Why didn't Adolf attack Moscow?Was he fucking retarded?
>>538219138What's important about Moscow here
>>538219138Invading Russia was the retard move. Why not have just finished England off and called it there?
>>538219138To en circle and cut off the oil the oil fields. I'm military strategist ask me anything.
>>538219138Because he needed oilThe crazy thing about studying WW2 is realizing that almost all of Hitler's strategic choices were correct, the war was just too stacked against them once USA started lend-leasing equipment to Russia
>>538219138Hitler attacked Russia because he was fucking retarded. Eurotrash are constantly paranoid about threats from the East, I have no idea why. Just ban circumcision and your nation will be a good one.
>>538219324The war to save Joseph Stalin
Wasn't it because he wanted to cut off supply lines from Iran?
>>538219138Calling Finnish reconquista German advance is like calling the camps Polish
>>538219239The English are practically Germans (where do you think ango-saxons came from?), that's why he hesitated fighting them.
>>538219364Low IQ zigger
>>538219239A war between Germany and USSR was inevitable. He wanted to blitzkrieg them out ASAP like he had the rest of Europe before they rearmed out of his reach. He probably would have gotten away with it had Italy not chimped out in Greece and North Africa needing German military bail outs, wasting key time, man power and resources.
>>538219138He should have finished Britain off first after Dunkirk, then invaded Russia. No island left to stage an invasion. The yanks would fall after Russia was defeated.
>>538219576Ban circumcision or rot in hell.
>>538219138Because Hitler was 100% retarded and wanted to paint the map instead of win the fucking war.Forget army group North, Forget army group center. Send every-fucking-thing South to get the oil or you will lose the war. Only then you can go dick in the north and center.
>>538219618The German navy was no match for the royal navy and other remnants of conquered countries which fled / exiled to the UK. It still would have been a lengthy and protracted war which costed too much time. Every day Germany fought against anybody other than the USSR, it grew weaker as the latter grew stronger, making the master plan unachieveable, or even risking an invasion by the USSR itself.
>>538219138his jewish masters told him to stop before actually achieving anything that would be hard to reverse.
>>538219138because his army died in smolensk
>>538219138He did and failed
>>538219138That wasn't the furthest advance. >>538219224Contrary to what TIK will tell you, it was the logistics and transport hub for the entire USSR. It would still be a crucial objective beyond Baku's oil fields.>>538219239War was only a matter of time, and he thought he could shatter the English war support by taking out USSR.
>>538219611it was the nips, the signed a non aggression pact with Stalin which freed the Siberian troops to redeploy to the defense of Moscow and Soviet winter 1941 counter offensive. Never trust a zipper head
>>538219324>lend lease saved Russia myth Moscow’s factories were up and running long before lend-lease Hitler’s strategic choices were blunder after blunder Fortress doctrine was abysmal and costed the wermacht millions of lives German logistics was not in the majority mechanized, it was heavily horse and mule One of the dumbest mistakes Hitler made though was believing the Allies would attack Calais for beach landings Hitler’s pride and ambition was his downfallThe Germans suffered their worst defeats in the East
>>538219867>Contrary to what TIKWhat's up with the guy anyway? Did he die?
>>538219324>The crazy thing about studying WW2 is realizing that almost all of Hitler's strategic choices were correctOKW and OKH had to dance around him to get their points acrossnobody is perfectthe greatest danger, being alone at the absolute top of a hierarchy, is becoming delusionalhitler may have won WW2, if he only had held back, and let the country be ruled by comitee, only exerting his absolute power if absolutely necessarybut like most humans, even the extraordinary ones, he couldnt help himself
>>538219364> Hitler attacked Russia because he was fucking retarded.This. His greatest blunder.
>>538219502shalom rabbi
>>538219618There was no feasible way to actually pull off Sealion at the time.Battle of Britain was retarded since Germany lost too many good pilots. The Halt Order should never have been given to inflict higher casualties on the British Expeditionary Force in France. Hitler should have done everything possible to get Mussolini to attack Malta early during the war to fuck British supply lines in North Africa This way the Axis had a very good chance at taking North Africa which could have led to an armistice with Britain and a more cohesive force for invading the Soviet Union.
>>538219867What's tik?
>>538219224Logistics, infrastructure, industrial hub. Also imagine arranging a state funeral for Lenin, putting him in the ground.Soviet supply lines were stretched wafer thin until Kursk. Soviet trucks were utter garbage and russkis would trade anything for a yank or at least limey lorry. They had nothing but praise for the lend-lease trucks.Hitler had bled russia dry if it wasn't for those trucks coming from Murmansk.
>>538219239He lost to England. Couldn't take them, UK also got countless lend lease. About x15 more compared to ussr.And Stalin, because of listening to Germans, just killed most of commie activists (few millions) and almost all army command. Since they was anti Germans or was spies, it was complicated. H-tler plan was simple, idk why no one talks about it. His whole plan>Romanoffs were Germans, that means we're a true kings and queens, YESSSS>AFTER WE CAPTURE THEM, EVERYONE WILL GET A SLAVES!!! YESSS!!!Did you know? Ekaterina2 gifted countless rus as slaves to any German who moved in ru emp. After losing to UK, he planned to capture ussr, turn in ru empire 2.0 (aka current russia) and prepare to fight against uk and usa again, but later. Overall, German troops were awful. After 41-42, uk and usa send their own advisers to soviets. It was basically like current Ukraine.
>>538219618You retards still don't understand how difficult it is to plan an invasion over water. You are sending many men to their deaths without water and air superiority and properly established supply lines and even all that, it is still brutally hard. DDay only succeeded because the Soviets destroyed the majority of the Wehrmacht and even then the practice DDay failed because one German ship spotted it and killed thousands of men solely practicing.
>>538219870Japanese and Russians clashed in 1939 already, they hoped for German help but Hitler just signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement, which felt like a betrayal to the Japanese, so they just said fuck you and hoped for the Russians not to meddle in their east asian expansion.
>>538219324>once USA started lend-leasing equipmentMost of them come in 43-44 and didn't really caused changes. Germany lost to ussr in 41-42. Like, boots and buttons are cool and everything, but it can't change anything. Sure, aircrafts were cool. But not game changer. Ussr used their own aircrafts and tanks.
>>538219364he attacked because he wanted to setup a German colonial empire in eastern Europe, modeled on American manifest destiny
>>538220659>Most of them come in 43-44 and didn't really caused changes. Germany lost to ussr in 41-42.trucks were important in the late war Soviet advances but yeah war became stalemate at best I think in December 41
>>538219138>Why didn't Adolf attack Moscow?He did but failed to encircle it. They could literally see the towers of Kremlin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Moscow
Oh yeah. Killing everyone who surrender to Germans was most idiotic thing Germans did. Like, you got countless anti commies in ussr, who helped you in 41. Few millions soldiers surrendered since they hated commies. What you gonna do with them? Germans literally killed them all by starving and torturing. >They lacked foodFalse. They had enough food. Germans also massacred countless civilians, but ussr never talked about it. Also, did you know? Germans were "rebuilding churches", forced people to be Christians and killed them all. Ussr never talked about it, but Germans proudly talked. So is witness. Atheists was spared, commies was hiding, only Christians trusted Germans and were killed by them. Germans are literally animals. Chinese tier.
>>538219324>Because he needed oilhe could have easily got oil by going south to azerbaijan. it was just all retarded, prolly jewish tricks.
>>538219138Why didn't jewdolf develop the atom bomb? Was he stupid?
>>538219324I don't think Hitler was the fool everyone thinks he is. I feel and read he won in alternate timelimes where the japanese invade form the east so the invasion of the USSR makes sense. With lend lease cut off the Russians starve. It made more strategic sense to invade with japan. https://share.google/F4IwtWtqhZbviKInY
>>538219138The army group tasked for Moscow was diverted to Stalingrad, because as important as taking Moscow would have been, the primary motivation for Operation Barbarrosa was securing the Caucasus oil fields, and Stalingrad was the gateway to those fields.
>>538219870Their fucking allies betrayed them. Shitler should've warned the nips of the plan ahead instead of doing something stupid like that. In the original reality they cooperate and win the war. THIS is the alternate reality. This isn't even supposed to exist but as a bad joke imo.
>>538219138The Soviets had already relocated their industrial base beyond the Urals and the Siberian reserves still existed, regardless of whether they had taken Moscow. Once the German Army takes Moscow and Stalin relocates, what next? They are now occupying a city without a functioning water or food system, thousands of miles from their bases in Poland, with railways that don't use German gauges, and dwindling supplies. The likely result is Festung Moskau becomes the Moskau Kessel - like Stalingrad. The irony is, in real life, it was only Hitler's intervention that stopped a total rout outside Moscow. His generals were not geniuses and had largely outlived their used-by date after the Fall of France. The irony of course is Hitler's logic made more strategic sense: annihilate the Soviet armies in the field in massive pincer movements instead of focusing on Moscow itself. In the end, none of this matters, because it was a failed venture from the start due to Nazi ideology.
>>538219239Literally tried and the Luftwaffe failed in 1940 and that was against a hastily drawn together force. By 41 and 42 the RAF were much bigger and RAF bomber command could even go on the offensive by 42.
I've always wondered why this worldline was obsessed with ww2 Hitler and I have figured out why. If the Nazis had won I doubt they would have had a hard on for ww2 era which leads me to one conclusion: the axis did win ww2 in the original realities which is why there's so many what ifs.https://share.google/F4IwtWtqhZbviKInY
>>538220693And to make Germany Europe strong against any enemies.
>>538221305>myth of lend lease saved the Soviets x2Hitler was a fucking moron when it came to the eastern front Germans practically became canonfodder by 1943
>>538221684The Germans actually fought some impressive fighting retreats on the Eastern Front in 1943 and 1944. Operation Buffel and the Kamenets-Podolsky Pocket being two such examples where they mounted such well-calibrated counter attacks it threw the Soviets off balance, if only briefly/
>>538221549RAF was also much more efficient, not only bigger, and operated more closely to their own airbases (your planes had more time in the air than the German ones). You had greater radar coverage and had an effective air command, Germans never had any chance to take down the RAF.
>>538219239>Invading Russia was the retard moveyeah, everyone knew that american liberalism was the real enemy all along. but hitler was a rothschilds tool that derailed the entire movement.
>>538219138He was high on his own farts and thought he knew better
>>538219138Hitler was hopped up on so many drugs that his paranoia got the best of them and he executed all of his most intelligent generals and tried to run the whole shit show himself. So yes, he was pretty fucking retarded. He should never have attacked the Soviet Union until he was done with the British Empire.
>>538219138Barbarossa was the gamble for Moscow but Mussolini sperged and wanted Greece so Adolf had to shift much needed forces for Greece and Balkans, when Barbarossa failed they shifted to fall blau which was to secure a flank for the invasion of Caucasus for the Soviet oil fields.Barbarossa was about taking Moscow with their limited oil reserves, Stalingrad got left to hang to give army group south a chance to evacuate from Caucasus via crimea, all his actions where sound when taking the strategic situation into consideration.Holocaust didn't happen you don't waste your already limited logistics to brings Jews west just to kill them, anyone on traincarts moving west had a economic reason in way of labour, Takes 2 hours to cremate a body in a modern gas fuelled crematorium with directional gas torches you don't get a better effect with petroleum coke of of which takes 30-50kg to incinerate a human carcass and certainly not faster if you stack bodies.The mass death in camps came from tyfus, starvation and thirst in the late days of the war due to infrastructure getting bombed.Germany had no duty to release political prisoners or prisoners of war no matter how bad it went for them.https://pvnk.code.blog/2024/10/02/holocaust-on-trial/
>>538220000Sadly He got super burned out by the Stalingrad series so he is resting, who knows if he will ever return
>>538221815By wasting millions of defenders who could have been pulled back to more suitable positions
>>538222053He should do Normandy next, liked his North Africa stuff.Much more interesting watching the western powers do war.
>>538221549It really doesn't matter. UK was hiding on its island unable to do anything without foreign intervention. Pretend Russia and U.S. never got involved, when was UK going to beat Germany hard enough to end the war on favorable terms for it?
>>538222053>I don't want money I find it le hardSounds socialist to me, TIK.
>>538222179Without the Soviets, the Germans would have steamrolled Africa
>>538222008The only way attacking them made any sense was if japan kept pushing Siberia. Two front war they lose.
>>538222222>digitsFuck.
>>538219138Hitler was correct in that taking the Baku oilfields and Stalingrad was more important than taking Moscow, especially since the cities leadership and much of its industry had already evacuated East.
>>538222008Who did he execute?>>538222154Which positions are you referring to?
>>538222176>Much more interesting watching the western powers do war.Genuinely, I am not a sucker of the east, but why?The way the west did operation was amass bigger quantity of men and equipment in a well supplied zone and throw firepower at the enemy. That's it. That's especially how Americans fought. There have been little dangerous or daring maneuvers. Mostly because they didn't need them.
>>538219535He respected them as fellow "aryans" although that term is retarded. A better one would be a fellow germanic group. You're correct, though. I think he initially assumed the Anglos would stay on mostly mutual terms as he admired the British empires structure and thought they would stay out of continental wars, but that obviously wasn't the case. Anglos became a massive inconvenience for Hitler, which obviously frustrated his plans. They selectively rebranded other Europeans as quasi-kindred when it suited their politics, then treated them as enemies when it didn’t.Then Russia and later USA getting involved just made everything impossible.
>>538219239Correct. He has a non-aggression pact with Stalin. If he’d focused all his efforts in the west than they would have eventually won the war or at least secured a favorable peace. Britian alone could not face Germany.
>>538222436Odessa, Kursk, Stalingrad, Sevastopol, Minsk, Kiev, Courland pocket cut-offSoviets let the Polish and Germans slaughter each other Soviets even used some timeout in 44 to go spank finlandThe Balkans though was probably the most harsh retreat other than Galicia Partisans constantly shooting you from behind Soviet steamroller approaching fast No gas, an army in despair
>>538222471I liked the north Africa campaigns, seeing British view and who did what and Germans moving forward on shoestring budget and enemy fuel.Eastern front is all meat grinder I'm not too fond of that, same reason I ignore Ukraine/Russia war, it's frustrating to watch.
>>538222179Hindsight is 20/20. The UK had nothing but time before Germany got itself into deep water with the soviets or the US, that's the volatile nature of Nazi Germany.Also its extremely unwise to imagine a scenario were Germany never invaded the USSR, Nazi culture, doctrine, ideology, whatever you want to call it was predicated on being anathema to communism and having territorial ambitions in the east.What Britain did was keep Malta, North Africa and the home isles free of occupation which gave the allies the opportunities to strategically bomb and ultimately invade occupied territories.
>>538219138Hitler scared the piss out of Stalin - he was waiting for europe to exhaust itself and then he was going to move in and Hitler knew it. What he DIDN'T know was that the German high command had been working with Russia, before he came to power and had showed them how to build efficient assembly lines and upgraded tanks. He also forgot the same thing that Napoleon forgot - you don't fuck around with Russian winters.
>>538219239Both russia and germany knew the NAP was bullshit and that they were going to fight soon enough. Russia just thought it'd be a couple years later than it was. Germany had to attack early while Russia was still weakened and not prepared. If Germany focused all its attention on Britain after locking down europe, and somehow actually started defeating them, Russia would've swooped in and cucked Germany. But that's besides the point because there was simply no way for Germany to "beat" Britain. They could just hole up on their shitty rainy island and Germany was never ever going to be able to do shit about them
>>538222814I meant to ask what positions you meant where more suitable?He sacrificed some to reinforce holes in the line or retreat other more mobile forces, remember the abysmal fuel situation.
>>538222885North Africa and western front are easier to follow. Because they were smaller in scope (though very useful to the overall war effort and USSR could not win alone, just like how Britain wouldn't stand alone without US aid, WWII was a team effort). So I understand where you are coming from.Eastern front was a merciless meat grinder from the start because while we are more merciless in the east in the first place, Germans simply set the precedent. But eastern front was not a static meatgrinder like Russo-Ukrainian war. The front is more static now than WW1 was.
>>538219138Because I ordered him not to.
>>538219249*no one asks anything*
>>538219870The japs got their shit pushed in by the soviets during the border skirmishes in mongolia. They had to do an NAP
>>538219138you shit eating freak of nature, its Russian federation. Modern Russia starts at Poland and Romanian borders
>>538223028Honestly, had the Germans pulled out of the Russian nations Russia, the Ukraine, Belarus Regroup army group south to bolster defenses of the Balkans and Bessarabia while retreating from the Baltics to cover Poland…They could have lasted longer, but to say they’d have victory is far from truth The Germans already were dealing with worsening partisan activity across the Balkans, Greece, and Poland And now with western Allies moving up through Italy and their ally finland about to be knocked out with surrender to Soviet demands…Hitler’s Third Reich was condemned to its fate no matter what the moment Operation Barbarossa was commenced But furthermore than that, Hitler did not treat his fascist Allies with any respect opting for retarded puppet governments that followed the most absurd Nazi science for eugenics
>>538219138something to do with picrel probably
>>538219324Hitler's choices were based on pure fantasies and therefore incorrect. He thought they'd just drive straight to Moscow before Christmas and refuel casually from Caucasus on the way, disregarding the distances, terrain, weather, resistance, intelligence reports, army opinions, and everything. 100% delusional
>>538223256They only controlled the towns of the Balkans due to terrain favored partisans who where richly supplied by both allied powers, the Balkans was a holey cheese slice of control where Germans controlled the holes, Romania switched sides the second Russians reached their borders and slaughtered the Germans who was there to help defend it, Hitler was aware of how flimsy his allies where remember he sent skorzeny to kidnap Hungarian political elites families to keep them loyal, and Germany's only allied oil field was in Romania, keeping it away from allied air powers reach was critical.It's not always black and white, this "crazed drug addict" had more overview than any of us arguing over it on a hentai forum .
>>538223670Partisans weren't richly supplied, in fact Chetniks half-cooperated with the Germans way more than the partisans did because of how unwilling and incapable the allies were, so Chetniks in their anti-German royalist struggle could only get weapons from the.. wait for it.. Germans, but they were fighting it out with the partisans as much as the Germans, that was the German plan. Partisans captured a weapon factory from the get go and they did enjoy higher communist support but nobody was swimming in rich allied donations.
>>538219324The amount of meme flags responding to you gives me the impression you hit the nail on the coffin. Hitler’s only mistakes were his choice in allies (i.e. Italy) and that Britain wouldn’t be willing to literally self destruct just to stop German domination of Europe.
>>538223670Yet in the end the Fuhrer did not even understand the Soviet internal political environment and assumed the Bolsheviks were coming to rape the Fatherland any day
The Bolsheviks who had been dead and out of power for over a decade
>>538219138baku and its oil fields was more. important
>>538219138He was too week. His little band of faggots were toi stupid and cowardly and no match for Stalin's Ubergods.
>>538223338This. Hitler was a Rotschild double agent, ordered to destroy Germany and create Israel
>>538225101>ordered to destroy GermanyNot only Germany but cripple Europe so zog could arise more strongly with no opposition. He did the same shit that the freemason napoleon did in Russia.
>>538224273Like I said earlier, Barbarossa was a gamble, they didn't have fuel reserves for much else except a mad dash at Moscow, that's why they shifted southward towards Caucasus to get to the oil fields when it looked like Moscow wouldn't break, Stalingrad was a flank.Hitler underestimated soviets yes but so would you if you lived in the 30s they didn't even know about the t34 until they where balls deep the T26 was considered the best tank in the world in 1938, if you had a spanking new tank army comprised of pz3s and pz4s you would also be vounerable to the hubris of technology.
>>538225101All politics and religion is connected at the top. Advance in Islam in a third world country it takes you to the Sufi order in town, advance there it takes you to Freemasonry. Perennialism.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9Bme9IUjgQ
>>538219324> Noooo you don't understand, Germany would have lost millions of men invading England > Proceed to loose millions of men anywayTotal Anglo Death
>>538224126> Italy Italy did the best it could. Germans were retarded and decided to send 50 times more troops on the eastern front than on the Mediterranean theatre. Had they helped Italy early on, they could have taken Suez, Malta and Cyprus before Barbarossa effectively cutting the British Empire in half. But no, smart Germans decided to drag Italy into a war against the British Empire, Franch, the Soviet Union and the United States while also wasting everything against pidors. Lmao
>>538226100Jewdolf didnts capture or kill the Dunkirk party. Fucker was on the payroll of the British monarchy.
>>538222963>you don't fuck around with Russian winters.Except Hitler didn't attack in the fucking winter much like Napoleon. They attacked during summer. Hitler started preparing for Barbarossa in Feb 1941 and was going to attack in May as soon as the grounds hardened and floods stopped but had to delay his attack for another month for ideal weather conditions and because of the Yugoslavian and Greek invasions. Finland and Romania also needed additional prep time and everyone thought they had enough time to reach Moscow by September way before the winter began. Nobody was counting on Soviets doing last stands to buy the defensive lines of Leningrad-Moscow-Stalingrad enough time for fortifications which is why their causalities were so high. Soviets literally played for time and won because of it but even if they lost Leningrad, Stalingrad and Moscow, would have just moved to the Urals and repeated the same tactics. Germany supply lines were too stretched. Berlin to Moscow is something like 1000 miles and with WW2 transport tech, that will take a while. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
>>538219138because army group centre ran out of fuel
>>538219239Because Yidler was Jewish.
>>538219138https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_MoscowThis is probably bait, but if it's not I think the only retard is you, OP.
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