you people have zero credibility here. pic rel is the most basic economic math in our entire economy. and you won't even acknowledge it. becuz none of you are for closed borders. you're just for capitalism. and you know full well it will result in open borders. necessarily. with no option. but you're fine with it, becuz you're just open borders capitalists who pretend to be racist in order to keep dumb ol whitey falling for fascism, right? that's the way you think of us, right? "dumb ol whitey, he'll just keep falling for fascism, no matter what, as long as we pander just a bit to his racism!"well i've woken up. i hope others do, too.communism will win.
>>537873290Well yeah, no one wants to immigrate to a communist nation
>>537873290Capitalism vs socialism is a distraction, and you NPCs keep falling for. In reality, the world operates under Judaism. The Jewish debt based monetary system other financial instruments are the dominant force in the economy.
>>537873290End central banking and make ursury illegal
i do not practice the philosophy known as "money"ism and do not accuse me of this you tankie runt
>>537873406they don't accept immigrants. the only places which accept immigrants are the places you run on the right.>>537873477why don't you want people blaming capitalism? why don't you want people blaming "the wealthy"? why do you want people blaming every problem on your jewish scapegoat, instead, which would ensure they're never able to properly address or fix problems? why, huh? tell me fucking why, you fucking propagandist?
>>537873290England had capitalism for hundreds of years and was deporting people for not being white enough
>>537873290Agreed, it is just a bizarre coincidence immigration is all supported and executed by communists
America was the most capitalist in the 1920s and heavily restricted immigration during that time.
Until you get a party that is bo anti-migration AND pro-labor you will not have actual net zero migration, or even remigration. Pro-worker policies must come before migration policies, otherwise they will keep being used as a tool to fill labor gaps and devalue high earning industries.
>>537873575Do the workers own the means of production in China?
>>537873290immigration is fine if they are european, white, christian and can speak english.
>>537873512you're trying to privatize the fed, and at the same time trying to pretend you're anti-banker. how fucking dumb and uninformed do you really think people are? you motherfuckers on this board, you treat everyone like they're fucking dumb. but they're not nearly as dumb as you tend to believe they are, thats for certain.
>>537873290non-rich wagie capitalist cucks hate you and hate acknowledging this. every capitalist country on earth demands unlimited shit skinned turd world laborers, because it's the only way to control costs.
>>537873522and what's the angle behind this 1? you're trying to convince working and poor people not to think about money? not to think about their financial woes? not to think about the bills you make them pay (to you, conveniently, as you type of "i don't practice this 'money'ism)? that's the angle, right? to try to manipulate people into not worrying about the financial stresses you've placed them under?this is how manipulate the people on this board are. you've epitomized it.
>>537873622during the progressive era? WTF are you talking about? the entire period in american history is literally known as "the progressive era". and it was literally the institution of income taxes, and the establishment of the federal reserve (2 things which you hate), which allowed america to meaningfully reduce its mass immigration (which was still freakishly high), during that decade. you propagandizing psychopath.
>>537873787i don't have any problem acknowledging i hate you, as a wealthy person. you will face prosecution for your crimes, 1 of which is the lies youve told whitey under the banner of "fascism", within your lifetime. and i will cheer. i will celebrate the justice.>>537873662not inside of the free trade zones you made them set up under the threat of your right-wing imperialism, and in order to be allowed to trade with you. outside of those tiny, limited free trade zones, though, the chinese laws are communist, and represent out views as communists. its a 1 party communist nation. and your whole "china is not real communism" grift is not selling with anyone.it exists in order to keep you from having to admit you, and everything you've ever believed, was beaten by your foes: the leftists.
>>537873575> why don't you want people blaming capitalismBecause you are blaming the wrong thing. I am not saying capitalism is good. But you can never win if you are fighting the wrong enemy. The endless need for growth comes from the debt based monetary system, the only way to prevent total collapse is to outrun the ever increasing debt, mass immigration is used to stave off the inevitable collapse for a few more years.
youre fucking bastards, here on /pol/. you're going to burn for everything you've done to this world. and i hope whitey wakes up and understands, sooner rather than later, that you're the ones who is mindfucking him, and exploiting him, and ultimately even destroying him, the most.
>>537874098>not inside of the free trade zones you made them set up under the threat of your right-wing imperialism, and in order to be allowed to trade with you. outside of those tiny, limited free trade zones... the entire chinese economic boom results around real estate their massive middle class has been buying up all over the nation. Youre just making shit up lol.
>>537873477And a slow strangulation through inflation, taxes and legislations, free speech etc is just communism under the table. Just a slow fabian decline as opposed to genocide and boot on face. Capitalism in a sense kikes and corpshave a monopoly over everything. The illusion of money to be made.Everything is jewish.>>537873662Ranked 2nd in billionaires in the world is China. 1st are in USA. China is not economically communist. Not anymore anyway.
>>537874144the endless need for growth comes from capitalism. and your endless need for immigrants comes from capitalism. only. exclusively. this is the material fact. when you deny it, you're just proving yourself to be an open borders bastard.you go, "oh yeah, not saying capitalism is good, though! im just telling you not to blame it! or focus your energy on it! or your attention! or to fix anything! instead, just focus on my jews and keep on fighting with my obvious ethnic scapegoat, so that you can never figure out the way i'm fucking you," and who the fuck do you feel is falling for it?no one. fucking no one. trust me, man. i'm whitey, and i want you to fucking fry.
>>537874251> inflationCaused by the Jewish debt based monetary system> taxesA significant portion of said tax goes to pay the interest of the loan.
>>537873290You're a retarded directionbrain.
>>537874425good goy. Keep blaming capitalism whilst the Jews keep you in debt slavery.
>>537874243im not making anything up. you are. factually. just as a matter of objective facts. china is a 1 party communist nation. and its laws, governance and philosophy reflects the values of communism. this is why we, as communists, vehemently support it. you can whine "nuh uh" all you want. no one fucking cares about what you write. everyone knows you are soulless propagandists, who exist to protect billionaires. nothing more.and property ownership is guaranteed as a birthright in china, just for the record. you fucking whore propagandist.
>>537874516"why don't you want people blaming capitalism? why don't you want people blaming "the wealthy"?""why do you want people blaming every problem on your jewish scapegoat, instead, which would ensure they're never able to properly address or fix problems? why, huh? tell me fucking why, you fucking propagandist?"PS, and once more, you are the bankers on the right. you are the "debt slavery", and the "debt system", and all of this other bullshit you're randomly, and totally unjustly, trying to position yourselves as against. you're the worst. you're just objective ontological evil. and you bullshit profoundly.
>>537874595You are never going to be able to fix things enough to get rid of the need for infinite growth without tackling the route cause. The monetary system by its fundamental design is based on debt. All money was borrowed into existence, and because of this endless growth is unavoidable as the every growing interest must be paid. Aside of going fully realized communism and getting rid of money, there is no fix you can make to get rid of the endless growth, not without directly fixing the monetary system.
>>537875002why don't you want people attacking the root cause, which is capitalism? and why are you pretending to be 'the anti-banker people' when you're the capitalists? you are the capitalists. you are the bankers.
>>537875487>>537875002>why don't you want people attacking the root cause, which is capitalism? and why are you pretending to be 'the anti-banker people' when you're the capitalists? you are the capitalists. you are the bankers.PS, communism doesn't have anything to do with "getting rid of money". grow up. cut your fucking bullshit western deliberate misrepresentations of everything out. motherfuckers.
notice how every comment is just a full-throated defense of capitalism? and, by extension, open borders? the fascist is replacing you, white man. no one else. its just these people here who pretend to be your friend. they're only pandering to you. /pol/ is your #1 enemy. they oppose you. they will end you.
when you know what they've really done to you, white man, you will want these people on this board lined up against the wall, and not any one of us on "the left". you'll learn the facts. we were never the ones against you, the entire time.
where are you all? where are you all, with your comments? you don't want to defend yourselves? of course not, because you can't. you know you're fucking grifters. and the moment your grift gets exposed, you can't gaslight the public anymore, the only thing you have left is to run away. fuckers.
>Capitalism is when government imports gorillion niggers and throws welfare at themCapitalists don't control the borders, government does.>But capitalists secretly control everything!First, its the anti-capitalist left wingers that are the most pro-immigration.Second, if the capitalists controlled the goverment, there would be no welfare + taxes would be very low.Borders would be closed as well because migrants are bad for the economy.They take away from the budget more than they contribute, they commit crime which requires higher spending as well as lowers social trust.Business requires high-trust society in order to function, if there is a nigger race riot and your shop gets burned down, it's not really good for the capitalist.Immigration is in 100% caused by ideology of leftist retards who worship niggers and so they open up the borders even if it harms the country and the economy.
Back to your loo, poo
>>537876472>word salad
>>537876472not for nothing, dude, but no one on this board is ever on my side. therefore, if one of your own even isn't impressed >>537876659 then i can assure you no one else fell for whatever you're slinging.the point, of course, was that capitalism requires mass immigration. fundamentally. as a requirement. in order to remain afloat. and therefore, as capitalists on the right, no matter how much you pander to racism or pretend to advocate for the white man, you're a bunch of openborders grifters. you're unironically zionists, too, due to your support of the political right.and that's it.you're open borders grifters. completely utter grifters.
Immigration is caused by a decline in birth rates.>>537875487>>537875534>immigration is caused by capitalismWhy are white leftists so suicidally pro-immigration then?
>>537876895>>537876472>not for nothing, dude, but no one on this board is ever on my side. therefore, if one of your own even isn't impressed >>537876659 then i can assure you no one else fell for whatever you're slinging.>the point, of course, was that capitalism requires mass immigration. fundamentally. as a requirement. in order to remain afloat.>and therefore, as capitalists on the right, no matter how much you pander to racism or pretend to advocate for the white man, you're a bunch of openborders grifters.>you're unironically zionists, too, due to your support of the political right.>and that's it.>you're open borders grifters. completely utter grifters.PS obviously the United States is capitalist. I mean, I shouldn't even need to respond to that point there. The United States is publicly run by capitalists. And our means of production is privately owned. which is what "capitalism" means. Privately owned means of production.
>>537876966why are _you_ suicidally pro-immigration? you're the only people i view as being "suicidally pro-immigration" on the right. everything else is your bullshit propaganda. on every level, you people fervently promote the financial policies which force this country to rely on mass immigration, and you make these problems even worse by your deregulation, and privatization schemes. therefore, why are you suicidally pro-immigration? or are you just going to ignore everything i wrote in these posts, like usual with you people, and then just listlessly repeat your MSM and internet-feed misrepresentations?
OP is fundamentally correct, but retards will still just craft a bunch of wordsalad posts to defend their fragile cultural identities and justify their own abuse and subjugation.Did the lolbertarians and ancaptards chip in yet? They love to do the "um ackshually real capitalism has never been tried" thing, just like their commie sisters they get constant hate boners for.
>>537877089>why are _you_ suicidally pro-immigration?Point out where I said any thing like this.>everything else is your bullshit propagandaNo you schitzo leftcel. Every western leftist party of any consequence is pro-immigration. Leftcels like you can't accept this because it means that you own "allies" are stabbing you in the back.>you people fervently promote the financial policies which force this country to rely on mass immigrationSuch as?I ignore the rest of your posts because they don't mention the birth rate problem at all, because like the typical leftoid piece of shit you are, you can't acknowledge that feminism has naturally lead to where we are. I recognize your post style from the last thread we argued and you bitched out on.
>>537876895>capitalism requires mass immigration. fundamentally. as a requirement. in order to remain afloat. No it doesn't you made it up. In fact if anything, third world migration will kill it.If you reduce white population and flood the country with migrants you don't get a capitalist utopia, you get Zohran Mamdani gay muslim socialism.>PS obviously the United States is capitalist.Yes and? Capitalism is an economic system but the country is controlled by the government, not by some boogey man capitalist pulling the strings from behind to import as many niggers as possible and rise the taxes to pay for their welfare
>>537877348>Point out where I said any thing like this.well you don't just come out and say it, do you? that's the whole point of what i made this OP about, isn't it? thanks for showing up, and reading, before you posted. 10/10.yeah, you pretend to be anti-immigration, but its very clear you're not, in that you have this giant glaring hypocrisy in you: you're all fucking capitalists. and no matter how much you deny it, or write "but socialism is in the name", everyone knows you're fucking capitalists, and your lives revolve around defending capitalism.and that makes you open borders psychopaths, no matter how much you try to paint yourselves as otherwise, in order to catch votes from white men.>i ignore your postsof course you, becuz you can't fucking respond to them. you know you're a full-of-shit grifter, who's been caught. only thing for you to do is run and hide, or pretend you didn't hear the bad words that prove your guilt.
>>537873290Quick question to communist fags. Where under the definition of capitalism does it state it works under a central banking government?
>>537877169>the "um ackshually real capitalism has never been tried" thingboth positions are retarded. in the real world states and their economies have a mix of private and public sector activity. muh communism vs muh capitalism is an outdated 19th century debate.
i don't care about immigration.i care about my grocery bills, my land tax, and the quality of my roads and schools.who gives a fuck if someone from another country wants to work down the street at the laundromat?
>>537877423"capitalism" means the private ownership of the means of production. period. the end. you can drop your "we're not living in a capitalist country" grift, that you're trying to promote in order to mislead white people, under the false pretenses that you are racist, into voting for your open borders agenda.next up is your denial of capitalism requiring immigrants. which, again, just means even further that you're an open borders psychopath who is trying to replace the white people in this nation for-profit. why are you trying to replace the white people of this nation for-profit? why don't you want them blaming capitalism, the real cause of their problems? why are you trying to prevent them from understanding the facts of their oppression, which in turn ensures they will never be able to fix these problems (most noticeably, the mass immigration problem)?fucking open-borders psychopath. youre not fooling anyone. get killed.
>>537877724you wouldn't promote capitalism, or the fascist propaganda which protects it, if you were concerned with even 1 of those things. just more bullshit.
>>537877751>"capitalism" means the private ownership of the means of production. period. the endGreat. You just proved you've never lived under capitalism.
>>537877540Bullshit cuck faggot. We had this discussion the last time. Feminism (which you niggers prioritize over everything else, even communal ownership of production) will naturally lead to a decline in birth rates. This will naturally put pressure on socialized systems of redistribution as the population ages as there are fewer and fewer young people to pay for all of the old geriatrics that didn't have kids because they were selfish and prioritized the present over the future. Immigrants are brought in to offset this deficit. Debt based systems require every increasing levels of population to function. The good news is that birth rates are declining everywhere, so there will so be a reckoning.This is the real reason why immigration will never be stopped, because to stop it requires removing political and economic agency from women, which neither you nor the "right" will ever do since its political suicide.
>>537877630i'm just gonna repeat what i wrote to the other anon above >>537877751: ""capitalism" means the private ownership of the means of production. period. the end. you can drop your "we're not living in a capitalist country" grift, that you're trying to promote in order to mislead white people, under the false pretenses that you are racist, into voting for your open borders agenda."just cut the shit, man. why are you trying so hard to gaslight the public about your open borders capitalist philosophy? why are you an open borders capitalist? why are you trying to replace white people for-profit, while pretending to be a racist in order to keep them voting for their own extinction?die. fucking die.
>>537876472It's the businesses that want illegal immigration. Without jobs these people can't eat or have a roof over their heads. Why would they come to another country if they can't work?>During the day, immigrant teenagers attend high school. At night, they work in factories to pay debts to smugglers and send money to family. The authorities aren’t surprised by child labor. They’re also not doing much about it.https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-the-lives-of-immigrant-teens-working-dangerous-night-shifts-in-suburban-factories> Florida's labour shortage: Migrant workers are considering leaving the US https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBB6S2c0RYEThere are thousands of these news stories. Everyday stories are posted here about jeets coming in as cheap labor to several countries. You are a lying idiot if you tell me you haven't seen those posts.
>>537877888Yeah. You debunked yourself.
>>537877839why would you even write this comment? why would you even pretend the means of production in the west are not privately owned? who are you trying to fool? who are you trying to fuck?you're trying to misinform whitey, so he doesn't understand the nature of his problems and fix them. as written above, "you're open borders capitalists psychopathically trying to replace white people for-profit, while pretending you're racists in order to keep them voting for their own extinction."
>>537873755The fed is private.
>>537877972How can you own the means of private ownership if your government is forcing 35% of it taken away?
>>537873290>Capitalism is when the government forces you to pay at gunpoint for foreigners to have food, despite it being an economic downgrade to have them in the country at all.
>>537877917what? what are you just like, mentally defeated, therefore the only thing you can do now is impotently pretend you "won" when the entire world knows you didn't? have fun. have fun.>>537877844why don't you want people fixing immigration, or any of their other problems? people need to understand the cause of their problems, in order to fix them.why don't you want people blaming capitalism for their problems? when capitalism is the cause. if you prevent them from blaming capitalism, then you prevent them from fixing these problems.you're the purveyors of "feminism" on the right, along with every other culture war. picture related. watch how you'll ignore it, and pretend not to notice it, and then just listlessly repeat yourselves. i've been through this a million times with you monsters. i've learned your playbooks to mindcontrol your white publics.
>>537877751>"capitalism" means the private ownership of the means of production. period. the end.so no one should privately have the means to produce their own shit. people should not be allowed to be a small farmer or make furniture and sell it or something. they should happily submit to an authoritarian government that's going to tell them what to do because you think china is great and you have a conspiracy theory that everyone on pol is paid to be part of an elaborate coordinated larp that indirectly supports your position. cool.
>>537874595Class is a spook. The class war is the distraction the elite sells you. Class is not and cannot be an effective organizing principal. Class does not and cannot achieve praxis. Race is real. Race achieves praxis.
>>537878146>can't answer the question and just goes u to random insults Your logic makes no sense. You don't own private ownership when it's being taxed away from by a central banking system. You obviously have no idea what capitalism is.
>>537878023"private ownership" doesn't mean "no taxation". that's not what words mean. have fun whining about whatever your new bullshit gaslight is. no one cares. everyone understands the meanings of basic words. and you're only making yourselves look worse for pretending you don't. just proving to the world how bullshitters you are.>>537878006no. its not. factually. and pic rel will put the end to that discussion. but your politics, as rightists, are to attack it in order to privatize it. you are the privateers. you are the capitalists. you are the ones who want it privatized so that its under the exclusive control of billionaires, for-profit. you fucking criminals.
>>537878259>"private ownership" doesn't mean "no taxation". Yrs, it in fact dies. "Private ownership" doesn't mean the government is involved.
>>537877751>you can drop your "we're not living in a capitalist country" griftWhere did i said so? I agreed that we live in a capitalist system, i only said that it's the goverment that controls the borders which is true>why don't you want them blaming capitalism, the real cause of their problems?Because it isn't, capitalism being some almighty evil boogey man that you can blame all your problems on is comfortable for people that think blaming actual causes would be immoral/racist/evil etc.>>537877893>Why would they come to another country if they can't work?To commit crime and collect welfare?>Here is a story about some niglets working Great, i can now post a link to a video of BLM riot burning down a walmart or a spic robbing a store or an indian worker crashing a ship into a bridge due to incompetency etc.You tell me how is that good for business?
>>537878161nope. no one wrote anything about "small farmers". you know full well communism is not opposed to "small farmers" or whatever else. your own brutal and blatant attempts to misrepresent people. every person here has seen it a millions times. weak. pathetic.>>537878221i'm just going to repeat what i wrote below >>537878259: ""private ownership" doesn't mean "no taxation". that's not what words mean. have fun whining about whatever your new bullshit gaslight is. no one cares. everyone understands the meanings of basic words. and you're only making yourselves look worse for pretending you don't. just proving to the world how bullshitters you are.">>537878202hilarious when your "populist masks" fall off. funny.
>>537877651>states and their economies have a mix of private and public sector activity. All public sector activity in this country is just another form of indirect tribute to those that own everything already in the form of GDP growth, steady inflation and subsidization of wages. You're intentionally framing it vaguely and dishonestly. Almost every problem in your life could be directly attributed to someone's need for profit and growth. I agree that discussing ideological purity in regard to economic/political systems is stupid academic jerk off shit, and capitalism is the most succinct word to describe the resource extraction machine that's enslaved most of the planet.
>>537878364>""private ownership" doesn't mean "no taxation"How is it private ownership when you're forced to give 35% of it away?Your brain is way too small for this conversation.
>>537878303how many times do you want me to just repeat the same thing, in an issue where everyone understands what the basic meanings of words are >>537878259: ""private ownership" doesn't mean "no taxation". that's not what words mean. have fun whining about whatever your new bullshit gaslight is. no one cares. everyone understands the meanings of basic words. and you're only making yourselves look worse for pretending you don't. just proving to the world how bullshitters you are."right? we're just wasting everyone's time here, right? quit it. you're wasting your own fucking time.
>>537877893Its not only "businesses" that want illegal immigration. Any socialized system will eventually require immigration to offset birth rate deficits. You can't have a system that pays old people a pension and have a declining population. Either the currency will be debased over time into nothing, or you will have to cut benefits. There is no mathematical way to make 2 young people pay for 1 old person and maintain that old person's standard of living.This is the real reason immigration is happening, and its a death spiral that is unrecoverable without killing a lot of old people and restricting women's sexual behavior.>>537878146>when capitalism is the cause.Because it isn't the cause you fucking mongoloid. 1800s UK and US were very capitalistic and had little immigration relative to their populations. The problem with this shit started after the widespread introduction of women into the workforce following industrialization.>pic relatedPic related is bullshit. USSR was one of the first nations to grant women the right to vote and work. Stalin rolled that shit back after he came to power because it was such a disaster. Fourier (utopian socialist) coined feminism, which was championed by early progressives and socialists like Debbs. Marx and Engels were also pro-feminists (Engels is considered the father of feminism). Every single leftist power has had feminism as a core tenet of its ideology.
>>537878434>""private ownership" doesn't mean "no taxation"How is it private ownership when you're forced to give 35% of it away?Your brain is way too small for this conversation.
>>537878146>perceived race relations shit the bed with the rise of social media, digital media, legacy media dying, the economy shitting the bed and communist jew activism
>>537873290>brownoid anchor baby learned about the USSR in 9th grade history this past semester hey chat, what contributed more to the destruction of this country- Hart Cellar or birthright citizenship?
But you haven't said anything. You're just mad saying random insults like it means fuckall. The simple fact that you can't answer the question means you automatically lose.
>>537878363>Great, i can now post a link to a video of BLM riot burning down a walmart or a spic robbing a store or an indian worker crashing a ship into a bridge due to incompetency etc.You tell me how is that good for business?WTF does any of this have to with what I posted. You are a massive retard and can't handle normal discussion. 4chan is too high level for you somehow.
>>537878259The fed is private. The fed loans money to the us with interest and pockets the profit. The fed sits outside government structure, and the supreme court confirmed that this year. The fed is private.
>>537878036wow. that's an interesting made-up quote which you posted. which has nothing to do with my quotes. or anything i posted. very interesting. very interesting, indeed. and your /pol/meme, which equally is as fake, and infamously is not corroborated by any of the links which it portends within it, also was very interesting. yeah, if only it wasn't just empty, made-up internet posting which was totally fictional, it might have been impressive. unfortunate. unfortunate.
>>537873290>globohomo jew commies hate ethnic European peoples and men Some things never change!
>>537878555It's pretty fun watching everyone dunk on you, nglYou're the lolcow of your own thread. You don't even k ow what capitalism means.
>>537878547this is really all you people can do when you're called out, and proven wrong, huh? is just listlessly repeat yourselves? i've watched you do it a millions times. hilarious. therefore, i will merely link back to my previous comment >>537878259
Strange because previously capitalism meant colonization, like ruling India and China and Africa. Now you're saying it's the opposite?Nah the corporations only work within the system. But that system is not even capitalist it's just jewish.
>>537878605Ever wonder why nobody agrees with you and you're the one arguing and screaming to everyone else?It's because you're wrong.
>>537873290>>537873575>>537873755>>537873893>>537874098>anons falling for the same jew chatbot that's spammed here for years.
>>537873290>you're just for capitalismYeah because we don't live under it, it's been supplanted and replaced with hardcore bolshevik communism that's made us all artificially poor.
>>537878546>WTF does any of this have to with what I posted. Because from the perspective of the business, it's harmful to have incompetent minorities that commit crime in the country.
>>537878519i don't even....i mean, i don't even know what the fuck you're typing. what i know is that i can't even bother with people on this website who make up entirely fake quotes, greentext them, then randomly pretend the people they don't like wrote them. obviously i didn't. your posting here was very unimpressive.
>>537878364Populism is advocating for what helps the little guy. The average worker. That is not class politics. That is race. Race is real. Class is a lie the elite fed you.
>>537878632Liberals have no idea what capitalism is. They say it means owning the means of private production, and then in the same breathe say the government taking 35% of it away in taxes is also somehow capitalism.
>>537878659Its legit fun to fuck with the bot though. Watching it contort to defend feminism is always something I enjoy. Its like arguing with reddit.
>>537878524you're responsible for hart cellar, and all mass immigration-related legislation, as well as all mass-immigration, on the right. only you. no matter how much you try to blame the other people for your crimes.
>>537878524it was actually lobbying by globohomo jews, but those are good guesses. >>537878546Because local workers earning potential is undercut, and those worker’s lives are destabilized by the introduction of all of the replacements. It helps the profits of the corporations, and hurts the common people. Thats why the globohomo jews do it, retard.
>>537878429How is there any private ownership if there is no state to enforce your claim to property? How is there a state with no taxation? You do realize it's just a membership fee for people that have actual assets, right?
>>537878687repetitive. you people always are just endlessly, pathetically, repetitive. i will merely rewrite what i wrote in a previous post >>537877751: ""capitalism" means the private ownership of the means of production. period. the end. you can drop your "we're not living in a capitalist country" grift, that you're trying to promote in order to mislead white people, under the false pretenses that you are racist, into voting for your open borders agenda.">>537878727"populism" is just a fake grift you people made up. where you pretended to be vaguely leftists in order to get votes from working class white people, then leave them high and dry as always. then you hope when the next election cycle rolls around, they'll be too dumb to understand what you did to them, and fall for the whole cycle again.you're criminals. you should be prosecuted.
>>537878850No where in the definition does it talk about being governed under a central banking system. At this point you're just now arguing about laws, which again, have absolutely nothing to do with capitalism.
>>537878643oh yeah, that's why. definitely. its not becuz you people are professional propagandists here, or anything. you're not paid by billionaires, operating explicitly on their payrolls, in order to promote their interests with diversionary culturewar bait, and jewish scapegoats which protect "the wealthy" people, as a class, from blame. no, no, no. that would never be it.
>>537878691When a person posts something you're supposed to respond to the contents of that post. Not to your own post you stupid fuck. What you keep saying has nothing to do with what I posted. Those illegal immigrants in the news stories I posted are benefitting the business if they commit crimes to other businesses why would the business employing them care?
>>537878973You're the lolcow here screaming at everybody lol
>>537873290If you take capitalism to it's logical conclusion it would probably lead to voluntary contract societies. There's a notion that capitalism is synonymous with profit at all costs, even at the expense of culture or demographics, but really capitalism is just private property rights, including self-ownership. Yes, it's individualistic, but that doesn't mean individuals can't form voluntary communities and decide who they let in or how what kind of culture they wish to cultivate.
>>537878605The fed's entire purpose, as described by federal reserve chief Arthur F. Burns, is "more consumer goods". How many? "More".The fed's monetary policy raises consumer spending to a ludicrous extreme. To the point that everyone's obese, everyone's in debt to pay for it. We totally de-industrialized the country.
>>537878893>that you're trying to promote in order to mislead white peopleYou can’t even be bothered to humanize us enough to capitalize the word White. You’re kind all irrationally hate us, and men in general. You’re incredibly evil, no one good wants to have anything to do with you. I don’t know why you think anons will even listen to you if you can’t afford us basic decency.
>>537878601you're quite boring here, really. quite easy to "beat" you all, at your own little bullshit propaganda game.
>>537878893The left is and has been the primary enemy of the white worker for this country's history. Every reform you tout as victory has directly hurt the white worker. Class politics is anti worker politics, and always has been.
>>537879071You've already been debunked multiple times. All you're going to be doing for the next 2 hours is scream at 4chan posts here. Yeah, you're definitely the lolcow
>>537879075>Class politics is anti worker politicswhat do you want me to write here, man? i will write what i always write when i receive these comments: "i'm happy your pseudo populist mask has fallen off of your face,"
>>537878973>u anons are paid professional propagandists! Nah, we’re just quite good at advancing our arguments, we’re passionate about it and we have fun. Most of us have been left out and shut out of opportunities our entire lives for unfortunately being White men. Why you think anyone in this world is paying us is a mystery. We’re the very demographic being replaced and erased all over the planet, retard.
>>537879150You could aknowledge reality and agree that class politics is used primarily to repress the common man for the benefit of oligarchs. I suspect you won't.
>>537879035"u didn't capitalist W in 'white', therefore you're anti-white"? that was the best you could think up here? in this thread about how you're literally open borders psychopaths, who are replacing white people for your own personal profit, while pandering to them with the worlds most patently fake racism imaginable? wow. im sure it will play wonderfully. you must really believe white man are dumb. really unbelievably fucking dumb.not like you would think of recognizing "oh wow, wait, your post is correct, therefore we need to change our focus on to abolishing capitalism, and implementing class war, in order to eventually fix this problem with our open borders". no? you wouldn't write that? well, then you're full of shit, aren't you? nothing more, then.
>>537879150I always ask a leftist. Go into a bar in a coal mining area. Talk to the men in the bar, and explain to them your trans liberarion with queer characteristics.You might enter that establishment through the door, but you would leave through the window. Working class people heavily favor family values, conservative social norms. They are naturally more inclined to value hard work and strength.
>>537878925>Laws have nothing to do with capitalism So property rights are enforced by God himself, huh? I hope you're just having a giggle, amigo.
>>537879300what a hilarious comment.>You could aknowledge reality and agree that class politics is used primarily to repress the common man for the benefit of oligarchs. I suspect you won't.let me just repeat it a few more times.>You could aknowledge reality and agree that class politics is used primarily to repress the common man for the benefit of oligarchs. I suspect you won't.>You could aknowledge reality and agree that class politics is used primarily to repress the common man for the benefit of oligarchs. I suspect you won't.>You could aknowledge reality and agree that class politics is used primarily to repress the common man for the benefit of oligarchs. I suspect you won't.welcome to /pol/. this is what fascism is, white people. wake the fuck up, and face these fuckers against the wall. before its too late, frankly. you don't have much longer.
>>537879322why do you even expect me to take your "leftists are queer identity politics" misrepresentation seriously, anymore? I posted the meme above >>537878146. I've posted it a million times here before. we've all witnessed it 1,000,000 times. how and why do you even expect me to respond to these posts anymore? want me to post the pic rel one, too? the old one i used to post from these threads? back in the day? there you have it. TLDR: all of the "queer trans liberation" or whatever came from you people, in order to keep you winning elections.
>>537879425The communist playbook is to divide society against itself. Rich vs poor, black vs white, women vs men. They do this, because they are jews, and that's how jews operate. As a minority you benefit most when your enemies are fighting themselves.But the fascist idea is different. Uniting everyone, rich or poor, and saying "everyone must do their part". In that case these rich oligarchs are seen as a kind of invasive species, a creature of the jew. While the fascist would see them as a monster, it's not like they aren't able to join the right side.
>>537879382Capitalism implies living in a high trust society, hence "private ownership". You pushing laws have absolutely nothing to do with capitalism whatsoever.
>>537879555>>537879322
>>537879425As expected. You are utterly unable to concieve of truth. Makes sense why you got oneshot by the world's most obvious psyop.
>>537879555>misrepresentationIt's not though. Radical left activists all have dyed hair and piercings, because bundled up into leftism is all this gender freak shit. It should be the smoke in the coalmine warning you that these so called educated people don't actually know what they're talking about.
>>537879594False dichotomy
>>537879587identity politics is your fare. we're just focused on class. whatever else you write about us is just your bullshit propaganda and usual misrepresentations.
>>537879594>more lolcow postsThis is great
>>537879697>>537879587>identity politics is your fare. we're just focused on class. whatever else you write about us is just your bullshit propaganda and usual misrepresentations.PS: and yes, you use those identity politics to divide the public up, in order to prevent them from focusing on their primary class interest. in doing this, you protect the wealthy. to you, the wealthy are precious, precious.
>>537879691is this just a verbal default you people have begun throwing out there, whenever you're perplexed, and can't formulate a response? obviously people who have political policies, which are diametrically opposed to 1 another, are not "false dichotomies", and obviously yourselves, as fascists, exists to protect capitalism with your identity politics.
>>537879697>we're just focused on class.Ok so in my state of California, white people are systematically discriminated against on the basis of their race. They don't get jobs, they don't get loans. Millions them are streaming out of the state like a flood, because there's no ability for them to exist here.This system was established by leftist commie troons like you. You're talking about "helping the working class" bro you're literally knifing them in the heart so you can shell out for invading armies of hispanics and africans and shit.
>>537879769Class is not a valid organizing principal. You tacitly agree with this when you blame immigration on capital.
>>537879589>Capitalism implies whatever I say it implies to support my desired ideological conclusionsI'm sorry for trying to engage with you in any serious capacity, you definitely Got me. Feel free to give me a (you) anyway.
>>537873290>42pbtidOh look, the “that wasn’t real communism” lolcow is back
>>537879841leaving aside how much you obviously bullshit and mischaracterize everything, in order to peddle your manufactured-victimhood propaganda: california is a capitalist economy, for certain, therefore if this is true then you would hold 100% of the blame and accountability of this. once more, "culture wars being used to divide the public and prevent them from voting for the class wars" has been discussed numerous times above >>537879769 >>537879594 >>537879555 >>537878146.and it _all_ comes from you on the right. in order to mindcontrol the public, and keep them voting for you.now, you're just pretending you don't understand anything which i've written, in order to evade having to recognize your own rhetoric is false. intentionally false.
>>537879710you're deeply butthurt.profoundly.why?if you wanted mass immigration to end, you would be listening to me.but you're an open borders con artist, like everyone else here, too. psychopaths.
>>537880032>you’re the psychopath >not me, the “person” endorsing the deadliest political ideology of the last 250yrs
>>537879909isn't "not real communism" your own thing, on the right? i've never heard anyone on the left repeat the phrase. and i've only ever heard you people on the right repeat it. endlessly. over china, cuba, north korea, ussr, modern russia or whoever else?
you know what? I'm gonna come clean. you're right about everything, comrade.everything I have ever posted here has been scripted for me. i have been handsomely compensated by the titans of international finance capital to promote mass gay illegal immigration, drag queen story hour, and transgender H1B visa Indian rape gangs, all to trick the working class white proletarian not to identify with the international workers' movement and his fellow oppressed workers in India and China. i renounce this fraud and burn this money I was paid (incidentally it was in shekels) and announce the coming of the Communist Revolution! Workers of the world unite!
>>537880032You cannot solve a race issue with class politics. You cannot solve anything with class politics. Class politics are purposefully designed to be useless and get people spinning their wheels.
>>537879970>manufactured-victimhood propagandaManufactured? Try applying for a job in california as a white person.The only white people left in california are mega-rich, because the ENTIRE white working class was driven out of the state. We've gone from 80% to 20% in the span of my short lifetime. The problem is lunatic communist psychos like you, who don't know what the fuck you're talking, won't admit you're wrong, and cling to these philiophical ideas from the 1860's like a religion. >california is a capitalist economyIs it? How much free money for spics and homeless? It's like a socialist dream.>your own rhetoric is falseBut it's not rhetoric, it's a statement of fact. The California state government ABOLISHED a constitutional amendment forbidding racial discrimination, because it was interfering with their attempts to discriminate against the white minority
>>537879872>private ownership doesn't mean a high trust society You're obviously an idiot.
>>537880129There's a name for people who do the same thing over and over and over again expecting different results.
>>537880129>we never say it wasn’t real communismYes you do. All I have to do is point to the myriad real world failures of your childish ideology and your chorus commences.
>>537880112oh oh oh oh oh oh oh, we're doing the "communism killed 100 million people" game now?wow. i haven't even played this one in ages on here. i figured you all figured out how uneffective and pointless it was.here, sir. i have placed my response for you within the most briefest of video formats.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrVLOvJFtzM(in reality, though, it was you people on the right who murdered all of those people whom you falsely attribute as being murdered by communists. but this is irrelevant rite now becuz i absolutely believe wealthy criminals should be murdered.)PS, my apologies if my ID is different now, my internet appeared to just reset for whatever fucking reason. pointless. never have fucking verizon. theyre awful.
>>537880281i've never heard a leftist write this phrase.>>537880252fascists? people who pretend for 250 years that open borders isn't due to capitalism, and will eventually be fixed? and then inevitably end up just getting generationally replaced in their own nation? becuz this capitalist system inherently requires them to be replaced by infinite immigration? that's who?
>>537880286>communism didn’t kill all those people>it was capitalism who caused the famines in communist countries, rounded up and shot dissidents, and brutalized their people>all while being outlawed in those communist states This is what I mean when I say you communists are actual children. You simply cannot accept the reality of your failed ideology
>>537873290Goyium, you entertain me sometimes.
>>537880195i already answered all of this above. usual just repeating yourself becuz you have no real answer for leftist politics, on the right. you always do this. and i always just repeat myself."leaving aside how much you obviously bullshit and mischaracterize everything, in order to peddle your manufactured-victimhood propaganda: california is a capitalist economy, for certain, therefore if this is true then you would hold 100% of the blame and accountability of this. once more, "culture wars being used to divide the public and prevent them from voting for the class wars" has been discussed numerous times above >>537879769 >>537879594 >>537879555 >>537878146.""and it _all_ comes from you on the right. in order to mindcontrol the public, and keep them voting for you.""now, you're just pretending you don't understand anything which i've written, in order to evade having to recognize your own rhetoric is false. intentionally false.""
>>537880385>fascism existed 250yrs agoGoddamn you’re a retard. Clearly never read a book beyond das kapital
>>537880385>open borders isn't due to capitalismCapitalists do push for open borders because that's where their interest is aligned. But they exist inside an environment that planned all this out. For example, historically capitalism was about colonization. It still is that way for China, their capitalism is about building investments in Africa and the Middle East. These state-level policies are much, much more powerful than any specific industry. Congress can sign a bill nuking an entire billion dollar industry into the dirt, and they've done that plenty of times. That's real power they have, it's not a joke.
>>537880452it was fascists who did those things. yes. in real history, outside of the western world's endless propaganda. yup. but it's fine with me if you deny it, anyhow. because, like i wrote above, i absolutely want many, many, wealthy criminals rounded up and prosecuted violently by an authoritarian communist government. yup. yup.
The truth is both the capitalism and communism are leftist. There is a third way. That is the right wing. Conservative and right wing politics has always (until the words were rendered meaningless by ignorant American political discourse) as a third way - an alternative to both liberals and socialists. Both capitalism and socialism lead to the degeneration of society.
>>537880032Everyone dunking on you, this is greatPlease keep posting. More and more people see as the lolcow you are.
>>537880523Ah yes, the renowned fascists like Stalin, Mao, pol pot, Castro, ….It’s always someone else’s fault
>>537880521you're just accusing your enemies of your own crimes. like always. china's a 1 party communist country. and you're not going to convince anyone they're "imperialistic" or "colonists" in any fashion. in africa, or elsewhere. it's just not rooted in reality in any fashion. you can whine and pretend it's true....but its patently not. that's _you_, and your imperialist policies which are oppressing and tormenting africa, and many other people who are not africans, for your own profit. only you.
once more, my apologies here for my ID possibly changing. my internet keeps on resetting. nothing i can do about it. verizon.>>537880604good thing no one whome you're responding to in this thread ever wrote or implied that these communist leaders were fascists. otherwise you would have a point there, or whatever. but this didn't happen. therefore, you don't.>>537880490fascism existed 250 years ago....yup.
>>537880638China is a state. The state has capitalist economy. That capitalist economy is not creating mass immigration. Instead it's basically colonizing Africa, building markets in Eastern Europe and Southeast Asia. So it's not necessarily the case that capitalism = immigration. Britain invented capitalism, they didn't have significant immigration until like 20 years ago.
>>537880586you people are boring. your propaganda is weak. my polemics are impressive. my kung-fu is better than your kung-fu.even with my internet resets making it more difficult for me. i'm able to just beat you people with 1 hand behind my back. you're no problem. youre cake.
>>537880774Your propaganda is weak. My source? You haven't changed a single how mind in this thread. You truly are a moron.
>>537880712>fascism existed 250 years ago.true, but who were the fascists and who were the communists in the American Revolution?
>>537880755FFS, you fucking people are just infinitely repetitive.nope. i already responded to this bullshit angle above >>537874098: "[capitalism only exists] inside of the free trade zones you made them set up under the threat of your right-wing imperialism, and in order to be allowed to trade with you. outside of those tiny, limited free trade zones, though, the chinese laws are communist, and represent out views as communists. its a 1 party communist nation. and your whole "china is not real communism" grift is not selling with anyone.""it exists in order to keep you from having to admit you, and everything you've ever believed, was beaten by your foes: the leftists."
>>537873290The racial component has to be taken into account to avoid Bolshevik system where a bunch of seething ratling kikes are engaging in 'communism' with a bunch of goyims they despise but rule them via central committee plus rat jew commissars. Also can't be any comrade Shaqueetas demanding AYO WE BEEZ ABOUT KILLIN ALL DA WYPEEPO N SHEEET. Your argument about Capitalism being attached to immigration works both ways. They both have to be stopped and even reversed. Low grade shitters demand socialism assuming they will be socialized with Wypeepo. No AOC, you gotta live with the brownies and socialize with them.
>>537880834>>537880755>FFS, you fucking people are just infinitely repetitive.>nope. i already responded to this bullshit angle above >>537874098: "[capitalism only exists] inside of the free trade zones you made them set up under the threat of your right-wing imperialism, and in order to be allowed to trade with you. outside of those tiny, limited free trade zones, though, the chinese laws are communist, and represent out views as communists. its a 1 party communist nation. and your whole "china is not real communism" grift is not selling with anyone.">"it exists in order to keep you from having to admit you, and everything you've ever believed, was beaten by your foes: the leftists."PS: just drop it, man. you're not going to convince anyone of any "2+2=5" fuckery in this thread. not with me here. china is a 1 party communist nation. and they don't have immigration. the united states is a noted fascist nation. and its associated capitalist economic system, which your fascism exists to protect, is what forces us to rely on immigrants. its a basic fact.why do you want to deny this basic fact?becuz you're an open borders psychopath who is replacing white people for your own personal profit. you're paid by billionaire to post here. to gaslight and to mislead the public. you're a psychopath. you're the enemy of every person on this planet, who isn't ultrawealthy. and especially white men.
>>537873290Productive economies have no use for low IQ brown retards.
>>537880712>no one said those communist leaders were fascist >>537880523Dipshit
>>537880800im not here to change the minds of paid propagandists who promote an open borders agenda under the false guise of "racism, and white nationalism".i'm not here to mess with your opinion.but i will note, if you believed your own proposed anti-immigration views, then you would be vehemently agreeing with every word i post. bastards. propagandists.
>>537881023You've spent 2 hours screaming at random 4chan anons and you you haven't changed a single mind. In fact, you've only been debunked and refuted in your own thread. Your propaganda is weak. But go on, keep giving out (You)s like the desperate lonely Incel you are. Time to enjoy my Friday.
>>537878755>doesn’t know who Emmanuel Celler and Philip Hart are or how the bill came to passYou’re an ignorant pubescent low IQ 3rd world’er who is going to get deported one day. You can take your faggoty gross misunderstanding of politics and economics back to the 3rd world where that sort of logic prevails.
>>537880938China is 1 party and communist, but the economy is very capitalist.I guess you could say in America the capitalists rule the government, while in China the reverse is true.Well whatever. The problem with immigration is not the economic system, but it's a problem with the political system. Like how democracy isn't really democracy when you can buy elections.
>>537881000i never wrote anything which portends those communist leaders were fascists. you can point to whatever posts you want. its not even remotely in the ballpark of what i wrote. you people are always weak. you're always just "nuh uh! u wrote [insert thing here, which no one wrote]". its your main tactic, whenever "blame the jews, instead of us" fails. pathetic. weak. unimpressive.
>>537881085how much can you people just ignore whatever people write to you, and then listlessly repeat yourselves? "im not here to change the minds of paid propagandists who promote an open borders agenda under the false guise of "racism, and white nationalism".""i'm not here to mess with your opinion.""but i will note, if you believed your own proposed anti-immigration views, then you would be vehemently agreeing with every word i post. bastards. propagandists."
>>537878803>jews Well yea that’s obviously the root of the problem. I was just presenting a binary choice as a sort of tongue in cheek joke to mock OP
>>537881105"how much can you people just ignore whatever people write to you, and then listlessly repeat yourselves?"here, anon. i'll link back _again_ to the posts in which i already addressed your false points (which you don't want to acknowledge becuz you don't want to admit you're full of shit).here >>537880938 >>537880834. OK? FFS, man. how much longer are we going to go through this dance?huh? just don't respond if the only thing you can do is ignore everything i wrote, then dumbly repeat yourself.
>>537881156ok you got me this post a little ironic bro
>>537873290>pic relNot remotely correct.
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>>537881107Holy fuck, you cannot tell the truth even once. Do you think because you hop IPs we can’t tell it’s you? >>537880452>>537880523
OK uh, we're in the "anons are just pretending they didn't read your posts, and listlessly repeating themselves" portion of the thread now. this portion of the thread always arises, eventually. it happens becuz you people know your points are bullshit. and you have no responses for whenever people point out the truths. im probably just going to fuck off on out of this thread now then. peace. bye.(PS, i view myself as the unequivocal winner in this instance. as always.)
>>537879425>white people. wake the fuck upWho is even your audience here? You are so obviously anti-male and anti-White it’s unbelievable.
if any of you have anything actually interested, intelligent and novel to post, then i will probably check back in periodically and respond to it (but we both know this won't happen. because you've already exhausted all of your propaganda. and been BTFOd).
>>537881340>I view myself as the winnerDespite the fact you think that the champions of your ideology are actually fascists. “That’s not real communism” strikes again
>>537881391like i wrote above, anon >>537881340. we're in the portion of the thread where you people are just relentlessly doubling down on bullshit you've already had proven fake, or which just didn't make sense in the first place. or, in your case, you're just pretending you don't understand the english language. or hoping if you twist people's words in the most obvious ways which they were not meant, it will mean "you won". it won't work. but have fun with it.no point for me to put up with it. you wont fool even one person.
im probably going to watch a movie, or whatever. if you have recommendations let me know. i like horror movies.
>>537873290>communism will win.it didnt even win in countries that tried to do ityou are so fucking stupid lol
>>537881569Truman Show. We are all paid twice a month by a Truman Show-esque capitalist corporate entity.
>>537880834What the fuck are you talking about? China is the closest thing to NatSoc existing on the planet. They haven’t been remotely communist in anything but name only for quite some time.The Chinese insistence on a national character to their socialism, as opposed to some gay globohomo Comintern bullshit like the Soviet Union pushed, was the driving reason behind the Sino-Soviet split in the 60’s. Damn you’re uneducated on the very topics you claim to support lol
>>537881681how does this even make any sense? i mean, "not real communism"? is that what we're doing here now? i'll make a note to all of the anons above who tried to claim it was leftists who write "not real communism", even though i've never heard that phrase uttered by 1 of us. and i relentlessly hear it uttered from rightists.
>>537881569>i like horror movies.you should not do that. they are produced by capitalist pigs.
>>537881712good movie, actually. but its not horror. i mostly like older horror movies. or fantasy. from the 20th century, though.>>537881728i can't even fucking bother with this bullshit. china is a 1 party communist nation. you're trying to misinform people to the contrary in order to confuse them, and in order to evade having to admit that your right wing politics lost to your foes: leftists.its fucking boring, man. it's fucking repetitive 2+2=5-level idiotic bullshit.
>>537881807"communism" doesn't mean "people dont buy things" or "people dont watch horror movies".these are not aspects of our beliefs, as communists. it also does not mean "people don't buy computers from apple, or coffee from starbucks, when they're already living in capitalist countries,"
>>537873618>bizarre coincidence immigration is all supported and executed by communists>USSR>Strong borders>North Korea>Strong borders>China>Strong bordersWhat are you smoking? Communist countries have a motive to keep borders closed to prevent capitalist subversion and protect the working class. Capitalist countries have a motive to have open borders to bring immigrants that can drive down the cost of labor, increase rent, and increase the consumer base. If they can't bring in cheap labor then the alternative is moving industry overseas to where the cheap labor is at. Working class interests are sidelined under capitalism. You are a capitalist cuck. Enjoy being flooded by immigrants because you vote for it every time you vote for a party backed by capitalists.And no, liberals aren't communists. The fact you conflate the two is no wonder why you're confused.
>>537881868Tell us how China is operating in a communist economics fashion that’s necessarily centrally planned and administered. They have private property and everything there. They openly adopted capitalism long ago, and quite literally operate in an economic and governmental structure that is very nationalistic and socialist in character. It’s a mix of state owned enterprises and private businesses. Please tell us how that’s “Communist” just because the word is still in the CPC, because in every real way it looks and functions like NatSoc. Which is probably why international, globohomo jews hate it so much.
>>537873688As a Ugandan I find that offensive
Hahahaha Americans and Europeans deserve what is happening.
>>537881939amen, comrade. I for one always have to have my morning frappuccino and the latest iphone. The revolution will not be streamed on some cheap shitty samsung.
>>537880385>communists don't say not true communism!>>537880286>that wasn't true communism!You're hilarious.
>>537881681>it didnt even win in countries that tried to do -ACKYes, it didn't win. That's why capitalists did everything in their power to bring communist countries down. It wasn't like the USA was fighting the USSR in a Cold War for 40 years.
>>537881939My wife was born under communism in Eastern Europe and my in laws still tell us about it often as they lived it during their formative and adult years. There wasn’t even food to buy in stores and farmers were sneaking food to striking workers who’d been shut out from access to any. What you and low level retards wish to believe about how life and consumption in communism should be is fairly irrelevant. The systems themselves produce very well known and understood outcomes.
>>537881868>china is a 1 party communist nationA contradiction of terms. You mean Marxist. And it's only nominally Marxist post Deng Xiaoping.
>>537881996>Strong bordersTo keep people in
>>537873290Buddy, I am a throne and altar theocrat
>>537873290What are some communist parties that want to close the borders?
>>537882045i already answered all of this above >>537880834, and in usual /pol/ fashion, you're just pretending you didn't read it, and ignoring it, and then listlessly repeating yourself, in order to evade having to acknowledge you're just wrong and full of bullshit.your characterizations of china are entirely false. and borne entirely of your western anti-communist propaganda intents. china's a 1 party communist nation. and any misrepresentations you make to the contrary are your own empty, unimpressive ramblings, which are just the usual "2+2=5" /pol/ fare. communists are not opposed to "private property", despite your misrepresentations of us.
>>537882199The capitalists bankrolled communism, rather openly. Communism was supported by international capital, to the tune of billions yearly, and it still fell apart.
>>537882218its utterly repetitive with you people:>your characterizations of china are entirely false. and borne entirely of your western anti-communist propaganda intents. china's a 1 party communist nation. and any misrepresentations you make to the contrary are your own empty, unimpressive ramblings, which are just the usual "2+2=5" /pol/ fare. communists are not opposed to "private property", despite your misrepresentations of us.>"[capitalism only exists] inside of the free trade zones you made them set up under the threat of your right-wing imperialism, and in order to be allowed to trade with you. outside of those tiny, limited free trade zones, though, the chinese laws are communist, and represent out views as communists. its a 1 party communist nation. and your whole "china is not real communism" grift is not selling with anyone.">"it exists in order to keep you from having to admit you, and everything you've ever believed, was beaten by your foes: the leftists."I just can't keep going with this bullshit. it's so fucking boring. every comment is just you people pretending you did not read what was posted to you, and then repeating yourselves. and repeating fake claims, intended to mindfuck the public.
>>537880129>isn't "not real communism" your own thing, on the right?LMAO. You're obviously a teenager.https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/537085498/https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/537086813/>>537882264An actual communist society wouldn't even have a state or borders. So avoiding for communism to those who are against mass migration doesn't make much sense.
>>537882268>communists are not opposed to "private property", despite your misrepresentations of us.They do nothing to defend it so it always magically ends up disappearing in communist systems.
>>537882360You're a clueless child. You embarrass yourself with every thread.
>>537873575They also don't allow fleeing citizens. Communism is such a failure that tyranny is a prerequisite to keep it from crumbling down. Look at north korea. It survives by banning emigration, but that survival means being poor.
>>537882213i don't giv ea fuck about your fake autobiography. no one does. and no one thinks it was real. and no one doesn't understand that you made it up in order to defend the financial interests of your precious, precious billionaires. and nothing more.and the vast majority of people who live in formerly-communist nations have very warm and positive views of communism. poll after poll demonstrates this. no matter who conducts these polls.
>>537873755shalom, moshe
>>537882373*advocating
>>537882373Exactly, that’s the thing. China is easily far more National Socialist now than it is anything resembling communism. They are viciously nationalistic.
>>537882373Communist countries in Asia have strict border controls and strict immigration quotas; to be fair. However, it's an aspect of their own national character and the particular bureaucrats in power, not anything to do with communism. Pretty much every Western communist part is in favor of open borders, because the West is "evil white imperialists who deserve to be replaced". I can't even begin to see communism as an option as a white man, because the majority of communist zeitgeist is against me.
>>537882373i love the way you posted 2 completely random threads of mine, full of good communist talking points, and then didn't even refute 1 of them. hilarious. funny.
End immigration and zionism at any fucking cost.I don't care what is fucking costs.NATIONAL SOCIALISM WORKER'S RIGHTSThese by the very nature are anti zionist anti immigration ideas and so I support it completely.May God obliterate Israel and deliver all the foreigners plaguing my nation to hell.
>>537873290is called globohomo, OP welcome on 4chan,
>>537882399huh? we're not opposed to private property. no matter how many times you people relentlessly write that we are. you know, you can keep writing "nuh uh! ur opposed to this thing [which we all relentlessly tell you we're not opposed to]". I mean, let me know how it works out for you. im of the belief it just points out how much mendacity you operate with.>>537882439>>537882408to be clear, everything which you make up about communism, and misrepresent it is, including your post to the other anon here >>537882373, is just entirely your own fiction. over, and over again, im certain everyone understands people on /pol/ are intentionally trying to misrepresent their left-wing political oppositions views. it only becomes even more comically ridiculous when you have a leftist like me here, and im like "uh nope....that's not what we're into,">>537882472lol! good post! just call people jewish! pic rel!
>>537882539You don't understand the distinction between a socialist state and communism. You think every country not ruled by a marxist party is fascist. You don't understand why right wingers aren't inherently against the existence of an elite. You know nothing.
>>537882612you're full of bullshit, though. if you really wanted to end it, "at all costs", or even at all, then you would want to abolish capitalism. you would not be pushing fascist politics, which are intended to protect capitalism with identity politics and jewish scapegoating. you know man, you people are just so obviously bullshit. its really boring conversing with you, passed a point. boring pointing your hypocrisies out over, and over, and over.
>>537882733Marx was openly against private property. If you are for private property, you are not a communist. It's right on the tin.
>>537882733>hurr right wingers are the one who say "wasn't real communism"/"communism has never been tried"Hilarious.
>>537882753your goal appears to be to aggressively tell me that im not really a communist, or that im not as bookread as you, or whatever, and thereby defend all of your usual fascist strawmen of communism, and communist beliefs. i mean, have fun. usual /pol/ bullshit where you're just aggressively trying to misrepresent the views of your political opposition.lemme know how it goes for you. i believe people understand that i'm the one who defines my views. and not you people on the right.
>>537882876you have 6 posts in this thread, thus far, and 5 of them, i believe, were pushing the "not real communism" grift, on me. funny. funny. funny.
>>537882983Read Marx bro. Learn theory.
>>537882733>we're not opposed to private propertyIt doesn’t matter if you and a handful of commies here in the west think that way. What matters is that the inherent structure of communism doesn’t support it because it places no emphasis on it, and usually quite the contrary.Which means that’s what ends up happening in a communist *system* whether the participants like it or not.Do you think you get to fucking have a vote, anon?
>>537882854nope. marx wasn't "openly against private property". nope. inb4 you post the usual out-of-context quote from the communist manifesto, which i'm certain you've been told 1 million times, by communists, is out-of-context, and does not represent the political views of communists. nor marx. nor anyone. and when you present it in-context, its making a political point of why everyone deserves property, instead of just the ultra wealthy.
>>537883009Read and learn from a guy who didn't know any math or science, and only knew a bunch of psycholophical mumbo jumbo that psuedointellecuals use to sound smart?Bro I am smarter than Marx. I can do math and science.
>>537883075Hey, does marx believe someone should own a means of production?
>>537873290Whole planet is capitalist bro, where are the immigrants coming from?Such a wildly stupid take. Like if you got rid of all immigrants suddenly you couldn’t sell cars.
>>537883027no. its not "a handful of communists in the west". it's just communists, as a whole, are not opposed to private property. you've made up that lie, based on an intentionally-wrenched-from-context lie from the communist manifesto. and you just relentlessly push it, no matter how many times you hear it pointed out to you that we're not about that.>>537883009yeah, thats cool dude. go ahead and bank on your elitism and academic snobbery to save you with your poor and working-class victims here, whom you're targeting with your anti-worker propaganda. anyway, just read above, or >>537883075. how much longer are we going to play the "nuh uh, communists believe [x right-wing misrepresentations of communism]" thing? when i'm right here to openly exclaim that none of these are our views?
>>537883174Perhaps a self described communist would benefit from actually reading Marx.
>>537883192its "bourgeois" property that marx was against. "bourgeois" meaning wealthy people who own big companies, or factories.
>>537883270Boirgeoise means middle class people who own a means of production. So does marx want people to own a means of production?
>>537880521>Capitalists do push for open bordersLike who?
>>537883230the whole planet is not capitalist. most of the planet, in my opinion, is not capitalist. it only has capitalist pressures applied to it through western imperialism, which are resisted to various degrees. and a few nations resist even much more than the others. ie china, or russia.
>>537883302The vast majority of billionaires. That's obviously true. That doesn't mean that marxism is correct.
>>537882842>workers rights and nationalized socialism is fascistlook up what fascist means.But like I said I'm willing to accept any price to destroy zionist and immigration completely.
>>537873290capitalism does = immigration. it is true.
>>537883299"bourgeois" means the wealthy. no matter how much you whine "nuh uh, it mean tha middle class!" or show me a definition from a dictionary, which corroborates your bullshit. its not going to make any difference, or change what the word means from communists.
>>537883252I would surmise Marx was a smart man. But the intellectual culture he comes from is this philisophical stuff, not facts, data, science....etc.That's why marxists find it so convenient to assert things like "gender doesn't exist". Because when your whole intellectual debate is mashing words together, flipping a negative to a positive is all too convenient.Race exists. No race DOESN'T exist.Gender exists. No gender DOESN'T exist.This is the playing field of the marxist. They don't think in rigorious mechanical terms. Like chromosomes and DNA and shit. Fundamentally they are not western thinkers.
>>537883345i have nothing to write in response to you when you falsely put made-up quotes in greentext, then pretend i wrote them, when i didn't. just the dumbest and most pointless type of response, from you people.fascism is when rich people use identity politics to protect capitalism from socialism. your jewish scapegoats are part of that, too. any other rhetoric you have about yourselves is just your empty nazi bullshit.
to anyone who is reading these right-wing misrepresentations of what marxism is. or what communism is. you might be thinking to yourself, "well, what is communism, then? if its not what these nazis are telling me?"and the answer is deceivingly simple: communism is a philosophy of class war against the wealthy. that's all."that's all, really?"yup. that's all. marx wrote a critique of capitalism, and a few pages worth of polemics extolling the rights of the working people in broad manners. and everything else is right-wing misrepresentation.we, as communists, advocate for focusing on class politics rather than identity politics. we view the identity politics as being pushed by the wealthy, in order to divide us, and conquer us.
>>537883270>>537883299>>537883410you're both wrong. it does mean the middle class, but not a middle class that owns the means of production. that's the "capitalist class" for marx, and so the means of production needs to get transferred to the "working class," which marx was most definitely not part of. it's all very academic and retarded. the bourgeosie are bad guys and supporters of the elite capitalist system because they own 2 used cars so they need to be put up against the wall and shot.
>>537883510is there something profound im supposed to take from your random twitter screenshot post? i mean, is there something i'm supposed to be moved by, here?communism has provided near-universal home ownership for chinese peasants. labor has become mostly-optional. these people work for luxury goods. they fear no poverty. they pay no bills to live. they don't deal with your culture war degeneracy either, which you foment on both sides in order to mindcontrol the western public into voting for your precious fascism.you manufacture the threat, in order to mindcontrol people. classic feature of fascism. im surprised anyone still falls for it.
>>537883410Communists themselves define it as middle class, as middle class is considered "wealthy". But that's beside the point. Does Marx support people owning a means of production?
>>537883771"bourgeois" means the wealthy. its never going to matter what other bullshit you people write. "bourgeois" is a very commonly-used word in the western language. everyone knows what it means. you people are fucking idiots when youre pretending "bourgeois means le middle class!" i mean get real. who do you motherfuckers always feel youre fooling? almost no one is fooled by you, man. you're blatant.
>>537873290>capital causes immigration>therefore, we need to abolish capital>this will somehow benefit whites specifically
>>537883800im just going to repeat myself. this bullshit is utterly unimpressive and boring >>537883847:""bourgeois" means the wealthy. its never going to matter what other bullshit you people write. "bourgeois" is a very commonly-used word in the western language. everyone knows what it means. you people are fucking idiots when youre pretending "bourgeois means le middle class!" i mean get real. who do you motherfuckers always feel youre fooling? almost no one is fooled by you, man. you're blatant."
>>537883646Fuck off and KYS kike You have never worked a day in your life, and wouldn't know labor if they beat you to death.
>>537883890>>537883800>im just going to repeat myself. this bullshit is utterly unimpressive and boring >>537883847 (You):>""bourgeois" means the wealthy. its never going to matter what other bullshit you people write. "bourgeois" is a very commonly-used word in the western language. everyone knows what it means. you people are fucking idiots when youre pretending "bourgeois means le middle class!" i mean get real. who do you motherfuckers always feel youre fooling? almost no one is fooled by you, man. you're blatant."PS, your misrepresentation is rooted in the fact that when Marx wrote, monarchies were very much a thing. therefore "the wealthy" were considered "the middle class" when compared to monarchs.
>>537883890Why are you avoiding the question? Does marx support owning a means of production?
>>537883890Save your breath kike, everyone knows "bourgeois" is just the scapegoat for schizophrenic kikes fuckups.Do the world a favor and KYS
>>537883646When do you expect the Chinese state to wither away so true communism can be implemented? >>537883778It's not a random twitter post and I'm not surprised you don't understand it's implication.
>>537883962Because there is no answer that doesn't expose the kike as a thieving sack of shit.
>>537883962i answered this question, directly, in 1 of the posts above. why are you pretending i didn't? i wrote something to you, somewhere up there, about how Marx was opposed to "bourgeois property". meaning wealthy people who own huge companies or factories. i mean, what do you not get? what is always the problem with you fucks on this board, where you just randomly indignantly pretend you didn't get answers to questions to which you received direct answers?
>>537883847No, you yourself are a bourgeouis Starbucks drinking, Apple iphone owning faggot, as you said so yourself. You don't get a nice job in the Party after the Revolution, comrade. You get put up against the wall with rest of the kulaks and boojies.
>>537884056You didn't. You deflected. I did not ask about bougeois property, and I did not ask about factories. I asked about a means of production. Does Marx support owning a means of production?
>>537884004>When do you expect the Chinese state to wither away so true communism can be implemented?these aren't the views of communists. these are misrepresentations of communism which you peddle on the right in order to make us appear comical and extremist. 90% of your propaganda involves the misrepresentation of your political opposition: leftists.>It's not a random twitter post and I'm not surprised you don't understand it's implication.once more: let me know when you want to let me know why what you posted was supposed to move me. and yup, it was a random twitter screenshot. exactly. like literally. like explicitly.
>>537884126LMFAO. you fucking people are pathetic, and insane. >>537884056: "i answered this question, directly, in 1 of the posts above. why are you pretending i didn't? i wrote something to you, somewhere up there, about how Marx was opposed to "bourgeois property". meaning wealthy people who own huge companies or factories. i mean, what do you not get? what is always the problem with you fucks on this board, where you just randomly indignantly pretend you didn't get answers to questions to which you received direct answers?"
>>537884190Friedrich Engels wasn't a communist?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withering_away_of_the_state>communism is a philosophy of class war against the wealthy. that's all.You claim China is a communist society. Class war against the wealthy is a priority of theirs?>The Gini coefficient measures income inequality:>0 = perfect equality>1 (or 100) = one person has everything>For China:>Around 0.30 in the early 1980s>Peaked around 0.49–0.50 in the late 2000s>More recently has hovered around 0.46–0.47, according to official estimates and international organizations.>For comparison:>United States: about 0.41>Canada: about 0.32–0.34>Many Western European countries: 0.27–0.32>This means China's income inequality is high by international standards.
>>537884232Why do you keep deflecting? Surely you can tell me if marx supports owning a means of production? A factory is a means of production yes, but all means of production are not factories. Does marx support owning a means of production?
>>537884095ok. well i am a drinker of coffee, and a user of phones.>>537881939: ""communism" doesn't mean "people dont buy things" or "people dont watch horror movies".""these are not aspects of our beliefs, as communists. it also does not mean "people don't buy computers from apple, or coffee from starbucks, when they're already living in capitalist countries,""in terms of your claim that i'm going to be "put up against the wall by communists" or something, entirely randomly, and for no reason: no. this is directly a falsehood, which you've predicated on nothing LMFAO.
>>537884190Comminism isn't true, I don't know how to tell you this. You need to move away from this communist shit. Just because you can't think of anything better to oppose big capital.
>>537884232>meaning wealthy people who own huge companies or factories.>where you just randomly indignantly pretend you didn't get answers to questions to which you received direct answersWtf are you a 5 year old describing a toy? Wtf is a huge company or factory?
>>537884330no one ever told you that "friedrich engels wasn't a communist". but obviously whatever he wrote doesnt instantly make things "what communists believe". right? i mean, come on, man. i dont need to explain that to you. just entirely basic.your "gini coefficient" is grossly misleading in the instance of china. and is cherrypicked by you in order to mislead people. lastly, i will relink once more to the post about china's free trade zones vs communism in the rest of their country >>537874098:>>"[capitalism only exists] inside of the free trade zones you made them set up under the threat of your right-wing imperialism, and in order to be allowed to trade with you. outside of those tiny, limited free trade zones, though, the chinese laws are communist, and represent out views as communists. its a 1 party communist nation. and your whole "china is not real communism" grift is not selling with anyone."
>>537884354>"people dont watch horror moviesSo there should definitely be a long list of outstanding cinema from communist, lol.
>>537883456you're an idiot, but good on you for trying
>>537884425bro. you guys couldnt have possibly been answered more clearly.i mean, what is the deal with posts like this....>Wtf is a huge company or factorywhat is up with you people just relentlessly pretending you dont understand basic things, in order to somehow declare yourselves "winners of the debate"?i mean, you can see this all throughout this thread. its insane. rightwingers pretending they cant understand basic words, or basic concepts....just in order to avoid having to admit their bullshit was fucked up and BTFO.
>>537884559I dunno mate I got a pretty nice degree from a top university that says otherwise. Marx couldn't even do math, how am I supposed to respect a single word out of his mouth?
>>537884502>and represent out views as communists.So you are a chink?
>>537884346again, i should have just tagged you in this comment, too >>537884608. i mean, enough is enough with you people. get real. how much longer can you just indignantly pretend you're not answered, when you are? or that you don't understand something, in order to declare yourself "winner of the debate"?
>>537873290CommunismIsn’t the answer but yes. The hoards of caveman jeets being shipped here are just being used to keep multinationals afloat. Without the cave people every large grocery chain, Walmart and railway would essentially collapse or be forced to pay a domestic population competitive wages. Those who didn’t would have to pack up shop.
>>537873290>immigration causes capitalismAgreed. Start by cutting immigration
>>537884608If you want to debate ideas, debate ideas. Not "what did marx say". Bro I genuinely don't give a fuck what Marx said. He's not my proxy-dad like he is for you
>>537884502>no one ever told you that "friedrich engels wasn't a communist". but obviously whatever he wrote doesnt instantly make things "what communists believe". right? i mean, come on, man. i dont need to explain that to you. just entirely basic.See:>From History of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (Bolsheviks): Short Course (1938), a canonical Marxist-Leninist text:>“Marxism is the system of the views and teachings of Marx and Engels.”>A similar framing appears in Vladimir Lenin’s essay Karl Marx (1914), written as an authoritative Marxist interpretation of Marx’s legacy:>“Marxism is the system of Marx and Engels, the system of their views and teachings.”This is basic stuff.
>>537884687communism is your only answer. whoever denies this is an open borders fascist.
>>537884608You're still deflecting on answering a very simple question we both know the answer to. Does marx support owning a means of production?
>>537884673Because you didn't answer. You deflected. If you want me to stop asking, answer. Does marx support owning a means of production?
>>537884056>"bourgeois property". meaning wealthy people who own huge companies or factories.no, those huge companies and factories are the means of production and their owners are the "capitalist class," the boorjewazi are the middle class, aka YOU and ur iphone and Hollywood horror classics.
>>537884723Well that’s a pretty measured take to my balanced post. Appreciate you addressing the fine points and attempting to refute themSeeeeeething
>>537884705ok. i dont really care what marx said either. i never claimed to. you're the one above pretending "communists don't believe in private property becuz of my out-of-context quote from the manifesto" werent you?>>537884711no. just because friedrich engels discussed an idea at 1 point in time, it does not make it "something all communists believe". you can pretend it does. it won't matter. again, your misrepresentations like that only work when actual leftists aren't here to point out our actual views. i am a big government authoritarian. i am a "tankie". i will happily defend the tank, and not the man, in tiannanmen square. i am a communist. and my views are most typical of communism. and not whatever misrepresentations youre peddling.
>>537884608>you guys couldnt have possibly been answered more clearly.Huge is not a clear definition of what size companies and factories must be claimed by commies So is this little Suzie selling 20 gallons of ice tea and lemonade? or is it bobs welding shop that can fix a single d11 in his shop, or is it bezo's share of Amazon. 263 posts in this thread and you have yet to say anything other than catchphrases and vague cobblity goop. Do the world and KYS.
>>537884784its very simple. the capitalist system requires open borders. you don't oppose it? then you're an open borders "fascist". or "capitalist", if you prefer. but what'st he difference, when 1 is used to protect the other?
>>537874144You're correct, except that immigration is meant to put non-Whites in places where White women and faggot White men will breed with them. It is 100% a race war. Economics and debt tyranny is just part of the mechanism designed precisely to reduce the likelihood that intelligent people (White people) will reproduce (product offspring with their own kind exclusively).>>537874239You're not White no matter how much you claim to be. You are a faggot and likely a kike. You will be the one being filled with hot lead along with your beloved Antichrist and other faggots that worship the antichrist and promote his judeo-communist and judeo-Christian cargo cult nonsense. We've known for decades what's up, and we've only been using the time to alert more of our race who's who — and who's "jew". Your time is even shorter now than it was before, which is why you are so angry. >>537874425Yeah, no one is falling for your idiotic straw man. No White man in his right mind is in favor of non-white immigration, judeo-communist policies, or judeo-capitalism. You probably cannot comprehend this because you're a kike.>>537875670You're not fooling anyone, except perhaps your fellow 13-year-old edgies and other people that were not "abused" (disciplined) properly while growing up. Well lucky for you, in this reality, the disciplining will happen anyway, and it's up to you to respond properly before all options aside from being put in the ground are exhausted.
>>537884723>communism is your only answerYet there is no one that can explain it beyond the level of a 5 year old repeating their favorite lines from cartoons.>Muh means of productionsIs whatever looks shiny that day. You can't disprove this in anyway.
>>537884773its just boring the way you guys will perpetually continue to doubledown on the most obviously fake bullshit. no matter how much times its BTFOd by your political opposition. kinda pathetic, ultimately, becuz its like you don't have anything real to make your platform.like me:>ending immigration.>universal healthcare.>universal education.>universal home ownership.>universal end to property taxation.damn. i mean, these are pretty good deals. im beginning to understand why you just repeat yourselves with your pointless mundane diversions.PS: "bourgeois" is never going to mean "middle class" no matter how much you try to force the meme.
>>537885019Communists themselves defined bourgeoisie as middle class. It cannot be anything else.Does marx support owning a means of production?
>>537884913No middle ground or nuance? Like me running a concrete company with 18 white employees. That’s capitalism. How the fuck do I need open borders? Have you seen a jeet? They’re all 5’6 and got that fat and skinny at the same time thing going on. You know? Like womanly, but Kinna chubby. I don’t know how to explain it. Like a 125lbs girl who’s had like 5 kids who eats a little too much bread if that makes sense
>>537884999>You're correct, except that immigration is meant to put non-Whites in places where White women and faggot White men will breed with them. It is 100% a race war. Economics and debt tyranny is just part of the mechanism designed precisely to reduce the likelihood that intelligent people (White people) will reproduce (product offspring with their own kind exclusively).no. this is rhetoric you post in order to protect the open borders establishment in the west. and the capitalist system which makes us rely on it. and this is how all right-wing rhetoric on immigration works:you pretend to be against it. but when you discuss it, you won't discuss or even acknowledge the real cause: which is capitalism. you want to pretend to be the "anti-immigration side", but when it comes down to it, and people begin discussing the cause of mass immigration, and how to fix it, you're the first one there throwing the monkey wrench in the plans, derailing it, throwing it off and mindfucking everyone who might be waking up to just what a mendacious prick you've been to them.and that's what your post here was: just a usual /pol/ flat attempt to defend open borders while pretending to be racist.
>make gov bigger with more ppl doing nothing to vote on comunists>more tax>less children>less votes>immigrants for 3 world, they vote for advantages and crime>crime, rape, taxes, corruption like BrazilYeah, capitalism loves more governament and more advantages for votes and corruption.Sure, the left party in the gov pf your shit hole are capitalists
>>537884913>the capitalist system requires open borders.You keep repeating this, yet have failed to show any logic let alone evidence to back it up. But then again you also admitted to being a tankie here >>537884862So you can't just stop pretending, everyone knows you are just a troon kike antifa failure.You can't do shit.
>>537885079you wouldn't have demand for your business if not for immigration. you know that. you're just doing what i described above >>537885155 and in many other posts: pretending to be anti-immigration and racist, while actually trying to promote open borders by ensuring no one can fix this problem if they don't know the cause.
>>537885208the economy is predicated on growth, without which all of our economic bubbles burst and collapse the economy overnight into another great depression. and immigration is most reliable means to find this growth.and its this way because of you fascists. and you won't admit it, becuz you're open borders capitalists who really want to keep these borders pried wide open, for your precious capitalism, while pretending to be racists in order to catch votes from whitey.
>>537885071FFS, dude, your post is just so fucking mindnumbing. who the fuck do you really believe will walk away from this post believing "bourgeois means the middle class, and those communists who are constantly preaching class solidarity, and war against the wealthy, are really after the middle class!"? i mean, who? who the fuck do you believe will fall for this bullshit? fucking no one. therefore, just drop it.
>>537885229I would nneeeeeeeeever work for a jeet. Eeeeevvvverrrr. Soon as I hear the accent I’m instantly booked for 2 years. Rule to anyone running a business, never work for a jeet
>>537885390there's no idiot dumb /pol/ you can write to undo the economic law of supply and demand. there is not. drop it. let it go. just admit, your bullshit BTFOd. you tried to pass off a few lines of /pol/ bullshit, sneak some propaganda passed me and confuse me, and it didnt happen. im an effective goalie. you don't need to double down now for a dozen posts...like the other idiots in this thread.
>>537885468>>537885390>there's no idiot dumb /pol/no idiot dumb /pol/ bullshit. or post. or comment. i dont know what i was planning on writing in there. but you get the idea. just dont waste your time. or mine.
>>537873290>well i've woken up.>i hope others do, too.>communism will win.Communism already "won" in many parts of western europe...Listen, first of all, you don't have "capitalism", you have "corporatism". Learn the difference. When governments bail out failing banks, it shifts toward corporatism, where large institutions and government are closely linked, also capitalism isn't supposed to have tons of regulations... Now, you can always argue that capitalism leads to corporatism (kinda like socialism innevitably leads to communism), but the point remains... Capitalism isn't your problem. Take my country for example..Spaniards are also commies and look what they have done with african immigrants, they regulated all of them.Furthermore, we're basically communists in denial. If you don't think we are, consider this: public spending in France averaged 54.16% of GDP between 1978 and 2025, reaching a record high of 61.7% of GDP in 2020. Not even the former USSR spent that much as a share of its economy. At some point, you have to stop pretending that's capitalism.The third-worlders who are currently invading us aren't even coming to France to work. About 70 to 80% come to France to live off subsidies paid for by the native population. they letting their families live on welfare, we're subsidizing 2 digit IQs third worlders. And we're doing that because we're commies. We're redistributing our wealth in the name of batshit insane, suicidal ideological concepts like "human rights," "anti-racism," "equality," and "diversity"—the usual Freemasonic, universalist lingo. We're part of the EU remember ? and what is the EU ? what's their end goal ? federalism. so ? destroy nation states, borders, identities. In our case, it's not even a question of importing cheap labor. We're importing the Third World. Many live on welfare; when they don't, they become drug traffickers, and only a small percentage of them actually work.
>>537885316So your saying that the massive government funded welfare expansion to cover the endless horses of shitskins is private capitalist?Where you dropped on your head as a kid or did you just eat the lead and mercury laced curry?
post is wrapping up. im prob gonna bounce motherfuckers.
>>537885388Anyone who pays attention to who communists are, what communists do, where communist propaganda comes from, and has a knowledge of history at least equivalent to a grade schooler.Does marx support owning a means of production?
>>537885388>who the fuck do you believe will fall for this bullshit?Anyone that has looked at the history of any communist movement.
>>537885543i responded to like this exact comment, and meme, earlier in the thread >>537878555: "wow. that's an interesting made-up quote which you posted. which has nothing to do with my quotes. or anything i posted. very interesting. very interesting, indeed. and your /pol/meme, which equally is as fake, and infamously is not corroborated by any of the links which it portends within it, also was very interesting."
>>537881996>and protect the working class.by killing it en masse?
>>537885518for crying out loud, another blatantly repeated premise. a retarded 1, as always: i'll repeat what i wrote above, as usual: >>537878893: ""capitalism" means the private ownership of the means of production. period. the end. you can drop your "we're not living in a capitalist country" grift, that you're trying to promote in order to mislead white people, under the false pretenses that you are racist, into voting for your open borders agenda."
Marx was right in his diagnosis, but wrong in his prescription
>>537885468I can’t even understand this dude are you ESL? Genuinely. Effective goalie? What translate program are you using
>>537885695And like Jesus he was suuuuuuper Jewish
>>537885694>>537885634>>537885548NOW im out.
>>537885634>Nu-uhI accept your concessions to the veracity of my statement due you total and complete lack of any form of coherent arguments for or against.Now run along and make yourself a good commie by KYS.
>>537885694captialism also means M->C->M' and M->M' i.e the use of money to generate more money. a fully realized communist society doesn't have money according to Marx
>>537885738>I got ass blasted over my bullshit arguments, now I'm leaving FifyRemember the hard points needs to be able to hold at least 5k lbs for it to work to KYS. Best of luck maybe you won't be a failure at your final endeavor.
Increase immigration = Less TourismLess tourism = Less CapitalismPeople are rather going to Poland to watch plumbers instead of going to France to eat tika masala and attend islamic prayers, the change has been like night and day in just 10 years
>>537885694>"we're not living in a capitalist country" grift, that you're trying to promote in order to mislead white people, under the false pretenses that you are racist, into voting for your open borders agenda."You don't know what capitalism actually is. We don't have capitalism in my country, we have some hybrid, absurd, dystopian system with commie economics... It's very simple. Capitalism (in its basic theoretical form) doesn’t involve:1 - Government bailouts of failing private companies2 - State picking specific companies as “winners” or “losers”3 - Rules or regulations designed mainly to protect large incumbent firms from competition4 - Subsidies or special advantages that distort normal market competition5 - Barriers to entry (licenses, compliance systems, etc.) that effectively block new competitors for the benefit of established firmsIn theory, capitalism is about private ownership and competition, where firms succeed or fail mainly based on market forces rather than state support or protection.
>>537885155This sounds suspiciously like AI generated text. The reasoning usually present in mankind is entirely lacking. Most women do not even fail at addressing the reality of the situation this poorly.
>>537886271Communism is a cult. That is not AI, it is rigid dogma. The commie you are commie you are talking to is a self admitted tankie, so it is one of the most dogmatic and unhinged sects of communism.
