pol/ still can't refute this
>>537935701They get jobs under the table and steal SSN to get welfare All fields
>>537935701there's a difference between a legit immigrant worker and a welfare tourist
they accept illegal wages and dont report their income which allows them to claim benefits. kill yourself OP
It has been refuted though. Many times.>1pbtid>posted it again award>d&c shill>likely israeli>possibly indian
>>537935701I've been conservative for a long loong time. I've never actually heard anyone complain about immigrating taking jobs. Its always been a culture and people thing. I really think this is just liberals thinking they know why we have certain opinions but they dont.
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There's millions of them so it's both
>>537935701wait, there's only one immigrant?
>>537935927regardless
>>537935701they take cash jobs, sell drugs and go on welfare.
>>537935701Low end immigration kills the job market for low skill work and drives wages down.High end immigration (h1b in the US) kills the job market for high skill work and drives wages down.Illegal immigration is still a societal cost when your 'welfare' systems are minimal. Illegal kids go to school (tax payer funded). They end up in the ER (tax payer funded). They crash their cars without insurance or licenses (cost passed on to society, the hurt). When they commit crimes that is on the tax payer. These are not difficult insights, and the picture is just a dishonest strawman.
>>537935701Oh yeah? Well what about this chart from 2016 that looks like a 3rd grader made it for his first ever class powerpoint presentation saying otherwise huh? I've got a bunch of tweets and facebook posts and I'm not afraid to use them!
>>537935701>green card holding resident aliens go on welfare.>illegal aliens take our jobs.I refute this every time you make this thread yet you have yet to refute my refutation
>>537935701both are true, the slaver state simply discovered that welfare boosts gdp faster than some dumb nigger learning how to sort packages
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>>537935701The women are all on welfare popping out kids, the men are taking all the blue collar construction jobs and not paying taxes. If it was simply them picking crops and the women wiping butts in nursing homes than they would be fine to stay because Americans dont want those jobs. Its the crossovers we are seeing, especially in construction, union cleaning jobs, landscaping, etc that are the problem. They also put a strain on all services and safety nets meant for Americans, like hospitals, schools, power grid, water supply, food banks, welfare, etc, increasing the costs for Americans.
>>537935701It's both and it's always been said that way since you first started spamming this shitlib take, fuck off shill and kill yourself, or better yet, go fight some ICE agents.
>>537935701There's like 30 mexicans in the back of every mcdonalds
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>>537935701>Hide thread + mage
>>537935701What is this 2016? We never deport beaners retard
>>537935701well both are true. They hurt citizens no matter what. That's why we want them the fuck out. This isn't the own you think it is you faggot.
>>537935701They take all the jobs by heavily undercutting pay and they also bring in their entire extended family who all get separate welfare benefits. Sometimes they double dip on fraud and get welfare while also working undocumented jobs for wages that undercut every other worker.
>>537935701Oh no, a new meme, what could i possibly do.
>>537935701if they got you doing this at eglin, they've decided you are too brown to do any of the cool shit. ouch.
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>>537937853https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_ofiX4tuLQ&t=1159s
>>537935701Just don't like em, simple as.
>>537935701taxes go up to pay for them being here, meaning now jobs that used to be viable no longer are
>>537935771This
>>537935701Whether they do either or both, it's bad. Jobs are for Americans. Benefits are for Americans. Go back to your shithole countries.
>>537938334I have nothing against them it is just a numbers game to me.
>>537936680Why not deal with both problems?
>>537935701They are on welfare and working illegally/cash in hand for less wages than a native because they are content living in HMO favela tier conditions for a few years whilst sending remittances to (insert shit country here) and building a mansion.
>>537935701It can be both faggot
>>537936680Old boomer has all the cookies because he can hire the imported brown for less. Both are the problem.
>>537935701leftists should be against immigration because it lowers the wages for citizens, you're a civilization destroying kike
>>537935701> schrodnigga
>>537935790no. there isnt. both must go
>>537935701Nothing to refute. Both are true.
>>537935701There's more than one of them
>>537935701Third path.They are devaluing our labor and let in by the elite to do just that.We will not be rid of them until we take back power to the workers.
Fuck the left.You worthless sacks of traitorous shit. Racists make little sense to me: I'll take a million Clarence Thomases before one Moonbeam Jensen-Smith who votes blue no matter who.Every time a Democrat sings (from being stabbed by someone they voted to enable) and angel gets its wings. PS: pro-choice 4 lyfe. It's the only thing that keeps nigger numbers down to a someone tolerable number.
>>537935701They should be here. Simple as.
>>537938753You deserve a buckshot shampoo, r/antiwork cunt.
>>537938459Good girl! *pets*
>>537936084High skilled workers are scaled up from low skill workers and are also hurt by low end immigration! (imagine the "cost of labor index" doubling or tripling, do you think professors will still making the same wages when burger-flippers are making nearly the same $$$?)
>>537936807WRONGI just saw this post: >>537938816
>>537939153It doesn't permit their labor
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>>537935701They litetally do both./thread
>>537935701>pol can't refute thisEveryone who works has taken a job.Everyone who doesn't work is stealing welfare.They are both true.>you can't refute thisI just did
>>537935701The left argument is retarded because people will do those jobs but they want a wage they can survive on. The right is retarded because they are immigrants and shouldn't get the same rights and entitlements as citizens. What's the point in being a citizen if there's no benefit? Rome did the same stupid shit
>>537939306Not an argument, boomer. That pic depicts reality.
>>537936084H1b visa system is broken, it's meant for regularly skilled workers in in-demand fields. Yet is mainly used to bring tech jeets over despite the tech job market being squeezed more and more.Actual High-skilled visas in the US require years of experience that can't easily be faked like H1b process can.
>>537940147>meant for regularly skilled workers in in-demand fieldsThese are just buzzwords that mean nothing. Nobody has ever been treated by an H1B doctor or driven over a bridge built by an H1B engineer. Before mass migration did American have a job shortage? No. There are zero labor shortages in any field, corporations just want low wages and politicians want ethnic voting blocks.
Both retard. They take far below market wages driving employment down for everyone and supplement their income with bennies, scams and illegal dogfights.
>>537940420The issue is that it looks better economically to fill an in demand role immediately rather than train a local up. I'm against this of course, but that is what is being done.And as for the 'before mass migration' bit. Culture was also a bit different, and people were less choosey about the job they did, in part because wages weren't shit. Now I know you'll blame migrants 100% on that, but it's also heavily influenced by the new corporate paradigm of shareholders demanding cost cutting measures to increase stock prices. That probably more than migration has stifled wage growth.
>>537935927Doesn't count as a 2 post OP if you only reply to the post calling you a 1 post OP and not to any of the actual arguments
>>537935701They do both; with fraud.
>>537935701Bean men do the job cheap, bean women collected welfare claiming to be single mothers.
>>537935701>pol/ still can't refute this/pol/ can actually, and has gotten better at it over time If I could give them a cute little compliment; there is an actual objective correct answer and it's these ones: >>537936084 >>537937927 >>537939157 The concise answer is essentially: illegal immigration severely devalues the cost of domestic labor and takes income out of the tax system via undocumented untaxed wages (specifically, I think the average Mexican illegal farm laborer goes home with around 24-26k in undocumented wages?), while still consuming social services like police, fire, utilities, housing, and in some cases school & *healthcare. I think the only thing /pol/ still struggles with is the reality that illegal immigration into America is a problem "enjoyed" with massive bi-partisan support. Democrats AND Republicans, and really anyone in a certain affluent economic bracket, both economically benefit tremendously from illegal immigration. You need to realize that if literally *ANY* party wanted to actually deal with illegal immigration they'd be going after employers and not wasting time, money, and resource, on brown-people easter egg hunts. *A similar thing happens with homeless people. People have a hard time understanding this because they don't realize a "loose and feral" homeless person will still cost them money. The average homeless person will accrue a debt of about 26k to 42k a year in various damages: shitting in the street, eating garbage, getting into bum fights, etc..
>>537936680that is a different matter altogether.my first post remains unassailable
>>537940533Ok, so you're a lying kike.>The issue is that it looks better economically to fill an in demand role immediately rather than train a local up.No, it just costs less. Companies care about the bottom line and the quarterly numbers.>And as for the 'before mass migration' bit. Culture was also a bit different,Our country is unrecognizable compared to a few decades ago.>and people were less choosey about the job they did, in part because wages weren't shit.Policy is downstream of culture. Wages have gone to shit because of migration policies that chased cultural Marxist ideology, like the civil rights movement. What you're trying to do is shit blame to "choosey" workers, instead of professional liars like yourself.
>>537935701>the indian it support does the job as well as the person he replacedlol. lmao.
>>537935701They are doing both. That's how they afford the expensive houses now, two sources of income, plus all the grift, theft, etc. Thanks for helping raise awareness about how bad Immigrants are OP.
>>537935701If you import a hundred immigrants and half of them get jobs, you have fifty less jobs in your country and fifty more people on healthcare. End of threadYou are either suffering from severe mental retardation or you are a slimy revolting liar. In the case of the latter, what could be your motivation? You clearly wish suffering and devestation upon the natives of western countries.This does not inspire mercy. What response does this behaviour merit?
>>537935701more than one immigrant. All the jeets are taking the tech work and all the somalis are taking the welfare.
>>537935701They come over and take what little jobs there are while their families live off our welfare. It's not like there's just one of them.>2023: 4% of available jobs went to White Americans>2025: it was less than 1%
>>537935771FPBP/thread
