What's your excuse for not working on acquiring a classical education?
>>538025407I wasn’t very talented on the flute
>>538025622>>538025407People here are talentless, uneducated morons, they failed their exams, they are academically worthless
>>538025407Drop some resources instead of huffing your own farts
>>538025407RIGHT WING BASICShttp://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1pi20Rr9_BxBbMIfcZUTTGslfZTifEiCmgoogle drive easy to use interface...read moar be a right winger kek
>>538025622Doesn't matter. A classical education is theoretical. It consists of the seven liberal arts, one of which is music, but music in this context is mathematics.https://annas-archive.gl/md5/024608b7ccc86918e03d133df84cc907https://youtu.be/9oqrxe5Bqh0&t=1640https://www.youtube.com/playlist?app=desktop&list=PLNnqqvK2yDEFVdM_5wV4Od8kV2GaSo7jzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_educationhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triviumhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadriviumhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOcy6RHw7A8
>>538025646A classical education has nothing to do with school and college. As a matter of fact it's the opposite of that. School and college are not for learning.
>>538025728I just filtered your ID.
>>538026505>I just filtered your ID.Gigachad move
>>538026024This thread is about classical education. Classical education has nothing to do with right wing or left wing. I can only see one book in your thread that is relevant to classical education, the one on critical thinking, picrel. The point of classical education is that you don't just read anything, you begin by learning about grammar, logic and rhetoric, which are the tools of thought. Critical thinking is the Trivium, real critical thinking anyway, and modern critical thinking books have elements of the real stuff in them. But the grammar part entails the study of Latin grammar.
>>538025646I got a forklift certification
>>538026896that's a great explanation but I am spamming infographics also USA education overrun by leftists
>>538027113You are working against the purpose of a classical education then. Fuck off, subverter.
>>538027194you are taking yourself and this puny thread way too seriously
>>538025407My grandfathers before me were simple farmers and dumb peasants and in a just world I'd be one too without having to worry about such things
>>538026446Thanks for sharing. How do you approach a self-education without having someone to test your knowledge?
>>538027243fuck off and kys shill, hopefully you get banned
>>538027243You are subveting the thread; and We can find all of that information else where. I can tell you were educated in America. Stop posting burger.
>>538026896lolPolitical science, sociology, psychology, law, and economics are all filed under ARTS in academia. They are NOT Sciences, but a collection of subjective analyses, as varied as there are opinions, devoid of practicality or reproducibility. Smoke and mirrors for those who want to hear themselves speak and to manipulate others.Luckily for the hard sciences, failure is not rewarded and it is eventually weeded out via practical application and reproducibility. The hard sciences are unlike the above-mentioned Arts’ disciplines, in which failure not only thrives, but is rewarded and allowed to distort reality and hinder progress. pic related kek
>>538026896What books should one read in order then?
>>538027537They are classified as humanities.Also, that's the typical naivety of a first year undergraduate. Spoiler: your future career in the hard sciences will be spent reporting those data which are profitable for whomever funds your grants, and burying those data which aren't. Like a gloried prostitute.
It's the Swede bookbro, I have been following along some French books you've recommended in the past. Hard language.
>>538028122post your real flag and I will reply
When people use the word "literacy" today they're not talking about actual literacy. Actual literacy is grammar, logic and rhetoric, which is suppressed for the masses. There's a difference between "reading" and reading, between "literacy" and literacy. Actual literacy requires a classical education, which includes the Trivium. Hardly anyone is actually literate today. There were actually more literate people in the 19th century. Reading can be done the wrong way, the way they teach in school, just programming, or it can be done the right way, like in the image, which requires study of the Trivium. Reading without actual literacy is a waste of time and energy.>>>/wsg/6186488>>>/wsg/6186491>>>/wsg/6179866>>>/wsg/6183606https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZp7eVJNJuw
>>538026896>I can only see one book in your thread*in your image
>>538027273This is a thread for those who aspire to be liberated, not for those who are content with their enslavement.>>538027290What? You learn. No need for testing of any kind.>>538027537Maybe if you had a classical education you would be able to make a point.
>>538027713Books on the Trivium and Quadrivium, grammar (Latin and "general grammar"), logic, rhetoric, arithmetic, geometry (Euclid), music (theory), astronomy. Music and astronomy I think can wait until more advanced stages.***grammar, logic, rhetoric***https://archive.org/details/the-trivium-the-liberal-arts-of-logic-grammar-and-rhetoric-sister-miriam-joseph***logic***https://archive.org/details/logicorrightuseo00watthttps://archive.org/details/logick_2507_librivoxhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWWjNDMbkdSl8Go4uRLZfGQnnFe8gMSOohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8MyllahXgwhttps://archive.org/details/artoflogicalthin00atkihttps://archive.org/details/easylessonsonrea00what***grammar/Latin***https://archive.org/details/latinforbeginner0000benjhttps://archive.org/details/CommentariesOnTheGallicWarCaesarCompletelyParsedBookIhttps://archive.org/details/completely-parsed-cicero-oration-1https://archive.org/details/fully-parsed-horace-odes-translation-pub-cohttps://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.31822003632080https://archive.org/details/progressivegerma00adlehttps://archive.org/details/easyfrenchreadin00fish***arithmetic***https://archive.org/details/elementsofarithm00demorich/page/n21/mode/2up***geometry***https://annas-archive.gl/md5/d45ff5e6b85ca30bde1ba1925320c4f8https://elements.ratherthanpaper.com/1.1https://youtu.be/XLlThlqCFeghttps://elements.ratherthanpaper.com/1.2https://youtu.be/UHZO2dviZfUhttps://elements.ratherthanpaper.com/1.3https://youtu.be/_ZwcobIExtohttps://www.desmos.com/geometryhttps://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-jan-30-oe-crease30-story.htmlhttps://archive.org/details/euclid_heath_2nd_ed/1_euclid_heath_2nd_ed/page/n254
***grammar/Latin***Familia Romanahttps://archive.org/details/familia-romanaaudiohttps://archive.org/details/familia-romana-and-colloquia-personarum-audio-files>>>/t/1344565Neumann Companionhttps://annas-archive.gl/md5/920df5a7359b4222dd56dafe1a84572fExercitia Latinahttps://archive.org/details/lingualatinalatinbooks/Lingua%20Latina%20-%20Exercitia%20Latina%20Pars%20I/Colloquia Personarumhttps://archive.org/details/lingualatinalatinbooks/Lingua%20Latina%20-%20Colloquia%20Personarum/answer keyhttps://archive.org/details/lingualatinalatinbooks/Lingua%20Latina%20-%20Teacher%27s%20Materials%20and%20Answer%20Keys/https://www.pbslearningmedia.org/collection/latin-grammar/
>>538029927table of contents for https://archive.org/details/logicorrightuseo00watt
>>538027537In medieval times, university studies were, Medicine, Law and Ecclesiastical.Sciences were likely practical training in a guild.
>>538028131Which books? French is easy.https://archive.org/details/childsillustrate00keethttps://archive.org/details/easyfrenchreadin00fishhttps://annas-archive.gl/md5/98ae65df102363389e715697b2832775https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=pst.000006968175https://archive.org/details/tudeprogressived00sterhttps://archive.org/details/longmansillustra00bidghttps://archive.org/details/jensen-arthur-le-francais-par-la-methode-naturehttps://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf8XN5kNFkhdIS7NMcdUdxibD1UyzNFTPhttps://archive.org/details/progressivepro00collhttps://archive.org/details/selectionofonehu00perrhttps://archive.org/details/premierlivredele00unse
>>538030470>https://archive.org/details/selectionofonehu00perrI should have posted this url instead, which takes you directly to the interlinear:https://archive.org/details/selectionofonehu00perr/page/1
***grammar/Latin***https://archive.org/details/caesarscommentar07caeshttps://archive.org/details/vergilsaeneidboo00virg_0https://archive.org/details/InterlinearTranslationOfTitusLiviusPatavinusByRev.I.W.Bieber1872https://archive.org/details/bwb_T5-CWR-690
***grammar/Latin***https://archive.org/details/orbispictusofjoh00come
>>538025407Why is the word order the same as in English?Seems like a made up language.
>>538031547Yeah, it's not the original Latin text. The word order has been rearranged for teaching purposes.It's this book:https://archive.org/details/caesarscommentar07caesI also posted this book, which has the original Latin text:https://archive.org/details/CommentariesOnTheGallicWarCaesarCompletelyParsedBookI
>>538026024Man, its been years since we had a proper bookclub. These days niggers are talking about Hitler and being NatSoc without even reading his book.
>>538031727That guy is just trying to subvert the thread by flooding it with random irrelevant books. See >>538026896 >>538028654.He did post ONE relevant book though:https://annas-archive.gl/md5/e484cec0f288c6e9ee68176e11f77ef9
>>538025407Nobody was offering to pay me any money for having a classical education. That's why nobody cares. If you'll just be poor anyway, why bother?
>>538032770There are two types of learning; learning for utility, and learning for intellectual cultivation, and they are mutually exclusive.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAp8hX0U-jw
>>538032989I studied art but art used to be a skill until AI started plagiarizing all human talent. So there used to be some utility, but even before AI, people had a bad opinion of artists and the arts and most people don't really want to pay an artist. It's a weird cognitive dissonance where people think drawing is impossibly difficult, but also they don't want to pay an artist to draw things. They don't want to give any monetary value to the art they couldn't produce, and now that AI can do it for free, art is truly dead.
>>538033184AI can't do it, though. AI art looks like garbage.
>>538033184Classical education is the seven liberal arts, which is distinct from the fine arts, you're talking about the latter.
>>538033320might be a miscommunication. Here in the USA we call all the arts liberal arts and the things that matter are called STEM, science, technology, engineering, math
>>538025407Much of modern education is refinements and improvements on the classical method. They teach the "important" parts of Latin in k-8 English class, ie. identifying roots to derive meaning.For every flaw with common core, one could point to flaws in classical mathematics education.Logic/critical thinking probably should be explicitly addressed more often. But they almost always exist as electives anywhere.The arts are gay.So there isn't much reason to pursue a classical education in the modern world in the same sense there isn't much reason to learn how to use a scythe now that weed eaters exist.
>>538033617Academia hijacked the term "liberal arts". The SEVEN liberal arts of the medieval classical education of Europe is what I'm talking about. It has nothing to do with "a liberal arts education", that's why I said CLASSICAL EDUCATION, and not a liberal arts education, and it's why I put that word SEVEN there. A classical education is the seven liberal arts, which are:grammarlogicrhetoricarithmeticgeometrymusicastronomyThe first three of those are the Trivium, the last four are the Quadrivium.https://www.youtube.com/playlist?app=desktop&list=PLNnqqvK2yDEFVdM_5wV4Od8kV2GaSo7jzI also said a classical education has nothing to do with school and college, and is in fact the opposite of it. As for college, see this clip which I posted earlier: >>>/wsg/6186491This is the source:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upFxaYnrs-A
>>538033893No, you're just brainwashed and ignorant. Modern education exists to dumb down the masses.
>>538034103Do you have a logical argument or are you going to just continuously reassert this emotionally motivated conclusion of yours?
>>538034251>emotionally motivatedwhatever you say
>>538034459So you don't have a logical argument.
>>538025407Swedebro, are you aiming to make a version of the late self-improvement general that doesn't revolve around lifting? You post stuff like this quite often.Anyway, I support it. Have a bump.
Most people here are not ready for the classical education pill. They are just at babby's first redpill, the Jews. That's like step 1 of the initiation. A classical education is like step 5.
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>>538034910>classical educationThe last refuge of idiots.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAufhxIVx1g
>>538034910Enlightenment is not a straight and narrow path, nor is it a single destination. There are a great many roads entangled incomprehensibly lain out before you. Many fields of study, trails of practice, and a vast expansive waste paved with tragedy, sacrifice, and broken dreams.No matter the course one plots, the ego is a stumbling block common to all. For just as every token of knowledge and memento of experience we collect reminds us we've tread where others have not, this newfound weight makes the well-beaten path to Abaddon ever more appealing.
>>538025407My gf is pregnant with our first child. We are moving out to a more rural area and we want to homeschool (she was a middle school teacher, who quit because of forced vaccination during the pandemic). I asked her about teaching the trivium, which she’s open to. I’m currently reading “how to read a book,” by Mortimer Adler, which I believe was the inspiration for Miriam Joseph’s work. Just to add to your thread. Also, bump.
>>538036224Pseudointellectual ramblings of a brainwashed ignoramus, wrong, all paths are not equal.https://sacred-texts.com/mas/sof/sof28.htmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvYaOtciyfk&t=18430
>>538026024All that cope and you still fell for MIGA. You are too low iq and easily manipulated to ever reevaluate, so continue serving as cattle.
>>538025407It was deemed racist by my government
>>538037135>all paths are not equal.You may need to work on your reading comprehension. Nowhere did I imply that they were. This statement is a non-sequitur.
Because fuck you. Bauhaus won. Bauhaus reich. Modernism is the new way.
>>538025407It's worthless. Henry Adams wrote a book about how worthless a classical education was to him over 100 years ago.
>>538034018>>538025407I understand the reason to study grammar, logic and rethoric, as they teach how to reason and communicate, but what's the point of arithmetic, geometry, music and astronomy (besides the practical use of basic maths)?
>>538027290>>538028131Also, if you think that learning is hard, and if you think that you need to test your own progress or whatever, there is a teaching method pioneered by BF Skinner which apparently was very popular in the 60s, called Programmed Instruction (PI). Maybe it's something for you. The idea is that you learn by getting constantly tested and getting immediate feedback. You learn a tiny bit of information, and then right away you're tested on it. Each piece is called a frame, and there can be anywhere from one frame per page or so up to many frames per page, like one word per frame. Karl Sandberg wrote language learning books in this format. Beware though that the French book has many typos. I think the German book is the only one that doesn't have many typos. You put a postcard or similar on the page and slide it down to reveal one row or "frame" at a time. Or on a screen you can scroll to achieve the same effect.Germanhttps://annas-archive.gl/md5/d041c9cfe501cacecdac11cdc3af46b3Frenchhttps://annas-archive.gl/md5/85af4a5d243cf0bab2be900c872b29e1Spanishhttps://annas-archive.gl/md5/70a87ad182361704a158ebf9e96cb2edhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmed_learningAnother book using this method is Bobby Fisher Teaches Chess.
>>538037690I don't really know, but I know that all four of those are mathematics.seehttps://sacred-texts.com/mas/sof/sof28.htmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvYaOtciyfk&t=18430https://www.youtube.com/playlist?app=desktop&list=PLNnqqvK2yDEFVdM_5wV4Od8kV2GaSo7jzI know that Euclid's Elements is more than just geometry. Seehttps://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-jan-30-oe-crease30-story.htmlEuclid's Elements, and Euclidean geometry, teaches you logic, how to synthesize complex structures of thought and language from simpler elements, and how to analyze complex structures of thought and language into simpler elements.synthesize = to combine different parts or ideas to form a single, complex wholeanalyze = to break something complex down into its smaller parts to understand how it works or what it consists ofPicrel is from Lewis Carroll's book Euclid and His Modern Rivals, which is a defense of teaching Euclid's Elements in schools, which they were already considering suppressing when this book was written in the late 19th century.>It is the ἐνέργεια rather than the ἔργον that we need here.this means>We’re interested in the doing, not the thing done.In other words geometry is the matter dealt with in Elements, but the primary thing it teaches is the reasoning process.The book is written as a play, and the dialogue there is between a mathematician named Minos and Euclid's ghost.https://archive.org/details/euclidhismodernr00carrhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclid_and_His_Modern_Rivals
>>538037690Here's the part about music in that playlist, linking it again. It says that music in the seven liberal arts is entirely mathematical in character.https://youtu.be/9oqrxe5Bqh0&t=1640>>538026446You can read about the ultimate purpose of the seven liberal arts in the image here >>538032989. I'm reposting it here with the most relevant part highlighted. It's about liberation through cultivation of the intellect. I think it's about moving the mind into the realm of eternal pure ideas, and that's why it's about language and mathematics, these things are about ideas. The idea of an equilateral triangle is eternal, meaning it exists beyond time and space, and isn't owned by anyone.
>>538034910Classical education is good but I've never been impressed with anyone who has a classical ed's understanding of the modern world. Most are economically illiterate, and without (classical) economics it's difficult to understand the flaws in our system, which is built upon rentier privilege. The irony is that this singular understanding is more valuable from a raw utility perspective (by dint of living inside such a system) than the rest of classical study combined. If Silvio Gesell was mandatory reading among classic ed programs my opinion would change.
>>538042678As I said before there are two types of learning, learning for utility and learning for cultivation of the intellect. The whole point of a classical education is to be liberated by moving your mind into the realm of eternal pure ideas, and that it isn't useful. I posted a video earlier. Your mentality is that of what he calls a merchant. It goes deeper. You're approaching it from a utilitarian mindset, the exact mindset a classical education liberates you from.As he says in his video>the cathedrals in Europe were not raised because someone required additional office space.>Think of the symphonies. The symphony was>not composed to improve agricultural yield.>The sonnet was not written to facilitate trade.>And yet, who would dare call these creations trivial? And we cherish them precisely because they transcend>the ordinary arithmetic of utility.https://youtu.be/KAp8hX0U-jw&t=384
>>538043854Yes, I am approaching it from a utilitarian mindset. The reason is that we do not live in a world of equal access to opportunity, but one where access is gated by private interests who use their privileged control of such chokepoints to maximize their personal ease via tollboothing. No amount of classical ed magically frees one's self from the nature of this reality so long as the system the subject lives inside of is the present one. Being that the case, the true liberation comes from actually understanding the system so that one can navigate it and subvert it and/or leverage it to personal benefit. Either case is impossible for an individual who is merely "classically educated" but lacks the understanding necessary to bend rentier privilege to his own will (and thus lives at the mercy of those who do); meanwhile one who possesses such understanding may lack a single word of Latin but experience true freedom within a system that he can actually navigate.
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unfortunately i am so sorry at this time but there is no way for a pajeet to study his way into belonging in the west. take your knowledge home and see what difference it makes. that's why you don't belong
learn to recognize pajeet threads. learn to stop giving (You)s, which end up as rupees, to the wrong posters. jews pay pajeets to spam this board en masse with the same agendas that you're still associating with only jews. since 2023 you are much more likely to see jew noise posted by a pajeet. there are a hundred times as many pajeets as there are jews. if you want any part of the internet to survive, you must detect, reject and redeem pajeets everywhere you find them
pajeets should be posting on bharatchan and living on the subcontinent
>>538045213That's why Jews keep oppressing and subverting people like you. You're simply a lost cause. "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink." Jews know this.
>>538046004Ironically you only describe yourself.
>>538025407https://youtu.be/IwLSrNu1ppI?si=SNv1LOXG1F562I0d
>>538025407>your excuse There’s no point as western civilization, economy and even the people have been erased and replaced.
>>538033893>western Globohomo jew indoctrination camp is completely fine goyim Lmfao, fuck off anti-White male piece of shit
>>538036246>excitedly reading jew brainwashing books What
>>538046933non sequitur
>>538025407I have studied Greek and Latin at school and I'm studying it now by myself just because I want to be able to read those classics better. I don't care about music or astronomy, I just like languages, I'm also practicing French and German everyday. I just do those things because I like doing them and it's nice to see the little improvements everyday
>>538047720That's great but it doesn't really answer the question why you're not working on a classical education. Music and astronomy in the context of classical education are entirely about mathematics, and come later on. I think you should look into logic/the Trivium. The Trivium is the tools of thought. see >>538029927
>>538025622post tits>>538025646wrong, stay mad
