>smartest and most civilized place on earth in Ancient times>3rd world shithole todayWhat the fuck happened?
>>538153032Muslim colonization (but don't call it that!) and the forced spread of Islam happened.
>>538153141nooo!!! muslims peacefully conquered 55+ countries!! they never hurt anyone!!!
>>538153032The Ottoman Empire happened. Those aren't real Greeks living there anymore.
I met a traveller from an antique landWho said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stoneStand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,Tell that its sculptor well those passions readWhich yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:And on the pedestal these words appear:"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"Nothing beside remains. Round the decayOf that colossal wreck, boundless and bareThe lone and level sands stretch far away.
>>538153032Mogged by Italy and never recovered
>>538153032Our beloved Western friends backstabbed us and our empire disintegrated.When we tried to rebuilt it in the 20th century we also got backstabbed by the Entente There's nothing to do anymore, we are a rump state.
>>538153141>>538153501>Angloid education Muslim isn't an ethnic group, it is a religion. Do you think Muslims spawn from a monster spawner like Minecraft?Islam conversions are one way. It resulted in Turks, which are East Roman people that converted to Islam, with a sneeze of Central Asian admixture. And Greeks, which are the same people, but those that didn't convert language and religion.
>>538153736>thinks mudslimes is not an ethnic group>ignores the fact that all mudslimes are brownsalmost like you have to have low iq in order to believe violent pedophile fairytales like islam
>>538153032It all went down hill after the Spartans fell
>>538153955Spartans were a backwards slaver cult. They thought of their laughable remnant as being superior by sitting out the apex of Hellenic ascendancy, the conquest of Persia, because Alexander didn't even think of them as relevant enough. They stayed in their mountain villages until history forgot them.
>>538153736>he thinks occupying empires didn't racemix
There's a reason the Greeks who ruled Egypt were described as being physically quite distinct from Greeks of today.
>>538154071>>538154022Ancient Mediterraneans were of Norse descent
Turkey today is somehow WHITER than gayreeks
>>538154099>memeslopShow flag
Balkan niggers look like gypsies compared to the Blue Homeland
>>538154022>refuse to participate in jewish globohomo>this is somehow badThey were practically Ancient North Korea. Both are fucking based.
FUHRER TEUTONICUS
>>538154037"Racemix" with who? Anatolians and Caucasians? Bulgarians and Albanians? Those people were Greek as well, under the Byzantines. That's why only religion, millet, was used to classify people under the Ottomans.When Christians and Muslims intermarried, their descendants were strictly Muslim. Ancestry flow was one way. >>538154099We're discussing history here, not schizophrenia.
>>538154099Show flag jeet
>>538153032The germans moved north
>>538154119why? how? how does one man remain so consitently based?
>>538154200>Racemix" with who?Slavs. Modern greeks are basically ancient greeks mixed with balkan slavs
>>538154505>Modern greeks are basically ancient greeks mixed with balkan slavsThis is correct. But it's less "ancient Greek" and more late Roman Greek (ie. after assimilating Anatolians) plus slavs. By far the biggest admixture on the modern Greek population after that era is Slavic.Which makes it extremely funny when schizophrenics get into their "muh ancient Greece was German" when classical Hellas was less pale and less light haired/eyed than it is now.
>>538154765Hair doesn't mean shit, it's eyes what matters.If you don't have blue or green eyes, you lost your whiteness card, period. And I assure you Ancient greeks didn't have brown eyes like pajeets and niggers, even if they had darker hair.
>>538154921>And I assure you Ancient greeks didn't have brown eyesso you're telling me no ancient greek had brown eyes? source? only primary sources in ancient greek, please (translations are for cucks)
Constantinople fell and the greek soul fell with it and never repaired.
>>538154921>And I assure you Ancient greeks didn't have brown eyesThey did. To get individual samples with significant steppe ancestry you have to go to the early Bronze Age early Helladic space in Northern Epirus, but as early as the late Bronze Age Mycenaeans stepped ancestry is extremely diluted and down to <5%. From the time of Minoans to now, Greeks are overwhelmingly ANF and CHG and it didn't change until Slavic tribes were assimilated.I have green eyes from my Russian grandma but that isn't an autochthonous characteristic.
>>538153032The old tradition of backstabbing and civil wars fucked them up and Turks conquered them.Then everything stagnated in the Eastern Europe under Turkish rule with poor industrialization later on.And here we are now.
>>538155296Making Athens the capital instead of Thessaloniki sealed the coffin.
>>538153032>>538154022this is an example of what happenedfirst globohomo in europe was macedonian sheep fucker who inherited all from his father and fucked it all up later, alexanderworst of greeks joined him and later on treacherous cunts trained up and brought up romansthen got corrupted even morestayed retarded and that resulted in turksthen they liberated themselves and got themselves a german kingno hope for walking dead>>538154921>greeks aint greeks they was galeo-germoneyicbut your delusional supremacy over others gonna get you slapped soon yet again so you might have time to ponder why mein uber atlantis aryan civilzation builder aint functioning as your delusions convinced you that you are
>>538153032why not civilised? What is wrong? Definitely more civilised than germany culture wise, just may be more poor. But if you look at it from such perspective that the whole europe is a shithole in comparaison to US.
>>538153032They turned their back to the greatness of their Gods to embrace the Jew on the stick, Greece it will comeback the day they embrace their Gods once again.Gods=greatness Abrahamic religions=slavery
>>538155376Wasnt there another steppe invasion that superseded the Mycenaean conquests or do I remember that wrong?
>>538153032what do you fucking thing happened? i'll give you a hint. Nose
>>538155481Imagine if retarded American Protestants learned that the gospels, words of Christ and the Apostles were written in Greek, and how much of Christian philosophy is just repackaged Platonism.They would be learning Greek in school, learning about the Turkish occupation instead of the Holocaust, and we would be their (((greatest ally))) and get free money and weapons.
>>538155567>Imagine if retarded American Protestants learned that the gospels, words of Christ and the Apostles were written in GreekThey believe those were written in Hebrew and won't listen or will ignore you if you tell them otherwise.
>>538155567Yes christcucks Just stole and rebranded greek philosophy, this is why they closed the schools, for monopoly of the "philosophy" create ignorant cattle that complete ignore the origins
>>538155493You mean the Dorians? It was a popular narrative among German (go figure) scholars of Ancient Greece that Nordic Aryan Dorians migrated southwards and destroyed the Mycenaeans and brought new technology, and it's just like muh Prussians, it was a big part of Nazi mythology too because identifying with the romanticised Spartans is cool. Except a century later Linear B was deciphered and understood as a Greek language, all the technology that the Dorians apparently brought was found to already exist there, and Dorians were already in the Peloponnese by the time of the Mycenaeans and are most likely an existing population that revolted against the Mycenaeans.
>>538155800Yeah sure it wasn't the late imperatocucks who turned the ROMAN republic into a globohomo empire and used a globohomo religion to control the masses of uprooted plebs.
>>538153032 The ERE got worn down to nothing and then conquered by Ottomans. The Ottomans were morons who didn't know how to build an economy, only bleed slaves and religious minorities dry while supplementing their extreme parasitism with conquest and plunder. After regaining independence Greece is now a small country with a modest population and a decided lack of natural resources whereas in the distant past Greece was one of the most urbanized and populous places on earth and their competition were mostly barbarians squatting in huts or squabbling gruel-fed semites.
>>538153032jews
>>538155567>Imagine if retarded American Protestants learned that the gospels, words of Christ and the Apostles were written in Greek,>Imagine if retarded American Protestants learned I commend you for having a truly wild and fruitful imagination.
>>538155849No no I get that and I’m even unsure if that coincides with the Dorian invasion. All I remember is that there were grounds to assume Ancient Greeks had significantly more Steppe DNA than is assumed due to some invasions. Obviously not close to Nordicism at all. But maybe I remember that wrong too, it’s been a long time since I’ve read about ancient genetics.
>>538153032Wir hatten auch mal 1-3 Reiche und Griechenland scheint im Gegensatz zu uns weniger 'nen Drecksloch zu sein, denk mal drüber nach achmed.
>>538153032Muslim conquest and subsequent Arabisation during the 8th and then 11th centuries. They mostly got off lightly though.The Egyptians used to look like Greeks.
>>538153032>people were great 2500 years ago so they have to be great now tooThat's not how it works.
>>538156087I haven't heard of this. The only other large scale invasion I can think of is the Greek Dark Age with Sea Peoples but those were most likely Anatolian.>>538156164>The Egyptians used to look like GreeksEh, kinda. We know what they look like from portraits, they're definitely darker Mediterranean people.Egypt today has ~10% less Natufian ancestry that they replaced with sub-Saharan BBC and Caucasian/Iranian/Arab from slaves moving around. Coptics don't have that shift and are basically unchanged.
>>538155800>hey guys you are greater than your physical self and you will inevitably die and God is higher than your Roman emperor, pay them no mind>easily controlled peopleI hate christcucks but they were not created by Romans. And you cannot create a religion like that.
>>538156164 Modern Egyptians are more degraded by Arabic culture than Arabic geneflow. They've always been brown but you don't "wear" it well when you're an inbred yokel aping the habits of Bedouin savages because your religion raises the noxious habits of nomad goatfuckers to holy writ. The kind of dress, grooming and habits that go along with Islam would make even the most exemplary specimen of Teutondom seem racially degraded.
>>538153032Turks happened. So basically your ''people'' happened, Achmed. Your Germanistan will be next to be a historic puzzle for future russian and chinese historians, how your nation became so gay and retarded.
>>538155849Educated griekker
>>538156560You can never understate how bad the Turks are but Greece was kind of dead long before the Turks.Again, just because the people were great at one point doesn't mean that they should be great now. Civilizations come and go. You can blame Slavs, Turks or whoever you want for fall of the Greeks, and you are partially right, and you are, but things eventually just come and go on their own. Humans rise and fall, and sometimes, they never get up again.
>>538153645>the Entente powers realized that backing Greece was no longer in their geopolitical interest. France and Italy rapidly shifted their diplomatic efforts and began secretly—and sometimes openly—supplying arms to the Turkish nationalistsDamn, what a bunch of fucking niggers. Maybe the current islamization is just karma.
>>538156663Well said.>>538156558Islam is cultural poison, I weep seeing Iranians write in Arabic.
>>538153032You don't know what a "3rd world shithole" is lol. Greece for all its problems is still paradise compared to most countries in the world.
>>538156707My Sultan would never.Note that a decade earlier Greece had also be roped in intervening in the Russian civil war because hurr durr we must help the Whites. So by the time the war with Turkey came about, the Soviets wouldn't help us either, despite a splendid opportunity to assrape the Caucasus from the East. A disaster all around.
>>538154139Immagine the smell
>>538153032>Greece>>smarteststopped reading there
>>538156717The logic behind most right wingers (not that I am a left winger, and I am only using the vague terms as superficially as possible) is that there is magic European blood that makes Europeans superior and act in the highest form of virtue and reason, yet I don't think this is true. I also obviously do not campaign for importing masses of immigrants because I believe blood is very important for the nation, but it doesn't magically make you superior and immune to degradation.If blood was so powerful enough to make you so above and superior to other factors, then why are so many western Europeans cucked? Jewish propaganda? Is kike propaganda more powerful than the blood? And this reasoning makes people write "Balkans got Turkish blood so that explains this and that" which is untrue because we have so much genetic research now.I think civilizational collapses and changes will always be part of an never-ending open philosophical debate, but to me the end result of such dialogue should be betterment of ourselves and our own society, imagine how bad people would also feel if you tell them they are doomed to failure because they lack certain blood, which I also think is untrue in the first place.
>>538153645>>538156707>>538156842Yeah dont mention the part where you got btfo by remnants of a dead empire while outnumbering and outgunning them. Just cope with the "muh brits backstabbed us".
>>538157000Respect where it's due, that was some good performance.Don't ask why your history books go from Luwians and Hittites to the 12th century though. Surely they aren't skipping anything important.
>>538156717At least the Iranians don't speak Arabic gobbledygook and that's telling. Arabic absolutely obliterated the languages of Egypt, the Levant and the fertile crescent and with it came total cultural Arabization. There's a substrate of pre-Islamic Persian culture that Islam can't entirely assimilate or banish, Persians today still think of themselves as Persians rather than Arabs. Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part, but I'd like to think that given a few more centuries Persia will vomit up the Islamic poison pill and start to recover.
>>538157090>Don't ask why your history books go from Luwians and Hittites to the 12th century though. Surely they aren't skipping anything important.Look i dont expect you to know shit about Turkish school history books but why lie so confidently? History classes start with Huns and forming of the first Turkic army. And before you say larp or anything, modern Turkey has the same relation to Huns as modern Greeks has with ancient Greece.
To elaborate further, this is also why the Germanics try so hard to paint the ancient Roman and Greek civilizations as Germanic, because if there is certain magical blood that is always active and creates high civilizations, then why did Germanic people never create a civilization equivalent to Rome and Greece in the past?They drafted an answer to a question nobody normal even asks and came to the conclusion that the ancient civilization creators were all blonde and blue eyed. Ironically they are very Greek in this, this sort of pride was and is common in Greek but they came into the play so early you cannot really blame them at all.
>>538156549In Romans times a emperor could create and destroy everything, with a different emperors the world could be different right now
>>538155800schools were never meant for plebs, plebs have to work>>538156387i met copts here they got that lookon more than average good people too
>>538157304>Turkey has the same relation to Huns as modern Greeks has with ancient Greece.If that makes you feel better, sure.
>>538157358>In Romans times a emperor could create and destroy everythingThen why not make it come from Rome, and instead from the east? They already had issues with orientalisation, and you're telling me Augustus (?) created a religion in Jerusalem.
>>538153032>What happened?Romans. Romans happenedWhat a coincidence that all the heirs of Romans are total shitholes, and so are the heirs of the heirs of RomansThis would never have happened if Carthage had won the war
>>538157546>Britain, France, Portugal and Spain are shitholes >Carthage, the nation of moon worshipping mercenaries who valued shekels over national interests were better
>>538157511Turks only seem to be capable of being utter barbarians or utter buffoons and nothing else. Their only true achievement is somehow contriving a culture more wretched than that of the peninsular Arabs.
>>538153032400 years of Muslim colonization will do that. Which is why it was good Justinian didnt let the Goths fuck up italy for more that 50 years.
>>538155849The Dorian invasion theory of the great German historian Herodotus.
>>538157546Spain, France and Portugal all became global powers at some point. If anything it's the lack of classical education and values what brings European nations to their knees. This applies to England as well.Go back to Africa if you like your semitic brothers so much.
>>538157640I forgot, they prayed to Baal.
>>538157640Well yeah, they were Semites racially.
>>538153032Islam. Anywhere it touches it turns that place into a shit hole.
>>538157671>amerikikeslave talking about culture
>>538157794The return of the Heracleidai is mythology. Heracles wasn't a historical figure. German historians like Curtius and Müller popularized this narrative.
>>538153032>What the fuck happened?same thing that happened to America, decadence and depravity and rule by tyrannical morons and psychopaths
>>538153032Alexander the Great mixed them with the Persians willingly and the Ottoman Empire conquered them. So as a result their culture became diluted and muttified. At least the African nations have a reason to be shitholes
>>538154921>If you don't have blue or green eyes, you lost your whiteness card, periodBy that logic Italy and Spain are Afro-Arab shitholes as well as half of Germany at this point
>>538158326Real racialists worry about skulls, not eyes, this one is a product of watered down larp.
>>538158129Your the same as the Indians who deny that there was any Aryan invasion. There's plenty of evidence that confirms the oral tradition. Destroyed palaces, simultaneous invasions in Anatolia, the Bronze Age collapse and whole new peoples like Phrygians and Dorians entering inro the weave of history.
>>538158127>That flagOh look, it's the Turkish diaspora.
>>538153032Meds ain't white. They are just 1 step above niggers.
>>538158486 Imagine being a hollyjew "Nazi" when there is a wealth of information online that allows you to be racist more accurately.
>>538159049Nobody likes to read anymore, only watch TikTok.
>>538153032>tf>tpSomething tells me you're not actually German
>>538158886What 19th century historians thought, a large scale influx of Urnfield culture in Greece, is proven false, archeology at that time was primitive and they got the impression of a clean break in material culture from Bronze Age Greece to the Iron Age. No Ancient Greek writer talked about the Mycenaeans, connecting their decline with the Dorian migration hypothesis was an asspull and not true.There definitely were large migrations and upheavals in the Bronze age collapse though, this is true. If Dorians were a part of it is disputed, records from the Greek Dark Age are nonexistent.
>>538159491So are you making an argument for continuity? That Classical Greece would exist just the same and in all its lustre and glory without the Dorians?
Dumbo memeflag you cannot connect events and archeological evidence directly. Archeological evidence does not automatically confirm the record of events.
>>538153501False. Genetic tests have shown they are the same as the Greeks that lived there thousands of years ago.
>>538153032brownified
>>538153032Getting raped by Romans then by slavs then by retarded peasant crusaders then by turks.
>>538160511>>538160536>>538160538Each one of these claims is untrue lmao but each poster would have bones to pick with each other.
>Enslaved by romans.Was good.>Enslaved by t*rks or slavs.Was bad.Know the difference, it might save your life.
>>538153032Overshadowed by other powers. The entire area saw all kinds of empires and golden ages. What we ended up with was that Rome got big and fucked them from that side and Muslim empires got big and fucked them from the East. If anything you saw them cling on as the Byzantines (east roman) when much else had fallen but got crushed by the Ottomans finally taking most shit.Like imagine that Sweden was a superpower once. Today that seems retarded due to its extremely small size but that's one big factor. Some places suddenly had the potential to grow exponentially and did while others fell off or stagnated.One of my fav riches to rags is Mali. Used to be one of the richest places on earth but very little of that can be felt in modern times except slightly cool musical culture and whatnot.
>>538160748>One of my fav riches to rags is Mali. Used to be one of the richest places on earthYou fell for Mamluk propaganda. It was not rich. Nobody who travelled there described it as rich. The Mansa Musa trip is overblown propaganda and even in that story the guy is bankrupt on the return trip and forced to loan money from the merchants there, and he never paid it back. And by the way you cannot haul hundreds of tons of gold across the Sahara desert.
>>538160748>What we ended up with was that Rome got big and fucked them from that side and Muslim empires got big and fucked them from the East.Sad but true. While neither side would ever dare admit it Rome and Baghdad both wanted Constantinople gone. The greatest irony is that practically right after Orthodoxy was destroyed Protestantism popped up
>>538160511A met this Greek girl in college that had the most beautiful eyes I had ever seen. Some years later I was reading from a book written during Ancient Roman times where the Roman author described Greek women as having the most beautiful eyes of all women in the world. As true today as 2000 years ago.
>>538161109>A met this Greek girl in college that had the most beautiful eyes I had ever seen.Bro same. Still kinda kicking myself for not pursuing her.
>>538154921HAIR ACTUALLY TELLS A LOT ABOUT SOMEONE.THE DARKER THE HAIR, THE MORE LIES SOMEONE IS ABLE TO TELL….BLOND HAIR PEOPLE TELL NO LIES AND THIS IS WHY WE ARE IN THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE….HAIR MEANS WHO IS TRUTHFUL AND SORRY I ONLY TRUST BLOND HAIR WHICH IS WHY MY JEWS BLEACH THEIR HAIR….EYES ONLY SHOW HOW YOUR BODY FILTERS TOXINS…BLUE EYES - YOUR BODY IS WORKING CORRECTLY BROWN EYES - YOU HAVE TOO MUCH TOXINS IN YOUR BODY…ATHENA - YHVH
>>538161109>makes a post about eyes>posts the most soulless dull brownoid eyes everRetarded?
>>538158486SKULLS SHOW HOW VIOLENT AND ANGRY SOMEONE CAN GET….YHVH
>>538154169God, I truly hope you suffer you smelly kaffir. You lie without shame. That sample is a cimbri / tueton slave literally dates to 103 bc during the cimbri war.
>>538157546GERMANIA FOREVER UNDEFEATEDHAHAHAHA
>>538154139Ponder the aroma
>>538161895There were Roman forts in Poland, POLAND. Germany was conquered, burned, destroyed, occupied countless times. The only reason it was never settled was because it was a massive shithole that the Romans didn’t want citizens to be there or to give the local subhumans citizenship.
>>538153032It really doesn't matter, the guidelines to western success are openly available in the modern day, especially for a country in the EU and so well regarded in the western space (considering how irrelevant it's been in the last 200 years). Greeks just don't want to admit they're running the country into the ground. It's never their fault, not the way they vote, or work, or anything. Greece could be enjoying 1st world status if only the greek people wanted it, but they just don't.I fucking hate it here.
>>538161895>GERMANIA FOREVER UNDEFEATED
>>538160538Genetics prove that Balkan people and Greeks in general did not mix too much with Romans but instead adopted late and vulgar Latin because communication was simpler.Romanization took place by cultural adoption and in the end Greek ended up being lingua franka in the ERE.Watch your tongue, some of those crusader peasants were your Kings.They brought the Turks upon themselves by allowing the Sultanate of Rum to emerge, allowing them to stay Muslim and funding their army with hopes to be their vassals but in turn ended up conquering the ERE.Greeks are not good rulers, that's why so few of them ever ruled the Empire. Even the ancients like Constantine were non-Greek (genetic) but rather Romanized peoples. For example, in Constantine's case he was half Dacian by father, half Hellenized Bythinian (Thracian from Asia Minor) by mother.
>>538162083Gross
Democracy.. and Sodomy.. / Jews
>>538153457>WE WUZ VIKINGS N SHIEET! WE RAPED AND PILLAGED AND CONQUERED!>NO, MUZZIES! DON'T COME HERE TO RAPE AND PILLAGE AND CONQUER US!
>>538162040Nah, Augustus decided on which borders were most defensible and Rome engaged in D&C campaign of Germanic tribes. Germania could have been added as a province but Germanicus was recalled by Tiberius. Generally Teuteborg is overblown by German nationalists and they get away with it because some people get away with everything and some with little.
>>538162252>Germania could have been added as a province but Germanicus was recalled by TiberiusEither because:1. Tiberius bought into Augustian strategy that also pretty much defined the actions of every single emperor after him2. He was paranoid that Germanicus would topple him because he was charismatic and successful unlike himBut not because of some huge resistance the Germanic tribes were putting up, on the contrary at that point.
>>538162083That map is slav bullshit, probably made by some coping closet faggot from the former USSR.Slavic migrations did not affect Romania as much as depicted in that map, rather they went around us.Also Bulgars are wrongly classified as Slavs when they are turkic.Also we used Galgolith and Old Slavonic alphabets among the first peoples.We also used Greek in antiquity, before Latin Alphabet. That doesn't make us Greeks.
>>538162068>Greeks just don't want to admit they're running the country into the ground.A story as old as time, fren. Greeks tried to save what was left and your referendum was canceled by the EU.>I fucking hate it here.Then make it better for yourself and all around you. Wallowing in shit without cleaning yourself and the space around you, as an individual action leads to the downfall of everyone.Fix what you can fix, demand collective action for what you can't fix by yourself.
>>538162407Wallachia was called Sclavinia by some Latin and Byzantine sources because of how many Slavs there were, you had strong ties to Slavs and we mutually took from each other but you're not Slavs. However I find it mentally ill to deny that you had some Slavic input like it's so common in the past few centuries. A quarter of your vocab are Slavic words even after Latinisation. You're just unjustifiably afraid that this can be used by Russia to annex you or that it makes you less Romanian.
>>538153032The byzantine empire used slavs as human shields and they took over the balkan peninsula. Anyway, the hellenic period only lasted 290 years.
>>538154119The white people in turkey are descended from jannissaries who were forcefully conscripted from white euopeans. They would rate them as children because turks are sodomites.
>>538153032they're white. whites are like mushrooms. they bloom and cover the local area in filth and disease, and then vanish like their fallen angel masters
>>538153032>What the fuck happened?not the same peoplejust like Rome and Italy
>>538163039Also from many of those deported in Byzantine age, then indo-European migrations, Gauls, etc.
>>538161773I thought it was an ancient etruscan
>>538162789>Wallachia was called SclaviniaWhich Wallachia was called that? Maybe the one in Bosnia.The influences came while we were part of the Bulgar empires, but at least the first you can claim to be Turkic while the second was formed by Judeo-Vlachs (Asan brothers) among which Ionita Caloian, the Greek Slayer (at the time the name for Greek was Rumni/Romans).You can check for yourself, there's a Slavonic Romanian Alphabet and we have specific sounds that Cyrillic alphabets don't have. Also the language was still mostly Latin, even if we wrote it in Romanian Slavonic / Cyrillic.I will never deny that we DO have a common substratum in our folklores, but I believe those connections are pre-Slavic as both you and Bulgarians are mostly Slavonized after being Romanized.I refer you to Basil II who punished the Bulgars for massacring many Thraco-Roman Christians upon their invasion. It was obviously a justification for war and conquest, but notable that an Emperor of the Eastern Roman Empire cared enough.
>>538153032>What the fuck happened?Mediterranean civilizations have been in free fall since Europeans discovered that you could go around Africa to trade with India and China.
>>538153032Same thing that happened to egypt, Persia, babylon, Rome and now Germany and AmericaMass uncontrolled immigration.Rome had strict immigration standards and only absorbed small amounts and forced them to live the Roman way, until they became decadent and in debt enough they slacked on this Eventually the groups of immigrants formed their own tribes and ravaged from within
>>538153608jews like this poem and push it in all their jewish movies because is such cope to teach you to be forgotten and let go of any ambition, don't be ambitious goy that's not an emotion a goy is supposed to feel, let me ask you does the world remember Alexander or Giulio Cesare, that's your answer
>>538163272>Which Wallachia was called that? Maybe the one in Bosnia.1. Procopius >Procopius states that the Sclaveni and Antes inhabited "the greatest part of the northern bank of the Ister (Danube)."2. Jordanes, Gaetica:>"From the city of Noviodunum and the lake called Mursianus to the Danaster (Dniester), and northward to the Vistula, dwell the Sclaveni."3. Menander Protector>Daurentius4.Strategikon>Slavic tribes raid across the Danube
>>538163301Greece and Italy still have large commercial fleets and ports that bring a lot of income.For a time the land-route looked more profitable but then you hohols played the mutt game and blocked one of the potential routes for the Belt and Road Initiative. Greece will be fine, it's part of the Chinese trade routes.However, because of you hohols, Romania is cut-off for the time being.Thanks to your mutt masters the route through the Middle East seems more and more of a dream.Free market. Free hoholstan. Free money from bankrupting Europe.
>>538163301MEDITERRANEAN BVLLS DISCOVERED THE ROUTE AROUND AFRICA YOU SNOW NIGGA BARBARIAN
>>538153032frankfurt and munich is 100x more dangerous and less european than any city here
>>538163207Euflag anon dipshit constantly posts this shitty image of a genetic distance from a sample dated to 103 bc. There are no Etruscan era samples or any Roman samples that are even remotely close to Germanics.
>>538163301other way around, finngolianit was the collapse of greece that caused the trade routes to the east to be cut off that caused europeans to search for other ways around to reach india
>>538163301Butthurt belt is bad at history, colour me surprised. You don't even know what caused the Crusades or made Europeans look for alternative routes to India.
>>538161895feels arminus man
>>53816053698% white ethnostate btw can you say the same about your country, amerifat?
>>538153032The premise is wrong. They are not a third world shithole. They likely were less intelligent than the Romans.
>>538153608>message of the poem is that all power and fame is ultimately fleeting>people still recite this poem centuries later, and ramses ii is still talked about millennia later zoomers on tiktok are making edits of historical figures like alexander the great and julius caesar, doesn't that prove that fame can actually last forever?
>>538163483Antes were way up in the North. Celts if I recall correctly, meaning that what is all above the Danube was inhabited by various peoples.Also Procopius needs to be taken with a pinch of salt, we all know his other writings that may or may not be true.There were many Wallachias, you can search for yourself. Slavs didn't settle Romania and the influence was minimal.Sklaveni were the pre-Christian Slavs so it can't be the territory of Romania since we adopted Christianity from Saint Andrew then we practiced Arian Christianity for quite a long time.Slavs before conversion to Christianity were fair game as capturing them and selling them into Slavery because they were non-Christian and they were indeed called Sklaveni as a blanket term from which Slav is derived.Yes, Slavs were migratory people and raided across the Danube, but they never settled these lands>Noviodunum Not part of Romanian territories unless we count Burebistas and for a brief period of time when it was held by Mircea the Elder as dowry for marrying some Bulgarian princess and participating on Bulgaria's side against the Turks, opening the list of conflagrations between Wallachia and the Ottoman Empire.It was part of the Getic world, then Sycthian, then Hellenistic world (Greek colonies), part of the Roman world (conquered and settled), part of the Byzantine world, then Bulgar, briefly Romanian, then Ottoman, then Romanian.It has a long story and the bitch saw many men.
>>538157546Gross a fucking protojew survivor
you lost tranny>>538153141>>538153457
>>538162083There's not much evidence of a Germanic-Slavic war in ancient times. Germanics just moved West to occupy formerly Roman territories after the fall of Rome. Slavs enter the historical record around 700-800 AD. What did happen was that after that, Germans slowly pushed Eastward with the Ostsiedlung. Germany was defeated in 1945, though.
you two are insignificant pseudo nations who will never understand the decisions that have been taken by the superior greater powersnow keep crying like little victims hahahahaha>>538156707>>538156842
>>538157671refer to>>538164170
>>538164174East Germans are a predominant Aryan (Slav branch) genetic pool. The West Germans have a much higher admixture of Celtic blood like the French.You will notice that West Poles and East Germans have a bunch of commonalities. I believe this comes from their common ancestry. West Germans are more like the French and South Germans are their own thing, mostly relatable in my view to Romanian germs, sadly a minority these days as Germany offered to buy them back during communism in Romania.At the same time I dread that some of them may want to come back and bring back their progressive bullshit. If that will be the case, I hope old Germans in Romania smack them outside their heads until they revert to being cool faggots.
>>538155296>>538155416we are taking it back
>>538164614howare you going to say "muh kurds"because these people are low iq and you will win nothing with themthe jews? they'll backstab you and steal everything from your hands lmaowho else is left to help you "take it back"russia? that's about to have a war with nato? lol
>>538153501I have gayreek heritage from turkey.I'm whiter than you, ahmed. I'm OG white in the likes in which you'll never comprehend.
>>538153032>3rd world shithole todaylollmaoIf you actually believe this you're a fucking moron.
>>538164700we will set up reeducation camps where we will force turks to take DNA tests until they become greek againthose roaches who dont behave will be remigrated to syria in refugee settlements we will set up
>>538164700>who else is left to help you "take it back"They'll have to ask very, very nicely.
>>538164880we are gonna occupy them
>>538164852Bro, they are like a notch better than Romania.Relying on tourism bankrupted many faggots.
>>538164902And then what?
>>538153032roach infestation.
>>538153501Look into the Dorian invasion. Alexander the Great, a Spartan king, race traitor, Sol Invictus of Rome, Lucifer. Inventor of multiculturalism and tranny worship.
>>538164970>>538164870
>>538164138Maybe, probably and possibly, seems you did ten times the homework I did on the topic so consider yourself right.
>>538153635and ever since, the greeks have cut off their nose to spite their face.
>>538164938It's not just about the economy, you can't distil everything down to shekels per goym. Greeks and southern Europeans in general have a good quality of life.
>>538165031Very jewish solution. I bet you also want to skew their tests like 23&me does and lie to Anatolian Farmer communities that they are Greek.I'm going to pass on this. All glory is yours for the taking so make the best of it.
>>538164507East Germans are still mostly Celto-Germanic.
>>538165075Yeah bro. We are Russians in denial like hohols.
>>538165134>Greeks and southern Europeans in general have a good quality of life.Anon, I...
>>538153645>Our beloved Western friends backstabbedlol greeky bro cmon man look in your own mirror. we love you, we don't want you speaking russian. but you always do weird things, greeky- that's on you.
>>538165150>Very jewish solutionisrael is as real as "Romania"
>>538162407>That map is slav bullshit, probably made by some coping closet faggot from the former USSR.>Slavic migrations did not affect Romaniacope, you cultureless and rootless gypsy shitskinhttps://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Romanian_terms_borrowed_from_Old_Church_Slavonic
>>538165206I never said that, and that's not true.
>>538165134Greeks are the most pragmatic people I know besides jews. It all boils down to shekels and the economy.If you have prosperity, your people will be happy. Prosperity is prohibited by Greeks feeling their work would be in vain, feeding the EU system.If Greeks regain their country they will be back on track to being a 1st world country.Bad rule (from the EU) encourages disobedience and then all starts to crumble because people stop putting in the effort.Greece was, is and will be the canary in the mine and it going to shit is a signal for everyone else to change course.
>>538165163Initial Germanics were mostly Celtic too and what you call Germanic today is mostly Gothic coming from Eastern Gothic tribes that are wrongly defined as East Germans.DYOR, don't use AI to spoonfeed you.
>>538162789We dodged a bullet when our elite decided to re-latinize our "identity" and language since slavs aren't able to tolerate each other.Not that we have any kinship with the other romance speakers.We are culturally and ethnically close with the rest of other balkanoid slavs.
>>538162789>You're just unjustifiably afraid that this can be used by Russia to annexwe're going to annex them regardless for supplying Ukraine with logisticsenough is enough, as the saying goes
>>538154099>We wuz the real Kaisers of Rome and sheit
>>538165235If Romania is fake and gay then jews will destroy it.And now getting over your delusions of grandeur, how are you planning to take back Constantinople so you can enact your jew methods of ethnic cleansing?
>>538165516Mhm. By we, you mean you hope everyone else but you decides what only you want to do.
>>538163301Same happened to Argentina after opening of Panama Canal
>>538165562we are using the big red nuclear launch button on them and Bucharest
>>538165327You talk out of your ass. I can read Old Slavonic documents from Romania because they are written in Romanian language but using different letters to Latin which started being using more wide-spread after the Unification of the Romanian Principalities (recently).We used Greek Alphabet in antiquity and this doesn't make us Greek.We are and always will be the Dacian branch of Romanic people.
>>538165681You'll be using your mom's dick as a toothbrush faggot.
>>538165431Not sure what you're talking about. Goths were a separate branch of the Germanic family, likely originating in Sweden, before expanding into Eastern Europe and beyond. Germanic homeland ~ North Germany + Southern Scandinavia South Germans are Celto-GermanicsNorth Germans are Germano-Celts. With an average Slavic/Baltic admixture of about 10-15%, with an East-West gradient.
>>538165682I never called you Slavic or Russians, in fact I literally started the chain of posts saying that this is not my intention in order to not cause a chimpout.
>>538165682>Dacian this fucking delusional bydlo-cygany cope again, stfu, finally, nigger gippos>Romanic(((ROMANI)))ic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people
>>538153032After the fall of Constantinople it lost the ability to define itself on its own terms and had to concede everything just be given a bone and survive, that's it pretty much.
>>538165761>Goths were a separate branch of the Germanic familAccording to Germans or jews?
>>538165802Greeks called themselves Roman as their ethnonym until around the 19th and 20th century. >>538165831I just mean that Goths likely came from Sweden, before migrating South, and spawning the East-Germanic branch of the Germanic language family.
>>538153501They dig these up in Ireland all the time. The Irish call them "fairy swords", but they in fact Xiphos swords of ancient Greece.
>>538165751>gypsy has to make this about tranny cock
>>538153032>Insert pic of lovecraft talking about the influx of inferior blood
>>538165869>I just mean that Goths likely came from SwedenThose would be the Goths of Gotland, yes. But shouldn't they be classified as Norse since their culture was more Nordic than Germanic as is their DNA?
>>538165907Did I misgender your mom or what?Oh, you're upset about me answering to your bullshit post in the same coin... how awful of me.
>>538165869Not as their ethnonym but as their political identity, they used Graikoi as an ethnonym.>The inhabitants of the empire themselves politically identified themselves as "Romans". However, because the term "Hellene" meant "pagan" for many centuries, they used the word "Graikoi" when they wanted to specifically refer to their race, blood, or language.Graikos was another name for Greeks since antiquity because in mythology Graikos and Hellene were two brothers and originators of the race.
>>538166012>your mom>ad mother you need to be at least 18 yo to post on this sitereported for being underageread the rules, gypsy schoolboy
>>538166012whatever, there is no convo to be had with gypsies like you anyway and it wont change anything once it comes time for the liberation of Constantinople
>>538166126No, that's wrong. They definitely used mostly Romaioi as their ethnonym. Where did you hear this?
>>538165941Well, both Germans and Scandinavians are branches of the Germanic peoples. Norse is associated with North Germanics from around the Viking Age. Goths would be classified as East Germanic, not Norse.
>>538166286Byzantine literature is littered with it, if you want authors i can find you some.
>>538165767Ignore him He's a retard In fact most romanians wouldn't understand documents in old Slavonic
>>538153032>>3rd world shithole todayyou might have missed the part where all of the worlds shipbuilding is going through greece recently. Money comes in to greece, lease buy back scheme to chinese docks, more than 5k ships in the last 10 years, we are talking oil tankers (26% of tankers in the world) LNG carriers, bulk carriers, the big boys.Greece currently owns 20% of global shipping and is on track to own the worlds shipping infrastructure soon. Germany is closing down car manufacturing and asking germans to notify the government if they want to leave the country for more than six months. You might not like what you see in 20 years.
>>538153032What people today dont understand is that the ancient Greeks were virtually exterminated. The people you see in Greece today have got nothing to do with the ancient Greeks, except maybe for a few traces of ancient Greek DNA in their blood. Modern Greeks are the descendants of the barbarian hordes that swept in destroying, looting and raping everything in their path. Then some of them decided to stay and called themselves "Greek"This happened several times, with each wave of barbarians adding to the carnage and chaos and rape train. The end result was the total eradication of the ancient Greeks as a cultural and ethnic entity. Modern Greeks just larp as ancient Greeks, they have about as much real connection to them as the Turks. In fact the Turks probably have a stronger claim since Istanbul ( Constantinople ) was once the major Greek city under the rule of the Byzantium Empire.Very much the same as the Romans. Modern Italians are not the descendants of Romans, lol no, they are the conquerors who wiped out the Romans other than taking some of the hotter bitches as sex slaves. The only thing Roman about the modern Italians are few genetic fragments floating around in a huge messy barbarian gene pool. As a people, as a culture, the Romans were exterminated.Same thing is going to happen to all Europeans. Just extrapolate the trends of immigration and demographic replacement. A couple of thousand years from now you will have dark skinned brown eyed people of mostly Indian decent larping as Brits, Germans, Americans etc, speaking a strange dialect of Hindi peppered with the occasional English word, and proudly pointing to the ruins of building and roads and proclaiming their ancestors built those. Then they will take a shit on the dirt road and talk about their past glories.
>>538153032Four letters that answer every question.
>>538153635romans didn't even believe this, all the roman elite spoke greek
>>538167801Romans respected Greek cultural achievements, but for the most part saw then-modern-Greeks as effeminate treacherous femboys.
>>538164870how do you reconcile with the fact that Anatolians never were replaced by gayreek dna?
>>538153736>And Greeks, which are the same peoplegenetically notyou gayreeks are confusing hellenization which was groups of people adopting the gayreek language and alphabet with great replacement (which is what the Turkic tribes actually did)
>>538154200>Those people were Greek as welllmao here we go againthat's why gayreece is an insignificant country in this day and age you're all just deluded
>>538163423>>538164108I hate midwits so much it's unreal
>>538153032all Aryan philosophers left after the moop invasions
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>>538153032They became brown.
>>538168867greeks discovered comfort and realized that working is jewish
nerds dont make good fighters and for a long time ancient Greeks were pampered up by the aegyan sea and then Rome umbrella
>>538162243It's unironically ok when whites do it
>>538163732I don't know who the sample is from, but it does seem bizarre that Orcadians are on it next to icelandic
