Just have socialism in one country, for the people of that country. The constant support for open borders among leftist candidates has pushed me away from them.
the united states' open borders are for capitalism. communist countries are the ones with closed borders.
It's very simple. Open borders ALREADY EXIST. Borders are open for the affluent but not for everyone else. Do you actually want to revoke that luxury for the elite as well, or just continue to keep it for them and deny it to the working class?
>>538197552Labour unions used to be anti immigrant
further, everyone on /pol/ is pushing for open borders behind a thin mask of fake racism, because fascist politics only exist to protect capitalism with identity politics and jewish scapegoats.you do this _while_ knowing your economic policies force this nation to rely on mass immigration._you_ are replacing white people for-profit. no one else. just fucking you.
>>538197717Communist countries used to have to build walls to keep their people from fleeing, while capitalist countries had to do the opposite. Now commie shitholes stopped caring about that because their economy is always based on remittances from capitalist countries. That and they also lost all shame and surrendered their ideology. Mao would have never allowed his daughter to live in the USA like Xi's daughter. Same as Khomeini would have never allowed his grandkids to live in the Great Satan like the kids of IRCG generals do. But no one really believes in anything anymore and it's all just fake shouting a slogans.
>>538197790>Borders are open for the affluent but not for everyone else.What does this even mean?
>>538197717>Communist countries >Not Zionist Nigger, the USSR helped found Israel. They only stopped being Zionist once Israel fell under western spheres of influence then they started supporting palishits. >Preferential treatment to workers On paper. In reality the PPE you get is made of paper. Your pay is also like $4 in potatoes for a week of work. >Closed bordersRead Marx you idiot. The point of communism is to destroy all countries. >Traditional culture Yes because radicals are shot. This includes neets
>>538197791>>538197790the open borders are for capitalism, which is what you promote as fascists. you've been opening our borders and replacing white people for-profit, while blaming "jews" and "leftists" for your crimes after the fact. you're the epitome of the anti-whites.
>>538197805You speak really good english brownbro.
>>538197844I mean the wealthy can travel to any country they want whenever they want and live whereever they want.
>>538197552non jewish communism is basically fascism, and there is nothing jews hate more
>>538197824your pseudohistory about communist nations is just that: pseudohistory. our open borders in the west are for your capitalism, which relies upon them for our very existence. you refuse to change these policies, and therefore you are replacing white people for-profit.none of the "leftists" or "jews" you try to push the blame off to. its just you.
>>538197861Capitalism creates mass immigration and *needs* mass immigration. That is not the same thing as open borders at all. Communism by contrast doesn't promote or need mass immigration but ultimately leads to open borders
>>538197552What are you talking about? Does the DPRK and China have open boarders? Vietnam? They have ethical immigration. You can grab work and a visa easily and get citizenship in 2-3 years in China. DPRK allows people to live there under certain conditions too. You are talking about the liberal controlled opposition to the west that wants mass immigration to use as mass labor and then guilt you for complaining about it. It wasn't took long long ago these same people were calling anyone that complained about Israel a nazi. Many of them still are which shows you their real colors. Also you can be anti-ICE and also be against mass immigration. It isn't like you have to be one or the other. This is a lie the right (and neolibs) push to shove you into a box over immigration rights.
>>538197852communist nations are the ones which oppose zionism.
>>538197866none of you here are white, you only pretend to be. and you pretend to represent white people, too, while you enslave them and replace them, both for capitalism.
>>538197552They're using it as a weapon. None of these scammers, fraudsters and criminals are escaping anything other than prosecution for their crimes.
>>538197928communist countries have closed borders. capitalist countries have open borders, and require these open borders in order to keep their economic policies working. as fascists, you're responsible for every immigrant in this nation.
>>538198011>>538197928>communist countries have closed borders. capitalist countries have open borders, and require these open borders in order to keep their economic policies working. as fascists, you're responsible for every immigrant in this nation.PS, white people will hang you once they wake up to what you've really done to them. and they will be fully justified.
>>538198011Communist countries, as it were, have closed borders because there is a constant state of tension between them and capitalist states, yes.
>>538197552>socialism in one countrydidn't work under Stalinsorry but we need world revolution, current immigration laws let richfags exploit immigrants and we should make it easier for said immigrants to organize and strike
>>538198033I am white and white countries have never ever respected borders, America was built by explictly ignoring snd violating legal borders and sending immigrants over them
>>538197852>Nigger, the USSR helped found Israel.At first glace, if you're trying to get them the fuck out of your country, giving them a place to go sounds like a good idea. Instead it just turned into a refuge for criminals poisoning wells in other countries to escape to, once exposed. While also being a HQ to siphon funds to and allow them to live without doing any real work.
>>538198061this is your pseudohistory and misinformation, per the norm on /pol/. your purpose with it, per usual, is to gaslight the public about the facts of their problems, and how you, and you alone, are the direct cause of their problems.
>>538198102Are you saying the border between North and South Korea has to do with racial purity?
>>538198093you're not white, you're just pretending to be white in order to cozy up to your victims. capitalist countries have mass immigration because capitalism requires it for its economy. no one's responsible for it but you people, on the right.
>>538198133how impressive do you really think everyone is by you willfully working to find the 1 cherrypicked example of a border which is for an explicitly different reason?what do you think, people can't figure out how bullshit and pointless what you wrote was? there are many borders and you're focusing on 1 which extends from a civil war.
Open borders are insane...The perfect way to destroy your country...
>>538198148Capitalist countries require a reserve army of labor. They both require it, and demonize migrant labor and paint it as the enemy. Capitalism alternatively plays the friend of local labor, then migrant labor, alrernatively kicking either or the other down. And capitalism will continue to do this unless the forms of labor unite against it instead of competing with each other
>>538198148>>538198093>you're not white, you're just pretending to be white in order to cozy up to your victims. capitalist countries have mass immigration because capitalism requires it for its economy. no one's responsible for it but you people, on the right.PS, you are complete, irredeemable bastards, and people will learn the truth about you. when they learn no one is responsible for any of this bullshit which they've been subjected to but yourselves, there will finally be a revolution on your hands. and you will finally face justice for what you've done to everyone in this nation, whether they are white or black.
>>538197940Russia and Israel have a quiet relationship. They do about $3b in trade. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Russia_relationsAs I've previously pointed out, communist countries only becane anti Zionist after Israel decided they were going to be capitalist instead of socialist, but even Russia is cool with Israel, albeit quietly. China supports Iran because of oil, but they have a quiet relationship with Israel too because of their tech (largest tech sector outside of California is in Israel)North Korea has anti Zionism feelings but let's be honest, they're anti western.
>>538198193That is hardly cherry picked. Cuba if anything has travel choked off to them by America.
>>538197552Borders don’t exist in nature
>>538198231capitalism requires immigrants. why are you even trying to bicker with me about it?
>>538198240This is just Jewish Messianism>one day our Chosen Race will rise up and enslave the rest
>>538197552Because the "workers of the world" is hard-coded into their ideology.You will notice that other causes like feminism and gay rights always takes the back seat to race. Pakistani rape gangs raping 100s of kids? "Feminists" are more concerned with islamophobia. Black men killing trans"women" in droves? Trans rights activists play it down to maintain solidarity with people of color. This is because they were always secondary, a way to manipulate a proportion of the white population.Race is actually central to communism and socialism as well as social democracy, anarchism, democratic socialism and the rest. It seems contradictory since they often screech against "racism", but their views on race do not match race in reality, so they must obsess with race and penalize people for questioning their dogma on race to cover up these contradictions. Black people will never be IQ 100 and low crime like white people, you might find a few well behaved reasonably intelligent Obamas who fit this description, but that still leaves the masses of black people who will never leave the ghetto. So the communists have only one option, to go all in with the open borders and diversity and race mixing and race denialism and whatever, in the hopes that they can stir the melting pot enough that whites themselves become a tiny minority and powerless to stop it. Some have coined this "bioleninism". It is a giant sunk cost fallacy, alongside the fact many communists are brown themselves.
>>538197552name ONE who supported "open borders"
>>538198298Of course. Capitalism also needs labor. Does that mean labor is the enemy?
>>538198256russia and every other country in the east is not allied with israel, but iran. posting about whatever trade happens within this globalized economy does not make that any different. russia, china and the united states all trade, but we're not allies with the east.please fuck off. please quit trying to mindcontrol ordinary people.
>>538198011Open borders is not necessary for capitalism as free markets can exist perfectly well within your own borders.The only countries with open borders are the ones who's elites are trying to kill off the native population.
>>538197876Ok but that's not "open borders" sweaty. Don't you understand that?>>538197923>pseudohistoryhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Curtain>>538197975>none of you here are whiteyou're definitely not lmao
>>538198370its not just a matter of needing labor. and, also, why do you speak in fucking haikus? for real, dude, i can barely even understand your posts.
>>538198408Capitalism has ALWAYS relied on mass-immigration. Always. There was never a capitalist state without it.
>>538198408capitalism requires open borders. you're trying to brainwash the public not to know that in order to keep them from addressing and fixing the problem. you're doing this because you're open borders capitalists on this website, who pretend to be anti-immigration racists in order to evade blame for the crimes you're blatantly committing.
>>538198427It is essentially open borders for them. Yes there are still borders but there are often even borders between states in America with checkpoints and ID and questions, we still say movement from American state to the next is basically open borders
>>538198427there's nothing about the link you posted which alters your narratives about communist nations into not being pseudohistorical, not would it matter what was written on wikipedia, a place with well known anticommunist, right-wing bias, anyhow.
>>538198299huh? like i wrote above, your posts are written like fucking haikus, they make no sense, and i cannot understand them.
>>538198472You are right, Capitalism depends on an industrial reserve laboral army to survive. That means if you don't like shit wages, horrible labor conditions, and your boss treating you like shit, then a reserve of migrants from poorer countries will gladly take that job
>>538198428It's a matter of needing the reserve industrial army. Capitalism does not just need labor, it needs people without jons looking for work because that drives wages down. This segment was called by marx the reserve industrial army. Without it, workers would always gain total control. Nonetheless you cannot overcome this unless workers and the reserve industrial army ally against capitalism. If you focus all your energy on this capitalists will just promise solutions but never ever deliver
>>538198497>It is essentially open borders for them.>essentiallylmao, cool story shitskin
>>5381985212+2=5. See? I can do it too :)
>>538198553no. this is only the tip of iceberg, and not even remotely the main reason why capitalism requires endless mass immigration.not to fight with you when you are agreeing with me, but...>Speculation>GDP / Stock Market>Age Demographics>Global talent to attract capital to America>Stimulation of demandthese are only a few reasons why capitalism requires immigrants, and this is not even remotely an entire list.
>>538198553How come China has no migrants (except away) and still all of that?
>>538198555you're just writing random bullshit, per the norm for /pol/. i went over a few reasons why capitalism requires immigration below >>538198595.
>>538198582It is. The borders only exist for them insofar as to sift them from the lower classes
>>538198623That isn't random, it is basic Marxist theory. The first economist theorist to talk about mass migration and replacing local workers and driving down wages and raising rent was Engels. The reserve army of labor is a Marxist term
>>538197923>>538198427>>538198521>>538198592to be clear, on this exchange, there is nothing in the wikipedia page, which you cited, which corroborates your false narratives about communism vs capitalism, which you posted above >>538197824, and even if it were, it wouldn't matter anyway, because wikipedia is notoriously full of misinformation on communism and eastern nations. particularly china or the USSR.
>>538198631That's neato. So why can't Hasan go to the UK when African niggers can?
>>538197552>Why can't they stop supporting open borders?Socialism = JewsJews = destroyers of White countries.
>>538198678>even if it were, it wouldn't matter anyway5/10 larp anyway
>>538197552>>538197717Communism is jewish. I refuse to believe anyone but the most retarded nigger brained gen alpha are here are actually communists.
>>538198553We were trading so good before ww eleven that the jews made us join that worthless war. And now we are infested by commie fucks.
>>538198668im really not interested in any /pol/ack claims about things being "basic marxist theory", which never accurately represents marxists or our views."immigrants drive wages down" is a falsehood, and its a lie you use to mislead the public about the nature of their problem with openborders. it makes it sound optional. it makes it sound like if you just elect the right politician, they could end immigration, and this is all false.....this is all false.the issues are far deeper than that, but you don't want people knowing that because you don't want them knowing "capitalism requires mass immigration"
>>538197861How is it that capitalist countries managed to have secure borders for most of their history up until 20 or so years ago? Please explain in great detail.
>>538198683Because he has been deem an enemy to the capitalist regime there.
>>538198396You're view of this conflict is frankly retarded. They view Iran as an asset, like Israel, but they aren't anti Zionist. I never claimed they were best friends. And again, the USSR literally helped found Israel.
>>538198595I also want to add how (((diversity))) is very anti labor. It will reduce wages and labor conditions, make the population have less cohesion, make it harder to unionize, etc etc etc
>>538198706your link does not corroborate your claims, and wikipedia is not a valid source for anything, but particularly not for anything which pertains to communism.cope. cry.
>>538198763>"immigrants drive wages down" is a falsehoodSupply and demand is not a falsehood, and the Financial Times even did an article arguing for immigration as required because labor was getting too expensive and was causing inflation
>>538198102>Communists had closed borders>chinks and Ukrainians were allowed to freely wander RussiaNo
>>538198772Right but you said open borders for the wealthy so you were wrong honey.>>538198813lmao, do moar
>>538198783russia is anti-zionist and allied with iran. your claim to the contrary is NAFO war propaganda where you're trying to convince uninformed racist white people into voting for war. war which promotes the very zionist agenda you're pretending to oppose here.in the same way you pretend to oppose mass immigration, you're just full of bullshit.
>>538198858The wealthy have it as a default privilege but yes it can be revoked
>>538197552Mass immigration is a byproduct of capitalism. Without the incentives of wage-slavery and with industry managed socially and locally, there would be no need to import cheap labor from other parts of the world, except perhaps for jobs that can't be filled under normal conditions. You can be an internationalist who opposes the restrictive conditions of the capitalist nation-state and without necessarily supporting "open borders", (even as chuddies predictably keep moving the goal post on what exactly that means). It's right wingers who are so singularly, existentially obsessed with the migration issue that they can't understand how socialists can square it and just assume it's hypocrisy.
>>538197552That's literally nazbol.
>>538198784no. diversity does not "reduce wages" or anything else. this is just a direct falsehood, where you're trying to blame poor and brown people for the crimes of the billionaire capitalists.but i reiterate every immigrant is here due to you fascists, who pretend to be racists while, in fact, being for open borders capitalism.
>>538198903Borders are themselves contingent upon capitalist regimes, because they are drawn by a consensus of capitalists. Actual immigration restriction and rights under communism would be a matter of soviets, if one wants to move somewhere one would apply to the soviet of that area and they would decide by consensus on if you could live among them
>>538198817"supply and demand", you just BTFOd yourself, you fucking idiot. immigrants increase demand.>but muh msm said...no. i don't care whatever bullshit msm article you read. the western msm is fake. immigrants inherently increase demand, and this increases wages, too. and this is just 1 more reason why we rely on them, in the west (due to you).
>>538198396LOL anti-semitism is illegal in Russia, can't even deny the holocaust
>>538198903You can have good paid jobs even as a janitor, labor laws, healthcare, education, and a lot of other social services etc etc or diversity
>>538199002yet they're not zionists. funny. it's almost like there's a cultural background where they were invaded by nazis, and their grandparents literally all died violently as a result of your ideology, which you're intentionally ignoring in order to mindcontrol people into believing a fake narrative of western politics, which you hope will keep them voting for more war. fucking bastard.
>>538198763You are so retarded you don't even begin to realize how retarded you really are.
>>538198999Immigrants increase supply of labor. Jobs are not things that are sold (generally, commissions notwithstanding), labor is.
>>538197552>Just have socialism in one country, for the people of that country. The constant support for open borders among leftist candidates has pushed me away from them.Your error is trying to make sense of things using a conventional political rubric and, as such and through no fault of your own, you have misinterpreted the situation. The (likely chinese-led) plan to destroy America was given an unexpected setback when Trump won in 2016. At that point, multiple adversarial organelles decided to go 'all-in' and begin using every resource against us, and with a kind of urgency which indicates they believed those resources may only have a limited time remaining before they lost their effectiveness, starting with Biden and continuing to this day to include what cards they still have yet to play. And they still have LOTS of cards to play. For instance, the chinese won't just be trying to attack us directly, they'll be coordinating with pissed off H1B indians who're being sent home to help them so as much destruction and mayhem as they're capable of. If socialism et al. fails they will likely resort to direct terror attacks on the infrastructure. As I've said before, in a complete twist of fate callback to the 80's there is the possibility that china may collapse during this process, that indian and pakistan may enter into some sort of nuclear conflagration or a few other not-so-unlikely scenarios that MAY, if we're very luck, cut us some slack as we try to shore up our own bullshit- such as Trump v Barbara.
>>538198952>no. diversity does not "reduce wages" or anything elseYes and it does and it sounds like you're supporting diversity and mass immigration already. I thought that was your big angle to convince right wingers to become communists?Please explain the purpose of mass migration in capitalism if not to reduce wages or "anything else"
>>538198842i have nothing to write in response to you people when you randomly put greentext words in your post, and pretend the people you're replying to wrote them. i didn't write any of that, and none of it makes any sense anyway. communist nations all had closed borders. this is not a debate. whilst the fascist ones (even nazi germany) have mass immigration.
>>538199045Communists killed more of their ancestors than nazis ever did though. Pretty funny but thats a shit argument. You're literally like 80IQ at best.
>>538198875No they factually have a pragmatic relationship and work together today in syria. It's not promoting an agenda, they factually have a working alliance. Russia helped found Israel, they work with Israel on certain matters, and while they are still friends with Iran, they aren't anti Zionist. >https://embassies.gov.il/russia/en/the-embassy/bilateral-relationsAlso I'm opposed to mass immigration, and I have no idea why you think otherwise.
>>538199095all mass immigration is the result of you people on the right, but your false claims of "immigrants lowering wages" are untrue and made to pass blame on to poor brown people, rather than the billionaires who are underpaying their employees. on top of just generally miseducating them about the reasons why capitalism requires immigration, which are far deeper than what you're pretending.you're here to mindcontrol the public. we're not falling for it as easily as you feel we will.
>>538199101So you have no argument and you're a newfag.
>>538199156>far deeping than what you are pretendingI'm waiting for you to explain but I doubt you ever will. Its because you have the IQ of a goldfish, you're literally just angrily parroting the retarded talking points some jew shitskin faggot fed you.
>>538199128nah. western anticommunist falsehoods. propaganda. pale. empty.>>538199152russia is allies with iran, not israel. no matter what bullshit you post on /pol/, these are the facts. russia is allies with iran, not israel.much of what you're doing is misrepresenting normal political relations between 2 countries as "an alliance" or "a partnership", and the reason you're doing this is to brainwash uninformed people into supporting war. war which, ironically, is for zionism. this is how full of shit you people are. youre open borders zionists.
>>538197552>Why can't they stop supporting open borders?Because they're puppets of globalists.
>>538199239>anti-communist falsehoodsNah.
>>538199180"you have no argument" or "newfag" is just what you people write when you're defeated, and people didn't fall for your bullshit.>>538199215i mentioned a few aspects of this above >>538198595 but with all posts which threaten your lies here on /pol/, you pretend you didn't see them, and then just listlessly repeat yourself afterwards.
>>538198890Ok so you were wrong then, like I said.
>>538199284yes. but i will note, as a communist, that there are many wealthy people whom i believe deserve death or imprisonment. don't know why you feel im to be ashamed of that. we, as communists, want violence perpetrated, by the state, against the wealthy.
>>538199294You have no arguments, listing out various financial institutions and markers is not an argument. Explain the relation and how its not lowering wages. I really doubt you even know what the GDP is, let alone how the stock market or communism works. You are literally a shitskin low IQ retard that likes being angry so they adopted the red flag to be a retarded angry nigger about everything. How edgy!
>>538198858feel free to post for me the part of your link which you feel corroroborates your claims, which you wrote here >>538197824. oh, you can't? convenient. well isn't that funny?
>>538199337Nope, its not a falsehood. Stalin and Mao killed millions out of incompetence alone. >I want to kill wealthy peopleYes, we know. You're an angry poorfag shitskin who has no logical or reasoned arguments. You're literally just a bull who see's red.
>>538199405yes, moar! do moar!
>>538199405>can't even into ID'sNewfag
>>538199384you're pretending not to understand basic concepts in order to evade having to respond to your political opposition, or accept responsibility for your crimes, per the norm on /pol/. economies are governed by a principle known as "supply and demand", and immigrants increase demand, and that means everyone else gets better jobs and higher wages. immigrants just do not lower wages, it's merely a falsehood peddled in western media to get working people to blame the poor for their financial problems, instead of the wealthy. and you peddle it here on /pol/ because you're propagandists for the wealthy.
>>538199284That poster is simply a celebration of different global ethnicities. At no point did the USSR ever decide to mass import indians or chinese. You're just sperging out because they werent nazis that wanted to kill everyone that didnt look like them.
>>538199451i tagged the right id. wtf are you even talking about?>>538199442where's the portion which corroborates your narrative? poof! not there!
>>538197552>2026>still not NazBolWhy even live?
>>538199432tell me more about how horrible you feel the poor are.
>>538199468>you're pretending to understand basic concepts to evade having to respondNice projection, you've yet to post a single line of logical thought to justify your claim that capitalism requires immigration. Literally the only claim you could have made is the claim that mass immigration is needed for cheap labor by the capitalist class. You chose to make the claim that this was false though. Even among the communists I've talked to, you are especially retarded. I would reccomend never trying to spread your ideology every again, you're making communists look even more mentally challenged than they even are. Thats quit the feat.
>>538197975I'm Jewkrainian, and even I'm whiter than you, faggot.
>>538199483its a end goal. Literally the only reason pajeets didn't mass migrate to the USSR is that even they knew living in the USSR was worse than India.
>>538199578"n....nuh uh!" that's your response dude. unimpressive. defeated. take a seat.
>>538199002Which is not surprising, considering Russians are the ones that fabricated it in the first place.
>>538199483Oh also>muh stronk independent women in the workforcekek. >iinb4 muh birth rates of the USSR while ignoring the reason they're called boomers in America
>>538199609none of you are white here. you're fake whites, who peddle fake racism, which is intended to cover-up your crime of open borders, on top of the woke culture wars you peddle, funding both sides of in order to mindcontrol white people into voting for your bullshit false-promise fascist agenda.
>>538199622
>>538199664>>538199609>none of you are white here. you're fake whites, who peddle fake racism, which is intended to cover-up your crime of open borders, on top of the woke culture wars you peddle, funding both sides of in order to mindcontrol white people into voting for your bullshit false-promise fascist agenda.PS, do i need to discuss the way you're all zionists, when it comes down to it, too?you are truly the worst, here. whitey _will_ wake up, and when he does, he will fucking hang you.
>>538199664>none of you are white here. you're fake whites, who peddle fake racism, which is intended to cover-up your crime of open borders, on top of the woke culture wars you peddle, funding both sides of in order to mindcontrol white people into voting for your bullshit false-promise fascist agenda.
>>538197552Real answer: Communists believe that labor should have the same right as capital . That means that so long as capital can flow freely across borders so too should labor. Also global revolution is inevitable so establishing a labor aristocracy via restrictive immigration laws is pointless
i'll cheer on every white racist when he finally wakes up and realizes just how much falsehood and false promises you've been feeding him.
>>538199702>you are truly the worst, here. whitey _will_ wake up,Is this you?
>>538199778if it is, it makes me whiter than you.
>>538199726Have you ever considered that capital should also be heavily restricted for foreign nations?
ironic part is, i'm actually the whitest person on /pol/, and also the least closeted-homosexual.
>>538199726
>>538199536Right has that inbred German look and left seems like a half-Latina hammerhead. Not quite butterfaces, but dangerously close. I still would.
>>538199785Jews aren't white though.
i could have fallen for your tricks....if i was an idiot, or a psychopath.
>>538199844that's cool, anon. i'm not jewish, though.
>>538199799Capital should be socially owned, not privatized
>>538197552
>>538199842>I still would.A man of culture.
>>538199849The trick of asking you to explain your position. You are a great spokesperson for leftism in general. Why are you so attached to the label of leftist? Does it give you a sense of identity with your tranny discord friends?
>>538197552We have socialism.What you're describing is national socialism.We have that.
let's reiterate what we learned from this thread:>"fascists are actually open borders capitalists who peddle fake racism in order to mislead the public into believing they're not really responsible for their crimes. "leftists" and "jews" are scapegoats. none of these fucks are what they pretend to be. and, in fact, they are the ones responsible for the very white replacement they pretend to oppose"wow, its the same lesson we learn every night on /pol/, when i show up in a thread with 1 of you.
>>538199883Why?
>>538199902"why am i a leftist"? i believe in class war.
>>538199935Because private ownership of capital no longer enhances the creation of wealth. Capitalism, as Lenin said, has already reached the point of socialism, it's just privatized socialism so all the labor and losses are socialized while the gain is privatized
>>538199929>you are open bordersNo I'm not>yes you are because umm capitalism and the stonk market and GDPCan you explain >pic related
>>538197552They need to import a billion Islamist browns to destroy the West desu, they can't close the borders or their plan will fail.
>Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew – not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew.>Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew.>What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.>Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Judaism, would be the self-emancipation of our time.
>>538200000you're for open borders, yup.your politics, as fascists, exist to protect capitalism from the communists, with identity politics and jewish scapegoats. this capitalist economic system, which you defend, fundamentally relies on endless mass immigration, in order to remain afloat.
>>538199949>I believe in class warYet this entire thread you've been threatening about white people hanging non whites, also once known as the day of rope. Very fascist of you.
>>538200030>>538200000>you're for open borders, yup.>your politics, as fascists, exist to protect capitalism from the communists, with identity politics and jewish scapegoats. this capitalist economic system, which you defend, fundamentally relies on endless mass immigration, in order to remain afloat.PS. everything about you people is....just....fucking....bullshit. and you know it, no matter how much you won't admit it.
>>538200030Nazis which I assume you think are identical to fascist actually had closed borders and they didn't promote race mixing and diversity like communists. Care to explain?
>>538200000Nice. Impressive
>>538200031per the norm on /pol/, none of you will ever do anything but mischaracterize your political oppositions posts, or views. thanks for providing one more example of this, right here. i mean, you fucking epitomized it.
>>538200060This is the most projection i've ever seen a leftist do. Why are European socialist countries promoting open borders and race mixing?
>>538200067Didn’t Nazis invade Western Europe to prop up a Ponzi scheme they inflicted on their own people while building a massive network of internment camps for slave labor?
>>538200102>mischaracterize your political oppositions views>you fascists want open borders
>>538200067the nazis did not have closed borders. no. they had "tense borders", that's not the same thing. and the way they got around that was this uniquely pernicious mass immigration scheme where they kidnapped white children from all over europe, often murdering them once they were brought back into germany, for whatever reason....>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_children_by_Nazi_Germany
>>538197552>just have socialism in one countryThats what Stalin’s motto was but people call him the greatest psychopath of all time
>>538200150no one's mischaracterizing you. we're not falling for your propaganda, those things are not the same.
>>538200134No. Did Stalin actually enjoy cuckold porn in his cowboy movies?
>>538200113we've been through this far more times than i possibly can repeat, without just noting how much you people are willfully pretending to understand nothing in order evade facing accountability for your crimes.the immigration is required for capitalism. all over the west, the immigration is requires for capitalism. not optional, but fundamental to this system. and every 1 of you pieces of shit, on this board, are the 1s responsible for it, no matter how much you pretend "nuh uh,"
>>538200174Hm strange, I thought Stalins motto was le workers of the world unite!
muttland has socialism right now, it's just socialism for bezo and elon and ellison and company. dog eat dog fake capitalism for you the rest of you clueless goyim mutts
Anon jews just did a coup and control the United States. We don't have a political or economic system anymore.
notice how no matter how many times things are pointed out to /pol/acks, explained to them, or relentlessly repeated right in their faces, they will _always_ just pretend they didn't understand? that's mendacity, not stupidity. this is 1 of the many tactics they use to evade having to recognize the way they've knowingly bullshitted you.
>>538200296>Explained to themWhere?
>>538197552Communism can basically be described as the physiological urge to retvrn to tribal, communal living. I don’t know where you’re from but in my experience everything with the word “community/communal” in front of it basically means it’s shitty and dirty. Community pools, community centers, communal apartment buildings. Some may be nicer than others depending on the area, but for the most part they fucking suck.
>>538197552Copy pasta previous reality never works.
Neocommunism is entirely based on perceived racial grievances the "labor" part of it was firmly left behind in the 20th century
>>538199522lmao, moar!
If an another country with a better system and better standard of living exists no one would want to live in the communist country and they will fleeIn order for communism to work there can't be any alternatives allowed to exist
>>538200296>53 posts by this IDthis is really funny
>>538200296I don't know if anybody told you this but our nation has been conquered by Jews who are going to do nothing but give themselves money.
>>538197552Marxist dialectics of "oppressor vs. oppressed" always leads them to attacking white people, because we won at history. They can't follow their dialectic without seeing turd-worlders as the "oppressed" who need reparations from white people. Also their idea of maximizing democracy ultimately leads to globalism and whites being subjugated by other races because there's more of them. In an absolute democracy, jeets, chinks, and Africans would control global policy.
>>538200518And all of those groups would immediately vote to steal everything of value from western nations.They'd even relocate the historical buildings and architecture right out of Europe into their own backyards
>>538199002>LOL anti-semitism is illegal in Russia, can't even deny the holocaustto the point that we have anti-semites even in the Kremlin/FSB, such as Dmitry Rogozinhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Rogozintypical "lemme tell you about your country" amerimutt
>>538199644>Which is not surprising, considering Russians are the ones that fabricated it in the first place.kys, faggot
>>538200603Exactly.Marxism = shitskins voting to disenfranchise whites, that's why we can't allow it to happen. I don't necessarily love jewish capitalism either, it's just that we were born into this situation. We had an option with Uncle Adolf, but kikes, cucks, and leftoids denied us that.
>>538200750Marxism is the white man's ideology actually
>>538199726>so establishing a labor aristocracy via restrictive immigration laws is pointlessI don't want to live in a country that's full of Haitians and Jeets - the material living conditions would literally be worse, even if it was a "worker's paradise". The problem with commies and lolberts is you both see humans as replaceable economic units like NPCs in Sim City. Not all humans are the same. A million niggers from Somalia is not equal to a million Germans.
>>538200738Stay mad, zigger.
>>538197552>Just have socialism in one country,Nobody tell him
>>538200876It was made by a middle-class neet philosophy student jew who nominated himself as the leader of European worker's movements that already existed. Oswald Spengler mogs Marx.
>>538197717They are two sides of the same Jewish coin
>>538200988He was so right, that people had to apply some socialist policies in their countries to prevent class struggle against them
>>538200947>Stay madwhy would i be mad over the fact that it's you, american kikes/WASPs, that imposed communism onto us and created the whole holohoax narrative?
>>538200174>Stalin’s mottoStalin didn't have shit in mottos/political subjetiveness, his overlord and mastermind was -- Kaganovich Stalin was a good-for-nothing gayorgian dumbfuck churkathe least he could actually do is to rob bank and trains/trams in Czarist Russia
>>538200482i can't even bother with you people, anymore. not on the level i used to. the old "jewish scapegoat" bullshit, and i remind you people, too, that you are the zionists.
>>538200925its a falsehood. immigrants increase demand, and thereby increase the value of labor.
>>538198903Like 90%+ of all Western leftists support open borders and worship shitskins though. You can't enact communism in the West while also having closed borders, because the leftist base simply wouldn't allow it. Also communists have spent decades trying to appeal to browns and niggers, and painting whites as "evil imperialists". There's no functional room for "closed borders policy" in Western leftist praxis.>You can be an internationalist who opposes the restrictive conditions of the capitalist nation-state and without necessarily supporting "open borders"China and North Korea are effectively ethnostates and they aren't jumping at the opportunity to open their borders. They also seem to love the idea of a strong nation state. I'm guessing you're a Trotskyist or something (the most jewy form of communism). >>538197717There's no real large movement for closed borders among Western communists. China and North Korea adopted nationalism as part of their government because it's simply logical, but nationalism is mostly seen as "problematic" or "reactionary" in orthodox communist ideology. Western commies only tolerate nationalism for nonwhites because they see them as "oppressed victims", so they don't get as much scrutiny. Communism as it stands now revolved around painting whites as evil imperialists who need to be punished. Therefore it's not attractive to me as a white male.
>>538201543>now you're shilling for immigrationMake up you mind about what your shill narrative is, lol.
>>538201543>>538200925>its a falsehood. immigrants increase demand, and thereby increase the value of labor.PS, this is 1 of your most pernicious lies.1st of, its a limited hangout. it's the thing you tell people once you've begun to recognize "wait, fuck, they're beginning to notice the immigration is for capitalism". and one thing you're doing is to make it seem optional. like "oh, it's just corruption, you pleb, vote for a more fascist president, and we will end it".but this is a falsehood. and you're entirely misinforming people. immigrants actually increase demand, and thereby increase everyone's wages. indeed, in a world where our entire economy is predicated on immigrants, it's entirely accurate to say there would be no jobs without immigrants. and you're basically gaslighting this fact, whenever you post this rhetoric.you're pushing people _further_ from understanding "immigration is inherent to capitalism", and thereby protecting your precious capitalism.2nd of all, you're convincing people to blame poor browns for their lower wages, instead of the wealthy. on its face, its easy to understand why this is pernicious.
>>538201660when did i "shill for immigration"? LMFAO. when did it happen? why can't you people ever just be honest about even 1 fucking thing on /pol/? and why are you always putting words in your political opposition's mouth?
>>538201676>>538201718Immigration decreases the value of labor, which means capitalists can pay workers less. It doesn't actually conflict with your idea of "immigration is le capitalist", you midwit.
>>538201625>There's no real large movement for closed borders among Western communists. China and North Korea adopted nationalism as part of their government because it's simply logical, but nationalism is mostly seen as "problematic" or "reactionary" in orthodox communist ideology. Western commies only tolerate nationalism for nonwhites because they see them as "oppressed victims", so they don't get as much scrutiny. Communism as it stands now revolved around painting whites as evil imperialists who need to be punished. Therefore it's not attractive to me as a white male.anything you're telling people, to characterize "western communists", or anyone on the left, is just your misrepresentation.here on /pol/, roughly 95% of what you do is merely misrepresenting your political opposition. and its the same in the western media, and on other political feeds in the internet.misrepresentation, misrepresentation, misrepresentation.....and the goal, ultimately, is to convince poor and working people to blame "the left" for _your_ crimes.
>>538197552Because demonic levels of envy makes them hate your guts more than you thought possible.
>>538201764every fucking comment with you people is just you pretending you didn't read what people wrote, then repeating yourselves. or pretending you don't understand basic concepts about the world, in order to evade having to face them. no, it doesn't. immigration increases demand, therefore it increases the value of labor. that's the way an economy works, "supply and demand", not just "supply", which is what you always all pretend whenever you discuss this issue. you intentionally pretend the other half of the equation does not exist, demand.
>>538197790Kill yourself, cancer.
>>538201814>>538201764>every fucking comment with you people is just you pretending you didn't read what people wrote, then repeating yourselves. or pretending you don't understand basic concepts about the world, in order to evade having to face them. no, it doesn't. immigration increases demand, therefore it increases the value of labor. that's the way an economy works, "supply and demand", not just "supply", which is what you always all pretend whenever you discuss this issue. you intentionally pretend the other half of the equation does not exist, demand.PS and i restate, why are you doing this?why do you want people not to understand the nature of capitalism, and it's reliance on immigration?well, it's not because you're anti-immigrant. if you were anti-immigrant then you would want the facts coming out, and people fixing it.nope. your goal is to cover-up the facts. mislead people away from them. thereby making sure they never fix the problem. because you're open borders capitalists who peddle fake racism in order to gaslight the public about your real pro-immigration agenda.
>>538201776Point-out some Western communist parties that are calling for closed borders. I'll wait. >>538201814Mods seriously need to rangeban you for spamming threads with your retarded autistic slop. There's other commies ITT who make better arguments than you do.>>538201866Stop making 3 replies to every post you autistic freak.>>538197790>immigration is only for le richThe Mexican border is swarming with poor cholos. The Mediterranean is full of African and Arab shitskins with tiny little motorboats trying to invade Europe. Poors can travel if they really want to, and leftists are always there to let them in and give them free shit.
>>538201932you don't have any "western communist parties" of any meaning. communism is banned here, and membership to these parties is illegal, being only a quick court decision away from becoming enforceable once more.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Control_Act_of_1954yeah, surprise, you fascists are not the anti-establishment ones. you're the establishment. and this is one more way in which you're responsible for mass immigration.and i reiterate that everything you're writing about us is _your_ right-wing misrepresentation, which exists for the purpose of _your_ propagnada. and it's peddled by the msm and internet feeds because _you_ represent the establishment in this nation.why don't you have any answers for what i wrote? why can't you face the facts?why do you want mods rangebanning me in order to shut me up, rather than just responding to me, in a meaningful way, and telling me why i'm wrong? why does every response from you people involve you just willfully pretending you didn't read, or didn't understand basic concepts?why? we know the real answers is because YOU'RE FUCKING OPEN BORDERS CAPITALISTS WHO MASQUERADE BEHIND THIS FAKE MASK OF RACISM, IN ORDER TO EVADE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.AND YOU'RE FUCKING ZIONISTS TOO.
and if any of you had even 1 fucking principles, even 1 of these things which you pretend to believe in, which you actually believed, you'd all be recognizing the stone truth in every word i write above >>538202119 and elsewhere.but you're fucking con artists. nothing more.
>>538202119Explain this.Also there's communist parties in Europe. Name some communist parties in Europe that support closed borders.
>>538202173>>538202119Also name some communist parties in Canada, Australia, or New Zealand that support closed borders.
Your class enemies that tell you communism is evil and killed 10000000000 billion people and don't want you to read marxist theory have understood Marx better than you, just to know how to exploit the working class better, and never allow them to do armed struggle for their own liberationYou won't see any based and redpilled right wing grifters talking about this problem ever just say the woke communists did it, while champagne socialists that are just aggresive libtards will only talk about racial grievances against white people.
>>538202173your response is too fucking predictable. no, we don't have any meaningful communist parties in the united states. and no, it doesn't matter what bullshit organizations, which no one who's a communist belongs to or identifies with, who arbitrarily have the name "communism" in them.and you know this.
>>538202376>>538202173>your response is too fucking predictable. no, we don't have any meaningful communist parties in the united states. and no, it doesn't matter what bullshit organizations, which no one who's a communist belongs to or identifies with, who arbitrarily have the name "communism" in them.>and you know this.PS, we live in a 2 party state. as if i have to even point this out.
>>538202396>>>538202376 (You)>>>538202173>>your response is too fucking predictable. no, we don't have any meaningful communist parties in the united states. and no, it doesn't matter what bullshit organizations, which no one who's a communist belongs to or identifies with, who arbitrarily have the name "communism" in them.>>and you know this.>PS, we live in a 2 party state. as if i have to even point this out.PPS please, please do your predictable thing now, where you pretend to be too fucking dumb to understand. where you pretend you're too fucking dumb to understand what a 2 party state is, or how we live in 1. it's the usual /pol/ fare, where you just pretend you're too fucking dumb to understand basic concepts, in order to evade having to admit you were pushing lies to the fucking public.you pieces of shit. fucking propagandists.
>>538197552communists are just violent revolutionaries looking to steal shit. don't think too hard about all the theory and shit, their command economy becomes murderous and tyrannical overnight
>>538202396>>538202437So who are the "real communists" and why don't you have a party? Do you even have any friends? kek
>>538204169there's millions of people in the united states with communist views. you've denied us any platform, censored us, and used your complete control of western media and internet to promote bullshit misrepresentations of us. when confronted, you pretend you're too dumb to understand what's being written to you, or that you're too dumb to understand very basic concepts, in order to evade having to confess to your crime. per usual.
>>538204260>>538204169by the way, thanks for providing a perfect example of exactly what i predicted you would do >>538202437. fucking animal. none of you deserve rights.
>>538204260So if you did a survey of 100 self-professed communists in the USA, how many of hem would support closed borders?
>>538197552Multiculturalism is pushed to atomize people so they don’t come together, who benefits?
>>538204328i don't know, but at least they don't pretend to be racist while pushing an open borders economic policy, which fundamentally relies on immigrants in order to keep itself afloat. and then play dumb, or pretend they can't understand basis concepts, whenever they're confronted with it. why do you keep ignoring the facts, huh? why is the only fucking thing you animals can do just default to your MSM misrepresentations of left-wing people? huh? cuz you're professional propagandists, and you're in on it.
>>538204390>>538204328>i don't know, but at least they don't pretend to be racist while pushing an open borders economic policy, which fundamentally relies on immigrants in order to keep itself afloat. and then play dumb, or pretend they can't understand basis concepts, whenever they're confronted with it. why do you keep ignoring the facts, huh? why is the only fucking thing you animals can do just default to your MSM misrepresentations of left-wing people? huh? cuz you're professional propagandists, and you're in on it.PS, let's watch once more, while you ignore the bulk of my post, then just repeat yourself listlessly, while pretending not to understand anything i wrote.
>>538204390>le capitalists are always open bordersExplain Henry Ford being a hardcore nationalist.
>>538204439you know, i don't even need to have a discussion with you about henry ford. henry ford has been dead for 80 years. no one gives a shit. and people have an entire repertoire of pseudohistory when it comes to him, and have fun with that, because no one's fucking impressed.
>>538204528>>538204439>you know, i don't even need to have a discussion with you about henry ford. henry ford has been dead for 80 years. no one gives a shit. and people have an entire repertoire of pseudohistory when it comes to him, and have fun with that, because no one's fucking impressed.PS, for the record, /pol/ is vicious proof that pretending you're a nationalist does not make one nationalist. right? because you're open borders capitalists here, who mask your open borders policy under fake racism in order to evade being held responsible for your crime.perhaps, just perhaps, henry ford was doing this exact grift. *gasp*. shocking, i know. almost like many wealthy people have done this over the centuries. throughout human history.
>>538204594>>>538204528 (You)>>>538204439>>you know, i don't even need to have a discussion with you about henry ford. henry ford has been dead for 80 years. no one gives a shit. and people have an entire repertoire of pseudohistory when it comes to him, and have fun with that, because no one's fucking impressed.>PS, for the record, /pol/ is vicious proof that pretending you're a nationalist does not make one nationalist. right? because you're open borders capitalists here, who mask your open borders policy under fake racism in order to evade being held responsible for your crime.>perhaps, just perhaps, henry ford was doing this exact grift. *gasp*. shocking, i know. almost like many wealthy people have done this over the centuries. throughout human history.PPS, who the fuck do you even think you are, posting this bullshit, anyway? "but this rich dead guy from 100 years ago publicly pretended he was a nationalist, that means capitalism doesn't require open borders". that's your fucking comment? that's what you people are reduced to, now? die.
>>538204528Your notion that capitalist people necessarily need to have open borders is false. What we live under currently is liberalism. Liberalism allows anybody to have any ideology, and they can amass wealth and capital and become CEOs and use their wealth to influence state policy. Open borders largely exists because liberals and leftists are in power via elections, but also because liberals and leftists can also amass wealth and use their wealth to influence state policy. George Soros spends his billions on promoting open border and DEI policies, and he's a liberal kike - not a fascist white nationalist. If we had a fascist government with fascists in power, then liberals wouldn't be allowed to have government roles, and likely would be deprived of their wealth also (if not just outright killed or imprisoned for treason). We only have open borders to the extent that liberals and leftists (who mostly have the same social values) are allowed government power.
>>538197552>Just have socialism in one country>Be any socialist in one country project>Get completely sidelined, co-opted coup'd, blockaded, spied upon, plotted by the (((international capitalist nations)))>CollapseOnly a nation like china can arguably pull off socialism in one country and even then, they had to drop socialism and move towards state capitalism with certain private investments. Trotsky was right, if you want a socialist movement you need to export the revolution worldwide, and even that is practically impossible without ZOG genuinely shitting its pants and dropping a few nukes on your revolution attempt
>>538204748LMFAO. what do you want me to write in response? you're an open borders capitalist who just writes "nuh uh" in response to anything, because you know you can't admit the truth of what you're doing.and every one of these billionaires has the exact same politics as you, and you can write "nuh uh! they didn't tell me that on fox news and CNN!" if you want. no one cares. they're open borders capitalists, and _you're_ open borders capitalists, because capitalism inherently requires open borders in order to keep afloat.
>>538204877>>538204748>LMFAO. what do you want me to write in response? you're an open borders capitalist who just writes "nuh uh" in response to anything, because you know you can't admit the truth of what you're doing.>and every one of these billionaires has the exact same politics as you, and you can write "nuh uh! they didn't tell me that on fox news and CNN!" if you want. no one cares. they're open borders capitalists, and _you're_ open borders capitalists, because capitalism inherently requires open borders in order to keep afloat.PS and every time you write to me, denying the fact about capitalism requiring open borders (which is like....just patently and basically a true fact, which is very widely known), then you're just demonstrating that _none_ of you give a fuck about closed borders here.
note that if anyone actually wanted closed borders, as badly as /pol/ pretended to, then they would obviously understand my posts and be like "yup, these are the facts, we've got to band together and end capitalism," note that if even 1 of these bastards actually was "racist", or wanted these borders closed, they would be agreeing with me.
>>538204169There will never be any labor party in the United States as long as the cattle continues to be distracted with identity politics and other cultural wars pushed by your class enemies
if you're out there, and you're reading this thread, and you're just an ordinary every day guy....then you should know these people are predators who are out to consume you like meat. don't let yourself fall for their grifts.
>>538205042you've done nothing but push jewish scapegoats in this thread, lmfao. why even bother continuing to keep up the "i'm a communist" grift? oh right, i know, because appropriation is another tactic of the right, and once you understand you can't beat the communist rhetoric in the thread, then you'll try to appropriate it.
>>538204748>Your notion that capitalist people necessarily need to have open borders is false.Nigger that's the epitome of capitalism. Capitalism needs cheap labor to extract as much CAPITAL from its workers as possible. >If we had a fascist government with fascists in power, then liberals wouldn't be allowed to have government rolesSo then why Krupp, Junker, IGG, VW, and countless private companies with aristrocrat, cuckservative, non-natsoc leadership were the norm in natsoc Germany, midwit? By today's standards all these people would actually be liberals, hell the word privatization got coined from natsoc Germany selling shares of state entities to these private companies lmfao. Fascism failed economically because they wanted all the good things in capitalism, without all the necessary baggage needed to make the system work. They wanted to eat the cake and have it too
and what happens when they do this >>538205119 usually is they will adopt the aesthetic of something. the words. a few conceptual buzzphrases, or whatever, nothing meaningful though.and they'll just quickly twist it into their own bullshit, which you see with this anon's comments above, where he's just pushing jewish scapegoats and basicbitch fascism (which is designed to appear populist while protecting the wealthy from blame).
*Cheap labor that inevitably comes from open borders and importing a quintillion jeets to depress workers wages
>>538205180"cheap labor, cheap labor, cheap labor". hmmmmmm, i scroll up and >>538204838 pushing the jewish scapegoats too. more appropriation. once more, as discussed in many posts above, mass immigration under capitalism is not about "cheap labor", and that is a mindcontrol psyop you are selling people in order to mislead them about how fundamental mass immigration is for capitalism, _and_ to force them into blaming the poor for their problems, rather than the wealthy.
>>538205180>>538205119>>538204919>>538204877Do you think Hasan Piker (millionaire) isn't a communist? His dad is a CEO too.Money doesn't magically transform somebody's ideology.
i won't let you push the "cheap labor" bullshit while i'm in the thread. i know precisely what you're working with that one. its 1 of your most pernicious lies.
>>538205298i don't know anything about "hasan piker", and don't know why you're talking to me about e-celebs. grow up.this is the only thing you people can ever do, is just invoke your western brainwashing about "communism being x". i wouldn't know the first thing about this man.
>>538205354You clearly know who he is, so tell me if he's a communist or not. My point is that communists can get rich and influence government policy within a liberal system.
>>538205391hahahaha lmfao, this is your response to me? "you clearly know who he is"? dude, i don't know anything about your e-celebs. i've never heard a word he has broadcast. not on even 1 topic. from time to time i watch krystal ball and saagar enjeti on breaking points, and that's the closest i've ever come to e-celebviewing.breaking points appears mostly-reasonable to me, when i do view it.
>>538205391>>538205447also, you don't have any points about "communists getting rich and influencing government" when you're talking about a dumb e-celeb. you have no point there. just fucking grow up, and people with a few million dollars in the bank are not who communists are after.
>>538205447>>538205180Okay, here's an "easier" one for you.Was Friedrich Engels a communist? Yes or no?
>>538205180>So then why Krupp, Junker, IGG, VW, and countless private companies with aristrocrat, cuckservative, non-natsoc leadership were the norm in natsoc Germany, midwit>By today's standards all these people would actually be liberalsThis, your class enemies will also start pushing for ultra patriotism and promise you to get rid of foreign elements subverting your country. But in reality it's the native workers that will be the first to be under oppresion by a fascist government that is selling the country out to the high class like those you mentioned.Right now the right wing grifters in America are promising the people they will get rid of the woke and immigrants with the help of tech faggots like Thiel and Karp, but in fact it's the native workers in America that will be under oppression by Thiel and Karp tech first
>>538205262>pushing the jewish scapegoats too. more appropriation. once more, as discussed in many posts above, mass immigration under capitalism is not about "cheap labor"Contradictory. Capitalism consumes itself at the expense of everyone else and every resource around it. Under a capitalist system you're a cog, if you're a citizen, you're an arguably, more expensive cog, than say, importing a few H1Bs to do your same work for 20% the markup fee. >to force them into blaming the poor for their problems, rather than the wealthy.Lack of reading comprehension. Nowhere am I blaming immigrants for all your problems. If anything what I'm implying is that corporations and wealthy cronies WILL push for immigrants and economically liberal politics to squeeze the last penny, and further drive the little guy into precarious conditions. The immigrant waves depressing wages or bringing cultural polarization, are merely a feature in capitalism, not a bug.
>>538197717"capitalism : first and foremost, faggots!Is that what they're telling kids in school
of course, any conversation with right-wingers has to come down to msm misrepresentations of people on the left, bullshit from "leftists" you saw in your internet feed (which actually was just getting promoted by a billionaire who runs the feed, in order to mindcontrol you), and e-celebs. naturally. none of you can even fucking think for yourselves.
>>538197552I get it. But I also look at it this way for most devloped nations.We have an issue where the elites want migrants. They want migrants to suppress wages and to fill roles sooner rather than take time to train and educate people to fill said roles. This issue means that so long as money influences the politics, there will NEVER be anti-immigration policy of any earnest degree.Therefor, we must try to undermine the elites of society, and reform the political system first, and THEN we can push for anti-migration policy. It will take time, and that sucks, but I see no other good way around it other than full blown violence.
>>538205555you're politics as a fascist involve the protection of capitalism with identity politics and jewish scapegoats, and you're also responsible for our open borders because they're required for capitalism. you can whine "nuh uh! nuh uh! i'm based! i'm cool!" until the end of the night, it won't make any difference. you're not based or cool.
>>538205555>Under a capitalist system you're a cog, if you're a citizen, you're an arguably, more expensive cog,Tell me how Chinese dudes in sweatshops feel about having to work 12 hour shifts and the government spying on them constantly and controlling their media? Are they materially better-off than "capitalist Americans"?
>>538205522why are you even bothering, dude? i don't fucking care about whatever you have to write about anyone. i'm concerned with 15% hunger rate in the united states. our homelessness. the massive wealth inequality. the inability for people to earn living wages. or to buy homes. the way the working people of this nation are exploited under the private ownership model. these are the things which concern me, as a communist. you fucking faggots always whining about your e-celebs, or your bullshit mental gymnastic rhetoric about historical figures....no one fucking gives a fuck.
>>538205656>too autistic to realize that the Costa Rican is a fellow commieHilarious.
>>538197928> Capitalism creates mass immigration and *needs* mass immigrationI think this is a bit of a misconception, the Jewish debt based monetary system is what drives the need for infinite growth. The obsession with capitalism diverts attention from the real issue.
>>538205722>get proven wrong>DUDE I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR ARGUMENTVery jewish.
>>538205729i don't even know what this fucking means. i mean, you wrote completely not sequitur bullshit, with greentext which makes no sense....per usual.
>>538205771You're literally stupid.
>>538205752"proven wrong" by what? what are you even talking about, lmfao? all i know is that you asked me a question about friedrich engels, and i'm trying to explain to you that there's nothing you would possibly have to write about him, or marx, or anyone else, which would effect me or concern me in any way. because my politics are not about your celebrities or figures, they're about real world problems, and real world fixes.
>>538205787great. well, i have no fucking clue what you wrote. every comment from you appears to be genuinely fucking incoherent. have fun. feel free to declare yourself "the winner of the debate" or whatever, like /pol/acks frequently do whenever they're just butthurt, and unable to put any rational comments forward.
>>538198095You fucking illiterate uneducated mutt.USSR was ran by Jews for Jews. They suppoerted Israel because they were Jews. Every single one non-jew under USSR influence know this shit was juedo-communism.The whole anti-Israel thing was just typical jewish sects infighting and use of "antisemitic zionism" to ramp up migration of Jews into Israel. To this day Russia with Putin on top love Israel. Even Putin said himself he will not want to fight Israel because "few millions Israelis are Russians".
>>538205813You were saying that rich people and CEOs can't be communist. Your argument all this thread hinges on the idea that capitalism magically makes everyone in power be supporters of open borders. My argument is that fascists and people who support closed borders and ethnonationalism can also be capitalists (Henry Ford). Likewise, rich people and CEOs can also be communists. Engaging in a capitalist economic system doesn't magically change your political views. >>538205882>i have no fucking clue what you wroteSomething tells me you have this problem a lot and not just with me.
Modern day socialists are just lazy people with useless degrees blaming a system that naturally puts them in their rightful place, inferior.
>>538198472>capitalism requires open borders.Socialism requires high birth rates. If birth rates falls, socialism need open borders. And it is where the western developed world is right now. These all open borders are to fuel socialist pension and retirement plans that eat up about 1/2 of yearly budget wordlwide for developed countries. And as with all socialist policies this is just shortsighted quick fix that will end up in total collapse just like USSR did.
>>538205950>You were saying that rich people and CEOs can't be communist. Your argument all this thread hinges on the idea that capitalism magically makes everyone in power be supporters of open borders. My argument is that fascists and people who support closed borders and ethnonationalism can also be capitalists (Henry Ford). Likewise, rich people and CEOs can also be communists. Engaging in a capitalist economic system doesn't magically change your political views.if what you were trying to do was equate e-celebs with billionaires, then you're even fucking worse off than i thought you were. no, there's nothing about e-celebs which would be comparable, in any way, to the billionaire capitalists we're discussing when we talk about george soros, who very much is a billionaire capitalist, and one of the primary figures who's frequently credited with the fall of the soviet union. and he funds your politics (which i discussed more of up here >>538204260) and he has the exact same policies as you, because you're both open borders capitalists.
>>538197552Borders have to be enforced. That implies organized force. Borders divide the working class. The goal of socialism is communism, a stateless society, upheld by the collective of the working class. And once you fully embrace class solidarity, you can't just decide an arbitrary stopping point, like a national border. It has to extend internationally towards workers outside your country. In addition, borders are ultimately artificial dividers between people. You can't maintain class conciousness if you divide groups of the same class apart merely because a nation's border exists between them. How can you truly say you are equal with someone, if you want the exclude them from your country based on just the fact that they happen to live outside some bureaucratic border, that only exists on a map because you want it to exist there?
>>538205042Okay then, can you name 10 dudes in your Discord who are communist and support closed borders you stupid faggot? "Closed-borders communists" are virtually non-existent in the West, you're all anti-white and you're more likely to support idpol for niggers.
>>538205656Again, if you learned how to read, you would realize I am not a fascist/natsoc. >Protection of identity politicsNigger calm the fuck down lmao. I've already told you, idpol is a symptom of the current flawed, capitalist system.>Jewish scapegoatsThere's an undeniable overrepresentation of ultra-wealthy leaders and jewish individuals, despite their minuscule demographic. Now I'm not gonna split hairs or say that every kike is necessarily bad, that's playing into identity politics and I agree on that point. But right now there's a jewish-supremacist ethno-state in the world that should be abolished in its current form, one that employs genocide, imperialism and apartheid-ism to its own people: Israel. Even the most hardcore commie or the most milquetoast normalfag would agree on this nowadays. But then again I won't refer to this again, it just deviates from the OP and it would be preaching to the choir.>>538205656>and you're also responsible for our open borders because they're required for capitalism.You're just repeating what I just said. Capitalism inevitably requires open borders, for all the wrong reasons.
>>538197790What? Rootless elites are one of the biggest problems with our society. Anyone who isn't a retard absolutely wants elites tethered to their home nation so that if/when they profit, it's due to investment and development of their own people in their own neighbourhoods, not as rootless elite parasites. Are you under the impression that anti-immigrant nationalists want elites gallivanting around the world and parasitizing their own nations from afar?
>>538205977lmfao. always another dumb, random line. "socialism requires high birth rates", no. no, it doesn't.that's an entirely fictional, completely random line you just made-up, out of nowhere. have fun with that one. do i even need to remind everyone that, at one point, the chinese had instituted a 1-child policy? if there's 1 fact that should shut you the fuck up forever about this one, it's that.....but watch how you just pretend not to have read my comment, double down, and repeat yourself.
>>538206106>>538205977>lmfao. always another dumb, random line. "socialism requires high birth rates", no.>no, it doesn't.>that's an entirely fictional, completely random line you just made-up, out of nowhere. have fun with that one.>do i even need to remind everyone that, at one point, the chinese had instituted a 1-child policy?>if there's 1 fact that should shut you the fuck up forever about this one, it's that.>....but watch how you just pretend not to have read my comment, double down, and repeat yourself.PS I'll even 2 a TLDR so you can't ignore it.TLDR: "you made this up, and the chinese even instituted a 1 child policy previously, which infamously proves your rhetoric was false,"
>>538205889you are retarded rusophobe. Poland was the most jewish country under arenda system.
>>538206055If nations don't exist and you want to maximize democracy, then logically that leads to allowing Indians to vote on global policy in a global democratic "super state". There are 5 million Finns and 1.47 billion Indians. Do you like the Finnish race's votes being meaningless?
>>538206076>Again, if you learned how to read, you would realize I am not a fascist/natsoc.no, i'm not even reading passed this. you were pushing the jewish scapegoats up above >>538204838. fuck off. no one's interested in your gaslighting. you're up there trying to convince everyone to "blame the jews", but then clutching your pearls about being called a "nazi" or a "fascist" afterwards. quit wasting my time, just fuck off.
>>538206055>The goal of socialism is communism, a stateless society, upheld by the collective of the working class. And once you fully embrace class solidarity, you can't just decide an arbitrary stopping point, like a national border. It has to extend internationally towards workers outside your country. In addition, borders are ultimately artificial dividers between peopleYou fell for libtard propaganda that communism is when equality for all
>>538206313How do you defend the existence of nation-states via an Orthodox Marxist lens?
>>538197552Nigger, do you think China and North Korea support open borders? Why do you believe Western libtards are leftists/socialists?
notice all of these nazis, who pretend they're fully against immigration, but none of them really want to face the fact of why immigration is necessary for capitalism. funny, huh! queer! queer, indeed! its almost as if everything they've written on this board, for the last 15 years, has just been bullshit!!!!
>>538198952Everything you wrote here is so retarded there's zero point in engaging you; you're a mongrel animal that just needs to be killed. But for the sake of third parties reading, I'm going to break down exactly why everything you just said is fucking retarded:>"Muh poor browns aren't guilty it's teh capitalists!!"Mass migration is a tool of neoliberal, globalist capitalists. That's the whole point. What you're saying right now is like, "It's not the bullets that are killing you, it's the guy shooting them from the gun!" like yeah no shit, but the bullets hitting you are still objectively killing you. The entire purpose of mass migration is not to give poor retards a "better life" (as a quick aside, why do these 0.01% of people get the better life and the billion of their other countrymen are doomed to live in their home shithole? Stay and fix your own country), it's to balkanize the voter base, drive down wages, drive up housing costs, and pad GDP with consumption. If we have a high trust, high productivity country with high birthrates, why the FUCK would we want or need millions of shitskins in our country? >"Immigrants are here due to fascists who support open border capitalism"Fascists support diluting their racial and cultural composition, destroying their industry, and enriching rootless financial parasites? Yeah I guess that's why Hitler's first order of business was to mass import hordes of third world savages and make it even harder for native Germans to get a job. Lmao. Anyway, as stated, you're a retarded dumb fucking animal. Hopefully anyone else reading this can see why this specimen and all others like him are pathologically addicted to being brazen, civilizationally suicidal retards, and the only correct answer is to eliminate them all quickly.
>>538206363China and North Korea supporting nationalism has nothing to do with communism. It was something they did independently of Marxist dogma, because they just realized that ethno-nationalism was logical. That's why hardcore Marxist philosophers call them "revisionists" or "red fascists".
>>538206218That's why communism aims for international solidarity, and why the after the theoretical revolution, the transition from socialism (state controlled by workers) towards communism (no state) tends to be slow. It's why bigger projects like USSR and China has remained in the socialist phase indefinitely, and why so many smaller countries closer to actual communism were completely eradicated by outside forces like the US. A socialist country looking to transition to communism would benefit greatly of other countries in the same transitional phase to support each other. The famous communist idea of "international" (See. First Internation, Second International etc.) exists as a communist/socialist concept for this reason. Socialists and communists try to invoke and further class consciousness outside of their own countries for good reasons.
>>538206395another wall of text which is fully predicated on your "muh drive down the wages" bullshit, which is a lie you tell people to try to make mass immigration seem "optional" under capitalism. and it's directly false, because economies are driven by supply and demand, and more people = more demand. more people = more wages, more jobs, more consumers. and whenever this is pointed out to you, you just magically pretend not to understand it!!!! because none of you are even fucking real. and your racism is fake. and your purpose here is to confuse ordinary people into not knowing the nature of their problems, in order to ensure they can never fix them.capitalism requires immigration. -----------requires----------- it. not once more, "requires" it. understand? am i putting enough emphasis on it? and you're intentionally working to misinform the public on this fact, and it's because you're open borders capitalists on this board, who pretend to be racist in order to manipulate people into blaming anyone other than yourselves for your crime of open borders.
>>538206484You didn't answer my question. Do you want a global democracy where Indians completely nullify the vote of Finns?
>>538198288Tell that to the 4 giraffe species you retarded moron
>>538206532>>538206395>another wall of text which is fully predicated on your "muh drive down the wages" bullshit, which is a lie you tell people to try to make mass immigration seem "optional" under capitalism. and it's directly false, because economies are driven by supply and demand, and more people = more demand.>more people = more wages, more jobs, more consumers. and whenever this is pointed out to you, you just magically pretend not to understand it!!!! because none of you are even fucking real. and your racism is fake. and your purpose here is to confuse ordinary people into not knowing the nature of their problems, in order to ensure they can never fix them.>capitalism requires immigration. -----------requires----------- it. not once more, "requires" it. understand? am i putting enough emphasis on it? and you're intentionally working to misinform the public on this fact, and it's because you're open borders capitalists on this board, who pretend to be racist in order to manipulate people into blaming anyone other than yourselves for your crime of open borders.PS, and it confuses people because they -feel-, initially, that what you're posting is anti-immigration rhetoric. they understandably will feel "whoa, he's posting anti-immigration rhetoric, bout immigrants driving down wages!" but its not until they peel back the layers of the onion that the pernicious mindfuckery becomes apparent.
>>538199468>"and immigrants increase demand"Yeah for jobs, which is why jobs are hard to come by and wages are suppressed. When demand outpaces supply, shit is more expensive/harder to get. They also increase demand for housing, which is why housing is more expensive. Your understanding of economics here is so painfully retarded and completely inverted that for your sake I hope you're just trolling. But you are also a great example of why we need mass purges of dysgenic retards, or at the very very least to disenfranchise a massive portion of the population. Having retards like you voting and influencing our system in any way is a critical risk to civilizational stability.
>>538198734>all revolutions around the world were done by jewish peopleho chi minh?mao?thomas sankara?black panthers?central and south america revolutions were because of jews?you're retarded. liberation theology is christian
>>538205706They're not even better off. That's another reason why I think socialism in one country is bullshit. What the Chinese do is the equivalent of what Microsoft or any other IT company does when they bring 6 gorillion H1Bs when the CFO panicks because the company stocks plummeted 5% and the executive board is malding as their KPIs are in danger of being unfulfilled by EOY. Then again, two wrongs don't make one right. Also I see you asked if I consider Engels a commie (despite him being a bourgeois and owning a textile factory). He was, when he decided to use that textile factory to donate to the first international, to fund Marx into finishing, and publishing his work and helping fund workers unions. He did not engage in acts of "bourgeois" "socialism" where he tried to just alleviate suffering under capitalism (e.g. by donating to charity, or paying for a kids illness treatment). Of course, he could've democratized his textile factory, but that's another point (and not necessarily more effective at that time than the alternative which actually funded communist causes).About Hasan idk. I don't follow e-celebs. I suppose he might be a commie but I've heard he's pretty rich. Does he donate to a local communist cause or just LARP as a communist? Does he promote reformism or helps create the foundations for a genuine revolution? Idk. He may well be a grifter, he's family from cenk uyghu from that young Turks show iirc, that's what I know about him (and also a clip of him shocking his dog)
>>538206594lmfaoooooooooooo. oh, man. now another comment where you people pretend not to accept the basic economic laws of supply and demand. per usual. fuck, man, you people are priceless. you're trying to convince people immigrants don't create demand in the economy, because if people understood this, then they would be 1 major step closer to understanding why your capitalist economic policy does, and will always, require mass immigration in order to remain afloat. you fucking open borders mendacious prick.
>>538206651>black panthers?They were just niggers that wanted to kill whites, and never cared about class struggle at all
>>538206666>hat's another reason why I think socialism in one country is bullshit.So do you want a global democracy where 1.5 billion Indians get to vote on what Costa Rica does with its resources?
>>538197552bruh it's capitalism that creates refugeesthe entire reason central and south america are destabilized are because of CIA death squads, puppet dictatorships, economic hitmen and school of the americasit's literally because of capitalism. stop being a toolSchool of the Americashttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere_Institute_for_Security_Cooperationhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6KrjcLg7Y0
>>538206532I'll respond to this point again because it's so painfully retarded it needs to be dismantled even more than I already did. Your assertion here is that "immigrants increase demand", which you're not even specifying demand for what. But, you go on to say that more people = more wages (retarded grammar), more jobs, more consumers. The only thing you're right about here is more consumers. But consumption does not require higher wages, more jobs, or more productivity, it just requires money redirected into the hands of immigrants through welfare, gig jobs, and other garbage so they can spend it. Jobs, wages, housing, etc are all suppressed by the constrained supply. If your country has 10 jobs and brings in 100 people, they don't create 90 more jobs, those 100 people just compete for the 10 jobs and drive down wages. You're literally a fucking retard. Even your own leftist ideology talks about the reserve army of labour used by the capitalists you hate so much to suppress wages. You're basically arguing that immigration is a facet of evil capitalism yet then also saying immigrants benefit the system and create more jobs and better wages. You're a fucking retard. Possibly the dumbest excuse for a "human" I've ever had the displeasure of interacting with in any way. Hopefully you and everyone like you is systematically rooted out and exterminated one day.
>>538206703>wanted to kill whitesincorrect
>>538206736"oh, man. now another comment where you people pretend not to accept the basic economic laws of supply and demand. per usual. fuck, man, you people are priceless. you're trying to convince people immigrants don't create demand in the economy, because if people understood this, then they would be 1 major step closer to understanding why your capitalist economic policy does, and will always, require mass immigration in order to remain afloat. you fucking open borders mendacious prick."why the fuck won't you people just face basic facts? oh right, because you're professional propagandists, who have made this grift up where you can pretend you're anti-immigration, while indeed pushing for open borders.
>>538206703Why did the USSR support them?Everything the left does is anti-white.
>>538206801>>538206736>>538206674>>538206594PS why don't any of you want to accept immigration as necessary for capitalism? if you want to end the immigration, like you pretend, then you would want to fix the problem which causes it, which would be capitalism. but none of you here want to do that. hmmmmmm. very curious, for a board of people who pretend to be vehemently anti-immigrant, no?
>>538206818you're talking about liberals. liberals are not leftists
>>538206801Explain how more people in an economy with a stagnant or shrinking job market increases availability of jobs and increases wages.
>>538206290Brother you're genuinely autistic or mentally ill. Again, if you're not even reading my shit and throwing a hissy fit because you skim over a text and see "jew" then that's a you problem. Get some sleep or chill the fuck out lmao
>>538206866LMFAO. SUPPLY AND DEMAND. how the fuck, and why the fuck, are you people willfully pretending you don't understand the basic economic law of "supply and demand"?
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>>538206729People also flee Venezuela and Cuba because their economic systems are shitty. Browns in general create shitty countries compared to Whites or East-Asian, whether they're commie or capitalist. Vietnam is a shithole too despite not really having any embargos and sharing a border with China (massive trade partner).Also there are tons of communist terrorists like FARC that fuck things up for people.
>>538206784See, he cared more about fighting racism and evil whites, than class struggle. Niggers cannot be communists>>538206818>Why did our political rival wanted to destroy us by all meansAnd it shows how diversity will be exploited by your enemies against you
>>538206862Leftism's rejection of nationhood and borders is exactly why they're the useful idiots of the liberals and neoliberals they pretend to oppose. Your stupid infographic makes it abundantly clear that leftoids are retards who believe in open borders. Your nation is where your own people are raised, associate with one another, work together, and build together. Every single social species on Earth marks territory and defends it. Leftists are completely retarded on this issue and because it's such a big issue, it undermines absolutely everything else they think and do, regardless of whether they're even right about anything.
>>538206870why don't you just quit pushing your bullshit antisemitism, and then whining "nuh uh, im not a nazi, wah wah!" afterwards? don't you have any concept of how fucking pathetic that was?
>>538206420Total Marxism is only possible when all other countries also become Marxist. Real communism is anti globalization of the capitalists and impearilists. This immigration and refugee crisis is the product of capitalists. In Marxism there will be no economic migration because all communities and nations get to use their resources without being exploited by imperialists. Trades and market will be fair and nations will collaborate with each other.
>>538197790>Borders are open for the affluent but not for everyone elseNigger, what? There's been around 40 million illegals into the US since the 70's. Not to mention the legal browns. In what fucking world are the borders not open for everyone else?
>>53820686290% of Western leftists have the same social values as liberals. Marxist dialectics inevitably lead to whites being labeled as "evil imperialists" who deserve punishment. It's baked into the ideology at the core level.Like I said earlier ITT, name a Western communist party that wants closed borders.
>>538206901>hurr durr, the economies with embargos on them by groups of capitalist countries are shittypat yourself on the backhttps://en.baochinhphu.vn/viet-nams-major-achievements-over-last-80-years-111250909095945003.htm
>>538197552>supportingDo they though?
>>538206949The retard's infographic literally states that leftism rejects nationhood which is the keystone issue with liberalism and neoliberalism. Rootless internationalism is 100% the cause of every single one of our problems and these retards blindly support it, instantly making themselves the useful idiots of the people they pretend to oppose. It's too bad they're so fucking retarded they can't ever see it. But we all know they reject nationhood because they don't like the idea that they belong to a group with distinct identity and expectations; they love the idea of being a formless, amorphous blob of individuals who parasitize the "collective" endlessly.
>>538206928>internationalism means the same as destroying your own countrydipshit, if the capitalist countries weren't destroying other poor countries, there would be no fucking immigrants.white people would never have left europe if conditions under monarchies weren't garbage already.you literally can't fathom a world where you're wrong about how retarded capitalism is
>>538206930>In Marxism there will be no economic migration because all communities and nations get to use their resourcesWhat magical force is stopping the "global Marxist state" which includes Indians from voting to take all of Nepal's resources because there's more of them and they need it more? You guys are thinking from A to B, but not from B to C, lol.
>>538206930This is the best take i've seen in this thread
>>538197928>Capitalism creates mass immigration and *needs* mass immigration.That's just flat out not true. It creates a desire for cheaper production, and increasing consumption, which results in mass immigration.Me selling a product I made to my neighbour, is capitalism. I don't need to flood the neighbourhood with Africans because of that.
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>>538207002Yeah, It's strongly against my interest as a white man to not support an ethno-state. That's why I can't get through to leftoids. Also notice how there's a beaner and a Nepal chink arguing for communism ITT - because communism is for irrelevant brown countries.
>>538207013Every organized human band from stone age tribes to the Roman Empire to modern western capitalist countries have invaded, destroyed, and plundered other groups of people. That's the inevitable reality of living in a world where resources are not evenly spread across the entire planet. The modern notion that fucked over poorfags must then flood the "conquering" countries is completely retarded and unprecedented. Japan is capitalist and has basically zero immigration. Your entire argument is worthless faggotry.
pointless thread here, full of racegrifters, who are not racist themselves, but are using racism as a tool, to remain in power. while concurrently opening the borders for capitalism, which is the only thing which they actually care for.
>>538207036history of the CIA, puppet dictatorships, economic hitmen and school of the americas proves you dead wrong
this is the entire story of /pol/, miga, and fascism everywhere, too >>538207101.
>>538207084>Japan is capitalist and has basically zero immigration
>>538206713>So do you want a global democracy where 1.5 billion Indians get to vote on what Costa Rica does with its resources?lol no and that's still retarded and bureaucratic. No marxist movement advocates for global democracy, not even the most insane trotskyist would propose that. What is actually promoted is internationalism, and local democratic decision taking; that implies federation-building, regional council-building and actually gathering information of the material reality in Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Chile, china, India or whatever bumfuck region is out there, for people living in those regions to manage their resources, democratically. Whether that's implementable nowadays well idk, it probably is more achievable if you consider ERPs already do 50% of that job in massive super market chains, ironically. The last 50% is making those systems more democratic and transparent to gauge resource availability and plan better.
>>538207084roman empire fell from inner corruption because the praetorian guard had Rome up for auction on the regular. look at the list of assassinationscapitalists get wrecked if they try to talk about history.the right wing mind was shattered by charles darwin, karl marx and abraham lincoln, and it will never recover
>>538207139Japan has immigration to the extent that liberals and leftists in the government allow/demand it. If the nationalists chuds won a supermajority, it would get outlawed.
>>538207068You'll never get through to leftoids about anything because they're retarded people. There isn't a single leftist on the planet who actually understands anything about human nature or reality.
>>538206930Correct
>>538207164Nice non-sequitur. Can we skip the part where I pretend its fruitful to keep talking to a mindless mongrel and just kill you already?
>>538207181mutual aid is a factor of evolution. humans are successful specifically because they communicate and cooperate, not because of greed. you just got wasted by human evolution.
>>538207154Internationalism inherently involves surrendering local authority. You will get outvoted by Indians.
>>538206553What I want does not include voting
>>538207084>Japan is capitalist and has basically zero immigration.?????????????????????
>>538207213>brings up rome>jimmies rustled when response is about romeyou don't even know what a non sequitur is, leaf
>>538207214Mutual aid within a tribe*. Conveniently left that part out didn't you? Fucking retard. Stone age tribes literally killed more of each other per capita in territorial wars than we do now. Fighting over resources and territories as part of competing tribes is the cornerstone of our specie's entire history. You're literally on your computer arguing this retarded point because your ancestors pillaged, plundered, and built shit with the excess resources. You couldn't be more stupid if you held your breath for 20 minutes.
>>538207221You will still have to vote in a "worker's commune" or a "direct democracy", even if there's no bureaucratic officials in charge. Direct democracy = Indians have more global power than like half of Europe, kek.
>>538207243>Briefly mentions Rome in a post talking about the entirety of human history>A retard thinks I want to get sidetracked into the specifics of the late Empire's collapseWill I ever get to live a life free of retarded humans? I just really wish I could kill every last one of you mongrels with my bare hands.
>>538207179Japan would be way fucked if nationalists won. They would promise a lot of things to native workers, but not deliver any, except opressing said native workers further, help the class enemies get richer, while migrants are still used as slave labor
>>538207215You're conflating internationalism with supranationalism. Internationalism is used in the sense to promote class solidarity, across borders.
We won the Clash of Civilizations. Go cry with the NatSocs about how unfair it is.>WEEEELLLL THIS IS HOW YOU GOT OPEN BORDERS LIBERALISM SO HOW IS THAT A WIN HUH CHUDDIE HUH HUH HUH ????Every single Allied leader has been condemned by liberals as being a frothing racist no better than Nazis in academia. All of them had paternalistic, pro-white views on things.The USSR was literally planning to arm Blacks to revolt against the United States and initiate an anti-white revolution Haiti style and butcher us all and take our shit. That's the only reason paternalist gradualism became a thing in the United States.>"fuck we can't get rid of all the niggers">"fuck it desegregate that'll shut them up">"we'll keep policies in place that keep them in check"Then what happened was the Commies the anons in this thread kept arguing ad nauseum and flaming ethnic tensions so they can have a Revolution here>read: genocide white people and take their stuff, because they are the ones producing value and own landCommunism in the American context is always and will always hate White people. It is inemic to your worldview.This is why no Based White American wants Communism here. You've shown us what it means:>"kill all white people and give their stuff to niggers"Nobody worth keeping alive is going to have that for an ideology.
>>538207359>Nepalese are class traitors who horde their mountain resources>source: 400 million Indians agreeBoom, you're fucked.
>>538207351That's what liberals do, retard. Actual nationalists wouldn't do that because they are nationalist, and doing what you just said is anti-nationalist. This would be like me saying, "if communists won they'd actually privately own the means of production".
>>538207351They would be fucked either way. Liberals would try to band-aid a structural problem, and nationalists would be retarded enough to ignore it initially, and then get hit by reality when their aging country needs immigrants to sustain its Ponzi scheme economy.
>>538207445Crazy how every human civilization throughout all of history managed to sustain its own population through native fertility but now all of a sudden immigrants are required. Must be some weird reason why native citizens can't just have sex and create babies anymore.
>>538207325>Direct democracy = Indians have more global power than like half of EuropeAll the more reason to try and support them in achieving the same class consciousness
>>538207424This, lol.What commies can't seem to comprehend is that I want (((Larry Fink))) executed on national TV. I don't have a special loyalty to him just because he's capitalist. However commies, want me to love a stinking jeet just because he's poor.
>>538207409Don't let them fool anyone. Communism is now and always will be an Anti-White Ideology. They know exactly what they are doing. They're taking advantaage of the collapse of the Populist Right thanks to MIGA to try and get desperate people to support them for a better life.Which I know (((Communists))) were behind, too.
>>538207481You're completely delusional bro, what can I say?
>>538207487>I don't have a special loyalty to him just because he's capitalist.Commies don't think you would. The assumption is that every capitalist is willing to backstab anyone for profit, including other capitalists
>>538207487Commoids also never even talk about rootless international finance. They focus on local elites, like the remnants of the entrepeneur or industrial capitalist groups that at least contributed in some ways to developing local industries and communities. Communists are at their heart a civic autoimmune disorder whose sole purpose is to use lofty ideals and flowery, intellectual sounding language to dismantle and destroy whatever nation they're infesting. When you few leftists of all flavours as a civilizational form of AIDS, all becomes instantly clear.
>>538207409That's a ridiculous hypothetical and you're not countering any of my points with those non sequiturs lmao.
>>538207560Is Hasan Piker gonna stop supporting communism one day because he reaches a tipping point of wealth accumulation that magically makes him transform into a capitalist-type human?
>>538207424Look at Hitler, he promised he would protect the german worker against world jewry, but they were the first to be thrown to concentration camps, all their rights got slashed in favor of big industrialists>>538207445That's what i said. Even your right wing nationalist grifters in Japan never talk about how to improve the lives of the workers, how to help increase birthrates, or end that horrible working culture they havehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH1_px17utk
>>538207529Hey, Im just explaining what commies believe in. It's a lot more complicated and I know it's the last thing you'd do, but to understand it in a way that actually makes sense one should really read theory
>>538207560Nationalists/fascists aren't "capitalists" when in power, they rule the capitalists. They allow industrialists some leeway if their actions align with national interests. If someone wants to get rich building mega infrastructure and providing millions of jobs to native citizens, be my guest. Nationalism is very easy to understand; if this action supports the nation, it's allowed, if it's not, it's disallowed. Anything is possible within that framework; capitalist businesses, nationalization, mixes of both etc. The only thing prohibited is something that undermines the health of the nation and its legitimate citizenry. So if a leftoid welfare sponge wants to sit around playing video games while other people work, he gets the rope. If some rich international financier wants to make billions through rent seeking or landlordism, he gets the rope. All parasites of all forms die.
>>538207475>Crazy how every human civilization throughout all of history managed to sustain its own population through nativeAnd its crazy this all started happening the moment industrial capitalism became a global phenomenon (<300 years ago).
>>538207582It's a simplified version of my general point. Maximizing democracy and globalization (communism's end goal) will inherently lead to small nation states like Nepal and Finland being swallowed-up by global demand. It's just imperialism via direct democracy. You can theorycel about it being not what you want, but the inevitable freight train of the dialectic-as-praxis commies create will still lead to it.Ig you were actually self-interested you would support ethno-nationalism, but the majority of leftoids call you "racist" and ostracize you for that.
>>538207610Well, that's just retardedly not true. He through enemies of the state like jews, communists, and subversives into the camps. Regular German workers got gainful employment, started having more kids, and got benefits like the work through joy program. Hitler definitely worked people hard and suppressed wages with controls, but that was due to the mobilization efforts. Industrialists weren't profiting massively, they were contributing to the war effort. Hitler wanted to win the war against USSR and expand Germany, you think he'd let a bunch of rootless capitalist elites get rich while parasitizing the German working class and subtracting from the mobilization efforts? Zero chance.
