Do Qmeicans actually not need to follow American laws because they only apply to public property?Americans dont need registration plates or driving licenses because Americans have the right to travel within America?
>>537972889>Qmeicanshuh, what is this species
This is a legal loop hole?
>>537972943>what is this speciesbased low iq schizoskek
>>537972889SIR GET DOWN
It's mostly nonsense. It's not unique to America, many Canadians do it too.Darrell Brooks famously employed these legal techniques during his trial and look where it got him.
They're just retards who are usually criminals.
>>537972970>This is a legal loop hole?No. Get off the internet kiddo.
>>537972889If america was real then yes
Correct. Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL96m13dq6s
>>537972889i never looked into whether they are right or not, but even if they are right, zogbots don't care about their rights and are allowed to harass them with no consequences. just like how they can steal your guns even if you are legally open carrying, or steal your camera if you are legally filming in public
>>537972889This channel will answer all your questions and provide some laughs. Enjoy the window breaks.https://www.youtube.com/@VanBalion
>>537972970Nope lolp
Retarded white trash usually, but they have the right idea. Pretty much the last constitutionalists. Other mutts have already rolled over and complied with big brother
>>537972889States cannot regulate motor vehic—-ack!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
>>537973091>whether they are right or notThey aren't
>>537972889Lazy niggers that don’t want to renew their license
>>537972889>Redpill me on "sovereign citizens"morons who find out the hard way that what they believe is bullshit.
>>537973168>they have the right idea.they don't
>>537972889basically schizos who believe citing some paragraphs works like a Bannspruch and the cops can no longer touch them.the law isn't worth shit, it's just a couple words on a piece of paper. it gets violated every day
>>537972889You will notice they don't mention how unfair the currency system is. That tells you they are inorganic at the top. A ton of supposed power to the people types run the other way when you bring up currency. It's a sight to behold.
>>537973354So you want (((big brother)))? Cool.https://443913-day-of-the-sword.mp3.pm/song/156283140-big-brother/
>>537973290they find out the hard way that the state is more powerful than them
I work for the post office and sometimes you'll get one that wants to mail something for free using some justification. I like to reverse uno them and start spewing out schizo babble of fake legal mumbo jumbo saying why they can't.
>>537973486
No, sovcits are the most easily-led, deluded idiots in the country. So profoundly misinformed, that I now believe that it's actually a psyop to funnel chuds into the prison-industrial complex.
>>537973673Who exactly are (((we)))? Lmao
>>537972889Sovereign = stand-alone ruler, beholden to no other authority on Earth.Citizen = team player participating in shared rights, responsibilities, priveleges and duties in an authority-based civilization.Only aggressive schizotypal criminals merge these opposite concepts to give themselves unbridled parasitism.As long as that deadbeat (and I guarantee you he has never paid taxes in his life) is using public roads, his private vehicle will comply with public rules or be impounded.Fuck "sovereign citizens."
>>537973168>but they have the right ideaThat has never once held up in court.They basically just bounce in and out of jail their whole lives because they can't get it through their thick skulls that laws apply to them
>>537973729
>>537972889The Code is commercial. The Code is Copyrighted. Driving is a commercial activity. The DMV is a State Corporation. You go in and sign a contract, to become a driver for The State. The State owns the plates. The State owns the highest title (turned over by the dealership) to the automobile and gives you the equitable title in return. So The State owns the automobile and you just pay for it. It is not easy to get an automobile from toyota etc. without exchanging the manufactuers certificate of origin with the State for the nigger title to just pay all the bills.Motor Vehicle is over 10,000 lbs gross or is an electic motor vehicle not paying any gas tax.Automobiles are ENGINE driven carriages. They punked private gasoline carriages into the commercial motor vehicle schema, when travelling to church or market is not a commercial activity. This is all a scam for enslavement to Jewish Usuriois Gambling Insurance.The Constitutionally lawful system for risk abatement is called surety. You post a bond in the local jurisdiction to cover potential damages. Niggers don't have to comply with traffic law because their George Soros controlled District Attorneys deliberately create racialized tiered justice, but everywhere else you will be meeting the magistrate and losing until you get to at least a federal circuit court. You are never allowed to use the Constituion as a defense in local/county courts because their venue/jurisdiction is not Constitutional. You're really in binding arbitration as a State contractor. Your Legal Fiction ALL CAPS nomme de guerre straw man is what the court is trafficking and making as or like The People Of or The State Of. These things are monsters, that definitionally must be re-presented, and so you are also twisted to be made like or as a monster, as an individual, by your consent to The Trust presently at bar.
>>537974262>TL:DRWhen did you lose your license for drunk driving? Post pictures of your home-made number plates with timestamp.
>>537974262>Driving is a commercial activity.See, this is the kind of belief that lands you in jail.An outdated definition from black's law dictionary doesn't make it true
>>537972889You're as Free as you are Brave, Glow Nigger Jew Euro Jew Flag Anon
>>537973586The Postal court is the highest court because the system of addressing is fundamental to the delivery of cargo/cattle/you.There is some way to pay nominal postage, probably something congress wrote a long time ago.
>drivers license, registration, proof of insurance>I'm not driving I'm travelling *Window break*Great vidhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT_9-N2DgPo
>>537972970If it was, everyone would do it.
>>537972889Does a taser have a button to set up maximum electricity?
>>537974422You seem like a pretty cool schizo who would be fun to hang out with, and a nightmare to live next door to.
>>537972889They are just a bunch of delusional amerimutt rightoid trannies who identify as boats.
>>537972889Imagine the sigh of dread from the cop who pulls behind that vehicle. Lmao have fun dealing with that, zogbot
>>537972889usually uppity niggers that think they are smart
>>537974262>Driving is a commercial activity.No, driving is not inherently a commercial activity.
>>537973707They're not delusional. They never gave consent to be ruled by the ZOG, so they don't recognize their laws or authority. You're the reason non-jews are referred to as cattle (goyim)
>>537974063>That has never once held up in court.I wonder why? Let me give you some historic context about generational glowniggers>William Huntington Russell co-founded Skull and Bones at Yale in 1832, drawing inspiration from his family’s business, Russell & Company, which specialized in the international opium trade with China. This enterprise was a major source of wealth for the Russell family and included notable business partners such as Warren Delano Jr., the grandfather of President Franklin D. Roosevelt.>The co-founder of Skull and Bones, Alphonso Taft, served as U.S. Attorney General and Secretary of War, and his son, William Howard Taft, became the 27th President of the United States and Chief Justice of the Supreme Court>Russell & Company’s shipping fleet was notably used to transport opium from the Sassoon family’s operations to China.
>>537974422>The Postal court is the highest court because the system of addressing is fundamental to the delivery of cargo/cattle/you.Wrong again, the Postal system is not a higher court, but rather an administrative and executive service. In the U.S., the Supreme Court remains the highest judicial authority.
>>537972889Anyone that writes on their vehicle like this is automatically in schizo territory. I'll bet they don't have insurance either.
>>537974347This is your brain from Black's Law published after The Federal Reserve Act and the need to reapair the reputation of the British Aristocratic Registry (BAR) attorney (to twist) lawyer (a satan, your accuser). ESQUIRE IS A TITLE OF FAU-REIGN NO-BILLITY. The Government of These United States, The State Of, DOES NOT ISSUE TITLES OF NOBILITY.>>5379743471791 is the relevant historical time period, not 1913, Jew. The courts are all Jewish Banks, the only lawful de jure court is The Supreme Court.
>>537974705Yeah, it's like how illegal immigrants never gave consent to be governed so they're immune to all laws
>>537973494Simple as that
>>537972970yeah it's totally legal if you also only drive on private roads.
>>537974777How many times have you been to jail?
>>537974653Driving is serving two masters. De-riving. One Travels.
>>537974728If it does hold up in court, it's bad fucking legal advice that will result in you getting arrested over and over.
>>537974731And what is the Jurisdiction if the Supreme Court? Of you, or of the Federal Government?
>>537974886>I'm travelling not driving*Window smash*>You're kidnapping me!! I do not consent to arrest!!! What's your bond number? I'll sue you!!!
I don't what the results are, this is basically the most awesome and based thing in the world and everyone who tries it is a mad dog.
>>537974058Fuel tax is meant to pay for highways retard.And living by a doctrine of personal right and accountability, as expected of everyone, is hardly a dissonant concept.KYS system cuck
>>537974485>I'm doneSo satisfying
>>537975029>Here is my fee schedule!Yep it do be that way. INSTEAD of an amendment to prevent BAR attorneys from being elected to office (they only sit for one day a year, and the rest they act private), we have an amendment to turn everyone into nigger class "Citizens". These are all farming and population words for describing/knowing heads of cattle on your farm.
>>537972889>>537972970It's only a "loophole" if you're already driving on private property like a your farm. Then your 12 year old can rip around in your 4Runner and cops can tongue your anus
There's a hidden way you can use to get around paying taxes and needing a drivers license >there's 2 classes of citizenship, state citizenship (which natural born White people are supposed to have) and US citizenship (which natural born White people in America aren't supposed to have, was meant to be for freed slaves and their descendants)>every White in america has falsely been labeled as a US citizen>you can change your citizenship from US citizenship to state citizenship>on tax forms you sign under the penalty of perjury that you're a US citizen or other class in america that has to pay taxes>state citizens aren't listed as one of these classeshttps://youtu.be/eCkk-a4gUB8https://www.williamsandwilliamslawfirm.com/a-treatise-on-the-word-personHow to lawfully travel in your car without having a drivers licensehttps://youtu.be/SFCp6IUmdEIhttps://youtu.be/WqV9KgM1hoQ
>>537974886Also, you drive a wagon train loke you would a tractor trailer. Which part about a team of oxen pulling your cart screams non-involvement in interstate commerce?
>>537972889No, many Americans are just mentally ill.
>>537973586I wouldn't be surprised if reduced/free postage is on the books in many literally who counties from a hundred years ago
>>537972970No, because it's states who are granted police powers under their constitutions. There is no federal requirement to register a private vehicle in the USA. But every state requires it.
>>537975304Ooo. How to get arrested for no license, AND how to get arrested for tax fraud A twofer of bad advice.
>>537972889They're attention-seeking faggots that believe they've found cheat codes for real life.
>>537975304You'd think at this point one of these people would make big enough of a drink that the supreme Court has to get involved
>>537974886>OneDriving is a privilege. And requiring a driver's license isn't inhibiting your ability to travel
>>537975031>bulldoze the vatican and inner city of london>lol
>>537974976The jurisdiction of the Supreme Court, as defined by Article III, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, is divided into two primary categories: original and appellate. It also exercises the crucial power of judicial review
>>537975029States absolutely have the power to regulate travel. If I walk down the middle of the traffic lane, I will be arrested for obstructing traffic.>fuck you, I'm exercising my right to travel, you can't do anything!Not how society works. Your rights are always going to be limited by the rights of others around you.
>>537975406Again, requiring a driver's license to operate a motor vehicle doesn't impede your ability to travel or commerce
>>537973168Tranny jeet can't go a second without seething about white people existing.Sovereign citizen shit is a black invention and pushed by the blacks. Most of the sovereign citizens are not white, you just see them slightly more because because the white ones can speak coherent sentences so the bodycam footage is more interesting than a nog chimping out.
>>537975304>There's a hidden way you can use to get around paying taxes and needing a drivers licenseNope >>537975304>How to lawfully travel in your car without having a drivers licenseThis will get you in more trouble
>>537975096Amen brother. I believe that anyone who doesn’t support and believe in “radical” freedom should be expelled forcibly from the United States or executed for treason unironically These boot licking faggots make up the army of foot soldiers for the elite and they are the ones who lock the chains around our necks. Always kill a traitor before an enemy
>>537972889They are cranks.
>>537975523The game is for the Judge to take your public trust equity private. The FED secures brrrr money to the States for each head of cattle. So you causing in-jure-eee to the Trust in your likeness to which you are the alleged sole beneficiary, and you are not the fiduciary or adminstrator. The Judge is adminstering your the Trust. So, the dollar value of this trafficking is immeasurable. These cases don't get to The Court because then you are messing with the dough. It is easier for the BAR to let some fish get away. They are running pirate ships and selling their admiralty services in a depopulated desert of the mind. You are a vessel on the living waters. One did not berth your own cargo. The Qlipthoth does not belong to you. This is >THE LORD GOD'S LAW.
>>537975644Did you bother to read that contract to the State's private corporation?
>>537972889>>537972970It doesn't make sense if you think about it more than five seconds.Okay, so they don't need a license or registration. Are drivers required to follow all other traffic laws? No speed limit, no stop signs, no right of way? It'd be Mad Max on public roads.
>>537972889No, that car will be pulled over in 15 minutes because it has no license plates.
>>537975733What is the distinction between a MOTOR and an ENGINE?
>>537975976>The people following the law are the problemWell that would just be anarchy
>>537976166Again, driving a motor vehicle is a privilege and requiring a driver's license isn't preventing your ability to travel
>>537976266Again,requiring a driver's license to operate a motor vehicle doesn't impede your ability to travel or commerce
>>537973168Lots of niggers try to play this game too, and lose every time.
>>537976074This is a mix of sovereign citizen/admiralty law pseudolegal theory, strawman trust doctrines, and esoteric/Qabalistic framing. These ideas have circulated for decades in certain circles (e.g., redemption theory, "accepted for value," "living man" vs. "corporate vessel," BAR = "British Accredited Registry" conspiracies). Courts in the US and similar common-law jurisdictions have uniformly rejected them as frivolous. They rarely succeed and often worsen outcomes for those who rely on them.
>>537976266What is the difference between a motor and an engine>engines run on fuel (combustion), while motors run on electricity
>>537976166there is no enforceable "contract" with the "State's private corporation" in the way sovereign citizen theories describe
>>537973477muh Federal Reserve weirdos are as annoying as SovCits.
>>537975806I don't watch niggers online. I've only seen videos of white trash doing it. The point was that mutts don't defend their constitution. Even less protected by the "neo-americans". They are getting bent over backwards and fucked with a 10" strap-on since the patriot act.
>>537975457All this seething at sovereign citizens stems from them not playing by the rules that you play by. It's sour grapes. That's why cattle like you get so giddy when you see someone who tries to leave the farm get arrested. "If I have to be in this pen then why shouldn't he be in it too?"You also haven't proved what I said wrong.
>>537976233Those are all codes for anyone driving for the State and they keep a particular style of syntax:The thick border outline.This style is also on your Federal Reserve notes.Basically, how we use ((())). Public Roads exist to deliver you the nigger services (fire, police, etc) and to drive national guard tanks onto your front lawn within the hour. If you cause harm like a nigger you are responsible for it. Why do we need precrime codes, Codes describing crimes without victims? Because niggers are carelees? Careless niggers are the organizing principle of the demoralized.
>>537976401You don't get a loicense without your signature on the DMV's contract to binding arbitration, retard.
>>537974262What a load of horse manure.
>>537972970you can have "farm use" tags on a vehicle but you aren't supposed to drive them on roads. nonetheless, i have been driving on the west virginia turn pike and have seen a tan pickup truck with no bumpers and with "farm use" spray painted on the side of it.
>>537975523>>537975523The guy i linked, Brandon Williams, has been trying to do that
>>537976750Driver's license applications and renewals do not require you to sign a contract agreeing to binding arbitration.Try again dummyn
>>537976629>Those are all codes for anyone driving for the StateThey are laws you're required to obey of you want the privilege to operate vehicle
>>537976588>sovereign citizens stems from them not playing by the rules that you play byAnd they go to jail in the most hilarious fashion for it
>>537976588>You also haven't proved what I said wrong.Why bother? You fags don't even believe the courts when they tell you you're wrong. Which is by far the funniest part. The ultimate arbiters of the law are telling you you're wrong, and you're still in denial about it.
>>537972970No. Literally go to youtube and look at these guys getting btfo during traffic stops.
They're probably right (technically) but it doesn't matter in practice unless they can actually get away with it which I doubt is the case? Or do they?
>>537977296Nope. They bounce in and out of jail their whole lives thinking the law doesn't apply to them
>>537977296They are not right in any way, shape, or form. The problem is we have too many soft libtard judges who will let these retards go with no jail time and a slap on the wrist which makes the sovcit think they "won" in court and it only emboldens them further.
>>537977011Can you show us a civil judgment issued for or against a DMV then?
>>537977165>bunch of judge jews tell you you're wrong>that means you must be wrong
>>537972889Sovereign citizens are completely delusional. However the United States government has absolutely no validity or legitimacy at this point and it just comes down to a base power struggle vs. citizens. Cops have no authority. Judges have no authority. Politicians have no authority. And corporations sure as hell don't have any authority.
>>537977296It's entirely made up. It started as a grift specifically targeted at the poor and stupid and crazy people ate it up.
>>537977424Yup. Hernandez v. California Department of Motor Vehicles. This major class-action lawsuit targeted the DMV's policy of automatically suspending driver's licenses for individuals who could not pay traffic fines or failed to appear.
>>537977145Because most of them don't know what they're doing >>537977165The ultimate arbiter of the law, the Supreme Court, has stated that there's 2 distinct classes of citizenship, and White people don't get their citizenship from the 14th amendment like black americans do, they get it from the states
>>537977533Are you a class or an individual?
So in theory you can have an unregistered off road EV that doesn’t travel on roads just goes from station to station to recharge
>>537977598>Because most of them don't know what they're doingLol, sure bro >>537977656>keep trying to move the goal postFace it retard. You have zero legitimate arguments
>>537977465See? If you don't believe THE JUDGE on how the law works, you won't believe anyone.
>>537977965>just comply bro
>>537977962Ok Satan, Man and Monster is a difference without distinction. You have no individual right to sue the DMV you contracted with to drive trains for The State. The Regulatory Code is safety itself.
>>537972889doesn't matter if it's private property, roads are public property that require a tax for usage (license plate/registration sticker)
>>537973042darryl brooks was statistically exceptionally retarded, but I believe you
>>537978130It's good advice. They'll shoot you for not complying in this country.
>>537975976What is funny is that nothing we are espousing would be considered "radical" in 1900.>>537976291Complaining about being ethnically replaced by an invasion of 3rd worlders is against the law in the UK.Using that as an extreme example but the people who devise and enforce those types of laws are the problem.>I'm a willing slave without agency, why aren't you!?
>>537972889Yes, you do have the right to travel.You have legs, you have shoes, use them.You DO NOT have the right to operate dangerous machinery in public without licensure.
>>537978270Just shoot back. Its your constitutional right against despotism. That's why you got muh gunz
>>537977598State says you need a driver's license.
Since according to maritime law all US citizens are employees of the Unites States Corporation, does that mean burgers can't be NEETs?
>>537978132you do have the legal right to file a civil action in court for an injunction. This is a court order that forces the DMV to take an action, such as restoring a wrongfully suspended license, rather than asking for financial compensation
>>537978388You sound like a BLM protester
Getting a lot of pushback ITT. Curious.
>>537978317Surety Bonds are the Constitutional Lawfully manner of handling affray. RICO'ing everyone into an insurance pool under threat of violence for injuring the code, when no injury in fact has occured, is Jewish Freemasonry creating markets to monopolize with law merchants.
>>537972889They conflate driving with traveling. It's not the same and the right to travel is not the right to drive.
>>537978497As remedy before or after arbitration?
>>537978514>niggers fight for their rightsAnd why don't you?
>>537978671Typically after, or alongside, the administrative process, not instead of it
>>537978556So who pays for it when you blow though a stop sign because "LOL I can do what I want" and T-bone another car carrying a family of five, resulting in two deaths and over $900K in medical interventions for the survivors?Who pays for it when you lose control of your car because you were drinking and wipe out a power pole, chains power to go out at the grocery store resulting in $3 million in destroyed refrigerated/frozen product?That is the problem with "sovereign citizens". They know all about their rights and completely neglect their responsibilities.
>accidentally cause car accident>person I hit was unregistered>in my state that defaults liability to themLolLmao
>>537978671Also,True binding arbitration is uncommon in standard DMV license suspensions. It appears more in lemon law vehicle disputes or certain insurance matters.
>>537978739I do fight for my rights.I do not fight for my ability to break the law. That's anarchism. People would just walk around robbing and killing each other.
>>537978812>They know all about their rightsThey really don't
>>537978897No you don't. You're a cuck that follows the JUDICiary system.
>>537978925They act as though the law was written exclusively for their benefit, and consequences and accountability are someone else's problem.
>>537972889Sovereign citizens are extremely smart and extremely retarded at the same time. They are correct in saying:>no stops and seizures>freedom of travel However this would only be viable in a functioning republic. America is not a republic. Voting as a private citizen no longer matters. Rights as a private citizen no longer matter. The only way to describe our current system is a federal technocracy. Big tech, banking, corp, pharma, and military industry hold the keys and power. Constitutional and state rights were eliminated by Lincoln. Sovereigns are on the right side but thinking that the current government is going to honor your rights is laughable. So in conclusion, they’re retarded
>>537979029Yup
>>537972889It’s pretty weird. Even our blacks participate in that. They call themselves “Moorish” or some shit.
>>537978788You are an employee of the DMV you contracted with, to drive for. A driver is clearly an occupation, be it the pony express or a tractor trailer. >>537978812Surety Bonds are relevant text and history. Not Jewish IOU's brrrrd since 1913, distorting the prices of everything. This system of Admiralty Law is double dipping on securitizing the debt with heads, capits. Skimming public funds into provate gains.
>>537972970I swear to God this is just one big elaborate goof by one smart big brained individual to get as many small brained individuals as possible. Arrested for the most silliest shit possible
>>537979029>>537979103These NIGGERS >HATE The Lord God and HIS Law which is THE LAW.THESE IOUDAIOS NIGGERS THINK RIGHTS COME FROM MAN AND NOT GOD.
>>537975302Or they can just call CPS on you.
>>537979139The moorish conspiracy is that they aren't black. They're indigenous, and since they were here before america, they're exempt from its laws
>>537979748No, it's true. On private property, there's no licence needed, no traffic laws, and no driving age. It's only when you go on the roads...
>>537979315laws are only laws because you believe them to be laws
https://youtu.be/_LwR0c-CE5gThis is the only sovereign citizen win I can find. It’s an amazing win too. The dude uses his bullshit to run the judge right out of her own courtroom. The guy has a quiver of bullshit arrows and just unloads. She runs, he demands her back in the courtroom. God it’s good.
>>537972889im so pulling that car over and beating the driver to fuck all.
>>537979929That's exactly what I told the cops before they arrested me
>>537973290They don't find out. They try it over and over and over again and never notice that it doesn't work.
>>537979078>Sovereign citizens are extremely smart and extremely retarded at the same time.In my experience this about sums it up.
If you start reading what they actually believe its mostly related to not having to pay taxes, pay debts, or there being some sort of secret stash with your taxes that you can claim (google redemption movement). 60% of the time they're 80IQ people with $140k in credit card debt that bought into the delusion to not kill themselves.The other 40% is retarded niggers that want to be smarter than they actually are and do a made up cargo cult version of Law. They think there's a specific type of language ("contracts", quantum language) that you have to use or you're trapped. If you say your real name, for example, you're entering a binding contract with The Government. You have to say you're "the bodily representative and agent of the legal entity of NAME, freeman of the land, no contract given or implied" or similar. They think the Law operates on actual magic words and there's a specific sequence of legal words that if you say it they cant put you in jail.They're mostly just actually genuinely retarded people. It's no surprise most of them are blacks. It intersects a lot with blackamoor, black israelites and so on, too. It's magical thinking for people too dumb to understand how society works.The one thing they get right is that laws ultimately exist because the executive power can beat the shit out of you, there's no platonic reservoir of legal legitimacy. But everyone knows that.
>>537972889>>537972970they're retards that misinterpret some 100 year old ruling saying people should have the right to use whatever transportation of the day. obviously traveling as a passenger should require very different rights from piloting the same transport.
>>537979242>You are an employee of the DMV you contracted with, to drive forIncorrect
legal fiction = con artistryviolence = supreme authority
>>537979393You have no legitimate arguments
it kinda baffles me that no amount of education, access to information, technology seem to have any noticeable positive effect on humanity's intelligence
>>537979907True also in Europe, but barely anyone owns enough property to not exceed its limits by spreading your arms
>>537972889Retards messing around with subject matters they evidently cannot handle. You're either a sovereign or a citizen. If you call yourself a "sovereign citizen", you are proving that you are and should be a ward of the state, and that the existence of the state in its modern, abominable iteration is justified and necessary. Just like all the overbearing rules in society at large exist because of "people" who really are only human in superficial appearance, and often only vaguely so.
>>537972889Actual crazy people whose warped understanding of the world leads them to insane conclusions and practices that have no basis in reality.
>>537980585laws are only laws because people choose to become cops or judges and enforce them, often against an unwilling populace. who can say which is more intelligent?
>>537972889It's just schizophrenic bullshit. The country was founded by people who fled Europe after all.
Look I get it sovereign citizen schizos, driving has been decided upon as a privilege rather than a right. But in modern society it is impossible to function without motor vehicles so driving should be an unimpeded right. But it’s not, it’s a privilege in the eyes of the law. How to change that? I don’t know, but driving around with crazy ass plates and stickers plastered all over the windshield and bumpers is not the answer and does nothing besides get you pulled over faster than usual
>>537980585The average person, if transported back in time 10 thousand years, would become content with subsisting as a hunter-gatherer sooner than they would improve the lives of those around them. The average person is simply adapting to the situation they exist in and do nothing to improve or change it as they do not care to understand it.
>>537981106they'll just say "well take the shitty public bus system and be late everywhere you go" unless you're one of the lucky (relative) few who live in cities that has good public transportationno cops or judges give a shit because they are "just doing their jobs" by enforcing shitty laws made by shitty politicians.
>>537972889No. They're retards that get fined and arrested for this shit
>>537980739Laws are also laws because the people subject to them tacitly agree to them. There's plenty of unpopular and forgotten laws that will go unenforced because no one wants them enforced but its a hassle to remove them.To expand on the principles of legal positivism, the "laws that are" and the "laws that ought to be" are not the same, and neither are the laws de jure and the laws de facto.SC's issue is they understand the broad point of legal positivism (laws are as laws are enforced) but they still think they can appeal to some mystical preternatural "real Law" that courts and police just have to follow like it was a magic spell. They're also wrong about what their "real laws" say, but that's beside the point. You either believe in natural law or in Hobbesian positive law, it cant really be both. And its clearly a legal positivist's world. Appealing to 18th century maritime law theory doesnt help unless the actual legal system recognizes it and enforces it.
>>537972970this is asking for your window to get busted by a baton or maybe sgt mongo and is massive dickbeaters
>>537972889It seems its a concept that Niggers tend to latch-onto?Virtually every-time I hear "sovereign-citizen", I see a worthless belligerent Nigger Pimping-It?I
>>537973200>OMG THEY ARE FORCING ME AT GUN POINT TO VOLUNTARILY SIGN UP FOR A DRIVER'S LICENSE WTF IT'S ABSOLUTE TYRANNY AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
>>537972889Sovereign citizens think they're immune from the law, but they still routinely get arrested and tried. They don't actually understand the law.Some of them think saying "I'm not a US citizen" gives them legal privileges. It doesn't. They're also wrong on thinking they're not US citizens. Born on US soil? You're a citizen whether or not you want to be, and if you don't pay Uncle Sam money, you don't get to lose your citizenship.
>>537974347Nah. Causing harm, damage, and/or loss is what lands you in jail. What this retard >>537974262 forgot to mention is that it can't possibly be a contract because corporations are fictions of law and thus cannot contract. >>537974822>committed actual crimesBased on his inability to understand simple concepts, I'm thinking Bernard was either autistic or developmentally challenged. He could've just issued his own notes and offered them as tender but I'm not at all surprised that a Ron Paultard was doing actual criminal shit. >https://centerforneweconomics.org/apply/local-currencies-program/local-currency-models/
To their credit they're exploiting the same legal mumbo-jumbo that allows for corporations to be classified as people and thereby afforded the same rights, which is partly why big business has so much leeway in the US.
>>537973012>>537973042>>537973061>>537973062>>537973159This is your actual enemy, right here. It's not the state that's forcing you into bondage, since we outnumber and overpower the state by a lot and could easily kill them. It's these traitors. These creatures who are so in love with living are captivity that they are gleefully happy about hurting people who want to be free of it. These enemy combatants are where the actual power comes from. These are the people getting in your way that you need to kill. Without them the state doing this to you has nothing.
>>537982238I assure you, you end up in jail for not having license, registration, and insurance.But go ahead, try it. We could use more videos like this >>537974485
>>537977165LMAO this. Sovcits will be like, "You don't have jurisdiction REEEEEE!!!" Magistrate is all like, "Dude, you're inside my courtroom. Are you retarded?" Then the sovcit moron acts like the plea agreement is somehow not a contract. I don't know what the FBI was thinking when they started that movement way back when but damn if it isn't entertaining.
>>537982464You sound like an anarchist
>>537981261>...that courts and police just have to follow like it was a magic spell.That is the SovCit mindset in less than 15 words. They believe the law and the legal system runs on incantation and ritual. By muttering the counterspells some shyster on the internet gave them they can disrupt the magic and protect themselves from the dark wizards (cops) who want to oppress them (pull them over) for merely traveling in their privately owned engine powered transportation (going 55 in a school zone)
>>537973274>>537973290>>537973586>>537974650>>537975457>>537975956Notice the language these enemy combatants use, how they smugly brag about how you will be arrested for trying to free yourself of the captivity they choose to live under, and arrogantly believe they have the right to force you under as well. This is what gives them away as the enemy. No sane American consents to the current system we live under, the people in charge have absolutely zero right to govern us in any way, but they aren't actually the ones governing you. It's this garbage. These subhumans are the ones actually enforcing the system on you, and they're the primary people you need to start dealing with when things inevitably get hot.Remember how smugly they laugh at you for what their masters do to you then, and return the favor when you decide they have no more right to life.
>>537972970why they only need license OR insurance? What happens if they rear end someone?
>>537982590>What you want to live under the American system and not jewish captivity??>You are le heckin anarchist
>>537982620>you have to comply and don't get to be free, I'm going to smugly brag about my masters keeping you in my cattle pasture with meEnemy combatant identified
>>537982491Damn! I had no idea they were rounding people up at gunpoint and arresting them for not going to the DMV. This is terrible. Somebody contact the ACLU!
>>537982721Isn't the definition of anarchy freedom from all laws and government? Isn't that what you want?
I have a couple experiences with this. A sovereign citizen in Tennessee basically told me that basically it only works at the county level and that they avoid fucking with you generally because you are a maximum hassle to deal with...so they choose not to unless it's something serious. Another group of tards I knew went to one of those "how to draw against your secret treasury account" seminars. They followed the instructions, and the DoT actually sent them like 10k. Then they got a visit from Treasury Agents about it lmao. They got in a limited amount of trouble, had to give the money back, and pretty sure seminar guy is now in federal prison.
>>537972889Sovereign citizens are people who don't understand anything about the Representative Republic in the United States and like to pretend they can just opt out while still living in the country. They're idiots
>>537982925You're too much of dumb niggercattle to understand what Americans want.
>>537972970Only if you have the balls to arrest the cop that pulls you over for using those plates.
>>537982590>self-governing is le badOh no, not again! An average redditor has escaped and is on the loose.
>>537983047>Smugly lies to you that you live under the Republic of the United States, when you know full well you live under the USC, a jewish corporation that asserts ownership over you as propertyenemy combatant identified
>>537983088You could always try explaining it.
>>537983170It's already been explained to you, you aren't capable of grasping it, hence why I'm just calling you dumb niggercattle and preparing to simply shove the likes of you out of the way.
>>537982966>I knew went to one of those "how to draw against your secret treasury account" seminars>just report your tax return is $30k they have to give it to you>Submit rebates and tax exemptions whether you are eligible or not theyll send you money>Give your bank a bad check for a thousand dollars and withdraw it immediately for free money
>>537983239Oh, where?
>>537972889Sovereign citizen and freemen on the land are pure LARPers with no basis in any legal system.However, the enumerated (recognized as pre-existing) right of travel in the US constitution cannot be infringed, so a drivers license is unconstitutional. The legal guys knew this so they did it under commerce regulations. That's why "Driver" in the law is someone who operates a motor vehicle for commercial purposes. By obtaining a license you are being fooled into declaring yourself a "driver" thus are subject to all the driving laws. AFIK operating a car to drive to your gfs house you are not engaged in commerce and are technically traveling, not driving. Of course police zogbots do not know this and will ruin your day.
>>537973274No usually they just have to many convictions that they can't get a license so they resort to trying this shit and just make it worse
>>537982620>copsLaw enforcement agents? Isn't it odd how neither you nor the other sovcit retards ever discuss actual law but rather regurgitate your opinion of it? Hmmm...it's almost like a conspiracy or something. Very strange.
>>537983892>It's just your opinion that the US constitution was formally dissolved in 1913Enemy combatant identified
They are low IQ schizo special snowflakes who believe that for some reason the law doesn't apply to them. Just imagine a /pol/cel claiming that when he raped a girl it was legal because he is a special snowflake and in his world rape should be legal.
>>537982464If you want to be free of having car insurance and tags, take the bus. I've already had my car totaled by a nigger with no plates no insurance. My insurance company sent lawyers, took him to court and proceeded to take away all his bank accounts, cars, and money to pay them/me the price of another tesla.I don't actually care if you want to drive around with a big metal label that says "private". I do care when you run into me that you pay for the damages you cause. With almost all "private" auto people, every single one of them does not buy insurance and self-insures. They are then forced to represent themselves in court and are stepped on when the plaintiff takes away their self-insurance deposit.
>>537983047The sovcit modus operandi is to voluntarily cheat and game a voluntary system. lmao Sovcits should become cops so they can become actual sovereign citizens and be endowed with magic powers such as qualified immunity.
>>537984160>I don't actually care if you want to drive around with a big metal label that says "private". I do care when you run into me that you pay for the damages you causeWhy would you think a free society is unable to hold criminals liable for damage? Sounds like you got a jewish cock wedged in your skull.
>>537983340>the enumerated (recognized as pre-existing) right of travel in the US constitution cannot be infringed, so a drivers license is unconstitutionalNope, I've seen videos of this being contested in court. They are not infringing on their right to travel because they can walk or get on a bike to travel. Using a vehicle is operating machinery which requires a license.
>>537983992>dissolvedLike in acid? Never personally been to D.C. but I'm certain the FEDERAL constitution (which you didn't subscribe btw) is still there on display.>https://visit.archives.gov/whats-on/founding-documents
>>537984299Because I live in an area with a lot of niggers who think like this, and are then destroyed in court. Certainly society can handle it, but forcing me to take a day off work so my free attorney (paid by my insurance premiums) can take away your bank account is a bad way of doing things vs having regular auto insurance and state tags. If your car can't pass a state inspection it has no place being driven on state financed roads.
>>537984432>Because I live in an area with a lot of niggers who think like thisThat makes them better people than you. Truly sad.
Redpill me on "actual citizens"
>sovereign citizensI didn't know these were an actual thing besides entitled people thinking rules don't apply to them in traffic stops.
>>537984299>Why would you think a free society is unable to hold criminals liable for damage?Let's say they're poor. How do you get reimbursed by someone who has nothing? (Without insurance)
>>537982062Correct. Sovcits, like cops, do not understand something as simple as the law. No harm, damage, nor loss? The law was not violated.Harm, damage, and/or loss? The law was violated.Super simple concept but when you're trying to generate revenue or voluntarily cheat a voluntary system then the simplest thing becomes overly complicated.
>>537984717it's just schizos
>>537972889jews have some special legal status where they won't get messed with. Soverans try to copy that but they're goyim and don't have a murderous spy network like kikes do.
>>537984761So you essentially want other people who are completely uninvolved with your hypothetical accident to have their wealth redistributed to pay for something that is your problem, and not theirs. A better question is why do you have the right to make your misfortune someone else's problem to pay for?
>>537972889Sovereign citizens are confused libertarians. They recognize that the state has no legitimate authority, but they think that they can nullify it by using their own esoteric magical pseudolaw. The real redpill is realizing that legal positivism is false and that the laws of the state are also magical pseudolaw.
>>537984961I actually agree, there is no magic behind the violence that is going to be required to actually deter the state from governing you
>>537973068Now watch the same man break down and cry like a faggot over the death of another faggot.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQrhEzE7rpQ
>>537982062>lose citizenshipLOL more sovcit bullshit. How can someone lose what they never had? Where the fuck is the legal document that says you're a citizen? I've yet to get a straight, honest answer from you sovcits on that one.
>>537984919The question was "how do you get reimbursed by someone who has nothing" not redistributing wealth from uninvolved parties
>>537972889They're often lolcows, but their hearts are in the right place. I can't hate on them.
>>537985232>(without insurance) meaning without distributing wealth from other people who had nothing to do with the hypothetical accident
>>537985289Meaning there is no insurance involved.
>>537972970It's a huge grift by people who manufacture, promote and publish the legalese word salad, fake licenses and plates, pushing this insanity.The funny thing is, in some locales this is how a lot of niggers with suspended licenses roll, and they get away with it for a very very long time. Woe be to the individual they inevitably crash into though, as they have no insurance, no responsibility, and the courts will never hold them functionally responsible.
>>537984651Always read the old books. At least they were honest about the con unlike these opinionated faggots shitting things up in this thread.
>>537984761Indentured servitude, fuck nut. Duh. It's only been a thing since forever. Dumb shit.
>>537985092Law is supposed to tell you when you *should* be allowed to use violence, enforcement is a separate matter. Since the basis of state law is ultimately subjective, the state cannot rationally justify its violence, it can still enforce its "law" but it can't then argue that it was justified in doing so.>Law comes from force.But force alone can't tell you how it should be used. A and B are fighting over a stick, which one should you stop with force? Without a rational theory of law you can't answer this question.
>>537984717>don't apply to themThis. I see cops driving 5-10 over the speed limit constantly.
>>537985683Indentured servitude to who? They're not even required to show ID. Can't ue em either for the same reason.
>>537984961They should join the American Bar Association so they can make magic new laws whenever it suits them. Bored? Low on fee money? Why not completely renovate a state's legal system? Turn the justice of the peace system into nisi prius courts.
>>537982652You're a moron
>>537972889sovereign citizen isn't real in USA.It flat out doesn't work.Independent of federal law, local state, local county, and local city are allowed to implement any law that is not unconstitutional.One of those laws often argued is right to free movement.Okay yeah sure you can freely move, BUT.You also legally cannot walk on an interstate in my specific state (not sure of other states).So how you "freely travel" must be separate than an interstate method.You must also have a registered vehicle in my city, my country, and my state.Those are three separate laws, not one.Because of how jurisdiction works.If you have an illegal vehicle, you are in the city and get busted, or you move to the county and get busted, or you move across state lines and get busted.No sovereign citizen case has ever held up. Not one citation.What has held up is actually learning your local law and pulling laws from the 1800s that never had an updated ruling.You can do some funky shit and literally take people's land because you are actually in the confines of the law or bypass other laws entirely.The infamous cattle drive citation is the best result.Where farm lands could no longer use their native grazing planes, so a law from the 1800s stated they could take cattle directly through town and no one could stop them.
>>537986339Or better yet, completely abolish the state because of its corrupt nature.
>>537972889>>537972970No, they're just random crackpots who think they can get away with this shit if they spout a lot of nonsesnse.Some of them live in areas where they're tolerated. Anywhere else in the country, while they're "traveling", they get arrested by local cops for not having valid license plates on their cars, then waste everyone's time for a few months before they're forced to pay fines and maybe spend some time in jail.
>>537985466>legalese word saladThis. So much this. Though I will say that sovcits are mediocre bush league compared to the batshit stuff the civilians come up with. Stuff like, "Praesumptio juris dicitur, quae ex legibus introducta est, ac pro veritate habetur; donec probatione aut praesumptione contraria fortiore enervata fuerit."just silly!It was like super weird and stuff.
>>537985856>to whojesus christ you are retarded. you don't deserve satisfaction.
>>537974822>>537982238Nah. NotHaus was just running a private mint, same as hundreds of other places that sell silver coins with cute designs on them, like picrelated the FrensMark.His "crime" was that he made the mistake of using the word "dollar" on them, which suddenly meant OMG HE'S COUNTERFEITING DOLLARS AND THE FEDS HAVE TO CRUSH HIM.Literally that's all it was. If he'd called them "liberty frensmarks" or "liberty euros" or "liberty money" the feds couldn't have done shit to him, at least not legally.
>>537987385They're not required to have an ID or license or a registered vehicle, and they're not required to show it to me or the cop.Who am I supposed to sue?
Bumped for bad legal advice
>>537984299>Why would you think a free society is unable to hold criminals liable for damage?Because the sort of person who actually has a couple hundred grand kicking around to buy someone a new car and pay for extensive hospital care in the event of a motor vehicle collision has enough to lose that they just pay a hundred or two a month for insurance and a hundred bucks a year to register their car. If you fuck someone up in a car crash what are you going to do, ask mom to pay for the damages out of your good boy points?
>>537972889>"sovereign citizens"Its a systemic loophole in the Constitution that the founding fathers left there in the event of a tyrannical government.
>>537991005indeed, but good luck getting any "court" to see it that way. they never will simply because it will invalidate their own power.
