>>538113037if they grow up with you, only speak your language and have no connections to other countries where else they should go?
>>538113037more debt, more tax money, more annoyance to high IQ white voter
>>538113037If you're born in America, you're an American. Simple as.
I voted for this
The original understanding of the law was to prevent American Indians from being considered American citizens when they were born technically in America, but on a different sovereign soil. Got a bunch of gooks before the 1900s moved here, and bitch that their kids should be an American citizen just because he was born here and they planned on living here. That's at the precedence for if your kids born on American soil, they're American even though that's not the reason for the amendment in the first place. You also have to know that this was before airplanes and tourism to different countries, that was a rich person's luxury. Nobody thought beaners would be sprinting across the border to have a kid so they could get American rights. But hey, if they want to keep birthright citizenship I'm fine, keep the kid, ship the parents back, put the kid in a work camp... I mean Foster home
>>538113124That's not my problem
why do chuds seethe and try to subvert the plain language of the constitution instead of trying to pass another amendment? most people would be fine with some limitations on it, but it needs to actually be spelled out, not just retarded policy dictated on a whim by trump with no compromise
>>538113211America is replacing me and my neighbors with india while saying they're suddenly naturalized americans.
>>538113037imagine citizens are tax cattle and then you understand why they want more citizens
>>538113037>Law sounds retarded>Oh No!! Let's Repeal the Constitution!Doesn't work that way Matthew Walsh.
>>538113266Great then neither is them having citizenship
Miggers keep your hands off the Constitution, you devils
>>538113124Literally not our problem it's their parent's problem and fault. It's absurd to expect the rest of us to clean up after their lazy mess.
>>538113037Mandatory pregnancy tests for any woman entering the US legally, and ban anyone in the country illegally from obtaining birthright citizenship. Simple as.
>>538113347You're a fucking retard, kill yourself.
>>538113293America has always been a melting pot of different cultures from all over the world
>>538113124>No you can't just seize the ill-gotten assets of a mobster and leave his poor children destitute on the street. What did they do to deserve that?
>>538113037Niggers
>>538113507No it hasn't you fucking kike. Gas yourself.
>>538113124The sun
>>538113037They wrote the constitution when it wasn't possible, and were solving the problem that the USA is NOT a nation.It is not "a people".
>>538113037White people bad?Did you just forget the war you lost that made you write that in the constitution to start with?
>>538113037The 14th amendment which has been upheld for over 150 years. I thought the right liked the constitution I don’t see the problem
>>538113507neck yourself moishe
>>538113412What bout the dudes… I mean one guy can physically impregnate at least 10-15 women a month if not more… yea the mother would be the citizen but that still entitles the foreign father and his chain migration lol
>>538113347>reading comprehensionIts not my problem where the golem takes its anchor baby.Just go back to mexico you ugly beaner
>>538113124Back to their country of origin DUH >But but butDon't care
>>538113554It says it right there, the quota system in 1924 didn't reflect American values.
>>538113220just like 2nd amendment wanted you to have muskets and militias but turned out it was shart mart ar15s in the end, do you really want to set the stage for people to be able to repeal the amendments willy nilly? next they will come for your guns and free speech to defend the datacenters
>>538113290Same reason why you faggots try to make unconstitutional gun control laws instead of passing an amendment.
>>538113037Chinese baby farms used to build votes, I am not even joking
>>538113037birthright citizenship is based on the truth. US citizenship is worthless.people seething today are still in the thrall of the illusion that the US is a functioning nation and works in the interests of its "citizens"lmao even
>>538113037Female feels
>>538113124If they really wanted to be American, they would've waited until they reached adulthood before coming here.Thanks to the left, babies don't have any rights in the US and are constantly getting aborted.
>>538113037A straightforward reading of the 14th Ammendment
>>538113037It was a way to give the injun and nigger minorities citizenship guaranteed and not leave it up to the states making things confusing. Problem is the people in that time didn’t even fathom America being anything other than supermajority white and the consequences if it wasn’t.Same reason income tax was illegal and retards 100 years ago voted to amend the constitution to allow taxed income, they were sold the idea it was exclusively a wealth tax the top 2% of greedy oil barons and railroad tycoons would pay. It only took 10 years before 90% of Americans were paying income tax and now not paying income tax is unheard of no matter how lowly your job.
>>538113695>a greasy kike is the one who determines what reflects American valuesGas yourself twice, kike.
>>538113554We should let in all the antisemitics because clearly they're onto something with being monocultured
>>538113577They claim to like the constitution, until the moment it gets in Trumps way. In this case its getting in the way of the GOP having any chance in midterms because everyone is tired of Trumps shit, so it just has to go and with haste because Trump said so.
>>538113638Like it was ever a problem. You're just a goy to them. Not even human, why would they care if more goy get to flood the slave state? Your a bigger idiot then most if you think your problems even remotely matter. We live in the goy world, we deal with the goy problems while the kikes happily create them. There is only one solution too.
>>538113764Never should have happened. Too bad our ancestors weren't harder, too bad they didn't actually just genocide them all. Now look at the mess we have to deal with.
>>538113737You are just an economic zone without culture or identity. Thank the jew for that for which you are the perfect tool.
>>538113577The 14th amendment was for freed slaves not for juanita from Guatemala.As of today H1B is officially not a temporary worker program, if the scabs shit out a kid on American soil they become permanent residents.
>>538113124This all has nothing to do with what was discussed. This question of birthright citizenship happens at the moment of birth, before anything you said matters at all. Stupid fucking finn
>>538113577>Upheld for 150 yearsDistilling was ruled unconstitutional after 158 years
>>538113699>do you really want to set the stage for people to be able to repeal the amendments willy nilly?That would mean... no women or minorities voting? I guess at that point there would be no need for any amendments at all since all freedom comes from White men to begin with.
>>538113853We know
>>538113037thats what the constitution says, dont like it? make an amendment chud, if you want to keep your first and second amendments you have to do it the correct way dummies
miggies just don't get it. there is a level of nuance to birthright citizen that they vaguely understand but are too stupid or too cowardly to articulate it. the so-called constitutionalist miggies don't actually hate birthright citizenship. it's in the constitution and it protects americans from the tyranny of its own government as defined in the 14th. a concept any true blooded american understands. what miggies REALLY want is an exception clause so illegals are not included. which is totally fair its a common argument leftoids bring up. but since miggies can't articulate that their argument is to instead foolishly try to go against the Supreme Court. which of course fails and of course miggies have another melty
>>538113774>a greasy kike is the one who determines what reflects American values Neither does some anon on the internet. It really was a big mistake letting Trump get away with so much shit. Miggers got so used to it they think they can just sidestep the constitution whenever they want because they're special lmao.
>>538113037>rationaleslave labor for republicans and votes for democrats.they are never going back.
>>538113984When Democrats come back into power expect a fucking coup from them
As of today it's official, the supreme court dose not uphold the rule of law they uphold the globalist agenda.I wonder what kind of dirt they have on Roberts release the Epstein files.
>>538113316But the "people" they are importing are a net tax loss anon. It does not function and is basically controlled suicide. The welfare state is not a functioning economic model and never was.
>>538113915If only women and minorities would vote you wouldn't be fellating israel as a national sport so i guess that would be an improvement? However you can't claim to be a constitutionalist while simultaneously trying to push for stuff you dislike on a personal level out of it.
>>538113037Without birthright citizenship, you're left with citizenship by blood ... and only Native Americans have a blood claim to the land. The rest of you are mutts, and so are they desu. Here in the Old World a DNA test can tell you what you are, Americans can't - American DNA tests show them to be mystery meat of European/African/Asian descent. Unlike our countries, what makes Americans American isn't genetic.
>>538113124home, to their own country
The "right" will do fucking nothing.
>>538113124Sounds like a whole lot of not my fucking problem your parents are lazy and stupid criminals.
>>538113945Nah they can just be killed
>>538113037jews
>>538113774More than some antisemitic loser who doesn't appreciate all the good work Jews have done to build America in the first place
>>538113577The 14th Amendment was illegally added to the Constitution in the first place.
>>538113201Taxation isn't where government money comes from.So the "they pay taxes" argument is a total lie.
>>538113699flintlock machine guns existed when the 2nd amendment was written. you could also own canons and even warships at the time. the type of weapons you could own was left unspecified on purpose, because the intent of the law was to allow the citizenry of the united states to have the appropriate firepower to kill a tyrannical government should it arise. unfortunately the amendment has yet to be utilized, despite decades of tyranny against the american people by a government compromised by foreign interests.
>>538114196I’m 100% Anglo Rajesh.And you’re some brown stain from the slums of Uttar Pradesh.
>>538113706Well regulated militia bub
>>538113037>somebody who is born in America being American is retarded and indefensible Conservatives are braindead imbeciles.
>>538113806They don’t care about the constitution at all Trump has infringed on the>1st >2nd >4th >5th >6th >8th >14thProbably more too. They hate the constitution
>>538113211A chinaman born in the bathrooms at JFK International, who has spend the past 40 years living in China working for the CCP, is an American? A mexican who was born 30 minutes after his mom ran past a checkpoint is American? If a pregnant arabian circus midget if is fired out of a giant sling shot over the US-Canada border and she poops out a baby when she bounces, that kid is an American?
>>538113037he is really back peddling hard from his pro r-word stance.
>>538114307>the good work Jews have doneAnd look what jewish hands have done to America now
>>538113290>the plain language of the constitutionTell me if you remove the clause "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof," does it change the meaning? If not, why not?
>>538114498You are too funny to be here. Are you truly an incel? Why dö you even care?
>>538114441And that’s just the amendments, never mind all the original articles. The Emoluments Clause is probably his favorite square on the roll of constitutional toilet paper.
Jewish Brood parasitism. It's how they seek to kill our nations and our western civilization.
>>538113037Speed up the census back in colonial times
>>538113037miggers are malding lmaooit's simple, this land is SACRED, it's a privilege, it's a safe zone, once you pass the borders you are set, regardless of who you are now you are equal to everyone else, open to opportunities, a concept that's the pillar of american identity, it's not called the land of opportunities for decades out of nothing, it's why america is the greatest country of the world! if they went with some concept like say idk norway, sure, might be slightly whiter but it's weak meek and barely relevant in anything meaningful
>>538113124Beaners typically can’t speak our language though even after decades of toilet cleaning
The Supreme Court majority's ruling on birthright citizenship is consistent with the 14th Amendment. The Trump Administration's argument was always going to fail. I think birthright citizenship needs to go, but the only realistic way to get rid of it would be through Congress. A constitutional amendment would probably be necessary, and that's not going to happen any time soon.
>>538113706and that reason is?
>>538113806>claim to like the constitution, until the moment it gets in Trumps wayNo we like the constitution until we see it being weaponized by literal foreigners against Americans. Answer these if you will: >>538114498 >>538114605
>>538113764>people in that time didn’t even fathom America being anything other than supermajority white and the consequences if it wasn’t.the actual problem is that they DID foresee this but didn't plan for it anyway. several of the founding fathers wrote extensively about how foreigners would destroy the US from within if protections were not put in place. Thomas Jefferson for example once wrote that he didn't see any way for the country to reconcile with the nigger population and assimilate it into our country, and that allowing them to remain here would ultimately end with the destruction of either them or us. alexander hamilton wrote later in his life (two years before he died) about how the safety of our republic depended on an ethnically homogeneous population, and that taking in too many foreigners would subvert and destroy us. and he wasn't even talking about kikes or browns, he was talking about european whites who's cultures and languages were simply too different from the US culture of the time, and who's loyalties would always be in question. he and all of the founding fathers would be turning in their graves to see what a kike'd racial jungle the US has become today.
>>538113037Certain god given rights. Remember those?
>>538114120
>>538114824>only realistic way to get rid of it would be through CongressToday's ruling takes that off the table without SCOUTUS overruling their own decision right after they made it. That a large portion of Thomas's dissent. According to the Court we're in Amendment territory now. Fuck them.
>>538113124They don’t have to “go” anywhere, they just aren’t citizens. You do realize the vast majority of countries don’t have birthright citizenship, right? It’s not a very hard concept. You know how there’s millions of tourists or legal residents living and working in various countries but they don’t have the full privileges and powers of a citizen? Just do that for anyone not born of at least one American citizen. Wow that was incredibly fucking easy.
>>538113984we shouldn't need an exception clause to begin with. it very obviously never meant to apply to the children of foreigners or aliens. the guy who wrote the fucking amendment, jacob howard, said exactly that, in fact.
>>5381130371pbtid.
>>538114605>he doesn't know about personal jurisdiction if you're in a state the state has personal jurisdiction over you, unless you think you can get away with murder in California because actually you're from Nevada
>>538114964It could be argued they didn’t do enough but they clearly wrote it’s for white people in the naturalization act. I guess they didn’t accurately predict how that would be simply ignored and thrown away. What more could they have reasonably done in their time?
>>538115178except it's not in the amendment. so for all we know Jacob Howard actually meant the 14th to mean everyone gets a free pony too. laws are interpreted by what is written down. so if you don't want illegals included then you need to clarify that in an exception clause (easier) or rewrite the 14th (harder). hope this helps retard-kun
>>538115300You didn't answer the question.
>>538114824there will never be another constitutional amendment unless the country goes through mass ethnic cleansings, which to be sincerely honest I think that's what's coming in the next few decades as it really sinks in among white people that they've become a politically disenfranchised and demographically replaced minority in the nation their ancestors created for them, and that the only solution left is extreme violence.
>>538115333>What more could they have reasonably done in their time?added an actual amendment in the constitution saying that only white citizens of exclusively european ancestry could vote, for starters, since that's who they created the nation for.
>>538115403People need to understand the original conception of democracy and republics as well. The Greeks warned about what happens when you let golem hordes vote and the founders of the US restricted franchise too. Every smart person in history knows you don’t let hordes have a say in anything important. If you have to have a republic then restricted franchise is the only workable system.
>>538113337>strawmanThe problem is the horrendously broad interpretation of an amendment that was obviously intended to resolve the citizenship status of former slaves. The SC had an opportunity to interpret it according to the original intent but failed because women
>>538115078>*This only includes immigrants who pay federal taxes and are here legally.KEKCan't pay tax without an SSN or TIN. IRS also doesn't keep records on those who don't pay federal tax.
>>538115387your words are slippery and meaningless. you argue like a kike.
>>538113037nobody can answer thiswhy have extradition treaties if the home nation of a foreign national has zero jurisdiction over their national?extradition treaties have been made null and void by King Roberts by his reasoning.
>>538115502That would have just been subverted or worked around too. Modernoids would just claim “white” is impossible to prove and count every nigger as white. They already do that shit with Hispanics right now in census data and crime stats. The reality is the founders just couldn’t imagine their progeny being as retarded as they are.
>>538115078>chang and ranjeet's taxes pay for maria's and baptiste's entire lifekek, this is actually a win for whites I guess
>>538115078Now account for illegals, who aren't documented or tracked and don't pay taxes at all. And then account for the hundreds of billions in remittances that these parasites siphon away from the US every year.
>>538115627He looks like George Lucas's scrawny twin that got less nutrients in the womb
>>538114352They don't pay taxes anyway. Its how they can get paid less but are still able to afford to live in the US.
>>538113124Their parents' country along with their parents
>>538115627that's the problem with the wording of the amendment. when it was written everyone knew what it meant to be under the jurisdiction of the US, but 150 years later various subversives have warped and molded our language and culture, muddied our waters and our bloodlines, convoluted our code of law, and now it's an arbitrary rubber word that the jews bend as they see fit.
>>538113037LOLThey don't have to explain themselves to you, pleb
>>538116656It's literally this>The actual "explanation" is 194 pages long>Read the historical argument>"This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons"This was the legal argument / stipulation of its day, it didn't include foreigners.The entire point of the 14th amendment was to make it so niggers and indians were citizens. They were clearly not foreigners, being born and raised in the USA by parents who were born and raised here, or at least brought here for years against their will.Basically they give no explanation and say >Read my 194 page opinion, goyThis is why legalese is useless garbage, one singular quote and the historical purpose shuts this all down, but they don't have one quote, they have 194 pages.
>>538113124Honestly there are so many of them here from other countries, they could form their own subcultures of former US residents in their own countries when they go back without a problem.https://wokespy.com/4-of-haitis-entire-population-has-entered-u-s-under-biden-harris-and-thats-not-all/
>>538113220>But hey, if they want to keep birthright citizenship I'm fine, keep the kid, ship the parents backI think muttland is also one of the only country where you can get a "anchor baby". (Almost?) everywhere in Europe at least, parents cannot get a resident visa unless they depend on their kids. And obviously they can't be dependant on a minor, let alone a baby.
>>538113037You are a colony. This is how things happen in the New World. There is no American nation.
>>538113124Hell.
>>538113201It rapidly creates ties to other nations. There are born citizens with two citizen parents, then there are all the others as random Americans create and develop global ties>It's a web
>>538114395Right of the people, bub.
>>538113293>>538114498That's one way to say it's possible to create an American citizen with zero citizen parents, but practically it ranges from 1 to 2 citizen parents>Americans can create citizens in other countries through 1 citizen parent
>>538113037There is no good argument for birthright citizenship in current year. The supporters just support it out of spite because you don’t like it and it aligns with their politics
>>538113220Americans go to Mexico as well, and American citizenship is so open that it wouldn't surprise Americans to hear that an American citizen was created in Mexico>In America: 0-2 citizen parents are required (possible: both parents non-citizen)>In Mexico: only 1 citizen parent is required (possible: an American goes to Mexico and creates an American citizen)
>>538113037The concept of citizenship itself is retarded and mystical. Makes no logical sense thus can only be resolved politically
>>538113124this gets at the heart of the matterrightoids want the us to become a gulf monarchy, with a tiny ethnic native ruling class overseeing a vast majority population of stateless indians
>>538113124to your home
>>538121160No it’s incredibly intuitive and easy to understand. It’s just tribal in group belonging codified for a bureaucratic and large scale system. It’s no more mystical than some Stone Age grug going, “grug see non-grug faggot, grug kill”.
>lol
>>538113737>>538113935American citizenship creates a webbing effect, anyone can be a citizen but also Americans can create citizens in other countries too. It creates a rapid networking effect where born ties are created with many nations of origin>>538113853There are multi-cultures at this point. For example, there could be multiple scenes with different types of people doing the same thing (or maybe they do it at different times, for example repurposing old trends). You might recognize something but it's being done by a different group, it's very "parallel" and the way to operate is: look until you find
>>538113337The congressional record of the occupation government after the War of Northern Aggression (the only way the 13th to 15th Amendments would have been ratified--i.e., procedurally illegitimately) should not indicate a belief that all born in the US were citizens, only their new pet niggers (until said niggers moved north). Injuns were not citizens until 50 years later, despite this absurd interpretation. The solution if the rational interpretation cannot be understood in the jewstice system: Repeal the 13th through 15th (hint, they are not in the Constitution).
>>538121307>No it’s incredibly intuitive and easy to understand.I'm not saying it's not intuitive I'm saying you can derive citizenship logically or rationally, there's no reason why a person being born in certain place ought to belong legally to certain arbitrarily set boundary and peoples. It's literally religious thinking
>>538114363You are an inhuman mutt abomination
>>538114754Half of the spics I've met have been some of the haughtiest motherfuckers on the planet. Having some fucking beaner come up to you and mock your English-origin name while having one of the thirty or so conquistador rape-baby names the Spanish gave them is beyond ironic. You can't even nail down a name like "Cortez" to a single country, let alone a region. I did passport processing for two years, and that means I've seen millions of passports. Latin niggers have about thirty, maybe forty common last names and then rearrange them with a hyphen or two like the way Germans make words.All on top of being welfare leeches and lazy alcoholics that love raping white women and driving drunk. Thanks for everything you do, Mexico. God, they fucking piss me off so much.
>>538113124>hey this unfortunate kid was born on American soil by parents who recklessly and dishonestly decided to get pregnant and raise him here. He only knows english and American culture.Maybe we could give him green card status providing he is on his best behavior and pays a yearly fee? >no, the only answer is to give him citizenship
>>538115403You’re the one who’s getting cleansed
>>538113429U sound mad, did you feewings get huwted??
>>538114824SCOTUS already ruled on this in 1898
>>538113699Where do you get that notion from? Everything we have from the authors of the 2nd is about the citizenry being able to keep up with military powers, be it foreign or that of a corrupted America. Modern militaries do not rely on mere muskets, so to keep up the US citizen militias cannot be restricted to muskets either.
>Seriously what is the rationale behind birthright citizenship?Permanently settling the issue of citizenship to avoid the creation of a stateless underclass that may be stripped of rights or even enslaved.
>>538121671Yes, this is how it always worked. The kids of illegally imported slaves were given citizenship. The kids of illegal Chinese under the CEA were given citizenship. Alito and Thomas give two contradictory takes on Dredd Scott.The new right's interpretation of 14A has simply never been true, not in the 19th century, 20th, or 21st. It relies on a very strained reading of Won Kim Ark that is just bullshit, and some mental gymnastics about Dredd Scott.
>>538114830A 2/3 supermajority in both arms of the legislative branch would need to vote in favor of a constitutional amendment and neither party has the votes to do that in either case (gun laws vs birthright citizenship) or any other issue for that matter.
>>538115171The vast majority of countries in the Americas have birthright citizenship. It was a direct consequence of the lands being colonies of Europe. They needed a way to justify their own citizenship even though they had no previous ties to the country.
>>538121873The idea that the 14th Amendment conditioned citizenship on a person's parents being in the US legally is farcical at face value seeing as the language behind the Amendment was adopted in 1866, but the US didn't have any immigration controls that could create illegal immigrants until fucking 1868.How and why would the drafters intend to ban a category of people that did not exist from receiving citizenship?
*THIS SHIT WAS A TRAP*>dont set this precedent*THIS SHIT WAS A TRAP*>dont set this precedentif you "re-interpret" the constitution on birthright citizenship, GUESS WHATS NEXT?>"hurrr durrrrrrrr when the founding fathers wrote the 2nd amendment, they never considered muh fully semi-automatic assault rifle with HIGH CAPACITY magazines, they meant muskets and flintlocks ok!!! so its time to revisit this amendment!"i hope people see this for the obvious trap it isits a precedent you DONT want to set
>>538122301>They needed a way to justify their own citizenship even though they had no previous ties to the country.And what country would that be?
>>538113037Matt WalshSon of Jewish demons who swam across the Atlantic, shat his mom in the new world and called themselves Americans think he has an opinion of people who walked the land 100 thousands years before he's demon Grandma even knew what an America was. Opinion...Discarded.You don't like it, Israel has open borders for pedophiles, you'll love it there
>>538113266>>538113383Is your problem. An american citizen with brown skin. Suck it, retards.
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>>538113124>where else they should go?Israel
>>538113124>only speak your languageLMAO good onethere are adults who've lived here their whole life from infancy that only speak Spanish
>>538113507>muh melting potnice try moshe
>>538122368
>>538113037There isn't one anymore. Back in the day it was designed to expedite getting immigrants and workers into the US to fuel our growing economy.
>>538122031>stateless underclass that may be stripped of rights or even enslavedWe call those Americans, a people that go to work every day to pay taxes to foreigners and buy shit imported from China. Birthright citizenship converts Nations and their Countries into economic zones.
>>538115398>You didn't answer the question.The question doesn't relate to the controversy. The court found illegals and tourists are subject to the jurisdiction of the USA, as are their children when born here.>(2) The Citizenship Clause’s key phrase—“subject to the jurisdiction”—refers to the power of the United States to govern those within its territory. N. Webster, An American Dictionary of the English Language 732 (def. “jurisdiction”); J. Worcester, Dictionary of the English Language 1435 (def. “subject”). The scope of that power was settled largely by Schooner Exchange v. McFaddon, 7 Cranch 116, where Chief Justice Marshall explained that “jurisdiction” referred to “the full and complete power of a nation within its own territories,” “susceptible of no limitation not imposed” by the nation itself. Id., at 136. The narrow exceptions to jurisdiction arose where exercising jurisdiction would “degrade the dignity” of “foreign sovereigns”—most frequently in the case of “foreign ministers.” Id., at 136–139. But private individuals who traveled to the United States for “business or caprice” were “amenable to the jurisdiction of the country.” Id., at 144. Children born in the United States to parents unlawfully or temporarily present here are thus subject to the Nation’s jurisdiction. Pp. 10–12.
>>538113124back
>>538113037It makes miggers seethe that's all that matters
>>538113124Into the oven or gas chamber
Brownoids, you will never be americans
>>538113037The goverment (using your money) entitled to the baby to be it's cog in their wheel to produce for it because it used it's food and water to stay alive.
>>538122654>“subject to the jurisdiction”—refers to the power of the United States to govern those within its territory.If this is correct, you could remove the clause without affecting Birthright citizenship. Is the clause actually superfluous or is this definition wrong?
>>538122377Almost every country in the Americas and a couple of other countries (previously colonies) in other continents. Pay attention.
>>538122644>Birthright citizenship converts Nations and their Countries into economic zones."Americans" are not a "nation". Never have been. Certainly fucking weren't when the 14th was being written when there were still people alive born before the fucking country was founded.
>>538113037The rationale is people didn't expect it to be abused, because those laws were written at a time where they couldn't imagine corrupt idiots neglecting border security, encouraging illegals to hop the border so they could get more votes, or basically 99% of the chicanery we see today. The laws were written with the assumption that reasonable (though not perfect) white men would be in charge, and they'd act in the best interest of their country. They didn't write those laws ever thinking towelheads would be sitting in Congress, or dual citizen kikes would be in the senate. The laws were fine as written for the people and times they were meant for. If you completely replaced Somalia's constitution with the US constitution, it would still be shithole Somalia, because Somalia is niggers, not its borders or consitution.
>>538113124>only speak your languageGot some bad news for you.>t. "Lily-white" Utah
>>538122424
>>538122831>Almost every country in the Americas and a couple of other countriesWhat countries are you talking about memeflag.
>>538113037>retard on twitter says X threadIt goes on all fields
>>538113037Focused too much on the anchor, ignoring the fact that the anchor is attached to a chain, which is attached to a ship that is full of shitskins. They were too ambitious and too incompetent.
>>538113124The problem is incentivisng anchor babies in the first place. It never would have happened in the first place if they didn't allow it
>>538122797>If this is correct, you could remove the clause without affecting Birthright citizenship. Is the clause actually superfluous or is this definition wrong?Neither. You are wrong about the possibility of removing the clause.There are 3 situations where someone could be within the US but not governed by the US.1. They are in occupied territory wherein US laws cannot be enforced during time of civil war or invasion.2. They are shielded from US law by diplomatic status3. They are shielded from US law by treatyAt the moment 1 and 3 don't apply to anyone, but 2 does.
>>538122850"born or naturalized" isn't bad, other countries require at least 1 citizen parent for born which is true but for the most part in America it's>0-2 citizen parents to create a citizen>1 citizen parent to create a citizen outside AmericaIt rapidly creates ties to outside nations while reading as a simple "born or naturalized" so in practical terms America is rooted in a lot of places and it's all very normal
>>538122797Is this line of questioning leading somewhere or are you just arguing to argue? Make a point or shut up faggot
Life begins at conception, children born to pregnant migrants should not automatically get citizenship unless they can prove the deed was done on US soil.
>>538113124I am not memeing or joking when I say this: I don’t care. I don’t care how they got here, I don’t care how long they’ve been here, all I care is that my country was stolen from me and my people have lost what was ours because tens of millions of people entered our lands against our wishes. Again, not joking, I want them gone. I don’t care if they go willingly, I don’t care if they’re dragged, I don’t care if they’re sent back in pieces. I don’t care whether it’s legal, I don’t care whether it’s illegal. I just want them out.And you know what? I was the libshit making excuses for them 15 years ago. I’m the moderate.
Seeing MAGA retards on twitter acting like the 100 plus year old amendment is now going to end the republic is fucking funny.
>>538122845>"Americans" are not a "nation"And there it is: "You don't exist and your country is not yours."
>>538123136Based all huwites should go back to Europe and all niggers back to Africa. America for Americans!
>>538123122They shouldn't be given any citizenry, that is the bottom line.
>>538113316Government money doesn't come from taxation though.Even if i was, illegals are less taxable. A very real part of this is that illegal immigration is trafficking and there's a certain type of person in America that wants access to little kids.
>>538113124They don't speak my language. They form cloistered communities where they explicitly do not integrate into society. They then plot and lobby to absorb power into their ethnic communities that they absorb from other communities.
>>538122964
>>538123136Nobody cares, loser.>>538123164>You don't existSure you exist.>your country is not yoursAmerica belongs to you just as much as any other citizen of your country.
>>538123329But enough about rednecks.
>>538123159The Republic is the Nation and that Nation was highly selective about who could be American.So you are looking at an attack on the foundations of the Republic.
>>538123086>2. They are shielded from US law by diplomatic statusWhy does a parent's diplomatic status overrule the child's Birthright citizenship? If a pregnant diplomat has her immunity revoked (remember immunity is largely a courtesy, not absolute) and then goes into labor, why is it that she gives birth to an American citizen?
>>538123412>highly selectiveBuddy we accepted everyone from the european continent including slavs, we aren't picky.
>>538123345>It was a direct consequence of the lands being colonies of Europe. They needed a way to justify their own citizenship even though they had no previous ties to the country.What established nation states were there before the Europeans conquered the lands?
>>538123345For what it's worth, a lot of countries guarantee citizenship to stateless people born there even if they don't have birthright citizenship, and those sort of protections would still hit your average illegal's kid cause Mexico doesn't confer citizenship at birth to kids born abroad.
Yes, everyone know it's stupid and indefensible, even the people that support it. They don't support it because they think it is right, they support it because they hate White people and want America to become a brown country.
>>538123159A republic as defined by Aristotle is a form of government where the citizens govern for the citizens. So they aren't being hyperbolic, they are just 100 years too late. The Pharisees have already made it so that the letter of the law is more important than the spirit of the law, and in a desperate situation like that, it's really going to take a "second coming" to throw them out of the temple. The USC cannot be reformed. Not even if we put strict constructionists in every courtroom. It's over.
>>538113037They don’t call them anchor babies for nothing
>>538113124If a lizard lays eggs in a bord’s nest, will the babies become birds or lizards?Thought so, Pekka.
So what happens if six of the justices drop-dead before Trump's term ends?
>>538123361>America belongs to you just as much as any other citizen of your country.Wrong. It belongs to international finance.
>>538113037American culture took over the West and now even Europeans think they have birthright citizenship. American victory in WW2 meant a bigger spiritual rape of the world than Soviets winning. Americans were the real enemy of civilization, not the Reds.
>>538113037A chicken layed an egg in my cow farm. When it hatched I sold the chick as beef. I am making x2.5 the profit now. :)
>>538113124They should go home.They also dont speak our language
>>538123626They become dragons.
>>538123626>Brood parasitismGökungen knuffar ut de andra ungarna. Vi ser det tydligt i västvärlden hur gökungarna tar maten ur munnen på västerländska barn.Det gör mig ledsen och förbannad.
>>538123519That's irrelevant to the discussion.
>>538113124Into a woodchipper.
>>538123455>Why does a parent's diplomatic status overrule the child's Birthright citizenship?It doesn't. The child's diplomatic status is all that's relevant. Families of diplomats are also granted diplomatic immunity.>If a pregnant diplomat has her immunity revoked (remember immunity is largely a courtesy, not absolute) and then goes into labor, why is it that she gives birth to an American citizen?Because the child would be subject to US jurisdiction (assuming the entire family's status was revoked).
>>538123684Too layered for /pol/ Hans. Try using the words slop, kike, goy, and nigger next time
>>538113124The sea
>>538113037If a nine months pregnant Guatemalan woman can sprint across the border evading capture and leaping fences and swimming rivers then the bitch and her athletic spawn deserve to be born there no?
American birthright citizenship is a curse for some. Your mom gave birth prematurely on holiday, she went back to europe, or singapore, or japan. You pay double taxes for the rest of your life in Europe, Singapore or Japan, because american citizens pay the IRS even if they haven't set foot on american soil in half a century and pay their taxes in the country they live and work.The IRS is terrorizing accidental-anchor babies around the world. Its not just Guatemalans and mexicans pooping out a kid on the border. Theres millionaires in europe who have been desperately trying to give up their US citizenship for decades because the IRS will not leave them alone.
>>538114352Where does it come from?>>538113290We can’t pass laws or amendments anymore because a hostile anti-Whites have taken over about half of the government and will roadblock indefinitely any effort to preserve our interests.
>>538123652If it makes you feel any better, SCOTUS just let more money into politics.
>>538113266>I failed civics therefore I am
>>538113750>Kavanaugh and BarretTrump played himself. 2016 Trump really was a well meaning but clueless moron.
>>538123626So by this logic we're all Africans?
>>538113037When the constitution was written, traveling to the United States was HARD. Birthright citizenship never would have been included with today's technology and freedom of movement.
>>538123742I accept your concession.
>>538123773The diplomatic immunity OF BABIES is why they don't get citizenship? This has all become too silly.
>>538113383>Literally not our problemCorrect so leave them alone and let them continue living their life.
>>538123919You didn't make a point though. You just tried to move the goalpost, then claimed victory when I called out your bullshit.
>>538123805Americans born abroad have to claim their citizenship. It's not automatically conferred. It's just retroactively applied. And that's just part of why that nonsense you posted was dumb as fuck.
If a an invasion force of a million all hop over our border and all have they their wives plop out a baby on the first step, then those babies, those mothers and those invaders are now all US citizens who I would give the shirt off my back to if they needed it and that’s how it should be. That’s what being an American is all about.
>>538113124fertilizer or wherever they are genetically most from
>>538123781Ok, let me try again.A nigger born in muttlandia becomes a goy. This way kikes can sell more slop to goys and make bigger profit.Also niggers tongue my anus. TKD btw
>>538121646Hyphen last names come from the Spaniards. You’re father last name and your mothers last name.
>>538113124Hopefully into the coffin
>>538124036>Just let the foreign invaders continue their takeover of your countryIt's better to burn it all to ashes than letting them have it.
>>538121646Hispanics don't use hyphens. They have two separate last names.
>>538123159>100 plus year old amendmentDo you also think the 2nd amendment should let people own nuclear bombs?
>>538113037Who is the baby supposed to be a citizen of, then? Should Guatemala be forced to grant it citizenship when the baby wasn't born there? Are people just ok with the baby having no citizenship whatsoever?
>>538124024You generally don't want your own citizens to be legally immune to your laws since you can't deport them.
>>538113037Then amend it you fucking cuck faggot. No? Then kys.
>>538124061You couldn't answer my question then started to reflect.I take that as a win yes.You couldn't steelman your claims.
>>538124210>Guatemala be forced to grant it citizenship when the baby wasn't born there?Yes. Guatemala should be forced to grant citizenship to the children of Guatemalan citizens.
>>538113037Why should whitegroids get automatic citizenship just because their parents are citizens? You freeloaders should have to prove yourself worthy of having a stake in the country by pulling yourselves up by your bootstraps and working hard and saving/investing wisely until you own a profitable business or own productive land.
>>538123917Also, speaking of the past, any talk of past integration is irrelevant to the present. Mass immigration, the ease of travel, instantaneous communication and the internet make that impossible. These people never lose touch with the culture they came from. Past integration isn't evidence for future integration. Of course, there's then also the fact they ignore that previous waves were Europeans with similar cultures The host culture was also dominant and didn't disparage their own culture and treat others as equal or better. Though, even where that was true, Jews are a great argument that integration of distant cultures is impossible. They're also evidence that organized minorities with in-group preference can come to dominate people who see themselves as individuals.
>>538124210>Are people just ok with the baby having no citizenship whatsoever?I'm sure most of the people arguing against this have literally no fucking idea that many countries don't have unrestricted jus sanguinis.I'm also sure that most of those people still wouldn't give a fuck if they knew, and would be arguing for trying to pressure countries to take in stateless people with ethnic ancestry from that country if they got their way. Or more probably they'd be arguing stateless babies should be tossed in the ocean to drown.
Will we at least get a wave of Asian waifus who want hapa anchor babies?
>>538124303America doesn't even grant citizenship to all children of American citizens, lmao.
>>538124327Citizenship should be earned by joining the military. Half of these right wing retards will cry and say no.
>>538124208NTA but my personal opinion is that bombs shouldn't be legal because the collateral damage of bombs is high enough that using it can't be justified in a civilian setting for self defense. But constitutionally it's fine to be allowed, since I assume we could just restrict the material to make a nuclear bomb. For instance we could make the purchase of plutonium and uranium illegal for most people.
>>538124176>Foreign invadersHow can they be foreign invaders if they are natural born Americans? All they know is America.
>>538123806It comes from printing money like there's no tomorrow. Inflation is a hidden tax that compounds year over year over year over year.
>>538113124I don't care. Why should I solve this "problem"?
>>538124369>still wouldn't give a fuck if they knewYes. Go fucking home. Remigration is the moderate option. You have been warned.
>>538124435Those are just welfare queens. They extract wealth from the economy, not create. You don't get a vote unless you own productive capital.
>>538124455>natural born Americans?They are not American. They're paperwork Americans. They will fucking tell you this if you listen. We have millions of non-Americans with US Citizenship.
>>538124469>Go fucking homePretty sure if you've never lived somewhere, it isn't your home.Then again, you make a pretty solid case for your home being hell.
>>538124275Moving the goalpost again, I see.I will repeat my point: birthright citizenship is present on most countries that used to be colonies of European countries.Do you want to discuss that, or just pretend that you won internet arguments since you just los the Supreme Court ruling, tranny?
>>538124557Again, we are trying to warn you: Remigration is the moderate option.
>>538124553That's not what the supreme court ruled little chuddy.
>>538124208We the people of the united states already own nuclear bombs.Under the constitution of the united states the government is our employee therefore, We the people being the owners already possess nuclear weapons.
>>538124616You won't do shit.
>>538123638Trump would replace them with more anti white cuckolds chosen by Heritage Foundation
>>538124618Don't care. The legal fictions surrounding this situation are nonsense.
>>538124616Again, you cannot remigrate to somewhere you have never been. That's just migration. May I suggest you migrate to hell?
>>538124635This is some sovereign citizen-level bullshit.
>>538113037Isn't this guy jewish and telling Americans they need to stand with Israel?
>>538124455>How can they be foreign invaders if they are natural born Americans? All they know is America.They can never become americans.
>>538124706>Again, you cannot remigrate to somewhere you have never beenWe'll see
>>538124706Tsmt
>>538113429HAHAHAHAHA COPE
Just think, if jews would not have brought slaves to the united states because they did not want to pay a living wage, the 14 amendment would not exist...
>>538124764They ARE Americans.
>>538113201>high iq>votelmao
>>538113037More workers == lower wages>>538113124Not my problem. Their parents should have considered that beforehand.>>538113220Nah its just jewish businesses looking for worldwide slave labor to drive down wages to hide their rampant theft via inflation.
>>538124766The vast majority of the American public support Birthright Citizenship.
>>538124885>They ARE Americans.No, they are foreign invaders. Go home.
>>538124807Modern day Americans and American corporations don't want to pay a living wage so they offshored all production and imported millions of immigrants that work in slave-like conditions.
>>538124971What country are they from if they are born on U.S. soil?
>>538113037The rational is "Fuck you Whitey." The USA isn't a sovereign country. It a occupied territory of of the Colonial Zionist International which seeks the total enslavement of all Goyim. Ever decision the USA government does is in favor of that CRIMINAL foreign syndicate and for exclusive benefit of Greater Israel. While a single Zionist Jew yet draws breath no human is free. TKD is Freedom. TKD is Life, TKD is Love.
Trump never mentioned it as an election issue. If he had, he would have lost. Republicans can run on ending it, but they will lose. It's a losing issue.
>>538124514Naw joined the military and put in some work and blood. Then you will be considered a true American. Guarantee Jews, right wing retards, left wing retards, immigrants will say no.
>>538124932>More workers = = lower wagesWell now that Trump deported 9 trillion illegals and immigration to the USA is poseer than it has ever been thanks to God Emperor Trump; are wages going up?
>>538124750We the people created the constitution and in the constitution we the people created the government.
>>538125032The bastard children of whatever shithole country their invader parents came from.
>>538125086That's a great way of getting mercs and violent criminals to volunteer for the military.
>>538125032Let's have a quick look what a nation is.>"a large group of people of the same race who share the same language, traditions, and history, but who might not all live in one area"Huh!?
>>538125086You are not a productive owner of capital, you are a security guard for the international market.
A birthright guarantee under the Constitution is an issue most Americans believe, regardless of political party affiliation. Democrats resoundingly (86%) believe it’s a constitutional right, but the issue is also largely supported by Republicans (53%) and independents (65%).
>>538113037Well you see it turns out a country is more like a lottery ticket instead of a place for humans to live and have a life that isn’t shitty together adhering to a minimum standard
The just-released, nationally representative American Family Survey finds more than two-thirds of respondents (70%) say they recognize birthright citizenship as a constitutional right. Just 15% say they do not believe the Constitution guarantees birthright citizenship and 16% are unsure.
>>538125110No, the Constitution was created by a handful of highly-educated elites from two centuries ago. The masses, and specially the retards that roam the septic tank that is the Internet; did not create the Constitution.They declared themselves "the people" and they had a vision for the country. You, who don't share their views, morals, principles or education are not part of that group. You're a retard who got citizenship for legal reasons, just like an anchor baby.
>>538125273Not if you explain it honestly : >>538114498 Most people would think is fucking retarded.
>>538125172>"a large group of people of the same race who share the same language, traditions, and history, but who might not all live in one area"Hence why "Americans" have never been a nation. Bunch of random European nationals squatting on stolen land that fucking hated each other to start with. Hell, the 14th was written right after a major civil war.
>>538125172The definition of nation makes no mention of race. Precisely because there's many, many nations that include several different races in Europe.
>>538125172I reject that definition, that is clearly the description of an ethnostate and even excluding all immigrants and 1st generation Americans the U.S. still wouldn't fit that definition.
>>538125172Very deceitful definition
>>538125376Can't tell if you're actually this retarded or if you're trolling.
>>538125376>European nationals squatting on stolen landWhy should anyone view your opinions on American governance as anything other than a hatefull attempt to hold power over those who you openly despise?
>>538114498Literally nothing requires Americans have set foot in America.Some jackass born in Bangladesh to an American couple is American even if he's lived there his entire fucking life.You want to put in place some requirement that people must remain in America to retain their citizenship, argue for a fucking amendment to that effect.
>>538125376>European nationalsAlso lol. What if they were born here faggot?
>>538125141>>538125216See I told you right wing retards will cry
>>538125396>many nations that include several different races in Europe.There can be multiple nations within one country if that's what you mean.That's what you get with multiculturalism, foreigners establish their own nations within the nation.
>>538125359Those are nonsensical examples, to the point of being dishonest.
>>538125549Every single one is covered under our current rules. That's the point.>>538125490Also why did you relay to my FIRST post now?
>>538125335Yea, that's why we get to vote to pick our representative employee.Yes, I know the voting process has been corrupted by jews, that's why we the people need to stand up and take our country back before it's completely gone.
>>538125511The only way for random Europeans to get American citizenship once they're born in the USA is birthright citizenship.>>538125533Nope, I mean nations that include several races/ethnicities. As examples of this you have Russia, China and Iran.Every single country in the Americas is multiethnic by the way.
>>538113037They hate White people and want to turn America into the brown shitholes they fled from. Everywhere on Earth must be a hellish nightmare.
>>538113687Their country of origin is America. They were born there. This is how everyone has done it for thousands of years because nothing else makes any more sense. You can't send them back to some place they weren't born. It doesn't make sense to anyone. No, it doesn't matter how much you want to do it and how much you don't care about how anyone else feels. It is a universal global understanding about how nation states function. If you refuse to abide by it then you an uncivilized barbarian nigger.Stop fucking around in the middle east and secure your borders if you don't like it. Acting like tranny demanding everyone else change how they see the world will get you nowhere.
>>538125462>Why should anyone view your opinions on American governance as anything other than a hatefull attempt to hold power over those who you openly despise?Everyone directly involved in land theft is dead. I can't hold power over them. That's for Satan.>>538125451Yeah, bro, the various Europeans living in America fucking LOVED each other. Just look up writings from the time, lmao. The Irish got along great with the English who loved the French, etc.And the Italians were super popular. Why that's why they got Columbus Day, right?
>>538125692Again with the sovereign citizen garbage. That's neither how the USA legal system nor the government works.
>>538125511>Also lol. What if they were born here faggot?By national I meant belonging to a particular "nation" as a cultural entity, not "nation" as a legal entity.You know, since that was the fucking point of the fucking discussion, dipshit. The dumbfuck was arguing that laws can't make you a part of a nation, because he's not using the legal definition.
>>538125699Seems like you don't really understand the meaning of the word "nation".You can't just cast aside all of human history and human behavioral patterns.Cambridge definition of the word."a large group of people of the same race who share the same language, traditions, and history, but who might not all live in one area"Your circular arguments are annoying.
>>538113037that's the plain language of the overly broad amendment. that's what the judges have to work with. another amendment can nullify that, as can black bagging pregnant immigrants and drone striking border hoppers
>>538125724>They hate White peopleNo, you hate brown people. We can be honest with each other.
>>538113211>if you're born in a barn, you're a horse
>>538125753They had similar cultures, common language, religion, genetically very similar to each others, shared history and so forth.
>>538113124>only speak your languagelol no hablo papi
