It is literally cheaper to build an entire home from scratch, set up all the electrical stuff to code, get all the permits and pay for all the equipment than it is to buy any home in the entirety of the united states continent currently older than a decade.
Lets do itLets build a fucking HOME
>>538014713So all i need is $272,000 to build a home instead of buy one for $275,000?
>>538014713Yea lots of older homes are designed retardedly and use shitty materials
>>538014844You can do it, I've built lots of them. Don't worry, if you make a mistake the inspectors will let you know.
>>538014892That's what that means. Building is still expensive just not as expensive as buying a used one from a boomer
>>538014713They need to make smaller homes, but keep the same size yards as bigger homes so people can enjoy outside.
Not a surprise retards will pay anything to live in current location.Building can be easy
>>538014713New homes are usually in ugly suburbs, with ugly immature landscaping, trees. Established neighborhoods demand more.
>>538014713New homes aren't made in places people want to live. All new construction I see is in the middle of nowhere and copy pasted houses.
>>538014892assuming you already own a space of land large enough for said house
>>538015138why don't they lower the price then?
Unless you can build it entirely by hand yourself the contractor's Mexicans will build you a plywood 'house' that won't even last 10 years before everything falls apart.
>>538014713New builds fucking suck, that's why. Materials are cheap chink shit that lasts only a few years, modern style is jewish slop and everything is built by shitskins who do a half arsed job.
>>538015179I mean your OP is implying that they are crashing.
>>538015179Ahahahahahhahahhaaaaa! Good one anon
Split up the hedge funds. JFC. Use those anti trust laws, you corrupt fucks
>>538015138goy plot housing is for you
New homes today are made to such an embarassingly low standard. We would have crack heads running 1 story house water that Id have to completely cut out and replace
>>538015138this. I doubt it's about build quality. Old houses are a fucking pain usually. location location, etcI built rather than buy. Was only option for my money
>>538015095Building Code may not allow it.
>>538015196cant build your own home without a license which requires 4 years in the industry but some Paki who notches all the studs gets his work signed off when the 'inspector' shows up to site for five minutes to rubber stamp the frame then drives to the next site.
>>538015138Only 7% of americans live in track homes (or 13% if your definition is very loose). 83% of Americans live in cities, in glass skyscrapers, limestone prewars or brick townhomes
>>538015196They do suck, but so do old homes. Every time I've been to an open house, they are riddled with bullshit>layout that makes no sense; when you open the front door it opens into a bathroom on staircase right in front of you>Roof is fucked>Laundry is outside, exposed to the elements>Electrical box is illegal/not up to code>Termites>moldy/nonexistent insulation, single-paned glass meaning air conditioning is inefficient and expensive>Random parts of the floor are sinking/unevenI literally just tagged along with a friend who was looking to buy a house and EVERY non-new build was like this.
>>538015558Sure, but if you're buying a place in the city it's probably not gonna be new construction. That's my point.
>>538015501>cant build your own home without a license which requires 4 years in the industrywhat? that's crazy what you people put up with. You can DIY everything here but the power hookup. Passing plumbing inspection in my state is crazy hard though.
I get constant lowball offers to buy my house and even door to door solicitors representing house flipping companies knocking on my door but I'll never sell.Meanwhile my neighbors across the street who were renting had to move out after their lease. The guy who owns the property had the house knocked down and is currently building another one in the same lot. He kicked out a family and demolished a perfectly functional old Floridian home to build a cookie cutter house just so he can rent it out for slightly more. I don't understand these "people" and their supposed business acumen.
>>538014892What a deal! And you only need to wait a year for it to be built.
>>538015564Forgot to mention the idiotic thing I did see on one of the new builds, they put the smoke alarm on the ceiling of a 2-story condo above the entrance and halfway through the stairs. That means you need to physically reach up 20+ feet into the air, without the use of a ladder because, well, it's on fucking carpeted stairs and you're not climbing a ladder at an angle. Whoever moves in there will become a nigger with a constantly chirping alarm. I asked the salesperson about it and she was stumped, had zero idea about how anyone could possibly replace the battery.>in summary, both new and old suck.
>>538015743a lot are hard wired now because code is so clear about placement
>>538015642for electrical only changing plugs and bulbs is legal here, people still DIY though but its not insurable if you're caught.DIY plumbing isn't legal but its really not hard for idiots to get it signed off because its just PVC, fall over run for drainage and soldering copper pipe (plastic piping isn't legal for residential properties).You would have to be insane to try to DIY gas.
>>538015138So move there, open a business, and help turn it into a place where people want to live. Everyone wants everyone else to do all the work.
>>538014713Except you also need to buy the land to build said home one. Unfortunately the price of materials, land and labor has not gone down, only boomer speculators have made already built homes skyrocket in value even if they are pieces of dogshit built with styrofoam and cardboard.
>>538015819Didn't know that. Still impossible to test the alarm, and they are supposed to be replaced every 10 years, and you still can't reach it. Learned something new, but it's still dumb.
>>538014892Foundation and land cost someGarages can be spec’ed to house standard. Build a big garage with rooms, <100Utilities, foundation, etc. under 50
>>538015878>open a business Town council of elderly boomers will refuse to zone your business in a convenient location because it will “ruin the character” of that plot of desert. You don’t hate boomers enough, they’d quite literally let their shitty towns die slowly so they can enjoy minor conveniences like less traffic and lower property taxes because the schools are empty.
>>538015862>You would have to be insane to try to DIY gas.not allowed here either. Drain plumbing here is stupid meticulous. I failed my fist try on a one bath home, finally hired licensed plumber. My stab at it would have worked for 100 years, but not the right fittings, vents, placement. Plumbers do 4 years of training here, make $300/hr
>>538014713is this plywood vs stone?
>>538015947You can take over land for free* if you choose the right spot and manage to live there for years without any objections *You will still need to pay taxes of course
>32 living with parents >laid off 9 months ago from 25/hr factory job>could get another one anytime, recently turned down an offer >2 more semesters left of a bullshit math associates degree>$65,000 in savings What do I do? I wouldn't mind a cozy trailer home but they all come with a fucking 458 dollar a month HoA fee.
>>538016028>Garages can be spec’ed to house standard. Build a big garage with rooms, <100>Utilities, foundation, etc. under 50Literally doing that now. 30x30 2 story quonset on a slab. 1/2 acre was 80k, building about 24k, slab 20K, plumbing 3k. Still have to do electric, fir and insulate walls, appliances... Way over budget and behind schedule. Contractors fucking suck and are high priced.
>>538014713Location.Location.Location.
>>538016260credit? get a job, pay a big down, get a place
>>538016260Good for you anon. I recently squandered all my savings on a worthless unemployment vacation because I figured inflation would eat it all anyways.
>>538014713New home made of cheap shit, old home made strong and sturdy
>>538014713>literally cheaper to build an entire home from scratch, set up all the electrical stuff to code, get all the permits and pay for all the equipment than it is to buy any homeDo it and report back
>>538016415eh
What about building a house out of stone? Slate roof, steel supports, would it be a worthwhile endeavor in this market?
>>538016380Why the fuck would you do that bro
>>538016280>contractorsShould've done it yourself numbnuts
>>538015654It usually goes like this>have house built from okay wood in the 60s>drill a bunch of holes in the structural beams to hang a TV in the wall in the 2000s>keep going with the electric drill until you hear the crack, thats how you know its secure>five years later remove the brackets and go back to tv on a shelf unit> the gaping unsealed wound in your structural beam is now open to humidity> ignore all of this until the house is condemned from under you>build a shitty new house
>>538015196And the costs have tripled in the last 10 years. It's probably more about that than boomer greed increasing (that's been relatively constant)
>>538016687I have done everything myself but site prep, plumbing, and pouring the slab. Money well spent for those things. can't build and compact a two foot rock pad, cut 18x12 footings. not a heavy equipment operator
>>538016365The highest I ever got pre-approved for was 250k and that bought me a run down house with a cave in the basement at the bottom of a hill with a river 20 feet from the house.
>>538016892consider moving to a cheaper place? I got priced out of my last area. Sold old wreck in city to build new place in... a kid rock video
>>538014713New homes are built like shit though.
>>538016260Most trailer parks are a scam and aren't really that much cheaper than renting an apartment. You're on the hook for a shit ton of bills, taxes, and maintenance which can come at any time
>>538014713
>>538015095Or, you know, do as in Europe and remove the yard altogether, leaving more space for more flats leading to cheaper housing, and instead add a nearby public park that is properly taken care of by public servants and fosters a sense of community in the neighborhood. Your not afraid of your neighbors, are you?
>>538017029They really aren't. They are all up to international building code. Before, builders did about what they wanted. Lots of materials are way better now. Old concrete was total shit, usually improperly cured. Old iron and PVC is shit compared to ABS and PEX. You fell for the meme. Insulation is way better... Big old timbers don't mean shit when your FUSE box from 1920 burns them all down.
>>538015227What are you gonna do about it, bitch? Vote harder next time? Hahahahahaha
>>538015564It is the same here. Water intrusion in the basement, a leaking roof and a kitchen and bathroom still from the 70s on damn near every house that gets put up on the market near me. That's if they even reach the market with half the houses getting snagged by desperate buyers beforehand.
What about printed homes
>>538017292a novelty
>>538016028Land costs almost as much or more than the house in some areas.
>>538016686I literally just told you.Probably going to apply for jobs soon to keep the lights on.
>>538017292In a truly capitalist economy, some Ford-like character would be investing in scaling up that shit to make those houses 50K a sell. But we live in a bullshit neocommie reality in the west so it'll never happen.
>>538015138The copy paste bullshit has always been the case. Look up any documentary on post WW2 boom. An entire house was built in a few days like clockwork, all of them exactly the same
>>538014713It takes forever to get permits
>>538017033Yeah that's why I refused to do it and my ex gf dumped me. She didn't accept it was basically an apartment with a 15pk security deposit
>>538017292A novelty and almost every single one in existence already has problems.They haven't quite gotten them figured out yet.The ones that do exist also try REALLY HARD to avoid covering up / fixing the 3d-printer specific parts, resulting in more issues. Layer lines not smoothed out because you really want that "wow it's 3d printed" look? Places for mold to grow, water to collect, cracks to propagate, bugs to nest.
>>538014713That's assuming a lot. For starters, new construction is likely to be highly enshittified relative to older stuff. Second, new construction is likely in over supply.
>>538017430The frame is just a small part of a house. That printed house still needs conventional firing for insulation, wiring, plumbing, hanging a painting. They used to pour houses from cement. Same concept. Was a disaster. I think you know nothing about building.
>>538017085Fuck man it just keeps going. Grim
>>538017542I don't think you could ever get one certified as a dwelling, in my state at least. Even if an engineer stamped the plans. Doubt you could find a self respecting engineer to do it. Way too many long term, and short, unknowns.
>>538015564Mold is the real problem.The only place it makes sense to buy old is in the desert South West.Even then you've gotta check there's no lead pipes, lead paint, asbestos, mercury in the thermostats, radon, and that the carpet isn't made of plastic because it's probably breaking down fast.New build of a small house with quality materials is the way to go, Millennials have the right idea with the crunchy granola tiny house lifestyle.
>>538017560>That printed house still needs conventional firing for insulation, wiring, plumbing, hanging a painting.Those can be intergrated into the print or are already taken care of by the materials themselves. There are also microsolutions for power like solar panels that I see being implemented almost nowhere. The fact that there isn't anyone putting money into this is a disaster.
>>538017785>The fact that there isn't anyone putting money into this is a disaster.Money flies to good ideas. It's not a good idea. Simple as. It's a novelty for designers to display their art/techfag skills. Prefab has never worked out, unless its on wheels
>>538017644Modern housing is like a game of hot potato. You can't buy old because old houses are toxic deathtraps. You have to buy new and hope it's structurally sound enough to last a few years (like 5-10), then slap on a new roof and sell it to someone else. That person only gets a few years out of it and tries to sell too.
>>538015179well well welllook at who has done yet another antisemitism today!!
>>538017085all in all that's a tear down isn't it?
best thing for the housing crisis is de-stigmatizing manufactured homes as white trash. Or give them a cool modern look.
>>538018022kek
>>538017164>fosters a sense of communitywhat
>>538014892all you need is $272000 worth of cartoon and you can build your first american home
>>538018475If you're always confined to your own little fief, and aren't obliged to comingle with your fellow humans in shared spaces, you'll develop terminal individualism, more than that which begot the american suburban housing model in the first place. It's a positive feedback loop of selfishness and enshittification.
I wouldn't get in a new build ever. Unless you have a personal relation with the builder and know the crews doing the work chances are you're going to get a half assed build. I don't even know who is buying $250k homes. I bought my home for $100k at 3% interest and make $65k after taxes. There's little room to maintenance after bills and enjoying goyslop.
>>538014713There's just something off about new houses. Inspectors keep finding very obvious faults that shouldn't be there.
>>538018948>Unless you have a personal relation with the builder and know the crews doing the work chances are you're going to get a half assed buildThis is a BS scaremongering tactic asset-flipping boomers employ all the time. New build quality is just fine, and much more trustworthy than 80s/90s shitboxes (almost all of them). Just because most laborers don't speak english doesn't mean they can't hammer a nail straight.
>>538019053They're built by braindead lazy ass Mexicans
>>538014892the 272k boomer house will need all new mechincal systems and a new roof in the next 10 years and probably a remodel too btw
>>538017449perhaps same in the inner cities with row homes and the sort. but they were built with bricks and other materials which give the home so much more character. also were much denser and had more walkability in mind
>>538019053Funny that. It's almost as though rajesh and akshit and sukdeep didn't know what the fuck they were doing.
>>538016260Sounds like you're on a wining track but just lazy a shit.Pull up your bootsraps.Yeah i'm boomerin' yah, cos you really are being lazy as fuck and giving the rest of our gen a bad name, I would kill for that kind of pay.
A look at Japans akyia tells you, the last thing you want in a territory with a demographic deflation is immobile capital like a concrete wood box, especially at the start of that devolution.
>>538015558tract homes.
>I know what i got
>>538014892Yes yes take a 50 year mortgage to expand credit demand and have a concrete box that is automatically used for extortion that lost 50% of its value 10 years down the roadLol
>>538015878Zoning laws on the usa are often draconian and homogeneous
>>538016260Focus on what you actually want to do with your life, if you need a degree or certifications get them now. If you need hours get them in now. You have the room to develop skills and shit right now. Also look into dating if you want a wife, as daunting as that may sound. You have a good piggybank and it wouldn't hurt to invest some of that into a job or skills that'll pay off later
>>538015179>lower the priceBecause location more than anything else. The house next to me didn't sell for 100k over it's asking price because of the home design. It's a meh small 1950s build place but it's in a whoop ass location.
>>538014713>nooo they don't want to buy the homes our retarded Mexicans build like shit for 50% more how could that be?
I was in a home built in like 1860, and halfway up the stairs was a door to a sunroom. The door opened onto the stairs, so if the timing was perfect someone would get knocked on their ass and fall down the stairs. Also, the locks were keyed on both sides so if you lost the key you couldn't leave your own home except through a window. Funny.
>>538014844Can I join? But I can’t work in inches, feet, etc.
>>538017164And have to share it? With those...people?How can I say "Get off my lawn!" if it's a communal deal?
>>538021690not only are the mexicans retarded, they are also greedy and inept to work with tools. But then again their craftsmanship isnt that far off from mutt boomerboxes that were build in the 70s-80s. Same cardboard, differnently priced elmers glue.
>>538014713because the market is retardedly manipulated>yeah, my house which only starts falling apart more and more as time goes on is totally increasing in valuelmao
>>538014713should be able to make more efficient ones anyway by now
>>538014962How does it work? Does inspection care if it was made by various certified professionals or is it so thorough that it doesn't matter who did what?
>>538014844Meanwhile, at the /pol/ manor...
>>538014713What does that stat actually mean?Are the old houses more valuable?So basically they are either better built or on more valuable land.Might tell us something about changes in zoning policy?
>>538014713>here's your brand new home goy>that'll be $500k plus tax>don't forget to tipAll the new developments going up around me look like this. They aren't homes. They are storage boxes for retards and non-Whites. You couldn't pay me to live there.
>>538014892Where the fuck do houses cost $275k?
>>538024495You live in a basement
>>538024112As a general rule, houses of new construction lose a set chunk of value in a given area from the first owner to the second owner. There’s a bunch of different reasons for this but a rough example would be>300k USD GBP EUCoins, new house on a new development>after five years the people who bought it sell it>surprised face where they can’t get what they paid, nor has it gone up with prices in the area>it’s now 280k Another buyer with the similar budget is either going to get something much older or go for something brand new. Young houses aren’t desirable as you get the worst of both worlds; the poor general quality of a new house combined with the need to spend money on remodelling it that you’d want to do anyway with an old oneMy house is 500 years old and bits of it are older, so it doesn’t really bother me but it’s an observable trend everywhere
New houses are shit quality and 90% of the cost is labour you could do yourself.
>>538022280>How can I say "Get off my lawn!" if it's a communal deal?You can't, but you'll get to replace it with the much more fashionable and evropean "Stop stabbing me!!"
>>538024549I bought my home in Middletown NY for $110k 2 years ago lol. It's a run down town mostly full of white trash and Mexicans, but my neighbors are okay workaday people, drywall guys etc. it's commutable to the hellscape of NYC so you can work in a tier 1 city and live in a house that costs $500 a month to mortgage. The lazy Arab landlord before me did the sewer main all the way out to the street and left a 4 foot section in old clay pipe because it ran under a sidewalk he didn't want to dig up. Of course that caved in and he dumped the house for cheap. It's a DIY thing in that county so I just dug that bitch up and got her done for like $400 in mats and inspection fees. Ezpz. Oh yeah and it's a 2 family so my mortgage is paid for and I give below market rent to a crusty old veteran who lives downstairs and keeps an eye on the place.It's still infinitely better than actually living in the city, and I get my own house full of guns and a garage to park my shit. Look at Middletown listings and you'll see a dozen fixer uppers with stupid little problems like tha which just scare normies away.
>>538024940lol
They don't want you to know this but if you build a house and it doesn't pass code they can't charge you property tax as if it was livable.
>>538016028Skip the foundation. If it's not 'attached' to the ground it's a non-permanent structure.
>cheap chink materials which fall apart in <10 years, are cheaper than buildings which were built before the chinks were inducted into the WTO (11 Dec., 2001)The inevitable correction that we had to have.
