Months...weird way of saying forever

>>538270365
well at any time putin could just stop the war tbqwu m80

>>538270742
That would prevent further refinery damage, yes. But it wouldn't fix the already broken ones.
Some repairs are expected to be minimum 2 years

>>538270365
just buy some used cheap electric car, electricity costs nothing in russia.. with electric car you could drive for free (almost for free) in russia

yeah gas was also cheap but you see how easy is to create this crisis, this will never happen with electricity

hope you russians are making notes right now

>>538270365
They don't get the fact that's where European fuel comes from. Any euros got a pump count of gas stations running right now? Lots of 000s on the pumps is the dead hive away

>>538270846
Since oil has been so cheap and abundant, they haven't bothered to create almost any electric charging infrastructure and the country is massive.
Most people also live in commie block houses, not in private houses where they could plug into their home electricity outlet overnight.

>>538270365
Why doesn't Putin just stop the war, then? Surely putting his people through this just so he can satisfy his megalomaniac imperialist ambitions isn't worth it, is it?

>>538271041
After 20 years of claiming RUSSIA STRONK, he doesn't want to look like a liar and a loser.

>>538271077
He could spin whatever narrative he wants claiming this pull out would actually constitute a victory. There's no free press in Russia. He controls all information outlets. Nobody would stick a mic in his face and press him about it.

>>538271041
He can't. He has painted himself into a corner. Subjectively he can't stop because a key part of his identity is that he never gives up. Objectively he can't stop because a lot of other powerful people won't allow him to do it. So they will grind away for as long as it takes to get the entirety of Donbas under control.

These are the possibilities in my opinion:
1. Russia in the end gains Donbas after enormous attrition. How long this takes is anyone's guess. Russians will say two weeks, two weeks in six months, two weeks in a year. More realistically two, three years, but Russia would probably have to give up ambitions in some other areas and focus on that task.
2. Ukraine hands over the remaining parts of Donbas. But Ukraine has to be desperate to do it because they can't trust guarantees Russia won't attack it again from the areas they hand over.
3. Russia as a country collapses and the war ends because of that.

I think war continues until Kramatorsk or Sloviansk falls. Then Ukraine agrees to hand over the other one in exchange for peace and guarantees.

>>538270624
They'll probably start lowering the quaility and outright diluting . Once every car made after 2005 throws it's engine out, the problem will be solved.

>>538270365
>muh russia
Fuck off already

>>538272416
you can always tell when someone "stays informed" by informing themselves with globohomo's latest perspective
we all know #3 is globohomo's goal, but Putin was smarter than this and began buying gold hand over fist since 2008, which is why they have shrugged off all attempts at sanctioning them.
we've gone from "its not a proxy war, how could you say this" to "ok yeah its a proxy war, so what?" "what's even wrong with that, since russia bad"
Nato/EU does not have the BALLS to attack Russia directly
I'm surprised Russia has not started bombing the places that are supplying hohols with drones & drone parts, but then again nobody in the world seems to want to accept the facts about this situation that it is indeed 20+ years of globohomo doing whatever they can to snub Russia and attack Russia without openly attacking them

>>538271041
>megalomaniac imperialist ambitions
The war is to deal with the existential threat of NATO expansion into Ukraine. If Putin weren't in charge, whoever had his spot would be prosecuting the same war. Gas prices being high doesn't matter, Russia cannot abandon the war and expect to survive.

>>538270365
Things will only get worse for them until putler bends the knee.

>>538270365
we are watching modern warfare play out in this war
its fascinating
Its like its hit a new stage just in the last month with Ukraine developing long range drone options and Russia going full autonomous

The attrition on both sides is going to escalate massively now
Russia has been focused on getting use out if its old stockpiles, they have shitloads they can now use

If this doesnt stop soon, both sides are going to start targeting interior command structures, then its proper gloves off time

>>538272416
#3 is looking more and more likely every day.

>>538274651
>The war is to deal with the existential threat of NATO expansion into Ukraine.
Has NATO ever attacked Russia? It's a defensive alliance. If Putin wanted to ally with Europe, he shouldn't have corrupted Moldova, Transnistria, Ukraine, Belarus, and waged hybrid warfare to undermine Europe's sovereignty, trained terrorists to destroy our infrastructure, to hack + steal + destroy our digital infrastructure, and to ultimately attempt to subjugate us under Russia's boot, as Russia has done in the past for hundreds of years. He's only mad about NATO, because it extends a nuclear protection umbrella to European countries, meaning it severely limits his imperialist ambitions.
>If Putin weren't in charge, whoever had his spot would be prosecuting the same war.
No, because Putin's motivation for this war is Russian nationalism. It's an expansionist ideology that sees Russia as the rightful superpower on the world stage and who has a moral right to rule over Europe, and who casts the US as the devil who must be eradicated. It's very clear in the writings of Dugin, who didn't really come up with anything original, but instead regurgitated ideas propagated by Russian fascists and marxists. Have somebody in Putin's place who doesn't subscribe to that ideology and instead wants to have a good and equal relationship with Europe, and this war wouldn't happen.
>Russia cannot abandon the war and expect to survive.
Russia had economic ties with Europe. Instead of pursuing an amenable path of equals and partners, they preferred to attempt to conquer and subjugate. Poland gets along with countries like Germany or Ukraine after all the shit they pulled historically for fucks sake, so you can't blame us for a lack of willingness to build alliances and to cooperate.

>>538275700
>Have somebody in Putin's place who doesn't subscribe to that ideology and instead wants to have a good and equal relationship with Europe, and this war wouldn't happen.
The problem is that russian society would not let that happen. Putin is just a byproduct of the state of their society. Russia has always been, since imperial times, a feudal society. The entire russian society would need to be remade from ground up, to get rid of the centuries of corruption, nihilism, nepotism, incompetence. Only once russians start acting like human beings can we truly have peace with them.

>>538275700
>after all the shit they pulled historically for fucks sake
If Pilsudski didn't die, history would have turned out differently. He was well liked by the Nazis for hating communism.

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>>538270624
weird way of saying most of russias non-service economy will keel over and die and theres imminent threat of starvation this winter.

>>538277614
We're already seeing a return to the 90's. You bet that girl found alternate ways to pay for her gasoline.