shit would be crazy in close combat action
>>538287660>Mid range rifle >Close quater ....
>>538287871that is just embarrassing
>>538287660Surplus machine guns are very rare here. If they were ever fully automatic we can't import them without destroying the barrel and receiver, then rebuilding them as semi-automatics. It used to be worth it when the surplus was cheap but now it makes such firearms prohibitively expensive.
>>538287660>Why dont hood niggas or mass shooters in the US use gun related?Same reason formula one cars don't get the bulk of the speeding tickets. They aren't the most common.
>>538287660>shit would be crazy in close combat actionPIC RELATEDwhats the difference?
>>538287660>Why dont hood niggasThey have full auto glocks with high cap magazines. Faster or equivalent rate of fire, no readily available, no need for the stock just spray the hood. They buy their guns and ammo a steep discount on the street. No need for background checks or paperwork - that's only for law abiding citizens.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9_RjrYaM-l8
theres videos of niggers open firing automatics on block parties up a street full of row homes and only hitting 2 or 3 people. whats the point of any of these posts
Is that a ppsh?
>>538287871>rifle>>538288082>machine gunlol wtf? /k/ranny sisters, get in here and educate these chuds
>>538289804>Is that a ppsh?yes
>>538289653not much really.
>>538287660Where am I supposed to get one
>>538287660they use tec 9s, glocks with switches, and mac 10sppsh would require rewelding, getting 7.62 tok and they're too big for nigs to stuff in their pants.
>>538289837>tf>tp
>>538288082Are there any tommy guns still circulating over there? Are they legal?
Romanian here : Americans can thank us for the Draco and how effective it was at murdering niggers by other niggersNo need to thank us. We are doing our best
You need to be 18 to post here FAGGOT.
Do you think the USA has tons of Soviet submachine guns and ammunition just lying around?
>>538290031Pre 86 machineguns exist but they are extremely expensive. Last I checked a Thompson was $30,000-$40,000 USD You can get a semi auto only reproduction for much cheaper.
>>538287660>1PBTID KYS
>>538289837It's a legal classification, not a technical one. Anything that was ever capable of automatic fire is a machine gun >>538290031If they were registered with the ATF before they closed the machine gun registry then they are legal and can be transfered between private parties, but they're very expensive
>>538290031It's a collector's item that would cost you tens of thousands of dollars.
>>538290115I got an AES-10B for $500, thank you it's a neat gun
>>538287660Have you priced 7.62x25 recently?
>>538290328Happy to help. Men im quite proud of my country. Apart from Draco we also manage to somehow jew the jews at their own game Next mission : exterminate India
>>538289804Papasha 41. They can even chop the stock and barrel and use a 71-round drum mag. Since they love the Draco so much.
>>538290031They are legal assuming they were registered before the crackdown on machineguns about 30-40 years ago. To buy an automatic Tommy is pretty expensive. Some states (California) have draconian laws and would confiscate a legally owned machinegun regardless, and while there is a chance you could win a case against the state, they'd destroy the weapon and to seek damages would cost you significantly more than you'd get.
>>538287871it's an SMG>>538287660I've seen some vids with hood niggers using krinks/dracos and AR pistols and the one tranny used a PCC. Anything actual full auto needs to have been converted or it's at least $10,000 and no one is paying that. most niggers also use handguns because you can ccw
>>538290031>Are there any tommy guns still circulating over there? Are they legal?yes, and yes but they're like $100,000.00
>>538289653- barrel length - recoil profile - ascetic
>>538287660there are cheaper SMG alternatives.
>>538287660A glock with a switch has more firepower and the same capacity or more, a hell of a lot more reliable than these 80 year old guns with thousands of rounds through them too.
>>538290521I feel like that thing might get hot
>>538289925Nigga this isnt 1995. Tec9s? Mac10s? Sheeeit Niggas just use 9mm garbage guns.
>>538287660Because it most likely would be a pre 86 thing and thus worth 10k or so since it isnt an NFA class 3 item. Meaning its the only realistic way to own something full auto in the US legally, hence the high prices.
>>538290247Yeah, the most expensive I have seen was a pre 86 Beretta 93r at almost 300k in the US. They are about 10-20k here. It is rare to see them on auctions though because the boomers who have them do the usual> I know what it is worth thing
>>538291841I always loved the look of the 93R. Its too bad I will never own one. I'm planning on a Beretta 92 Inox when I move away from Cucknada.
>>538289879>>538287660Well, that’s difficult to get ammunition for those.
>>538287660The future of urban civilian conflict are scout rifles
>>538287660A glock with a temu switch does the same thing and doesn't cost 10,000+ bucks
>>538287660Actual machine guns are very very expensive. Niggers throw giggle switches onto glocks n shiet though.
>>538291960>I always loved the look of the 93R. Its too bad I will never own one. I'm planning on a Beretta 92 Inox when I move away from Cucknada.I will buy one when some boomer offers it but its super rare. Demand isnt as ig here though, it is mainly just 100 the same guys buying and selling things at the public auctions here I have noticed. Most people here just have the standard army rifle, that's it. American firearm collectors have much larger collections at the exteme end than Swiss ones even though the Swiss market has much more collectible firearms than the US market has. Weird how that goes.
>>538287871just cut the barrel off
>>538287660Thats a 4,000 Dollar gun in the Freedom States. PPSH is a mighty fine weapon there anon
>>538290836Nigga my brother has an Old style Al Capone tommy gun he traded two revolvers for stop lying faggot
>>538292394I am pretty sure it would zap the ballistic performance of the 7.62 tok by a lot, collectors value not included>>538292417> 4000Less than I imagined, would have thought 10k. I have seen literal STENs at 10k in the US.
>>538292470There is a big difference between a modern Kahr remake and a pre 86 fully auto Auto Ordnance.
>>538287660ask yty that
>>538291991>Well, that’s difficult to get ammunition for those.Nobody has as good an ammunition market as the US has. You can find every shit you want if you look online, pricing is very good too. I am sure you can find 7.62 Tokarev if you look. The reason most people here still continue to focus on the established cartridges is that everything that is midly unusual must be purchased from abroad by your gunshop. It is a huge hassle so many dont ever bother.
>>538289837>/k/ educating "chuds" Jewish Redditors are chickenshit posers at everything they try, including "firearm enthusiasm"
>>538292777Oh, maybe that’s the same ammo as the pistol. I’ve seen that. There are different rules for every state, county, city. I can’t get anything online but the manufacturers can’t keep track and often ask customers to check local laws. Everything got rare when O’bama bought it all up for Trump.
>>538292504You got to get the PPSH in parts think I seen the lower around 1,800 and the upper around 2-3k
>>538287660Actually those are the reason our gun laws exist at all anon.
>>538293294It is the same round.Quintessentially 7.62 Tokarev is quite similar to your .30 Carbine to give you an idea
Same reason nobody does drive-bys in duesenberg ssjs: if you can actually afford one violent crime is something you outsource, not personally commit.
>>538293433.30 carbine has about twice the kinetic energy of 7.62x25, it's more like .357 Magnum. Closest thing to 7.62x25 is probably .357 SIG
>>538294110I have never shot anything .357 SIG, they are not available here or anywhere in Europe almost.
>>538294110.30 carbine is a very under rated round. I took a deer with one @ approx 75m over a decade ago with soft point ammo.
>>538293433That’s unicorn shit too. Only a .30 carbine uses .30 carbine ammo. I have a sizing die for M1c to convert 5.56 to nagant revolver casings. Dummies buy Walmart trash, hence their low success rate.
>>538289653Better control because it has a stock, if you put this shit in full auto it's gonna go all over the place even with 2 hands on it.
>>538294225Only have seen it when it comes to M1 Carbines and AMT Automags. The latter are pretty awful but I heard good about the former. They were used by many European police forces post WW2 where they were sent as military aid. They were eventually replaced with a mix of MP5s and assault / batte rifles depending on the position.>>538294284Nah, the AMT Automag has a version in .30 Carbine too. IIRC it was the III
>>538294284>I have a sizing die for M1c to convert 5.56 to nagant revolver casings. Dummies buy Walmart trash, hence their low success rate.That is quite clever though, good not to waste casings especially since they should last longer in a revolver. You can get a lot out of them that way.
>>538287871the ppsh doesnt jam though, jamboybut the tt round is kinda subpar when compared to modern calibers in terms of velocity and penetrationupclose though, you can yeet 1000 rnds/min and empty a drum mag pretty quick, so against unarmoured targets your only real hindrance is portability / concealabilitybut for a WROL situation, itd make a good ambush weapon under like 100 yrds>>538289653>jams after 5 rounds or 2 magsyou really cant predict a shitty glock>using a suppressorhope your loads are proper, more chances to jam/failure to feed etc.>>538294384you can get buttstocks for glocks, but at that point you might as well get a more dedicated platform / smg in 9mm that wont fucking explode in your palms as much
>>538291595True, it's all glock switches and modified poorfag ARs but in terms of nigs blasting each other with full auto SMGs, it's tec9 and mac10.
>>538287660>he thinks the CIA is gonna hand out Russian guns to people in the USUnless they want to convince people Russia is responsible, or want to ban a specific Russan platform like AKM, there's no reason to do that.
>>538294534we need a ppsh modernization kit with rerifiling the barrel to accomodate different calibers, and a suitable drum mag swaphopefully all of this and it still retains its high fire rate and jamboy potential
>>538294467If you can't get a collapsible stock you basically have a gun 80% as big as an SMG that performs about 80% as well. Those stocks are finicky they don't do the same job as a real one.
>>538289804heck of a shotgun>>538294394Ruger made the Blackhawk in 30 carbine as well for hunting.
>>538294222You're not missing out on much. It's not very popular here either. Just a necked down .40S&W which saw wider adoption before everyone switched to 9mm>>538294225Yet fuddlore boomers will still tell stories about the bullets bouncing off heavy winter coats
>>538294695There's also a 1911 in .30 carbine if I remember correctly.
>>538294624Wouldn't it be easier to continue producing the ammo? I think the PPSH takes 7.62x25 or something weird.A 9mm version would also work, but producing a modern PPSH would be a PITA with>muh no full auto reeeeeelegislations.
>>538294394Israel had a bunch of surplus .30 carbine we gave them and even designed a PDW that used it
>>538294716You can kill a deer with a .22LR or .32 ACPAnd to anyone that doesn't believe me feel free to stand still so I can hit you in the chest with a .22 short rifle to test the stopping power of bullets
Machining a grease gun would be cheaper and easier. They were designed to be cooked up with minimal gear in WW2.
>>538294881They made a new gun just to use .30 carbine because it was for free? Ahahahaha the memes write themselves.
>>538294695True, but we dont have these here. Israelis also used .30 Carbine extensively>>538294780AMT Automag III>>538294716If it would be good to the point it would be interesting it would get a foothold sooner or later. When it comes to unusual rounds I would be excited for .30 Super Carry>>538294881This yes>>538294898Stopping power doesnt equate to deadliness. For hunting I would still prefer something larger both for self-protection and humanitarian reasons.
>>538294898I would never underestimate a .22 but shot placement is crucial
>>538294716I loved mine I wish I still had it. It was a great close range "brush gun". I was shocked because it dropped him right where he was standing. I've had a deer run about 100m after a lung shot with a .303 British SP. From what I heard that fudd lore was from korea with the select fire version of the M1 Carbine. Poorly trained guys were spraying on auto and just missing.
>>538294962Its basically just a furniture and stock, if that is all you need to refurbish a large number of guns it can be a good deal for a country. America has always been supplying tons of arms to their allies. South American countries like Colombia have been given tons of old M16A2 from America for example, Israel too. They are giving tons of these to Ukraine too, same with M9s. Kind of hate the latter part, the M9s were great guns and now these retards will ruin them.
>>538295093I assume that boomers usually refer to outlier cases where you had short barrels, weak loads, thick coats and a long distance all combined to yield these outcomes.
More people die in Europe because of heat than our gun homicides. Pic related: AR-15 and glacier. Two things you will never see in person. Why even live.
>>538295093I've seen bears drop from the first 9mm round out of a cop's gun and I've seen people eat 5+ 9mm bullets and still stand.It's usually because men get hit in the chest and bears have huge heads so they get hit in the head one tiny piece of metal scrambling your brains is enough.
>>538290836Its roughly in the ballpark of 30k, the 100k are the prototypes chambered in 30-06. The fact its 30-06 and a prototype is why they cost a 100k
>>538295128From what I hear all our Inglis 9mm Hipowers went to Ukraine. Probably for the best because my stupid government tends to cut up/destroy our surplus like the FNC1 rifles. Absolute travesty.
>>538287660I think as a newb to guns, this gun is top 5 coolest guns ever made. Unmistakable when you hear it and see it, I think that’s why. It stands out and actually LOOKS cool. SOUNDS cool. The stock feels good, it sits well when held, etc. Top 5 gun OAT
>>538295128I was thinking this, but it doesn't resemble anything I know. But then again I used to skip Forgotten Weapons videos about Israeli guns because I'm not interested in kike shit. Never liked the Uzi or Desert Eagle either.
>>538292542>ask whiteieydo it yourself ivan
>>538295206Austrians, Swiss, Czechs, Norwegians and Finns all have relatively easy access to guns, not too different from America. It is harder in Germany but even there you can buy an AR. The only countries where the law is really cucked in the West are Australia, NZ and UK. And event here you can still get bolt actions and shotguns I think. America simply has the culture that more people are into it>>538295264The Ukrainians are total retards, they destroyed German tanks by driving them into minefields so you can imagine to what these guns have to look forward to. Imho old military guns should always be stored and gradually sold off to collectors. I am sick of leftists who support wars to later then point to the military hardware we all ultimately paid for to then use this as a justification why we need to take these people in as migrants >>538295402Few people know this but especially since the 1970s or so most things are just rehashes of other stuff. SA80 for example is just a bullpup AR18. Genuine novel concepts such as the AA-12 are rare af.
>>538287660is that a FAMAS? I think the reason is cost-performance. Why spend $3,000 on one gun when you could buy 5 pieces of shit that will still kill fine for the same price?
>>538295347Imagine magdumping 88 of them at the same time
>>538295347They take apart pretty easily too. In our combat outpost in Afghanistan we had two captures from the taliban. One was a chinese and another a russian PPSH41. Both with the smaller stick mags.We also captured a fucked up pistol made out of a chopped down Martini Henry.
>>538295347It was genuinely one of the best SMGs of WW2. Some people keep yapping about the Finish, Itslian and Hungarian ones but best case scenario they're all in the same tier and sidegrades from each other.
>>538294808cause the tt tokarev round has limitations to modernization afaik whereas other calibers have already superceded these limitations in generalpersonally, i like 10mm auto cause you can kill polar bears with it and other large mammals in the subarctic / boreal as a PDW or handgunmaybe im wrong>>538295631is that inside an aircraft???lmao that shit wuld have to be right above the ground where troops are to be effective
>>538295599One of the worst ones was a police roundup near my hometown. I forget the term for it but you can turn in weapons that are illegal and not face consequences. It netted several Thompson machineguns that widows of WW2 veterans had dropped off. They were all melted down sadly. Disgraceful waste of history.
>>538295638Fucking Christ you lost to people with PPSh's and single shot pistols? And you got 60k soldiers of the Northern Alliance killed too hahahahahaahaha>some NATO/ANA fag definitely got killed by a cut down Martini HenryAhahahahahaahah thanks for this story
>>538295872Women again
>>538287660OP in red orchestra 2.
Imagine going to Afghanistan and getting slimed by a goat fucker with a 1870 rifle handed down from his great great grandfather.
>>538295662FNAB-43 is neat since it fired from a closed bolt, too expensive to manufacture though
>>538296194Enlisted player? Man, the SMG's of the Axis sucked dick it really pissed me off
>>538295942Most of the casualties were from them hiding IED's in the ground. They actually can't shoot very well despite having SVD's in our AO
>>538296345How did ANA lose 60k people when the Taliban only lost 50k? Did you guys throw the Afghani soldiers in the meat grinder or what? The casualties between NATO/ANA seem kinda disproportionate, I know there were more of them but not by that much.
>>538296047Dont know about 1870 but the Lee-Enfields and Nagants are still deadly and due to the fact that they were being made for longer distances in the right scenario it could be an issue for AR-users in a war against these countries. Those rounds pack a hard punch
>>538296471I was NATO OMLT for two tours in Kandahar. It was standard doctrine to keep at least two of them in front of us on dismounted patrols for trip wires or pressure plates.
>>538292470>no I have a semi auto reproyou sound like a retarded nigger. a full auto tommy gun costs more than a car, retard>>538295449>ivanxe is clearly polish>>538292542>memeflagjeetalso>only 159 mass shooters in 45 yearsthat's fewer than 3 per year. sounds like kikes lied about mass shooters
>>538296601Well this explains quite a little bit lmao. You got lucky you didn't catch the FPV drone era see your Israeli allies are not doing as well in Lebanon since IED's now can fly and have up to 200km fiber optic cables that can't be jammed.Sandniggers are having a blast with flying IED's lol don't blame them.
>>538296513I've seen an ISIS tribal leader execute a guy with a Nagant by putting the barrel in his mouth. Pretty gnarly, they're still used by tribals they probably keep them as family heritage.
>>538296950The Swiss equivalent is the K31
>>538296513The most common weapons in kandahar city for example were AK's with the stock chopped off and hand grenades. They would conceal them and try to do hit and run attacks with motorcycles.In the countryside surrounding the city they heavily favored PKM and SVD rifles (7.62x54). As well as engaging at +600m and then running.The funniest one I seen is we eventually made it up to the point they were firing at us from and it was just 3 "farmers" pretending nothing happenned. It was pretty common for them to make quick caches to ditch their weapons in a hurry after firing at us (which is why gunshot residue tests were so important).
>>538292542>adjust stats to exclude gang violence and mass shootings with less than 4 deathslmao
>>538297003Those are pretty popular here. One of my gun buddies has one and I'm amazed at the quality of the machining in them. That straight pull is a pretty fast action for a bolt rifle.
>>538297139What happened to those farmers, may I ask?
>>538287660Usually only avalible in semi auto. Also 7.62x25 is obscenely expensive.
>>538295631ADD THIS TO WAR THUNDER NOWGIVE THE SNAIL THE SEKRIT DOCUMENTS I WANT TO STRAFE MOTHER FUCKERS
>>538297003I'm familiar with that bad boy with the beer keg bolt.
>>538297504Open tops would be fucked lmao
>>538287660Hard to get and very expensive.Hood niggers just use a glock with a shitty giggle switch on it. This is how they shoot 12 people and kill none.
>>538289653ppsh shoots very nicely, minimal recoil, you can dump the entire drum at the same target without having to do much to keep the gun stable
>>538290264>Anything that was ever capable of automatic fire is a machine gunisn't it anything open bolt or automatic fire? yeah, they are that retarded
>>538298554Open bolt is considered a machine gun even if it's semi-automatic since it's easy to convert. Fortunately the same logic doesn't apply to Glocks or ARs
>>538291595They like AR pistols too but for people who don't mind flaunting glock switches at the ATF they don't use arm braces because that's not gangsta
>>538287660The PPSH 41 is a fine submachine gun but it suffers from some limitations. For one the drums are annoying to deal with as a lot were hand fitted to the guns which make drum capatibility a pain. Usually you need to hand fit the drums to specific guns in order for them to work correctly. When firing the weapon with the drum attached it can be awkward while firing as you either need to hold the drum or right behind the drum. Stick mags on the other hand seem to always be reliable and ive rarely if ever have issues with them. The drums, especially the older ones can have feeding issues due to the spring inside. If you run the gun with just stick mags and surplus ammunition they run great, im able to shoot effective bursts quite accurately at 50m. They usually like surplus ammo the best, I got a nasty stuck casing in one using S&B 7.62x25. As for PPSH 41 in America theres a few basic variation, original guns and kit built guns. Original ones I rarely, if ever have problems, ive used and maintained Russian, Chinese and North Korean guns that were brought back from either Korea or the Vietnam war that ran 100%. As for kit guns it really depends on who built it as ive seen great rewelds and ive seen horribly out of spec guns. The average burger will never see one outside of a store, firing range or museum nor will they ever be able to afford one as theyre quite cost prohibited. Overall its definitely one of my favorite ww2 submachineguns, if I had to rate the top 3 subguns of the war id say MP40, Owen and the PPSH 41. >T. Gunfag who works with machineguns
>>538294394I did not know it maintained popularity over there. Interesting.
>>538287660Because they are fake and gay. That gun you posted could actually kill people OP. Not like that Mickey Mouse clown toy with flashing lights Tarrant ran around larping with.
Why hasn't anyone used mortars like in the Turner Diaries? They're OP
