Putin has to end the war as soon as possible to save his own life. A massive shit sandwich is incoming.
>>537999470>>537999522vodkarunes translation
>>537999522>>537999625very optimistic of them to think Ukraine will just let them sue for peace instead of taking back everything
>>537999414Leaked by oinkranian propaganda office :)
>>537999470the absolute pidor cope lmao
>>537999625How's is this a cuckout? This is Russia getting all the land it wants, sanctioned removed and Ukraine's turned into a demoralized zone>>537999798Impotent wishcasting will never not be funny. Ukraine should probably stop losing cities before they plan on taking anything back.
>>537999414fake newspootin is 80 and is gonna nuke china/india
>>538000020>where Kiev>where removed nazi regime >where denazification>where demilitarization
>>538000020you're too clueless to clue in, Ukraine is actually going to defeat Russia in the field, soonand Russia literally won't be able to do a thing, Russia is weaker than USSR culturally, militarily, technologically and economically
>>538000071Russia never once said they wanted Kiev. Getting all the land they wanted is Kiev turned into a demitarized buffer zone is pretty much everything they want. "Denazification" never even made sense.
>>538000121>Ukraine is actually going to defeat Russia in the field, soonOk lmao
>>538000182>Russia never once said they wanted Kiev.lol>Getting all the land they wanted is Kiev turned into a demitarized buffer zone is pretty much everything they want. "Denazification" never even made sense.the mental gymnastics of this oh my
>>538000182>>538000223Ukraine is building up the kind of momentum Russia has been unable to build up at any point of the war and there is nothing Russia can do to stop it or even slow it down, if you were a soldier or a boxer you'd know how extremely dangerous it becomes the moment you're out of balance
>>538000121Like they have been defeating russia "soon" since 2022.People like you are hopeless sheep.
>>537999625This is a complete nothingburger since nothing has changed. This is the same thing they've been asking for. And since we're on year 5 of the war now I'm going to safely bet that this isn't going to go through this time
>>537999414
>>538000339Russia has been unable to build up anything resembling the momentum Ukraines new strategic initiative is building, they're actually pushing Russia out of balance without Russia being able to respond, its actually strategic and deep
>>538000020You're underestimating the power of top tier mass produced drones. Russia will have to cuck out of crimea compketely eventually. That's why Ukraine is cutting off Crimea right now
>>537999414A nothing burger please
>>537999414>amermutts lose and say they won>we can do that toonon-whites truly lack creativity
>>537999414No Crimea, no peace
>>538000549Iran can't follow US home, Ukraine can follow Russia home
Why do Ziggerians even support Putin at this point? Is it some gay thing?
>>537999414I really do not care until it happens.
>>538000612jeji didnt say it was a rational move
>>538000638>Why do Ziggerians even support Putin at this point?at gunpoint, their civilians are disarmed
>>537999414He can't end it. If he ends the war it will be seen as a defeat. If he continues it will be a defeat. He's finished.
>>538000612With what army you retarded nafo tranny?jewlensky's best bet is to beg nafo to invade Russia, without them he won't be able to take anything back. And no, you can't take over cities with drones, tranny
>>538000703Was trying to be charitable and differentiate ziggers from Russians in general, though there's a big overlap.
This scene has some russian actors in it. Is it bad if i watch films with russian actors? Help my moral and political compass please.Is there a Ukrainian equivalent?
>>538000803Russian field presence is literally disintegrating as we speak, Russia has no come nowhere near being able to build any kind of momentum the way Ukraine is doing now for the duration of the entire warthe fact that you can't pick up on this tells us you're from inferior culture and not a soldier, you have to justify your stance here, Russia is using their limited resources for completely useless things with zero strategic meaning while Ukraine is actually going to end Russia
>>537999798LmaoUkraine will never get a better chance to end this war in a better state.If russia is content with what it got Ukraine should held a referendum and if passed, it should accept the offer.Donbabwe and Lug/hansk were gone completely since 2014 and Ukraine gets to keep some if it. Crimea is gone since 2014 and there's no way to get it back.Line of contact in Kherson and Zaporoje is a fair offer.Russia dropping any claims on Odessa should be a great news for xoxols as well.I wish romania would invade Ukraine before everything is said and done.
>>537999522>>537999625This is probably fake, not because it’s propaganda, but because this is a level of mental gymnastics never thought possible even by the Russians, holy shit lmao
>>538000121In 2 weeks I bet
>>538001098you're completely clueless about whats happening in the field, you're from a non-western culture or something since you can't read the map
>>538001144faster than you believe, faggotrussia literally has been unable to do anything similar for the entire duration of the war, you're not a soldier or a fighter, this is completely foreign topic to you
>>537999414Pic would be a win. Should have been agreed upon in 2014. Note that Crimea was never in play.
>>538001221>Note that Crimea was never in play.it is now
>>538000368No this is totally differentNo claim on Odessa No claim on all of Kherson and Zaporoje, just on line of contact No claim on all of Donbabwe or LuganskIf this is true, this would be the first valid russian peace offer and id take it in a heart beat
>>538001261shut up, you fucking retard>>538001145STFU! DIPSHIT!
>>538000612Iran can bomb israel 24/7
>>537999522>>537999625This is omega-tier cope. The only realistic parts are:> the us will lift sanctions, european sanctions will remain in place> frozen funds will be used for reconstruction in ukraineAt the current trajectory Ukraine will not settle for anything less than:> liberation of all occupied territories, including crimea> massive reparation payments from russiaThis is a valid point:> Ukraine will disappear within 10-15 yearsAfter the war ends, Europe will need to continue supporting Ukraine. Without that it will probably collapse and fall into Russia's lap eventually.
>>538001346ok retarded subhuman from non-western culture whos on the losing side
>>538001101Feels like standard shill fare here.
>>537999414>BOBI can't read snow runes.
>>538000020>How's is this a cuckout?kek, shills have already received their update lmao
Did they consult with Dugin?
>>538001101>>538001393Yeah it's completely normal shill fare and not exceptional metal gymnastics at all. The point isn't about believing it anyway, but about saying it. That's how vranyo works.
>>538001098Russia is currently collapsing in freefall
>>538001145Cant you see my flag faggot?What map? The one where russia is slowly taking more territory of Ukraine? State your case and dont tell me drones suddenly are a game changer when the very same drones arent able to keep the russians advancing You type like an eastern euro btw.
>>537999414Why don't you try posting a real, verified Russian document like "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" you cum-gargling fucking homo?
>>538001543>Did they consult with Dugin?or ask for MacGregor for advice again, he seems to always know how Russia can turn things around for Final Victory
>>538001219Whilst you're both a fighter and a soldier lmaoTell me, is crimea getting evacuated?when?
>>538001655>cum-garglingwhy always gay sex talk with russians?
>>538001553>Russia is currently collapsing in freefall
>>538001615>The one where russia is slowly taking more territory of Ukraine?the one where Russia is literally wasting their extremely limited resources for utterly fucking irrelevant pieces of clay while Ukraine is going for deep strategic effect that will directly end the war, subhumanUkraines new approaches immediate side-effects alone are stronger than Russias long-term main efforts direct accumulative effects are in total, Russia is actually getting cooked
>>538001685>Tell me, is crimea getting evacuated?when?yes, its literally being evacuated right now, Putin declared state of emergency in Crimea last week retardfucking subhuman trash, you must be pro-ukrainian merely pretending
>>538001543Kek Dughin wants to fight Ukraine and get half of Moldova tooThat retard should be spat in his dirty mouth, the fucking unwashed nigger.
>>538001553Its free fallin", I betUkraine bout to win ww3 n shiiiet
This war started in 2014 and there is no reason for Russia to get a bad peace deal instead of continuing a proxy fight against America. Best you can hope for is a North Korea/South Korea stalemate.
>>538001925russians make less than tenth of what americans make and are already paying by average over 3x what americans are paying at the gas pump
>>538001660Similar vibe.
>>538001734The free falling will never be the same
>>538002007russia is supposed to be gas producer country, they subsidize their fuel for citizens they're they're already paying multiple times more than the americans are paying at the pump, russia is fucking toast economically, they're poor
The Dossier Center is a non-commercial project by Mikhail Khodorkovsky.An ex-oligarch who was kicked out of Russia.No leaks. A hand-picked media outlet for the oligarch.case closed. Pro-ukranians cant stop lying
>>537999414>trust me broWhy are rightoids so retarded and gullible?
>>538000265You can mock it but Russia has offered several peace agreements over the course of the war, and every time they provided for an Independent Ukraine with free elections. Russia made no permanent territorial claims aside from the Independent Donbas Republics who voted to join the Russian Federation.>>538000392>Russia has been unable to build up anything resembling the momentum Ukraines new strategic initiative is building>they're actually pushing Russia out of balanceIs "Balance" a town? Is there a place Ukraine will actually push Russia out of permanently? Or is Ukraine making another hype video for a 6th failed offensive in which they'll force conscripts to march into a minefield?>>538000612>Iran can't follow US homeIran controls the straight and can bomb the US' suzeraine state.>Ukraine can follow Russia homeDespite having unlimited access to NATO arsenals and ISR, they have been unable to do so for 5 years.>>538000638>Why do Ziggerians even support Putin at this point?Because he defends ethnic Russians from Western aggression and has dramatically improved the welfare systems and other domestic conditions.>>538000931>Russian field presence is literally disintegratingQuantify that. It's a meaningless statement as is.>momentumWhat does this even mean?>Ukraine is doing now for the duration of the entire war?Doing what? And doing it just now or for the whole war? Why is the battle line moving west? Why does Russia take a new fortress city every year and why doesn't Ukraine ever take a fortress city?>Russia is using their limited resources for completely useless things with zero strategic meaningCan you give an example, or are you just hoping to redefine every Ukrainian loss as being meaningless?
>>538001954Russia stands to lose a lot more now than Ukraine
>>538001773Ill entertain you.So ruskies pack up and leave Crimea because drones (lmao) (if they can evacuate they can resupply)How is ukraine going to get back donbabwe and lugank? By droning Crimea again?
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>>538002120it's unreal how hard you try lmao
>>538001773it's always like this with ukrainefinal victory is always just around the corner. crimea beach party, invading russia proper, there's always some last trick they need to pull off before it ends, but it never ends
>>538002120>Quantify that. It's a meaningless statement as is.>What does this even mean?in south, where Ukraine is concentrating their medium range drones, they're successfully interdicting over 70% of *all* Russian military logistics, thats actually war ending when sustained, it will spike Russian casualties extremely hard if they try to fight without equipment or supplies Russia can't do bare minimum of what Soviet doctrine calls for this kind of fighting
>>538002186>So ruskies pack up and leave Crimea because drones (lmao)no, they'll fucking die because the enemy will show up *after* they run out of weapons to fight backSTRATEGIC EFFECTS
>>538000020Sanctions and drone bombing will continue until total Zigger death.Putin made those 4 oblasts core Russian territories in their constitution and they barely fully control 1 of it.
>>538002219>it's always like this with ukrainesubhuman nigger kike, at the beginning it was "I am sure they'll win in the end", now I am seeing the action that leads to victory and can even see how before it happens, I have read military history for over 20 years, this is strategically significant
>>538001831Feels like the Russian Varg, though they might not get along. He's more for entertainment.
>>537999625OH NO NO NO you dont understand, we just tried to take the city for no reason
>>538000182>Russian made up reasons for their imperialistic war make no sense at allOh see it's learning
>>538002258Not to mention the Ukraine attacks have destroyed 25%+ (conservative estimate) of Russia's oil production. Russia's economy is going to fold in on itself before this war ends
>>538000121Turn off VPN smelly, you disgrace the flag with your poison
>>538002449you not being from a western culture and not understanding war doesn't convince us
>>538002351Yeah, a russian supremacist lmaoVargovsky Dughin, Heil Gitler, comrades!
>>538002068Russia isn't running out of fuel for their soldiers, the problem is that the ruble is trash and that's a problem for civilians. The Ukrainian population without the russian speakers who would never fight for them is less than 30 million, Russia has a 6x population advantage, this is before counting their puppet states in central asia and belarus, then the army of indians eager to be anywhere but india. The ukrainian method of copying russian wave warfare has always been a failure because they lack the manpower b ecause europoops won't enlist to die in the trenches of donbassia. Retardless of how long western money can keep the war going, it will inevitably grind to a halt when there is simply no manpower left for great offensives and it becomes a stalemate more than it already is with either side gaining or losing a few miles for years or even decades. The only purpose the war serves is to waste russian time since 2022 to enable US-Israel to take out Syria (2024) and Lebanon (2026) without Russia able to intervene for its allies.
>>538002155Sure, only time will tell, I think we're in a long war, like decades of this crap going back and forth.
https://dossier-center.appspot.com/about/a link for niggers who like links and a lot of bullshit articles
>>537999414The war will end when ukraine demographics are irreversibly changed forever. Now that that's all but completed, they'll start working on an "ending" to the war. Ukraine won the war but lost the battle. Any semblance of homogeny is all but eradicated. That isn't ukraine anymore. It's just another immigrant colony.
>>538002258>in south, where Ukraine is concentrating their medium range drones, they're successfully interdicting over 70% of *all* Russian military logistics>According to Ukraine>No timeframe>No defined area>Therefore the war is imminently about to turn around>And we can extrapolate from there that Russia is going to start losing and therefore will loseHow is Ukraine going to accomplish a military >Russia can't do bare minimum of what Soviet doctrine calls for this kind of fightingIf we accept that this 70% of all logistics figure is true, then why hasn't Ukraine turned this into gained territory or a favorable casualty ratio? And even with a favorable casualty ratio, how is a nation of under 20 million supposed to win a war of attrition against a nation of 300 million?The "momentum" you're talking about in decisive terms is a vaguepost that has resulted in long lines for civilians in a gas station in territory that Russia seized from Ukraine during this conflict.
>>538001098>ContentNo they're not content, they are just exhausted, they just believe that the current combat line can be spun as a win to justify their massive losses and they're hoping to maintain any gains, because they know they will find it difficult to gain any more.They have ultimately fought to a point where they cannot continue, and are hoping they can eek out an ad hoc justification for the war to justify losing, and hoping Ukraine is also too exhausted to keep the war going further.
>>538002295>Russians are going to run out of weapons and then we'll kill them allRussia is outproducing the entirety of NATO in most munitions categories and is backed by China and North Korea's MICs as well. They have most of human manufacturing capacity in their alliance.
>>538002517>Russia has a 6x population advantageand once russian field armies have been blasted into kingdom come and no longer are on ukrainian soil the fighting stops because russia no longer has a field army, back to square 1, literally pre-war starting positionsmanpower is irrelevant when you actually wipe out the field formations in quick order
Cool graph to keep in mind for Nordic flags on here.https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2025/06/23/views-of-russia-and-putin-2025/
>>538000265What the lol for?show us where they stated that
>>538000297lol retard
>source is some guy who wants to get rid of putlerok?So we're just making up documents to spam on /pol/ to get people mad about something?
>>538002641>nation of 300 million145million.Russians lie as they breathe.
>>538002715if that was true the war would've been over because Russia would've been able to do what the Ukrainians are now doing Russians are the one playing catchupAre you a fucking Ukrainian playing retard?
>>538002782Russia has been literally unable to do what Ukrainians are doing now, for the first time in years
>>538002744LolPure BS
>>538002849who told you that?
>>538002342>I read books>I feel more hyped now than I did before>I read a Ukrainian blog that made vague claims about behavior which could potentially lead to victory if it expands and Russia never reacts to itLast year you were saying the same thing about Ukrainian victories east of the current line. Next year you'll be saying the same thing about Ukrainian victories west of the current line.
>>538002641subhuman kike trash the war has been going for 4+ years, if you're not following the news it doesn't convince us of your positions strength that you literally know *NOTHING*
>>538002855It's not his fault that you are brown.
>>538002888>who told you that?I am the expert, I form my own opinions based on military reports and actually looking at the map
>>538002793ex russian oligarch
>>538002891this is the first time in 4 years this is happening, Russia has been unable to do anything similar past 4 years, its actually big, I am the fucking military expert in this room, I've seen what you retards have to say
>>538002413>Ukraine attacks have destroyed 25%+ (conservative estimate) of Russia's oil production.China's imports of Russian oil alone account for more oil exports from Russia than they had in total before the war. So no, 25% offline is not a conservative estimate.
>>538002948what military reports are you getting?
>>538002987Birds of Magyar
>>538002855Supporting Russia here is like throwing a Nazi salute in Germany. Complete cultural faux pas. Doubt Norway, Denmark and Finland are very different.
>>538003008our pro-russia politicians are fleeing to russia and leaving their debts unpaid
>>538002732but what is ukraine going to do if it has the donbas back? Genocide all the russian citizens?
>>538002517Russia's demographics are a totally fucked though. Even if they have 6x for now. Between emmigration, war deaths, economic crush, etc They've peaked. Future generations will be smaller than the one before until it hits some much lower, stable median decades from now. Russians are totally overemploying because they no longer have enough people to normally sustain what they did before
>>538003058we'll cross that bridge when we come to it
>>538003045Probably a net win still.
>>537999414The war is over, blackrpck gained 50% of ukranian land and the jews are ready to flee to ukraine and build their jew utopia protected by ai drones, they will rule the goyim from their new lands
>>538002998So Ukrainian propaganda is your military reports?Okay retard, back to k/ope
>>538002732>and once russian field armies have been blasted into kingdom comeWhen will this start happening? Right now, Russia's military hasn't even mobilized the 1 Million conscripts it has ready.> the fighting stops because russia no longer has a field armyRussia's SMO force right now is volunteer only. Before you fantasize about total destruction of the Russian Armed forces, you have to look forward to them declaring war and deploying their actual million-man military instead of ~300k men.>manpower is irrelevantNo>when you actually wipe out the field formations in quick orderUkraine has 2.4 Million dead. Russia has ~400k permanent casualties.
>>538003131>>538003132you not understanding something isn't a compelling argument :)
>>538002980>no numbers>magically though Russia is actually producing more oil than ever despite 20% of refineries being blown upif you say so slav-kun
>>538002805Ah yeah, been talking about the US a lot lately got confused. Sorry, Russia is only 7x the population of Ukraine, which is not a significant advantage at all you pedantic bitch.
>>538003081They've gained population in this war from the territory captured
>>538003058>but what is ukraine going to do if it has the donbas back?what Stalin did to CEE forcibly relocate entire populations behind their respective bordersno more pidor in ukraine = no more russian problem just like the krauts were deported to the other side of the Oder and Poles were deported from former eastern Poland after WW2
>>538002732>manpower is irrelevant when you actually wipe out the field formations in quick order
>>538002911He seems very well informed and I follow it every day. You’re just a globohomo cheerleader. This seems like bullshit too, I doubt a top secret Kremlin document was leaked by Ukraine or anyone else. This is Ukrainian globohomo theater bullshit before they attempt some failed stunt, just like has happened throughout this war.
>>538003219*across not behindsorry for the ESL moment
>>538003282I mean what is show in OP is clearly a Russian defeat yeah?
>>538002980Volume doesn't say much since China gets it pretty much for free with great discounts while Europe paid market prices.
>>538003203Russia has lost more ethnic russians then they've gained through the oblasts
>>538003270yes, the "troops" (civilians) back home don't matter if your field army of million men have already been sent to Kingdom Come, losing all the ground, literally sending you back to pre-war square one positionyou're starting from scratch against enemy much better prepared now, trying again with much less
>>538002808>if that was true the war would've been overIt is true and the war isn't over, despite your vague post. Russia's production capabilities regarding drones and artillery and medical supplies are a large reason for the discrepancy in fatalities. Professional militaries like Russia leverage tools to inflict casualties (artillery and drones produce most casualties) and then have systems of frontline hospitals and CASEVAC to recover casualties. Ukraine does not have artillery production sufficient for the war, and does not attempt to recover casualties. This is also why Ukrainian "defections" outpace casualties. The only way for a commander to get lifesaving treatment for his men is to surrender to the Russians. These surrenders are counted as desertion because the anti-Ukrainian Jewish tyrant wants Ukrainians to die.
>>538003058That was already done by Putin himself when they even conscripted 80 year olds and pushed them in the grinder. The few babushkas still alive will die very soon.
>>538003431you're a joke, you're not an expert, get lost retard
>>538003431>russia>CASEVAClol, lmao and ya yebal nahuy roflmao
>>538003431If Russia is winning so hard why would it even consider a ceasefire.The reality is that no, it is not.Russia does not use CASEVAC lmfao are you kidding me.Europe also produces more 155mm this year, get over it.
>>538002972>Military expert>Reading books and consuming modern propagandaThat's not expertise. What wars have you won?>Ukraine claims to have disrupted logistics in an undefined period of time on an undefined area of battlefield>This is happening for the first time in the warThat doesn't sound like winning.
>>538003581>>538003589Does Ukraine casevac?
>>538003465>an anon who is pointing out what is obviously happening according to the evidence and how the war has progressed is full of shit >trust globohomo anti-White male trannies instead No, you cringe NAFO fucks have been wrong this entire war.
>>538003610you not understanding the basics isn't the argument you think it is, kike
>>538001101truth does not exist in russia this is par for the course anonwhatever complaints you have about the western hemisphere -- russia is far worse on every one
>>5379994142 more weeks
>>538003655>No, you cringe NAFO fucks have been wrong this entire war.except about drones
>>538003610>What wars have you wonConsider that there are probably only 40 people alive that can say they've won a war personally, I feel like your complaint is including yourself too.
>>538003655>this entire war.you retarded subhuman fuck I am literally talking about something becoming observable just now, just the very few past weeks, not observable beforefucking retarded subhuman trash
>>538003637>Does Ukraine casevac?tu quoque>"And you are lynching Negroes" is a famous catchphrase that refers to a standard Soviet tu quoque propaganda tactic used during the Cold Wartl,dr: whataboutism
>>538003589>if Russia is winning so hard why would they consider a ceasefire That’s the thing anon, the supposed leaked documents in this thread are bullshit and you fell for a Ukrainian globohomo jew scam.
>>538002732does this retard thinks that the russians are marching in square formations with muskets?
>>538003803someone call this subhuman an ambulance
>>538003704>drones What? Literally everyone talked about how drones were gonna be a huge deal when this war got started. Dealing with you lying pieces of shit is like pulling teeth from a crocodile.
>>538003155>20% of refineries being blown up20% have been struck. How many had to stop production? And for how long? How quickly were they repaired? Why doesn't China have gas shortages?>>538003334>Volume doesn't say muchIt directly contradicts the claim.>>538002998>I'm a military expert who can speak authoritatively on this subject>My source is that I regurgitate twitter accoutns by rogue terror units of the UAFRobert Bovdi is the guy who keeps launching attacks at energy infrastructure targeting Hungary so he can expand the war. He's a busienssman war profiteering off a commission, no differently from the Palantir execs who bought US miltiary ranks.
>>538003842it took a rather long time for drones to show any kind of strategic effect beyond attriting army thats stuck in its place
>>538003842when war started only ukraine used drones in the beginning, bombing on russian columns with bayraktar. russia didnt use any. took time before russia started using. took the big retreat first.
>>538003693All Russians are living in a fantasy world far from reality.
>>538003923xdddd look at this nigger
>>538003759That has nothing to do with his question. You’re quoting decades old shit like some kind of globohomo glownigger who got fresh training. >ur enemies will hold your strategic ambiguities against you No fucking shit, retard. It’s why none of us wanted a gigantic nigger loving and worshipping industry in the U.S. we didn’t want demographic replacement and erasure to happen, with our communities and states being destroyed in the process. But apparently those ol Soviets were just too heckin good at power of persuasion and they forced 80 years of Globohomo policy huh
>>538003219>We're fighting for the right of Jews to deny Ukrainian people the right of self-determination and genocide RussiansOkay, well, I'm not siding with you then.
>>538003939>>538003929They were using Lancet drones at the beginning of the war. They had them before the war even started. Why do you butthurt belters lie so much?
>>537999625No chance Ukraine will give up the heavily fortified Donetsk cities, maybe they might agree to partition along the current LOC, maybe.
>>538004038>Okay, well, I'm not siding with you then.an irreparable loss for the Ukrainian war effort, John Hambuger from Ohio Oblastbe sure to call your congressman about cancelling support to Ukraine
>>538004038Exactly. Those kind of people are always siding with evil globohomo jews to make sure ethnic Ukrainians are sacrificed. It’s up to 2.4 million of those poor dudes now. And it’s all so they can be replaced with pajeets and sandniggers after the war is over. They are the height of evil.
>>538004167>some glownigger on a base in Poland did the John from X Oblast line again! Damn this really is gonna sway how we feel bro, for sure.
>>538004238your ESL is worse than mine, Alyoshabut unlike you I'm not hiding behind a fake flag
>>538004048>They were using Lancet drones at the beginning of the war.>Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022.>On 8 June 2022, Russian defence corporation Rostec announced that Lancet and KUB drones were deployed during the ongoing Russian invasion of Ukraine.[14] A month later, the first video of their combat use in Ukraine emerged.[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZALA_Lancet#Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
>>538003371>Russia has lost more ethnic russians then they've gainedRussia has lost less than half a million men in this war, and many of those were mercenaries and penal batalions. The population of the Donbas Republics, and the Ukrainians who fled to Russia, are over ten million.>>538003404>the "troops" (civilians) back home don't matter if your field army of million men have already been sent to Kingdom ComeRussian troops in the SMO are capped around ~300k. That's why volunteers are still getting turned away. Russia has not had 1 million fatalities in the current war. Nowhere close. Russia has 1 million conscripts in its military right now who are trained and equipped and could be added to the war.>you're starting from scratch against enemy much better prepared nowEven in the scenario you described, the Ukrainian military is not better prepared now than it was when it launched the first offensive. That's why it's not launching offensives anymore.>>538003581>lol, lmao and ya yebal nahuy roflmaoAccording to western sources, Russia has 1.4 million casualties, and ~300k fatalities. That's 1.1 million casevacs. At a 2:3 ratio for recovered casualties, that matches normal performance for CLS operations.>>538003589>If Russia is winning so hard why would it even consider a ceasefire.Because Russia's objectives are for an independent but demilitarized Ukraine to own the west of the Dniepr river. That's been the stated objective since forever. "A secure border is one with Russians on both sides" is a mantra Russians have been saying a long time.>Russia does not use CASEVAC lmfao are you kidding me.Next time you and buttbuddies are posting gore of maimed Russian fighters, ask yourself how they got home after their injury.>>538003659>kikeAll of your delusional copes are centered around siding with and promoting Jewish control of Ukraine for the ethnic cleansing of Whites in the Donbas. Against a nation that Jews are fleeing.
>>538003707>I feel like your complaint is including yourself too.I'm not claiming to be an expert. I'm pointing out really basic observations available to everyone which counter the narrative he's spinning. His argument rests entirely on an appeal to expertise he can't support.>there are probably only 40 people alive that can say they've won a war personallyYemenis, Koreans, Vietnamese, Afghanis, and Iranians have all defeated Americans this generation.
>>538004320also took until late of first year to show multiple vids as proofwhile ukraine had been flooding vids of using drones from the very seconds they got their first drones at beginning In late 2022, multiple videos appeared on social networks showing Lancet drones striking a variety of Ukrainian military targets, such as air defence systems, self-propelled howitzers, tanks and military trucks.
>>538003923The Moscow Oil Refinery is offline for at least a year and alone accounted for 4.5% of all Russian oil production. The one hit today is another 1%. Russia only has about 85 refineries in total. And about 20 of those have been hit.
>>537999625>jewish puppet theatrePutin is no different than zelensky, if he actually wanted to win he would've carpet bombed kyiv into oblivion ages ago
Now do me a favor. Drop these links in your comments wherever you go here today. I think something... Of it. I got mad and wanted to do some damage. It should halp the slow ones in the back.>>537996816And the smarties really pissed me off>>537893136And a treat.https://vocaroo.com/1j6yLddlO5p1
>>538003929>it took a rather long time for drones to show any kind of strategic effect beyond attriting army thats stuck in its placeRussian observers commented on the use of drones in the Nagorno-Karabakh war, where the Azeri's used them to much greater effect than you're describing. That's why Russia started a drone program and had it online in time for the Ukraine war. It's also the reason that Ukrainians were so quick to adapt the tactic and play catchup with Russia. Many of the military commanders on both sides of the conflict are literal cousins who have both worn USSR uniforms during their careers.>>538003939>when war started only ukraine used drones in the beginningThis is incorrect.>russia didnt use any. This is incorrect. Go back to the start of the war and you'll read articles where Ukrainians had their drones hijacked on launch by Russian EW. That's how ahead Russia was when the war started. Ukrainians rapidly caught up, but by the time Ukraine had EW units, Russia was already rolling out fiber optic drones.>took the big retreat first.You refer to Russia's withdrawal from the Kiev blitz, in which they encircled Kiev 2 days into the war. Ukraine initialed a peace agreement, and Russia withdrew as a measure of goodwill, not under fire. Then Boris Johnson flew in and promised unlimited NATO support, and Kiev resumed the war, resulting in the current conflict.
>>538003711You write like a spastic /k/oper spreg who’s too emotionally invested.
>>538004167The son of the Deputy Director of the CIA gave up a cushy life to die fighting for Russia. Americans are experiencing a religious revival specific to Russian Orthodoxy. The issue here is that your behavior is so demonic, people are turning to God. I'm really not interested in helping Jews genocide Russians and Ukrainians. I find it bizarre that you didnt' even attempt to counter that part of the argument. I take it you're on board for that plan? Why? Poles big fans of Jews?
>>538004820Russia sucks because of people like you. Not valuing honesty and liking to provoke is not any less arbitrary than wanting to spread joy. It leads to poor group fitness since cooperation is useful.
>>538004315Pathetic shill
>>538004879If you weren't useless you could just read the map instead of trying to guess like a fucking useless retard
>>538000020Don't kid yourself, sanctions won't be ever removed until 1991 borders are restored, Cucktin stands in front of the International Criminal Court, and the russia pays 1 trillion in reparations.
>>538005125Go to bed Pekka. You’re embarrassing yourself.
>>538004320>>538004657>Russian drones aren't real because they practice basic OpSec instead of posting gore to Discord ASAP.Somebody post the Reddit brigade screencap where they caught a missile within an hour of arguing online that it wasn't an OpSec violation.>>538004737>The Moscow Oil Refinery is offline for at least a year>Reuters>Anonymous sources sayLet's take this as true and the other one you're not naming. You've retreated from 25% offline to 5% offline. For a nation that mostly exports the oil, this is not a long term problem. If Russia decides they're in trouble, they have a massive amount of escalation available to them. They can ban export, deploy another 1 million men, increase conscription, require factories to work 24/7, and start turning major cities into Gaza, all before we discuss nuclear. These options will be exercised if the war turns against Russia, because it is an existential conflict for Russia and Russians. They haven't taken those measures. Therefore, they're not interpreting their refinery situation as critical or war ending or anything like that. I think you're placing too much trust in Ukrainian propaganda.
>>538005271You guys absolutely can't do Nordics.
>>538004978>Russia sucks because of people like you.I'm not Russian.>Not valuing honestyPoint to a lie.
>>538001098it's pretty Russia can't cause the collapse of Ukraine.it's not clear that Ukraine can't cause the collapse of Russia.
>>538005446Never said you were. Are you that Chinese guy?
>>538005538>Russia can't cause the collapse of Ukraine.Ukraine has half the population it started with, and the largest group of those fled to Russia. Ukraine has also lost its resource producing regions including Crimea. All that remains of Ukraine is a hole that money disappears in, governed by a Tyrannical Jew kept in power by foreign finance, whose sole objective is the ethnic cleansing of the ~19 million Ukrainians stil left in the region.
>>538005580>Are you that Chinese guy?Not Chinese either. What are you?
>>538000925There was a great vid, findable if you search for "pisshunter parking lot", where on the day of one of Russia's "victory" parades some guy set up a camera just off to the side of a parking lot in some brush where the celebrating Russian women were going to go piss (because not enough or maybe not any porta-potties).He must have used something like a Nikon D900, because he got perfectly clear video of a couple of dozen Russian women pulling their pants off and pissing all over the mud-patch where all the previous women had pissed.It's ok to watch videos like that because none of the women got paid. Instead, their pussies are all out there for the world to see and they can't do anything to stop people from watching them piss.
>>538005633>whose sole objective is the ethnic cleansing of the ~19 million Ukrainians stil left in the region.russia wanted to annex ukraine tens of millions of population to itself because of low birth rate. it cant do mass immigration, ukrainians were as close as russians as they could get. strategic objective was denied. now there is nothing. just infinite civil war. as russia calls ukrainians as russians, it is civil war, according to russians themselves.
>>538000931>Russia has no come nowhere near being able to build any kind of momentum the way Ukraine is doing now for the duration of the entire warWell, at least not since about the first three months. It looked really bad for Ukraine back then.I mean, it's still really bad, but back then it looked like the ziggers were going to take the whole country and rape and massacre half the population like they did in Bucha.
>>538001691They can't stop thinking about dicks.
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>>538005724Ethnic Swede. Ethnic Nordics are in a minority under Nordic flags here.
>>538005813>Well, at least not since about the first three months. It looked really bad for Ukraine back then.>I mean, it's still really bad, but back then it looked like the ziggers were going to take the whole country and rape and massacre half the population like they did in Bucha.putin wanted peace because they got raped though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_negotiations_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war_(2022%E2%80%93present)#Early_negotiations_(February%E2%80%93April_2022) However, as Russia's position on the battlefield worsened, its negotiating terms became less demanding.[43] The Russians failed in their attempt to seize Kyiv, taking heavy casualties and being forced to retreat.[44][45] After this, the Russians were ready to discuss the status of Crimea.[43][46][47]
>>538005980all western flags are brown until proven jewish
>>538003436This. A lot of the people who are in the Russian-controlled territories now are Central Asians who took up Putin's offer of free apartments and free only-slightly-covered-with-UXO land to resettle there.
>>538006008There's a Danish flag in /uhg/ who's actually a MENA immigrant at least. Usually it's VPNs. Syria I think. Likes to spazz out to take out his aggressions whenever things go to shit for Russia. He's more for entertainment.
>>538003431>Professional militaries like RussiaNigger wat? Wat, nigger?The "professional military" that was grabbing men off the streets and shoving them into frontline trenches with zero training and zero equipment?The "professional military" that offered pardons to murderers, drug addicts, and even two separate cannibal rapist-murderers, if they would sign contracts to join "Storm-Z" meatwave assault groups and managed to survive doing those assaults for six months?https://novayagazeta.eu/en/articles/2023/11/23/cannibal-released-from-russian-prison-to-fight-in-ukraine-en-news>[Russians] have systems of frontline hospitals and CASEVAC to recover casualties.Really? This is the same military that's sending troops who are literally missing limbs back to the frontlines so that they'll get killed so that Russia doesn't have to pay anything more for them, and you're saying the ziggers engage in serious CASEVAC medical treatment?Meanwhile, Ukraine has been rather famously sending its more seriously-wounded soldiers to German hospitals for treatment and therapy. . . .
>>538005737Thanks
>>538003923>20% have been struck.Nigger, see >>538005874 there are a grand total of FOUR refineries that HAVEN'T been hit, and those are all SMALL ONES in the extreme far Eastern Siberian regions.Ukraine just blew up Moscow's main refinery last week and it's going to be offline for six months minimum. Today they hit the last semi-functional refinery near Crimea to further starve the Crimean Peninsula of any more attempts to send fuel there -- see the very nice vidrelated I'm providing for your edification.
>>538006008As a Czech, you don't want to be part of the West, nor consider your country a part of the West now?Wow, your ancestors must be spinning in their graves, considering what Russia did to Czechoslovakia.
>>538000020How many people died trying to conquer Karkhiv?
>>538000182>Russia never once said they wanted KievYou niggers are truly tiresome
>>538006682No people died on the attempting-to-conquer side, just ziggers.
>>538006920
Seems like the last thing you'd defend as a Russian patriot is the leadership. Maybe there's good food or fairy tales or some shit.
>>537999625So they're planning on persuing their already stated war goals.Please explain how this is any different than the Anchorage agreement?
>>537999798They already tried that remember?
>>538006920Stop listening to women you fucking retard.
>>538006578>Ukraine just blew up Moscow's main refinery last week and it's going to be offline for six months minimum. So Zelensky has spies.on the ground doing inspections? Why do you nafo faggots even bother?
>>538004820>Go back to the start of the war and you'll read articles where Ukrainians had their drones hijacked on launch by Russian EWThats impossle and you are a faggot
>>538005874>if they were to stop completelyIf I were a billionaire >>5380065782025 vibes
>>537999864>Leaked by oinkranian propaganda office :)Clearly this. Hohols are mass losing across all fronts. They need to spin anything.
>>538000121>>538000297>Ukraine is actually going to defeat Russia in the field, soonInteresting hohol jew on a finnish VPN. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat ???HAHAHAHHAHAHA :)))))>>538000392>Russia has been unable to build up anything resembling the momentum Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat???Right now Ukraine is mass losing on all Fronts. Right now. What are you, hohol propaganda agents, trying to SPIN?
Russia have imported many niggers and sand niggers, they want to rebuild a youthful military of these shitskins and then attempt another retake of ukraine in another decade or two.Mariupol is filled with sand niggers and dagestanis, it was previously home to the most ardent natsoc wing of azov so it's obviously on purpose.I'd say unless europe become nationalist and fast, we are looking at complete destruction ethnocide and complete white-euro replacement.
>>538000638>>538000703Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat?? Russia is 1) doesn't have a draft, they have a PROFESSIONAL ARMY. 2) professional army WANTs to kill hohols, and now to kill NATO agents.>at gunpointHohols are at gunpoint. What are you SPINNING here, hohol glowing agent?
>>538000931HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA :))))))))))))))) Ukrainian field presence is literally disintegrating as we speak, nobody is buying your lies here.
>>538001543Dugin is irrelevant, and is pushed by hohols and western glowies. Which one are you?
>>538008214In REALITY though ,UK has imported many niggers and sand niggers.
>>538008295"Hohol" among non-shills ain't gonna happen. Ethnic Swede.
>>538007238>>538006376This is a badly translated english, clearly a hohol jew on a swedish VPN.
>>538007805No, Ukraine droned the shit out of the refinery, and even got some help from one of the local drunken vatniks who fired an antiaircraft missile into a fuel storage tank.Here, you can see one of the drones against the black smoke in the first few seconds, then you get to watch the incompetent vatnik defender blowing up Moscow's gasoline supply. It's a glorious video.
>>538008349Yes but they will all fuck off home once war starts here and move to the next welfare state they even admit as much, shitskins in russia are there to fight the war because Putin has intertwined Russia into multiculturalism now.
>>537999798this is your brain on nato propaganda.the people there was to be russian.
>>538008449What I've actually seen is shills under Swedish flags messing up articles (a/the), which we'd never do, since we have them, unlike Slavic languages.
>>538008259>nobody is buying your lies here.et tu brutus>>538008449>clearly a Russian jew on an American VPN.fixed
>>538008451You are stupid faggot. A big giant fuel tank can be welded together in a few weeks. Unlike ukraine Russia produces steel.
>>537999414>new pidorkraine shilling material number 155640126032Totally real this time, mongoloid pidors never lie.
>>538007268hello VPN shill :)
>>538009841how much fuel is currently in your car's tank?
>>538009297How about the rest of the refinery that was getting the shit bombed out of it by drones?Does Russia produce its own catalytic cracking units? You know, the ones that got giant holes blown in them? Oh, they import those from Europe? How's that going for them nowadays?
>>538009841Why don't you explain to us why Russia recently restricted exports of diesel and jet fuel Ivan?
>>537999414Whos to say Ukraine will even accept their surrender now?
>>538005347Russia IS in trouble. Even Putin has acknowledged that. Yes I understand Russia can deploy nukes. They even think that they can nuke neighboring countries like Croatia or Poland and the US wouldn't nuke in return, and maybe they're right. But ultimately it's really quite simple anon. Escalating a war is not de-escalating a war. Ukrainians have lost everything. Ukrainians will make sure that they drag Russia down with them. And Russia can try and make sure that they drag other countries down with them. But ultimately they're going down if they don't rethink this war. And if they don't decide soon and continue to sustain BILLIONS of dollars in economic damages they will find themselves unable to do anything else. Maybe you think I think in binary terms where there must always be a winner and loser. But the truth is there will be no winners if Russia continues to escalate like you're suggesting.
>>538013410>BILLIONS of dollars in economic damagesMy brother in Cthulhu, you are not thinking on the proper scale.I once assisted in causing billions of dollars in economic damage to a Fortune 50 company here in the U.S. (I am rather proud of this, they deserved it.) A billion isn't all that much even for major companies, though.Russia is suffering TRILLIONS of dollars in economic damages.
>>538013582Billions was mainly in the context of the Moscow Oil Refinery. Which every year it's offline is ~8.5 billion dollars in oil not being produced and sold + whatever GDP lost from the economic activity that would have happened otherwise.
russkies took two more cities today. They seem to be rolling up one shitty village A DAY Doll.Kiev or BUST
Ukranny lost 40 % of its population since 2021. Tell me one country that lost so many people in a single war, let alone one that claims to be winning after that kek
>>538000040Please Putin do it. I cannot take it anymore.
>>538015236They aren't "lost", they're mostly in Poland, Germany, the USA, Canada, and other countries that accepted them as war refugees.
>>538008259>:)))))))))))))))Confirmed for lakthabot on a VPN. I will buy your sister and mother for a sack of potatoes once this is over
Guys, I just want to knowDoes Ukraine have another major drone swarm attack up their sleeve?Ukraine took a beating in this war but if I was in their position I wouldn't know when to stop sending drones to Moscow other than budget reasons and the time needed to manufacture.
i'll believe it when it happens. theres been so much misinformation during this war its insane. keyboard warrior is truly an understated term when it comes to disinfo and intel in general. next to drone warfare, this is another big shift in modern wars
>>537999414>>537999470>>537999522>>537999625>new hoholwood fanfic just droppedgenre: comedy, fantasy
