God wanted. Even when the Christian belief literally depicts systemic religion and secularism colluding to murder an innocent man, EVEN IF you deny he exists. The mere concept itself fucking spooks the shit out of you.
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>>537882040
Nice non-argument, heathencuck freak.
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>>537882030
a belief in....presumably all of that cosmic woo you were posting earlier?
lol
that's not what the word means literally or colloquially
it's specifically a lack of belief in gods
a-theism
literally "without gods"
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>>537870104
It’s a pretty good book. Better than Toni Morrison and all the other feminist stories about rape and adultery they been force students to read since my day
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>>537882101
I didn't read your diatribe. Notice how you got your reasoning backwards, working from your premise of "separation of church and state" to what the text actually says, instead of the other way around.
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>>537870342
Ah Clinton and epstien or hawkens or every leftist with epstien.
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>>537882145
i don't know what your talking on honestly
philosophy to me is a pile of wank built on broken questions and category errors dripping with the brown of narrative

no god proven, no god believed in
we don't even see anything like ghosts gods ect floating around so it's not much to say there probably aren't any around here
thought experiments prove nothing, show me on the meter where your spiritshit exists
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>>537882251
>it's specifically a lack of belief in gods
Wrong, you stupid redditor.

>That would imply rocks and trees are atheist.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/atheism-agnosticism/

>In philosophy, however, and more specifically in the philosophy of religion, the term “atheism” is standardly used to refer to the proposition that God does not exist (or, more broadly, to the proposition that there are no gods). Thus, to be an atheist on this definition, it does not suffice to suspend judgment on whether there is a God, even though that implies a lack of theistic belief. Instead, one must deny that God exists. This metaphysical sense of the word is preferred over other senses, including the psychological sense, not just by theistic philosophers, but by many (though not all) atheists in philosophy as well. For example, Robin Le Poidevin writes, “An atheist is one who denies the existence of a personal, transcendent creator of the universe, rather than one who simply lives his life without reference to such a being” (1996: xvii). J. L. Schellenberg says that “in philosophy, the atheist is not just someone who doesn’t accept theism, but more strongly someone who opposes it.” In other words, it is “the denial of theism, the claim that there is no God” (2019: 5).

>This definition is also found in multiple encyclopedias and dictionaries of philosophy. For example, in the Concise Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy, William L. Rowe (also an atheist) writes, “Atheism is the position that affirms the nonexistence of God. It proposes positive disbelief rather than mere suspension of belief” (2000: 62). The Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy recognizes multiple senses of the word “atheism”, but is clear about which is standard in philosophy:

>[Atheism is] the view that there are no gods.
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>>537870342
Wrap it up gang, we're done here.
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>>537870104
Smells like that was typed out by a stupid shitskin 3rd worlder.
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>>537880989
>smart enough to use the internet
are we pretending the christcucks aren't just browngroids phoneposters?
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>>537882013
>Establishment in this context is a noun and not a verb.
Right, and the noun is as I described there. It is a state of affairs which the framers of the Constitution wanted to avoid.

>>537881985
>Incorrect.
You're welcome to support your argument.

>Incorrect.
In the first creation story (Genesis 1), the order is
>heaven and earth
>light
>day and night
>land and sea
>vegetation
>sun, moon, stars
>birds and fish
>land animals
>humans
In the second story (Genesis 2), the order is
>streams on land
>a human
>vegetation (the creation of the human is explicitly before any vegetation had been made)
>land animals and birds (the man was explicitly alone before this, and this was to change that)
>a woman

>https://www.gotquestions.org/two-Creation-accounts.html
Lol. LMAO even. Read your bible, anon.
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>>537882455
God is proven.
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>>537882251
>it's specifically a lack of belief in gods
Yes. It is an affirmative belief. A LACK of belief in gods is agnosticism.
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>>537882455
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/book/10.1002/9781444308334

>The Leibnizian Cosmological Argument

>The Kalam Cosmological Argument

>The Teleological Argument: An Exploration of the Fine-Tuning of the Universe

>The Argument from Consciousness

>The Argument from Reason

>The Moral Argument

>The Argument from Evil

>The Argument from Religious Experience

>The Ontological Argument

>The Argument from Miracles: A Cumulative Case for the Resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth
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>>537882455
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>>537882540
linguistically correct
there ain't any tree deity i've heard of :P
oh look some philosowankers justifying their field lol
they falsely assume that belief systems are a baseline, they clearly never met an irritating cunt like me that demands it be proven to work else it goes in the bin with the rest of 'the arts'
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>>537882741
You're a stupid heathencuck redditor who doesn't know what the word means, but simply parroted whatever your equally-stupid fellow predditors spewed.
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>>537882734
If any of those constituted an actual proof, only one would ever be needed. Belief is a matter of faith, not proof. At least when Jesus isn't running around letting people poke his nail holes.
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>>537882455
> no god proven, no god believed in
That’s not neutrality, that’s your epistemology doing drag.

>“Show me on the meter” already assumes only meter-readable things count as real. Ground that rule.
You don’t get to smuggle in logic, causality, identity, proof, consciousness, moral language, and empiricism, then pretend God is the only unproven premise on the table.

Also “philosophy is wank” is philosophy. You just did it badly.
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>>537870104
>Despite all these goyim shit they still have to suffer from immigrants just as Californians do.
Fucking grim
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>>537882680
but then you have to engage with- eugh
yeah i suppose it'd be more accurate to say agnostic with some version of materialist or something tacked on
might be something spiritual somewhere, but it ain't been measured on earth
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>>537880368
Because they're dumbasses.
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>>537882989
>yeah i suppose it'd be more accurate to say agnostic with some version of materialist or something tacked on
Accuracy is important. Both theism and atheism are gnostic positions.
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>>537870104
>Red states
Read the Bible
>Blue states
We’re cutting your kid’s genitalia off
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>>537882661
Which God?
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>>537870104
Religion has no place in a civilized society. It's chimpanzee shit that kills all that is good in man.
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>>537882698
>>537882734
thought experiments and stories
exactly what i already said counts for shit to me
give me a method i can try myself
i'll tell you if my results match your hypothesis
>>537882885
epistemology can stay after the thing it did, but the rest can't sit with us
philosophy is all about 'why'
'why' is pointless more than half the time
gimmie a 'how' or stop asking for your book to be out of the fiction section
>>537883082
accurate philosophically though, fuck philosophy
this is the field that applies words like 'meaning' 'meaninglessness' 'purpose' to 'life' 'existence' 'universe'
it's hippies getting high and going 'whoah'
but i will grudgingly admit, that thing with the principles and smallest possible list of assumptions......that was pretty good
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>>537883139
Different ones. The first, for example, is the "uncaused cause" since Aquinas recognizes that causality can't account for its own existence. Something unusual is obviously involved, but there's nothing that requires this cause to be a personal deity, let alone one of the Christian sort.
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>>537883157
>civilized society

You do realize that society borrows moral law from God's ontology and then pretends like deny his existence and continuing to use it isn't just a dialectic trick where you blame humans that externalize their guilt where as you deny it by internalizing it and pretending he doesn't exist. Neither of these is what God's hinting at and thats precisely the point. If you had actually read Genesis 3, you'd notice that because you know Good and Evil, Religion is an ad-hoc creation of man trying to justify himself after the point of no return in regards to sin. Meaning it's actually evil because it stems from corrupt man. Meaning this is precisely why the Pharisee crucified Jesus knowing he was innocent. Society is pretending like it is self-sustaining, if that's the case why are there laws?
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>>537883288
> epistemology can stay
Congrats, you admitted philosophy is necessary after trying to throw philosophy out.
> gimmie a how

“How” already assumes causality, logic, induction, identity, and a standard of evidence.
Those are not meter readings. Those are philosophical commitments.

So again: ground your standard or stop pretending “no god proven” is neutral. It’s just your metaphysics with a fake lab badge.
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Hey so where’s the rest of those files?
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>>537883082
hard positivism, eliminative empiricist
my worldview is mostly summed up with
if it can't be tested it doesn't exist
if i can't test it myself i don't put much trust in the result
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>>537883696
> if it can't be tested it doesn't exist

Can you test that claim?

No?

Then by your own rule, it doesn’t exist.

Also “if I can’t test it myself I don’t trust it” isn’t science, it’s basement positivism. You don’t personally test 99.9% of what you believe about physics, history, medicine, astronomy, or your own brain.

You’re not an empiricist. You’re doing solipsism with a multimeter.
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>>537883538
that's a philosowank thing though
the thing doesn't need imaginary grounding, it needs to physically work, does the model accurately predict outcomes, if yes keep if no into the bin of arts and social
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>>537883831
yes the claim, the idea
doesn't fucking exist you melon
can't eat it, burn it, or otherwise use it
it's an abstraction, fake by default
fix your formatting

it shouldn't look

like this this

retarded
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>>537883833
> it needs to physically work
Cool. Then you’re not talking about truth, you’re talking about utility.
A model can “work” inside a narrow range and still be false or incomplete. That’s why Newton still works for bridges while not being ultimate physics.
> does the model accurately predict outcomes
Prediction assumes logic, math, induction, causality, identity, and that the future will resemble the past.
None of that came off your meter. You smuggled the whole philosophy department into the lab, then called it wank.

So stop making ontological claims like “God doesn’t exist.” Your position only gets you: “I don’t have a lab model for God.”

Big difference.
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>>537883994
not to me there isn't, no measurements? no predictive model to plug them into? no thing
utility is the measure of truth for systems
read back and you'll find that all i've said in regard to gods is that there aren't any that have been found
ontology is one of the extra retarded ones
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>>537880316
God has to be retarded to create his shit lmao. What wrong with dat nigga?
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>>537884255
> utility is the measure of truth for systems
No, utility is the measure of utility.
> False models can be useful inside a narrow range. Useful lies exist. Bad maps can still get you to one street.
> there aren't any that have been found
Fine. Then your claim is “I haven’t measured God,” not “if it can’t be tested it doesn’t exist.”
You keep sliding from method to ontology while pretending ontology is beneath you.
> “Only measurable things count as real” is ontology.
> “There are no gods” is ontology.
> “Abstractions are fake by default” is ontology.
You don’t hate ontology. You just hate being caught doing it.
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>>537884556
i hate how philosowankers insist you engage with their disconnected old wordswordswords in order to dismiss philosowank
"there are no gods here" is statement of observation
i've tried all sorts of wacky nonsense from all kinds of prayer to all manner of crystal and candles shit
results null, i've found no method that produces supernatural/magic/whatever you want to call it because i'm starting to get the impression you are going to get stuck on terms there, effects
no temp changes, no movements, exactly fuck all
that's my basis for everything
i don't have an internal belief system or other meaning structure from which all logically flows
i have a bunch of tiny shitty models adapted to small tasks that are used if they work and discarded if something better comes along
truth is whatever is there, fuck knows what it is but i've got some incremental ways to find out
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>>537884873
> there are no gods here is statement of observation
No, “I tried prayer/crystals/candles and got no measurable effect” is the observation.
“There are no gods here” is the inference.
You keep smuggling the conclusion into the observation and pretending it’s raw data.
> results null
For crystals and candle magic, sure. Christianity is not “say spell, watch thermometer move.”
God is not a lab object inside the universe waiting for you to poke it with consumer-grade ritual gear.
> i don't have an internal belief system
Yes you do.
“Truth is whatever is there” is ontology.
“Incremental ways to find out” is epistemology.
“Models are kept if useful” is pragmatism.
You have a worldview. It’s just duct-taped together and called “not philosophy” so you don’t have to defend it.
> truth is whatever is there
Good. Then stop confusing “what I can currently measure” with “whatever is there.”
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>>537870104
which bible
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>>537885145
i think i just got the disconnect
you types are used to certain subjects being of the purview of philosophy
so my outputs in those areas are being treated as philosophical claims
claims on knowledge and such don't belong to philosophy lol there are other paths
amusingly enough from my perspective, a category error
>stop confusing “what I can currently measure” with “whatever is there.”
functionally identical, don't bother mining U if you haven't got reactors, sort of thing
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>>537885333
>claims on knowledge and such don't belong to philosophy
Do you realize that science is a philosophy?
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>>537885551
philosophy is just language with it's head up it's arse
we gonna argue definitions now?
and what happened to the crazy, is it just me and the gpt now lol
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>>537885598
>philosophy is just language with it's head up it's arse
Ok then science isn't real
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>>537885219
>which bible
That of Satan of course, the Torah and the Talmud.
>Talmud Television Tetragrammaton ywhw just fuck my shit up senpai

Reminder that Judaism and Christianity are complete polar opposites. Jews corrupted the gullible minds of burgers and somehow got raped by Scofield and Hagee and other pay-for-pray retarded fucking shit shows. Pax-Judaica is a real threat to humanity. Far more alarming than muh climate.
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>>537885639
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>>537870234
The Douay–Rheims Bible is the best. Someone who can read Greek will disagree, and they are probably correct.. But for us normal English speakers, that's the go-to.
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>>537885639
most of it probably isn't
but my microwave warms the hot picket, take a moment to consider all of the models involved in that action
factory machinery, road building, alloys, thermodynamics, atomics, all that infrastructure and mechanism
at least that much science is real
but yeah your wordgames and why questions are very useful and important too right
there must be so many practical applications for what amounts to poetry with a question mark
so many useful things of which i invite you to name two
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Ben Shapiro wants you to read it, a guy who gave millions of dollars to HIAS to bring in more indians, nigger somalians, ethiopians, nigerians, etc.

When that kind of person is demanding you read the bible, you know exactly why. Imagine him standing there, give you that same smirk he did when Charlie Kirk died, that punic mask smile. lel



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