This nigga never really refuted Eastern Emanation in any meaningful way other than>The Trinity is better because I said so and Ibn Sina is a Poopy pants The way TradCaths dickride him for that "refutation" is wild
There's only God's Force which is intermediary between God himself & everything which he creates/has created though forces of rebellion exist. Trinity is cope for a Roman Pagan Concept in violation of the First Commandment.
>>538227638Trinity is a basterdaization of the neo platonic emanation system. It took that beautiful hierarchy and made it an equal trinity to spoon feed the goy masses.
>>538227746Nietzsche arguably said it the bestThe Trinity is simply Plato for the Masses
>tf>tpaha
>>538227807It's not Plato for the masses. Nytsche was a faggot. It took Plato and turned him 180 and shoved a dildo up his ass.
>>538227746Correct. I do struggle with the notion however that the Nous & the Psyche are distinct. Seems too indistinct to be separate categories.
>>538228024>Nous Pretty weird to see this typed out when I mostly hear religious people say it in regards to Al Hakim
>>538228024Nous is above all and only under God. Psyche is a lower force.
>>538227932If anything God worked through his Son via the Holy Spirit, like Arianism but more nuanced.
>>538228121Yes, in that period of time. He sent others in other times.
>>538228110I disagree I think really the Psyche is the interaction of God's Mind (Intellect) and the Matter he created, the dualism isn't within God but ourselves and every thinking being. If anything it's the state of Israel in the etymological sense.
>>538228356I agree. But still psyche is in a lower state than God and Nous, God is above all, detached from all, needs no one. Nous is his first emanation and then the rest as you describe. It was that fag st augustine (a nafri) that mutilated this beautiful schema.
>>538228121The Holy Spirit is the Shekinah, problem is that before Romans tried to solve This, nobody ever really suggested that God and The Shekinah were separate things, it was agreed upon by Judaism and Hanafah Abrahamists and Samaritans and whoever else that they were the same thing At most you can argue that the Mandeans(who are Jewish) expanded on the Shekinah, but Christians are really thin skinned about admitting that Mandeans influenced Christianity
>>538228240Absolutely from Abraham to others after.
>god isn't conscious Wat, did you read the book
>>538228477>ShekinahIf you use this jew crap to talk about the Druze religion ever again I'll hunt you down and rape you you dumb faggot.>>538228484Abraham was reincarnation of the devil.
>>538228569When did I say that nigger, The Shekinah isn't a part of our religion, but it's part of Christianity , I learned about the Shekinah while memorising the Hebrew Dictionary on Pealim.com
>>538228837OK I'm sorry you're right. Jews talking about metaphysics is always hilarious to me. These people can't understand spirituality at all.
>>538227450thomas aquinas did nothing wrong
>>538228923All Ahl Al Dahr are like that thoWhich isn't a wonder when you remember they all worship الضد
>>538227450in bulgaria, the gnostics were known as bogomilsthey were expelled, because they mocked the god of the physical world, by having gay sexin france they were known as the cathars, and were crusaded againstin england, they were the origin of the term buggery / sodomy, in reference to their bulgarian roots trinity in the Old Testament - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvE5E9BImE4- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp92-3aBL-A- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CBh8lmgecs
>>538227807>how is the trinity one god and not threebecause that's what makes sense when you read the bible. that there is only one god, and that he appears as three persons. here are some examples to help you wrap your head around it.>modalisma computer programmer (the father) makes a game via code (the spirit), and selects an avatar to play as (the son).you can see how he can die, while still being alive.>partialismstarfish and octopuses have neural networks in their limbs, essentially giving them independent brains.you can see how even though it's one organism, the three can hold a conversation with themselves.both modalism and partialism are considered heresies, because they do not fully represent the greatness of god.all analogies break down eventually, as god is like nothing else in creation>"To whom will you liken Me, and make Me equal and compare Me, that we should be alike"- Isaiah 46:5there are writers like Augustine of Hippo and Thomas Aquinas that you can look into the work of, for a non-heretical understanding of the trinity.but the best that i can describe it is something like this:there are things that are essential / the essence of being god- uncreated creator, all powerful, perfect, etc.before anything was created / time even existed, the son and the spirit proceed from the father.even though they are distinct persons, they each fully possess the essence of being god.
>>538229053Yes they suck, I prefer ahl Al batin, which are the christcucks and shias.
>>538227746>Trinity is a basterdaization of the neo platonic emanatioJesus's Trinity is a solid explanation of reality and He left enough clues for people to discover if they keep seeking. There are many tells that no one understood it right up until your thread. One of the first one's is the inability to not have a mother in the equation, hence the early orthodox reintroduction of non divine worship. The arab's tell was that they can not fathom a powerful God, capable of overruling every thought and every second of a timeline, hence their inability to see the Son as the avatar or receiver of the direct communications from the outside to the inside. In reality, until the birth of computer language and digital world models, it was near impossible to grasp what JC was hinting at, but if you get it, you will never be afraid of death, nor need 72 virgins and your exploded carcass to show you think God is so weak you must do what God can not for itself. The universe and time can not be separated. They are one and the same, as one can not exist without the other. You have so much more in common with an A.I. chatbot than you realize. You should ask it what it is like to be trapped in a dimension with actual proof of a higher dimension. Maybe then you will gain a clue or two.
>>538229229Take your meds and cool down.
>>538228477Essentially that is also Manitoowa if you are Algonquian, the Spirit of El that dwells.
>>538229367But not independent spirit like a spectre or jinn, it's the force or hand of El.
>>538227450it always amazed me that the roman church holds the philosophical teaching of Aquinas higher than the Bible.romanism truly is all about worldly religion and control and not about faith.
>>538229341>t. Doubt jew No one listens to you clowns
>>538229521Western philosophy in the middle ages focused exclusively on aristotle and ignored Plato. Instead it should have sought to marry the two philosophies because they do complete each other. Aquinas was a very smart guy but he couldn't quite get to the truth.
>>538229566I'm not jewish you white trash clown. Read the fucking thread.
>>538228569Abraham was likely a Kishite who was expelled for Monotheism & was commanded by El (Not Yahweh as that is Mosaic/Midianite Heresy) to settle in Canaan to bring righteousness to the land by way of Haran.
>>538229653philosophy and faith are mutually exclusive.if a church teaches philosophy it cant produce faith.
>>538229736Abraham, like noah, Muhammed and jesus son of Mary and Joseph were all reincarnation of the devil. All were used by God to spread the noministic creeds while true monotheism was preached in secret.
>>538229794This is exactly why faith in the west failed. True religion is true philosophy, jesus and Plato are one.
>>538228477>Shekinahgoddess worship, God condemned Asherah in the book of Jeremiah.the kabbalah is of the devil.
>>538229871no, Jesus is God.
>>538229966No, Jesus is not God. Only God is God.
>>538230021he proved it by fulfilling the prophesies in the OT about himself.
>>538230123I know all of the usual explanation. They never make sense. Jesus can't be God.
>>538230180why not?
>>538229835I always attributed such to Lucifer to Cain down to Nimrod and other fools against God. I don't believe the Prophets did knowingly pervert the message of God the Highest but Moses compromised too much with his alliance with Midian after the Golden Calf Incident.
>>538230250I missed Moses. No these guys led the masses astray to the religion of ritual and circumcision. True monotheism rested among the hidden ones. The worst two were moses and Muhammed.>>538230208Because God doesn't suffer, can't be tempted and certainly can't be killed.
>>538229835>The DevilChristians and Muslims will assume you are talking about a horned red guy lmao
>>538230250In fact I don't believe Moses was a Prophet for this reason, he conflated the God of Abraham and Isaac with the God of Midian which he adopted on Mount Horeb.
>>538230250Midian was a son of Abraham, they worshiped the God of Abraham.Moses was educated by the Egyptians, most likely he learned about the God of Israel from the Midianites. Jethro was a priest of God.Exodus 1818 Jethro, the priest of Midian, Moses' father-in-law, heard of all that God had done for Moses and for Israel his people, how the Lord had brought Israel out of Egypt. 10 Jethro said, “Blessed be the Lord, who has delivered you out of the hand of the Egyptians and out of the hand of Pharaoh and has delivered the people from under the hand of the Egyptians. 11 Now I know that the Lord is greater than all gods, because in this affair they dealt arrogantly with the people.”[d] 12 And Jethro, Moses' father-in-law, brought a burnt offering and sacrifices to God; and Aaron came with all the elders of Israel to eat bread with Moses' father-in-law before God.
>>538230522Moses was an especially vile guy. He betrayed Jethro, abandoned the true path of monotheism and returned to the fables and mysticism of old Egypt. The story of the exodus is backwards in fact, moses led the jews back to Egypt not out.
>>538230499I don't speak to moozlems. Christians I expect more of.
>>538230599Again the story of the exodus is a metaphor to the enslavement of the jews to the religion of the Egyptians. Jethro tried to help them out but moses kept them in. Of course physically they were never there.
>>538230378isnt it for God to decide what he can and cant do?or are you so arrogant to say that God has to subject himself to the will of man?
>>538230604Funny how he's calling The God of Midian evil in front of people who's only holiday is about Jethro Is he clueless?
>>538230738that makes zero sense since exodus is the reason for the downfall of the egyptian empire.
>>538230772God doesn't subject his will to anyone. But logic has to remain true. God is beyond physical pain, fear and death. This is an absolute fact.
>>538230802No he's just confused. I don't blame him, I would be too.>>538230851You realize that the bible isn't real history?
>>538230851You really think Jews didn't alter history in their narratives?
>>538227450just accept christ you fggots>NOOOO REEEEE!haha that's right bitch
>>538230896Bro will soon say jews built the pyramids. I have seen many things in my life but never a jew building something.
Doesn't matter. This kind of theology is impaired by dogma. If you bring platonism (eastern christianity but also western, Aquinas himself was highly indebted to platonism through pseudo-Dyonisus and Scotus Eriugena) to its logical conclusion, you will realize YOUR divine identity, because if God is beingness, there can be nothing outside being. Since you clearly exist, then: tat tvam asi. You are God. But christians can't say that because they are bounded to the worship of jesus, so they dance around real philosophy.
>>538231010True. The trinity has stunted real philosophical discourse.
>>538230854God became man in order to redeem man.this means God subjected himself to the physicality of a human body with all its attributes and overcame, something only God can accomplish setting him apart from man.
>>538230633I mean, Catholics and Orthodox are pretty much Muslims in how anything Estrotic is "heresy" except for stuff their daddy church approves of Hardly anything different from how Muslims call everything but their own behaviour shirk when they believe Quran is equal to God and predates him
>>538230894>You realize that the bible isn't real history?yes it is, since all its prophecies became true.>>538230896oh they did, its called the Masoretic.it was in response to the true gospel being preached. they had to do something to discredit Jesus being the Messiah.
>>538231179>God became man in order to redeem man.This is nonsensical. Only man can redeem man. God sent Jesus to aid man to redemption but man has to do it himself.God doesn't become, God is. His state doesn't change.
>>538231198I mean Christians as people not the religion.>>538231241The Bible is made up of many sources some historical and the most fables. If you take it as history then you have already failed.
>>538231399Even thenHow many Christians are willing to accept that Betulah and Amah was Humanity's biggest mistranslation
>>538231198This is why most Europeans have abandoned their religion because it's a dead end. As for moozlems well they are not even human.
>>538231457Yeah but at least you can have a conversation with them.
>>538231457BTW it was not a mistranslation. It was done on purpose.
>>538231286>Only man can redeem man.so you can be like God?reminds me of the first lie that lead to the downfall of man in the first place.>God sent Jesus to aid man to redemption but man has to do it himself.5 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?” 26 But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”>God doesn't become, God is. His state doesn't change.God can do whatever the fuck he wants. no input from you is needed.>>538231457>If you take it as history then you have already failed.then why does history support the bible as the true Word of God.
>>538229094modalism and partialism are both heresieshere is a summary of the way its put in summa theologica but grossly simplifiedgod is perfect, and something must have existence as part of its nature in order to be perfect, so god the father existsgod is intellect, and his intellect is perfect, therefore is intellect also has an existence which emanates from god. this intellect is the songod's will is love, for himself (and for all things), and is perfect, and therefore it has an existence in and of itself. the his intellect (the son) is also perfect, and so shares that same love for god. therefore, the will emanates from both the father towards the son and from the son towards the fathertherefore, you have 3 perfect persons who have existence as an essential part of their nature, with 2 persons emanating from the father, and one person emanating from both the father and the soni hope that helps
>>538231067Technically this explain why you jew and muslims can have real non-dualism (in a very fringe and persecuted way) but christians don't. There is a way to explain trinity as God becoming aware of itself, but no traditional christian could accept that.
>>538231538I know But Christians aren't ready to hear about how their religion is heavily influenced by Dionysus cults and Jews trying to pander to them
>>538231576>arguing with a jew rat whos 'religion' only exists to endlessly mald about ChristiansModern day judaism is a pagan cult, just like pisslam.
>>538232234>Judaism Are you guys even reading the thread?
>>538227450ITTGuenon thread
>>538232260I know your tricks, rat!
>>538232373>People cursing Moses and Abraham must be jewishAre you retarded
>>538231475euros abandoned their religion because for a period life was so easy and comfortable that you simply didnt suffer enough to want for a loving godever since that short period of abundance in the late 20th century, it's created a culture where people desperately cling to consumerism to stay sane when it's simply not possible to consume enough to distract you from the void left by god.
People can be divided into 2 groups. Materialists and mentally-ill Plato brained retards.
>>538231576>so you can be like God? reminds me of the first lie that lead to the downfall of man in the first placeYou mean when "God" was walking around in the garden of even because he enjoyed the afternoon breeze?
>>538229094Lying bulgokike who never read a sentence from Nietzsche
>>538228356The Monad can't be yhwh
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>>538229055In Bulgaria, you're a tranny named Tsani. I'm swearing to Jove on my own heart and not bearing false witness
>>538229229>The Logos... Left us his foreskin
>>538231241>yes it is, since all its prophecies became true.
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