>Huawei, SMIC, YMTC, and CXMT all rely on existing ASML DUV machines>The new MATCH ACT(H.R.8170) would bar the servicing and maintenance of these machines in China, effectively making them unrenewable>All chinese chips manufacturing including DDR5 will be severely limited and likely become completely dead soon
>>537888537>Memeflag>Dumb as rocks opinion>Screenshot of headlineThis is a reaction to the USA noticing that China has a functional EUV in the country. The US doesn't believe that the country who built the most advanced space station entirely domestically could possibly build an EUV, and instead is accusing ASML of smuggling this titanic fucking machine to China. Nevermind the fact that all the parts for the machine are made in China in the first place.
>>537888537>Let's teach China every single pain point in their supply chain so they can be fully self sufficient Our policy makers are very stable genuises
>>537889360Well, God chose them after all.
Can we squeeze China so hard that they nationally turn to cannibalism? I feel like this should be more attune to the Elite's agenda to appease Moloch..
>>537889298It was all the Jews who ran ASML who hired Chinks during the DEI and pre-DEI eras, because Jews hated White people that much. The Chinese probably lifted all that tribal knowledge right out of the ASML factories. One issue of many is that the DUV light sources all phone home, but perhaps the Chinks have reverse-engineered a method to keep them working. Though it is possible that the Europeans sent one to China during one of their stupid Ukraine-related quarrels with the U.S.
>>537889559Why are Jews in such a hurry to send Goyim to die in a war against China? Is it because Jews tried to double-cross American to run into China's arms, but they got played?
>>537888537Based fellow Jews we won
>>537889999I'm not sure where you're going to get all those Goyim willing to fight for Jewish pedophiles. Do you think you're just going to drone strike the world from Israel or Ohio?
>>537889927>The Chinese probably lifted all that tribal knowledge right out of the ASML factories.>perhaps the Chinks have reverse-engineeredI'm not talking about chinks operating the machine. It has always been the case that the parts were made in China. While they have to reverse-engineer the machine in total, all of its parts are of Chinese make. They aren't reverse-engineering it, they're engineering it. No differently from how China is at the forefront of space construction and fusion energy and highspeed rail and MagLev and fission construction and hypersonic manufacturing. While it's true that Chinese intelligence has BTFO the west and basically has access to any knowledge the West does, I think you're retarded for not noticing that the Chinese frequently engineer things on their own. You're completely underestimating the country whose economy has dominated for all of history except 1 (one) century.
China bided their time until they were ready to overthrow globohomo jewry. always cunning, those orientals.
>>537889989Just look at every country the Jews sick the US on, what do they have in common? Jews are not in control of said society
>>537888537>ASMLNetherlands is about to ban US as they need China.
>>537888537All they have to do is pay some retired or soon to be retired engineers a few million bucks and they’ll have the whole maintenance pipeline running in under a year.China realized the actual benefits and advantages of globalist capitalism very quickly and employ them to its advantage. The west is stuck chasing quarterly shareholder approval for earnings numbers.Pathetic
>>537890498Trump will just twist their nipples to make them comply. Personally I just want gas prices to go down and consumer PC parts to become affordable again.
How can the US legislate what a Dutch company can do?
>>537889298The crazy part is that ASML isn’t even an American company.Euroniggers (and east Asianniggers) need to grow a fucking pair. Neither Russia nor China are enemies. The US taking over their resources and tech is.
>>537888537you do realize the real story here is that China managed to somehow bring a full machine over to reverse engineer? This is trying to the genie back in the bottle
>>537892167Russia and china are enemies, Taro Nakamura from Sendai oblast.
>>537892306They tried to reverse engineer a machine and broke it instead. They called the dutch over to fix it and the dutch discovered china tried to reverse engineer it and broke the seals within the machine.
>>537892306No worries. tech will keep improving, chinese brain don't
>>537888537>free market and competition: capitalism always wins>china : *exists*>NO NOT LIKE THIS HEALTHY COMPETITION IS ONLY WHEN WE WIN
>>537892716Government funded market dumping to destroy competitors is not healthy competition.
>>537888537Lmao i guess they forgot to ask someone before making chips
>>537890116>they're engineering it.no, they are building it. if they were engineering it, they could build millions of them in quick order
>>537892795chinks don't know the difference due to massive brainwashing.
>>537888537But why can China make there own chip fabs Hmm
>>537888537NUMBER 11 CRASH AND BURNCHINKS ON SUICIDE WATCHhttp://www.google.com/search?q=china+collapse
>>537893772>if they were engineering it, they could build millions of them in quick orderNo one can do that. Following your definition, the machine has never been engineered at all. Do a backflip off a bridge.
>>537888537>mutts want to tell what Chinese companies can do withEuropean machinerycan we just nuke the muttland already?
>>537892795>Government funded market dumpingThe brilliance of this phrase is that the definitions of "Government funded" and "Market dumping" can both be adjusted as needed to explain why literally any behavior is or isn't good, proper capitalism. China is winning by not being Capitalist. Americans are losing by letting Capitalists loot them. If Americans stopped letting hostile foreigners extract resources from them by virtue of being wealthy.
>>537892306>China managed to somehow bring a full machine over to reverse engineerThis is a US accusation that's completely unfounded. If one of these machines had been moved while assembled without alerting anyone, the people who pulled off the logistical and engineering feat of moving it would earn a nobel prize.
>>537889360Now that USA has been browned enough to become unstable, they're trying to turn China into their next golem. Makes me wonder how they intend to take control of China when its internal politics don't follow the same democratic rules that the west does
>>537890498Remember when the Dutch nationalized some Chinese chip maker's offices? There's already a precedent of them doing whatever the fuck USA tells them to do. If Trump says to bark they will bark, no questions asked
>>537889298>>537892167>>537892716>>537890675>>537890172>>537889989Holy shit, look at all these chinksect shill posts.Every single one of you yellow rats deserve to be tortured to death.
>>537888537It hasn't even passed so who cares
>>537896044>Americans are losing by letting Capitalists loot themits unbelievable to me that people don't see and accept this as fact. absolutely wild.
>>537889927These machines are so vastly complex that you can't reverse engineer them as parts used aren't easy to manufacture and many parts will break if you try to disassemble them.People who say these machines can be reverse engineered have ZERO experience with them. ASML themselves have stated this when asked if the DUV machines in China were at risk.
>>537891966because asml isn't a dutch company, it's a multi national company, comprising mostly of us companies. the technology is ours, we invented it, we manufacture most of the critical parts, you germans manufacture some of the mirrors. the dutch manufacture some stuff too, but mostly their role is to assemble it
>>537890116The parts aren't made in china you stupid chink.
>>537888537without zeiss we wouldnt be where we are. these brands exist for millennia. >>537889298whatever will be done with asml units is our choice.anglo idiots cant into fine mechanics. you should be numba two, like you deserve it. when youre just an idiot, why demand so much.disgusting people. with them its just a bunch of niggers that ruin everything.
>>537888537What is the angle of Trump and his cronies to profit from this? All his actions are done for personal gain, none have improved the life of average Americans so far.
look how fat and undisciplined they all are and are so proud of it. only a bunch of idiots does this. the world is tired of anglos, niggers and women.
>>537890116china didn't dominate shit, they were subuhmans then, you are subhumans now. the only reason you subhumans are relevant is because the usa opened its market to you. that's it. you're cheating niggers that manufacture cheap junk that can only be done because you have an excess of defacto slave labor and artificially lower the value of the yuan making chinese imports cheaper. this shitty economy can't function as china allegedly grows more advanced and has to become a consumer economy, which it hasn't done and won't do and it will collapse the country. you're fucked, chang and going in the concentration camp
>>537888537Go look at all the input to these machines. The rare metals refined. The raw materials for the wafers. If you go down the raw material chain for all the advanced processes. China always turns up with near 90% share of the market. And those stuff isn’t built in a few years if you want to home shore. If the US want a war on this with China. Fair enough. But if they pull down the shutters in a trade war. They could close Jap, Kor, US, EU tech auto and other sectors in weeks.
thats a good job on them, now theyre the main enemy of humankind together with the women and niggers. good job you fuking useless idiots.
>>537896849zeiss is increasingly irrelevant. asml gets its mirrors from other companies too and the usa is quietly phasing germany out. you were as relevant as we let you be, never forget that, goyman. you back stabbed us for the last time, now your economy is over
just be quiet when your mindset is that the entire world belongs to you but youre just a random idiot, then youre the problem.until you fixed you yourself, there wont be anything else to come only shit.
>>537888537I'm willing to completely cut amerisrael out of my life if possible and buy direct from china. China can clearly produce products of varying quality and price. The challenge for them is everything else, customer service, shipping, warehousing, delivery, warranty, marketplace, payment systems, quality control, operating systems. Set shit up for western markets. We want the products, make it happen
random anglo idiots are a big problem were having. you guys overestimate yourselves so god damn hard all the time that it hurts.now you summoned up this hormuz shit and were going to get fuked with the oil prize again. very good you stupid shits with your drumpf. you fuking idiots. cant you just vote in another obama.
>>537891966The former Dutch PM.
>>537890116None of the parts on an EUV machine made by ASML are made in China. Literally none.Why would China make all the parts for an EUV machine, ship them to Europe and then be unable to make their own? Your logic makes no fucking sense. They make every single part of the machine but can't make the machine? The fuck you coping about chang?
Chinese eat dogs. Men's best friends. They are behaving like animals and not humans. They need to be dealt with by civilised men.
>>537888537> let's weaponise ASMLGee willy, what could go wrong?
it will never work out. were principled and youre not. you dont care that youre where you dont belong.as long as you can lead the rest down the cliff its all good for you, anglo.
>>537897203ASML exist because they have a license from America to make EUV machines. You seem to forget, the technology was invented in America, and they licensed it out. That license can be revoked at any time and then ASML simply stops existing.Another thing you people don't seem to understand is ASML only make part of each EUV machine. Half of it is made in America. Specifically America makes the part that is responsible for positioning things on a nanometer scale.
you have to deliberately pick right but you always pick wrong and youre so proud of it. now everything is shit and you cry.youre useless, anglo.
when you need to be forced to do the right thing, YOURE USELESS:
youre just like women and niggers and you ruin everything over this, you stupid anglo shits. just be quiet. your avg iqs are in the toilet, youre literal monkeys. this is all so fuvked.
>>537888537>US blocks china>China smuggles in the real and latest EUV tech>China sells to every country anywaythe US blocking specific Nvidia GPUs didn't stop them from magically vanishing out of the factory
you cant ever be fuking quiet and nothing comes off it but hot air. youre useless, anglo.
The dutch government will back ASML and provide them banking services. If the US tries to play hardball ASML can stop supplying maintenance and parts to US chip foundries.
youre supposed to deliberately fix it when you see that you fuvked everything up. what are you stupid donkeys thinking.
they want help from everyone because now they think the jews own them. you will always be owned by jews because youre stupid monkeys.
>>537897422stop talking
US isn't involved in computer manufacturing at any point in the chain.
>>537897394>cant ever be fuking quietAnglos are free men who have free speech and can talk about whatever they want, whenever they want and wherever they want. Try pulling that shit in China and see what happens.
youre so dumb that you dont understand that this is beyond your reach. the gap in intelligence is so big like the gap between monkeys and humans.youre the monkey and you cant cope with this. you can never make the right choice, monkey. you need me to take you by the hand, you useless shit.
>>537897386Kind of hard to smuggle an EUV machine. They're the size of a fucking warehouse and full of tracking technology. They literally wont work unless they can phone home.And it's not like just anyone can buy a billion dollar machine either. You got to be an authorized buyer. Which means realistically only Taiwan and South Korea can even buy them.There is a reason China still doesn't have this technology. They just haven't been able to steal it yet, despite spending hundreds of billions trying.
>>537892795like when the USA give infinite money to AI to buy all the ram and memory on the planey to build datacenters that will be obsolete by the time they plug it on the network?
youre all useless shits and you should just be quiet. instead you talk alot of shit, nothing comes off it and here we are you stupid retard.talk more shit.
>>537897475What's wrong sweaty
>>537889298>and instead is accusing ASML of smuggling this titanic fucking machine to Chinawhy smuggling? That's the part who doesn't make any sense. ASML EUV machines are for sale to any customer ready to shell you $400M for one. They happily sell to chinese customers, where is the issue here? Why do muttjews media keep playing it as if it was some kind of betrayal or whatever? ASML isn't an USrael company, they sell to whoever they want to. It is a private companies who'se goal is to generate revenues, and to achieve this goal they uuuhhh.. sell the machines they produce to people who have monies. What's hard to understand here for amerimutt journakikes?
>>537897555>German poster>shit fixated
>>537897502but that's wrong, what do you gain out of deluding yourself? just cope for being an irrelevant shit hole country that will never produce anything worthwhile because you're a loser people and dregs of europe that couldn't hack it in america?
>>537897612This is wrong. Even if you can afford it, they wont sell you the machine. Only a list of approved semi conducter manufacturers can buy EUV machines from ASML. Basically that entire list is TSMC, Intel and Samsung. That is it, only these 3 entites can buy the machines.
>>537897588asml isn't a dutch company, it's a multi national company that consists of mostly american companies. it's more accurate to call it an american company. we also manufacture the majority of the critical parts and chemicals exclusively. it's our technology, we invented it
>>537889360Ikr? Two more weeks till huawei make their own chips which will compete with iphone!
>>537897676Just yesterday i was watching an hour long vid explaining how the machine works and in it you have the CEO saying what i just said literally word for word....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiUHjLxm3V0
>>537897681That's wrong lmao. If ASML was just about assembling critical part the US would have had one. Oh and the critical parts are made by european companies in europe like zeiss
>>537897815America literally makes half of every EUV machine though. They also make all the parts that go into that part of the machine.
>>537897681You are full of shit, you don't have EUV machines able to create 60,000 micro A1 supernovas every second.Just like you don't have hypersonic missiles. Something even irannies have lol.
>>537897815no, it's not wrong, you are wrong. you are delusional. zeiss manufactures the optics, that's it. i really don't understand what's the cause of your delusion and ignorance. you europeans really aren't as special or important as you think, actually that's why we're phasing out your entire continent. you're irrelevant parasites
>>537897909You are irrelevant too. Chinks are laughing at your corrupt, jewed medieval ass.
>>537897878you're literally a 70 iq shitskin
>>537897681Cope harder you pathetic faggotIf they were American the government could just order them to stop or send the FBI to the offics to arrest whoever supplied shit to China>b-b-bu we invented chipsTough shit migger
>>537897987ahh, you're a low iq tranny. it's not a debate, it's a fact. why don't you just kill yourself already you faggot loser? you're stupid as fuck, probably a virgin, just kill yourself
>>537898068That's all you can come up with? Are you crying now?
>>537897969>You are irrelevant too.Last time I checked the USA was still a global superpower that can project itself globally. While French got their asses handed to them by towel-heads in bumfuck Africa. Know you place you frog eater.
>>537898112just kill yourself, loser. everyone you know hates you, you insufferable faggot. just kill yourself. all you have is your reddit account
>>537898138he's dumb. Not only the US are miles ahead of anyone in terms of tech, but the fact that they can forbid asml to sell to the chinks shows how powerful they really are.
>>537898138>While French got their asses handed to them by towel-headsDidn't you just surrender to a bunch of towelheads in the ME and even shelled out an extra 300 billis to please them lol? you really shouldn't throw rocks looking at the absolute state of your glasshouse
sure enough a "french" flag is posting in russian government shill thread /chug/. likely this "french" flag is a russianrussia lost btw, russia is an international embarrassment. no one respects or fears russia. russia is a huge joke and the russian people are hated everywhere
>>537898155But I don't have a reddit account and never haveI'm a little worried anon, you're really sperging outGood thing I'm sitting here vibecoding with my Chinese high performance models and don't have to give a fuck about what your or Uncle Sam think, faggot.
>>537898562Good tag anon
>>537899114you're massive douche bag, i knew i was right how everyone hates you
>>537899114>Good thing I'm sitting here vibecoding with my Chinese high performance models and don't have to give a fuck about what your or Uncle Sam think, faggot.Chink promoting Commie spyware detected.
>>537899203Dry your tears, it's really not worth hurting yourself over>>537899845Afraid not. I just like paying less than 5% of the price US AI companies are charging to justify their insane balance sheets.
>>537888537This is going to backfire so hard, it will put china in the position were they are going to actually support open ai without controls on a massive scale simply because creating a consumer market of hardware for autists in the west means they can then smuggle parts back there.Also open models are not that behind already from anthropic or open ai in fact they are probably more advanced than google public models.>>537889298I doubt it if they had they would not be releasing these meme stories of muh eu v breakthrough every 6 months.That said they probably could deploy asap something to mass produced 2010 tier chips, and combined with coal power on mass scale they could probably compete with western ai hence why this game is retarded, tough i understand why burgers may want to contain this.At the end of the day AI means the end of the post bretton woods meme era of service economy in the west and deindustrialization to china as no nation will allow even it's service economy by outsourced to a datacenter in shangai it's the thing that forces the entire system to reform.But the usa won't reindustrialize by keeping minimum wage at same levels as 2006 for decades part of reindustrialization is that your workers wages must go up to keep economies of scale of basic goods like steel, the usa currently wants national socialist roosveltian industrialization while also having neoliberal labor systems and wage deflation.It does not work like that it's why us companies are closing civilian supply chines like ram and redirecting to gov contract ones as percentage of gdp being gov spending keeps growing, ironically this accelerates deindustrialization rates hence why you see shit like old steel mills being turned into datacenters.Also it does not solve the triffin dilemma in the first place which is the cause of these trade unbalances in the first place.
>>537898138>Last time I checked the USA was still a global superpower that can project itself globally.pool status?
>>537900210OK. Sorry for calling you a Communist.
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>>537896579This, there isn’t one person on the planet who knows how these machines exactly work it’s to complex and even if you reverse engineer it by some miracle you still will be 20 years behind the new ASML machines the procces of engineering and the time it takes can not be cheated even if you are gonna try to build them on a large scale with diffrent teams it will not work
>>537900918I do agree we're well past the limits of individual human understanding. I'm pretty sure a company like ASML has to run giant private LLMs that 'know' all the technical data from multiple different perspective to hedge against the risk of engineers dying in accidents or from weird diseases or having their cellphones get exploded by freedom-loving CIA agents
