>Destroys the Theory of Evolution
>>537917166elaborate
>>537917166Evolution is fake and gay
>>537917235>this plant randomly decides to have get its nutrients from flies instead of the soil because somehow it knows it can do that right, it magically knows that flies are nutritious>this is totally just random and not a magnificent work of a creator
>>537917166 Bryers are the same thing, they entrap furry animals only, fertilizing the soil with their body. It couldn't have evolved before large furry mammals, yet here it is without previous ancestors in the fossil record.
>>537917396>a puddle examines the countours of its hole, perfectly carved out for it to inhabit>this must be the work of an intelligent creator
>>537917546Why are you so against the idea of a creator?There had better be a creator because that would be far more interesting than this modern fake and gay dogma created by science.
>>537917166You want something what is destroying theory of evolution?Check for bats.No one, never shown any transitional fossil between bats and other mammals.No one knows how bats evolved flight.
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>>537917166> Over time, ancestral Droseraceae plants developed glandular hairs that secreted sticky mucilage to trap insects. In Venus flytraps, these features became more specialized, evolving into hinged trap lobes with sensitive trigger hairs. This adaptation allows rapid closure upon prey contact, providing an efficient mechanism for capturing insects.Also there is evidence of evolution all around. Like the hundreds of new dog breeds that are a result of selective breeding.
>>537917396why do you assume that we know how plant life works? we don't even know where our own consciousness comes from.
>>537917649Because YHWH is laughable kike bronze age god
>>537917649>you NEED to subscribe to my skydaddy fantasy, goy!>How else can I justify my cheating and murdering if I cant convince you it's at the behest of an infallible, invisible entitySorry, not interested
>>537917396you don't know how natural selection works
>>537917845I fucking hate hyeanas.
>>537917396I'm not against the idea of a creator, but your theory is retarded. If anything, the creator wrote the basic rules of life but it developed on its own.
>>537917297AMEN AND A-WOMEN
>>537917845God is a fucking cunt.Fuck Job, the first kike raped slave.
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>>537917396>All other plants knows flys are excellent pollinators and are reliant on insects for their own existence... For millions of years. Wwwwooowww you notice a lot, doncha. More likely the sticky flowers trapped some mofo n had a mutation that made some part digestive in a way that turns them into nutrients(not difficult, just soak in water, just like their roots absorbing from decomposition.Once you have one protein eating plant, it's not unthiniable there could become many. Plants can sprout roots in many places, not crazy at all. Mushrooms can do the same/even crazier shit.
>>537918155Fucking cats.
>>537917396this plant is only native to the Carolinas in the USA. it thrives in one specific swampy climate. nutrients generally aren't in the swampy environment that it is native to, so it evolved to get them from elsewhere. also, there are many other carnivorous plants (very fascinating plants to read about) that live around the world and have different methods of attracting and "eating" prey.there is no creator needed to explain this stuff.
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>>537917166evolution does not bother me
>>537918155why didn't the birds help
>>537917845>>537918086to test us
>>537917396>this plant randomly decides to have get its nutrients from flies instead of the soilCarnivorous plants developed their traps due to living in conditions with nutrient poor soilFun fact: if you put a carnivorous plant in a pot with nutrient rich soil, it will flourish but all of its traps will fall off and no new traps will grow, as they are no longer necessaryIt wasn't a plant "randomly" deciding to get its nutrients from surrounding fauna, it was a trait developed for survival>>537917730>If you don't have literally every answer to every question it means I'm right because I can just say "God did it"
>>537918021>why was circumcision implementedseveral reasonsfor one, it was to remind them not to be degenerates (fags, race mixers, etc)>"If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell."- Matthew 5:29-30but mostly, it was a sacrifice. an acknowledgement of god's authority since he is the creator of the world, he can even order abraham to take away the life of his firstborn son, isaac>"All that open the womb are Mine, and every male firstborn among your livestock, whether ox or sheep. But the firstborn of a donkey you shall redeem with a lamb. And if you will not redeem him, then you shall break his neck. All the firstborn of your sons you shall redeem. And none shall appear before Me empty-handed."- Exodus 34:19-20let alone a circumcisionbut that was in accordance to the old lawwith animal sacrifices at the temple, etcgod established a new covenant, through the death and resurrection of jesus, the messiah a sacrifice of the firstborn son of god>"Abraham looked around and saw a ram caught in a bush by its horns. He went and got it and offered it as a burnt offering instead of his son."- Genesis 22:13>"The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ."- Galatians 3:16so now we no longer have to keep circumcision physically, but mentally >"Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation."- Galatians 6:15>"Circumcise your hearts, therefore, and do not be stiff-necked any longer."- Deuteronomy 10:16
>>537918078Sometimes I agree with this Jew here, God could be a programmer/coder for all we know, some dude that likes autonomous simulations that effect each other.alot of people loves "the sims" games, and the ones that don't, seem to like caves of qud. Basic bitch simulations you basically just watch play out/fuck around with when bored. "Holup my Ange's, watch dis mininova lmao they gon freak th fuck out"
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>>537918085God disapproves of race-mixing.>"Beware of all whoredom, my son, and chiefly take a wife of the seed of thy fathers, and take not a strange woman to wife, which is not of thy father’s tribe [...]"- Tobit 4:12>"Ye have transgressed, and have taken strange wives, [...] do the Lord's bidding: and separate yourselves from the people of the land, and from your strange wives." - Ezra 10:10-11>"In those days also saw I Jews that had married [foreign] wives [...] and could not even speak in the Jews' language [...] And I contended with them, and cursed them, and smote certain of them, and plucked off their hair, and made them swear by God, saying, Ye shall not give your daughters unto their sons, nor take their daughters unto your sons, or for yourselves. Did not Solomon king of Israel sin by these things? [...] Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives?" - Nehemiah 13:23-27>"Or else, if indeed you do go back, and cling to the remnant of these nations—these that remain among you—and make marriages with them, and go in to them and they to you, know for certain that the Lord your God will no longer drive out these nations from before you. But they shall be snares and traps to you, and scourges on your sides and thorns in your eyes, until you perish from this good land which the Lord your God has given you."- Joshua 23:12-13- https://rentry.org/Deus_Vult_XP
>>537917396>I can't understand it, therefore GAWDpajeet-tier intelligence
>>537918373>>537918494>“The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, The leopard shall lie down with the young goat, The calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little child shall lead them."- Isaiah 11:6
>>537917649spoken like a real narcissistic faggot
>>537918463I'm not saying "God made bats" maybe aliens did that, idk, I'm trying to give OP good arguments.No one knows any transitional forms between bat and any other ratkin or something, like between fish and walking animals, or walking animals and whales, or dinosaurs and chickens.You can even ask bat specialists.
>>537918575the scientists in you science books are christian
>>537918420>>537918449>>537918478>>537918528Fuck off spammy tranny
>>537917166>>537917396Failure to Understand the Concept of Teleological Progression: The Post
>>537918358How exactly would a plant "evolve" to grow fly traps? Actually think about it for a moment; when it comes to evolution it's not going to have a fully working trap in one generation is it?
>>537918478>for one, it was to remind them not to be degenerates (fags, race mixers, etc)funny
>>537917396For fuck's sake mate you're making us look bad
>>537918727naa man, the invisible magical sky man made it that way so your faggot ass could argue with internet randos about your obsession with a non-entity. unironically kys
>>537917649>>537918022Its because hes under 6'0" or gay Mo one chooses cringe atheism. It chooses them.
>>537918665>science founders>science fathersits really sad to see what believing in invisible magicians does to a person
>>537918805Charles Darwin came from a family of freemasons. You think they're telling us the truth?
>>537918836How's the weather down there short stack?
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>>537918665>the only goys allowed to do science at that time were sanctioned by the churchwoah, you sure got me there neopuritan
>>537917396magic man magics himself into existence and magically creates everything makes much more sense
>>537918645But that's not a good argumentIt's predicated on the false notion that we know absolutely everything there is to know about the evolutionary process and it's impossible that we will ever learn anything new"You don't have the answer to every single question, that means I win by default" is a lazy bullshit cop out
>>537918894>t. believe in kabbalist magician science
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>>537917166My favorite one is rattlesnake.
>>537918974Yes
>>537918924the weather is fine and your mom told me you need to wear your helmet when you go outside again
>>537919082This make evolutionists piss and shit themselves.
>>537918034/mlb/ my little bony.
>>537919075nature is red in tooth and claw, it's a fucking slaughterhouse out there and that is why childish men need the magical sky man because otherwise they'd have to admit that they might actually not be so special after all
>>537918449See I don't like this to test us bullshit. If you said to make us strong cunts I'd be all game for the christ shit. Also fucking kek I just read the pic and saw it was edited.I'm ok with a fucking metal planet if it's to make us strong cunt like god who is a strong cunt. But christ shit is mostly about being a weak and gay cunt. I'm surprised they don't like homosexuals cause it's a very gay cunt religion.The TL;DR is I take a very greeco-roman approach which is that I should be a great man and if god doesn't like that cause he's a womanly cunt then the bloody fuckin cunt can bugger off.Simple as my goyigger.
>>537918034Does anyone know how many bikes are in his garage?>>537918085>man's ideas fit with theory of evolutionWhat is wrong here science xister?
>>537917546Thats very taoist
>>537919016We can pretend that Bats evolution is connected with Dark Matter and Black Holes.Also no one knows how it is working or if its even real or it is just another scientific™ bullshit to describe reality.
>>537917396>a magnificent work of a creatorLike childhood leukemia?
>>537919054ok goy
>>537919283>"Then some soldiers asked him, “And what should we do?” He replied, “Don’t extort money and don’t accuse people falsely— be content with your pay.”"- Luke 3:14they were not told to resign or turn in their swords/guns. they were not told to turn the other cheek on the criminals>"For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil."- Romans 13:4christian cops are to protect other christians.both from those who would wrong them physically:>"But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea."- Matthew 18:6as well as spiritually:>"When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers’ money and overturned the tables."- John 2:15not to mention the vision of St. Constantine, XP, "in this sign conquer"- https://christianhistoryinstitute.org/study/module/constantine/>"Praise the LORD, who is my rock. He trains my hands for war and gives my fingers skill for battle."- Psalm 144:1
>>537919168... 5'9" im guessing.
>>537918478>Ai artROFL
>>537919433>"jews are god's chosen people"- "The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say, “and to seeds,” meaning many, but “and to your seed,” meaning One, who is Christ."- Galatians 3:16- "Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, and do not think to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones."- Matthew 3:8-9>"you worship the same judeo-christian god"- "Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also."- 1 John 2:23>"then what god do jews worship?"- "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it."- John 8:44- "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."- Revelation 3:9>"c'mon man, that was just those jews that killed jesus, not all jews for all time"- "And all the people answered and said, “His blood be on us and on our children.”"- Matthew 27:25>"bless israel!"israel is the church, not a blaspheming republic- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKlT-hhZXoM&t=658s
>>537919082rattlesnakes are evolving to not rattle because it alerts the faggot humans who kill them
>>537919514>bible quotinglmao, not reading your goyslop
>>537919433>modern jews are the real people of god>jesus was a failed jewish messiah>he wasn't whiteyou're preaching judaism
>>537919075>>537919267It really is a cunt of a world y'know.Either you're a cow living a shit life in a factory farm and then you fucking die instantly (unless you're a jooish or moozloom coow). Or you live like god intended and die like that webm with ya guts out.And mind you the edict from god to the joos was to make the cows death even worse. Make that poor cunt suffer even more and then cut off your dick like a tranny.God is a tranny cunt I tell ya. First tranny made adam as a dickless tranny too, then the cunt made cunts who of course cursed all of humanity and the planet itself forever.Eve was a fucking cunt and adam was a non-binary tranny who went post op. That's the bible and the origin of man according to the semitic race.
>>537919587majority of atheists and pagans are non-whitemajority of whites are christian
>>537919514Hey, cool it with the antisemitism, friend.
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>>537918894look at your ID lmao. one day you will wake up....maybe...
>>537919600>we wuz real jews n shietright, I forgot how /pol/ neopuritans are the REAL kikes
>>537917396its not random.evolution is the opposite of randomreacting to outer stimuli is not random
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>>537918727Hey, you should look up foliar feeding. Imagine a plant with leaves like a pineapple. They form kind of a natural cup that traps a bit of water. If an insect were to die in there, it's nutrients would become part of the water within, and be absorbed. Small changes in the plant's ability to retain water or absorb nutrients this way could result in a more successful plant.Regarding the flytrap method, flowers produce enticing substances to entice pollenators to visit, and many flowers close up at night. There are some leaves that close up at night (called nyctinasty) . Plant some starfruit seeds next time you eat one. Also, there are some plants whose leaves immediately close when you brush them. Maybe you played with touch-me-nots as a kid.Anyway, there are plenty of credible pathways to the behavior you see that aren't based upon "knowing" the final state of such a plant.
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>>537919827https://rumble.com/v470oeu-short-clip-digital-zoom-gavin-mcinnes-rage-quits-elijah-schaffer-nick-fuent.html
>>537919744A plant doesn't know that a fly has nutrients. As I said already it's not going to form a working trap in one generation and no plant is going to survive with a half working part.
>>537919587This literally isn't saying anything, it's just inverting the origin or people to claim they all have the same end but says nothing about their means. God the cunt still made some poor fuck a slave to get buck broken and another one a king to break bucks.
>>537917396The plants in that environment that didn't do that died so you don't see them anymore
>>537918575I can't understand it therefore evolution, multiverse, simulation theory, the list goes on
>>537919893reaction to stimuli has nothing to do with knowledgewhats with the low IQ brown-niggers on /pol/ lately?
>>537919971How would they ever procreate with undeveloped parts? They would die out before that happens and that goes for all kinds of evolution. Why would a fish suddenly start breathing? But a fish that can partially breath isn't going to be a very good fish.
>>537917166When i was a little boy i used to throw an apple into the trash can and then close the lid once the mindless wasps came.They stung me often though.
>>537917649Because quantum mechanics say a creator can't exist retard. What creator allows particles to exist in a state of probability haze until they are observed and only then does that object become definite? Aren't things that are created supposed to be definite when created?
>>537919993No, actually its the complete opposite approach, its an attempt to understand whats happening instead of just defaulting to "muh super rabbi"
>>537919993It's bullshit. Evolution has never been observed to occur.
>>537920058flytraps reproduce through rhizome formation until they are about 7 years old. Then they produce flower and seed.
>>537917396Posts like this is why I left religion, religious people are really unintelligent on averageIts just embarrassing being associated with this level of absolute retardationIts time to put down the ancient jewish slop and pick up some European Science
>>537920142You literally are defaulting to "muh super rabbi" except instead of a rabbi it's a scientist.>science says that evolution is real so it must be true!>I'll take their word for it!This is the same science that tells us that men can be women mind you.
>>537919648>nuh uh>>537919993ah, I see, I'll pray to the super-kike in heaven then because he has all the answers
>>537919893Most carnivorous plants rely on more passive traps where a bug happens to get trapped in a pitcher or stuck to the leaves. These are very much "half working traps." Not just that, but they can still survive without the animal nutrients. The nutrients just provide a boost. That fact alone invalidates your entire argument.
>>537917546A conscious, observant, thinking puddle in our reality would certainly imply an intelligent creator of said puddle
>>537920211>Posts like this is why I left religion, religious people are really unintelligent on average>Its just embarrassing being associated with this level of absolute retardation>Its time to put down the ancient jewish slop and pick up some European Science
>>537920216No, its not because a scientist said it, its because it logically makes sense and we can observe it in the real worldIn your case it literally is because rabbis wrote it down, it must be true
>>537920211https://rumble.com/v70fnss-st.-pauls-cathedral-from-glorious-to-groveling.html
>>537920264>if your iq is above 95, you are le neckbeardlmao
>>537920274I have never observed evolution and I don't believe it.
>>537917396Leave the plants alone nigel
>>537920216>"you believe in science">the retard said while using technological science to push his narrativego live in the woods, biblethumper
>>537920320Why did God create neanderthals and all the other human subspecies?Why doesnt the bible talk about them?
>>537917649God created evolution though.He made the clock, wound it up and let it go.Every lightning strike isnt controlled by God. He created the environment and system that spawns lightning bolts.For every advantageous mutation that leads to an organism with a higher survivability rate there are 10 million mutations that were dead ends because they lowered that survival rate.A Venus flytrap didnt simply spring up from the seed of a daisy.It evolved over tens of thousands of generations from something like a pitcher plant.Humans have been around in our current form for 60,000-200,000 (depending on who you ask).Tyrannosaurus Rex roamed the earth for 5,000,000 years (as T-Rex, not the dinosaur that would evolve into T-Rex).Its parents species was around for millions of years before that.You cant compregend evolution because your feeble mind is incapable of grasping the absolute scale of time that evolution has to work with.Micro evolution becomes macro evolution after eons.
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>>537920376>Why did God create neanderthals and all the other human subspecies?He didn't. Those are all made-up. Dinosaurs are fake & gay too.
>>537917649a)i dont like to get cuckedb)i think of that more like a godly principle aka why is there something rather than nothing.
>>537918894Look at your ID, if that's not a sign from God, Idk what it is.
>>537920138The new space telescope disproved 50 years of sóyence, only because it had better sensors.In a year or two there will be a next breakthrough and whatever sóyence you use today for your anti- theism will be as outdated and insignificant as the theory of ether.
>>537920376Why did evolution create giga nigger retards who never left their continent, never invented the wheel, never made a boat, never made a fishing rod, gave them big lips, wide hips, dense bones and fat noses.
>>537918974But that is the truth bro
>>537920058A fish that can exit the water for even brief times has advantages. They have access to more prey. They can escape predators in the water. They can travel to adjacent waterways. A fish that can "breathe" in lower-quality water (marginally less aerated) has advantages. They can sustain themselves in an environment with less competition. Do you ever find the ability to hold your breath useful?
>>537918974>>537919117>>537920461That's how much of a gigachad god is you see. He can just magic himself into existence and magically create stuff.
>>537920433So this skull is fake?>>537920454Their environment didnt select for the features that made Europeans and Asians successful, its actually extremely simple, I think a better question is why a supposed God would do so
>>537920438The chaos permits all states or even demands that, maybe that is a cheap way out of this dilemma but that works for me.
>>537917396Does anyone else find creationism kind of comfy? It reminds me of youtube atheism, back before there was a youth right wing movement, back before Trump, before this place was infected with bots, back when "Is Jesus really God?" and "Should the Bible be interpreted literally" were these big open questions in my teenage mind. Back then it wasn't popular to see Christianity as just another form of Judaism, and you could glorify Nazis without being called a Glowie. This place had an identity. Now it's all so cynical.
>>537920525It just looks like a human skull but it has been known for many bones to be plaster recreations.
>>537920429I always notice with these grifters that they're completely unable to make good use of their intelligenceTheres never a good argument, its just, muh iq is high so what I say must be trueIt misses the point of what intelligence is useful for, being high iq doesnt give you the authority to make whatever you say correct, it just allows you to uncover what is true
>>537917730The fossil record is 1/100th of 1% of organisms that have existed.I dont know why idiots think that every animal thats existed can just be dug up.Its actually rare for animals to be fossilized. Larger animals and those with carapaces of some sort have a greater chance.A brontosaurus with a neck vertebrae the size of a Volkswagen stands a good chance if buried under the right condition.A mouse with bones the size of a toothpick has a poor chance even under ideal conditions.
>>537920138if you actually believe that shit and not that all this probability is because we're just too shit at measuring, there is no saving you.
>>537920587Obviously they're recreations, retard, bones are not just magically completely intact over hundreds of thousands of yearsWhat are you, fucking stupid?
>>537920597Isn't that the same argument you are making for evolution?>le (((high-iq scientists))) say evolution is real so it must be!The theory of relativity was literally created by an Ashkenazi Jew. Do you believe that shit?
>>537920150Well what about those english moths that turned black to hide better during the industrial revolution? They were white/gray to blend in with tree bark, but eventually all the trees got covered in soot, so the rare black ones stayed alive longer and got to be common.
>>537920663There has never been a fully real dinosaur skeleton.
>>537920668No, i never said that, everIn fact every time you've brought that up, I pushed backYou have no argument so you're just repeating yourself>science = le jewok go live in the forest and abandon modern life if its all made by jewsfucking retard
>>537917396I believe in god but I can see how evolution led here. Remember, the important thing is that mutations are random, and traits that pass are just a matter of “not so terrible it leads to the death of the offspring”. So even traits that can be considered negative can pass as long as the animal reproduces.>all plants get nutrients from things dying around it>random mutation for plant that moves>plant reproduces>random mutation of that plant for it to move when triggered>plant reproduces>random mutation for plant to move when triggered and the leaves close>plant reproduces>random mutation for plant to move when triggered, the leaves close, and it releases digestive fluid to break down organic matterand so on. It could have happened in any insane order to get here. Ultimately, it’s just random mutation > thing reproduces > natural selection makes it dominant
>>537920668>Isn't that the same argument you are making for evolution?No. The argument for evolution was never "trust me bro, I'm smart." Only creationists think this way.
>>537920730>ok go live in the forest and abandon modern life if its all made by jews>fucking retardkek, this.>science is le evil jew thing EXCEPT when it's convienent to meweak-ass bitch
>>537920525I mean we are like survival machines but in this little nook we have time for "god".Or maybe we just like to be kept busy like there is no true idle state only when we sleep.
>>537917396>the amount of seethe from fedora tippers because they fear GODAnons, best to accept it now.
>>537920707The fact that you expect there to just be fully intact fossils of creatures that lived millions of years ago shows how stupid you really are
>>537919815You're wasting your time here lol.Good reply though
>>537920707Because fossilization is actually a rare occurrence.Green bones are real, black are reproduction.>It was later determined that Sue was a record 90% complete by bulk,[13] and 73% complete counting the elements.[14] Of the 360 known T. rex bones, around 250 have been recovered
>>537920848I think that religion can be useful, but not semitic religion, its just far too encompassing and claims to know far too much about literally everythingIn the end, you run into some really big epistemological problems with the jewish framework
>>537917396>this plant started eating flies because the god in the bible did it
>>537920913Funny thing about Sue's skull. They have the real one. It's just in a different display.
I honestly don't get creationist. God is all powerful and infinitely greater than man will ever be and can create literally anything you can and cannot think of. Yet somehow this infinite, divine creator decided to create a world exactly as it is where nothing changes, has ever changed, nor ever will. Why can't God create a system of rules to allow for infinite possible variations while remaining bound within the rules set? Like physics or chemistry? And then biology and evolution are downstream from base material physics and chemical interactions.
>>537921032what? why? just put it with the rest of the stone skelly
>>537920880>>537920913Meanwhile you expect me to believe that this is evidence of a real thing that existed.
>>537921129So visitors can get a closer look at an intact T-rex skull.
>>537920969If there is no "god", then we are left with angels and devils and sometimes both.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSM3w1v-A_Y&list=RDZSM3w1v-A_Y&start_radio=1
>>537921108Also, I realized that God couldnt really be purely good if he created a world in which humans are essentially required to worship him or suffer eternal damnation, if he is also truly all powerful, he intentionally created humans that were destined from the beginning to reject him, in effect he chose to make the world horrible (for some reason), but he's definitely totally good though!Semitic religion is just arrogant and sloppy
>>537921129Probably some combination of stone is heavy and they don't want people to fuck with them. Easier to put plaster in a dinosaur shape and nobody will try to get a chip from the bone stones.
>>537920877nobody makes fun of you cultists because we're in "denial" or similar delusions, you're just genuinely pathetic and none of your arguments makes sense. when you jew worshippers quote the goy book it just sounds ridiculous. i know most "religious" people don't even believe that much, why do you insist that we're somehow scared specifically of YOUR made up stories. honestly it sounds like YOU are the insecure one. maybe deep down you know it's all nonsense hmmm?
>>537917396>animal dies on plant's leaves>a small amount of nutrient goo seeps in>plant survives better with the nutrient boost>random swelling of leaves, maybe originally a defensive trait, traps the goo better than static leaves>moving leaves that trap insects to turn them into goo develops
>>537921194Classic creationist retard: you insist on an absurd standard for proof that you do not apply to the things you believe.
>>537917166How does a plant even develop such a capability?I’ve always wondered what it takes for complex biological systems to emerge.Imagine sensory organs, like eyes. How did something like eyes ever come to be?What is the evolutionary pressure that shapes random material into a functional body part?
>>537918727https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuzLXxbGc4c&t=1s
>>537918494mean birb
>>537921194yeah some fairytales from barbaric desert tribes make for much stronger evidence lmao
>>537921244I think the eternal suffering is living apart from God, and that by following the laws set by God you live in harmony with him. Of course this is all very theoretical and I prefer to not worry about it until after I die. If God is truly good, and I believe him to be, then if I try to be my best self and do good He will reward me. Plus being a good person gives me the warm fuzzies.
>>537919075That cow shouldn't have said nigger.
>>537921370This has been explained countless times krautbro, it starts with the ability to sense light, a shadow could mean a predator so reacting to light stimuli is advantageous, from there it gets refined and eventually what we recognise as eyes emerge.Several animal eyes being superior to human eyes disprove the abrahamic nonsense.
>>537921496Imagine being such a daft cunt that you believe your absence is "eternal suffering". LMAO yhwh always comes off as a bratty bitch, is it because his wife Asherah had a bigger dick than him?
>>537921496The problem is the contradiction between "free will" and an all powerful creator who knows everythingHe created you in the exact particular way that leads you to reject him, and not only that, but God is responsible for all thingsThe semitic framework is just so all encompassing that it leads to self refutation by contradictionHow can an all powerful, all knowing God who created evil be inherently good in all capacities
Life is a self consuming biomass in the process to create its perfect and definitive iteration, maybe
>>537921213fair enough, it's true that looking at it from up close must be much better>>537921250some of the other bones looks heavy as fuck too
>>537919207It really doesn't. Flerfers and YECs are the most retarded fags around
Only retarded people think animals didn't evolve. What is a dog? A wolf humans literally evolved into a new species. How come single celled organisms evolve into multi-cellular in labs?
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>>537921656Creationism should qualify for disability
>>537921621The semitic framework makes no sense it's just a tool for kikes to always play the victim card while LARPing as superior and "le chosen ones". >yhwh totally gave people free will goy>yhwh totally wanted kikes to be free>yhwh wanted kikes to be free so much he removed free will from the pharaoh so he would keep the kikes enslavedOnly absolute retards fall for this shit.
>>537920895It's good practice. I'm part of a homeschooling crowd and people in the US homeschool for all kinds of reasons, quite a few of them religious. The rare arguments aren't angry or rude. It's usually someone who has zero interest in a subject repeating a snippet they heard elsewhere. They're typically pretty amenable if you're willing to explain patiently. Or maybe I've been lucky.
Yes the theory of evolution >it’s SCIENCE is the silliest religion. Those who propound it are a mixture of liars and dupes. It was completely disproven by real science at every single step besides being very silly to start with and now it is completely disproven by cutting edge science and by discovery which present the actual answers which replace “the silliest religion”. So, we know how life formed and was changed. And it wasn’t evolution.Also form is NOT determined by DNA or by genes which are both simple building blocks like skin cells or bricks with aerials attached. We know what determines form - electro magnetic impulses. The cardinals of the silliest religion had decided that DNA and genes would prove their religion to be true and indeed the very day that DNA was discovered the scientists involved went to a pub that same night telling anybody who would listen that they had solved and proven the means of creation. Which is funny because they were wrong. They had decided that there was nothing else to find and that they knew it all. Later on scientists mapped the human genome which was the biggest scientific research excercise ever undertaken. They had decided in advance that with their religion of making faces out of the wallpaper pattern being absolutely true that the more advanced a lifeform is then the more genes it would be found to have. When it was discovered that the likes of a bowl of rice, a water flea or a nematoad has more genes than a human they had the arrogance to dismiss the findings of the biggest scientific research project ever undertaken as >junk DNA(Cont.)
>>537917166I hate all non-Germanics.
>>537921456nature appears brutal to us because we know what happens but these birds (including the penguin) have no notion of it and are just going on their instincts. the penguin is likely in pain but it has no idea what death is and thus isn't afraid like we would be. i recall seeing a pic of a lion that had a dead monkey in it's mouth. the monkey still had it's baby on the back, just casually clinging to it's dead mom, not knowing what is going to happen next.so that is God according to the Christtards...
>>537921806Has that silly script ever worked on anyone who's not sub 80 IQ? I find it funny how christcucks want to label science a "religion" and use the fact it's a religion to mock it. LMAO
>>537919501your mom doesn't seem to mind so carry on your merry way little guy, remember, don't go outside without your helmet
Well today we can change a creatures species at the embryo stage from one species to another completely different species so fir example a bird to a cat, we can grow fully working organs like brains and eyes on species that should not have them, so say working eyes that a flatworm or tadpole can see with (so NOT like the abomination ‘earmouse’ you saw a few years ago which was just a surrogate) and evolution is finally put to bed as the silliest religion that it always was because cutting edge science achieved these results by ELECTRO MAGNETIC IMPULSES which are exactly like the solar ejections from stars like our sun. In short two other things strike me. Not only does solar ejection likely cause “species change” in nature and answer things like the disappearance of the dinosaurs but we are all actually made from star dust. Also in the final book of the bible the prophecy of how this ‘way of doing things’ this age ends it ends with solar flares. Everyone and everything is changed to become more like was intended at the beginning. Makes you think? It should do. You are welcome.
>>537919644settle down retard, it's not that complicated
>>537921894If you're in extreme danger your brain brings you to a room of white light and turns off your senses and fills you with feel good chemicals. You probably don't know you are dying and neither did the monkey
>>537918155>get born>die immediately
>>537917396It isnt "random" it was evolved from plants that already did this more indirectly, such as plants that trap things with their thorns, or sticky substance like the sundew, or trapping insects like the pitcher plant does https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocarnivorous_plant
>>537917972Dog breeds are suspect as fuck too because have the exact same issue as other forms of evolution used as evidence. Where are the actual new dog breeds, not just new "mixes". Where are animals actually evolving into something new/random and not just minor gene mediations like flies losing eyes when bred in the dark. They never get entirely new traits, just variations on old ones we help
>>537922123What is the benefit of this for survival, why would this trait still be with us? It makes no sense from an evolutionary perspective, and I'm saying this so that we don't diminish the brutality of nature. That is disrespectful. It's how life is and how people should know it, will prepare them better for adulthood than disney cuck movies ever will. Being eaten alive, even with all of the adrenaline, must hurt like hell.
>>537922191Humans made dogs from wolves a new species
Haha. It turned out that the christian Bible was right all along, scientifically. I find that most satisfying.
>>537922219Most religions are based on that state when it's just biological and you can trigger it in a fighter jet or a lab. It probably exists because of prey animals shutting down and playing dead when there's no hope so they don't have a heart attack.
i do find it a little odd how evolution is just accepted as fact these days. when i was a kid it was considered only a theory, and absolutely nothing has developed since then.like the climate change meme. just push it for long enough, and people accept it as the truth.
>>537922370You think this because you don't know what the word theory means
>>537922327I like the heart attack angle, it's far fetched but at least gives a reason for why an useless mechanism may still be present. The thing is, do these animals ever survive such a whiteout where the state you talked about could be passed on genetically?
>>537917649>Why are you so against the idea of a creator?lol geeze, you got one-shot by that dood.
>>537922445>thiswhat?
>>537922455Yes. I had that state before when it seemed I was gonna burn to death. If my body kept being pumped of adernaline my heart would of stopped
>>537917396>plant randomly decides >randomly decides>decidesReligious fundies trying to into science will never stop being funny.
>>537917396>you need to know something is nutritious to evolve to consume it for nutrientsAre you mentally retarded?
>>537922594Not every situation that seems like you will die you actually die, even prey animals can get accidently dropped by birds for example. So stopping the heart from beating to death helps and gets passed on as a gene.
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>>537922594>>537922848alright thx
>>537922848A lot of people think that state is heaven. And even Buddhists mediate to achieve it after years. I legit had a priest tell me it was heaven
>>537921621I'm not convinced God did create me, specifically. Nor am I convinced he created evil, much less that evil exists. I'm much more convinced that everything is downstream of systems set up by God and that God has taken a liking to us, or perhaps even guided us to be where we are, potentially even imbuing us with a piece of himself (consciousness, qualia, etc...). I should also say that I don't particularly believe in a "devil" figure, and if one does exist it exists in no comparison to God.
>>537922178those look smokable, have there been any people who tried to smoke them?
>>537918034Black Science Man more like BASED Science Man amirite
>>537921456>>537918494>>537918155>>537917845
This entire thread is prime evidence of how fuckin dumb rightoids and religionfags are, holy fuck.
>>537923123They make teas from them to help with coughs but I don't know if you'd want to smoke mucilage, it might help a lot with a cold or it might coat your lungs and basically choke you.
>>537918065hyenas are cute
>>537917546More like you need to believe that some entity that you can persuade to change something is in control rather than accept that you're a powerless speck at the whims of an unknowable, infinite, inanimate force.
>>537920559I'd hate to be nostalgic for social media, but i do find it comfy.
>>537920559> Back then it wasn't popular to see Christianity as just another form of JudaismThat’s because before 2015, even the atheists on this board knew the kikes weren’t actually Jews.
>>537917166HOURLY REMINDER: there is no god, jesus never existed and when you die it will be nothingness for eternity!
>>537917845
Evolution was already mathematically disproven by Vox Day. Reddit trannies mad.
>>537918665lol, you guys hate catholics...what are you doing?
>>537917649>WhyI think it's the rule of this board that any question can be answered simply by saying "jews"Jesus was a jew through and through and his cult of kikes need to die out already and get this fairy tale shit done with. Been 2000 years too long at this point. Knowledge of reality at least has some usage as we can apply facts and logic to create something new.The jewsus fairy tale just makes people act delusional and egoistic when humanity could work together for a better future.
>>537917396god is real and he made you retarded
>>537926523He’s not real and you’re low IQ
>>537926549mines way higher than yours doebeit
>>537917649>Why are you so against the idea of a creator?if there would be one, she would be a sadistic bitch that wants all of her creation to suffer without need.I rather have random changes through evolution
>>537917166existence in this hell suck
maybe the next step of evolution is extinction
>>537927892No, we'll use gene editing to cure all illness and some societies might make a new species that's more intelligent or harder to kill
>>537917166For me it`s the Duckbill Platypus.
>>537928262endless circle of suffering forever
>>537928262The only thing preventing you from growing a new arm if someone chops it off is your DNA and all organs can simply be repaired or grown and implanted
>>537917396Based and truthpilled
>>537918078Yeah. Denial of evolution is satanic. It's the height of hubris to think that God had to make everything exactly as it is now, and that only man was smart enough to start shaping dogs and turnips for varied roles.
>>537928703That doesn't make you immortal. You'd still be dead when your brain is destroyed. Some people may copy their brain with technology but they'd still die and simple reproduce into a new body with their memories
>>537917396you're brown
>>537929023>Some people may copy their brain with technology but they'd still die and simple reproduce into a new body with their memoriesThat would just be a copy of a person. The original would still be dead. Nightmare fuel really when you think about it.The only real way of achieving immortality is to either fix the issues with cell reproduction that degrades the blueprint of the cell or to introduce an external factor, like nanomachines that can manually fix cells directly.Neither of those will actually prevent you from dying under all other circumstances though.
>>537929461It's a pretty nightmarish technology except to help people with brain damage after repairing their brain. The implications mean someone can just program your mind
>>537929092anaerobic bacteria in waterlogged environments consume nitrogen to breathe called denitrification and there's a lot of flies in bogs
>>537921806>>537921990>the sun causes speciationI don't even know how you get to this point. You genuinely need meds.
>>537929667Elon Musk is paying people to work on the technology. He wants his brain chip in people with dementia
>>537917166>NepenthesToo bad nobody cares OP
>>537917396Based.All us right-wing chads know that Evolution is fake. Only trannies and leftists and democrats believe in evolutionGod is King
>>537930812Your political views and belief in God have nothing to do with if you believe in biblical literalism
>>537930910Spoken like a true leftie tranny.All right-wing gigachads like us know evolution is fake, and we love AI and data centers because they make your kind cry and seethe.God is King
>>537931166I see you enjoy just making things up and jumping to conclusions which is what I would expect from a fringe christian extremeist
>>537922131lucky bastard
>>537917649>>537917546dude, you all can't understand a Rope
>>537917396Let me spell it out for you retard:If an insect dies while its laying on a plantand this helps the plant only a little bit, this plantwill pas on more seeds.For example the liquid that is inside the insect is absorbed into the plant.Now any plant that is shaped in a waythat this happens more often will havean advantage over other plants.Over multiple generations the plantswill change to absorb more insects (because the plants that don't die earlier and more often).
>>537917166>actually the jews got it right and their creation history is what actually happened
DNA is fake
>>537932263Im more of a stick guy, kojima-san
>>537917166The soil it naturally grows on is so devoid of nutrients, if it didn't ingest insects by other means it wouldn't even exist.It slowly adapted in order to fill that niche, but it didn't magically decide to grow mouths and eat insects with the snap of a finger.Complex working systems only ever grow from simpler working systems. Life is no exception.
>>537922219Typical atheist mindset. The benefit is like a funeral, it isn't for you, it's for the people around you. Just like a fire can kill hundreds because of panic, it is basic logic that when a predatory animal or dangerous waterway is killing somebody it would only harm the collective if the person dying started shrieking and flailing. Same reason you never yell or freak out when dogs are fighting. "Experts" have all sorts of advice, but my best experiences at breaking dogs up is to quietly and calmly step in and physically separate them. In the event on is a niggerbull a lionkiller choke is the best way to shut it down, otherwise it's usually enough to pry the jaws open and drag both dogs apart by the scruff of their necks. People who scream and flip out are the number one cause of the videos edgelords post where a smaller dog is torn in half and this is the same principal. Humans also have this instinct and a lot of homicides are a direct result of bystanders raising the energy and making a situation feel more chaotic and unstable than it had to be.
>>537932512a one-way stick. barbaric
>>537917396>1 million years of isolated ecosystem produces anomaly plant>completely ignore modern examples of plant cross breeding (pink pineapples)>jesus took the wheel? I think the mire compelling argument is understanding what nothing is and what something is.
>something highly evolved disproves evolutionKek
>>537917845Nature do be like that. The insect world is even more violent.
>>537933818>I will inject my spawn only for them to consume you from the inside out>the last thing you will see is your spawn spewing from your own flesh>uwu
>>537917986so based on the facts you pointed out we should believe ourselves for inventing the concept of evolution as universal unquestionable truth when we don't know shit about anything else?sounds like a great plan. Y'know we could start a religion. Let's call it Science.
>>537917986>>537934701It'll be pantheistic, and we'll create Gods after everyone that makes up anything that sounds smart that we don't understand. Even, better, we'll name the concept after them so that their names are deified forever for anyone who even mentions a thought resembling the concept so that everyone knows that THAT God invented that concept first, and that's the only reason we know about it.
>>537934930Even though we don't know shit about anything, at least we'll have our Science Gods to believe in. They know stuff.
>>537934701>I believe in unprovable magic so that means you do to.
Why the fuck do I even come here anymore? This place is just r"ddit.
>>537934701im going to go listen to slayer for a while
>>537917649Who created the creator?
>>537917396it doesnt get all its nutrients from flies, infact it can survive without eating anything at all because it still gets nutrients and energy the same way all plants do
>>537917235The first reply to this caused so much seethe that it's only reasonable to inform nupol that most quantum physicists say the universe is not random but rather consciousness itself.>2ndLearn your local trees and plants before larping as a survivalist. Many plants and shrooms mimic others, some are toxic even. Another thing that wouldn't happen in a random universe.
>>537934980THEN, we'll make up greater Gods, but we'll call them Subjects to confuse people. We'll give them unearthly names like Chemistry and Physics and Material Science and we'll make up one for everything we can see and touch, and then we'll make up some for things we can't see or touch or taste or smell. Like you said nobody knows anything, so they can't say it doesn't exist or isn't real. But, if we make up so much shit and write it in books, they'll think either we're insane or there's so much of it, we'll have to know what we're talking about, ever though nobody knows anything.Then, we can start extorting money from people based on their fear of the Gods we created. Saying that if we worship them, it'll be ok. Except we'll call this worship "Study".As long as we keep making up new words they'll never catch on and doubt us.That completes the gameplay loop for out religion. Don't forget, we're calling it Science, who is the ultimate God and creator.
>>537935233I did. Jews are full of shit. Listen to me.
>>537917845god does also see how youre living your "life" and doesnt intervene
>>537935233The creator created himself obviously using magic,you wouldn't understand as a mere mortal
If all else fails, we'll pull out the original OG writings of the one true Brahmin God and creator of the universe: Darwin.Who is the King of Gods and Lord of all. The original creator of lesser deities like Advanced Astro-Quantum-Teledildonics (when we want something to sound super cool and/or complicated, we put the word Astro or Quantum in front of it.)He also pioneered HyperDick Markup theory, and is the Godfather of the God Science itself.Making him the penultimate.So if thew old system of pantheism fails, we invoke Darwin, if we dare even speak his name. This will consolidate all Gods into one ultimate GodScience-being or the Avatar of Science itself. Then we beg for forgiveness for everything we stole from humanity while admitting we didn't know shit in the first place, as you so cleverly stated as the sole basis for our religion.
Guys evolution by natural gene selection is not real. We have to trust in the superstitions of the ancient Jews, they are special and chosen by their God after all. We can have our own forked version of it tailored for goyim and made mandatory. The only evolution that matters is the evolution of Mark Jesus to John Jesus. Can't get anymore real than that
We'll call our priests "scientists". With a little s.When they're wrong about anything, we'll make a new word for the concept of bullshit and we'll call it "hypothesis", which absolves them of any responsibility for ever being wrong, even though they'll put these ideas forth as being absolute unchallengeable truth.When they're right, we'll write their musings into Law, but we'll call them "theories" leaving room to absolve themselves of future wrongness.There's a third, unspoken sermon of the scientist, one he uses only in times of great peril, when his hypothesis' and his theories and laws and universal truths are all overturned, and he has no way out. He uses this only to escape death from the unwashed ignorant masses he's duped for centuries. It's the last line in his defense of our God Science.We'll name this ultimate prayer "baffled".
>>537917166Well that settles it boys. Jesus wasn’t fake or Jewish. Pack it up
Scientists dont even know how the first living cell happened. They cant reproduce it in a lab and say something incredibly unlikely happened. More like it was the hand of God
>>537917396>this plant randomly decides to have get its nutrients from flies instead of the soilfalse
>>537917649if you can accept that nobody created the creator, then you can accept that nobody created anything and it's always existedcreators make no sense unless you're a low IQ, illogical nigger because it asks the same question you pretend it answers. if you can't understand this, you're too stupid to think about shit and probably won't be useful unless you're doing manual labor for a white man
>>537917166Wait until this shitskin finds out about the Venus poop eater.
This ritual of the state "baffled", when entered by the scientist priest (small s), is very costly.It costs the scientist 50 aborted fetus cordbloods and 12 adrenochrome infusions.But hey, nobody knows anything anyway, that's the basis of our religion.And the priest is absolved of all wrong-knowing in the minds of others, and is restored to a state of "study". This, of course, requires more donations of money from the unknowers aka everyone else.
>>537937400aka, the Church of the Unknowers (everyone)
>Destroys creation theory
>>537917546literally no fucking connection to his claim pajeet
>>537917166that plant helped me to quit drinking>God is the greatest and wisest
Ok I'm bored now. Good luck with you new religion priests.. er uh scientists.
>>537917396https://youtu.be/2z-OLG0KyR4?si=96ubv5tD-zpyxioI
>>537917166lol you goyim are so dumb
>>537935107This scientist is dangerously close to entering the state of "baffled".Woe unto those surrounding him who listen to his sermons.
An all-powerful, all-knowing benevolent being that doesn't make mistakes created this.
>>537935233Thomas Aquinas would like to have a word with you.
Reminder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxfkjrZD0yM
>>537938050There were no mistakes, it was all intentional.
>>537938050God doesn't love all people equally. He has no reason to make our lives easier, in fact, just the fact we're living is on His mercy.
>>537917166It's funny because there are at least 12 different times meat-eating plants have evolved independently in cases of convergent evolution, indicating that it's not a difficult leap to make. They're all likely evolved in environments with nutrient-poor soil and slowly repurposed their own leaves (or roots depending on species) to trapping, digesting and absorbing insects for nitrogen and phosphorus.The pre-adaptation phases had in-curving leaves for catching rainwater, and naturally sometimes bugs fall in. So the trap existed first, before the ability to absorb. After that, it was just a matter of time when the first mutation allowing the absorbtion of nutrients from that biological mass came to be, and after it happened, it was only a question of further specialization. Like there aren't even that many steps in this process, this is hardly the clock maker argument you think it is.
>>537938050I bet he swims really fast. Think of all the fat goth sluts with a cthulu fetish who wish they could be 1/10th as cool as that guy.
>>537939348There's a lot of leaps of faith in your dissertation.
>>537939642>There's a lot of leaps of faith>a lotThere's ONE mutation required for it to kick off, Anon. We've proven more complex chains of mutation. We've observed e. coli for 80 000 generations, and it has resulted in 12 different lineages. We've directly identified an exact chain of approximately 37 historical amino-acid mutations in that process. All those water-catching plants (that still exist around the world in non-meat-eating capacity) need ONE mutation that allows their leaves to start absorbing nitrogen through water by a mutation of the same process that allows them to produce oxygen with their leaves.
>>537917166There are retards out there that think you could have an interim Caterpillar to butterfly step where a creature "sort of" metamorphoses. Sorry Darwin, things were created. You can even selectively breed cats until you are blue in the face for thousands of years and never get a dog. Imagine how random mutations did it.
>>537939889You only need a bigger dick or better metabolism or a smaller and less hook shaped nose to reproduce, but you lack all of these things.
>>537917546Yeah god made water to perfectly interact with environments
carnivorous plants are very cool
>>537925036More like to not believe in god means you are a massive homosexual since your kind go out of your way to protect faggors
>>537918886Have zero understanding of why kids these days are so obsessed with height it’s gay and feminine which is what atheists are
>>537948118>Erosion and tsunamis are perfect interactions with the environment
Evolution is already fake because you existing proves it, you've never seen anything evolve>ummm actually it takes millions of years to evolve>ummm actually it takes billions of years>ummm actually it doesn't matter if humanity is millions of years old and the same animals that existed then haven't evolved at all >ummm actually crocodiles are billions of years old but they're perfect so they don't have to evolveEvolution doesn't know what timeline it needs to evolve shit and is fake and gay LOL
>>537948521>you've never seen anything evolveYou never saw a god create a universe, but you still go with it
>>537918022You are a homosexual that’s why you hate god just admit it
>>537948436Yes god has made some amazing interactions in this highly complex material existence he has created
>>537949764Why would he hate God? God created him as a homosexual
>>537949824I believe the claim was perfect interactions.Which implies God want a tsunami to hit the fukushima reactor and cause it to melt down, while murdering thousands of people, and rendering tens of thousands of people homeless.Hardly seems like a loving god.
>>537917166I have a theory about how plants evolved to be stationary. Basically they used to move around pretty fast like a lot of animals, but there was this one herbivorous predator that used ambush tactics and was so effective that all the fast moving plants got wiped out. The only plants on earth that survived had to evolve to live in a fixed position so as to avoid this incredibly voracious and effective ambush predator. Once all the remaining plants had made this adaptation, the ambush herbivores died out through starvation because their hunting method became ineffective. That's why plants today are stationary and there are no herbivores left that practice hunting via ambush.
>>537917845That has always bothered me, like kill the poor thing first
>>537950022Ambulate + bush, it's even in the name
>>537917166That endorses Evolution tardy bong.
