How do you contend with the fact that historical materialism is basically universally accepted as truth within the confines of analysis of history?Even non-marxists accept historical materialism as fully relevant to the understanding of human history in that the most decisive factor in the influence of events and movements is material basis.Face it, you didn't read Marx and can only refute him based off of shitty /pol/ image macros.
How do you contend with the fact that you are basically universally accepted as a retarded faggot?
>>538143898Isn’t “historical materialism” just acknowledging that economic reality informs the decisions of states and other actors? Why was this seen as revolutionary?
>>538143898>materialism is basically universally accepted as truth>ignores world religions throughout history
I hate this fucking idiot. A commie expecting free shit eternally, he refused to work.I would have loved to crush his head on a press.
>>538143898The martial world is a mirage. A mere consequence of the immaterial. Jesus is christ and christ is king
>>538143979t. didn't read Marx>>538143990It was seen as revolutionary because the alternative was aristocratic larp where people pretended that economics didn't matter and history was driven by a mix of great man theory and vibes. This is how idiotic discourse was (and often still is) is in regards to understanding history.>>538143998t. didn't read marxMarx directly addressed the role religion played in society and the material interests at play that might compel change in religion.For example, Marx directly addressed the protestant reformation as a pretty direct instance of class conflict; being that the European polities that were close to forming the first nation states were now shaking off the yoke of medieval feudal authority, aka the catholic church. They had material interest and material means to be free of catholic influence, leading to these states embracing a new Christianity which had no Rome to answer to.>>538144045t. didn't read marx>>538144065If the material world is such a mirage then surely you would feel comfortable giving up everything you own and living on a convent, right?Oh wait, your material desires compel you to respond to me and larp online.
>>538144361>materialist thinks everyone is a materialist just like him.
>>538143898>How do you contend with the fact that historical materialism is basically universally accepted as truth within the confines of analysis of history?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7FW0GoSLKI
>>538143898LTV has been so debunked I dont need to bother with the petty victories stollen from Hegel. That said even though Marx was a shit economist his thoughts about alienation were absolutely brilliant. Every right winger who shits on Marx would probably very much agree on the importance of owning your own labour.
>>538143898If historical materialism is real, why should I believe in it? Whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen regardless.>free will is fake and gayAnd? Is there a second half to this?
>>538144361>history was driven by a mix of great man theory and vibesit was, but nobody ever denied that the great men and the vibes will always be to some degree influenced by economics.e.g. without Luther a reformation would have still happened (there were reformators before and after him), but the world today would be unrecognizable without him.this fact makes marxists seethe to no end, because it also means that gommunism is not, in fact, a preordained outcome of history, and they blew their one shot at world domination with some russian and chinese retards and are now in the trash bin of history. too bad so sad.
>>538145518Something about a German referencing Luther is just so based to me.
>>538143898conservatives were mindbroken by karl marx, charles darwin and abraham lincoln.conservatives will never recover from it.
>>538143898It is funny that all the best economists understand that Marx is right and just continue being capitalist because they don’t give a fuck about the moral element.
>>538144065https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hePRA9yVdQEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kR9y6vKdNQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E15IC3YKv8g&list=RDE15IC3YKv8g&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY2u7JZck_IJames 5:1-6Acts 4:32"render unto caesar" means separation of church and state and pay taxes"easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man get to heaven"story of Lazarus is predicated on a man being in hell for no other reason than being rich
>>538145875>it's funny that capitalists are blatantly and obviously evil
>>538145875What copium are you smoking. No economist thinks Marx is right, his theories produce zero predictive abilities.
>>538143898Every single time one of you faggots bring this shit up you get bombarded by other factors that played into shit outside of economics and are reminded that economies and ideas of class which marx and the other retards talk about didn’t exist in early societies. But of course in typical marxist fashion you just ignore it and play dumb while reiterating the same point over and over because you think you can alter reality by gaslighting people.
>>538143898Question is why ARE YOU reading that garbage? No friends or hobbies?
>>538146040Historical materialism is generally always correct. The only people who dispute it are usually Jewish or else otherwise members of a society’s elite who are mad about being called out
>>538143898It's not you halfwitter lefypol retard. Marxism is a hallmark of two possibilities, a lying murderer or a fool.
>>538143898Now apply this to Hess's theory
>>538143898Historical materialism is universally rejected, Shlomo.
>>538146168The rule vs exceptionsMaterial conditions was and is still the PRIMARY driver in history
>>538144361Give everything up to who exactly?
>>538146241>Historical materialism is generally always correctIt's pretty much never correct actually, and poorly explains observed events of history. If it makes you feel any better, it isn't alone: Liberal theory, geographic determinism, realist theory, great man theory, they are all equally trash at explaining the course of human events or predicting the future. Turns out in reality, things happen due to multiple different convergences of both related and unrelated factors, and also a heaping helping of pure chance and luck. So your beloved Marxism is just as worthless as everyone else's best guess, no need to beat up on yourself about it
>>538146241Says an idiot. Kill yourself Marx was wrong about literally everything even his core logic the dialectic is wrongMarx saysThesis 2+2=4Antithesis2+2=5Synthesis2+2=4.5That is not how history or the evolution of reason and empirical observation works.What actually happensThesis2+2=4Antithesis2+2=5(Debate, reason and empiuricism)Result2+2=4and 2+2=5 gets doiiscardedMarx is 2+2=5 and you are the clown that thinks that's true because you can't think. Marx was wrong in his own time as was Hegel. In practise 'marxism' inevitably leads to dictaorship, mass muderer, cultural destruction, misery, mass imprisionment and poverty and more often than not is merely a poor excuse for muder and theft by scum.
>>538143898>Even non-marxists accept historical materialism as fully relevant to the understanding of human history in that the most decisive factor in the influence of events and movements is material basis.Agreed. They don't even know how much they are propagandized. Best example is the interpretation why Gallileo Gallilei was prosecuted. The idea it was about power relations may be intuitive from today's perspective, but it was only introduced by Bertolt Brecht, an outspoken Communist. Any alternative explanation was then off the table, like for instance the idea the Vatican's astronomers literally couldn't see how Galilei's equations were correct, because they lacked the conceptual framework for it. But fact is they may have literally suffered of cognitive dissonance and went into a psychotic meltdown, which would have nothing to do with the Marxist idea of a power struggle.We are living in a Marxist world and it's so pervasive like water is for a fish.
>>538143898Look at you shilling garbage that imprisioned generations in impoverished failed police states and gave rise and cause to stalin and maos mass slaughter. KYS. The world is better off with you not in it.
>>538146537Or consider this, you are a fucking idiot.
>>538143898Jewish "intellectualism"Shut the fuck up commie faggot
marxism was just the jews trying to steal socialism
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>>538146494>>538146552Did Marx fuck your mom too?>>538146578He’s agreeing with you I thought? Why are you so damn angry
>>538146241Its the LTV that is the core of his theory thats the joke no economist supports. The fact it has 30 odd papers in support vs 100 000 empirically disputing it is my point.No corporations are hiring Marxists to give them an edge on market predictions.Marx to me is like Hobbes, amazing logical well thought out philosopher who falls apart quickly in the real world. Locke on the other hand is very sloppy, riddled with multiple examples of trying to derive an is from an ought but but no one in today's society would say the Leviathan was correct despite the beautiful lock solid logic. Out of all of them Locke won.
>>538143898Why the fuck would I read Marx you dumb kike faggot.
Not everything in Marx is wrong.But I don’t agree economics shapes culture. It’s a two way street. And culture comes from biology
Communism is gay and Jewish.Educate yourself by reading actual books and not Jewish santa fairy tales.
>>538146821Rand was a literal, actual Jew and a philosemite. Marx wasn’t even Jewish and was an extreme anti-Semite
>>538143898Marx was only good at identifying problems. His """solutions""" are intrinsicly flawed in that he doesn't foresee that both a dictatorship wouldn't give way to communal rule when it can hold onto power, or that communal rule couldn't give way to something awful itself. He fails ultimately to answer the question of what a society does when too much power is amassed by a few who seek to use it in ways detrimental to the rest.
>>538146821>says communism is gay and Jewish>suggests Ayn RandHas to be b8
>>538146862I think Marxs granoa was a chief Trier rabbi.
>>538147013granpa
>>538146864This is what Im saying, >>538146725. Lenin has an ellection becuase the proletariat should have the power, they vote liberal. Lenin thinks this has to be a mistake, holds a second ellection, this time the communists come 3rd.Once the plan hits the pavement and starts imploding he doesnt know what to do and goes full tyrant, spelling the end. This experiment would be repeated 36 more times all ending in different levels of failure.
>>538145308LTV was the science ever since at least Aristotle and it made sense before the industrial age.
>>538145308Marx made some good points but EO Wilson eternally btfo communism forever. They're sad little idealists prettending to care about the way things are while fleeing in horror from the facts of human nature. That's why communism is always fueled by spiteful mutants that eatveachother before just becoming strongman fascism which is man's fucking default with some lipstick on.
>>538146725To be fair lock is also wrong about basically everything regarding nature
>>538146537Brecht is fucking garbage bro.Have you read Arturo ui? Cunt was mad his child prostitutes got taken away.
>>538143898>How do you contend with the fact that historical materialism is basically universally accepted as truth within the confines of analysis of history?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>538147223I always go to Popper for refuting Marxism and solving politics in general, but ill have to check Wilson out.>>538147095I thought it was Adam Smith but I wont argue with your flag about Aristotle. I have a book of his works, if hes got some pages on early economics that be awesome as fuck to check out. I got an Econ degree and nobody sums up economics better than Publilius Syrus in the first century B.C, everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it. Really just boils down to that.
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>>538143898>>538144361Bolshevik authoritative tyranny was always gonna be the end result of worshipping the material and the "means" of producing material and distributing the result of thay production.
>>538147644Now they are going to think we are discord trannys.
>>538143898Marx and Che both hated LGBTQs.
>>538147681Whenever marx gets brought up, stirner must also be brought up to counter the faggotry.
>>538145928They literally are. They reward the negative aspects of humanity CheatingGreedLyingStealing. They vice signal.
>>538144045>I don't read because I'm a nigger and niggers hate reading
>>538146821Atlas shrugged is literally fan fiction about rich people who think having money is work and all real work is just magically done on the next page from the will of the owner.Hell even in atlas shrugged she portrayed all the business leaders as heartless, greedy and corrupt. She just says those traits are good lol.
>>538147921It's "enlightened self interest" or just let people do what they want towards their own benefit and things will work out. The latest expression of this idea is "trickle down economics".
>>538148227Yea and trannies are just enlightened self interest.Defend the tranny
>>538148227Your cool with immigration and trannies right?Let folks do whatever they want and it's gonna work out.What Luigi did was honestly self defense. Let him go. You can't even prove it was him.Your arguments fall apart the second anyone other than you makes them cause I don't have to ignore the inconvenience and inconsistencies you try to hide.You know she was a Dyke right?
>>538148543Anon, you dont seem mentally well. You are clearly spiraling. You just double responded to a post, a post that agrees with you but you dont have the reading comprehension to understand that.Call your Mom, she's worried.
>>538148651American healthcare for ya.I walk the streets and own guns.
>>538148651Oh by the way. Am yisrael chazirim.Like all of you.
>>538143898How could it be any other way?
>>538143898Nope.Refuted by the Roman Catholic Church’s Theologians and Historians and already refuted by John Maynard Keynes who saved Capitalism.I have not seen any Marxist who has never refuted Keynes.
