a veteran developer from dragon age game series say that "AI is a plague"https://muropaketti.com/pelit/peliuutiset/pelikehittaja-lataa-tekoaly-on-kuin-rutto/David Gaider said AI is like a plague. Developers no longer need to know anything, they just put AI at work and they dont have artistic eye either so they accept whatever slop the AI comes up with.And then they release to public when they definetely should not.Gaider takes great pride in Dragon Ages he has developed, all without AI.He claims "AI products are without a soul"Gaider was fired after he released Dragon Age Inquisition.These were the main points about Inquisition which were deemed as bad:>bloated quests not suitable for game scope>bad pacing in story>disjointed narrative (its an open world game, you could wander to "wrong neighborhood" at wrong time)boring quests:>collect 100 flowers and return with them in possession>collect a lot of Dragon Shards to open certain doors, go back if you find out you dont have enoughfinally: it doesnt matter if you are good or evil the ending of the game is always the same (but you get blue color for good and red color for bad, in the visuals)
>>538103269Booba
>>538103467he is still right about AI
>AI is a plagueI agree 100%
>>538103467Dragon Age Inquisition was made by Bioware in 2014, back when gaming still had some hope of being decent. Not the peak but also not the bottom like we're in now.
>>538103269The problem is that Epic/Unity/Nvidia/AMD/IntelEVERYONE has incentive to make game as unoptimized and sloppy as possibleEveryone makes money on it.Its intentional.If devs from those times got NVIDIA suitcases of money to just not optimize their games so much cause hardware needs selling, they would also do it and he is full of shit.
>>538103269AI is based as fuck you trannyfaggot
>>538103608Game engines are not the issue, there are plenty of good games that use all of those common engines (Unity, Unreal, etc).The issue is that the people in charge of making these games are a bunch of cringe theater kid millenials. The same kind of people who would wear invader zim backpacks in highshcool are now making your games.Also the teams have become largely women which explains why everything is woke and gay.
>>538103269there's no such thing as a vet devmost of the people presenting themselves as vet devs are leeches that managed to stick to an host longer than the rest
>>538103269He sounds scared af lmao
>>538103269>>538103467>>538103627>>538103835>Baldur's Gate 2>Neverwinter Nights>Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic >Dragon Age: OriginsThis guy has one of the best track records in all of Western game development, bow the fuck down when he speaks.
>>538103269That’s because AI can replace her. I can’t wait to make my own game in a fantasy world if AI gets better. Then if I can get crowd funding I could hire a real team to polish it up
>>538103269lmao the guy who worked on a complete piece of shit is trying to lecture people about ai usage? no thanks, retard lol
>>538103269inquisition sucked
>>538103916>writerlollmao even
>>538103943Nobody is ever going to buy AI turds from a random guy who has never made anything himself, let alone polish them.
>>538103943>distracted by picrel, didn't read thread post
>>538103943Are you retarded? If and when AI gets good enough to allow a random fag with no development experience to create a full complex game, the world will be drowning in shitty crowdfunding proposals like yours.
>>538103813https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7o9VHxXTwg>game devs are lazyits bought and paid for nigger thats why they dont give a fuck when their games flop
>Gaider takes great pride in Dragon Ages he has developed, all without AI.>He claims "AI products are without a soul">Gaider was fired after he released Dragon Age Inquisition.kek. maybe hes jelly AI will do a better job
>>538103269>These were the main points about Inquisition which were deemed as bad:Inquisitor was better than Dragon Age 2, honestly. It was insufferably woke, but its gameplay was quite good. Origins of course blows both out of the water.
>>538103516nope, only generative ai art maybe, butusing claude code for example only helps you skip reinventing the wheel for the 100000th time so you can focus on design. no "soul" or better product is achieved by going to a forum/tutorial and punching in the vector3/input stuff for player movement for the trillionth time as opposed to simply prompting claude to create a player controller, and with specific parameters. the latter lets you achieve soul much faster because you are able to rapidly iterate and achieve the feeling you like best as opposed to fiddling with a script to create the same skeleton everyone else has made before finally being able to edit it only once you've spend time doing the manual setup people made shit that looked like "ai churned it out" years before ai, and they will do so after, with or without these tools. the best point i could agree to is that at a certain point you dont want everyone being reliant on if, but if someone has the idea that an agent that helps you rapidly prototype different ideas and tie your design ideas together somehow creates a "soulless ai product" probably has some very juvenile mystified view of coding and game development in general
>>538104349Okay and? I’m doing this as a hobby
>>538104640In case you didn't notice, Steam and mobile stores are already full to the brim with games made with AI and advertised with AI, and nobody is playing any of that trash.
>>538104354it's not "game devs" that are lazy, it's the creative directors and writer teams etc that are writing cringe shit.yes, some things are technical but most games suffer from being absolutely insufferable rather than being unplayable.
>>538104349the good things will rise to the top. ai cannot make a unique experience on its own, when someone tries to oneshot an entire game with a gigantic prompt, it is completely obvious upon playing.
>>538104738Prompting is not a hobby, it's self-harm.
>>538103269>Gaider was fired after he released Dragon Age InquisitionDeservedDAI was pozzed tranny shit and they ruined my Morrigan by making her tits smaller.>>538103627tranny or jeet?
>>538103269I remember the very first Dragon Age. It fucking sucked ass. A friend is my Dad bought a copy, hated it, gave it to my dad cuz they all knew I'm a god-gamer, and I hated it so much I threw that box and discs straight in the garbage.
>>538104804you are proving my point, you can only tell when its the most obvious oneshotted slop. i can assure you there are literally good games RIGHT NOW in nextfest that utilized claude code or an mcp in designing their game, and they may have only been possible because the sole passionate person behind it didnt have to spend 25 years becoming john carmack. yes, nail salon simulator 90000 was likely an asset flip that was oneshotted with a gigantic claude prompt, however things like vholume and brekekekex almost certainly utilized some mcp, yet people love them. its a tool
>>538104855Did you ever write a book, or even just a short story? How about drawing? Sculpting? Composing music?This world is full of people suffering from the Dunning–Kruger effect.
>>538105086AI could prob make a better Dragon Age at this point
>>538104841you still dont see the problemraytracingpoor optimisation4k+ res textures for no reason100-200gbs for almost basic looking shitits intentionaloptimisation was thrown out of the window so chip makers sell new shitWe almost killed off Nvidia when they released 1080It was sucha overkill and it was overkill till recent years as well they had to invent running 200% resolution scaled down back to 100% as justification for excess hardware performancethey learned their lesson you didnt.
>>538105186yes i am quite literally a 3D game animator, i understand the dangers of generative ai better than anyone. i am telling you that claude code is genuinely not the soulless "make the game for me" thing you think it is. a game is not made better by scouring forums to cobble together code from people who have found a solution to the thing you are trying to d as opposed to using plain english to describe the thing you want and iterating upon it. this is maths and logic, you are still overwhelmingly problem solving and iterating, punching in the name of that variable manually does not make your product better in the same way that manually keyframing an animation does
>>538103269I have nothing to add. I just came to say she has an exceptionally pretty face.
>>538105435literally all of that was happening before llms
>>538105106>I can assure youYou can't, though. Also>good games
>>538105600you arent really engaging with what im saying though. its a tool to help design and iterate faster. you gain no soul by manually entering a variable amount or manually hooking up script inheritance. Also if you cant find anything at all to like this nextfest you're just being obtuse and probably dont like video games lol
>>538105465If more people punched in the name of that variable manually, modern games wouldn't be overbloated and overbugged garbage that runs poorly even on a 5090.
>>538103269Right but dei, esg, feminism and globohomo are a good thing right? Fuck this bitch
>>538103916>dragayon gay: gayogins
>>538103269I assume she was the dialogue writer for Failguard
>>538105423>it's not Hollywood jews attempting to take over the game industry to push an anti-white agenda it's just... millennials ok, zoomer
>>538103516The problem is hiring retards that don't know how to program or do art in the first place.They fired the 1990's wizards and replaced most of them with pajeets and foidsThe few remaining tech wizards now being replaced with AI.Now it's jeets, HR foids + AI. They went from mediocre slop, to pure slop.
>>538106509Mark my words, GTA 6 will be the biggest shitfest in gaming history.https://youtu.be/2V2bcsyDyJY
>video game developer (aka tranny or tranny lover)>kvetching about AI>"slop"DIS CAR DED
>>538107257I'm betting on Cyberpunk 2077 shit fest.The cynic in me says DEI simulator so bad that it doesn't even let you mow down the hordes of niggers with your car.Rockstar 2000 isn't the same as Rockstar 2026>Rockstar 2000Nerds and edge lords >Rockstar 2026HR foids out the ass.
>>538107304Jeet.
>>538107304trannyjeet trannyjeet you need to get your ass beat
>>538103269>>Gaider takes great pride in Dragon Ages he has developed,He shouldn't
>>538103916None of these games was good
>>538107859>>538108476Nope, I'm a White American. I just recognize that fighting against new technology and progress is a fool's errand.Imagine being a telegraphist in the 1940's arguing about how home phones are just "talk slop" and if you use a telephone you're actually a nazi and you sit there tapping away at your telegram machine as the rest of the world moves on past you.Imagine being someone in the 1950's saying TV is a fad and it's just "video slop" and it's a waste of time and TV is never going to go anywhere.Imagine being in the 90's and you say personal computers are "computer slop" and it's a waste of time and energy to learn how to use one and you'd rather just read the news paper instead.You are completely shooting yourself in the foot by refusing to adapt to new tech that is obviously going to shape the way the world works going forward. But keep on sticking your head in the sand, I don't give a fuck. I'm going to learn how to leverage this tech to enrich myself while you die on your hill.
>>538103269>Developers no longer need to know anythingthis is completely false, you need to be expert to truly leverage the new technology
>>538107504>>538107257Rockstar’s best game was Bully and I’m tired of pretending otherwise
>>538108772Coding with AI is an infinite technical debt generator and a very good way to completely crash your project with no survivors in the space of six months.
>>538105777AI will actually help with this. It already knows the weird quirks and edge cases of whatever it is you ask it to do, things you would need to be an absolute neckbeard sitting on programming forums all day to find out (the same place the AI got it from). Games today are unoptimized because devs do not fully understand the engine they are working with. For Clair Obscur, a day 1 mod that massively improved performance was to change the engine settings; the devs had left them all on default because they didn't understand them. AI would have caught this and did it automatically or at least suggested they look into it.
>>538108772Dumb first example since texting and communicating on the Internet through text both overcame phone communication, so the telegraphists won in the end Cable TV is dying if not already practically dead Time to be a little smarter
>>5381055942017 is llm start
>>538108999>Coding with AI is an infinite technical debt generatornot if you actually know what you're doing, like instead of just half-assing the prompt write an actual spec, do a single component/function at a time and define the input/output well
AI has not created a good game yet. The person in the OP is probably not even a developer if I had to guess
>>538109278>AI has not created a good game yetbecause its not a magic solution or capable of autonomy, its a tool for experts to leverage, I am working on a completely unique type of game right now that integrates the new technologies in completely novel way, see you next year
Chatgpt is a nice tool to use. I ask it a lot of questions a health care provider would charge me a fortune for.
>>538108999Absolutely no argument. >these smartphones will never amount to anything, DERP!
>>538108999Like most tools, if you use it like a retard, then you'll get retarded results yes. I didn't say to code your entire project with AI. There are a million different ways to use AI in varying degrees to improve your work in just about every field, not just coding. I'm sorry you're mentally deficient and have zero creativity to be able to use a tool without it becoming a crutch.>>538109063Oh really how many telegraphists are there today tapping away at a little Morse code translator? New tech came along and replaced all those jobs.Cable TV dominated the world for nearly 70 years. An entire lifetime to build business and profit off the technology. Then NEW TECH CAME ALONG AND PEOPLE ADAPT, just like how (You) are now using the internet. I'm sure the internet will dominate for a generation or so before some new tech comes along and people jump to that. Does that mean the internet was a waste?
>>538103269DAYUM GAME DEVLOPERS ARE THAT DEVOLPED NOW!?!
>>538103269>>collect 100 flowers and return with them in possession
>>538109582The world doesn't need another porn game anon
>>538109862It does but only for my specific fetish
>>538103269David Gaider is a gay pedophile
>>538109862I can't include any of that in the release version, its for the user to mod in themselves
>>538103269lust provoking imagetime wasting screed
>>538103269>guy>whos>job>it>is>is>to>do>monotonous>programming>says>ai>is>a>plague
>>538108772didn't read a word but I already know it's retarded shit
>>538103269dragon age was pretty gay to begin with. The first part was somewhat ok, but it already had a lot of gay shit shoehorned in an obvious way. And it was one of the first games, if not the first, to ever do that. The games before that, if they had some gay tropes, they didn't make them stand out
>>538108705BG2 was very good. Neverwinter Nights was pretty boring. DLCs save it though. Kotor was good. DA:O was ok
>>538103269There is a problem with younger developers specifically. I get asked to help troubleshoot things all the time that they obviously got from AI. They can't even do simple conditional statements correctly.
>>538103269maybe stop playing gayms and go touch grass?
>>538111030which is funny because LLMs actually do SQL and conditional statements rather well if you instruct the machine well enough
>>538108476>>538107859Your jobless and broke and have no real skills and or too weak for blue collar. I get pure schadenfreude from your misery
>>538104640Talking most sense in this thread imo
>>538103269I somehow doubt that the pinnacle of non-AI human creativity is the glorification of homosexuals
>>538106509The good news is that wizards still exist, and there will be wizards + AI making games that destroy all of the foid slop.
>>538109930Marc Lepine simulator?
