Can any euros redpill on on how terrible nuclear power is?I think it's wonderful but I've heard some bad things.Why haven't energy dependent European countries mass adopted this modern miracle?
This confuses and enrages the euroshit.
It makes mustard gas just look at all that mustard gas
>>538015109It's wonderful, and it is everywhere but Germany. They decided to tear down their plants because gazprom (yes, for real) bought their politicians
>>538015312I think you mean Germans. The rest of us are fine with it.
>>538015334Gazprom? I'll have to look into this since I'm unfamiliar as you are with Spire.I thought the general buzz in euroland was that it was terrible.
>>538015312The French have a lot more nuclear than we do as a percentage of their power grid. As a consequence their economy isn't going to shit like the rest of the EU.The Germans on the other hand blew up all their nuclear plants to appease retarded environmentalists. Now they're firing their coal plants back up and their economy is going to shit because their energy costs keep going up.
>>538015539Yeah Germany now spends a fortune buying electricity from France.
>>538015334Its because Merkel is was a WEF stooge preparing for the great reset early.
>>538015109There has been a campaign against nuclear energy for decades now. The real reason is not because it's dangerous, not even because of environmentalists or an of that other bullshit. The real reason why we don't have abundant nuclear energy is because it empowers the western world too much. Your leaders have decided that's not fair to the rest of the world and so you can't have it.
>>538015109Not sure what you mean. We've been planning to build a nuclear power plant here, two GE Hitachi BWRX-300. You might need to ask the Krauts specifically.
>>538015610Well that's good but your probably need hundreds of them.
>>538015505lol germs let Russians buy they out and shut down nuclear power over it?Holy shit.Now they're trying to steal the German Gazprom company (SEFE) from Russia by nationalizing it. Germany is a meme now, huh?So, if Russia provides the energy, do Germs think they'll continue doing so just because they stole some Russian assests?What's wrong with Germans? Are they even human?
>>538015569Germany being forced to be energy dependent after two world war is probably what's going on, desu. If the environment was really their concern, they wouldn't switch from nuclear to coal. German might be autistic but not that kind of autism.
>>538015653>your probably need hundreds of them.These 2 reactors will provide us with 65% of our energy consumption. Ideally we should build 4 reactors, but we gotta start somewhere.
>>538015610Yes, I've been corrected there.WTF is wrong with Germans? Why haven't you eaten your politicians yet?Oh and can Germs build a reliable like China or is that asking too much?This is now a Germ hate thread. Post 'em if you got 'em.
>>538015721I think it's part retarded voters and part corrupt tankie politicians re: >>538015334
>>538015109no one is against it here, it's mostly the fucking krauts that are against it for some reasonyears ago we had a referendum on building nuclear reactors in italy, everyone overwhelmingly voted no because italy has very few uranium reserves, and it would cost us a shitton of money to import it from other countriessince no one likes taxes, we voted nobut if italy suddenly discovered massive uranium reserves, we'd build them immediately
They really drilled down with the whole Fukushima thing at the time, and the leftie drones all lapped it up.
>>538015539>The Germans on the other hand blew up all their nuclear plants to appease retarded environmentalists.People to say stuff like this at face value can always be safely ignored. German nuclear energy, regardless of what is said for public consumption, is generally opposed by 1) the United States 2) Russian gas industry 3) German gas importers 4) German coal lobby.But if they tell you its for environment reasons then a) liberals are happy and b) retarded rightoids like you can harumph at the hippies.
>>538015109It's incompatible with future brown populations.
>>538015539Economy is still going shit anyway, because all investments are foreign.And despite nuclear electricity being cheaper, France is forced to sell it at the gas electricity price because of EU norms.
>>538015539>The Germans on the other hand blew up all their nuclear plants to appease retarded environmentalists.No they did that because Jews lobby every waking moment to destroy the German landrace.
>>538015661No, they aren't
>>538015573Well that's true as well. Russia is just one of the players pulling the strings, there's no doubt the US, china and Israel are doing their parts
>>538015721It's never been about environment. They just want to sabotage their respective countries.
The real reason is that there isn't anyone qualified to operate or maintain them anymore. We lost the knowledge of how to do it. New ones can not be done in our lifetime..
>>538016713What? Are you talking about Germany? Are you here for the World Cup
I'd like to see an energy prices per house and the percentages of nuclear power.can someone spoon feed me an excel equation or where to start.>t.42 yo boomer
>>538015539>>538015870Sure chief. The German government that ordered the nuclear plants destroyed is totally free from responsibility as are all the retard environmentalists who cheered it on because everything is the fault of foreigners or evil capitalists.Someone is always making money off of energy. People made tons of money building all their meme offshore wind and solar energy. When that failed to do the job the guys importing gas (United States, Russia, Middle East) made money and the German coal industry made money. If they had kept the nuclear running someone would be making money off of it. The fact that there's someone scheming to make money off the energy sector doesn't absolve the German's retarded government for shooting their economy in the foot.
>>538016385Yeah, the EU in general is pretty fucked. The United States has a lot of problems too; but you're worse off than we are. We all need to deport our political establishment along with the third worlders they brought in.
are you stupid?France is ahead of the US in nuclear power technology.
>>538015109it is wonderful, what have you heard and from which leftist?
>>538016468I just looked it up, dumbnut.https://www.akm.ru/eng/news/the-german-government-is-considering-withdrawing-from-securing-energy-for-europe/
>>538019351I'm told it was Germans.
>>538019865yeah german leftists, who are green like the rest of them. unlucky
There are more than a dozen types of nuclear reactors and 150+ different reactor designs currently in use. The common types are pressurized water reactor (PWR), boiling water reactor (BWR), sodium-cooled fast reactor (SFR), pressurized heavy-water reactor (PHWR), and the CANDU reactor.For a country with no nuclear industry, a CANDU type reactor. CANDU reactors are heavy water reactors that can use unenriched uranium, which make it impossible to create bomb material. These are near-breeders that can use anything from natural uranium (no need for an enrichment plant), thorium, and waste from PWRs. They also don’t need a lot of metallurgical know-how because they have no pressurized reactor vessels.For a country that's already nuclear heavy, PWRs (to retain jobs in metallurgical and enrichment plants), adding sodium cooled fast reactors or CANDUs to burn up the high-level waste from the PWR fleet.Molten salt reactors (MSR) can make the cost of steel production almost free due to the waste heat in combination with electricity generation utilised by onsite MSRs. Once established, they are quick and easy to produce and provide cheaper energy than coal, they also use up spent fuel and use up waste in rare earth mining.Thorium fuel cycle breeder reactors that power coal to liquid synfuel generators could solve all our energy needs for hundreds if not thousands of years.Fast breeder reactors (FBR) can progressively scintillate the fuel into various decomposition isotopes and elements that can be re-used until it isn't harmful anymore.
>>538020534Travelling wave reactors (TWR) can use depleted uranium, spent fuel waste produced by light water nuclear reactors, or natural uranium and do not require uranium enrichment or reprocessing. The current stockpiles of depleted uranium and other nuclear waste could be used in TWRs to provide 80% of the current global population with US per capita amounts of electricity demand for >1000 years.Liquid fluoride thorium reactor (LFTR) with freeze plugs are meltdown proof, the ore is abundant, and the waste takes centuries to half-life instead of thousands of years. A thorium sphere is also enough to power all the needs of a person for their lifetime.Small modular reactor (SMR):Small - a fraction of the size of a conventional reactor.Modular - systems and components that can be factory-assembled and transported as a unit to a location for installation.Reactor - harnessing nuclear fission to produce energy.Rolls-Royce (UK), China National Nuclear Corporation, NuScale Power (US), Holtec International (US), Westinghouse Electric Company LLC (US), and National Commission of Atomic Energy (Argentina) are all developing land based SMRs.Cold fusion (aka Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions - LENR) is likely to take over the reactor/heating industry. Despite MIT doing hit pieces against cold fusion decades ago, cold fusion is becoming competitive. LENR reactors can fit in a car, don't produce neutron radiation, just X-rays and UV, hence why LENR is competitive.
>>538020547Radioactive waste is superior in every metric because it's recyclable, easily dilutable, and extremely efficient at storage. We can now recycle 90% of all high-level waste into useable fuel, which decays to something inert by the end of the fuel cycle.Water is one of the hardest things to contaminate with radiation because the water itself doesn't become irradiated. Instead, the radiation sediments in the water. Sediments flow downstream and out into the ocean where the radioactive particles dissipate. And for groundwater; How do radioactive particles make it through tens, hundreds or even kilometres of rock, sediment and soil? It's naturally self-filtering.
>>538020564Red tape bureaucracy is not the reason why nuclear is dying. It's because Western construction sectors have decayed, and power production is left in the hands of private companies that won't invest in nuclear. There's also the issue of finance. In the US, the financial system in tandem with a privatized economy doesn't allow for long-term projects. In China, the nuclear industry is split between two state owned enterprises (SOEs), which receive preferential loan rates from the People's Bank of China (PBOC). The financial, regulatory, and logistical environment, especially in a privatized economy such as the US, and one in which the government changes its opinion every 2-4 years, renders any medium or long-term project ineffective.In practice, a SMR costs 1 billion and you need 15 of them to take the place of one large reactor that costs 10 billion. 15 billion vs 10 billion. Assume the single 10-billion-dollar plant gets stuck in legal and regulatory quagmires, and suddenly costs 20-30-40 billion dollars, and has been under construction for 20 years. Meanwhile, those 15 SMRs get built, or maybe you stop at 12, even with that process having come under attack by hostile agents.Each power plant is more cathedral than industrial building and requires highly competent staff on-site. You need to either have it as part of a state-run company or use blackboxed modular designs that are fully self-contained.The fundamental problem with nuclear energy is that it requires knowledgeable, skilled, wise, accountable and responsible people, and a culture committed to maintaining excellence, not bureaucrats and mouth-breathers.Working with nuclear energy requires a work culture of owning up to your mistakes, not saving face, and promptly reporting them to the people who need to know. A well-designed reactor can handle unusual circumstances and some amount of human error. No design could ever hope to consistently handle decades of neglect and incompetence.
>>538020586Economics of Nuclear Reactor Illinois EnergyProfhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbeJIwF1pVYJohn Bucknell - Nuclear Plant Economics & Synthetic Fuel Cogeneration @ TEAC8 gordonmcdowellhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1Fi3BnwL94Using Nuclear Energy to produce Synthetic Fuelshttps://spectrum.ieee.org/synthetic-fuel
Germany must never obtain a nuclear weapon
>>538015109>having cooling towers when you're already connected to a nearby body of waterretards
>>538015109It pollutes more than any other form of power generation. You can clearly see the radiation smoke coming out of the reactor tower with your own eyes. That’s a nope from me, dawg
>>538015539>Le heckin percentagerinoYou do know the “per capita theory” has been proven to be intentionally misleading and outright false?
>>538020648Good ol' dunning-kruger effect
>>538015109"nuclear power" is fake, like nukesthat's why it isn't usedall "nuclear plants" have a (((backup))) diesel generator
/pol/ really going all-out this morning eh? rofl
>>538020564Tritium
>>538020842Nukes are very much real. Nuclear power on the other hand… NOPE! Fake and gay. Yikes.
>>538015569Sweden too. Sweden recently halted the construction of a new power cable to Denmark because they don't want to subsidize retarded Germans with their electricity and raise local prices.
>>538020766that is an excellent comic. smug, and completely proving the point of not understanding per capita
>>538015109no one needs nuclearoff shore wind farms are sufficient just go bigchina has a solar park the size of a city and it produces 21GW
>>538021213>china has a solar park the size of a cityyes and they also have a working fusion generator and make cheap GPUs and RAMwe just can't see them
>>538021260its just a shame they built them on the ground instead of roof tops of production lines or data centers
>>538015109It is unmanageable on the long term. Plus there are almost no uranium deposits in Europe. It IS fossil fuel imported from abroad.
>>538015109>>538015312Europe is lead by idiots.That's all you need to know.
>>538021367That looks like desert wasteland. Might as well put some solar panels there.
>>538021137
>>538021137Tongue my anush
>>538021213Why do we even need any powerplants? Electricity comes from the outlets in the walls.
>>538021432Combined Cycle Gas Turbine (CCGT) designed for natural gas with distributed gas storage.Closed-loop pumped storage hydro (PSH) using the Francis turbine built above floodplains with cascading storage tiers.Biogas via anaerobic digestion (AD) integrated with hydrothermal carbonization (HTC) and biogas-to-biomethane upgrading.Electric Thermal Energy Storage (ETES) and Compressed Air Energy Storage (CAES) integrated with Combined Heat and Power (CHP).Use baseload to produce synthetic hydrocarbons like algae fuel and e-fuel.If enough pumped hydro is designed for the right locations and installed, it can provide baseload power year round. Instead of treating pumped hydro purely as a daytime peaking plant, individual PSH installations do not need to run simultaneously. They can operate in a programmed sequence. As one reservoir tier approaches its discharge limit, the next tier in the geographic grid throttles up to take over the load. If you need extra power, throttle CCGTs to refill hydro dams.Excluding the gas, it's scalable. So you can have micro-grids all over the place if you observe and abide by nature.There are more than enough of these hydro sites to power all of Europe and my country, so go fuck yourselves with your fag wind turbines and PV panels.Global Atlas of Closed-Loop Pumped Hydro Energy Storagehttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2542435120305596
>>538015109
None of you understand the technology even remotely, which makes these threads so incredibly embarrassing. Nuclear power plants are especially awful in the summer because of the cooling problem.
>>538021602man it's crazy that you actually don't understandare you really greek or some sort of nigger?also do you have any more of those?
>>538021915You don't need nuclear anyway. Maybe for military installations and other select purposes. Definitely need it for securing the arctic, but Europe is way behind on everything other than self-immolation.
>>538020681someone edit the pepe in the big boy pants and cowboy hat above that image
>>538021915In the summer you should have plenty of solar power available to replace it. Add some power storage for nighttime and you're good. In a continent like Europe, energy production has to be tailored for each season separately.
>>538015109>>538015312I actually lived in Germany for a few years, near an old nuclear plant that had been shut down. Nice place, but everyone living there was getting cancer at an extremely high rate; even my mom and my dog got it (the former made it, the latter didn't). The authorities will never reveal it, but everything there - the water, the soil, the air, the food - is poisoned with radiation. It was one of the biggest reasons why we all came back to Italy. I've also developed a major autoimmune disease, but I can't be certain it's related. And no, none of us got vaxxed.
>>538015334so much this, and it has nothing to do with globalist climate agenda, it's just evil russians
>>538015109Apparently a bad investment. This is what people say at least. It takes for ever to get your money back. There are also resource dependencies (need uranium, until thorium reactors developed).Diffictult to judge since everybody has an agenda.
>>538022673It's not evil, it's just smart. The Germans are retarded for letting it happen and it's laughable this kind of blatant shit gets through and nobody cares
>>538024253>bad investment That’s the (((approved))) narrative led by the establishment to appease German voting cattle. Germany’s real reason for abandoning nuclear was a combination of wanting to moralfag and being handicapped by the globohomo agenda who didn’t want too much competition / a place to sell their energy to.
>>538021789I saw some other faggot post this about the French Nuclear reactors.For the record the reactor isn't shut down because it can't operate. Its shut down because environmental faggots said the river water was too hot and it would hurt the fish.
>>538021137I think that's the point of the combat, AIslop and retardation.
SMR are the future anyway, Europe should be investing massively into these. China is already building them.
>>538015109>how terrible nuclear power isIn May 1986, while Chernobyl's radioactive cloud was passing over West Germany, this privately owned nuclear reactor found a brilliant way of cleaning its pipes of radioactive fuel pellets that were starting to fragment and clog them. Those pellets were made of Uranium-235 and Thorium-232, embedded in a graphite matrix, and they used exhaust gas under pressure to vent them to the outside. That exhaust gas also contained radioactive helium.The free hand of the market would have gotten away with it, if not for some pesky whistleblower and some environment monitoring stations that detected an isotope that could not have been produced at Chernobyl. Guess who had to bailout the company and pay for the plant's decommission.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THTR-300#Incidentshttps://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernkraftwerk_THTR-300#Emission_radioaktiver_Aerosole_am_4._Mai_1986_unmittelbar_nach_dem_Tschernobyl-Unfallhttps://www.thelocal.de/20160520/german-nuclear-plant-pumped-radioactive-waste-into-air
>>538015569Except we are net exporter
>>538015109it's the best energy option and the greenest.
>>538022673you expect fingolians to think about anything other than russia?
>>538015573The nuclear cancellation happened even before Merkel, under Schroeder, who was rewarded for it with a chair on Gazprom's board.
